Comments by "PeterC" (@peterc4082) on "The Japan Reporter"
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@Kaarver You're speaking of idealised situations but it's difficult to change behaviour.
I work as an MD. I can assure you that it's very difficult to change how people behave, even in terms of very important issues.
A tourist is unlikely to change behaviour beyond the most obvious things. Tourists are short time visitors. They save money, they go on their dream vacation to Japan and they leave to never return.
If Japan wants to promote Japan to only wealthy people who may be more cultured or maybe not, maybe Japan needs to charge for tourist visas. A visa is required for all visitors, even if visa free, you are issued a visa at the airport. Maybe Japan needs to charge for such a visa, you pay when purchasing your ticket or as a mere formality, using your credit card, and passport number and voila you're now allowed entry. $1000 visa per person per visit. If that still does not work, charge $10,000. Easy peasy.
But changing behaviour is very hard. Japan needs to put more bins where tourists frequent and maybe get used to some diversity. After all European classical music is played in Japan but it's not Japanese. That was widely accepted.
That's my take as someone who deals with a diverse group of patients on a daily basis.
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@kathleencove Kathleen, changing behaviour is very difficult. You're asking me, Peter, why don't we all have love and ponies in the world? Why are some people poor and others rich? Why wars? Etc. Well the world works as it does.
Japanese people elected a government. That government markets Japan in the world. It brings in money and it creates SOFT POWER. SOFT POWER is very important and helps Japanese companies sell products and services abroad as Japan has a good reputation but that rep came because of PR. Japanese products to be honest are not that good, but if one reads PR one would think they are perfect. They are average for a developed nation. I've used products from across the globe and I've run across a lot of Made in Japan junk. Anyway I digressed.
You see tourists will behave in a certain way. Japan has earthquake proof buildings. They can design earthquake proof garbage cans. And if not, then make the Japan visa $10,000 USD and then only a few people will come and if they litter, well $10,000 will pay for picking up a few items.
I actually want Japan to make their country inaccessible. I'm quite sick of this foreigner hate from these kind of youtube channels. If Japan is so perfect, well let it stay like that. I certainly would never force myself on Japan.
As for classical music, you take the good with the bad. If you want to be world leader you have to tolerate a bit. Have a nice day.
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@muralk3153 Believe it or not but I've lived many years on this earth and I've met many Japanese people and they are average people.
I've also lived in a communist system, a capitalist European system, an apartheid system, a modern EU based capitalist system and a post apartheid system. Anyway, what you say is the standard response. I can understand homogeneity. But some points. Japanese people are not different to other people. They are not a different species. Everyone gets uncomfortable around strangers. This is a common human trait. There is nothing special about it. Nobody expects ALL Japanese people to have to interact with foreign tourists. There are some people in the hospitality industry, retail and tourist industries who will have to interact with foreigners in a limited way.
I did not claim all Japanese people are rich. But the country of Japan is filthy rich. This is on the back of European and US and other people becoming poorer because we closed our factories to buy Japanese products. Japanese tourists used to and still visit foreign locations. People there don't produce TV documentaries and put up NO JAPANESE signs.
As for spotlessness of Japan. It's not true that other countries are messy. People don't come to Japan to see clean streets but to see Mt Fuji, temples, eat food, buy gadgets or mementos, see geishas, see samurai, etc. They don't come for the clean streets.
I think some people and you are giving Japanese people too much charity. On the one hand Japanese people have clean streets and are taught to carry their own rubbish, but they are also unable to ignore foreign tourists who bring in money. I don't understand this. This is a sophist tactic, where Japanese make themselves incompetent in some areas and super capable in others. They then excuse their hypocrisy. That yes it's OK for Japan to steal jobs from the West and it's ok for Japanese tourists to come to Europe - because for as dirty as we Europeans are it's Japan which copies us and not we copying Japan.
So all in all I think Japanese people just have to be modern. 1. Not everyone expects them to speak with foreigners. Anyone with basic education will know this. Japan is highly educated. 2. Tourists bring in revenue. Japanese also travel abroad. They are just as much a nuisance for us but we tolerate Japanese tourists. I've shown my town to Japanese people. They enjoyed it. I don't expect random Japanese to show me theirs but I do expect that there are no "NO FOREIGNER" signs and that TV stations don't produce bigoted TV shows. Japanese people are educated and as humans should be able to adapt to some tourists in tourist spots. All places had to do that. Do you think residents of Rome, Paris, NY, etc are happy with Japanese tourists? Or should they kiss them because European and US cities are a little bit less clean? Japanese people DO NOT GET A SPECIAL PASS from me. They would if they were a poor underdeveloped country, but they are well educated, rich and highly developed. This isn't the 1850s anymore. Let's mot make fools out of Japanese people. They are competent and need to live up to the standard. Besides the Japanese government encourages tourism. Blame them. Don't blame tourists.
