Comments by "Lepi Doptera" (@lepidoptera9337) on "Dr. John Campbell" channel.

  1. This matches the experience of my family members with wildtype, delta and omicron, except that it often lasted up to 14 days and one person still has long COVID-19 symptoms.
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  2. @nigwasme Nobody in my family who had either Pfizer or Moderna got COVID-19 even once. The only vaccinated people in my family who got sick had the sinovac vaccine, which I would consider pretty much ineffective. The other eight who got sick are antivaxxers. Makes sense, doesn't it? :-)
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  3. He should have taken the advice of the antivaxxers and eaten better. ;-)
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  4. The man is losing his mind. Why would masking (if done right) not be beneficial? Why would social distancing not be beneficial????
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  5. Yes, he seems to have lost his mind recently and is arguing total bullshit. A look at the South African data shows that there is no zero bottom for COVID-19. Some parts of the world are already building up for the next wave. Even my county, which thanks to the large number of educated people has some of the highest vaccination rates in the world, has seen an uptick over the last week. I still hope that's just a statistical blip, but if not, then the pattern of the disease returning after people are relaxing will be repeating itself.
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  6. I am sure you also have a lot of interesting posts on the flat Earth. :-)
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  7. No, the natural immunity claim is completely false. Eight of my relatives had COVID-19 twice now. A further two had it three times, already. There is no such thing as "natural immunity".
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  8. Sounds like complete bullshit.
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  9. You have long COVID? Well, that worked out really well for you, didn't it? Just imagine what the two days of slight malaise after the vaccinations would have felt like. You clearly made the right choice there. ;-)
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  10. The death rate in the unvaccinated is still high. The death rate in vaccinated and boosted individuals is approaching "reasonable" levels, probably comparable to other forms of pneumonia. Having said that, if you don't want to die at a "reasonable" level of risk, either, then I suggest you distance socially. Nobody ever got this disease from the distance.
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  11. That is correct. What vaccines actually do is to reduce the number of infections that turn a person into an effective vector, therefor they reduce the ability of the microorganism to multiply effectively. Ideally the disease dies out once the entire population has been vaccinated. A natural infection, however, is the very process that generates the vector, hence it enhances the ability of the microorganism to spread. What happens inside the body in either case is completely irrelevant from an epidemiological standpoint. The only question of interest is whether the organism can spread or not. With vaccination it can't, with "natural immunity" (which does not exist to begin with), it can and does.
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  12.  @intheyear2510  That you don't. Eight relatives of mine had COVID-19 for the second time a couple months ago and two had it for the third time. This natural immunity thing has become like the second coming of Jesus. It's religion, not fact. You have immunity after infection for half a year, maybe a year, then your antibody count is down and the virus has mutated and you are vulnerable, again. Just how hard is that to understand? It was never any different from the flu and the common cold in that regard. It's just a lot more deadly than the flu and the common cold.
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  13. You don't have "an exact" immunity level. That's just bullshit that you read somewhere on the internet. If you had COVID-19 the first time, then you will get it a second and a third time, just like you are getting the flu over and over, again. :-)
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  14. Maybe they will get you a certificate the next time you get it or the time after that. ;-)
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  15. This is Canada's list of severe symptoms that prompt a visit to the ER: new or worsening cough shortness of breath or difficulty breathing temperature equal to or more than 38°C feeling feverish chills fatigue or weakness muscle or body aches new loss of smell or taste headache abdominal pain, diarrhea and vomiting feeling very unwell Critical breathing problems are not on the official list. By the time you have those it's probably better to call the undertaker and to finish your last will and testament.
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  16.  @stephanievaarsi1588  No, of course not. As you said yourself, only delta can cause that. Except that he got long COVID-19 before delta. ;-)
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  17. I just learned that two of my relatives (not even in the antivaxxer branch) now got COVID-19 for the third time. He was already suffering from long COVID-19 symptoms, by all accounts it really ruined his health and now he got re-infected, most likely by his wife who works with kids in facilities that have not shut down. It's a shame. They are very nice people. For some people neither previous infections nor vaccines provide enough protection. We need far better policies with respect to people who have a naturally weak immune response to this disease.
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  18. You mean it's not a COVID death when you have kidney failure while on the respirator with COVID? :-)
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  19.  @emilw82  You wouldn't know that you are infectious at the beginning of the disease, kid. Keep enjoying my attention. :-)
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  20. Better, actually. I had Modern and I never had COVID. My antivaxxer relatives (all eight of them) had it twice now. :-)
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  21. Do you always have bad taste in people? ;-)
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  22. You clearly need to acquaint yourself with more intelligent people. ;-)
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  23. There is no need to. We don't care about infections. We care about hospitalizations and deaths.
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  24. Calm down.
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  25. You can ask eight of my family members. They got it in mid 2020 and they had it again a couple months ago. Natural immunity is simply not a thing after eighteen months.
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  26. @nigwasme Yes, kid, I am here for you. Sorry that your Mom wasn't. ;-)
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  27.  @joefish6091  I am here for you, too, kid. :-)
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  28.  @dantronics1682  Viruses don't "try" anything. It's just evolution at work, and you are the breeding ground. :-)
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  29. You mean the fake news? Sure, why not.
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  30. You should talk to my eight antivaxxer relatives who had COVID-19 for the second time, already. They were all sick for two weeks, again. They didn't have "mild symptoms", either, neither the first nor the second time. And then there is the couple that had it for the third time... he has long COVID-19 symptoms in addition. So much for "natural immunity". Immunity after infection lasts until the antibody counts are too low to protect you. It's that simple.
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  31.  @Frillar  This is not "anecdotal" to the folks I know. To them it is dead serious. Either way, as long as people get re-infected, the disease stays around. We have countries where it has already claimed one in two hundred lives. When is enough? One in a hundred? One in fifty? One in ten? What, exactly, are you waiting for? A miracle? God's angels appearing in the sky and inoculating people with god-rays? How did that work out for leprosy and smallpox? Those were cured by us. Smallpox was completely eradicated.
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  32. Nobody ever died from obesity or diabetes. Those are all just co-morbidities but they don't get you on a respirator. :-)
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  33.  @matthewguindon2750  How about you tell us something about how the moon landing was faked in a British studio? :-)
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  34.  @matthewguindon2750  And now you are feeling sorry for yourself. :-)
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  35. What do tanks have to do with infectious disease?
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  36. Well, he was right back then and is simply wrong, right now. It's that simple.
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  37. Well, then both you and your wife will be happy to learn that these are some of the safest vaccines the world ever had. ;-)
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  38. So he's your favorite bullshitter. OK.
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  39.  @epicchannel4724  Hello, kid. I am here to give you attention. Let's talk about your feelings. :-)
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  40. OK, Boomer. ;-)
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  41. Neither did other variants protect well against omicron. Either way, what little protection previous infections offer, it diminishes quickly over time. There is no realistic prospect for population level natural immunity from what we know.
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  42. Good for you. You will be pleasantly surprised when you survive it the second and the third time. :-)
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  43.  @Genesis-du8xf  Eight of my relatives had it twice and two others had it three times, already. Fact. :-)
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  44.  @kentadams8777  The eight are antivaxxers and the two who had it three times got vaccinated with sinovac after the first infection. I would consider that as basically unvaccinated. Nobody had boosters.
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  45. You could get COVID and recover. A hands on demonstration of just how harmless a disease it is should convince most people. What could possibly go wrong? ;-)
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  46. You shouldn't believe anything. You should read up on the facts. ;-)
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  47. And there is the lonely kid, again. :-)
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  48. The death rates aren't going down, either. He is simply using a wrong definition of death rate that is utterly irrelevant.
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  49.  @KiwikimNZ  I am from the US. You are hopefully not going to do as poorly as us.
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  50.  @captainmaim  Look, kid, if all you want is attention, just say so. :-)
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  51. I will let you in on a simple fact: the virus does not have a stock portfolio. All it cares about is to make you his reproductive organs. ;-)
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  52. Become a vector, instead. Also... possibly die on a ventilator. Always a fun activity in springtime. ;-)
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  53. You can ask a relative of mine. Long COVID-19 hangs on. It hangs on hard. I certainly won't go out without a mask until there are no more cases. If somebody has something to say about that, I will simply start coughing. ;-)
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  54. Because natural immunity doesn't last any more than immunity through the vaccines does. Remember those annual flu shots? Same thing.
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  55. Then don't. At this point nobody really cares how many times you come down with COVID and what it does to your health. You are an adult, right? And you value your freedom. Am I right? ;-)
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  56. You need to move to a place that is populated by intelligent people. Next!
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  57. It means that the next variant will cause the next peak. ;-)
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  58.  @xenostudios2.086  Not, it means that the pandemic will continue until basically everybody in Earth has been vaccinated.
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  59. No, if anything I was better on pretty much everything. I know another person who told me that he had gotten much better lab results. The reason is obvious: if you don't go to restaurants anymore, then you tend to eat less salty and fatty dishes.
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  60. It is also odd that these cases also happened in 2020 and 2021 before children were even vaccinated. :-)
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  61. Exactly. That's why my antivaxxer relatives had it twice now and two other relatives had it for the third time. Natural immunity works really well. Just not in this universe. :-)
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  62. So what did you find that makes them unsafe? :-)
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  63. Dr. John Campbell likes to shoot fast. It's a hit and miss. In this case it was a clear miss.
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  64. You are imagining a lot of things, it seems. Would you like some crayons with that?
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  65. Well, the Russians are free to remove Putin from power any time they like. He is not bullet proof.
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  66.  @tomkirkemo5241  It's time to learn from history.
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  67.  @tomkirkemo5241  It's never too late to learn.
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  68. It's so mild that 2000 Americans are dying from it every day.
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  69. The test accuracy depends on a lot of things. But since testing is completely useless unless you act on the results, it doesn't matter.
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  70. These people know the "truth" and it's eternal in their minds, so they don't need updates. The deliberate decision of humans of being wrong on purpose is the source of religion and you can see how well that worked for so long.
