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  701.  @legendarygodzilla3577  A long reply once again showing your inherent bias. But I will feed the troll this time too. 1. Contrary to Jewish opinion that Jews were always the majority and real owners of land for the past 2800 years ish, they were not the only party in that area. Arabs were a party too. The same Arabs - who were hoodwinked by French and Brits - to backstab Ottomans in order to get an independent united Arab kingdom/republic as a reward. That agreement did not include awarding a homeland to Jews in the heart of Middle East (perhaps the most strategic location). Without the help of Arabs, Brits and French would have a hard time conquering Middle East, especially since the horrible defeat of AnZac at Dardanelles strait. So, understandably, Brits were trying to do some damage control with the ban of Jewish Aliyah. Perhaps, they also wanted Arabs to not support German cause during WW2. Without Aliyah, the amount of Jewish citizens in that region would be in thousands at best. And contrary to stupid Israeli belief, there would be no Israel without British empire. Israel was founded as a result of Balfour declaration. Infact, I also believe that dragging Ottomans into WW1 was a Jewish conspiracy all along but there is no need to go that far. 2. I'd guessed that you would go on your anti-Arab rant in my response. For one, Ummayads had taken over leadership and they were racist to non-Arab Muslims too. Secondly, Arabs weren't the only ones in control of Palestine. That land went from Rashidun to Umayyads to Abbasids to Crusaders to Ayyubids to Ottomans. 5 different Muslim empires controlled that land. Applying Umayyads rules to other 4 Muslim empires shows how ridiculously ignorant you are. And I told you to mention any specific instance where Muslims established apartheid against Jews. Your long rant didn't establish apartheid at all. Do you know what apartheid even means? Are you a 4th grader by any chance? Stop wasting my precious time.
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  1529.  @andytheshizno4501  While Jon T was wrong in underestimating Japan, you're even more wrong. Let me explain: "A) Look at how Soviets performed in Afghanistan and Chechnya". First of all, Soviets performed in Afghanistan not Chechnya. Russia fought in Chechnya. Soviets performed much better than NATO coalition in Afghanistan. Ask any tribal leader in Afghanistan who fought both sides. Soviets were only demoralized after CIA provided stingers to Mujahideen. That is when their complete domination stopped. On the other hand, NATO and NATO trained ANA troops were much easier to deal with. As far as Chechnya saga is concerned, Russia was going through a terrible transition. And most of Russian soldiers were conscripts having literally no experience of any war. And Chechens are one of the most hardcore people on earth. They have this unexplainable attraction to violence. These Chechens emboldened ISIS in Syria and made it at least 10 times stronger than it should have been. 'B) Iraq was the 7th largest millitary power, on the other side of the border with loads of Soviet Equipment'. Iraq was 5th largest millitary on earth in 91' not 7th. And Iraq couldn't even defeat Iran which mostly had upper hand during 8 year long war. That is what prompted Iraqis to use chemical weapons on Iranian troops. Besides, US coalition - which had almost 30 countries - fought Iraq on Kuwaiti deserts. Most of the Iraqi troops and tanks were sitting ducks for USAF. All US had to do was destroy air defence system of Iraq which US did successfully. That was impressive. NATO has superior air power. Nobody denies this. Airpower is where US millitary derives its strength from. While Iraq was strong for its size and resources, it was still nothing compared to US especially when US went to Kuwait with its allies.
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  2507.  @Raseef38801  I know right. Look at these Westerners with their exceptionalism and arrogance. That'll be their downfall. Too arrogant to properly estimate their foe. That's what got them spanked in the ass by Arabs in 600's, Salahuddin when he liberated Palestine and Ottomans when Constantinople was lost for good. Always underestimating others. Look at US with its never ending wars in the Middle East. Yes, it got rid of Saddam because unfortunately, Saddam had no allies. (Russia was weak; honestly speaking, it was a very good move from Putin not to veto the iraq invasion. These Western supermacists thought Russia is no longer a threat. Lmao. And China, at least at that time, had no interest in fighting miles away). USA, to this day, hasn't been able to find any political solution for Iraq. Instead, they even lost it to Iran and subsequently Russia. Look at Afghanistan. 19 years of war. Couldn't manage to undermine Taliban millitarily. Put the blame on Pakistan. Attacked Chaklala base and killed 30+ soldiers. For what? China barged in and signed CPEC. And now Pakistan is out of Western camp. The most important ally in the cold war which did the most to counter Soviets - from bringing China and America closer in 1971 to literally doing dirty work on behalf of America in Afghanistan - supports China and Russia now. And these EU nationalists think NATO and Western supermacy can survive without these minor/middle yet important nations ike Pakistan and Turkey. Haha. One guy even asked, "Will you die for Pakistan?" Haha. He needs to have a cup of tea with US and NATO soldiers who have returned from Afghanistan. They don't even realize that poor countries have often very little to loose in case of war. They should have learnt that from Vietnamese farmers and Taliban. Macron even threatens Putin. Haha. Threatening Erdogan makes sense but Putin? Hahahaha.
