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@kd6788 still not enough. Does india have dedicated manufacturing cities like Shenzhen(Electronic), China Medical City Taizhou for examples Ok Samsung has shifted their display unit manufacturing plant to Noida but does Noida house a hundreds or thousands electronic manufacturers(system integrators, electronic component manufacturers) besides Samsung for it to be a dedicated electronic hub in india? And one company will not turn a city into a specialised hub for something. Taizhou China medical city is a dedicated medical and health care city in China. Up to now, China Medical City has gathered more than 1,200 well-known domestic and foreign pharmaceutical companies. And it's still not finish developing. City of Shenyang in China is a dedicated hub for heavy industry and industrial equipments. I know that bangalore has become a strong hub for IT and software in india. So here I can understand that hyderabad and bangalore have become a dedicated industrial city in india. But are there more cities like this in india?
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@sneedsfeed757 so in other word a subsidy but with different name?
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@dhanushgowda4061 you also need a dedicated industrial zone for an efficient manufacturing process. China has Shenzhen as electronic and technology hardware manufacturing hub. Does india has that or planning to have that?
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@dhanushgowda4061 india still doesn't have dedicated electronic hub like Shenzhen or Silicon Valley for semiconductor(once upon a time)
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@kd6788 You are going from a cities to a states. Shows that You didn't understand my point of comment here.
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@kd6788 I never once suggested india to follow China. And you are mixing things here. Evergrande problems were mainly related to real estate developments. And here we are talking about industrial development. Building a necessary and dedicated infrastructure for industries is a must. China never had any issue with it's industrial infrastructure developments. All the industrial infrastructure developments have paid them handsomely. And since when China is growing at 5% in 2022. It's just a forecast from imf. Next time make sure you understand what you read first before you look like a stupid person after saying a wrong thing. And it's going to take more than a decades before China starts to feel the effect of population stagnation. Stop taking a crack dude.
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@kd6788 does Korea produce their own Lithography machine? China does and currently they(SMEE) have shipped 28nm steppers to be tested by SMIC and YMTC. And we are still in 2022. 8 years to go before we enter the next decade. But wow China domestic SME progress is impressive. In this 8 years I believe China can supply domestic made 14nm stepper and simultaneously developing indigenous EUV machine. Thanks for reminding Chinese this ages old rubbish about IP thief. All the developments were made in house using indigenously develop IP. Even ASML director aware of what Chinese are capable and warned that all these sanctions can cause trouble for ASML in the future. And I think its only you that think it's a misconception. While many professionals(medias, think tanks, researchers, economists, industry insiders) agree that China is manufacturing champion. Yes they import more semiconductor than they export. But they also is a top producer of semiconductor and exporter of Semiconductor. Compare to india at least China has an advantage that they already can produce many kind of semiconductor they used. It's only matter of time before China domestic market being controlled by Chinese designed chips. While india has nothing of China level. You should stop thinking that india is in preferable situation. Developed nations only see india as market and not as a partner. They will not going to partner with indian companies to make many kind of semiconductor especially the high end one. But one thing they know is that india isn't ferocious and hungry like China. And india will not cross them. So the likeliness for india to create a competition to them is nil. But they still aren't going to give india an easy chance to have them. Semiconductor is a high value item. The home countries of major semiconductor companies see it as a very valuable trade item. So major semiconductor companies will follow the order from their home nation. Look at Intel or Samsung or TSMC, non of them have a plan to invest in india. India isn't doom but india also isn't going to see a boom in domestic semiconductor capability. China is a wise player in this realm.
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@alexanderphilip1809 I have low expectation for most people in india to understand the thing they talk. Even their politicians talked like an ignorant. You(if you're indian)are a few exception.
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@rudrakshsinghkatal5609 not really. Take for example india electronic export. According to media report the value of export is increasing but the outbound shipment isn't. So that tells india export looked increasing from dollar value but not on volume. Means price change effects the value of export.
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@dhanushgowda4061 I'm asking you name me the cities and not just listing the unsubstantiated things.
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@dhanushgowda4061 does chennai really a hub of semiconductor in india? How many semiconductor manufacturers locate there? How big is the output of semiconductor devices it produced?
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@dhanushgowda4061 I asked for cities and not states.
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@dhanushgowda4061 don't force him to stop. Let him settle the debate with me by himself.
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@dhanushgowda4061 I don't care whether China is superpower or not. I'm not interested in meaningless status. What I'm interested at is how China develop their industry. And how East Asian countries honor the same formula of development unlike india that think they are exceptional so that's why they are jumping straight into service industry and said they will prove to the world their different kind of development model can be successful. And now they are scrambling to enter manufacturing sector lmao. And there were blockheads that think india can challenge China and also developed countries and becoming a global manufacturing powerhouse.
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@jarjarbinks3193 that's the only few things indian know. Motorcycle is one of it. Hahaha..yeah keep drowning and glorified in your Motorcycle industry that no one really cares about but just a few developing countries. And China never said they are Motorcycle manufacturing powerhouse. So no problem with that. And I'm currently in Malaysia and majority of people still preferred Japanese brand. In Indonesia also the same. Not many looking into indian motorcycle brands in SEA. But you can keep dreaming haha..
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US and Switzerland
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@dhanushgowda4061 your point?
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@kuldeeprana1908 and people around the world never recognised chennai as electronic and technology hardware manufacturing hub like the way Shenzhen got to know. It doesn't have scale like Shenzhen to be called as electronic and technology hardware hub. Bcus it's more than just having a MNCs operating there. Even Malaysia has place like that. The place call Bayan Lepas+Butterworth . A place where many global hardware companies operated. But it's still far from being something like Shenzhen. And Why I bring Malaysia here? It's bcus Electronic and electric hardware is Malaysia largest export item. Dedicated electronic hub is a city that can offer at least 90% kind of electronic hardwares(from finished products to components) in one place. Hope you get my point.
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@kuldeeprana1908 Tata, adani and reliance. That's the only names you can named. Oh you can add Vedanta and Rajesh export too lol. It's still in the range of few and not many. And it's all the same companies all over again in india. SMH. If you think these companies are going to be the hope for india in semiconductor just forget about it and go to sleep. Indian domestic manufacturing industries are so dysfunctional and not dynamic. For a big population country like india this isn't going to help for a long time.
