Comments by "Emanon" (@Emanon...) on "US recognition of Israel’s claim over the Golan Heights" video.
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Ah the classic anti-semite argument for criticizing Israel. Except I have jewish friends, and we both hate Israel. It's about human dignity and ultimately what is right.
"Fair and square", okay, if you say so. So you're arguing "right by conquest"?
That means, I guess, if another powerful nation invaded Israel and deported every single Israeli, that it would be perfectly fine, right?
You've just legitimized the destruction of Israel to all it's enemies. Just your own logic.
That's why we have agreed on international rules. They are not always followed, I grant you that, but Israel is among the top contenders for international violations. And no, you're not a democracy if you have a privileged class based on ethnicity, a 2nd class minority and 3rd class citizens with no rights whatsoever in illegally occupied land.
I think the only dumb thing is your lack of historical knowledge. The Philistines were there back then too, buddy. Who do you think the Israelites were fighting back then?
But if you want to open the "historic" can of worms, that means that 2/3 of you should return to Europe and Russia. You're not semites. You're not Israelites. You're "just" Jews. Big difference. If you don't believe me, do a 23 & Me if you're a "European" Israeli. I fucking dare you.
PS: I before you get your yamukkah and curls all spinning, I have no love for Egypt, Syria, Saudis, Iran and UAE too. I'm not biased in my criticism of injustice and human rights abuse. I hope one day you can see that it's not because you're jewish or from Israel. I'm calling you out because your policies are the policies of racism and supremacy.
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You really don't grasp the idea of discussion, do you? I'm showing you examples of how ridiculous your points are. Guess that military training really washes away your imagination and critical thinking, ehh SteinBergBaumGoldRubin?
Funny you should bring up the Geneva Convention - which is about protecting civilians in engagements - not rules of diplomacy.
How many times just this week has Israel broken the Geneva convention? "Butterfly" rounds, Journalists, Medical personnel, Protesting families getting killed... Annexation is illegal by international law. eg. Crimea. Period.
Palestinians (Why do you keep calling them Arabs?) are discriminated against and receive way less public funding in their areas in Israel. Look up what neutral observers and NGO's have said.
I wouldn't trust a single word from Bibi if I were you... And, yes I have been to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, seen it for myself, and spoken to numerous people.
The Germany thing was an example of your ridiculous reasoning. If jewish is not about blood, how come then, that african jews are treated so poorly in Israel? Can I get Israeli citizenship if I convert then? If so how can you prove that I actually believe in Judaism?
My point is not that you would win a war. You would 100%, especially if Daddy US is coming to your help everytime.
But how long do you think that a country of 10 million will remain a regional superpower against larger neighbours? Wouldn't it be better to seek a compromise peace now and start living, toelrating and trading? I'm saying this because the current policies are sacrificing the future of Israel for political and territorial gains today.
Good luck. As of right now you're showing the world what you are: An arrogant and supremacist people that views other lives as worth less than your own.
One more thing: You people are the most obnoxious travellers in the world. Tell your friends, talk to them. But I guess it's difficult to change if you believe you're better than everyone else and at the same time every one is out to get you... As I said, good luck.
PS: "Eurofags" hahaha... So are you part of Europe or not? Calling me a Fag while having the gay capital of Tel Aviv seems a bit much, no? Again, ease up on the "soap in the shower" military thinking, bro...
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Golan: (from Wiki)
Israeli settlement activity began in the 1970s. The area was governed by military administration until 1981 when Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, which extended Israeli law and administration throughout the territory.[11] This move was condemned by the United Nations Security Council in UN Resolution 497,[2][12] although Israel states it has a right to retain the area, citing the text of UN Resolution 242, adopted after the Six-Day War, which calls for "safe and recognised boundaries free from threats or acts of force".[13] The continued Israeli control of the Golan Heights remains highly contested and is still regarded as belligerent occupation by most countries . The international community rejects the validity of the Golan Heights Law as an attempted annexation by force, illegal under the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions .[165] Israeli settlements and human rights policy in the occupied territory have also drawn criticism from the UN.[166][167]
You were saying? And that's just from the top of my head, not even quoting international law directly.
And if you "don't want" Gaza and the West Bank - get the fuck out, let them be, and take all the settlers with you...
No? Why not?
And here we go again with the "jew-hater". Might I then imply that you hate Arabs and Muslims? And Christians? And black people? And Arabic jews?
I criticize Israel, not Jews or Judaism. Not even the same thing. I couldn't care less about Judaism...
Final point: If 95% of the world population hates you, might it be, _just maybe_, that it's because you're a bunch of arrogant and racist assholes?
I'll be waiting with the "I told you so" in about 30 years. Unfortunately.
Until then, enjoy your apartheid society.
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Resolution 242:
(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."[4]
This was back when the US didn't blindly support Israeli actions.
Oslo Accords 1993: Full recognition of Israel and a road map to establishing a Palestinian state - Which have been denied the Palestinians on every turn.
Yes, they shouldn't accept a peace when the terms with regards to borders and Jerusalem are constantly changed by Israel.
The withdrawal from Gaza? Yeah, 20.000 settlers pulled out. And 100.000 settlers moved in to East Jerusalem. Seems legit, right?
Hamas are terrorists. And they are a problem. But so is the Israeli blockade denying people medication, fuel and ability to rebuild and access pure water. It's collective punishment of a civilian population, which is a direct violation of the Geneva convention that you hold so dear.