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  3060.  @BadDictator  "Since before the war, the People's Republic of China had been a major military associate of Pakistan and a military opponent of India, with whom it had fought a brief war in 1962. China had also become a foreign patron for Pakistan and had given Pakistan $60 million in development assistance in 1965. During the war, China openly supported the Pakistani position. It took advantage of the conflict to issue a strongly worded ultimatum to India condemning its "aggression" in Tibet and hinting at nuclear retaliation by China (China had exploded its first nuclear device the previous year). Despite strong fears of Chinese intervention on the side of Pakistan, the Chinese government ultimately exercised restraint. This was partly due to the logistical difficulties of a direct Chinese military intervention against India and India's improved military strength after its defeat by China in 1962. China had also received strong warnings by the American and Soviet governments against expanding the scope of the conflict by intervening. In the face of this pressure, China backed down, extending the deadline for India to respond to its ultimatum and warning India against attacking East Pakistan. Ultimately, Pakistan rejected Chinese offers of military aid, recognising that accepting it would only result in further alienating Pakistan internationally. International opinion considered China's actions to be dangerously reckless and aggressive, and it was soundly rebuked in the world press for its unnecessarily provocative stance during the conflict."
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  3458. Question Is there consensus that the Earth is round? If there is, then what is the evidence from the Qur’an or Sunnah that the Earth is round or egg shaped? Answer Praise be to Allah. More than one of the scholars have narrated that there is consensus that the Earth is round. For example:  Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated that from Abu’l-Husayn ibn al-Munaadi (may Allah have mercy on him), when he said:  Imam Abu’l-Husayn Ahmad ibn Ja‘far ibn al-Munaadi narrated from the prominent scholars who are well known for knowledge of reports and major works in religious sciences, from the second level of Ahmad’s companions, that there was no difference of opinion among the scholars that the sky is like a ball.  He said: Similarly they were unanimously agreed that the Earth, with all that is contains of land and sea is like a ball. He said: That is indicated by the fact that the sun, moon and stars do not rise and set over those who are in different parts of the earth at the same time; rather that occurs in the east before it occurs in the west. End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (25/195)  He (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about two men who disputed about the nature of heaven and earth: were they both round bodies? One of them said that they were, but the other denied that and said there is no basis for that. What is the correct view?  He replied:  The heavens are round, according to the Muslim scholars. More than one of the scholars and Muslim leaders narrated that the Muslims are unanimously agreed on that, such as Abu’l-Husayn Ahmad ibn Ja‘far ibn al-Munaadi, one of the leading figures among the second level of the companions of Imam Ahmad, who wrote approximately four hundred books. Consensus on this point was also narrated by Imam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm and Abu’l-Faraj ibn al-Jawzi. The scholars narrated that with well-known chains of narration (isnaads) from the Sahaabah and Taabi‘een, and they quoted that from the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger. They discussed that in detail with orally-transmitted evidence. There is also mathematical evidence to that effect, and I do not know of anyone among the well-known Muslim scholars who denied that, apart from a few of those who engaged in arguments who, when they debated with the astrologers denied it for the sake of argument and said: It may be square or hexagonal and so on. They did not deny that it could be round, but they said that the opposite of that was possible. I do not know of anyone who said that it is not round – with any certainty – apart from some ignorant people to whom no one pays any attention. End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (6/586)  Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Evidence for the earth being round:  Abu Muhammad said: We are going to discuss some of the arguments against the idea that the earth is round. They said: There is sound evidence that the earth is round, but the common folk say otherwise. Our response – and Allah is the source of strength – is that none of the leading Muslim scholars who deserve to be called imams or leaders in knowledge (may Allah be pleased with them) denied that the earth is round, and there is no narration from them to deny that. Rather the evidence in the Qur’an and Sunnah stated that it is round. … and he quoted evidence to that effect. End quote from al-Fasl fi’l-Milal wa’l-Ahwa’ wa’l-Nihal (2/78)  The evidence that the earth is round includes the following:  Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “He created the heavens and earth for a true purpose; He wraps the night around the day and the day around the night” [az-Zumar 39:5].  