Thank you. Have a good Sunday or Monday.
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@muralk3153 I'm not American. Unfortunately my people did not steal any land, well not for > 2000 years at least.
And if you want to play the game of early human settlement then what happened to the prehistoric people of Japan and how well do Ainu fare in Japan?
Point was that Japan was rich because we (West) opened our markets to Japan while the Americans actually built Japan. Americans did not have their civilians mass R=ed and killed by Japanese in WW2. They nuked Japan over Pearl Harbor, a military target. That was a war crime and a terrible sin. But anyway, that's beside the point. I brought up the loss of jobs because Japan owes a lot to the West. Now that Japan is a little bit, a tiny bit poorer that it was, built on the backs of our local job losses in the West and transfer of tech in the 19th and early 20th centuries,, there seems to be an ANTI-TOURIST sentiment perpetuated by some media, some establishments and so on. And you bring in clean streets as though people should be worshiping Japanese people and people like me don't know what clean streets are. You even arrogantly said that people can take something home -- to do with clean streets? What exactly? Japan can teach 'dirty' foreigners cleanliness? I think you overstepped your boundaries there.
Japanese do cause a nuisance abroad. Busses full of tourists taking pictures even of people and private places. Asking people to buy stuff for them at Luis Vuitton in Paris and going into private people's homes in the UK to take pics. That's what some Japanese tourists did in the 80s and 90s. But guess what, these people maybe came once in their lives and wanted to get what they could never to return. There was a stereotype of the typical Japanese tourist. But we didn't hate them.
Japanese people should not be cleaning any litter abroad. That's not their job. Also when there are travelers from afar one should be accommodating and tolerant. Maybe install more trash cans in tourist spots. That's what we do in Europe and elsewhere. That's a virtue. We respect people who saved money, sat for 20 hours on a plane and then in a strange land have 1-2 weeks to see as much as they can before leaving and leaving their money behind and generating soft power for Japan. Japanese people always like Europe and the West - they love Chopin, Mozart, our dress, our art, our cuisine, our tech, our history, but not us when we visit. That's what gets me.
I've already said that I don't know what sort of tourists the PLA will be but if people want to not be friendly to tourists including Western ones then maybe they need to be with North Korea.
(As for littering, my family and I, never liter. I always throw rubbish away or carry it with me in any country I'm in. That's not a uniquely Japanese thing. What will Japan teach me?)
Have a good day.
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@muralk3153 When you say best public toilets, can you provide a scientific peer reviewed study to prove this. Because as a scientist I have no idea how you would judge a best toilet. I find toilets all over the world to be very good, well it depends but many if not most are more than acceptable. As for the washlets I know Japanese people who refrain from using the public ones.
Because Italians and Spanish haven't had NO FOREIGNER signs for decades even when tourism is low and did not have TV stations which blame foreigners. They also don't employ mayors who blame foreigners even when the foreigners are less than 1% of the population as Tokyo had. Because these countries where applicable also apologised properly for WW2 and did not raise protests and force action when monuments to Japanese atrocities are erected in non Japanese cities.
Bali is a beach setting. I have no problems with the authorities fining individuals for bad behaviour. I have problems scapegoating all tourists and creating prejudice against all visitors. If someone behaves badly there is the police to manage them.
What do you mean the West has done far more damage? How long did Japan occupy China/Korea? About 10 years or so. What did they do in Nanking and other places? The Japanese even executed German (their allies) civilians.
Mark Felton has a film about that.
A sign saying NO FOREIGNERS allowed and your explanation illustrates. One is Japanese people pretending to be incompetent, and the other reason is racism. Again prejudice against all people is WRONG. Why do you support this. It's not modern and developed.
If you can't speak other languages, put a sign saying, ONLY JAPANESE LANGUAGE SPOKEN HERE, COME WITH YOUR OWN INTERPRETER.
