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Comments by "Dharmadasa" (@dharmadasa66) on "Women and ACCEPTABLE LOSS: the other side of female hypergamy" video.
@clauaome25 Indeed. And so have men. So it should be. But men have figured out that women have stopped providing value and men are expected to continue to provide value, so the equation does not balance any more. That is what the whole discussion between the genders is about.
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@14margott The reason men are no longer able to win a decent women's respect, love, affection etc. is because there are now very, very few decent women to provide such.
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It is describing the reality, which is increasingly transactional, and men are waking up to the fact that women provide much less value than they used to. Heterosexual relationships are increasingly a power struggle since feminism turned them into that.
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@haroldb1856 Until the divorce which is a 50% certainty.
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"Provided each one follows their roles"......and women's roles have changed massively, while men's remain the same. Women are no longer required to play a supportive role, and don't (in general).
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Put that question to the women and feminists who demand 'equality' while not providing it. Men are calculating the benefit/cost ratio and walking away.
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Those are inputs to a healthy relationship. The actual outcomes are 50% divorce, and refusal by women to provide their role while demanding men provide theirs.
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And we are in a dating stock market crash to be followed by a severe depression, so men are bailing out to cut losses.
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@BasementBerean Except the State has intervened massively in the markets eg divorce laws. So we do not have ideal free markets as the cost/benefit calculus is massive distorted in favour of women. Also, the benefits provided traditionally by women tend to be less tangible or reducible to contract. So they can be withheld post-contract without accountability.
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All this is changing. Dating and marriage are way down and loss of both tangible and intangible value is the reason.
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@АртоВэнтьфорт Reproduction is in marked decline. The traditional role of women has changed but that of men has not.
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And the perception of gain is massively being re-evaluated by men, as conditions have changed and women no longer provide the value they used to, especially on the psychological front.
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Which is happening less and less as women leave their traditional roles. Western societies, China, Brazil and many other countries have way way lower reproductive rates. So this 'loss' is disappearing. Also, as a loss it is offset by the gains a women wishes for in having kids. Men used to also benefit from this unpaid input from women but the cost to them is rising with divorce and loss of parental and reproductive rights. This all feeds into the cost/benefit analysis which men are very good at.
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@ah6439 I agree, but 'modernity' is rearing its head elsewhere, including India. We are going down the same path pretty much everywhere.
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As women initiate 80% of divorces, 90% if she has a college degree, and women are overwhelmingly awarded prime custody and significant assets, it is clear that your arguments refer to the behaviour of women seeking resources and children from men and not the other way around.
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@BasementBerean Thanks. Aside from divorce laws, massive government intervention supports women regardless of their inputs and rewards bad behaviour (single mothers, low productivity, useless degrees, dependency on the State etc.). That is why governments bribe voters, especially women. That is why feminism is government policy.
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Yes, but most modern relationships fail. You are describing an ideal, not the reality.
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When the divorce happens (50% probability) your assets will be hers. Your experience of the intangible benefits can change with no recourse. It happens all the time.
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Are the divorce rates on the increase in Europe as women make more than their husbands ?
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And that is why men are no longer hiring to use your analogy.
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As we are talking about broad social phenomena here, is it your thesis that the majority of heterosexual relationships are predicated on domestic abuse? If so, what is your position on psychological abuse vs. physical abuse, and what is the distribution of perpetrators vs. victims across the genders? Does resource exploitation without providing equivalent value in return constitute abuse and who does it? Are relationships a form of value exchange and has the value changed recently? If so, where has the change come from? Are we seeing a phenomenon under discussion here that in general men now perceive much less value in relationships and are addressing it by not participating? Do they have the right to do so?
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@ericlarousse1149 In other words, you accept that women's goal is the resource exploitation of men. With 'equality', should that change?
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