Ibn Hazm and others quoted this verse as evidence.  Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The earth is round, based on the evidence of the Qur’an, reality, and scientific views.  The evidence of the Qur’an is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “He created the heavens and earth for a true purpose; He wraps the night around [yukawwir] the day and the day around the night” [az-Zumar 39:5]. The word yukawwir (translated here as “wraps around” means to make something round, like a turban. It is well-known that night and day follow one another on earth, which implies that the Earth is round, because if you wrap one thing around another thing, and the thing that it is wrapped around is the Earth, then Earth must be round.  With regard to real-life evidence, this has been proven. If a man were to fly from Jeddah, for example, heading west, he would come back to Jeddah from the east, if he flew in a straight line. This is something concerning which no one differs.  With regard to the words of the scholars, they stated that if a man died in the west at sunset, and another died in the west at sunset, and there was some distance between them, the one who died in the west at sunset would inherit from the one who died in the east at sunset, if he was one of his heirs. This indicates that the earth is round, because if the earth were flat, sunset in all regions would occur at the same time. Once this is established, no one can deny it. This is not contradicted by the verses in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):  “Do they not look at the camels, how they are created? And at the heaven, how it is raised? And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm? And at the earth, how it is spread out?” [al-Ghaashiyah 88:17-20] Because the Earth is huge and its curvature cannot be seen from a short distance, it appears to be spread out and one cannot see anything that would make one fear living on it, but this does not contradict the fact that it is round, because it is very big. However they say that it is not evenly round; rather it is indented or pushed in at the north and south poles. Hence they say that it is egg-shaped. End quote from Fataawa Noor ‘ala ad-Darb  Thus it is known that the Earth is round, and that is not contradicted by the fact that it is like an egg. Rather the false view is that which claims that it is flat, as the Church used to believe and for that reason used to curse and burn those scientists who said that it was round.  See: al-‘Almaaniyyah: Nash’atuha wa Tatawwuruha (1/130)  And Allah knows best.
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  3636. @magicblanket Zia ul Haq had threatened Rajiv Gandhi with nuclear retaliation in 1984. Pakistan had all the know how of operating nuclear facilities and developing nuclear grade weapons at that time. Additionally, Pakistan has always had a pretty strong millitary for its size and influence. It is at the 10th spot even now - stronger than most European countries. America had sold F16s to Pakistan. USSR, along with Afghanistan air force, tried to bomb Mujahideen camps inside Pakistan multiple times. Pakistan air force came out on top in all of the skirmishes. They even caught Societ pilot who later became vice president of USSR/Russia. Look it up. Plus US, China, UK, Saudi Arabia all were behind Pakistan. Even Israel was behind Pakistan lmao. Yes, USSR could have easily invaded Pakistan though they were taking losses by those sand dwellers in Afghanistan lol. So intelligent of you to even come up with this hillarious assertion. USSR had played a major role in breaking Pakistan into two in 1971. Pakistan, in return, brought US and China on the same table. USSR lost cold war that year. USSR was already supporting separatist movements in Pakistan's Western provinces. Stop being so smart. Do you seriously think USSR or USA didn't come up with the options you're suggesting? You must be one of those know-it-all Westerners. Of course Pakistan doesn't have range to hit any NATO country. Why would it anyway? It will most likely bomb countries housing US bases in the region. US cannot invade North Korea. Why? Because nuclear weapons. Stop being delusional. Russia recently gave blank cheque to Pakistan on CPEC. It has offered millitary assistance. China-Pakistan relations are well know. Both China and Russia wanted USA to fail in Afghanistan since the start. Don't put too much pressure on your brain, honey. Thank Pakistan for saving American face in Afghanistan. We have given you a safe exit from Afghanistan. Be grateful.