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  71. That question doesn't even make sense. "Natural immunity" means that you had COVID-19, which means that those who will develop long COVID-19 symptoms already have them. Long COVID-19 does not give natural immunity. I have a relative who has long COVID-19 symptoms and who had the active disease for a third time, already.
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  72.  @tonyking9235  Your keyboard is still broken. ;-)
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  73. You should be proud of her. She died while protecting others from a deadly disease.
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  74. Yes, the smallpox disappeared because people ate themselves healthy. Oh, wait... they didn't! They disappeared because we had a worldwide vaccination program. ;-)
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  75. Not in the US. :-)
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  76. So you got lucky. A million people in the US didn't get lucky and they are dead now. That's getting close to one in three hundred, you just didn't get to see the funerals and that's why you are completely ignorant about the real level of death that occurred.
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  77. And there is the person who has strong emotions about a US state. Happens a lot on the internet. ;-)
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  78. Sorry to hear that. Your experience matches that of my relatives. They caught a pre-alpha in 2020 and some of them described it as the worst experience of their lives. They got omicron a couple of months ago and everybody was really sick for about two weeks. It's nothing like a flu or a mild cold. One of them has long COVID symptoms in addition. He went from being healthy and fit (he did a 100km bike ride just shortly before he got infected) to having constant fatigue and pain. I wish you the best!
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  79.  @mightyblues7  I know a young medical doctor who had a case of a "mild" delta infection, but he caught it at work. I would assume that he took all the antivirals as soon as he tested positive, which would have been hours, if not days sooner than the average person. The young (in their early 20s) family members in my family complained about it being a horrible experience. The only really "mild" case for us was a less than one year old infant who had slight fewer for a couple of days. Yeah, sorry... the myth that "it's just a flu" doesn't want to go away, no matter how many people know better.
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  80.  @mightyblues7  He has COVID fatigue like most people who are commenting on it. He desperately wants to give you some good news when there is none. That's when people start to engage the magical thinking.
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  81. Unlikely, but it would be unethical to start a clinical trial to find them.
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  82. Yes, you are right... millions of people died of poor nutrition over the last two years. ;-)
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  83. Don't know about a couple of months, but eight of my relatives had it twice in about a year and a half and another couple had it for the third time now (he has long COVID in addition), so whatever immunity people get from an infection, it doesn't seem to last significantly longer than for e.g. the flu or the common cold.
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  84. Good news for the virus.
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  85. I had mononucleosis as an adult (I sipped from the wrong cup at a party... I didn't even get it through a kiss...). Boy, that was a rough year. I had to take unpaid time off from work because I was basically useless in the office. I had a good employer at the time who was willing to pay me for the hours I was in... but that was not fun.
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  86. Vaccines work two ways: they reduce mortality in those who get them (and that worked nicely) and ideally the disease can't spread in a fully vaccinated population. The last thing didn't work because too many people are not getting the vaccine. Of course it's those who didn't get the vaccines who are dying now... karma is a you know what.
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  87. That infected people aren't getting infected again is fairytale. I have eight antivaxxers in my family who got it for the second time a few months ago.
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  88. We will need updated vaccines for years to come. Just like for the flu. There is not much of a medical mystery here.
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  89. Did he essentially discover that Trump is an idiot who was voted into office by idiots? :-) That's a bit late, mate. We in the US have known about our conservative idiots for decades.
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  90.  @measlesplease1266  I haven't seen Biden suggest to people that they should inject bleach into their veins. Have you? ;-)
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  91. 2000 dead people a day in the US prove you wrong. :-)
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  92. In my family the statistical evidence is as follows: everybody who has been vaccinated with Moderna or Pfizer didn't have COVID-19 even once. The eight antivaxxers in the family had it twice and a couple who were vaccinated with sinovax had it three times, already. One person has long COVID-19 symptoms.
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  93. Medicine is always individualized. We don't cut off everybody's leg in a hospital ward just because one patient has gangrene. I have no idea what you are ranting on about.
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  94.  @patriciuss5743 That sounds like random gibberish. Is that what is on your mind? Random gibberish? :-)
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  95. Not in the data I have seen. Not in the data you have seen, either. ;-)
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  96. So that we will have a better vaccine against the newer variants. :-)
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  97. You know from a Brazil person? Goodness. The virus is extremely impressed by all the things you know. :-)
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  98.  @Secret-sw8ih  Eight of my relatives have gotten natural immunity twice now, two others three times. ;-)
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  99.  @metalpuppet5798  This is what really upsets me. The same people who have a lifetime of experience with flu and the common cold, neither of which humans have any level of "natural immunity" to, are claiming that this respiratory disease has to be magically different and disappear on its own. There is absolutely nothing in any of the data that we have seen that would indicate that COVID-19 won't cost millions of lives every year going forward, unless we actively prevent it from killing us.
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  100. Vitamin D to the rescue? Good luck with that. :-)
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  101. Wow, that was a lot of crazy bullshit.
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  102. In other words... natural immunity doesn't exist. Exactly.
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  103. He kind of lost it lately. There are ever more analysis errors in his posts.
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  104. That's cool, but reality does not care what you believe or not. So what point are you trying to make? That we should applaud you on the internet because you made a foolish statement?
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  105. What were they wrong about? 97% of all people who are dying of COVID are unvaccinated.
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  106. We are teaching them using the modern literature on the topic, which is probably not known to Dr. Campbell. :-)
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  107. Now that was fake news worth 50 cents. ;-)
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  108. Did it explain that there is no such thing as natural immunity and why such a thing can not exist? :-)
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  109. No, you will simply see a new variant.
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  110. And there is the kid who needs attention. ;-)
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  111. In other words, you didn't learn anything of importance here. :-)
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  112. Hey, shouldn't the Russian 50 cents army be focused on maligning Ukraine? :-)
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  113. And there is fake news guy, again. ;-)
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  114.  @anacquaintanceofbenjaminbu4255  True... it was always fake. ;-)
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  115.  @anacquaintanceofbenjaminbu4255  You can claim any bullshit on the internet. It's that simple. :-)
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  116.  @anacquaintanceofbenjaminbu4255  See, there is a steaming pile of bullshit, right there. ;-)
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  117.  @anacquaintanceofbenjaminbu4255  Happy reading. I have seen documents like that. While you are reading, 1500 people are dying in the US from COVID-19 every day. See, now that is an actual fact that counts. :-)
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  118.  @anacquaintanceofbenjaminbu4255  Is that going to save even a single life, kid? You need to grow up and stop the magical thinking, already. ;-)
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  119. Not a single person was ever forced to get the vaccine. ;-)
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  120. Well, if you want your kid to become a disease vector, then you are mad. Why is that even a question?
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  121. The virus doesn't care what you are afraid of or not. It simply takes you and makes you its reproductive organs. I wonder how you would feel if a man would do exactly the same without asking. No offence, but the biological function is exactly the same.
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  122. Yes, we can't help the people who are most stupid. Couldn't even do that in school. :-)
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  123.  @timbaldwin6283  Look, Tim, I am always here for people who didn't get attention from their mothers. Just say the word and we talk for as long as you need to feel better about yourself. ;-)
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  124.  @timbaldwin6283  There you go, kid. Let it all out! That's the spirit! :-)
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  125.  @timbaldwin6283  I told you that I would be listening to you and I am. ;-)
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  126.  @timbaldwin6283  I am still listening, kid. You are very important to me. :-)
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  127. I am having this tingling feeling every time I see bullshit on the internet. It just don't want to go away. ;-)
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  128. Sure you have, kid. Let me pay some attention to you. ;-)
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  129. Children are highly effective vectors and that is why they need to be vaccinated.
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  130. And there is the kid with "Bill Gates disease". ;-)
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  131.  @robertdurham7480  Bill Gates has become their new antichrist. :-)
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  132. What harm did the vaccine do?
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  133. It was for all the people who are still alive thanks to it.
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  134.  @aledmorgan92  So what you are saying is that you simply don't care about keeping people alive? OK. Whatever. :-)
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  135. There is an obvious reason why he doesn't: he is not qualified. ;-)
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  136. That's your own fault, then. They told you not to get together over the holidays... and what did you do? You got together over the holidays.
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  137. Yes, and none of that made even the slightest difference to the people you infected while you were shedding the virus.
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  138. You think the virus is watching these videos on the internet? :-)
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  139. In epidemiology 101 they teach that there is no "natural immunity". They even teach that in middle school. :-)
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  140.  @heynow01  Not really, but they taught me how to know a bullshitter when I see one. I am looking at you, kid. ;-)
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  141.  @heynow01  I wasn't confronted with facts. You want to know a fact? Eight of my own relatives had COVID for the second time and two others had it three times already. That fact rules out the "natural immunity" hypothesis completely. :-)
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  142. I discovered that eight of my relatives had COVID-19 twice and one couple had it three times. I also discovered that none of the family members who got vaccinated with Moderna and Pfizer got it even once. :-)
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  143.  @FleetingDream755  The difference is that you made those 20 people up, while I know everybody in my family personally. :-)
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  144.  @FleetingDream755  Yes, I also presume that Paul was lying when he wrote that 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus but then failed to tell us who they are. Why wouldn't I? Did you see Jesus walking around today? I didn't. :-)
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  145.  @FleetingDream755  I am simply saying that I know ten people personally who completely invalidate the hypothesis that COVID-19 infection immunizes against future COVID-19 infections. You are a bit slow, aren't you? :-)
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  146. And god will give it to them the second time around next Christmas. And then a year later for the third time. God is great and gives with both hands, sometimes with three. And if you believe in Shiva, then you can get your fill from four. Ganesha gives with six and Durga with eight to ten. ;-)
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  147.  @harrymoody3021  Well, thank you for responding with bullshit. Once the vaccination rate is high enough to reduce R_0 to less than 1.0, the disease dies out. That's the reason why everybody has to be vaccinated, to prevent the disease from establishing itself in an unvaccinated subpopulation. This is epidemiology 101. Fail. ;-)
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  148. Probably not long. Six months, top. There are signs in the data that the next wave is already building.
