Comments by "Kim O\x27Brien" (@kimobrien.) on "The Rubin Report" channel.

  1. How about the separation of private business and religion? Government and business already work together. That's how the boss parties get their campaign funding.
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  2. We're talking bakeries not going to work near coke ovens. Different subject.
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  3. Masterpiece cakeshop is part of a broader assault on religious freedom being conducted by anti abortion, anti contraception, anti in vitro fertilization christian groups. In this case a boss pretends to be a worker. The idea being not to take on anything directly so much as to file court cases and proceed by punching holes in previous law to the achieve the desired political result. The women's movement has basically all but lost Roe v Wade by a combination of terrorism, clinic blockade tactics, legal maneuvering. The bankrupt direction of the leaders of the women's movement into the Democratic Party and trying to control the appointment of Supreme Court Justices has made this possible.
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  4. Forcing the shutdown of the Governor Lester Maddox D-GA Cafeteria did not result in the KKK forcing Bleck dry cleaners having to clean KKK robes. The 'free market' had about 100 years to fix the whites only Jim Crow separate but equal laws. KKK is not a protected class for purpose of public accommodation law nor is there a danger coming from reverse racism or reverse Christian bigotry. Unless you talking about the Masterpiece Cakeshop or Hobby Lobby.
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  5. Masterpiece cakeshop was given the option of having another worker without his religious objections or having a contractor make the same sex cakes. Jack Phillips as owner refused on principle. One might ask would he also not make a cake for a Jewish, Islamic, or Agnostic couple? Are those weddings sanctioned by his religious beliefs? The other question is can a for profit business just go ahead and make any decisions they want based upon religion? Should for profit companies be allowed to hire, fire, and promote based upon religious belief?
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  6.  legalblond  Actually that's all wrong. Workers fighting together is the way to socialism. Class struggle becomes easier and more effective when we all fight together across all lines that the capitalist would use to divide us.
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  7. Look once you go beyond a being a single proprietor and incorporate than your in the same category as some of the biggest business' in the world. Also until recently society and the government did not recognize same sex marriage and in some states such relationships were illegal. At best the compromise would require him to facilitate the making of same sex marriage cakes. Hardly the case of putting a gun to his head and telling him make a cake or elses. Setting up a corporation requires you to abide by corporate law in return for the advantages one receives by incorporation. I understand why corporations would want to influence politics and some might want to be religion specific but this smacks of someone wanting his cake and being able eat it to.
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  8. The idea of operating a whites only business based upon religious belief was rejected long ago. How is that different for a business where your religion says you don't have to serve same sex weddings? From what I've read the guy in Oregon deserves a break because it seems that a Democratic Party politician wanted to make his career on crushing a family only business. He was never offered a compromise and the aggrieved asked only for $400 dollars while they were awarded $135,000. His law firm First Liberty seems to be genuinely concerned with religious liberty not forcing religion down everyone else's throat like the Alliance Defending Freedom.
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  9. I do understand the difference and so did the State of Colorado when they offered Masterpiece Cakeshop the option of having an employee without Jack Phillips views make the cakes or having an outside contractor do them. Phillips refused on principle and has lost every appeal since.
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  10. The problem with Englishmen and Canadians is you want to pretend that you live in a democracy or republic not a limited monarchy. We have a government set up as limited constitutional republic with a bill of rights. The reason you don't have that kind of government is because people like you are "sick and fucking tired".
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  11. We don't have a state Church like the Church of England. Instead we have a free exercise and establishment clause in our first amendment.
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  12. "Half of the descendants of those living in America today were digging up turnips or whatever in eastern Europe and were no more than vassals of whoever was in power at that time while we in Britain had a fully functioning democracy" Typical argument heard at an English dinner debate concerning the "White man's burden." In fact your democracy was working so well that 26 Counties of Ireland fought and left over lingual and religious persecution leaving you with a United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland. Yes the US constitution was based in English law and the Magna carta was advanced for its time. However neither England or Canada have anything as radical as the US constitution and the Bill of rights. No where in the Constitution is God or an official language mentioned. Neither is there an escape clause of reasonableness included like in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. A clause in the original constitution forbids any religious test for any office. "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The first amendment prevents Congress from prohibiting the free exercise of or establishing a religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
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  13. A business can put up a sign like that but it doesn't mean that lets them off the hook for public accommodation law. The purpose of those signs is to remind the customer that they are expected to be on good behaviour in the business if they expect to be served. Should a customer be acting up it allows a business employee to ask the customer to leave without getting into an argument about why they're being asked to leave.