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  4478.  @annunakian8054  'Those countries you mentioned had tyrannical governments'. Yes. Those governments initially supported by the West. Saddam was supported by West in Iraq-Iran war. Qaddafi was supported by West initially. Gulf monarchies are supported by West and they are responsible for spreading extremism across Muslim countries. Those shitty borders were drawn by UK and France as well. And West doesn't have the monoply on science. Multiple civilizations throughout history contributed to science. West copied all literature from Arabic sources. Arabs had copied literarure from Greeks and Persians and excelled in science during Islamic golden age. Even at this moment, Asians (Japanese + South Koreas + Chinese + Jews) contribute equally if not more to science. West is only good at making devastating weapons lmao. Western universities and MNCs are full of foreigners as well. If anything, globalism has helped maintain Western hegemony on global stage. But of course, dull white europeans are mad about it as foreigners tend to excel in engineering and medical fields in Western countries. The simple reason for this is racism and white supremacy. But trust me, I see China and Russia as key players to break this hegemony on world stage. Thrown Iran in the mix too. European continent has no resources whatsoever. That is why European countries loot those resources from other parts of the world. You hate Muslims yet you want their oil lmao. Oil embargo in 1973 showed you your reality. And it was Muslims who fought decisive battles against commies and helped halt their advance.
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  5417.  @ha-kx9we  Russia would neutralize any advance via Eastern Europe or Balkan states. Iran regularly targets US bases via rocket strikes in Iraq. What makes you think Russia can't do this? Iranian missile technology has been reverse engineered from Russian scuds. If you do not know this, educate yourself. Houthis dodge Patriot defense system in Saudi Arabia. Hamas dodges Israeli iron dome in Israel. Russia won't be able to do this? Lmao. You seriously hate Russia to make these ignorant claims. Russian youth doesn't like Putin? So what? Oligarchy does. Russia is an authoritarian state. Do you think Putin cares if people don't like him? Lmao. You have absolutely no clue about ww2. Educate yourself. Russia lost in Afghanistan? So did USA. Thanks to asymmetric warfare as you already pointed out. And no, USA won't cover Russian land fast. Jeez. Look at map of Russia. Good luck crossing deserts fast. Do you think Russia would give up Moscow or Kremlin just like that? Oof. Tactical nukes have limited collateral damage. Russia can absolutely use them on its own soil on US troops if they manage to penetrate. Why would US reply with nukes? US soil isn't being attacked. If it does, Russia has more nukes anyway. US is all talk and no walk against a nuclear armed country. It even fears North Korea lol. US could not remove Assad in Syria because Assad had the backing of Russia. They came close to a brink of war multiple times but US backed off each time like a little boy. Russia annexed Crimea in a couple of hours? What did NATO do? Tell me. This channel has a video on China vs USA in Indo-Pacific. Watch that video and see for yourself why missiles are such a big threat to US navy. Even if US sends 10 aircraft carriers with hundreds of sub-marines, Russia will still deter naval aggression. Look up what happened in 1971 when US and UK came in Bay of Bengal.
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  5655.  @legendarygodzilla3577  1. Aliyah didn't start in 1900s. It started in 1880s, clown. That is when Jews started building up their numbers in Palestine. Before that, they were always a minority. And it was actually Arabs who nullified the Roman policy of insignificant number of Jews in Hold Land. Muslims allowed Jews to resettle in 7th century. Zionists first went to Ottoman Sutlan Abdul Hamid to grant them a homeland but the offer was rejected. Then, Jews started buying property in Palestine which is when Aliyah started too. 2. Of course, I would exclude Jewish participation against Ottomans because it was such an insignificant event that no one mentions it. Everyone mentions Lawrance of Arabia and Arab betrayl. Turks to this day blame Arabs for the backstab. They even ally with Israel to punish Arabs (in their own moronic way). This was true until Erdogan came into power. Turkey is still the biggest trading partner of Israel in Middle East. So, in short, Jewish participation in that event is pointless. And you made a strawman yourself, clown. Not once did I mention that without Arab betrayl, Brits and French would have lost to Ottomans. I merely compared the event with Gallipoli campaign to prove that Turks knew how to fight and Brits and French would have a hard time defeating Turks in Arab world. The situation would have gone in European favour because of superior technology and resources. But Brits still acknowledged help of Arabs to the point they promised to make them independent after the war. 3. Brits made Israel. Everyone admits and acknowledges it. Without Brits in the scene, European refugees (that is what ashkenazis are) wouldn't even be able to land in that region. This is further corroborated by the fact that Ziomists first went to Ottomans for a homeland. They only went to Brits after their offer was rejected. Also, people of Moses genocided Cananites to obtain that land. The history is just repeating itself. And it was their own moronic ways that turned Romans against them. Kicked out of 109 places, not once was their fault. Lmfao clown. 4. What did other empires do after conquering other places? Clown. Muslims never once tried to eliminate entire population to further their goals. That is in contrast to what Jews did in the past and what they are doing now. That is in contrast to what white Christians did too (North America, Australia, Spain, Jerusalem twice). 5. No answer to the horrible depiction of goys in Talmud. Obviously, you can't answer that.
