Comments by "Lepi Doptera" (@lepidoptera9337) on "Does Superdeterminism save Quantum Mechanics? Or does it kill free will and destroy science?" video.
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@YngvinLion Wave function collapse is not a thing. The correct way of looking at it is in the context of reversible and irreversible physical processes. Only the irreversible ones are "real". Why? Because a reversible process doesn't leave a long term trace in the world. It comes and it goes. It's forgotten, even by the universe. The intellectual challenge, of course, is to leave the confines of your mental nursery behind. In high school and in early undergrad education even at the university level we are building up this fantasy that the world is reversible. In reality, however, the reversible processes are irrelevant. Hamiltonian mechanics can't tell you how many times the Earth has been around the sun. Only rock erosion can. All we know and learn about this world comes from the very processes theorists dislike because they are hard to calculate. ;-)
Similarly the randomness/determinism pair is childish thinking. The primary observation is not that the universe is random. It's that the future is not predictable. 19th century physics could not predict the future any better than we can and not for a lack of computing power. The future is simply not fixed, no matter how hard one looks. So how did they come up with that determinism fantasy? Because after an eternity (well, 300,000 years) of human evolution in an environment that seemed random and hostile, they finally managed to predict one thing: an elliptical orbit of a planet. That was it. They couldn't even do two planets. Today we know that two is already too many. One is it, plus a harmonic oscillator and a handful of other systems. It was that tiny success that lead to the hubris of "determinism". It's not a scientific term. It's philosophical nonsense.
So that leaves the question where the universe seeds "indeterminism" (NOT the same as randomness!) from? Relativity. A simple look at a space time diagram can show you that it comes from space-like events. And that is the entire story here.
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@Thomas-gk42 Well, there is a kind of soft determinism that assumes that a godlike being can predict everything, even if man can't. Often that's a animist kind of belief system that assigns some form of personality to nature. "Nature knows what is going to happen next." is, of course, a completely nonsensical idea. What does it even mean that nature knows if she can't tell you because of relativity????
Technically hard determinism falls flat on its face even classically, see e.g. Maxwell's demon as an example for the consequences of such a perfect predictor. If you want to take it from there, then a perfect prediction machine can predict at your birth who will marry you, when you will die and, most importantly, it can resurrect you by turning the motion of your molecules around! Wait a minute... how can a machine that can resurrect you at the same time predict the time of your death? ;-)
As with all things "perfect", one can produce trivial contradictions by consistently applying that attribute. It is, logically, pretty much like an argument for a perfect, all-knowing god.
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@professornebula6545 Where did I mention randomness with regards to microscopic processes? I didn't. One can actually prove pretty easily that the microscopic world can not be random. Random process inevitably create dissipation and we don't observe dissipation. There is even a fitting name for this proof: fluctuation-dissipation theorem.
Energy, momentum and a few other quantities are perfectly conserved locally as far as we know. This is so both at the macro- and at the microscopic level. What is locally not "conserved", so to speak, is our knowledge about the world. How comes? It's caused by phenomena like non-integrability for classical Newtonian systems (which make the claim that everything can be calculated nonsensical, even at the most primitive level of physics) and even more so by relativity once we look at the world the way it really is.
In a relativistic universe all systems are necessarily open. Energy, momentum and angular momentum are constantly "escaping" towards infinity. That leakage is what makes the local state unpredictable. We can't do the local accounting unless we "collect" all the missing energy etc. with some "hermetic" detector array that surrounds our local coordinates. To get the information about the measured results back we also have to wait for the finite time that a measured signal takes to propagate back to us from our distant collecting array. So that means that the current state can only be fully known in the future and even then only if we are extremely diligent (which is not even possible). In practice this means that the present is entangled with the future. It's not just any near term future. It's the entire future of the universe.
THAT is what causes the world to be non-deterministic. It doesn't mean that it's random, but it means that it's not knowable, neither to us nor to nature.
If you want a poetic description, try this: How do you know what you look like? You need to look into a mirror. Well, surprise! So does nature and because she doesn't have a mirror, she can't tell you what she looks like, either. Makes sense?
You are correct about one thing. Whether I have a PhD or not makes no difference to my arguments. It does make a difference to me, because it means that I have been thinking about this very thoroughly for a very long time. Much, much more thoroughly than most people. That causes a level of mental clarity that is otherwise hard to achieve. You can get there, as well, you just have to spend the fifty years on this stuff that I put in, already, and unlike you I am exercising every day on the internet by trying to explain physics to people, whether they want to hear it, or not. Every time I am repeating my argument I am learning, whether any of you are listening, or not. I am much, much more knowledgeable about the basics of physics than I was 20+ years ago when I began talking about physics on the internet. I used to tell people a lot of bs about quantum mechanics back then, but then I noticed that I was talking bs and I began learning. Today I know better. I am self-correcting. Can you do that, yet?
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@longcastle4863 That's the problem with laymen. They see bullshit and they immediately swallow bullshit without even doing a smell test. No, "probability wave" is not an actual concept in physics. It doesn't even make sense as a word. A probability is the imaginary continuation of a measured frequency of events in the limit of an infinite number of experiments. First of all it's not even possible to perform the same experiment an infinite number of times, hence not even probabilities are physical, and secondly the process of repetition of experiments does not spread as a wave.
This is irrespective of the fact that quantum mechanics talks about uncertainty and not about probability, to begin with. Uncertainties can be time reversal invariant (and quantum systems are). Probabilities, which are the results of stochastic processes, can not be. You are not just barking up the wrong tree here, layman, you are not even in the right forest. And, yes, that's not your fault. Nearly 100% of the "information" you can find outside of the better textbooks on the subject is about as fake as one of Trump's speeches.
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@longcastle4863 I apologize that I wasn't gentle. Please understand, I am merely here for my own amusement. This ain't physics to me, either, but entertainment. And, yes, I do have a mean streak, but then... I am not asking for your friendship, am I?
If you really care about physics, this isn't the place. The best place on the internet that I know about (and it is fabulous) is the physics stackexchange. There are hundreds of extremely smart people on there who can actually walk you through all the details, if you want. Take care and peace to you, too.
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