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  149. Also false, in this case. ;-)
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  150. We do know that excess mortality is way higher than official COVID deaths, which means that a lot more people are dying because of COVID than the statistics show.
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  151. Sounds good. Would you say this personally to the relatives of the 2000 people in the US who are dying every day from omicron? ;-)
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  152. Q me in... didn't Trump say that it was just like a cold and that it would be over by Easter 2020? :-)
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  153. The problem is that "infection generates natural immunity" is not even true.
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  154. All it means is that Dr. John Campbell had a really bad day and he needs to think harder about the meaning of the data. :-) Just in case you want hard data: eight people in my family had COVID-19 twice and two had it three times, already. That is what the reality of it looks like. There is no reliable "natural immunity".
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  155. Bwaahahhhhahahhhhahaa... you have obviously never tried to get on a station in a US hospital, kid. :-)
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  156.  @genericfemale1093  It is relevant because it shows that you are talking about something you have absolutely no experience with. So are you a Chinese troll or a Russian one? :-)
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  157. We have evidence that it is at least 0.5%. That was for the original virus. If it mutates into an organism resembling SARS, then it's going to be much worse.
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  158.  @walterparks1872  We didn't know about the virus in 2019, kid. Somebody needs to teach you how to use the calendar. ;-)
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  159.  @walterparks1872  Then he needs a lesson in calendar science himself. ;-)
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  160. There is no such thing as "natural immunity". That's just wishful thinking. We know that antibody count keeps going down both after vaccination and natural infection. The difference is that those who are vaccinated are less likely to become vectors. Those who are getting infected with the virus are vectors by definition.
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  161. OMG! There are blood vessels everywhere! Captain Jane Obvious to the rescue! :-)
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  162.  @janelord3061  Yes, they are pretty, aren't they? :-)
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  163. You don't have to believe anything. I, for instance, know that my eight anti-vaxxer relatives had VOCID-19 twice now. Two other relatives who got sinovac had it three times. None of the people in the family who had either Pfizer or Moderna had it even once. These are hard facts. They speak for themselves.
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  164. So it doesn't matter. Nobody in the medical community cares how you define "infection". What the medical community cares about is how to prevent you from dying on a ventilator.
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  165.  @patriciuss5743  I have never seen a doctor who has treated the definition of a word, though. They usually treat patients. ;-)
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  166.  @patriciuss5743  Dude, people who can do, people who can't talk bullshit on the internet. You are obviously in the latter group. :-)
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  167. To late for that, old girl, I am afraid. ;-)
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  168. We have also been told that previously infected are super immune, but it didn't work for my antivaxxer relatives. The entire branch of the family got it 18 months later for the second time. ;-)
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  169. Sounds good. They are not making any money with it where my relatives like, either... and eight of them had COVID-19 for the second time and two others had it three times now. :-)
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  170. We can and the smart people will. It's the abundance of fools out there that are causing the problem.
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  171.  @sms4hou676  You weren't fine when you got COVID. You were a vector who was giving it to others. You hung out with sick people? See, there is no end to it because you all are acting with the stupidity of beans straw. And did all your "boosted" friends and families have huge Christmas and New Year gatherings by any chance? See who is the problem? :-)
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  172. My eight antivaxxer family members have a different story to tell. They already caught the virus for a second time. So much for "natural immunity". :-)
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  173. Canada is half a continent. You can travel for days and days and days within Canada if you want. Just how much space does a person need to be happy?
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  174. Nine out of ten people who are dying from covid are unvaccinated. I guess we are not in Kansas anymore, Rita. :-)
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  175. Especially for a person who taught nurses to vaccinate against flu once a year. ;-)
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  176. Even that is an irrational strategy. My relatives just had covid for the second time. They had it early in the pandemic in 2020 and now, roughly 18 months later they had it again. They clearly must have had antibodies, but there were either not enough of them or they were the wrong antibodies that did not protect them sufficiently against the current strain. It is clearly not a simple yes/no problem.
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  177. So you have data that shows the NZ hospitals were full with covid cases? Please show. ;-)
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  178. What's wrong with 87% lower risk of hospitalization or death than placebo in high risk patients? That's an excellent outcome.
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  179. What makes you believe that it will give you stronger immunity? You never had immunity to the flu and the common cold. If you can't figure something this trivial out on your own, then you are not ready for university, yet.
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  180.  @Bethtilburn  Cosmetology and rhythmic dancing? Sure, why not. :-)
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  181. It's also not true, so there's that.
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  182. And there is the fake news guy, again. :-)
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  183.  @danmattson6980  Yes, you do strike me "naive" that way. :-)
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  184.  @danmattson6980  That's exactly why I don't believe any of your bullshit, kid. Now you got it. :-)
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  185.  @danmattson6980  It's bullshit. See how easy this is? :-)
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  186.  @danmattson6980  I don't have any hope that idiots who are dealing in fake news will ever grow up. ;-)
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  187.  @danmattson6980  What comes directly from the source? Not the bullshit that you are peddling. :-)
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  188. Got a link to it? :-)
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  189. Israel has a very mediocre vaccination rate. At least try to troll with halfway believable statements, kid.
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  190.  @michaelgonzalez619  Dude, that may have been true a year ago. It's not even close to true today. Stop lying.
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  191. Flu and vomiting? High fever? In what universe was that??? Fatigue is a general sign of virus infections and was always associated with COVID. How did that change? You aren't making any sense.
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  192.  @susanperry9311  Eight of my relatives had omicron a couple months ago (that was the second time they got COVID-19). They reported loss of taste, cough, difficulty breathing, fever and malaise that lasted up to two weeks. All of them tested positive for COVID-19. Thanks for the reassurances, but I got all the data I need. The general assessment in my family is that COVID-19 is far worse than the flu. The fist time they got it some family members said it was the worst they had ever felt in their lives. One couple had it three times now and one person has long COVID-19 on top. Thankfully we didn't have any fatalities, yet, but I won't count on it for the future.
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  193.  @susanperry9311  First time they had it was wildtype or pre-alpha or whatever you want to call it. The second time was already in the omicron wave, but you are correct, it may have been delta. The couple that had it three times had a wildtype and most likely a delta... so that kind of makes the third infection likely an omicron variant. Be that as it may, none of them ever said that it was "light". I only know one person with a light infection: a doctor who got it at work. The other people I know never had it... but then, they are fully vaccinated and boosted. The "sick" group in my family consists of antivaxxers and the couple that had it three times only had access to sinovac. They may as well have been given saline, IMHO. The other obvious division in my family is socioeconomics: everybody who got COVID was among the less affluent family members without higher education. Those who didn't were more affluent and better educated, i.e. they took far better care of themselves with masking and social distancing.
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  194.  @susanperry9311  In my family bad choices all boil down to poor education. Don't get me wrong, these are awfully nice people. I like them. They are not malicious or anything. They simply don't have a working bullshit meter and they have been told all kinds of nonsense about vaccination on the internet. Their go-to phrase about COVID was "We are in god's hands now.", to which the remainder of the family responded with "And god was giving with both hands!" when they got infected for the second time. The simple fact is that one can't talk sense into people who don't have it already.
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  195. That's cool, Dude. Unless you get boosted every six to twelve months you will have COVID-19 again within a year or two tops. The disease mutates and your immune system response weakens. Have fun with it and when the virus starts multiplying in your body, just show it your certificate. I bet it will be very impressed... you know... because it was so hard to get one. :-)
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  196. What the nurse didn't tell you is that there has been peer-reviewed research that showed no relevant clinical advantage of aspiration.
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  197. You could do it the way my antivaxxer relatives are coping with it... they have been ill for the second time in a year and a half. Regular organic refreshers of COVID-19 infections provide natural immunity for a good year to a year and a half. That's about as good as the flu without flu shots. What can go wrong, right?
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  198. Why are you worried about cost? Keeping somebody on the ventilator for two weeks pays for a thousand tests, easily.
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  199. Two of my relatives had sinovac twice. They also had COVID-19 three times. :-)
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  200. There is no such protection. Eight of my relatives had COVID-19 twice now and another two had it three times already. This small counterexample rules out long term natural immunity completely. But then, we never had natural immunity to the flu and the common cold, either, so it's really obvious that natural immunity to COVID-19 is just magical thinking.
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  201.  @cattivello  Well, the hypothesis that there is long term protection against COVID-19 from infection is trivially ruled out by the example of my own eight relatives. That is how scientific hypotheses work... a single counterexample is enough to take them off the table. ;-)
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  202.  @cattivello  Yes, you are an example that there is no long term protection. Each time you became a vector who infected other people, some of whom may have gotten very sick or even may have died. That is a lot to be proud of.
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  203. That's funny. :-)
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  204. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice and two who hard it three times. Previous infection does not give immunity. Period.
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  205.  @spacemanonearth  You never got any immunity from infection with flu and the common cold, either. People are just too dumb to remember. Cheers. :-)
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  206. I know somebody who has it for a year and a half now. He went from a dude who could ride his bike for 100km to somebody who can get barely up in the morning. Fun stuff!
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  207. Sounds good, except that the antivaxxer branch of my family has proven just the opposite. They were sick for weeks for the second time, while the vaccinated family members didn't even have it once. :-)
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  208. Shielding your fellow citizens from COVID-19 was your responsibility, kid. You failed.
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  209. And in the natural process one in 200 people are dying. Could be more.
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  210. I wonder when Dr. Campbell has given his last injection with an active drug. Just saying... there is some serious armchair coaching going on here. :-)
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  211. Do you need attention?
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  212. OMG, you had rights taken away from you that you never had! Go complain to the world! :-)
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  213. TLDR. :-)
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  214.  @lindathompson4770  No, I could tell after the first sentence that what would follow would be a waste of my time. ;-)
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  215.  @lindathompson4770  Yes, there are, but you are not one of those. :-)
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  216.  @lindathompson4770  I can tell an attention starved kid when I see one. ;-)
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  217. But it's all organic. There is a very large crowd today who prefer an organic death to a chemical life. ;-)
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  218. Are we giving steroids during acute COVID-19 treatment? Yes. At that point we are not fighting the virus any longer. We are stopping the immune system from causing additional harm to the patient.