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@jarjarbinks3193 of course I know india has numerous industrial houses. But those other numerous industrial houses aren't going to venture into semiconductor manufacturing business bcus they lack in expertise. That's why they didn't make a headline bcus they never had a plan to be into semiconductor business. While your big celebrity level industrial conglomerates like tata, Reliance, vedanta etc smoked too much weed and think they got what it's needed to enter semiconductor business haha.. so that's why they were always in the news. Don't compare South Korea with India. South Korea can afford to have only few super conglomerates to drive their economy but not india. You can say or think anything about China. But the reality is Chinese companies already dominated many consumer grade high technology products. Even challenging companies from Japan and South Korea. All this brand equity whatever shit talking you can keep it to yourself. Because it doesn't matter nowadays. The only that can keep their brand reputation intact and sell it are mostly companies from US but very much companies from East Asia countries are being saddled into commodity realm where they doesn't have any unique property to be different or exceptional. But in this commodity realm Chinese companies have gained the most benefit from it. They have big market behind them and they have gained technologies to compete with their East peers. For example, from global top 10 Lithium cell and battery producers only one is Japanese and 3 Korean. The rest are Chinese. Indian is non existence hahaha... I thought you have gone to be better but you are just becoming worse and worse. No change at all hahaha..
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@jarjarbinks3193 no problem. Chinese baby formula is just getting better and better
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@jarjarbinks3193 maybe you have slept too long and missed many things. Before a coward technology banning from US Huawei mobile processor was among the best in the world competing with the likes of Snapdragon and Mediatek. And Chinese display maker Visionox was the first to come up with a display for under the display camera. Then Samsung display followed. I mean if you're not following a recent news but just relied on nostalgia of early 2000s news and took it serious too so be better to stop talking. Especially when you're from a laggard place name india. Just a scratch resistance glass? That's the best you can do for a downplay effort? lol. How does not producing a scratch resistance glass means anything to China technology industry? It just Chinese companies never focus on that kind of product. And Chinese companies can source many critical components from domestic suppliers just like what Huawei showed. But they still honour the partnership with foreign suppliers so they still sourced from them. Many Chinese brands used UNISOC SOC. In mid to low end smartphones they mostly used image sensor from Galaxycore. While Will Semiconductor supplies high end image sensor. That's just a few examples. It will be a gradual transition bcus China is just recently fired up their semiconductor industry. It's all thanks to the sanctions. And contrary to popular belief or what your believe. Actually those countries you mentioned also heavily relied on China. Their components suppliers will not going to produce exceptional financial result every year if not because of Chinese electronic companies. That's what they needed. A companies or system integrators like Chinese and not something like HTC, Blackberry, Sony that only focus on premium-ness and low volume. Even Micromax rebranding a Chinese phones as theirs lmao. Here you can clearly see how many parties dependent on each others. But in the mean time Chinese also gradually producing alternative components suppliers.
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@jarjarbinks3193 Lmao the one that's unsustainable here is placing a brand as premium while offering mediocre specs or not worthy of high price specs. And that's what suffered by many Japanese brands? How long has them losing top ranking places and sales ranking in TV market? A decade more. First they lost to Samsung and LG and now they are losing to Chinese brands. Only Sony is still in the top 10. So how is their brand reputation help them here? Samsung and LG still produce affordable TV with good performance. For average consumers it's so much better for them if they can get a good performance TV at an affordable price. And that's happening right now. There's more Market in High volumes and affordable price segment than in premium segment. There's nothing stopping Chinese to buy foreign products. But they still bought Chinese brands first. If they really wanted Samsung smartphones that badly they will continue to buy it to this day. They will not make an issue about Samsung carelessness and ignoring behaviour when the issue about explosive battery arise many years ago. But that is not what happened in China. Chinese were gladly drop Samsung and support local brands. While the saving grace of Apple is their IOS. Have you heard the boycott of foreign apparel brands by Chinese and the rise of Anta and Li Ning's sales in China? Try harder m8. You are far from reality. But please continue living inside the fantasy bubble that you have created for so long. Bcus it's so hilarious Hahaha...
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@jarjarbinks3193 like I said motorcycle products is not china stronghold or expertise. I don't know if you have comprehension problem here. It seemed so. Because you couldn't comprehend an easy statement.
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@jarjarbinks3193 indian SMSE aren't interested in low cost, low margin businesses Haha the most laughable thing I heard today. When every goal of india companies be it large or MSME is produce anything at low cost and sell it at lower price. Reduce the cost of production. You're clearly didn't walk in the same path as your local companies lmao.
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@Parrot3054 punch hole display and triple cameras are Huawei's ideas. So every phones that used that setting or concept are copying Huawei and that's including lava and micromax. No matter where they put the camera hole or how they arrange the triple cameras.
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Tbh if this is a subsidy why not they just call it a subsidy? Tbh this scheme is more about attracting foreign manufacturers than looking to make product cheaper.
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@jarjarbinks3193 when old players move out other will fill the blanks they left. It's just a business cycle. Chinese didn't care how thin the margin they get. Their products sold out is what matters to them. Apple for example made more profit from selling services than selling phone. That is the model that Chinese firms will follow. Especially after they completed the building of their IOT ecosystem.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and sorry m8. Reality doesnt live inside your bubble. All talks about Chinese reputation, cheap quality level you believe there are far from the truth. Never said there's no cheap quality items coming from China. But China is a mix of all things.