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  14. That theory of 'natural selection' driving business didn't work in the past with regards to race. So American Apartheid was officially disbanded by public accommodation law. The Supreme court recognized in the 1968 in the Newman v. Piggy Park Enterprises decision that religion was not a valid defense to violation of the 1964 Civil Rights act. The movement engaged in public protests while also demanded government action to end the discriminatory practices. The laws came after the protests and the cultural shift against racism.
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  15. Under law what your religious views are will not be questioned. The Newman v. Piggy Park Enterprises case in 1968 says you can not use religion as a defense to violation of public accommodation law. Just because your interpretation of the Torah, Bible or Quran means this or that doesn't mean you get to do this or that. A line must be drawn on one side is religious freedom on the other side is religious tyranny.
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  16.  @ds29912  Capitalism works to break up working class families with the natural way it works. Why pay for a worker and a family when all you need to do is hire a single worker?
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  17. It s a case also of a Boss wanting to use his business as a way to force his religion views down other people's throats.
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  18. John Lewis With this, if this and that, then this. I'm not a Democrat so I don't sign on in lock step with whatever they are doing. I didn't sign on to overturning Citizens United by gutting the 1st Amendment either. There wouldn't be any "left wing nonsense" if he had just baked the cake or agreed to the compromise. You want a further extension of corporate power based in religion I don't.
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  19. Rendell Porter Once it gets the the Supreme Court there is no more shopping for judges.
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  20. The actor is a worker and in the Oregon case that also appears to be the case where husband and wife are not employing labor. In the Masterpiece cakeshop the cake shop is an employer.
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  21. The actor is a worker so they can quit at anytime. If Cakes By Melissa is just a married couple then they are just a married couple who own their own tools much like a couple who own their own rig and a drive truck as team drivers so they also should be able to refuse service for any reason. Masterpiece cakeshop is clearly an employer so no they must serve all comers under the public accommodation law. To rule otherwise is to allow corporations of all sizes to use religion as a defense to violation of public accommodation law.
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  22. We don't know what the couple would want designed on the cake since he stopped and refused to make any bake goods that would celebrate same sex weddings. So even an anniversary cake would fall victim under his way of doing things. He has been arguing that cakes are speech. What about mashed potatoes or a green bean salad. Have the American Nazi's sued for Hitler cakes or the KKK requested KKK cakes? How are they protected by law? Did he post signs saying he refuses to make same sex wedding cakes after all this wasn't the first time he said no? Did he post in his shop that he is serving Christ or God? No of course not because he knows that to post things like that would drive away business from customers who aren't gay or Christian. He would rather hide his views on same sex wedding cakes rather than risk losing business for posting something like that nor has he asked that he be allowed to do that and his friend at the Trump administration the US Solicitor general has said they would not approve of that.
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  23. Jack Phillips is the cake shop manager so he could contract out all the samesex wedding cakes or have an employee without his views make all the same sex wedding cakes. So why does he refuse to do a perfectly possible compromise? It is obvious he wants to make it as difficult as possible for the couple to exercise their rights to service without religious discrimination. His goal is religious tyranny not religious freedom.
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  24. The actress is not a company. Public accommodation law says the cake shop company cannot refuse service based upon sexual ordination. If it was a private company not open to the general public serving only certain churches then the cake shop would be exempt. Public accommodation law has been before the Supreme court before and found constitutional despite Piggy Park Enterprises claiming an exception based upon religious views overriding the federal 1964 civil rights act. You brought up the Hitler cake so its up to you to explain how Hitler cakes or KKK cakes fit into this. In fact why don't you go order a Hitler cake and come back and tell us how it all worked out.
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  25. Jack Phillips basic freedom is not being infringed upon since he personally doesn't have to make the cake. To allow for profit corporations that operated in the public to claim a religion when not specifically organized for religious purposes is religious tyranny. We've already seen this in the Hobby Lobby case where the court majority ignored the religious right not to be a conservative Christian and the health needs of the 100's of female employees for the religious rights of a few corporate owners.
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  26. Their is a difference between an artist and an artisan. But by immediately refusing there is no doubt the the refusal was based upon sexual orientation not a lack of artistic inspiration.