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  7125. ​ @therobbstonestar ​ You are wrong on so many accounts: 1. The term Palestine, or Phillistines, first appears in the histories of Herodotus in roughly 5th century BCE. Romans didn't invent this name. They borrowed it from Herodotus. 2. The whole region was referred to as 'Canaan' in Mesopotamian texts and trade records found at Ebla and Mari as early as 18th century BCE. 3. The area knows as Transjordan or Syria or Levant wasn't just part of Ottoman empire. It was part of various Muslim empires before that. 4. Egypt's Suez canal was never in any calculation of Brits whatsoever. What kind of ahistorical propaganda is this? Brits promised Arabs their own single independent Arab state/caliphate if they helped Brits defeat Ottomans. When Arabs did that, Brits offered the 'Holy land' to Jews in Balfour declaration in 1917. Brits signed two separate agreements with two different parties and then proceeded to carve Middle East with France as spoils of war in what became knows as Skyes-Picot agreement. Suez canal was never in caluclation. Controlling entire Middle East and newly discovered oil in those Arab states was. 5. This is again clownish propaganda straight out of apartheid regime of Israel. Hamas initially targeted Israeli millitary base overseeing Gaza. 13th and 51st Golani brigades were beaten by Hamas in a standup fight. Even by Israeli admission, Hamas killed 45% millitary personnel. Hamas leadership claims they never intended to target civillians (the claim is to be taken with a grain of salt). Hamas had no idea about rave festival either because that event had moved to that location two days prior to the attack. Also, IdF adopted Hannibal doctrine and mercilessly fired at its own civillians. Israeli survivors of that festival are claiming this. At least two Shin Bet members have come out and claimed that Israeli appaches fired hellfire missiles at Be'eri Kibutzim. Middle East Eye has uploaded those interviews. Go check.
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  9143.  @vivekaugustine9583   'wIdEr aRaB wOrLd' Nobody gives a shit about Arab world. You are completely irrelevant and Arab countries produce more extremists than Pakistan ever will. And what do you know about Afghanistan-Pakistan tensions? Geo-strategic gains lol. Afghanistan doesn't accept Durand line as a legitimate border while the whole world does. Afghanistan started proxy wars in the region when it started backing separatist elements in KPK. Afghan leaders made coups against different factions in government and invited USSR to sort out the mess. USSR had played a major role in secession of Bangladesh. Considering all that, Pakistan should have just allowed itself to get sandwiched between USSR occupied Afghanistan and India. Lmfao. And Kashmir is unfinished business between Pakistan and India since partition. Majority of Kashmir population (about 70%) is Muslim and pro-Pakistan. India is occupying this region against the will of the people. Pakistan isn't going to just sit back and let India change demography in the region. We don't fear anyone unlike Arabs who let Israel change demographics of occupied Palestine. Pakistan gets owned by India which is 6 times larger than Pakistan and has 7 times more people has 10 times more GDP. Imagine attacking Israel all at once and getting your asses handed back to you multiple times. Pakistanis could never relate. Ottomans had you under control and there was peace. Now you are getting frocked by Persians (Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq), Turks (Libya and Syria), Russia (Syria and Libya) and NATO (whole Middle East lmfao). Sunni Arabs and Shia Arabs can't even tolerate each other. Who is a stain on the Islamic world by the way? Pakistan? Ohyh sure. (I'm assuming you're an Arab).