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@jarjarbinks3193 but it's not because Chinese motorcycle makers left the market. It's just Indian motorcycle brands were able to compete with Chinese brands and stays in the market. Like for example in Brazilian market Shineray and Haojue a brands from China occupied third and sixth position. In Mexico market there's no indian brands active in the market. In Ecuador market Shineray(China) is the market leader. In Argentina market Chinese traditional motorcycle makers doesn't have a presence but they have made a big presence in Electric two wheelers. Where Xinri Sunra is the market leader. For the history record most of LATAM Markets have long being dominated by either Local brands or Japanese brand. Not Chinese brands. Chinese brands and indian brands are a new players in those markets. So the old players here are Japanese and locals. And you can't compare motorcycle industry to the other industries like smartphone or TV. Motorcycle industry is just like car industry. It's more about sentimental value than about bang of the buck. People see Car or Motorcycle as part of their life or like their life. So in motorcycle industry the focus is more towards design style, riding comfort, performance, quality and reliability first. For Chinese motorcycle manufacturers they know about these important aspects. And they know Car and Motorcycle industries don't work from price value but the product itself. As history has shown many times, when an industry started to think that thin profit margin is bad for business they are more likely than not will exit from the business and open the opportunity for new players. This actually is bad for the health of country's economic development. Losing an industry you once excel means you have Losing an edge. You are no longer can compete in that industry. For a country that can create new kind of business that have potential to shape up a new industry they can stay ahead. But for a country that couldn't they will gradually Losing many edge in business. US can stay ahead because they keep creating new kind of businesses while Japan couldn't. Japan back in the day has made US forfeit in many industries(consumer electronics, industrial robotics, machine tools) but look at Japan now. They weren't creating a new business but just shrinking their industry footprint. To focus on the businesses that they still strong. But if these businesses also lost to the competition Japan only see a doom. So back to China their goal is to dominate the business and maintain the strong grip on the business no matter what the profit margin. China is never strong in traditional motorcycle so they didn't really concern about it. But they are serious in Electric two wheelers. And they have made strong development compare to india or Japan. The conclusion here. For Chinese players in certain industries having a thin margin isn't a thing to be concern as long as they still have a huge lead and dominating. Many industries doesn't walk on sentimental value like Solar Panel, Wind turbine, Consumer electronics, heavy equipments, ship building, batteries, electronic components etc.
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@jarjarbinks3193 so if they strive for a survivability that means it's in the realm of longevity😆
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@jarjarbinks3193 of course transportation vehicles have becoming an essential product for majority people around the world not just in LATAM. ASEAN also is a developing region and also a heavy user of two wheelers. But still people see the value of having a motorcycle different from having a smartphone. Motorcycle always presented many differentiation if compared to Smartphone or TV. People always see their investment into motorcycle or car as much more valuable than smartphone.
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@jarjarbinks3193 @JarJar Binks lmao you think you're talking with someone who just recently followed industrial activities around the world? I have followed this kind of things for about 17 years. Of course I know Japan still a leader in some industries. While Japan is still leader in traditional motorcycle China is fast becoming a leader in Electric motorcycle. While Japan still a leader in Traditional automobile China is fast becoming a leader in new energy vehicle especially EV. Traditional Camera is slowly becoming a limited money making item in the future. As smartphone camera keep getting better and better in picture production from the help of digital picture calibration and AI more pictures will be taken using Smartphone. Long time ago many people used compact point shoot camera to capture a picture but now all people used smartphone if they have it. Speaking about watch the craze happening right now is on Smartwatch. And Japan isn't even a leader in smartwatch lmao. And in traditional watch I will give it to Switzerland this time. But yeah Japan produced some of great quality watches. Of course they still a leading producer of printer, from home to office to commercial grade printers. Of course I know Japan is still a strong player in industrial machinery segment(Industrial robotics, in SME, machine tools). Irreplaceable is subjective. All thing can be replace. ASML beat Nikon and Canon in Lithography segment. SMEE will be their future rival and alternative choice for China. Recently I read the news said Lam Research and ASML are working together to develop new kind of photoresist. If they manage to develop this new photoresist it will break Japanese dominance in photoresist market. But the challenge for Japan position in industry is mostly coming from China. So you shouldn't take Japan’s current position in the industries that they are good at for granted. China and the world are happy to give all the printer and camera market to Japan. Bcus there's nothing much left in this old and slow evolving industries.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and tell me what other industries from China that face the same problem like China's traditional Motorcycle industry? And BTW I keep mentioning Chinese electric two wheelers in my comments to refute your nonsense also. You think Chinese don't know the market they can excel but that's not true. You also ignored China Acknowledgement of their shortcoming and their vision. China never took traditional motorcycle industry seriously. Whatever their traditional motorcycle industry do that is their own business. China is busy in developing their new energy Two wheelers industry and preparing for a mass adoption in many market in years to come. And of course (low margin, low cost and high volume business model) without brand building is not suitable for a business that looking for long term Success especially in ultra competitive industry. Unless you are starting your own niche business/industry where competitors still a few or non existence and grow the market around it. And in many successful industries Chinese players always worked on brand building and product image building. So that's why they managed to control the global market and doesn't have a problem in applying low margin, low cost and high volume business model. A strategy to drive competitors out. China traditional motorcycle business never really tried that. That's why their success is limited. Your lack of awareness of China strategy and focus is very clear here. So stop lecturing China about business when indian failed to find a success in many global ultra competitive manufacturing businesses. Save for their traditional motorcycle and pharmaceutical businesses lmao. You also can add your jewellery polishing business that no one really cares to make it three success stories hahaha...