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  219.  @monanemani742  That's in patients with severe COVID-19 infections. That viral infections can cause long term damage and trigger cancer and immune system diseases is well known. It's not particularly specific to COVID-19. We may see significantly lowered life expectancy for a generation. That's a bridge we will have to cross in 20 or 30 years.
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  220.  @monanemani742  Do you have a citation? I would really love to see that. If it turns out that there are severe long term health consequences in a large number of people who only had mild infections, then our long term healthcare costs are going to exploded even further. Damn! I hope not but what does hope have to do with anything, right?
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  221.  @monanemani742  If you don't have it at hand, don't worry. I'll try to find it myself.
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  222. Dude, you need to chill and talk to someone about these strange phantasies of yours that people in dark rooms are trying to hurt you all the time.
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  223. Natural immunity works really well. Eight of my antivaxxer relatives have acquired it twice, already. ;-)
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  224. It's a disease of the unvaccinated. We want nature to take its course. Maybe it will increase the average intelligence of the population, after all, even if we have to wait a bit for it. ;-)
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  225. So what you are basically saying is that you are an irresponsible fella who should not be allowed anywhere near patients. OK. So what? So absolutely nothing.
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  226.  @emilw82  You don't give a frell about suppressing the disease in the general population. You are just the average internet troll who feels sorry for himself. End of story. :-)
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  227.  @emilw82  Well, you are getting my attention, aren't you? :-)
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  228.  @emilw82  But you do. No emotionally mature adult will knowingly expose other people to a potentially deadly diseases. That's something only very childish personalities do. The antivaxxers in my family, for instance, are all from the high drama branch of the family. Lots of divorce and poor decision making in general. None of the educated, socially successful family members had COVID even once. They had it twice, already. You are just like those folks. In any case, enjoy my attention. ;-)
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  229.  @emilw82  Yes, and I have eight antivaxxer relatives who had COVID-19 twice now. I win. ;-)
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  230. In what universe did that happen? Certainly not in this one. :-)
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  231. Hello lonely kid, let me give you some attention. :-)
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  232. You should talk to the relatives of the millions of people who died from COVID-19. I am sure they would find your words very uplifting. Just be prepared to run fast in case some do not.
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  233.  @epicchannel4724  Wow, that was a big pile of bullshit, kid. You don't even know what the words mean. :-)
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  234. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  235. I heard the "end stage" speak half a dozen times now. That's just wishful thinking, folks. This thing is going to come back as long as there are unvaccinated people left.
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  236.  @nzer57  Dude, none of these countries are fully vaccinated. Where do you get your bullshit from? Your own rear or are you using somebody else's as a supply? :-)
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  237. Yes, and the longer you go on, the more you will sound like a crazy person. ;-)
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  238. And there is the foolish person on the internet who threatens everybody with his invisible friend.
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  239.  @xceptamanbbornagainnokingd5836  I am saying it is foolish to threaten everybody with an invisible friend. You are nothing special in that regard. A million misguided religionists are doing it daily on the internet. Get in line.
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  240.  @ThekiBoran  And now you are creating a godlet from scientific illiteracy. :-)
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  241. ​ @ThekiBoran ​Hey, kid, you already got my attention. What else do you need? A back rub? :-)
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  242. Good for you. Now all you have to do is to wait for the cardiovascular symptoms ten years from now. ;-)
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  243.  @GravemindHD  There have been plenty of reports that people who had COVID-19 are showing greater likelihood of cardiovascular disease. You are welcome to research this yourself. Or you can believe that COVID-19 makes you healthier than before. It's a free country. All religion goes. ;-)
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  244.  @GravemindHD  Will I? I am fully vaccinated and boosted, I am wearing high quality masks and I don't go close to people. You don't get diseases just from looking at people across the room, you know. The disease relies on you to do shit. And you did. It only takes one time. :-) And did you notice how the Chinese eradicated it in twelve weeks by locking people in? Social distancing works... (collective) you are just not intelligent enough to use it right. :-)
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  245. That's exactly what my antivaxxer relatives said after they caught heard immunity for the second time. Now they are waiting to catch it for the third time. ;-)
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  246. That a lot of things can be made to happen in test tubes. :-)
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  247.  @nancyo6342  Did you know that we can cure cancer in test tubes? It's very easy. You just pour bleach in. :-)
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  248. That's cool, kid, but dirty dishes are not the source of COVID-19 infections. People are. :-) My antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 for the first time around mid-2019 and they had it again a couple of months ago. This shows you that "natural immunity" may last 18 months or so, so if you aren't vaccinated and boosted, your chances of getting it again are growing exponentially, right now. Just give it time.
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  249. Respirators are a good alternative, but only 10% effective. 90% of people on a respirator die. :-)
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  250. Or you just don't understand that people are dying weeks, sometimes months after the infection. Happens to a lot of people who don't know how to use their minds for thinking. ;-)
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  251.  @simonpedge  What's obvious about that? Over the past two years we have learned to keep people alive for longer. Would you have it any other way? Would instant death be more convenient for you? :-)
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  252. Of course it did, kid. Your real problem, however, is that you didn't get enough attention from your Mom. :-)
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  253. But an internet troll have value? ;-)
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  254. It doesn't infect me because I am not mingling with people. The only way to get infected is by meeting infected people.
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  255.  @heartslessons6243  What about "I am not mingling with other people" did you not understand just now? Or do you believe that viruses are being miraculously transmitted over wireless networks? :-)
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  256. Religion? Yes, it is. And still running strong. :-)
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  257.  @fuzzy1237  You are talking about the biggest scam in history. That is religion, kid. Always will be. :-)
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  258. Like: Why do we not vaccinate absolutely everyone? Jab or jail?
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  259.  @scottallen5269  That's even worse.
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  260.  @scottallen5269  Undecided? I am always deciding to follow the facts. It's the winning strategy. ;-)
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  261.  @scottallen5269  Eight of my relatives had natural immunity twice now and one couple had it three times. The more often you get it, the better. ;-)
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  262.  @scottallen5269  Nah, just go and get the Rona. The more often the better. Some people can't learn any other way than by experience. Maybe a week on the ventilator will teach a lesson. ;-)
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  263. Hmmm, crunchy, somebody has death threat fantasies. ;-)
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  264. Ten of my relatives had very good immunity, right until they caught it a second and a third time.
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  265. Yes, that was a lot of bullshit. :-)
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  266. There is fake news guy. ;-)
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  267. Why did you break your keyboard?
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  268. We had tests for these things for years, but they have almost zero medical value and that's why they are not being used much.
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  269. Sorry to inform you, but paranoia is not normal. You may be a nice person, but your trust issues put you far outside of the well functioning part of the population.
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  270. So how comes eight relatives of mine had COVID-19 for the second time. Another two had it for the third time now. Shouldn't they all have been immune? :-)
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  271.  @eliashood9468  The eight who had it twice are anti-vaxxers. They acquired perfect natural immunity in mid-2020, before vaccines even became available... and then it turned out that there is no such thing as natural immunity. The other two were vaccinated with sinovac, which is a nearly useless vaccine. :-)
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  272.  @Anestary  Well, a million people dying in the US alone is dramatic, isn't it? It was also completely unnecessary, if not for fools who can't deal with reality. ;-)
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  273.  @Anestary  Well, reality went right over yours. :-)
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  274.  @Anestary  I will. 1000 less fortunate people, on the other hand, will be dying today from COVID-19 in the US alone.
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  275. Evolution, baby. It's a wonderful thing. It tries to kill you, but that's how it makes your kind stronger. Too bad that you might not be around to see it. ;-)
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  276. What's the agenda? :-)
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  277.  @robertkeime4907  Not really. They have all of that without these complications.
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  278. Why does it matter? Are you going to change how people behave if it were either?
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  279. That's OK because nobody cares what you trust. ;-)
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  280. In the US not really. We have plenty of hospitals at full capacity.
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  281. Countries, regions, counties... it's all the same: higher vaccination rates have far better health outcomes.
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  282.  @oldlee2706  African countries have 95% vaccination rates? Where?
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  283.  @oldlee2706  Yes, Africa is woefully under-vaccinated. So what?
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  284.  @oldlee2706  Tunisia had 2,318 deaths per million population. How are they doing "well"? South Africa is in the 1600 per million? That's not doing well, kid.
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  285.  @oldlee2706  I did. You lost. :-)
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  286.  @oldlee2706  Yes and you lost. :-)
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  287.  @oldlee2706  Yes, and you will lose, again. :-)
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  288.  @oldlee2706  Hey, kid, don't go away! I am showering you with all the attention that you never got from your Mom! Doesn't it feel great? :-)
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  289. What for? Vitamin D makes no difference.
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  290. You can vaccinate with a syringe or by inhaling deeply. It's both good. Just don't complain about going on the ventilator later if you have decided to use the inhaling method. :-)
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  291. You are already alien to me. I do not detect a shred of humanity.
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  292. Ma! There is another kid who thinks that the virus watches mainstream media. ;-)
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  293.  @jamierenaut  If you don't want to be treated like a kid, don't make childish comments. The virus does exactly one thing: it repurposes you as its reproductive organ. That's it. What you think about politics or on the question what New York Cheese Cake should taste like doesn't matter. :-)
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  294. You should talk to my eight antivaxxer relatives who all had COVID-19 twice now. I, on the other hand, am vaccinated and boosted and didn't even have it once. A lot of what you are reading on the internet is total bullshit. :-)
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  295. I just ordered 9 test kits online. Fake news. :-)
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  296. You are very good at crappy guessing. :-)
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  297. If you are treating COVID-19 as if you are immune, then I can guarantee that COVID-19 will treat you as if you are not. :-)
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  298. With us? Nothing. Transmitting a deadly disease to others, OTOH, is the height of irresponsible behavior.
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  299.  @jacquelinemonaghan5263  Look, something went clearly wrong in your upbringing because what you are proposing there is clearly a sociopathic tendency. Normal people care about the safety of others. You don't. That's not normal. It's actually pathological. Take care.
