Comments by "Dharmadasa" (@dharmadasa66) on "The way it ALL ENDS: the five endgames that all women face" video.

  1. You are idealising mature women by assuming they bring significant value to a relationship, and deprecating men by assuming their preferences reflect malign motives (control and dominance). Many factors are in play and some might surprise you.
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  2. A market place set the overall exchange value through aggregating the individual choices, predilections, motivations and activities of countless individuals. Here the market refers to the collective outcome of human action. When people go to a market they each bring widely different reasons, desires, choices and exchange values. Nonetheless the market exists and the exchange value emerges as the average price point. That is why it is a market. Each vendor and purchaser acts independently, yet typically price discovery emerges. It is a model based on aggregated human action, in general, to deduce society wide effects. You are arguing that markets don't exist, have you ever been shopping?
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  3. Agree with the dual-mating strategy you outlined, already well underway and has been for decades. Alternatively, women marry the State and get all their support and protection from the biggest Daddy of them all, with a monopoly on force. Already well advanced in modern society across multiple domains. Other options are lesbianism (increasingly popular but probably only a short-term stop gap for predominantly heterosexual women), and longer -term, we will see the rise of polygamy (women sharing a high value man). Such high value men are likely to be servants of the plutocracy/State, leading to a convergence of interest between women and authoritarianism. Again, well underway.
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  4.  @Dewane1511  True. They don't care, and resent men for their agency. Freud called it penis envy, and he wasn't really talking about the organ. He proposed that is just the first manifestation in childhood. It grows from there.
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  5.  @beowulf_of_wall_st  The data and facts do not enter her calculus, nor do logical deductions. It is always personalised shaming and blaming when views that do not fit her solipsistic world view are presented. It was ever thus, and always will be.
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  6. Traditional society emphasised the things you mentioned. We threw that under the bus and modern society is transactional. It is no better (and no worse) under socialism. Modernity whether capitalist or socialist is just selfishness, short-termism, lack of sacrifice and moral turpitude.
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  7.  @lightbluedev  The system is merely reflecting a lot of individual choices made by men and women, as well as societal pressures from corporations and governments. Both men and women blame the opposite sex, and some on both sides take responsibility. However, most of the changes from traditionalism have been wrought by feminism, capitalism, socialism and corporatism i.e modernity. This is all just part of a long drawn out societal collapse.
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  8.  @lightbluedev  I agree
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  9.  @JR-iy7pb  Indeed, the manosphere is replete with discussions of men dating down, in fact they see it as the default state, and was certainly the frequently case under traditional social norms. It is very rare among women and not to their satisfaction. The well-established tendency for women to divorce their husbands once their income exceeds his demolishes the argument put by @lorrilewis2178 which is based on personal anecdote not statistics. Female hypergamy is very very evident, notwithstanding some examples of responsible women who can earn more than their partners without a problem on either side.
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  10. No-one who knows anything about it believes that High Value Males are only those with money and nothing else. This video does not assert that. It was your assumption that it relates only to economic factors. The point is that HVM are defined by women's wants and expectations and HVW by male wants and expectations. A HVW is not about her income or earning power. That is a part of HVM value but the word value transcends money. Otherwise people would just say "Rich".
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  11.  @lari5891  Increasingly less so. Also, the $$$ are only one part of multiple variables affecting the perception of High Market Value. The simplistic view erodes the use of discussing HMV as a model for relationship formation. Even in a normal market, people define value according to their own criteria. When people go shopping for handbags or vegetables they bring different criteria to bear in making their choice. Nonetheless, in aggregate, there is still a market. When you go to a supermarket, you exercise choice in what you do or do not buy. The supermarket or farmer's market definitely exists to service this diverse activity. That's what a market is. It does not mean all people behave the same way, or should.
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  12. Polygamy will increase as a choice made by women. It is weird however that while sex, reproduction and family concerns were predominantly the domain of women (with a major interest by men), you argue that it is up to men to fix the problem? So women have no responsibility for areas in which they have wielded power and interest from time immemorial? Men are leaving the playing field in droves by personal choice, the societal collapse is on those who have wrought massive social changes without thinking them through. You know who I mean.