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@jarjarbinks3193 at this point and not in future point😁 Even if the market will be limited to certain mode of products Chinese players will be the one to control it. 😏 Not that many. Most of the industries that Japan is currently lead are in limited economic potential businesses(like Camera, paper printer and copier). It's so surprising to me that Japan doesn't lead in 3D printer industry. It's China who lead in this advanced industry. Japan once lead the world in electronics industry but currently it's China and also South Korea. And US is surprisingly beat Japan also. Take for example smartphone. Japanese companies supplied some of the crucial components for smartphone but most of it are discrete semiconductor components. They fall short in wide area of analog, memory and logic semiconductor components. China has better market share and lead over Japan in Logic and wide area of analog semiconductors. In ASIC chips China is infront of Japan. Tbt in wide area of electronic components Chinese players are gradually taking market share from Japanese players. The challenge that Chinese players facing right now is matching US in semiconductor. People only look at you when you excel in producing logic, analog, ASIC chips and not discrete semiconductor. Japan still have few industries that they are still in leading position outside of their shrinking electronic industry. They still have strong position in industrial robotics, SME and semiconductor related equipments, some other industrial machineries(like sewing equipments, display manufacturing equipments, machine tools, PCB assembling machines), some specialty chemical segments. Musical instruments, gaming console. In Overall picture Japan shows to have a lead in specific industrial machineries segment, in some chemicals products(for example semiconductor chemicals, carbon fiber), Automotive products, some electronic components while gradually or very fast losing a leading position in semiconductor, general consumer electronics, batteries, ship building, commercial and service robotics, solar industry, computer hardware, display panel business, nuclear reactor hardware business, telecommunication equipments, graphene materials, Laser technology. In which in all of these businesses Chinese companies are leading infront of Japan. If China is nobody in this area so india is worser than that. india is non existence in this area hahaha... At least no body doesn't mean non existence. It just mean they're not being look into by anyone. But they still exist. Eventhough the truth is they're not really nobody. Hahaha... please keep that kind of thinking. China don't lost anything even if you don't want to acknowledge them. At least that Godson that now becoming Loongson still alive and kicking. Putting China at the top of world in supercomputer race. Recently they just released an exascale Supercomputer that used home grown CPU. CPU designed by Loongson. While india can only dream and dream. Pathetic hahaha..
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@jarjarbinks3193 just two industries? 🤣 🤣 🤣 I thought it going to be a dozens lol And again comparing an industries that China never once considered importance. This is what I mean "*China has a lack of effective supply of agricultural machinery, which includes tractors, due to low-end production capacity. It cannot meet the full-scale agricultural diversification needs, due to inadequate technologies supporting product growth*" So a country that having an issue of lacking in adequate infrastructure to produce a huge numbers of tractor and imported most of their tractors they used was said to showed a concern about their performance in African market? WTH Hahaha you found an article in mandarin and know what it's said eventhough you never learned mandarin. Fail attempt to lie dude China truck brands also are increasingly doing well in Africa. They have conquered big African markets like Nigeria, South Africa, Egypt, Kenya.
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@jarjarbinks3193 lmao dumping is not always effective in every industry. It's more effective for commodity products or basic construction materials like Steel. It's not going to work in much more complex products with an exception. So dumping low quality motorcycle will not going to benefit China motorcycle industry in the long run. That's why I found this accusation as ridiculous. China knows what products can be dumping and what products isn't suitable for dumping. And as for electric scooter China is the leader in the production and sales. For example: European Electric Scooter & Motorcycles Market is growing fast. Following the +22.6% reported in the previous year, in the 2021 the total Western European sales for Electric scooters and motorcycles have been 93.742, up 24.7%. Niu Tech is the market leader. Niu Tech of China lead the market. And Yadea and Niu sold a typical looking scooter but powered by battery. I don't see any difference between the E scooter designed by ola or ather and E scooter designed by Sunra, Yadea and Niu.
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@jarjarbinks3193 yes Xiaomi and DJI just a few examples from many other reputable Chinese brands out there does have reputation and consumer loyalty.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and that's why Chinese high tech products sell like a hot cat right? Even driving competitors out of business lol Don't blame Chinese. Chinese know what's working for business. The reality that Chinese products selling like a hot cake is something you can't beat or deny. Especially in the area of products that Chinese players have strong footing. But the problem with many Chinese companies right now is they didn't do marketing seriously. They need to step up their marketing effort and also be more serious in penetrating foreign markets.
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@jarjarbinks3193 hahaha...like I said before, when an industry get the focus it's needed by Chinese players with clear set of goals and vision it's not easy to compete with them. India can study all they can. But they are not alone that study in this field. Many places in developing countries have somewhat the same condition of infrastructures like that in india or even worse like you said. China also certainly have many places that got inadequate infrastructures development. So they certainly know something about it. And same with Chinese truck makers. They also still concentrating more towards China market besides fulfilling import demand. Can't comment on indian market. Sentiment played a big part when talking about the chance of foreign manufacturers. It's not just specific to india. Japan for example.
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@jarjarbinks3193 relying on critical components from foreign suppliers doesn't mean anything much. We also can say those critical components suppliers depend on Chinese OEMs for business. It's thanks to those Chinese OEMs many semiconductor makers able to see huge increased in their sales and profit. I remember in 2015/2016/2017 revenue of Broadcom, Micron, SK Hynix still far from reaching USD 20 billion but enter 2018 they were seeing huge growth while Qualcomm was riding smartphone boom wave starting in 2013. And I bet if it's Nokia or micromax you will not going to downplay them eventhough they also relied heavily on foreign suppliers for 100% of the components. Bcus india or Finland didn't produce smartphone components at all. At least Chinese OEMs can source at least 40% of their components need from local suppliers. Lastly I bet that you couldn't even give a proper list of what you called as king of products.
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@jarjarbinks3193 like I said many times what you think here doesn't matter. Ehh.. they give both. Affordability and quality😎 Not really that one but you can think whatever you want. No effect to them.
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@jarjarbinks3193 @JarJar Binks that's nothing surprising seeing foreign companies floop inside a domestic market of strong competitors. I can say similar things to indian motorcycle makers in China market. Non existence. And the fact that it is less complex will make indian competitors find it difficult to compete with Chinese. I will let you wonder about it.
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@jarjarbinks3193 clearly you don't understand what I'm trying to convey there. It's OK. I couldn't expect more from you. And the problem for Huawei is more about they couldn't produce their own chips for their own smartphone. Plus they have made it clear that they aren't going to use third party SoC for their high end smartphones. So they hold any development of their smartphone. But they still continue to design chips
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@jarjarbinks3193 Before I make a list for China I just want to ask you do indian have anything remotely close to that list?
