Comments by "Kim O\x27Brien" (@kimobrien.) on "Abortion and Personhood: What the Moral Dilemma Is Really About | Glenn Cohen | Big Think" video.

@scethabsent2745 That's because they a stuck in these obsolete religious faith ideas. They go around harassing women going to clinics that not only do abortions but are providers of birth control methods and women's healthcare in general. They aren't interested in protecting babies only in having the maximum number of children being born because that fits with their go forth and multiply religious dogma.
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@cherylfowler5983 You have the right to ignore doctors because medicine is considered voluntary but not the cops who will be required to enforce anti abortion laws.
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@cherylfowler5983 I don't vote for the politicians of the corrupt Democratic and Republican parties. Those are your politicians not mine. Legal and safe abortion allows a women to plan her life. Roe v. Wade was decided by a majority Republican court. Only one Democrat and one Republican descended from the 7-2 decision.
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@mtoohill Abortion was never treated the same as murder even before Roe v. Wade. That's just rhetoric dreamed up by religious fundamentalists. These fundamentalist are as phony as a three dollar bill. Their real goal is maximization of births because their bible tells them to go forth and multiply. That's what is behind their anti contraception and anti abortion morality. Prior to DNA a man could not be determined to be the father with any degree of certainty so women were always the ones convicted or accused of violating the rules of monogamy. Monogamy itself was the way property and privilege of upper class was passed down through generations.
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@penmaster003 Colorado has no special abortion laws so where all the infanticides you talk about? Your like someone who doesn't understand how to use a ruler. You know where the beginning is and where the end is but don't know what the in between markings are for.
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That's right and guess on who has big money to spend on a loud bull horn?
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@brandondavidson4085 Since the end of reconstruction rights under US capitalism have never been given but taken. The same goes for European capitalism any rights the workers have had to fought for and taken from the capitalist governments. Capitalist law grants nothing but words on paper. Every right in the US Constitution has had to be fought for over and over again because with capitalism no rights the workers ever have have any permanence. What they give one day while saying how grateful to us they are they look to take away by use of the other party tomorrow.
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@kennethlauer4735 You and the "Pro Birthers" are the proto Fascists. Eugenics was invented in the USA not by Hitler. His Nuremberg laws were patterned on those passed by segregationist planter class Southern Democrats with Business class Republicans giving the stamp of approval. The NAZI's in their defense of their crimes said they did nothing the USA didn't do.
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@kennethlauer4735 Fact sheet answering the out of context claim made by Herbert Cain and the second out of context claim long with many others. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/8013/9611/6937/Opposition_Claims_About_Margaret_Sanger.pdf
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@coreybrowning9659 Its not complicate at all women have the right to control their bodies. Not the Church or the State. Take your rotten apple cops, your corrupt politicians and your sky pilots leave on a trip for mars and don't come back.
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@penmaster003 You a completely brainwashed idiot. You trust government fools to write laws on how to practice medicine. No one is aborting healthy 9 month old fetuses accept in the minds of the Plastic Jesus crowd.. Its just a political football so capitalist politicians can play the hero as another Clark Kent or Batman. You think Trump and Obama are saving the world. There is no need for limitations because the politicians are lucky to be able tell their ass from their elbow without a chart in a hearing room to begin with. They didn't have any limitations in Colorado. We don't need your false morality or you playing the well educated enlightened dip shit.
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They why don't you need a certificate of conception instead of a birth certificate?
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@queensaladini6731 No retreat in the face of the reactionaries. No common ground with the capitalist state and the Church. Fight to have abortion declared as part of equal rights for all women. No Judge interference in the rights of young women. Complete and comprehensive sex education before puberty. Take all healthcare out of the market and make it a right for all people across the planet. End the global "gag" rules. Tell the Church and capitalist state to put a sock in it.
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Tell these rotten apple cops, corrupt politician's and sky pilots to take a hike. You have no moral authority to call anyone murders when your responsible for so many unnecessary deaths just to line your bank accounts.