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  13. ​ @tinachristine4573  Polygamy is a very ancient practice that predates civilisation and even human evolution. Many great apes, including our own ancestors, practice polygamy. It arises from biology not social conditioning and is an expression of female hypergamy and male promiscuity and the following factors: (1) female preference for superior genetics for her offspring; (2) female preference for greater resource access; (3) female desire for greater security; (4) female desire for social frameworks that provide the above; (5) desire by dominant males for reproductive access to more women; (6) the necessity thereby for males to assert dominance over other males. It was hugely disadvantageous for most men who were frozen out of reproductive success as a result. We can deduce that polygamy was the main reproductive strategy for proto-humans for about a million years as the DNA record proves that about 80% of all females reproduced whereas a much smaller proportion of males (the minority of males) did. They were frozen out. This is not a strategy that favors males. Monogamy is associated with the rise of civilisation as it allows most males to contribute productively to social growth by giving them a stake. Your assertions lack scientific evidence unlike mine, and are typical feminist cope based on ideology not facts.
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  14. Islam is right about women.
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  15. Shaming as opposed to debating the point is a very feminine strategy, doubt you are a dude? If you are, maybe raised by a single mother, hence quite feminized in your thinking?
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  16. No, the women divorce the men, not the other way around. 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
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  17. They will not and probably cannot rise to the occasion demanded of the breadwinner role. Men have always known that providing etc. involves responsibility and sacrifice. What you earn is hers, what she earns is hers also.
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  18.  @beowulf_of_wall_st  I agree with much of this and your many other fine comments throughout this thread, but suspect the "don't mind him having women on the side" is a bit niche and not typical for most relationships. But each to their own, no judgement, just trying to go with the likely numbers overall. Cheers.
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  19. No, the video makes clear that it is not at all the case that women are infallible, quite the opposite, they are deluded because they are misaligned with fundamentals. The whole video describes how they are pricing themselves out. Also, women make the mistake of hypergamy based on assessment of men's relative value, not absolute value (is he in the top percentile rather than than what can he provide objectively).
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  20. The divorce statistics show men stay with their choices more, it is women who initiate divorce much more. Of course feminists will argue it is because the all the men are evil and abusers, but the reality is women are more fickle and transactional and will trade up and out, and are financially incentivised by the nature of the contract and the family courts.
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  21. Character and confidence can be developed and are of prime importance.
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  22. The 'settling' is only relative to their unrealistic fantasies. Objectively, most 'average' guys would be more than adequate for provision, protection etc. Of course, there has to be compatibility with other attributes not covered by this simplified but useful model.
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  23.  @ethanmiller5487  He gets the point well. Women are increasingly financially successful (or persuaded they should be), while miserable because they are failing at other things. It is you who has missed the whole point of the video and most of the comments.
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  24. Evolution. It is rooted in biology, reflecting the different reproductive strategies of males and females.
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  25. Accept more realistic offers.
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  26.  @vinipcplayer  The new relationships are women "marrying" the State, the biggest daddy around with the deepest pockets, and the monopoly on force, in service of women. This leads to government following the directives and needs of women, and the feminisation of society. Risk and innovation are minimised and conformity and safety maximised. It is well underway and will lead to societal failure, as evidenced by all the historical antecedents that show feminist movements in all civilisations as the prelude to their collapse. Many scholars have laid this out for all to see.
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  27. Gross generalisation and probably not true. Women don't ask for many reasons, one being fear of rejection. Many men do not mind being asked but probably will also reject at around the same frequency as women, depending upon what is on offer.
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  28.  @AD-hh6dd  Thanks for the clarification, but I will still disagree about the primary motivation. You think it is what women are taught, I think we all overcome much of what we are taught that is incorrect, after all we are not robots and learn through experience, but more importantly it is because both women and men fear rejection but men must learn to deal with it and it can build character, whereas women fear it and do not know how to handle it, lacking experience. Chicken and egg. But each to their own view, thanks.
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  29.  @aferg76  Where can I find a unicorn?
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  30. Indeed. The men may be objectively far more valuable than the women, but the women will still want the best. It was ever thus and will not change.
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  31.  @SmileyEmoji42  I think you misunderstand me. I agree that it is the subjective value scale of women that is the cause of their problems. By 'objective' in relation to men, I should have clarified, I meant in being able to deliver their end of the bargain in terms of social value. Men still provide the bulk of work that keeps society running. Of course this is being undermined by massive social forces such as those under discussion, and others, so the story is not simple.
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  32. Much more on the psychological side of things - a woman's high price tag = can't stop nagging, manipulating, demanding, being dissatisfied, won't accept responsibility, be realistic, appreciate what is done etc. That is not to say that contributions can't be negotiated in good faith. And of course there are men who don't provide the value they should, as women will attest. Nonetheless, men are increasingly coming to the view that "the juice is not worth the squeeze".
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  33. All societies, including patriarchy (rule by 'fathers)', are gynocentric (centred around the needs of women). They cannot outperform men in an even playing field without massive hidden and overt support.