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@jarjarbinks3193 OK China list for you😎 Even for a still developing country China actually able to punch above it's weight. Some consumer segments >Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi for Smartphone >Amazefit, Mobvoi, IMOO for smartwatch >DPVR, Pico VR for VR headset >DJI and Yuneec for commercial Drone >Zhiyun and FeiyuTech for advanced gimbal system >Lenovo for computer hardware >Yadea and NIU for electric scooter >Yu Technology and SJCAM for action cameras >Insta360 and Kandao for 360° camera >FLASHFORGE, TIERTIME and Creality 3D for desktop 3D printer. >TCL and Hisense for TVs >Ninebot for self balancing scooter >Ecovacs and Roborock for cleaning robots. >Hikvision and Dahua for CCTV >FIIO, Hiby, Hifiman for highly rated Digital Audio players. >TPV technology for high end monitor display. Some heavy equipment segments -XCMG, Sany, Liugong for construction equipments -ZPMC for Port crane -CREG, NHI, DHHI for TBM Some commercial vehicle segments -Dongfeng, Foton for Trucks -Yutong, King Long for Buses. They're many more leading Chinese companies out there that lead their respective industry. And competing successfully with Japanese companies. But behind this sort of comparison there's a painful reality for one country. The country name is india and it's lagging far far behind these two countries in reality.
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@jarjarbinks3193 Lmao this 🤡 just said; "our brands have better brand recognition than yours in every market sector they compete with yours" But yet again can only came up with just two industries. The same industries he keep paddling around since five days ago. Lol China has more products with a recognition by Americans than india. Smartphones like Huawei and Xiaomi have huge demand in US but they couldn't get it bcus of product ban. DJI brand name is more well known in the US than mahindra. Lenovo also is more well known than mahindra. A 🤡 will always be 🤡. You have just becoming a joke all this time around. 😆
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@jarjarbinks3193 no one really know about stupid looking indian motorcycle brands in SEA. Only a few maybe haha..
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@jarjarbinks3193 yeah according to you and not according to market research haha.. it is very indian thing to overstated everything.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and they of course have a reputation and very well known. Or else how international products review websites and also market research agencies like IDC, marketwatch, counterpoint research etc. know about them? They are very well known by many people except select few people like you who live inside parallel universe or fantasy bubble.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and it doesn't change the fact that they dominate the market they serve or being among the top global players.
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@jarjarbinks3193 haha world leaders my foot. Ok only few of them from the list, not all. Do you know what is mittlestand? If you don't, mittlestand is German's word for "hidden champion". I'm not saying the names I listed are hidden champions but I'm going to take the principle of mittlestand. Mittlestand is a global leader of their respective niche industry but without name recognition. So I don't see the problem if the main company doesn't have name recognition as long as they still selling in huge numbers. People may not knowing the parent but they will know the product's brand name. Just like BBK Electronic. And also I see you're so messed up with your objective.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and maybe you never read consumer report on Sony or Panasonic. It's painful to read people complaints and issues in there hahaha...
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@jarjarbinks3193 if their products always good tells me how some companies like Panasonic, Sharp, mitsubishi, Suzuki flopped in US lmao. Tbh I love Japan but there's no choice here to not go against them and expose them bcus of people like you that need to be educated about reality.
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@jarjarbinks3193 here we are talking about Japanese brands that you think are flawless when they are not LMFAO. It doesn't matter what the market reviews for TCL or Hisense bcus it doesn't change the fact that today's TVs from Sony and Panasonic aren't like in the past. The quality and reliability has drop. That's why their sales is shrinking and shrinking.
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@jarjarbinks3193 can you counter my comment on the subject that being talked and not deflecting?
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@jarjarbinks3193 For motorcycle Honda is overall leader in ASEAN "Honda is the market leader at regional level with over 8 million sales (+14.5%) and is followed by Yamaha (+19.1%) and Suzuki (+33.2%). Confirming the absolute hegemony of the Japanese manufacturers, Kawasaki ranks in fourth (-0.6%)."
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@jarjarbinks3193 lmao you keep parroting the same thing. Unfortunately it isnt complete true in today situation.
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@jarjarbinks3193 piss poor reputation and selling well because its cheaper doesn't really goes hand in hand especially for item like TV. If just being cheaper will get people buy your item in huge numbers why TV brands like VU TV, insignia, kodak TV, Thompson TV, or Onida couldn't sell their TV as many as TCL? I believe their TV is as cheap as TCL TV or much cheaper.
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@jarjarbinks3193 can you give me a report from a website, be it news site or website dedicated for Motorcycle.
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@jarjarbinks3193 I'm just recently visited Kawasaki PH website and no such thing was found. OK after another visit I finally see the thing you talked there.
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But why Bajaj chose to do that?
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@sublimefermion2205 link of what? I don't know which of my comment you refer to.
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@pritamsikh3769 Taiwan dominated semiconductor industry is their own achievement. China doesn't dominated global semiconductor industry isn't really a problem. Their goal is domestic alternative. And yes india is trying to compete with China or else why they bring about a goal to be an alternative semiconductor manufacturing hub for semiconductor companies around the world? Trying to promote india to Taiwanese semiconductor companies as the best choice of place to relocate their manufacturing factory on the pretext of geopolitical Instability. It's all about competing with China. When you bring here "enormous population of cheap labours" I know that you have no clue what you're talking about but just repeating the same mantra people said time and time again. Semiconductor fab doesn't used many labours bcus it's near fully automated. And the workers who worked there are high paying engineers. And if China just hold tiny market share after 15 yrs of development just imagine what will india achieve after 15 yrs from now in this industry without any basis or strong foundation of commercial grade semiconductor industry. China semiconductor industry was started by their semiconductor experts and not by a mining company or an investment company. I mean india strategy looks really lacking and without good anchor.