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  300. You can always vote for Trump, kid. ;-)
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  301. You can catch any other variant and there will always be new ones. There is no universal natural immunity. There is no natural immunity, at all.
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  302. Well, almost half the adult population voted for Trump. That tells you just how stupid almost half the population really is. ;-)
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  303. Natural immunity worked really well for my antivaxxer relatives. They only had COVID twice, so far. ;-)
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  304. So you got lucky. You know what they say about luck? It always runs out.
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  305.  @peterichard3925  I am buying ten thousand gallons, right now. :-)
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  306. The trolls do. ;-)
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  307. Ah, fake news guy is finally here. ;-)
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  308. The only evidence for the non-existence of natural immunity that I will ever need is that all eight anti-vaxxers in my family had COVID-19 twice now and not a single person who had the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine and a booster was sick even once. QED.
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  309. No antibodies, no effective immunity. It doesn't matter that your body remembers how to make antibodies. By the time it has made them, the virus is already done with its part and you have become a vector.
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  310. You may want to check the covid mortality in Hungary, Tim. It calls you a liar. ;-)
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  311. And there is the kid with attention deficit. ;-)
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  312. You are right. My antivaxxer relatives have had excellent experience with natural immunity. So far they only had it twice and they don't expect to get it more than once more in 2022. :-)
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  313. Testing doesn't buy us much unless it is systematic and there are enforced quarantine rules for those who test positive. By the time people test positive because they had symptoms they have usually been vectors for up to several days, already. This was clear since the beginning of the pandemic in 2020, but the lack of other measures kept the public too focused on testing. ICU admissions down are great, but ICU services are a tiny percentage of all healthcare services. As long as hospitals are stressed they can't perform timely elective procedures and that is very bad for public health.
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  314. Ah, so you are waiting for your second COVID-19 natural vaccine and then the natural booster shot. Don't worry. It will come to you. ;-)
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  315. So you are saying that vaccines work, after all. Interesting. :-)
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  316.  @kevinbyrne4538 "Omicron can infect people who are largely resistant." ??? OK, maybe English is not your first language. :-)
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  317.  @kevinbyrne4538  Dude, resistance means that you can't become a vector, so if omicron can effectively infect you, then you are not resistant by definition of the word. Seriously. Let's get at least the language right. 🙂 In any case, we have omicron infection statistics. Unvaccinated adults were five times more likely to become vectors than vaccinated and boosted adults. The discrepancies for hospitalization and deaths were even larger. COVID-19 has now become a disease of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are filthy and stupid people, indeed. :-)
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  318. Hope springs eternal, but within two years almost the entire world will have universal vaccine mandates. :-)
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  319. Why would it? It simply didn't convey resistance to the virus in people who don't have a suitable immune repertoire. Of course, neither did the virus. Did they teach you any logic in school? :-)
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  320. We need a measles vaccine against COVID because we don't have COVID vaccines? What? :-)
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  321.  @mikegipson1224  Yes, the measles vaccines really worked. That's why everybody who had them still got COVID. ;-)
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  322. And there is the kid who can't believe anything since he got poor grades in school all the time and couldn't believe that it was his own fault. ;-)
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  323.  @bruins4rent213  I don't believe anything, kid, including any of your bullshit. I go with the facts and you are a fact free zone. :-)
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  324. He brought you the data that you wanted to hear. Meanwhile... eight of my relatives had COVID-19 the second time and two had it three times. It's pretty obvious that COVID-19 infection is no more immunizing than flu infection prevents the flu in the future.
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  325. You were probably also very optimistic about not studying before your tests in high school. ;-)
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  326. Somebody beat you with clubs? That explains a few things.
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  327. So you are one of those filthy vectors who are making everybody else sick. OK. Whatever. ;-)
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  328. Yes, we did explain to all of you in middle school how vaccines work. In hindsight it's obvious that it didn't sink in.
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  329. What idiot takes advice about immunology from a heart surgeon? That's like asking your plumber how to fix your roof. :-)
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  330.  @leonscholtz1010  Please do not threaten me with your invisible friend. Thank you.
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  331.  @leonscholtz1010  You are still threatening me with your invisible friend, kid. I would be more afraid if you actually had a big brother. :-)
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  332.  @leonscholtz1010  What do I miss? Making a fool of myself? ;-)
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  333.  @leonscholtz1010  Yes, you made a fool of yourself on the internet plenty. ;-)
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  334. Yes, the quality of the study is entirely consistent with your bullshit. That much is true. ;-)
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  335.  @rememberallah5201  Half my family had it more than twice, already. The other half is fully vaccinated and boosted (with Moderna and or Pfizer) and didn't have it even once. Or, if we did, then none of us noticed. To answer your question... if you are worried about your health, annual vaccination might be your best option. Just like with the flu vaccines it may not be 100% effective for everybody, but they should keep you significantly safer than raw exposure.
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  336.  @rememberallah5201  It doesn't look like the antibody counts lie. After infection and vaccination the body produces the most antibodies and they decline slowly over the following months. Antibodies are our first and fastest defense. They neutralize the spike protein that the virus needs and they cause the initial immune reaction. The T-cell responses are much slower in comparison and they are not as effective in preventing the virus from multiplying quickly. People with multiple infections and people who had VOCID after vaccination are living proof that there is no case to be made for lasting immunity. It is unfortunately also true that not everybody has the same immune repertoire and we don't all make the same antibodies and equal numbers of them. There is a wide range of immune responses and that is one of the reasons why some people get more sick than others. Since the virus mutates even those who didn't get (very) sick the first time don't have automatic protection for the future. This is, whether we like it or not, a biological roulette. Some win, some lose, and nature doesn't care because evolution only works if there is a stochastic component. So, yeah, this makes life risky and the best you can do is to minimize your risk. It will, unfortunately, never be zero.
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  337.  @rememberallah5201  You will be fine three of four months from now. You won't be fine six to twelve months from now. At that point it's not even a roulette. It just becomes a waiting game. :-)
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  338.  @rememberallah5201  I don't remember anybody telling you to take a vaccine every 3-4 months. We told you to take two shots a month apart and one shot with a lower concentration of the vaccines at least six months later. I don't even know how I could get another shot even if I wanted one. My doctor would certainly not give me one and neither would my pharmacy. So what, exactly, are you talking about? I am not aware of a firm date for the availability of the next vaccines, but I would not expect them before Q3, which means it would take at least until Q1 2023 for widespread uptake. That's closer to a year and a half since the last booster. So where does your 3-4 month bullshit come from, exactly? I had at least 50 vaccines in my life, probably more. My immune system is fine. I had flu shots every year for the past 15 years and those were the only years of my life that I didn't catch the flu. Look, your fears may be real, but they are not rational.
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  339. "Lucky" is not the word I would use. "foolish" and "irresponsible" are much more fitting attributes.
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  340. Look, Ma! Somebody on the internet wants attention! Let's give it to them. ;-)
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  341. Clearly over 900,000 people in the US didn't eat healthy, didn't exercise and forgot to drink enough water. ;-)
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  342. The new vaccines are coming out soon. You'll be in line. ;-)
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  343.  @Backwoodscountryman  Ah, so you are like my eight antivaxxer relatives who have become the reproductive organs for the virus twice now. :-)
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  344.  @Backwoodscountryman  Awwhhh, how cute! You are feeling sorry for yourself, already. That didn't take much to blow you over. ;-)
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  345.  @Backwoodscountryman  Boy, you are hurting so bad. :-)
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  346. The same as before. You can be a smart kid and not get COVID-19 or you can be a stupid kid and then you will get it again and again and again. Absolutely nothing has changed.
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  347. You are a threat to humanity every day because you are simply not intelligent enough to understand how diseases work. The alternative to that statement would be that you do understand, but of course then you are deeply dishonest and you are out to willingly endanger other people's lives. Either way a rational society would lock you up. We are, unfortunately, not a rational society.
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  348. Why is this strange? You are a filthy vector and you know a lot of other filthy vectors. Now the wave is over and all of you are simply waiting for the next wave to be filthy vectors, again. :-)
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  349.  @TIMMEH19991  Yes, wanting to become the reproductive organs of a virus is a rather strange kink, indeed. ;-)
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  350. Where did he do that?
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  351. You don't need NZ for that. China beat covid in 12 weeks with nothing but lockdowns and tracing.
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  352. Yes, you can acquire natural immunity because a guy on the internet says so. How old are you? ;-)
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  353. Yes, being a filthy vector who infects other people with COVID is entirely amoral. I agree. ;-)
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  354. Fake news. :-)
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  355.  @bettyboop2471  Fake news. :-)
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  356. If your doctor tells you not to get vaccinated (except in extreme medical situations), then it's time to look for a new doctor. Or you can let it ride and you may or may not win the Darwin Award lottery. That's always a choice. Maybe not the best one an adult can make, but then... not all adults are making good choices all the time. ;-)
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  357. The experts have been telling the same story since January 2020... it's not their fault that nobody is listening.
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  358. Neither do viruses. If natural immunity was a thing, viruses couldn't even exist. They would die out after having infected the entire population for the first time.
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  359. Yes, that is how the human immune system works. We all have a different immune repertoire. If it's not a good fit to a particular virus, then the body simply can't develop sufficient immunity, neither after vaccination nor infection. Nature doesn't care about the survival of the individual, it only cares about the survival of the species.
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  360. You certainly have a broken keyboard, but you don't have natural immunity, Love.
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  361.  @HeavenlyLights  Your keyboard is still broken. Why don't you fix that first. ;-)
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  362.  @HeavenlyLights  Did you replace your keyboard, yet? ;-)
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  363. These people have paranoia independently of what information they are getting. If you tell them that their shoes have shoelaces they will immediately suspect a government conspiracy that is trying to make them stumble. ;-)
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  364. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  365. It's not really an important metric. Testing really only matters in places where it is done systematically and which have strong tracing and quarantine capabilities and rules. Everywhere else it satisfies people's curiosity (or not) but it does little else.