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I suppose than we will than need to take out eviction or foreclosure notices on fetuses. Who do we then send the 'notice to quit"? The Pope or The President or The Supreme Court?
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We have to endure capitalist jurisdiction only as long as a majority agrees to endure their jurisdiction.
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If Shapiro is such a wise man why hasn't he been elected dog catcher? The only thing he does is make self look like an ass. Talking about how abortion is murder. How rapists should be castrated. Why social security is immoral. How the FDA should be shut down and we should just be ware of snake oil sales men because after enough people die than the snake oil salesmen will go out of business. The man is a joke.
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@acxezknightnite1377 He talks sense for a capitalist class of exploiters only. Marxist start with facts and the material needs of the working class not some abstract morality built upon superstition and notions. The logic of capitalism leads into crisis and decline. The capitalist own methods and accounting books show that. Increasing wealth for the few and more misery for everyone else. Capitalism left to its own devices can only lead to world war and fascism. That's what it did twice already are you ready for WW3?
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@acxezknightnite1377 Marxism the movement is guided by the methods of historical materialism. Human beings use social labor to transform nature and use tools to save future labor time. The size of that organization of cooperation has reached world proportions. So all comparisons to the animal kingdom can only be seen as a subset of human behavior because no other animal on the planet has the power to transform the planet the way mankind has. Marxism isn't based in sets of principles rather it is science derived from material reality just as all science is. For mankind to create culture he must first feed shelter and cloth himself. That is what economic organization is all about. The production of a surplus is what made the city state and then the nation state possible. Where do the ideas of the capitalist lead? To greater profits and the maximization of all profits at the expense of all other considerations. To the creation of an ever smaller and ever richer class of capitalist while everyone else is pushed into an ever larger and poorer working class with less and less skill. This is the logic of capitalism to more and more competition among the laborers of less and less skill while a few sit at the top owning, controlling, and eating everything as voracious tigers and hyenas. The Marxist say turn the tables on the capitalist work in your and your comrade workers interest against the capitalists. They say longer hour and lower wages we say shorter hours and higher wages,. They say health care for less we say healthcare for all. They say more incentives we say fewer incentives. They say no taxes on them and more on us we say more on them taxes and no taxes on us.
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@acxezknightnite1377 Why shouldn't you go to the US Guantanamo Bay prison torture center?
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@acxezknightnite1377 "Hierarchies are innate." A mere notion presented as an argument. Not so hierarchy is not innate since labor is social and no one person is key in any human social organization nor do team efforts require a certain individual or type of individual determined by birth with the exception of those determined by sex. Capitalism is merely a form of social organization not preordained and the capitalist is not a special type determined by birth except for his inheritance of wealth which is once again determined not by the individual but socially. So all you have done is present a notion as an argument. Hip Hip Hooray for the notion that Marx is wrong.
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@acxezknightnite1377 Being fine with capitalism doesn't prove anything about it. You don't want to travel to Guantanamo Bay? Certainly you want to know why these terrorist don't deserve one of your culturally superior trials where justice is determined by facts presented and a jury not simple notions like those of witches and goblins being responsible. Why is it necessary for your capitalist government to deny them their right to a trial? Is it because you are afraid of Bushes axis of evil North Korea, Iraq and Iran. Why did you subject the Korean people to a merciless bombing campaign and a war of aggression? Do you not know anything about Korean history? You decided to divide Korea with Stalin when you had no right or reason to invade and set yourself up as the new Imperialist power in Korea taking over from the hated Japanese Imperialists. Why do you always choose war as the solution. Are you unable to defend your system of exploitation except by notions and pointing at others? You mercilessly bombed North Korea and when did North Korea bomb the US? You want to come with me and visit N Korea we can see if that's possible. Why not call your Congressman and ask why no trial of any kind for those accused of terrorism, ask if we can go visit together and why do you always need demons to battle in wars of aggression. I'm living in one of many "communist places" in the USA right now its a camp trailer I own it by capitalist law and you can't just force me to leave or drop bombs on me. You are afraid of communism because you've been trained by the American ruling class with its educational system a system that is merely a product of the capitalist system of production and trade. It claims to be superior and presents false notions as proof like "It brings democracy." "Capital creates wealth." "I'm fine with it." "dystopian Marxism." Marxism is based not in principles but facts and Marx's general discovery that motor of human history is the class struggle. Capitalism is a mere stage in history of social organization which itself changes as the productive forces do. The essence of capitalism is the profit system and an ever smaller capitalist class governing by the law of profit alone. They system goes into decline as the problem of a naturally declining rate of profit provokes the class struggle against it.