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@pritamsikh3769 so you want to continue JarJarBinks work in here? Or you are actually JarJarBinks but using different YT ID. From Where I'm from is not important for you to know. Sorry m8 China has more large companies than entire india can offer. Forbes 2000 global companies; China = 350 companies, india = 57 companies. Global top R&D spending companies; China = 507 companies, india = 53 companies. Fortune global; China = 143 companies, india = 7 companies. Look China has 150 companies that got revenue exceeding USD 20 billion while india only has 14 companies with revenue exceeding USD 20 billion. So from where you get that China is still far behind to have many conglomerates. But actually yes, you're right to an extent. China doesn't have many conglomerates but they have many manufacturing companies that are focussing on specific industry/product and their revenue is exceeding USD 1 billion annually. Take for example motorcycle(JarJarBinks love this industry) China got about 100 domestic motorcycle manufacturers compare to india 5 companies. Most of motorcycles made by these companies are market inside China. So you can see there are a lot of employment opportunities exist. Companies will not fly away from China bcus China is still a big market and they are going to produce their products within China bcus it's more cost effective and efficient. Nah india is no longer building many conglomerates nowadays. Most of conglomerate companies in india are old ages companies. Have existed more than a decade. The companies you mentioned here are the examples. India new era of companies are mainly a service oriented companies predominantly an Internet companies. Billionaires mean nothing. Yes Shenzhen is electronic hardware capital of the world bcus it got the largest hardware industry in the world. More TVs are being produced in Shenzhen than Soul or Tokyo. Same with smartphone as many major smartphone brands are located in Shenzhen. 90% of world's electronic came from Shenzhen. That speaks for itself. Yes we all know that Taiwan is the capital of semiconductor manufacturing. But China has surpassed Taiwan to be second behind US in chip designing. Shenzhen is the place where many major global system integrators locate. Bcus most of major system integrators of electronic products are Chinese companies. Semiconductor companies and Taiwan need them for their business. I agree many indian here are an ignorant people. They didn't just have no clue on what is happening in China but they also didn't know india better. You are one of the example. These people live on dream and promise and not something real.
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@jarjarbinks3193 of course the workers that assembled the smartphones are just a low skill level people. But the one who designed every internal architecture of the smartphone system are engineers with degree or PHD. They designed the set up of the camera module. They designed the PCB. They designed the layout of every components. These all were done by engineers. Even Chinese engineers that designed the smartphones sold by micromax bcus micromax just rebadge the Chinese designed smartphone. I know people who is an ignorant like you couldn't understand this. You can keep repeating that rotten news everywhere eventhough it means nothing much to China semiconductor industry. SMIC and HHG are thriving plus other smaller foundries too. As China already made a good gain in global semiconductor market. Their global market share is at 8% or about USD 44 billion in output value. And it's still growing. I don't see the problem with a ties with CCP as CCP encouraging the development of hard technology in China. They aren't really shrewd than Chinese businesses. China has built many big businesses in various kind of manufacturing industries and they aren't an affiliate business of an old corporation. They are companies that specialise on the specific product. For example: XCMG and Sany( world's no.3 and no.4 construction equipment makers), DJI(world's no. 1 drone maker), TCL(world's no. 3 TV manufacturers), CATL(World's no. 1 battery manufacturer). Huawei and ZTE(world's no.1 and no. 4 telecommunications equipment makers), ZPMC(World's no. 1 port crane manufacturer), CIMCG(world's largest container manufacturer). I can go on and on. Unlike india all these Chinese companies are a truly specialise manufacturers that being built from scratch. Without any connection to the established companies. While india only have a few truly specialise companies but got many companies that are affiliate to an established companies. They aren't really shrewd but just riding india's industry boom. They saw bpo industry is gaining momentum in india so they invested in it knowing that the business is very secure. Same with Jio and any Reliance businesses. They never invested in an industry that got small market or business potential. It's different from Chinese businesses. Not all of their businesses are in the category of having huge business potential but they gambled on it and it paid off. India is risk averse while China is adventurous and a risk taker. That's why indian products are few and far apart in many global markets. Reliance businesses are only good in india but powerless outside of india while Chinese businesses are powering outside of China.
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Again who even are you?
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@PlanetFrosty so your US can only give Thailand a war machine. How's that can benefited Thailand? And what can Thailand get from US in return? At least Thailand can sell their products or produce in China like Fruit, example; durian In 2021, Thailand exported more than 875,000 tonnes of the spiky fruits to China. This generated at least US$3.4 billion according to statistics from the Agriculture Department
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@PlanetFrosty I'm not going to believe someone who took too long to respond to an inquiry. Tencent stole your IP? Are you a video game developer or IT developer that happened to do a study or development in new materials while working with defence company? Haha.. you're such a weak liar.
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@Parrot3054 what China copied is the appearance of a products and not the know how to make that products. Know how of the engine system is IP and not the appearance of the engine. To make the same engine Chinese engineers need to understand the technical aspects behind the construction of the products first. So producing the similar design jet is not an act of dishonoring an IP. Just like Japan produced domestically develop jet that took the design aspect of US jet. Also I can say indian also involved in copycat. Look at micromax or lava they just copied the design of Samsung or Chinese phone.
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@Parrot3054 not by my logic. It's the logic from the people who think only Chinese copy. Ask Russian? Can I ask them a proof of winning lawsuit against China?
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@Parrot3054 when I mentioned lava and micromax my point is their phones also look identical to Chinese phone or Samsung but people never called indian a copycat practitioner.
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@Parrot3054 I heard micromax in phone was designed by micromax
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@BlackHawkTejas and how PLI scheme gonna improve that?
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@overlordborn6131 and it only run for five years right? That what I read from the explanation.
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@overlordborn6131 no. I read the explanation of PLI scheme. The government's Production Linked Incentive Scheme (PLI) for large-scale electronics manufacturing is meant to provide incentives to producers, in a bid to make India a hub for manufacturing and exports. Under the PLI scheme, eligible players are to receive incentives ranging from 4 per cent to 6 per cent of production value for five years, provided they achieve their investment and production value target for each year.
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@overlordborn6131 PLI scheme for pharmaceutical The scheme will provide financial incentives on the incremental sales (over Base Year) of pharmaceutical goods and in-vitro diagnostic medical devices to selected applicants based on pre-defined selection criteria. The incentives will be paid for a maximum period of 6 years for each participant depending upon the threshold investments and sales criteria to be achieved by the applicant.
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This is the objective of the scheme; The objective of the scheme is to enhance India’s manufacturing capabilities by increasing investment and production in the sector and contributing to product diversification to high value goods in the pharmaceutical sector. One of the further objectives of the scheme is to create global champions out of India who have the potential to grow in size and scale using cutting edge technology and thereby penetrate the global value chains. And making products cheaper isn't one of the objective.