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  34. Within the confines of heterosexual monogamy, yes. Lesbianism, polygamy and welfare dependency are other options.
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  35.  @m35926  If you were to drop one standard to widen your potential pool, I would suggest the first. Although you may not want a high body count, expecting a virgin is not realistic. If she has the other qualities and is loyal (difficult to assess) then it might work. The chances/odds are not good.
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  36.  @greatnesspersonified9676  Polygamy incoming...
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  37.  @davidw.5185  One book will be written on the basis of facts, data and logical deductions, the other written on feelings and fantasy. Or will be if sales are the objective.
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  38. Women can offer relationships to men but only if they do the work and keep their end of the bargain. The reason men are walking away is because women do not offer relationship value. With divorce rates so high and women incentivised down that route to divest men of the fruits of their input, men are avoiding that one-sided contract.
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  39. Hypergamy is off the charts in China due to their anomalous sex ratio with far more men than women.
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  40.  @jloflo958  You just accepted his point about hypergamy. How can you argue his simple point is wrong and accept it in the same post? "women will still all want the top 10% regardless of how much upgrading goes on". Essence of hypergamy. The pint is, if all men upgrade, women will want and compete for the top 10%.
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  41.  @jloflo958  Don't try to shame me you sound silly. I've had plenty of great girlfriends and since finding her have been married to the same woman for 33 years, first marriage each no divorces, and we have three adult kids. I make heaps of money, good status in society, and have plenty of friends of both sexes and different genders. My points don't spring from some deficit in my personal life, they point out logical fallacies such as in your post. But that's fine, you resort to trying to shame me because you can't deny I've skewered you: pcap posits hypergamy, you deny the validity of his post, then accept hypergamy. Maybe your thinking is woolly and you are not used to discussing things with highly educated people who understand and demand logical consistency. Good day to you madam.
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  42. Reliance on the State is already well advanced and will increase as you describe, associated with increased State power and authoritarianism. It is a form of collapse, according to the values we currently hold, with poverty and misery at the lower and and increased wealth and power among the plutocrats. There are many scenarios and no-one can foretell the future except in broad outline. The reliance on the big Daddy corporate/State hybrid is well underway. The destruction of the family as the main non-State social mechanism has been planned for decades and strongly enabled by feminism and other ideologies.
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  43. Lowering the price in market terms means accepting offers that are of less value than you were previously asking, based mainly on your asking too much. If a vendor tries to sell apples at a high price, they have to offer apples at a lower price if no-one buys. Similarly, if a women demands a man meet standards that are not realistic, and refuses the offers of men she perceives to be of lower value, then she has the choice to continue in her ways and not enter into an exchange, or realise what she is offering has lower value than she thinks, and accept offers that were previously repugnant to her. i.e. become more realistic about the value of what she offers and what she can expect in exchange.
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  44. Depending upon the jurisdiction, common-law erodes the distinction.
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  45. Exactly right but I think climate change is driven by stellar flux and not anthropogenic, it's being presented as a boogeyman to increase government and corporate control. This is a small disagreement so thank you for your post.
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  46. Because the vast majority of women do not think like you.
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  47. Simply a variation on Option 5. And one that will bring a lot of suffering, particularly to the kids, But who cares about them, right?
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  48.  @lari5891  I understand your viewpoint, children do not need fathers. Got it. As you said, many women are fine without a partner. They just need support and resources provided by.....? The State? Great. What use are fathers? Coming back with trite admonishments to ignore the mountain of evidence around single motherhood. These are NOT about resources they are about the value fathers bring into the lives of children which your feminist indoctrination rejects. You are inhuman and play into the hands of those who wish to degrade our humanity. Sickening.
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  49.  @ShadowbannedAccount  Self-absorbed to the max and can't see it. Who cares about what kids need? Ignore the incontrovertible evidence and make up garbage on the spot. And they accuse men of being toxic. Pure projection. What a moral failure.
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  50.  @SmoothCode  Lari took a swipe and failed miserably. She revealed her own inhumanity for all to see. She can't make her toxicity any clearer. What a bitter loser.
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  51.  @lari5891  I am a life-long scientist and have no idea what you are referring to as I am not a mind-reader. Did some-one appoint you as a moderator to this discussion? If not you, then who? What is the role of the moderator here? Please explain your non-sequitur. It is just more word salad from a wooly thinker.