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  366. That's what your first grade teacher said about you, already. ;-)
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  367.  @AncientYouth64  That's the nicest compliment I got all day!
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  368. Why are you proving that you can't do math? What's that going to do for you? :-)
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  369.  @jen4um  And so now you are telling me that unless one in hundred people dies it's not serious? Why don't you make it one in ten, just to impress me some more with how cool a cucumber you are, kid? :-)
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  370. And there is the lonely kid, again. ;-)
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  371. Not really. We didn't have immunity to the flu or the common cold or other covid viruses before. To think that this one is different amounts to magical thinking and it is not borne out by the facts. Certainly half my family already had it for the second and the third time now.
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  372.  @freedombug11  Yes, I did. If you don't know what the difference is between my folks getting it twice in 18 months (rapidly declining antibody count and viral evolution) and three times (the same plus the fact the she works with pre-school children, i.e. without any effective social distancing), then any data is lost on you. Of course infection is great for the initial two months for the same virus. The problem is that a year from now your antibody count will be low and the virus will have mutated... which is exactly the reason why you were always getting the flu and the common cold again and again and again. Please, folks, you need to think about these things.
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  373.  @louie1  The other half of my family never had COVID. They were socially distancing and got the vaccines and are still socially distancing. COVID is now basically a disease of the stupid and filthy.
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  374.  @freedombug11  I am commenting about ten cases that I know personally that show that there is no such thing as long lasting natural immunity. When was there ever long lasting immunity against the flu or the common cold???? People are buying into religious interpretations of very fresh data here. Yes, my relatives didn't get re-infected after two months, either. There were up to eighteen months, or so, between the first and the last infections. So do you have great immunity for two months? Absolutely. After a year? Not so much. Not with the vaccines and not with a primary infection by the virus. And THAT is the problem.
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  375.  @freedombug11  Dude, not to take a vaccine that offers excellent protection is plain stupid. There is no other way to say this, OK? Why did I say filthy? Because you don't get a disease by looking at an infected person on the internet. You have to be close and that is a choice. Social distancing works. The Chinese have proven that one can eradicate the disease with social distancing in twelve weeks. I bet it can be done in four to six, as long as everybody is willing to stay 20 feet away from everybody else. Yes, it is that simple. Would you like an STD with that? Can you guess how that works? Not by looking, kid. :-)
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  376.  @freedombug11  My relatives wouldn't know anything about that "better immunity" thing, my friend. They were sick two and three times now. So maybe all of this is true in your universe, it's certainly not true in theirs and mine. I am vaccinated and boosted and I didn't get sick even once. Neither did any of the other people I know who did the same, less one. Guess what he is? A medical doctor. He got it at work from a patient. Yes, I am pejorative because the problem here are NOT the people who are vaccinated and who socially distance. It's the people who are doing nether. Dumb and filthy is a pejorative way of saying just that. It's by design because that is how I think about people who can't learn, nay, who do not want to learn. As an educated person who has gone out of his way to protect myself and others I had it with the dumb and filthy. Excuse my language.
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  377. The essential difference between "natural immunity" (which doesn't exist) and the vaccinated is that the vaccinated don't become vectors quite as often. I think we made a huge PR mistake by not educating the public that vaccinations' main purpose is to disrupt the spread of the disease. It's not just about keeping infected individuals out of the ICU. As a consequence we did not effectively disrupt COVID-19.
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  378. So that's absolutely everybody. Glad we agree.
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  379. You are correct. They are at such a low risk that my relatives infected a less than one year old with it. That's what loving parents do, these days. They make their own children sick. ;-)
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  380. It works well for everybody in my family who had Moderna and Pfizer. None of us have gotten COVID-19 even once. The eight antivaxxers, of course, had it twice, already. So much for "natural immunity". :-)
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  381.  @crlwsmn  The antivaxxers? They have never done well in life. Lots of divorce and other drama. Also always teetering on the economic edge. Why would you expect people who are making poor decisions in one area of life to make better decisions in others? :-)
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  382.  @marklangager8817  Oh, boy, now the crazy is coming out. :-)
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  383.  @marklangager8817  Nah, it's already here on YouTube. :-)
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  384. You sound damaged.
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  385. My eight antivaxxer relatives had full blown COVID-19 symptoms for two weeks twice now. This idea that it's getting milder is not backed up by any experience. People simply wish for it to be milder. That doesn't mean it is.
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  386. If you were invented in Pfizer, kid, then you missed the really great opportunities in the stock market. Why are you telling us that you are a poor investor? :-)
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  387. Getting vaccinated before you get covid is the best you can do.
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  388. Nobody forces you to die on a hospital ventilator. You are welcome to die at home in the US. It's a free country. :-)
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  389. Truth to be told, folks, many of you have become the drowning man in the joke of the same name. The Chinese give you proof that one can eradicate the disease with social distancing alone. You ignore it. The pharmaceutical industry makes vaccines for you that work. You shun them. School boards are trying to implement common sense measures to protect your children in school. You sue them. And then you come here and you are hoping for a miracle of nature. What does that make you, folks? Do I really have to say it?
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  390. You do realize that the virus doesn't care about your delusions and political ideas, right? All it ever does is to make you its reproductive organ. ;-)
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  391. No different from the flu shot. What is the problem with that? I have been getting flu shots for fifteen years now and I didn't have the flu even once. If it works the same way for COVID-19, I will be a happy camper. ;-)
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  392. And there is the kid who failed in high school and didn't get enough attention from his mother. ;-)
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  393. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 for a second time recently. We know who got it first and in what order they infected each other. You need to stop the magical thinking. It doesn't work.
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  394. The unvaccinated still have a much higher death rate than the vaccinated. Nothing has changed. That, by the way, was also true in the past for diseases like the flu, so why would this have changed?
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  395. Now that the entire world seems to be relaxing the mask mandates etc. we will be testing the natural immunity thing for good. My money is on the virus. :-)
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  396. My antivaxxer relatives have been doing field tests on themselves for two years now and they had COVID for the second time a couple months ago. Natural immunity seems to last about a year, maybe a year and a half. Just like with the flu and the common cold, it really works. ;-)
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  397.  @stickman-1  See, now you are catching on to why "natural immunity" does not work for any of these diseases and why we need vaccines that track their evolution. Congrats... every middle school student knows this already after one 45 minute science lesson about how vaccines work. :-)
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  398. You already are, for all I can tell. :-)
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  399. Who are you and why should I care? :-)
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  400. Tell that to the dead, kid. I will give you attention anyway.
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  401. There is no fundamental right to a nursing job.
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  402.  @barrywalton7553  We only have 27 amendments in the US. ;-)
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  403. What is so important about you that you should be allowed to willfully infect other people with a deadly disease?
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  404.  @everythingmelanin7728  I am fully vaccinated and so is the intelligent half of my family. Not one of us ever got sick. We were not spreading anything. COVID-19 is a disease of the dumb and filthy. :-)
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  405. She was fine three minutes later. :-)
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  406.  @NextScamdemic  I haven't heard from seven billion other people, either. ;-)
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  407.  @NextScamdemic  Why would I waste my time in bullshit, kid? I am much more inclined to give attention to you, instead. ;-)
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  408. Let me give you some attention, kid. You need it really badly. ;-)
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  409. I don't know of any vaccines available to the public that have not passed testing and approval. Neither do you. :-)
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  410. Yes, his citizens are dying like flies, too. But now he is forcing much bigger guns on an innocent people. He is still your hero, isn't he? ;-)
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  411. Eight of my antivaxxer family members caught it for the second time now. They seem to have had approx. 18 months of immunity, maybe a bit less. Two other people in my family got it for the third time. She works with pre-school children and can't distance socially, that's where she keeps picking it up, presumably. He has long COVID to boot. "Natural immunity" seems to work about as well as in case of the flu or the common cold, i.e. not at all.
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  412. The main side effect of the vaccination is that you are far less likely to be hospitalized with or even to die from COVID-19. :-)
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  413. So even FB knows that you are 50 kopeks army, huh? :-)
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  414.  @mariaquaresima4651  ! :-)
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  415. It's kind of hard to recover from death. Even for the healthiest and fittest. ;-)
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  416. Nah, I think you should go with it. My antivaxxer relatives had perfect COVID-19 immunity until a couple of months ago when they got it the second time. Now one couple had it for the third time in 18 months. Natural immunity really works. ;-)
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  417.  @airstrip1836  You are right, eight people had COVID symptoms for two weeks and tested positive multiple times and it was just a mirage. How can it be any other way? ;-)
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  418. Yes, you just failed math. :-)
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  419. Because it never spread beyond countries with effective tracing. We got lucky the first time. The second time we had Trump. ;-)
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  420. How do you define exposed? Having been in the same room with a COVID-19 vector? That's not sufficient to get infected.
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  421. That's cool. The US is still losing over 2000 people per day. We had, on average, over 1300 deaths per day since the beginning of the pandemic over here in March 2020. I don't expect that to go much lower than 1000 on average this year, either. The next wave will come and then the death toll will go up, again.
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  422. Well, I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice now and two who had it three times. Can you tell me a good reason why I should call you a genius? ;-)
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  423. The science says that the vaccinated are ten times less likely to be hospitalized and far less likely to die of covid. :-)
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  424. I am ready! Jesus is coming back every year like three times, but he always cancels in the last second. ;-)
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  425. Yes, and it hasn't been. :-)
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  426. Why are you telling everybody that you are an irresponsibly acting person who doesn't give a shit about others, kid?
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  427. Well, I can tell you that eight antivaxxer family members of mine had COVID-19 twice now. Everybody who had either Moderna or Pfizer and a booster didn't even have it once. That's more than enough data for me. :-)
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  428. No. :-)
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  429. Pneumonia is not one disease. It can be cause by a number of different species and antibiotics do not work on either viral or fungal pneumonia. You need to stop the magical thinking.
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  430. Sounds like the Danish government is trying to hide its failure to keep its population safe. :-)
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  431.  @30yearstockcycle  True, it's just amazing how the number of people choking to death on fish bones has gone up so much. They need to make the teaching of the Heimlich maneuver mandatory. ;-)
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  432.  @30yearstockcycle  I don't know what that is supposed to mean. What I do know is that dead is dead.