Killing journalists, medical personnel, civilians that were "a threat" from 300-600 meters distance? Arrests with no rights or legal protections? Using illegal rounds to cause maximum damage? White phosporous and cluster munitions used over civilian areas?
My friend, I've read the NGO reports. You should do the same.
As I said, you seem somewhat reasonable, but the language in Israel about Palestinians (which you don't even recognize as a people and nation) is directly opposite to what you say and think. It is a war of racial supremacy for Israel. Why else would you insitute a bill with this wording:
- "The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people."
- "The capital of the state: Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel."
- "Jewish settlement: The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation."
This law contradicts everything you just said with regards to an intent of peace.
I have said my part.
PS: Fuck Koh Phan Ngan, indeed...
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@Critical G:
Yet another repeated cliche that the zionists and conservatives in the US want you to swallow whole. And "Israel have the right to defend itself", right?
And every one who criticizes them "are antisemites", right? Oh please, just read up on the history of the region the last 28 years. You'll quickly see who have dealt in bad faith and reneged on every treaty (hint: It's Israel...)
Israel does exist. Palestine doesn't. Israel is an occupying country and trampling on a daily basis on Palestinian rights to property, liberty and yes, life.
Read a couple of UN reports and corroborated witness accounts from NGO's. Heck, just watch news that isn't American or British.
According to Israels actions, the Palestinians have no right to exist. There is nothing pointing to the contrary. Especially after the announcement that the "jewishness of the state" is to be preserved and that the West Bank apparently is manifest destiny from God himself. Who cares about the natives, right?
Remind you of anyone, my brother?
Lastly, you're confusing Judaism with the zionist policies of Israel. A lot of people do that. These two things are not mutually inclusive. They often do the same with Islam and Palestinians (even though 20% are christian).
Just like not all Palestinians support Hamas or support terror, not all Jews support Israel or support Israeli terrorism.
But yes, when it comes to international law, international conventions, human rights, broken treaties, UN resolutions, and just a goddamn poll in almost every single country - Israeli policy the last 30 years have turned Israel into a criminal state and a rogue element with regards to stability in the ME.
We'll see how you feel when AIPAC pushes for an invasion of Iran and thousands of American lives are lost...
You're on the wrong side of history. South Africa. Jim Crow. Nurnberg laws. Israel.
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1) Lets entirely forget the Irgun and Haganah terror before the state of Israel. Conquest does not legitimize your claim.
By your own argument, if Israel starts a war its then perfectly fine to deport and/or ethnically cleanse all Israelis? I think you just made the argument for everyone who actually wants to wipe out Israel. Own goal, brother. Own goal.
2) They didn't then, true. Because by a stroke of a pen their land was taken from them, and they were never represented or included in the process.
I would do the same if someone told me that a family was moving into my home without my consent. Everyone would do that.
3-4) Hamas are not in any way popular in Gaza. They lost the peoples support. Good.
People are denied medicine, fuel and building materials. Toys, wheelchairs, medical equipment, power cables... It's a concentration camp. Period.
Children and elderly are dying from curable diseases because the medicine is not allowed. How "humane" of Israel...
If Hamas weren't actively targeting civilians ie. terrorists, I would support their policies too. Don't give an inch to Israel, because they never uphold their deals.
Furthermore Netanyahu uses Gaza for political gains. Every single time there is a case of corruption or a scandal in his cabinet, guess what? Gaza gets bombed. Seems legit, right?
5) Again, you're confusing Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians.
Israeli uses the last 70 years of conflict to justify the last 30 years of atrocities.
Lastly, If you use the Holocaust as an argument while defending Israeli policies, I'm sorry dude, you lost the moral argument. Also ask the few Holocaust survivors about how you're treating other human beings. Ask them.
Israel is an oppressive occupying country. The blockade of Gaza is a crime against humanity. These are not controversies. Facts.
No one believes your propaganda anymore, dude.
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mor19:
I've been to the West Bank and Gaza. I've worked there as a med. student and later as a an MD for MSF. And I've been to Israel too. And met Israeli travellers in Asia (which are btw the most obnoxious people you will ever meet...)
So kindly, I know what I am talking about, and contrary to you I haven't been brainwashed by state media, nationalism, zionism and military service.
With the regards to "the Arab" (still won't recognize them as a people, I see), what the fuck has that to do with anything? I can on the top of my head mention 10 cases of killings, abuse and forceful evictions, just the last week - if thats the game you want to play.
You have to ask yourself:
Will Israel always be strong enough to not be destroyed by it's neighbours? The answer is no.
Wouldn't it be better then, to have a fair and compromise peace and start trading and living next to each other?
If France and Germany can do it, Denmark and Sweden can do it, Bosnia and Serbia can do it, then surely Israel and its neighbours can do it.
Having said that:
Until you stop building settlements, seize land, limit access to water, deny civil rights and commit killings with no accountability, then I'm afraid Israel has no legitimacy in my book. And yes, Egypt, Saudis and Syria is also hugely fucked up. It doesn't make your country less criminal.
Democracy by a privileged group and by law 2nd class citizens, is not a legitimate democracy.
You have yet to answer any of the questions with the regards to the illegality of Israeli actions in international law.
Blah blah poor poor Israelis... Cry me a river. You have nukes and a strong military. You can have a peace with Palestine if you want to. Easily.
See you in about 30 years when Israel is isolated, reviled and every jew elsewhere pays the price for it. I'm afraid that your children will also pay the price for the crimes of your country today
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