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  27. He like Hobby lobby is claiming a right to use religion by for purpose of expanding the rights of private property owners over those without nor is it a special situation where the tools are operated by the owner without the hiring of wage labor. All any thinking worker needs to know is this: These facts make it just another example of boss tyranny pure and simple. The right of the bosses to use religion as an excuse for their decisions was rightly rejected a long time ago.
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  28. I suppose if you've never needed to work to pay your bills and been over lorded by a boss that wants more out of you for less you probably wouldn't understand.
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  29. Some can only crawl on their bellies and accept boss tyranny others don't. The effect of the Burwell v. Hobby Lobby was to strip Hobby Lobby's 100's of female workers of safe and effective birth control methods from their inclusion in any Obama care healthcare plan for Hobby Lobby workers. Just like Masterpiece Cakeshop it is all based upon boss rights to set up a for profit corporation and then claim it is a way to worship god.
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  30. Looking at it from a Communist view the boss class wants to discriminate against all working people based upon their sexual identity. Its clear that this is what he wants because he refused any compromise such as training other workers to do the job or contracting out his gay wedding cake business.
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  31. Right private lives were not the object of ending segregation. However public accommodations are not considered private when business is open to the public and they were also the subject of desgration that required government intervention in business because so called free market capitalism doesn't use invisible hands. It's just as foolish as those who think prices are set by supply and demand over being set by the labor power need to make them or do the job. Supply and demand seldom sets prices.
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  32. Before the civil rights movement Black people traveling for either their job or pleasure out of town bought a book called the green book so they would know where the could stop for gas, morels and restaurants. Even in Springfield, MA Friendly's Ice cream restaurant would allow black kids to sit but would not wait on them.
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  33. Price of production is determined by labor time multiplied the labor rate. Cost of production is determined by wages paid for the time used to produce. They don't raise or lower the cost of an oil change by the dealer checking on how much oil he has on hand. Same goes for the price of gas. When the gas truck shows up at the gas station they don't lower the price of gas or raise it in the morning or lower it at night or on Sundays. Same goes for getting your car fixed or bidding on a construction job. When you get your car fixed the figure the labor time by estimate and then multiply by labor rate then add the cost of parts. It has almost nothing to do with anything else. If they can't get the part or fix it some other way they don't do the job if they have lots of parts they don't low the price. The worker gets his wage paid by the estimate time times his wage rate. Only with monopolies or a production price that can't be justified in the market does supply and demand come in. The worker must be paid a wage so that he comes back to work the next day and not a penny less.
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  34. Discovery of ignorance always come first, protests against ignorance comes next, government action defending ignorance comes forth, then government action against ignorance next, lastly ignorance dies off. It's a never ending human process (dialectical materialism) now connected to capitalism and its class divisions.
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  35.  @bogglerful  Big Government? A good slogan now can he explain what the hell it is he is talking about? Big Business government?
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  36. No because as show in the recent GM strike workers were fighting for equal wages and an end to the two tier contract and making temps into regular workers.
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  37.  @nal8503  No Government Regulations by the capitalist government are made to benefit capitalism as a whole so as to prevent greed from getting out of control. Name what particular regulation you are talking about because without a union at GM every worker there would be a temp.
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  38.  @nal8503  Okay so your argument is similar to the libertarian where governments are disconnected from the economic system. A large portion if not a majority of American politicians are part of the meritocracy educated at the elite universities and stepped in the theory and methods of finance capitalism. They belong to one of the two ruling parties who receive the biggest campaign contributions from business. Yet somehow they are getting overpaid and not properly performing their duties to an ideal capitalism or as Any Rand put it "Capitalism the Unknown Idea."
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  39.  @nal8503  So yes capitalist would like to pay only a wage that would sustain a worker till the next day. The price now set for that commodity results in the maximum profit. Health needs for a human being begin at birth and don't end until to death. The attitude of the capitalist of old can be easily understood in a conversation between a coal miner and his boss. Coal Miner, "Which costs the company more a dead mule or a dead miner?" Coal Boss, "A dead mule of course. We can always hire another miner. We would have to buy a mule." Today the coal bosses greed is restrained in many ways because of thing like the "Battle of Blair Mountain." and strikes by miners.