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  9327.  @slappyfun  Also, to respond your earlier comment which I didn't see, Muslims are not a monolith, either culturally, ethnically or even religiously. You will come across Turks, Indonesians and Malaysians who are all progressive and secular. You will come across Salafis in Gulf region who believe in literal interpretation of the text (look up wahabbism; I am not throwing all Salafis under the bus). You will come across Afghans who mix Islam with Pashtunwali code (Pashtun culture). You will come across Iranians who are Shia and have their own doctrine (politically entirely different and religiously a bit different). You may come across Azerbycanese who are Shias but they are allied with Israel. You can go to individual Muslim countries and find conservatives and liberals just like Western countries (Egypt and Pakistan, for example). So it is not a monolith at all. Even in Palestine, you have Palestinians with different views. Hamas led Gaza is conservative. PLO led West Bank is less conservative. Muslims do have proper instructions regarding warfare. They are strictly prohibited to touch non-combatants, children, women, elderly and are prohibited to kill cattle and burn crops. I am not saying Muslims have never acted against teachings of Islam. They have, especially Wahabbis, with their evil manifestation in the form of Al-Qaeda, Daesh, Taliban, Boko Haram etc. etc. People look at these organizations and issue a blanket statement that this is what Islam teaches and this is what Muslims are like, as a whole. All in all, I have found Palestinians to be very patient people, and I am saying this as a Pakistani. Pakistan's former prime minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto remarked in 1970s that Israel is lucky it isn't neighbouring Pakistan (look up Mumbai attacks - 2008). Pakistanis, especially Pashtuns, would not be so patient if Israelis were treating them like they are treating Palestinians.
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  9461.  @welingkartr416  Hahhahahaha you just described America lmao. Accurate description. 'I know, especially when even the 'brave ones' with nukes and munitions, either run away or try to bribe their way out of conflict'. Well. USA ran away from Vietnam. USA is also running away from Afghanistan and literally begged Pakistan in 2018 to convince Taliban to come to table for negotiations. Pakistan complied. America created these groups in 80s to counter Soviets in Afghanistan. Then left Pakistan on its own to deal with these groups because Pakistan was building nuclear weapons. Their own guy, Osama, turned against them because of Gulf war. Though I don't buy the official narrative of twin tower bombing, that was the result of US building millitaty bases inside Muslim nations and enforcing crippling sanctions on Iraq which killed 500000 children. Pakistan suffered massively because of this bogus war on terror. 70k lives lost, 125 billion $ lost due to terrorism and subsequent cut in investments and halt in business practices. And what did Pakistan get in return? Only 20bn$ worth millitary aid (you have to buy American weapons). This is literally peanuts. On top of that, US pur anti-Pakistan goverment in Afghanistan and let India establish its foothold there. America did all of these things and expected Pakistan to be loyal to its cause? Lol hahahahhahaha. Pakistan has Russia and China on its back. All regional players want US out of Afghanistan. That will happen. Millitary establishment has had good relations with Pentagon since 50s so that's the reason they are giving Americans a safe passage out. If it were for me, I would have choked them in Afghanistan. Well that still happened. China is now a rival superpower and Russia has managed to gain back its lost strength. No one takes US serious now - not even Europe. (Angela Merkel is an example).