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  433. Works for me and everybody else I know who was vaccinated. :-)
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  434. You are a medical genius. If all nurses were like you, there would be no disease in the world. This may have been an example of sarcasm.
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  435. Common sense research suggests that vaccines work much better than infection. My family certainly proves it. All eight anti-vaxxers were sick for a second time a couple months ago but the vaccinated folks didn't have it even once, with exception of one couple (she works with pre-school children and brings it home to him, and he is already suffering from long COVID-19 symptoms, which indicates that he probably has a very poor immune response, to begin with).
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  436. You are correct. We all had natural immunity against the flu and the common cold. Oh... wait... ;-)
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  437. If you have money problems, then the solution is always on the income side. You need to earn more.
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  438. What you are really saying is that you are not smart enough to understand the deep flaws in his presentation.
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  439. In other words... you have had trust issues all of your life. Does the virus care about those? No, of course not.
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  440.  @Lily-vi5cy  Yeah, these things don't develop overnight. They are usually already latently present in the young person, they just don't become obvious. Anyway, please ask somebody for help.
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  441. Just imagine how bummed you would be after three weeks on IV and ventilator. ;-)
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  442. In a democracy voters get the politicians that they elect. In a pandemic the virus infects the people that it elects. It's almost poetic, isn't it? ;-)
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  443.  @epicchannel4724  I have seen your kind many times, kid. You have an insatiable need to be recognized and you will post any bullshit to achieve that. :-)
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  444. Putin called and wants his 50 cents back. ;-)
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  445. So you haven't learned much. That's true for most folks, though. You are nothing special that way.
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  446. There is the religious troll. Always present on the internet.
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  447. You don't say? :-)
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  448. I don't see the great news from Africa. South Africa seems to be converging on a very high level of constant reinfection. There seems to be no sign of natural immunity against the last strain there.
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  449. Pretty OK compared to the rest of the world, but lousy compared to China and New Zealand.
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  450. No. :-)
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  451. So, kid, what's wrong with you? Why are so desperate for attention? :-)
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  452. Yes, the side effect is that you will get COVID-19 and you will give it to other people. Just saying.
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  453.  @daisyhobbs7500  OK, Boomer. :-)
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  454. Yes, it's the food. It was always the food. At least in the mind of the food-crazies it is. ;-)
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  455. I have two relatives who had COVID-19 three times now. Once a pre-alpha, once a delta and now an omicron infection. All this talk about natural immunity is complete bullshit.
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  456. Of the flu? What did you think happened in 1918, exactly? An outbreak of lemonade stands? :-)
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  457.  @Alpha_7227  Always happy to entertain.
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  458. Mark Twain was also vaccinated against smallpox. ;-)
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  459. Yes, you polished it well.
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  460. Down the drain.
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  461.  @vestland3877  But they didn't stop dying. Denmark, for sure, greatly accelerated it.
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  462.  @amandathurston2720  Three days ago they had 44 deaths in Denmark. Are you talking about Norway????
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  463. Unless they are all vaccinated, they are antivaxxers. Are they all vaccinated? :-)
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  464. Can you tell me where I can get on? I am boosted and there is no new vaccine approved as a fourth shot. I couldn't get one, even if I wanted to. :-)
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  465. The trolls are having a love fest today. :-)
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  466. Dude(ess), I have a relative with long COVID-19. Just weeks before he got sick for the first time he participated in (and finished) a 100km cycling event and was a very happy guy. Since he got sick he is complaining about constant fatigue and pain. That's not stress, kid. Those are serious symptoms of long term changes in his body, be that vascularization and/or autoimmune problems.
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  467.  @marilililafor8131  OK, goddess, that was a lot of bullshit. :-)
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  468. Fake news.
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  469. It ain't a religion, kid. There is no messiah here.
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  470. I often get a metallic taste in my mouth. My dentist tells me it's just my gums bleeding and I should floss more often. ;-)
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  471. Natural immunity totally didn't work for my eight antivaxxer relatives. They got infected for a second time a couple of month's ago. If we take the time since the first infection in mid 2020, then they had, at most, immunity for 18 months, probably less than that. Severity of their symptoms and length of the disease don't seem to have been significantly better, either. In essence... they are suffering for naught and they have been infecting innocent people, too. One of them is a less than one year old baby. What in the world is that good for? Are you trying to kill your own children?
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  472.  @annecy9280  But then you can't. These eight people are known to me personally, I know where they got it and how it spread across the entire group and how easy it would have been for all of them to stay healthy. All you have is some general handwaving. I win. :-)
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  473.  @annecy9280  No, kid, you can't. Your story to me is just a story, no different from the resurrection of Christ, but I have known my relatives for over 50 years. They were always full of shit and still are. No different from you. :-)
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  474.  @annecy9280  Unlike you I know where sin is defined in the bible, kid. Catholics know these things. ;-)
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  475.  @annecy9280  No, you don't. :-)
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  476. I am being told by antivaxxers that there have been a lot of choking incidents involving arctic char. Also... shark attacks have increased 375%. ;-)
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  477. 50 cents? :-)
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  478.  @drjohnny8237  Yeah, that's just the crazy person talking now, kid. ;-)
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  479. The calculation is nonsensical to begin with because protection wanes over time due to decreasing antibody titer and the appearance of new variants. A serious epidemiological model would have to take those factors into account and will easily reproduce the actual annual reappearance of respiratory diseases like the flu and the varieties of the common cold. There simply is no natural immunity against these diseases. Unless we are willing to vaccinate entire populations for multiple years in addition to continued social distancing, this disease will stay with us and there is no guarantee that it will soften its impact on mortality and hospital utilization.
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  480.  @pege63  Ah, so you simply don't know the history of smallpox and polio. OK, whatever. There are plenty of people on the internet who are absolutely clueless about pretty much everything. One more doesn't matter. Take care.
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  481.  @pege63  And now you are merely feeling sorry for yourself. Have a nice day.
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  482.  @pege63  You couldn't fool me even for a second, kid. :-)
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  483. And there is the kid who is desperate for attention. ;-)
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  484. Did anybody ever tell you that what you believe is irrelevant to reality? If not... well, here it is. ;-)
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  485.  @elektron2kim666  The only thing you seem to have ever touched is the magical thinking level. ;-)
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  486.  @elektron2kim666  Ideally I would like to find one intelligent, responsibly acting person besides myself, but that seems to be as elusive as pink unicorns. It's almost universally trolls around here. ;-)
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  487.  @elektron2kim666  I never lie to myself. I don't lie to the kids with attention deficit who I am supporting, either, kid. ;-)
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  488. Ma! Somebody just posted a big pile of bullshit on the internet! :-)
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  489. And there is the kid who needs attention. Let me help you with that "Jenny". ;-)
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  490. So you threw away your crutches and yelled out "Thank you Jesus! I can see again!". ;-)
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  491. Depends entirely on you. You can get the immunity the natural way or you can take your shot with the shot. Either way your immune system will take a hit. Good luck and let's hope that you wont need the ventilator!
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  492. And there is the anorexic kid who didn't get enough attention from his mother. :-)
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  493. Your PC knows that you will get COVID again. Eight antivaxxers in my family already had a second serving. They are waiting for their third. ;-)
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  494. You do understand that feeling clever is not the same as being intelligent, right? ;-)
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  495. OMG, you are being tyrantized. Get a grip, kid. ;-)
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  496. So why did I get the flu every year until I started getting flu shots? :-)
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  497. Were you boosted? Kids in school is, of course, a really bad idea. That's why everybody is doing it... it's a smorgasbord of bad ideas these days. Hope you can fully recover.
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  498.  @vaskylark  Good for you. Without the vaccines and the booster you might have been hospitalized of worse. Vaccines work.
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  499.  @vaskylark  I am older, so the risk of getting covid is significant. Life without the vaccines would be a lot more stressful.
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  500. No. :-)
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  501. How bad is your fear of things you don't want to understand? Obviously pretty bad. You could undo that fear by learning, but that does take serious effort. :-)
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  502.  @saplo7899  Now if you would only read the scientific literature instead of the bullshit, then you would actually get somewhere. ;-)
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  503.  @saplo7899  No, I can't. That would require that you can handle facts. Few people can. :-)
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  504.  @saplo7899  Then why don't you? ;-)
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  505.  @saplo7899  I could. :-)
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  506.  @saplo7899  I didn't say that I will. ;-)
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  507. That is exactly the right strategy.
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  508.  @wilsonroo16  Yes, we are. That's hospital admissions.
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  509. And there is the god troll.
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  510. Same in my family. The antivaxxer branch had it for the second time now (approx. 18 months apart) and they didn't get tested officially (some got a home test kit, though, so we know that they had it, the symptoms were clear, anyway).
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  511. Hey, look, there is the lonely kid, again! :-)
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  512.  @ThekiBoran  I got it right, didn't I? :-)
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  513.  @ThekiBoran  I am here for you, kid. ;-)
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  514. Why do you believe that the virus cares about your ravings?
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  515.  @epicchannel4724  I didn't say that I care about your opinion. I am simply interested in the source of your idea that unpleasant reality will go away if you are talking enough bullshit about it. :-)
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  516.  @epicchannel4724  I didn't make a single factually incorrect statement, kid. I will give you as much attention as you need, though. Sorry that you didn't get it from your mother. :-)
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  517. You are welcome to take it. What stops you? :-)
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  518. Is a billion times enough or do you need more data? ;-)
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  519.  @jaynej9924  I am sure you also can't find any evidence that we ever went to the moon. :-)
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  520.  @jaynej9924  Did you find evidence for a spherical Earth, yet? :-)
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  521. Did you know that the Earth is flat? I just learned that on the internet. Amazing!
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  522. We had to vaccinate the entire world against the pox and we did. We were vaccinating most of the world against polio. You are simply a member of the "can't do" generation. Get a grip and grow up.
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  523.  @bovellois  The fight against pox lasted something like two centuries. Seriously, all of you need to grow a pair.