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  52.  @lari5891  I am indeed a life-long research scientist. I asked you to clarify your meaning as it was not clear from your word salad text and you have now complied. As opposed to a moderator who regulates debate, you now reveal you are introducing for the first time concepts about statistics and moderators as statistical variables (also known as modifiers). So please further explain what moderators are you introducing ad hoc, of what statistical analyses?
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  53.  @lari5891  Stop avoiding the multiple reasonable questions I have put to you. You are dealing with a real scientist and you cannot reply reasonably, I asked for your clarification since the word moderator has more than one meaning depending on the context that you failed to supply until I pushed you, so just quit playing games, everyone can see through your BS. You claim a PhD in psychology, you are not telling the truth and it's clear. Bye.
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  54. Exactly. But the radicals and authoritarians will not act to restrict women's hypergamy, they will act to curtail freedom and prosperity for everyone, with the support of women who will look to the State for support. Big Daddy government will act to support women while continuing to extract value from men. Already underway. Who pays the most taxes, and who are the beneficiaries?
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  55. Rubbish. Hypergamy in Western women is proven from many lines of evidence. You are simply wrong.
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  56. Love, if it happens at all, only comes after the 'screening' or selection process, i.e. after attraction and judgement. This is the winnowing out of potential mates. The problem is the strategies are maladaptive to changing circumstances, especially among women. This is one main point of the video.
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  57. Statistically these are increasingly marginalised by the negative changes underway. There will always be some healthy individuals.
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  58. This is the simplified version. There are deeper layers. The comments touch on some.
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  59. Polygamy is a female choice as much as that of a high value male. That is why it was normal in many societies. Our notions of monogamy are not typical historically. Monogamy is far better for society as it harnesses the energy of both men and women into a socially constructive activity, the family unit. Feminism was designed in large part to undo monogamy and the family and is succeeding.
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  60.  @stephanieherman2861  In what sense do options for relationships exist only once? People buy buy only one Roll-Royce car in their lives but they shop around for the best deal and compare to Bentleys and Mercs before making their choice. To say a market place does not exist for one mate is to argue that there do not exist choices about that mate. Also, an auction is still a market. The vendor does not have to sell until their price point is reached and no-one forces the bidder to make an offer. An auction is a very clear market. In securing a partner or spouse, both parties evaluate the deal against other options. i.e. a market. One may not like the transactional implications but that does not invalidate the model.
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  61. It's a model and cannot in the time provided address the important issues you raise, but is still useful as a way to think in generalisations. Modernity is transactional so 'market-value' has a use as a heuristic device. Of course at the individual level multiple variables come into play. The lack of psychological development is all too true. But it belongs to another domain of analysis.
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  62.  @lari5891  Most couples break up so fail at what you are suggesting? The majority of long-term relationships fail. Hell, 50% of marriages (the most formally committed of relationships) fail. Of the marriages that do not end in divorce, many are unhappy. It is absolutely objectively the case that most 'couples' do NOT develop value together. So please go with evidence, data, statistics etc. rather than waffling about ideals.
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  63.  @lari5891  I doubt you have a PhD in psychology because your writings are full of spelling and grammatical errors and you make illogical inferences and extrapolations that are not supported by data. No PhD would argue the way you do based on wrong data, incorrect inference and gross errors. You said "most couples develop value together". I pointed out that most LTRs fail, so it cannot be said that most 'couples' develop value together, taking LTRs as the designated example of 'couples'. Perhaps they develop some value in the short-term but as they fail, the value is questionable. I then took marriage as the pinnacle of 'couples', insofar as marriage represents the most formal and socially endorsed 'coupling' available. As 50% of these also fail, your assertion that 'most couples develop value together' must be wrong. LTRs plus marriage ending in break-up or divorce = most couples do NOT develop value together. You ask what does divorce have to do with that? Well, if a couple breaks up or divorces, then by definition the relationship has failed, therefore you cannot assert that most couples build value. Clearly, most do not. Most couples fail at building value. The divorce rates rise significantly the more the woman is educated. If a woman has a Batchelor's degree from college, she will be the one to initiate divorce in 90% of cases. You are dead wrong in asserting the divorce rate is 30% among the educated. The doctor is trying to speak to women about their relationship strategies. It is an uphill tasks because many women (like you) are incapable of drawing correct conclusions from data and concepts, instead you react emotionally because you don't like the facts. Admit it, you don't have a PhD in psychology. If you do, you got it from the university of delusion.
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  64. In general, men offer marriage, and have to be persuaded the benefits. This is increasingly not the case.
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  65. Hypergamy is off the scale in China where selective female infanticide has resulted in a hugely biased sex ratio with fewer women than men. Their reproductive rates have cratered.
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