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  10448. @magicblanket Muh Iran. Never a reliable route anyway. Those Persians change their minds pretty fast. US learnt that in 1979. Didn't it? Of course, Pakistan wasn't the sole route. Uzbekstan and Tajisktan helped. So did Iran, ironically. Afghanistan took a toll on USSR's economy. It wasn't even stable in Afghanistan. Why would it attack a US ally? You're making it look like Pakistan was alone in training and funding Mujahideen against USSR. Whatever technology USSR might have come up with, West would have supported Pakistan with better weapons. USSR had no answer to stinger missiles? Have you forgotten? All speculation on your part. And yes. Sorry for using the world ally for Pakistan. US doesn't have allies. It has puppets. The puppets it uses and tosses away when they fulfill their purpose. Pressler Ammendment act is engraved on our minds. Russia/USSR didn't object to Pakistan's nuclear programme. China didn't object to it. France didn't. Yet US did. Wow. The only reason Pakistan joined Western camp was to get Kashmir back and protect US interests in the region. But US was so keen on maintaining balance that it sanctioned Pakistan after Indo-Pak war in 1965. Pakistan learnt pretty quickly that US was not to be trusted anymore. Pakistan allowed US (not exactly allowed. Ironically, Pakistan's first PM was shot dead for resisting US' demands. Pretty strange right?) to use Peshawar base for spying operations against USSR. Result? USSR turned against Pakistan. We made an enemy which would have hardly posed any threat to us had it not been for us sitting in US lap. (USSR did want access to Karachi and Gawadar port though. Pakistan denied because muh US). USSR responded harshly; it trained and funded Mukti Bahini and threatened China, US and UK to not attack India. Pakistan lost its Eastern wing lol. US didn't deliver the order of 20 F16s even though we had paid for them. Spare parts were not sold. US ordered its European puppets not to sell Pakistan anything. We couldn't use our air force against India in 1999 because we had no answer to MIG 29s and Mirage 2000s. Yet US expected us to fully support them in Afghanistan when US had installed an anti-Pakistan puppet regime in Kabul; when US had allowed India to build 14 consulates in Afghanistan; when US had left us alone in 90s to sort out the mess in Afghanistan ourselves. Who tf do you think you are son? If you want puppets who don't object to anything you say, go to Gulf region or South East Asia. Pakistanis aren't stupid. We look for our own interests. Not to forget US enabled Pakistani millitary to take over all civillian institutions and impose 4 martial laws. Trust me, had I been in charge of ISI operations in Afghanistan, I would have made sure US picked way more body bags it did otherwise. You should seriously thank Pakistani establishment for still listening to your demands and bringing Taliban on table.
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  11549. @Landen Denisenko Obviously no sane man can come to terms with the fact that bunch of sandal wearing cavemen in Afghanistan managed to take down twin towers. It was an inside job. Pakistan was under severe sanctions because of nuclear program. America offered Pakistan a new partnership in the wake of 'war on terror'. There was a millitary rule and Musharraf - an American puppet - was President. We provided bases to NATO to oust Taliban regime which they did. Afghanistan and Pakistan have same ethnicity living on both sides of the border - Pukhtoons. There was no barbed wiring on border which the Afghanistan government doesn't even accept. (Durand line. British colonized India and signed an agreement with Afghan ruler at that time that British would govern Indian Western side which was originally Afghan territory. When Britain left, Pakistan inherited that territory. Afghanistan refused to accept the border and wanted lands back despite the Pukhtoon population on Pakistani side wanting to be part of Pakistan. Pakistan joined Western camp and Afghanistan was USSR ally. Then Soviets invaded Afghanistan and Pakistan - being a Western ally - felt threatened as on one side, there was India and on other side, Soviets. (Soviets and India had collaborated in 71' to make Bangladesh a separate country). So Pakistan started Afghan Jihad with the help of Saudis, USA, UK and China. Soviets were ousted. Pakistan used this opportunity to develop nuclear weapons as well. USA got angry and put harsh sanctions as a result. Civil war ensued in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported newly formed Taliban as they were pro-Pakistan. They came to rule in 96' and ruled for 5 years before being ousted by NATO coalition. Pukhtoons are fierce warriors. They don't bow down to foreign rule. They kept fighting. West blames Pakistan for covertly supporting them. As a result of this war on terror, Pakistan suffered 70k civillian casualties and about 14k soldiers died. On top of that, Pakistan suffered a loss of 130bn$ as there was no foreign investment because of terrorism. There was no tourism as well. Some Pakistanis believe America wanted to create havoc in Pakistan to force it to give up its nuclear weapons. (Because coughs Isreal feels threatened by a Muslim nation in possession of nukes *coughs*) Trump made peace with Taliban but there is a danger that Biden - having war hawks in administration and we all know the role of millitary industrial complex in American foreign policy - would try to reverse Trump's initiatives. That also means Syria and Iraq are in danger, again. We might see a war with Iran too. Millitary rules Pakistan and now, citizens are turning against them because of all the mess they have created. (Millitary is the sole uniting factor in Pakistan). So now there is a threat of Balkanization as we are again in cross hairs because we are an ally of China and BRI starts from Pakistan.
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