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  40.  @nal8503  No one is happy with the schools in the US. At best many could care less. Last year saw a teachers strike wave across about five states. Jobs in the company/state meritocracy are doled out based on based on education and college graduated from which is probably the only reason it's considered important. How much money a school district gets to spend is based upon property taxes. Those with higher incomes live in the same neighborhoods with zoning laws to keep out the riff raff. One reason school shootings happen in better off neighborhoods is their children don't have to pass through metal detectors before entering their school. Schools in the US still operate as if children are needed on farms that don't exist anymore. So a full school year is 180 school days with June, July and August now being the children's vacation time.
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  41.  @GrantCoppin-Brown  They won one election in 2006 against a corrupt Fateh. After which the waged a war against all political opposition. Their political origins go back to the Muslim brotherhood, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Adolf Hitler. Like Hitler's NAZI party they won support though the use of gangsterism. Their leaders are Billionaires who live in Qatar luxury. They steal UN aid and care nothing about the people they rule over breaking stikes and imposing heavy taxes. They openly state that the refugees are the UN's problem. The main goal is the extermination of all the Jews as Proficized in the Koran and establishment of a New World Muslim Caliphate as proficized. Defeat of 80 nations by a Muslim Army coming from the East carrying Black Flags. No doubt the jew hating Islamic Republic of Iran which is the backker of Hamas terrorism and seeks to acquire nuclear weapons. .
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  42. When capitaliam goes into crisis the Jews because they are a minority in every place they live except Israel now become a target for scoundrels who seek to blame them for the crisis. These ideas are quickly adopted by the fascist bandits. When the ruling capitalist class feels threatened by the Socialist revolution and the workers power it seeks to use these fascist bandits to save their system.
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  43.  @tigernotwoods914  The reason he is never mentioned is he did nothing at all except sit on the sidelines while living through the overthrow of Jim Crow racism. His total political adivice to Blacks can be summed up as go home we have overcome. Same with everything else his whole line of thought is that capitalism works and you need to get in on the action.
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  44.  @stephencarter7266  He only world class because he is supported by the American Imperialist Empires investor class. His basic role is deny the truth of Karl Marx's critique of capitalism. He spent a life time defending capitalist trade and production as portrayed by the neoliberals as the only way in which to organize economics. The absurdity of neo liberalism came to the front with the multiply crisis that ended with them having egg all over their faces with the crisis of 2008. From that point forward the actions of the state to defend the biggest investors and the too big too fail bankers became clear to all.
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  45. The heads of Big Government are always taking about how they are making it smaller.
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  46.  @ScorpionXII  Worker, "Boss they have Socialism in Sweden." Boss, 'No they have capitalism." Worker, "Boss they have universal Healthcare." Boss, "That's Socialism!"
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  47.  @200131356  For the capitalist and their politicians it's a question of how much it will cost in profits and what will the workers accept as universal. They don't like the idea of questioning the health insurance scam by a call for universal access which can only be achieved by taxing wealth and cutting the cost of a medical education without exceeding the boundaries of capitalism itself.
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  48. The roots of Jew hatred lie in the capitalist system itself Jews as a culture probably understand capitalism better than any other. Whenever capitalism enters an economic crisis the Jews are inevitable blamed by the ruling class. With the rise of capitalism in western Europe came Jew hatred. The Russian Czar beame the promoter of anti Jewish pogroms.
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  49. Ya instead of a tyranny of majority we get a tyranny of a minority. Why not hold elections where trees get 3/5 of a vote also?
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  50.  @lorenheard2561  Now maybe you can explain what he is talking about?
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  51.  @jerrybrickley2115  When does Conservatives or Liberals cross the line form thought to political violence? Like Pat Buchanan taking over the Reform Party. Or Barry Goldwater talking about lobbing a Nuke into the mens room at the Kremlin? How many assassination attempts were made by the US CIA on Fidel Castro's life? What about Kennedy-Lodge decision to foment a military coup against the Diem brothers in South Vietnam?
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  52.  @jerrybrickley2115  Well once again YouTube has decided to censor me.
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  53. Workers will adopt the best ideas that help win the class struggle. In this coming struggle they will realize that capitalism can not be fixed but must be replaced by working class rule on the road to world socialism..
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  54.  @ds29912  No such thing as natural law. Capitalism is the worst offender because its unnecessary.
