Comments by "Sammy B" (@sammyb1651) on "Why WOMEN DON'T APOLOGIZE: understanding the nature of the problem" video.

@sarahrobertson634 Derisory response, Sarah. You're stopped engaging intellectually so I've already won the argument. Getting schooled here as anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see. Very best wishes to your son by the way. Hope he doesn't lose his kids-and you your grandkids in the process-just because his wife shares his mom's values! 😀
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@sarahrobertson634 Lol! Tell me you've lost the argument without telling me you've lost the argument. Incidentally-just because I'm curious-you stated quite coldly that women can simply replace men who insist on an apology with those that don't. As a response I thought it was very admirable in its honesty, however I couldn't help but wonder; are you content for your son's future wife to bin him off like that if he stands on his principles? For someone more obsequious I mean. Perhaps take his kids and home from him in the process? It's one to conjure with isn't it, I'm sure you'd agree? Also, do you think over the longer term the phenomenon you described simply makes for worse behaviour from one sex? I mean it's nice to get your own way and not feel like you have to atone for your errors/apologise, but if it you keep getting away with stuff it can kind of make you a sh!tty person. Over the long run. I don't know, but certainly if I were you I think both of the above hypotheticals would give me pause for thought. Certainly I think they'd make me a modicum less smug in any event. Submitted for your thoughts.
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@modickens1272 How they make MEN feel is irrelevant. There's an important distinction. They are very careful (or I should say, deliberate) about how they make other women feel. Observe how they are very careful about the feelings of female friends. In regards to men, broadly speaking they take the view that a man should not have feelings. They see a man's proper function as being caretakers of THEIR feelings, but not vice versa. A women will blithely make a man responsible for her happiness while fighting tooth and nail to deny any responsibility for his. It flows in one direction and one direction only. Women are different by degree, and it's silly to say they're all alike in every sense, however one thing you would do well to remember is the following. When it comes to relationships, the ONE thing that EVERY woman has in common is the unshakable belief that she SHOULD get things her own way.
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@sarahrobertson634 TL;DR. It's a population level discussion. You've made the classic female error of personalising it. It doesn't matter what you want or I want, so we can dispense with all that. The fact of the matter is women (net) want more money/resources/services than they're prepared to pay for themselves. In short they consume far more than they produce, so the surplus comes from men (net). Once upon a time that surplus would have come from a male directly, within the confines of a relationships, and would have been traded for attention and other reciprocal benefits. Now it's been outsourced to government and is extracted indirectly via taxes on pain of criminal sanction. It still comes from male labour though (net), just without the reciprocal benefits. So all things being equal, applying your logic, men should be able to opt out of that if they decide it doesn't benefit them. You can pay all you want to make up the shortfall if it makes you feel any better personally. Or women could opt to receive less in govt benefits/services for crap they don't need or don't deserve. It's exactly the same argument re: entitlement to attention. Women won't go for that though. Either receiving less or paying more for their sisters. And so your whole argument fails for rank hypocrisy.
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@sarahrobertson634 abject fail.
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@theironson1043 Cheers! I've reached very similar conclusions to you IronSon. Happily though it does make me immune to their tactics. I could predict with certainty she'd turn to shaming. Only I'm not remotely shamed as I have zero interest in qualifying myself to her as a female. Ultimately what I tend to do is point out the proximal/distal conundrum. It's completely unassailable. In other words, just because they can do something in the short term doesn't mean it's ultimately good to do something in the long term. So she can easily get rid of a man who expects an apology? Great. No doubt that makes her feel like she has the upper hand. But what about when her son's wife does the same thing? He's lost his family, home (and possibly takes his life) and she's lost her grandchildren. Great outcome. It's the junk food argument. Yeah tastes great and is easy, but harms you in the long run.
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Damn that was a very real comment!
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@modickens1272 Your point about their true feelings towards other women is taken. I completely agree, that's very often the case. Not exclusively so, but it's certainly common. That's why I intentionally used the word 'deliberate' in fact. They don't always authentically care about female friends feelings (in a loving or benevolent way), but as a rule they are exceptionally careful about how they make them feel, or to exhibit the appearance of caring about how they feel.
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@beanallene I didn't say anything about crappy. You're over personalising it. Manipulation is an evolutionary trait/behaviour. Population level observations are perfectly valid. It's how we understand the world around us and learn. It's important we learn the general rule and it's immaterial that there are exceptions. Equally population level observations can be incorrect. I'm happy for women to say "all men are trash" and be wrong. Women are wrong about lots of things when it comes to men. Typically that remark is levelled against men when a man simply isn't doing what the female wants or expects them to do. Whatever that might be. So in other words, performing to her expectations. In fact that bolsters my original point. Generally speaking Western society functions by women saying what they want and men doing what women want. Men are rewarded for giving women what they want and by minimising any wants of their own. If a man starts exhibiting lots of personal wants (call them emotions if you will) which don't function in any way to serve the female imperative, watch how quickly that relationship fails. Ergo she really doesn't care about his emotions at all (where they don't benefit her).
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How they make MEN feel is irrelevant. There's an important distinction. They are very careful (or I should say, deliberate) about how they make other women feel. Observe how they are very careful about the feelings of female friends. In regards to men, broadly speaking they take the view that a man should not have feelings. They see a man's proper function as being caretakers of THEIR feelings, but not vice versa. A woman will blithely make a man responsible for her happiness while fighting tooth and nail to deny any responsibility for his. It flows in one direction and one direction only. Women are different by degree, and it's silly to say they're all alike in every sense, however one thing you would do well to remember is the following. When it comes to relationships, the ONE thing that EVERY woman has in common is the unshakable belief that she SHOULD get things her own way.
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@sarahrobertson634 That's a completely fair comment. The corollary of it however is that women aren't entitled to mens tax dollars for their myriad and ever expanding demands of big government. Men=net tax payers, women=net tax consumers. Women state men aren't entitled to their attention yet consider themselves perfectly entitled to mens labour. That's where women typically lose sight of the argument however. Obviously. No axe to grind btw. I don't want female attention and I don't want to subsidise feckless, entitled females either.
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@sarahrobertson634 You've failed, Sarah. All your arguments amount to is "women do x therefore y". As though this trumps everything. I might as well counter with: women can't give birth without men providing semen. Or, most farmers are men, ergo if they didn't farm then women/society would starve. Or most builders are men, ergo if they didnt build and maintain buildings, people would be exposed to the elements...so they wouldn't even live until old age let alone have hospitals for women to nurse the elderly in. They're all pointless arguments. They have no bearing on the only material point. I'm going to leave it there as, in fairness, I suspect you lack the education required to have the discussion. By contrast my profession (attorney) utilises critical argument on a daily basis and allows me to see right through your nonsense. Incidentally it's telling how you avoid the question about your son. I'd be ashamed too if I was you. Lol.😘
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@sarahrobertson634 You're done, Sarah. You've been rode hard and put away wet. Simply not worth my time.
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@sarahrobertson634 Uproarious stuff. You can have my share that I don't want. Haven't you got fake patients to attend to? Lol.
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@beanallene I don't believe women disregard mens emotions because "society has taught them men don't have emotions". Women KNOW men have emotions. They don't disregard them either for that matter. Quite the contrary; they're very attuned to them as this allows them to manipulate them to their own advantage. The most accurate way of putting it is that they do not care about mens emotions, where those emotions offer no perceivable opportunity for advantage to the female. If a man exhibits any emotion which the female sees no personal advantage in, compassion is set at zero and it does not move. Women are interested in emotions that benefit them.
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