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@jarjarbinks3193 so you wanted to say that indian have became a slave to money while Chinese are no longer be one? hahaha 🤣🤣 They are not what ever the reasons you put there. It's just your typical glamour searching old ages industrial conglomerates. Like to make more noise than bring a result. Just compare the situation of JLR with Volvo and Proton. Tata didn't make any difference to JLR compared to how Geely transformed Volvo and Proton to be much better than before. While at the time before they get acquired by Tata and Geely JLR was much bigger than Volvo. But now Volvo has surpassed JLR and much more active in technology development especially in EV. Proton from being a sick Malaysian auto maker has been transformed into population's favourite auto maker. Thanks to Geely. I remember that Mahindra bought Ssanyong brand from Korea long time ago. Where is this brand now? 🤣 So these celebrity conglomerates can only be successful within india term, in india market only where they have control over. Something like Faradion that being acquired by reliance will one day going to meet the same fate as JLR. Going nowhere and underperformed if not being irrelevant. What's the problem with Luckin coffee other than that accounting scandal incident? They still operated as a coffee house that adopting Internet platform for their operations. And I heard that indian businesses have much more trustworthy issues than Chinese businesses when it comes to plain business. China couldn't be world's largest manufacturing hub if it's businesses cant be trustworthy in delivering the results. And lastly Lenovo is making a more valuable and useful products than mindtree that can be enjoy or use by many people. And also can provide more employments and tax return to the country it's operated. So no one cares about the profit of your lousy indian company.
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@jarjarbinks3193 that's the best come back you can muster? The same bs brand equity, loyalty bla..bla.. Try harder m8. You are just getting worse and worse everytime you speak. Bcus your comment isnt base on reality at all. Yeah they get much higher profit margin while shrinking their market share further and further hahaha. And that's what Sony been doing with their smartphone business. It's only time before their Smartphone division when out of business like LG. Loyalty my ass. Long term strategy my ass. I bet even you didn't use any Japanese smartphone product or Sony TV. And if you look at Sony's smartphone for this year release it's mostly the same like the previous one in design. Only minor improvements will be there. As for Chinese companies they don't need to concern about pricing and cost and profit margin much bcus they already secured strong footing in high volume, affordable pricing segment which is the majority of smartphone, TV etc market. The problem with you is that you didn't aware how strong is Chinese companies in low margin, high volumes segment. Their established competitors from US, Korea and Japan only has the way up to go. These Companies no longer can challenge the dominance of Chinese electronic companies. New entrants chance example from india is slim to impossible. Like you said before Japan and South Korea started by selling low prices, high volume items and gradually scalling up. And that's the formula that Chinese follow. They can't just scalling up price and look for high profit margin business when the market still in need of a huge numbers of affordable smartphone or TV or any kind of electronic items. People have bagged Sony to lower the price of their smartphone that is not really special infront of the other smartphone brands. But Sony declined. Yeah m8 keep thinking brand equity, reputation bla, bla. Matters today. Most of people in today world always look for bang of the buck products. Give more while stay affordable. That's also what indian hold very dearly. And that's why TCL sold more TV than Sony every years. And it just going to grow further. They sold high quality, good specs TV at affordable price. That's why. And they doesn't stay idle either. They keep improving their TV technology and quality just like how Samsung did it 17 years ago when they were at the phase of high growth. So If people only look for reliability unreliable TV brands should have gone already. But TCL and Hisense still here and growing fast. So certainly their TVs also are reliable and highly recommended. People actually will not going to buy unreliable TV eventhough it is cheap. USD 300 is still a lot of money to be thrown away.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and that's why they keep eating the market of other players right. Hahaha.. who doesn't want to have big market for ownself. Doing business at it finest. China is trying to keep the industry they dominating and will dominate as long as possible. They have seen US ceased many businesses they once dominated to many countries like Japan, Europe or Korea. Same with situation for Japan. People who doesn't have a business mentality like you aren't going to understand this.
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@jarjarbinks3193 isn't like india can even challenge China wide area industries dominance hahaha.. not any country for the matter. Established players already leaving high volume, low margin low to medium tech products segment. They are not going to make a U turn. So right now Chinese companies are the one that dominate and control these segments. While at the same thing scalling up their level to be high end products manufacturer. You think india can challenge China when india only have two to three categories of manufacturing industry that they doing better than China? Even that on the reason that China never considered to develop those industries. Want to hear a news? Read this.(2020 report) =Crucial to Mumbai infra projects, tunnelling machines made in China= (Mumbai’s efforts to address its traffic woes with an ambitious coastal road project and underground Metro line is crucially reliant on Chinese equipment. Of the total 18 Tunnel Boring Machines (TBMs) being used to dig underground tunnels in the city for major infrastructure projects, eight have been manufactured by Chinese-owned companies while 10 are by Western companies but manufactured in China. Almost all the seven contractors have procured their TBMs from vendors with a link to China. Of the TBMs deployed for the Mumbai Metro line 3, four have been supplied by the US-based The Robbins Company, which was recently acquired by a Chinese company. Seven are from the Australian Terratec which has manufacturing facility in China, three from the German firm Herrenkecht which has manufacturing units in China and three from the China-based Shanghai Tunnel Engineering Company. The global TBM market is presently dominated by China. As per local vendors nearly 90 per cent of the TBMs deployed across India have a Chinese connection “Even if you source from a non-Chinese company you never know when it will be acquired by the Chinese. The Robbins Company was a US-based manufacturer of TBMs. In 2016 it merged with China’s state-owned Northern Heavy Industries,” an official from a leading infrastructure construction firm said.) Source: indian express. ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 From the news above it tells a sign or glimpse that Chinese castles will stay strong and solid for a very long period of time. The foundation is solid.😎😎
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@jarjarbinks3193 haha what a weak and irrelevant industry. Indian love this. One famous indian Quoran has a precise statement for people like you, "india people love to celebrate mediocrity" 🤭🤭😉
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@jarjarbinks3193 bla...bla...bla...bla. Hahaha. .."if". World does not work on if. And yes india is a slouch in business. That's why most of their businesses failed in an open competition. Save for a few businesses.
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@jarjarbinks3193 and certainly top notch Chinese brands or companies followed that principles very meticulously. That's why they are successful.