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  55. The capitalist are creating both the people the means and the reasons to organize society in a new way the industrial workers who create the surplus value that makes the capitalist rich along with the inability of them to successful maintain and expand the creation of surplus value that brings their system of production for the profit of a class of greedy investors to an end. Not all human activities can be put into the market of industrial production without creating a working class of general culture. It's our class that will create the new comrade engineer and comrade scientist the comrade administrator who works for the same wages as the others in the organization. As Fidel stated it was Che Guevara who saw this most clearly that new society produces the new man who works for not just for himself but others in solidarity that you can't just measure everything with the old methods of profit and loss that it is necessary to speak for others who can speak for themselves? Who speaks at the UN for the child without a crust of bread? Who speaks for those who suffer under the brutality of the banker who orders the military invasion to save his capital from nationalization?
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  56. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an ally of Hitler and the final solution.
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  57. Capitalism isn't working and that's why interest in socialism is on the rise. The SJW's and PETA are your companions seeking to make capitalism "work" raising up progressive rights of animals. The closest the "Frankfurt School" gets to the working class is when they buy union made Oscar Mayer "hot dogs." for another conference on identity politics.
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  58.  @Dennis-nc3vw  The worker need to break with the twin parties of capitalism and build their own party independent of the capitalists. A party that can take state power from the capitalists and embarque on the building of world socialism.
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  59. I see the problem now AK, MT, WY, ND, SD, VT, DE with one one Congressmen will be joining Canada. All those states will be able to have either a common land border with Canada or in Delaware's case an ocean with which they could reach Canada in motorized row boats.
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  60.  @dmannevada5981  I thought Washington wanted to make Cuba the 51st state? I guess Alberta will do in a pinch.
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  61.  @TAPriceCTR  The last time getting rid of the electoral college was talked about is after the 1968 election where three candidates got electoral votes. If no one gets an absolute majority than each state through decisions made by its congressional representatives gets one vote.
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  62.  @dmannevada5981  Clinton did what Reagan couldn't replace AFDC with TANF. Bush told everyone he wanted Medicare Part D to pass. Carter was the first advocate of trickle down economics. Reagan signed the first immigration amnesty bill. It makes absolutely no difference which party is in power you are going to pay more taxes than Amazon and GE. The biggest thing that goes on with "entitlements' is rearrangement in how they are dished out and rearrangements in how things are paid for.
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  63.  @TAPriceCTR  "What does "the last time" something happened got to do with anything?" Typical political amnesia. Third parties always develop during political crisis in the US. Clinton Democrats accused the Green party of stealing her votes. The Republican's being out of the White House last time had ten candidates for the nomination. The Democrats have ten now and more are talking about entering even as some drop out. I'd call that a crisis for the ruling parties unless I was a political amnesiac wearing blinders. If a third party were to develop quicker in one or more states faster than the others it could very well though a Presidential election into the House of Representatives where each state would have one vote.
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  64.  @TAPriceCTR  No. I just explained something that has made you upset. I support a third party the Socialist Workers Party. I oppose the duopoly. I don't see how "abolishing parties" would create any real change except to make third parties challenging capitalist power illegal. There is a difference between abolishing parties and nonpartisan elections with equal ballot access.
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  65.  @TAPriceCTR  You seem to quick to jump to conclusions. I associate that with getting upset.
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  66.  @jeromeschmidt7805  "Ideological enforcement" otherwise known as capitalist law is carried out by the two parties at all levels and branches of the capitalist state power local, state, federal, legislative, executive and judicial. The whole purpose of Bourgeois Democracy is to enforce Bourgeois Dictatorship.
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  67. Sure every boss believes in free markets because he gets to own something he never even built and require others to work or starve. However when the bosses find themselves facing a big strike the first thing they want is government intervention. Suddenly police, the national guard and federal troops are all so necessary. Things like free speech and assemble go out the window as far as the bosses are concerned.
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  68.  @richardsmart5532  That's because capitalism can't afford to lose in the countries it developed first. Capitalist reforms are never meant to be permanent but only for a time until they decided they need them back. When the US decides it doesn't like a country's government it calls for regime change with sanctions, trade embargoes, CIA plans for coups and war. No thought is given to the people who live in those countries as everything is included in their pre wars includes both food and medicine. If things were bad in Venezuela then the US with its regime change doctrine means making things worse.
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  69.  @maryfuentes5110  That's because the Government is like the cops in fact that is most of what government does.
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