Comments by "Aga" (@aga5109) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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Dr. Peterson, thank you for inviting Dr.McGilchrist back. It was such a great discussion & brilliant book he wrote!
I understand external processes as the effects and manifestations of internal ones.
"Radical simplification" in today's culture wars using simplifying algorithms.
The basis of what is right or wrong comes from ideological identifications with ideological dogmas not from moral law also encoded in the Bible and the tradition, teachings.
It is rightly called algorithmic, procedural, constrained, under control, left hemispheric, collapsing the complex into crude, over simplifying and blind to what else can be true.
It is not wise.
Our culture permeates with left hemispheric thinking and ideas.
It simlifies and trivialises practically everythig.
It perpetuates the Dunning - Kruger effect.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills.
In the effects of trauma, a person disengages from reality as it is by turning to cognitive mechanisms that further distort what there is. A collection of distorted mechanisms builds distorted ideas, which form an illusion of reality - an ideology. This process happens again and again in human history. We are on the way to develop another one on a grand scale. I'd say the left hemispheric functions take part in it to curb the uncounscious the right hemisphere is more in touch with. It is a process of compressing reality into an illusion everyone should believe in for survival reasons.
And act it out.
To me, it seems in some part acting out traumas or brain malfunctions, where there is a lack of proper integration of its different functions on societal level.
Partly due to a sudden rapture in trust and a safe relationship in trauma, one starts to believe that one can't believe his embodied experience because it is untrustworthy and dangerous. What it can cause is resorting to an illusion of the reality built by the defence mechanisms, which is internally safer and gets projected outward. World starts to operate in projection out of survival. There is a rupture in the process of integration of embodied experience and partly alienation from it. It brings alienation from reality as it is also from "the uncounscious, "the realm of God, and embodied experience and deep emotions. It is like being out of touch with processing of a process of reality, aggreviting alienation from oneself, God, others, reality as an effect.
It is like being stuck in a frozen picture of reality in ever changing flow and evolving process of life.
The culture that is built from the frozen frame acts as an epigenetic mechanism shaping phenotypic expressions passed on to the next generation - transmission of trauma.
BRILLIANT podcast! Thank you!
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To me, it looks like overly simplistic mathematical models built on crude theories - the theory of evolution is - about highly complex systems & processes leading to absurd self- refuting findings & walking in a fog.
For example, the complexity of perception, information processing, and modelling of the reality in humans can not be described by crude models related to simple organisms.
In my view, the complexity of "a receiver & a processor of signals" from the outside world is necessary to correctly approximate the complexity of the outside world for survival & adaptation to it.
Thus, the higher complexity of a brain (mind), the better approximation of the reality we perceive & model its representations.
What we can not perceive is described by mathematical equations, which are confirmed by experiments & data that rander them valid.
& further on applicable in technological applications.
But not only. There are higher goals than merely survival of genes & adaptation.
It is evident in humans. Why do we perceive & process art? Why do we sacrifice life for non related others?
It shows to me that the evolution theory & mathematical models build on it, if applied to complex systems, lead to absurd theories like Hoffman's Methaphisical Conscious Realism Thesis & and results
Maybe these presuppositions & calculations work for simple organisms only.
It entails a great degree of reductionism.
Reductionism is over simplifying something highly complex & it is not true.
I'm a psychologist myself, with strong interests in physics.
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Aristotele versus Plato views in ontology, utopia of pure intellect (we can include transhumanism, scientism & mechanistic worldview in it) versus experiencing, as he calls it, "betweeness"/Gestalt, Logos versus Mythos, what can psychopathology of schizophrenia teach us, what are the consequences of poor processing of emotions ( including defence mechanisms and autism), the uncounscious, consciousness, what is truth, left versus right hemisphere functioning & response to the perceived and processed reality are, amongst other relevant topics, brilliantly described in the newest book by Dr.Iain McGilchrist " The matter with things".
I know this book is gigantic but it is worth reading & worth the time spend on it!
I think that it might be a great addition to an interesting discussion on this podcast.
It is a truly BRILLIANT, comprehensive book. I am finishing the first volume. I'd like to recommend it to everyone who is interested in a complex take on different scientific issues, also relevant to what has been said on this podcast.
" There is a clear connexion between the will to power of the left hemisphere of a brain, and a tendency to try to make reality conform to our theory; wisdom lies in conforming one's theory as far as possible to experience".
Dr. Iain McGilchrist "The matter with things".
Thank you both for interesting conversation! 🤍
Happy Christmas!
Peace on Earth! ❤
P.S. Dr.Peterson you must have Dr.McGilchrist back on your podcast!
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