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@acxezknightnite1377 People aren't ants and we don't reproduce by using drones and queens. Nor do gorillas all follow the orders of one certain gorilla. None carve a live from nature the way human beings do so none of what you say is really relevant. It's a matter of you personal feelings about biology. Biology is driven by the struggle to survive the same as man not hierarchy. Possible you missed Darwin's Origin of the species. Man survives by social labor, creation of a surplus and the creation of tools to save future labor time. If man's social organization stands in the way of mans development and survival man has no choice but to change it or die. If all man needed was hierarchy than the catholic church would be all that was needed man or men would be searching for the best hierarchical structure to survive which you believe like a dogma to be capitalism. It doesn't matter wither I like or don't like it capitalism the laws of nature and human development itself condemn it to death just like the previous systems of feudalism and slavery. At the end of the day even if capitalism were to avoid the disconnect between production and exchange value, the crisis of overproduction caused by the inability to buy back all that can be produced, the declining rate of return on investment would cause it to end. Capitalism can only make profit from industrial production and those activity that defy industrial methods are deemed unnecessary. Higher paid skilled labor is the first to be replaced with unskilled labor and machines. Education becomes less necessary as capitalism needs more order takers abd fewer thinkers. Workers are replaceable parts and medical care is unnecessary when another worker can be hired and healthcare is just an overhead cost of industry and government. Yet profit maximization is the cry of the capitalist and his loyal servants in government, university and industry. Anyone with a brain realizes a strict command structure of economics will not work since their are no infallible human beings nor can all information and administration be centralized, calculations made and then orders issued. Such a system would require continuous repair if even possible to construct meaning that it would be impossible for all unknowns to be known at the exact same time and the calculations would therefore always be incomplete. Hierarchy may have its value but so does decentralization. Economics defies exact computations. Each man's and woman's exact needs change as time goes forward as do the ability produce and general education and cultural level. It make no difference that you are not American and aren't educated in the American educational system you are educated in the ideas of wage labor and capital, of profit and loss, of supply and demand, of rate of return on investment. You live in the world of capitalism and its ideological justification. The American capitalist lead a world of globalization of capitalism at the end of WW2 and now its starting to fail in the very centers of global capitalism itself. The EU is breaking apart with Brexit. The French are refusing to vote. Trade wars are in the order of the day. Capitalism is in its death agony and the only question is how many workers will the system take to the grave with it. It is quite possible that the ruling class will set the clock way back with nuclear war. Then we can start all over just like after WW1 and WW2 assuming nuclear winter doesn't intervene. There is no reason to believe capitalism won't result in world war like world war one. Because the seeds of war are in the system itself with each man and each nation state out for themselves with its own class of rich capitalist at the helm. You say I'm resentful of your wealth but why should I accept your claims to wealth? Do you believe you deserve more than others? On what basis should you be wealthy. Did you put in more hours or more sweat then others? How much more do you feel entitled to any way and why? Because you daddy left it to you in his will? Because you had the good luck to be born on top of a mineral reserve? You scored higher on educational exams? You a capitalist who buys labor time and sells products made by others? You country escaped the wars of the 20th century? Your an administrator who can do the math required to keep a ledger of profit and loss? The Americans couldn't buy themselves an Army to protect themselves with 2 trillion dollars in Afghanistan. Instead they left with their tails between there legs after creating a disaster for millions and killing 100,000 all in revenge for the 9/11 attacks. What makes you think your capitalist class can do better? The America Capitalist don't like to share anymore than your ruling class does. They like profit and more of it and the won't hesitate to use military force to get and defend it anymore than NAZI Germany or British Imperialists in the second world war or the French, German, US, Turkey, Russia and UK empires in the first world war.