What if a foreigner speaks Japanese? Or has an interpreter? Or uses AI on their phone which is pretty good these days?
Come on. This is 2024 and not 1850 when Japanese people saw these strange men for the first time. (I know they met other Europeans earlier).
I am criticiall of many Japanese because they are developed. Please don't say rational people because that implies that other people are not rational. That's implicit racism already.
Please try to see the nuance here. Japan on the one hand you claim is made up of rational people, but people who put NO FOREIGNER signs in their establishments. Really? Is that rational? No, that's just bigoted. And in fact wicked if the person who put such a sign was rational.
What do you mean those who condemn Japan for the past of WW2 are indulging in the same today? What does this mean? I'm against wars of aggression. I support Ukraine and NATO in helping Ukraine resist Russian aggression.
I haven't gone into a town with a sword to have a head cutting competition.
Anyway if you love your Japan you will want them to get their act in order.
If they don't want tourism they have to be equal to all visitors, local and foreign. If they want fewer foreigners impose restrictions on tourist visas. I don't mind that. Japan however is reluctant to do this because it creates a negative view of their country and hospitality.
Look how Japanese are welcomed in Europe, Brazil and US. No issues. But Japan does not reciprocate. Does not even try. It's quite sad.
Have a good day.
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@SpikoDreams You have a healthy, kind and civilised view of tourists and visitors. Tourists are people who have traveled often very far, have spent a lot of money, spent time traveling in discomfort, are tired, spend their holidays and money in the country they visit. They have to return home to go back to work in their 9 to 5 and sometimes longer hour job. The world is big. They could go anywhere, or go to a local destination in their own country or just stay at home and relax, but they chose to come to my country, I am happy with that. For me, they don't have to try to speak the local language. As long as they have basic civility - like not spit in my face, hit me or damage my property, they are 100% welcome. Non travelers don't know how difficult it is to travel. Travel is expensive. Travel is not comfortable. Travel is disruptive.
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@nathanbutcher7720 Well of course Japan didn't care if it appeared racist. Because Japan was in the US camp and became a US outpost and was built by the Americans. It then became a factory for the Americans, something which China has now become on a greater level. Japanese products used to be junk. Later they became better and Taiwan and HK was said to be rubbish, now some Chinese products are said to be rubbish, although the same Chinese are capable of assembling Macbooks which are very good machines, better in quality than Japanese made Vaio PCs.
Point is that Japan didn't have to care because Japan was developed. Now the rest of the world is catching up and Japan no longer produces TVs and computers - there is nothing to see in Akihabara. They still produce some advanced electronics but at the rate the others are going they will surpass that. The thing is that with others catching up and becoming rich and Japan becoming more poor, Japanese will be in a weaker position and will not be able to dictate to others and will need others. They will be kissing Indian peoples' behinds when they visit Japan and they'll open up the geishas to them, once they are sufficiently poor. And they will be poor because Japan is a small country with few resources and had enjoyed the relative advanced tech economy based on US hegemony. That's going away.
When I say racism, I don't mean the woke racism of America or Europe. I mean the open racism that is resented by mainland Asians, or rather chauvinism. Maybe racism is a wrong word. And those people have long memories. Anglo people don't understand this.
Foreigners in Japan may continue to face xenophobia but once Japan becomes sufficiency poor it will change and they may kiss the backsides of foreign Asians or other formerly less developed nations. They won't change because they're woke, they'll change because they'll have to, to have any meaningful economy at all.
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@michaelashby9654 They shouldn't. Nobody should. But tourists being tourists in touristy places is not disrespect. I think you're using a maladjusted not standard version of respect. Tourists are travelers on holiday, they're not at work, they're on holiday, and they come with their own behaviour to enjoy as much as possible in a short a time they have, so they take pictures and maybe occasionally litter, BUT THEY BRING MONEY! Japanese tourists also cause problems for locals when Japanese are the foreigners. But people give tourists a pass unless they are really criminal. In Europe we don't mind if people are a little noisy in tourist places, Japanese should not either, if they want to belong to the civilised world.Tourists only visit less than 1% of a given country unless your country is San Marino, Monaco, Singapore of Vatican City. The Japanese government since their defeat in WW2, has allowed tourism. They promote it. Those Japanese who exaggerate the minor inconveniences of tourists should STFU because they're DISRESPECTFUL to their emperor and his government which wants tourists there. Obey the government.
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