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Comments by "Dharmadasa" (@dharmadasa66) on "How to get any MAN you WANT: the MASTER KEY" video.
Women following this advice can lead high value men into considering marriage.
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@judithojiaka5346 By exploiting them. Aren't we talking about the same thing? I agree with your view on their desire for control. That exploitation is using their victims and rendering them useful to the dark triad individual, for gratification, exploitation etc. I think this is a verbal/semantic difference and we are aligned. The oppressor may still seek usefulness in their victim. It is up to normal people to avoid exploitation, so I agree we should not put ourselves in harm's way.
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@yoohoo952 A high value man is what the woman values as high value. That is why it is called a 'market value'. When Orion asks women to consider how they get commitment from a high value man he does not define a high value man that much because obviously it is up to the woman to define it. If he does lean towards a general definition, it is because that is what most women (his audience) define as high value. As women tend to define such men in terms of success, then it is on them. Of course if a woman values compassion, empathy, loyalty etc. then she should seek that. His advice still applies: provide that man with value yourself. Why does all this need explaining in the modern age? Because people have lost sight of what value is, expecting everyone to provide it to them and not give anything back in return.
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Look in your friend zone.
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Funny how things never change right? I guess those old-time women were simply stupid, not like the modern boss babes who know exactly what's up.
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Being useful goes way beyond secretarial support and maid services. That's just an inexact metaphor. It means giving support. Like, in empathy, interest, engagement, intimacy. Obviously a high value man can buy labour. Can he buy love? Clearly the support Orion is talking about means on the interpersonal level. It may come as a surprise to realise that most women don't provide these vital functions for a relationship with a good man. They are users just as much as men are.
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You forgot 'boss babe'.
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@hypnosecoachinghombach7517 Pretty much the same thing. Would you care to elaborate on the key differences?
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Some way? It's all over the place, women are shouting it from the rooftops and most of it is pretty low grade. 6 feet tall, 6 inches and six figure income. "Oh no, women value kindness, empathy and loyalty....and financial support, safety, emotional stability, good looks, etc etc. ". Well you still have to offer those guys something in return. The problem with women is they are entitled and don't offer much. That is why men are giving up on relationships and some are going overseas. All Orion is doing is asking women to be accountable for the part in establishing a relationship, in the ways most guaranteed to deliver them success. He has plenty of vids to help men learn what they need to offer women. Look at most of his other vids.
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95%
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@EC-yl7xk No-one! No good men help their wives in any way, shape or form whatsoever. They are all evil, exploitative pigs. You go girl!
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Common sense flew out the window in the 1970s, and was shot dead and buried this century.
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And what is wrong with that? Many men would happily provide, protect and support an affectionate women who gave him emotional and physical love in her spare time, which could include time for her own job and interests. The women's end of the bargain is very rare.
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He clearly implied it was the human supportive qualities that count, not the labour that can be outsourced to secretaries, cooks and housekeepers. Why do you wilfully misinterpret his intent?
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Useful in different ways. He wants to provide, protect and nurture through his actions, and wants her to be supportive, kind, empathic. She wants him to provide, protect and nurture through his actions, and also wants him to be supportive, kind, empathic. The question Orion is proposing, is: do modern women understand the need for their part in this?
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It depends on how you define 'useful'. I took it to mean kind, empathic, supportive and loyal. Not doing menial tasks that can be outsourced to commercial service providers.
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He never mentioned a maid. That is your filter. I agree with the rest of your comment however.
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Divorce lawyers have their hands full with the 50% of marriages ending in divorce, 80% of which are filed by women. So who is doing the dumping? Of course, all women who divorce are only doing it because the men in their lives are evil cheating pigs. Those women are never dumping the man to trade up, 'find herself', go after some-one better etc. Divorce laws don't incentivise women at all, women are angelic beings without a trace of negativity and are always the victims even when dumping the man (most of divorces as per above).
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@yoohoo952 Yes, all men are selfish and evil. Why would a high value man value something that adds to his life? Isn't he more likely to exploit it or take it for granted? Isn't it selfishness that makes him high value? Oh wait, you are talking about players and bad boys? Are you mistaking selfish bad boys with good men? Is it your perception that is at fault?
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@yoohoo952 Where does he ask for tension and blame? He is advising women on how to show their value to a man so that he appreciates her. Obviously it must be reciprocal. That makes a comfortable relationship. Why are you so negative about sensible healthy advice towards creating a comfortable relationship?
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You have very low expectations for women. Which is the root of the problem. Funnily enough, 70 years ago women had much higher expectations of themselves and were much more supportive. Of course, feminism told women they were miserable and enslaved, so they could go out and work for capital instead. Now women have few expectations for themselves and while continuing to demand good men that are traditional.
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For time immemorial, relationships for both men and women were based on a high degree of unselfishness and altruism as well as benefit. It always flowed both ways. Now, everyone (including you) see it as a zero sum game. That is why you are a loser. If you think all men are evil pigs you will be living in a hellish farmyard. Take responsibility for your own perceptions and start by going against your own destructive projections.
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@alexisc7565 The reason he desires "HER' is because he knows she is not a self-centred user who will abandon him at the first opportunity.
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@EC-yl7xk He should advise women that cats and boxed wine are adequate compensation for being a loser.
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Well, either he is low value or he defines success in ways other than you do. Perhaps he does not want to make money. Is he supportive in other ways? Can you accept this? Or is he dross? You decide.
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@judithojiaka5346 Why does 'being useful' not appeal to psychopaths and narcissists? These are about 1-2% of the general population, but can be a larger proportion of 'highly successful' men who have used dark triad traits to get to the top. However, they are also very high in criminals and prisoners. Women love such men due to their own deficiencies in judgement and character.
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@alexisc7565 Oh no, relationships are doomed because there is uncertainty in life. Let the human race go extinct!How did our ancestors ever navigate the complexities of interpersonal dynamics? An impossible task. Best to give up.
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