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@penmaster003 "My only suggestion is that if it is legal, it will happen. And that is what is unacceptable. " Real murder is also illegal and it still happens very often in all states. Incomplete statics? Well how about just one 8 month 29 day elective unjustified abortion in Colorado? Just like you religious Catholic Priest friends with exactly zero adoptions. Not to mention the Trump Pence speeches at the last "Pro Birth" rally. You hang with hypo's (hypocrites)and wonder why someone would give you a well deserved verbal bashing. The goal of you 'Pro Birthers' is to create as much misery as possible for women who don't want another child or aren't ready for their first with your fake upper class morality. Its more than easy for an upper class man to support a huge family if so desired. It will always be easy for the upper class women to get abortions because money talks and bullshit walks. Just like your rotten apple cops and corrupt politicians the true wrath of the antiabortionist and legal system is aimed at the working class and the poor.
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@DeathsSON213 The "Pro Birth" movement has the support of the senior members of the US Government. Trump and his lackey Pence are all for supporting the US war on Yemen. Its fought by Saudi Bomber pilots using F-16's with gas and go by US KC-135 Tankers and cluster bombs marked MADE IN USA. Cluster bombs target young children who think they are toys. That's the why the "Pro Birthers" have no moral standing to be calling anyone else murders. Trump and Saudi ideas about healthcare are bone saw and sulfuric acid exports.
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@theresak.7475 Why not set the beginning of human life at say the marriage date? Or after having sex you go down and register? All life is sacred do you also belong to PETA? The bible says god made Adam and then blew life into his nostrils. He didn't say at the time of conception because he knew you would be squeamish to do in public what every other form of life does.
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The bourgeois worships the false moral god of money. With a no abortion law they seek to keep all women of all classes under control. However it was a bourgeois women who paid for the development of the birth control pill. Now with that genie out of the bottle it is hard to force women back into the status of incubators for the next generation. The capitalist want to force women back so that they can get maximum value for wages paid and welfare money spent. They're hoping to birth a new generation of non immigrants for cheap labor and as the Empires loyal soldiers. Like all of capitalist law the harshest punishment falls on working class women and poor women overall. They will be forced to cut corners on food and shelter. They will be asked to sacrifice for the good of children. For the rich upper class gal like Hillary Clinton who calls for abortion to be legal and rare she can either get on a plane for anther district or use her money which explains everything an abortion permission board needs to hear.
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@theresak.7475 After reading Psalms 139 in both The Catholic and King James Version. It says your were wrought in secret in the depths of the earth. Not in the womb because your either covered or kitted together there. From there it proceeds with the usual slay the wicked, hate them and don't hate them or do whatever double talk. Only the Catholic version uses the word embryo. Why? Embyo comes from Middle English so as a word it was available for use when the King James version was translated but instead the word substance is used. I'd say the Catholics cheated on that one given their most commonly used translations were done in the 20th or 21st century. Every English Protestant version I could find used the word substance with only one using the word body. Its seems to me substance is much more vague. The original writers in Hebrew guessed at what they saw insides a woman's uterus based upon the practice of ripping open your enemies pregnant women during all the wars chronicled in the bible. Still it seems to me the person or soul originates in the depths of the earth and not inside a woman body according to scripture. Maybe you should go o a campaign against digging tunnels or underground mining?
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How come idiots like yourself don't have certificates of conception.
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