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@jarjarbinks3193 This what we call as an apple to orange comparison you 🤡 Your every excuses just make you look more stupid. You cant compare the usage of Drone to your stupid looking mahindra vehicles. Many professionals fotographer, video creators, film makers used DJI Drones. Even US army used DJI Drones. There was an exposure by US TV programme how US couldn't produce Drone as good as DJI. Many DJI Drones or Drones in general are used in agriculture, security and logistics. Can't expect much for jarjarbinks to understand this.
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@jarjarbinks3193 yeah you can post all the name of companies that exist in your village and claim they are market leader but it is not going to work bcus market research agencies will not make it official that the company you claimed to be global leader is global leader bcus they find it not true.
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@jarjarbinks3193 Suzuki is leader of what lmao? Not even in car or Motorcycle. Keep showing your desperation dude bcus it just gonna further exposing your stupidity.
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@pritamsikh3769 @Pritam Sikh no China doesn't really depending on Taiwan on their semiconductor needs. Alternative that doesn't meets it demand? Lmao the Alternatives are steadily growing bro. China currently sourced 11% of their semiconductor needs domestically. Many doesn't aware that fabless industry in China is still young unlike their fabrication industry. Plus the industry actually just recently taking off seriously. That after US started sanctioning China. 11% domestic market share and 7% global market share for Chinese chip design industry that's still young is a big achievement for them. When EV get more and more wide spread in China and IOT products and 5G get expending further Chinese chips will see a boom in demand in China. IHS forecasted that in 2025 20% of chips for domestic demand will come from Chinese chip companies. While india market share is negligible even in fabless space lmao.
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@jarjarbinks3193 Wow you are so stupid. The desperation is real here. Ignoring the meaning of starting from scratch just to downplay. BOE has been existed since 1993 and they only know about manufacturing a display panel since it's establishment. The acquisition of Hydis in 2003 was their strategy to upgrade the production technology and not to jump-start their LCD business. They are truly started from scratch from nothing to what they are today. Unlike TCS or Wipro that are a business branch of an established companies. Only infosys and hcl are a stand alone companies in indian IT industry that have became big. Talking about outside technology. You are trying to downplay the effort of Chinese entrepreneurs gambling and taking a risk in establishing high technology hardware business and how they took their companies into its current level. OK I will share something with you who think only Chinese used foreign technology in developing their business. Take Samsung forexample; Toshio Iue, the founder of Sanyo, played a role as an advisor to Lee Byung-Chul, Samsung's founder, who was a novice in the electronics business. December the same year, Samsung Electric established a joint venture named Samsung-Sanyo Electric with Sanyo and Sumitomo Corporation. This is the direct predecessor of today's Samsung Electronics.The joint venture's early products were electronic and electrical appliances including televisions, calculators, refrigerators, air conditioners, and washing machines. In 1970, Samsung established the joint venture Samsung-NEC with Japan's NEC Corporation and Sumitomo Corporation to manufacture home appliances and audiovisual devices. Samsung-NEC later became Samsung SDI, the group's display and battery business unit. In 1973, Samsung and Sanyo created Samsung-Sanyo Parts, the predecessor of Samsung Electro-Mechanics. By 1981, Samsung Electric had manufactured over 10 million black-and-white televisions. Samsung used technologies imported from Micron Technology of the U.S for the development of DRAM and Sharp Corporation of Japan for its SRAM and ROM. This is for you who think South Korea is so technologicaly advanced since it's founding day. Always used SK to downplay China while in reality Even Samsung needed to partner with Japanese companies to manufacture a products and learned the technology. All the success that Samsung has achieved have a fair shares of outside help. Even Samsung's OLED products used IP from Universal Display of USA. Japan also was the same in their early day of technology development. So you only called out China but didn't called out SK and Japan or even india. Vedanta partnering with Foxconn to establish Semi fab. Why Foxconn? Bcus Foxconn has technology that Vedanta can use and learn. Using technology from avanstrate of Japan to establish LCD manufacturing business. Also recently reliance bought Faradion of UK to jump-start their battery business. See! And for your information Visionox and CSOT(TCL) were developing all their technology in house. They also partnering with UD in OLED technology development. Keep being bias and I will keep exposing your stupidity. That's not the important point here. The most important point to look here is that China is capable to manufacture commercial grade semiconductor on it's own. Currently SMIC can produce 14nm chip while HLMC can do 20nm. And keep exposing your ignorant behavior again and again. Huawei still making smartphone. Last year they shipped 35 million units of smartphone. More than micromax and lava combine. Hahaha a company with heavy restriction still able to sold more smartphone than a company that didn't suffer a technology restriction. What a shame. Same with SMIC that also facing huge restrictions. They already developed 7nm process techniques but couldn't acquire necessary machinery to use it. Once again, I repeat, it's not just China but Japan, SK, Taiwan also couldn't produce anything they currently produce without the import of components, machinery and technology from outside. They couldn't produce anything they produce without using outside technology. Without ARM of UK Samsung could not develop their Exynos Chip. Without android and Google from US Samsung will not going to see a success in their smartphone business. Without all the critical SME from Japan, Netherlands and US TSMC isn't going to exist in Taiwan. At least China has its own SME companies that can be an alternative to outside SME. Taiwan didn't. Even Intel of USA relied on lithography from Netherlands and Japan. Chip Dicing machinery from Japan. For industrial robotics US relied heavily on Europe and Japan. And if we talk about india they relied 100% on outside technology bcus they are many generations behind in hard technology. What a joke. So there's no such thing as "real technology giants". Even from these group of countries(US, Japan, SK) SK is the weakest and China can easily match or surpass them in near future. I wasn't talking about india IT industry here but about business strategy. They saw huge and stable business of BPO and chose to enter it. They aren't going to venture into server making business bcus they see their footing and business potential is weak. They aren't shrewd but played safe. China is closed market? Many Foreign retailers find more places to operate in China than in india. US automakers and VW find more success in China than in india. Amazon once operated in China but get beaten by Alibaba as consumer prefer Alibaba more than Amazon. Lmao I like that you mentioned foreign partner as to make your point sounds more acceptable. It's only one example while many other foreign ventures failed in india either bcus of government policies or consumer environment.
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