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  524.  @lukebailey1979  Dude, the Chinese eliminated COVID-19 with nothing but 12 weeks of lockdown. You need to stop drinking the cool-aid, OK?
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  525.  @lukebailey1979  Your delusions are your own, Dude. Nobody can help you with those. Just because you can't stand the idea that China got it right and the West didn't doesn't change facts. :-)
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  526.  @lukebailey1979  I didn't have the flu even once since I am getting vaccinated every year, kid. If you want to be sick annually, that's your choice. :-)
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  527.  @lukebailey1979  Yes, you are special. Just not the way you think. :-)
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  528.  @lukebailey1979  You are welcome to show the evidence that China didn't get it under control. And while you are it... how about some evidence for the resurrection of Jesus? :-)
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  529. My eight antivaxxer relatives had excellent natural immunity twice now. They are now waiting for the natural immunity booster shot. ;-)
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  530. Well, my naturally immune anti-vaxxer relatives had it twice now. Natural immunity really works. In your dreams. In the real world, not so much.
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  531. Take some NSAIDs. That usually takes care of it.
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  532. Fake news. :-)
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  533. And there is the kid who has an existential fear of life. ;-)
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  534.  @urashimatarou9575  Complete economic collapse is what happened at the end of the Western Roman Empire, when the population of Rome fell from one million to maybe as low as 20,000 over the course of less than 200 years. The worst the Tyler kid has ever seen was a contraction of the economy by maybe 5%. ;-)
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  535.  @Nasty-Nate-gh4it  And now you are just feeling sorry for yourself, kid. I will give you attention, anyway. ;-)
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  536.  @Nasty-Nate-gh4it  How do you like my attention, anyway? Should we get a room? ;-)
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  537. So you were two filthy vectors who gave a deadly disease to other people. That is a lot to be proud of, "grandma". ;-)
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  538.  @lalalol1215  Yeah, that is the same excuse I am hearing from every filthy vector. It's a lie to make yourselves feel better.
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  539. Yes, you are correct, without the mandates most parents will be getting sick with covid. ;-)
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  540. The antivaxxers in my family are the most ardent FB users. They are also the only people in my family who had COVID-19. Twice. :-)
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  541.  @KiwikimNZ  If you look at the deaths in the US, roughly half are due to the lack of vaccines in the beginning. The other half are due to limited vaccination rates in many counties and states since. Counties with good socioeconomics and higher vaccination rates did much better than the average (one third of the deaths per capita). People really brought this onto themselves "in the name of freedom". Vaccination rates in New Zealand are a little higher, but still insufficient. The government needs to do something to get it into the 95% range, at least. My best wishes. Hopefully your son will only have mild symptoms.
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  542. OMG! You had a bubu for three weeks! Poor baby! Does Mommy have to kiss it to make it better? :-)
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  543. That's cool. COVID will give you a medical exemption over and over again. ;-)
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  544. The evidence only shows that you may get immunity to the last strain you were infected with for a short amount of time. After that it's open season on humans for the next strain. ;-)
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  545. If you have "natural immunity", then you had COVID, which means you were a vector at one point. There was absolutely nothing safe about being around you. :-)
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  546. Crazy is not an argument, kid. ;-)
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  547.  @Afflictamine  And now you are feeling sorry for yourself. :-)
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  548. What camp is that? The KGB camp? :-)
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  549.  @geoffdein2894  I do? How about I simply call you an attention troll and then I wait for you to feel sorry for yourself. It never fails. ;-)
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  550.  @geoffdein2894  See, you are feeling sorry for yourself, already. It never fails. ;-)
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  551.  @geoffdein2894  I will give you attention anyway, kid. ;-)
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  552. Thanks for the fake news, "Anna". We really needed it. ;-)
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  553. If you become a vector, then it didn't protect you. It supported the virus which made you into its reproductive organ.
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  554. Bureaucrats.
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  555. Of people who have acquired natural immunity several times over? Yes, it's growing every day. So is the graveyard, of course. ;-)
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  556. If your premise was true, then you might have a point. The problem is that it's not true.
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  557.  @Joseph_Dredd  Yes, and that premise is false. Nobody has "natural immunity". That was never true for diseases like the flu and the common cold and it is not true for this one, either. Just how hard is that to understand. High recovery rates among kids simply means that the kids don't die. It's grandma and grandpa who do.
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  558. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  559. No, it didn't. :-)
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  560. Good. More vaccines for me. ;-)
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  561. The real issue is that your kid was transmitting the virus to other people for up to five days. I understand that you are primarily worried about yourself and your kid, but that, unfortunately, is not the entirety of the problem.
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  562.  @TheTruthOfAI  If he didn't infect anybody then everybody around him got lucky. Luck is never a strategy because it always runs out and it does not exist on average in the first place. The problem with COVID-19 is that many people are infectious before they notice the symptoms. This was clear very early on in the research literature (May 2020, if I remember correctly? Don't hold me to it, I don't feel like looking it up. That detail doesn't matter.). This also means that testing the symptomatic is simply a feelgood measure. By the time most people got tested and they got results back, they had already infected somebody else. Testing basically misses the window of opportunity by several days (It's the same for the flu, by the way, that's why your doctor usually won't even test you for flu, even though those tests have existed for a while). The only measures that work with COVID-19 to suppress the spread are pre-emptive. Masking works for short contacts (but most likely not for people who have to spend eight hours next to each other, including kids in school). Vaccination reduces the number of infections and lowers the rate at which the disease spreads, but only in homogeneously vaccinated groups. The only thing that is 100% effective is strict social distancing and it's the one thing that people are really not willing to do. In other words... the virus is evolved to use human behavior to its advantage.
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  563.  @TheTruthOfAI  No. Like I said, the only 100% effective measure is social distancing. China basically forced all the people in Wuhan to stay indoors for twelve weeks. That's a very extreme measure that worked even without vaccination. If we combine vaccination with effective social distancing and masking, then we can get away with less restrictive measures. Much more effective masking, e.g. with battery powered respirator masks that are far more protective than either cloth or surgical masks (while being far more comfortable) would work. We have all the solutions. What we don't have is the will of the population to apply them. People are trading a misguided sense of "freedom" for a life with a deadly disease that will kill many more millions over the coming years.
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  564. Natural immunity is really good, but only for those who survive the disease. It doesn't really do much for the dead. I mean, yeah, you are getting a posthumous Darwin Award, but that's pretty much the only upside in case of a negative outcome.
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  565. You should check all the data, not just selected data that he is giving you. Wait... that takes real work, doesn't it? ;-)
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  566. Because vaccinated people do have plenty of antibodies. That's what vaccines do, they give people the necessary antibodies to detect and fight the infection early. :-)
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  567.  @susansibley8093  None of the people in my family who had Pfizer, Moderna and a booster had COVID-19 even once. The eight antivaxxers in my family had it twice now. A couple who had sinovac had it three times. I would consider the Chinese and Russian vaccines as useless, indeed. If you look at the overall statistics, vaccinated and boosted people are far less likely to become vectors, they are far less likely to be hospitalized and they die way less often. Vaccines work great. At this point COVID-19 is a disease of the filthy unvaccinated folks. :-)
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  568. That's what my antivaxxer relatives are doing. They have simply decided to get COVID-19 over and over and over, again. ;-)
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  569.  @neecynew58  I had the flu every year until I started with the flu shots. I didn't have the flu in fifteen years since. Flu shots work. I had Moderna and the booster and I didn't get COVID-19 even once. It works. My eight antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 twice now. Another couple I know had it three times. So much for "natural immunity". It didn't work for the flu, it doesn't work for COVID-19. End of story.
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  570. No shit! :-)
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  571.  @chrysas.5622  Don't worry, you will find a way to infect yourself a second and a third time at the beach, too. Freedom! ;-)
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  572. Why would it not be effective? Every time you get a booster, be it a harmless vaccine or an actual COVID-19 infection, your immune system restarts antibody production. The only difference is that with a vaccine nobody gets hurt, with an actual infection you will become a vector who might kill somebody by infecting them or you might die yourself.
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  573. Yes, the statistics do prove that Denmark finally messed up like everybody else.
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  574. And fake news girl. :-)
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  575. Well, it will soon be criminal not to be vaccinated.
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  576. Why don't you take some zinc with that? ;-)
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  577. Eight of my relatives have acquired natural immunity for the second time and one couple got if for the third time. Let's hope you won't meet Mr. Venitlator the next time you will acquire natural immunity again. ;-)
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  578. None of the people who had Pfizer and Moderna in my family had COVID-19. The antivaxxer branch, on the other hand, had COVID-19 twice. Vaccines work like a charm. ;-)
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  579. And there is the lonely kid. Let me give you some attention, lonely kid. :-)
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  580. Eight relatives of mine got natural immunity twice now and two more got it a third time. They are all looking forward to acquiring natural immunity over and over, again. No vaccines required. ;-)
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  581. Yes, mate, Australia is the fifth most obese country in the world. But it's probably their beer consumption that pulls it off. Alcohol disinfects. ;-)
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  582. Cases in South Africa are not declining rapidly. We are seeing the first signs of a significant floor emerging.
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  583. That is fake news worth 50 cents. :-)
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  584. Natural immunity worked great for my relatives. Eight of them had it twice now and two had it three times. :-)
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  585.  @Nahash5150  Worked wonders for the Chinese. They eradicated the virus in Wuhan in 12 weeks by doing just that. Look... pandemics have one thing in common: they are way worse among the people who have "I am stupid" written all over their foreheads. :-)
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  586. So you are living the religion of Bill Gates as your prophet? ;-)
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  587.  @binnsconnard8559  Nobody gives a frell. Either about what you like or about what Bill Gates says or doesn't. I had dealings with foundations in the past, including with his. What you encounter is a bunch of usually incompetent people who would not be hired into successful corporations. Just forget about him and move on.
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  588. Just cough it up. Then you will have natural immunity. At least the good doctor says so.
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  589. Then you would have two people who are naively wrong about COVID-19 talking to each other. What's that good for?
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  590. You can give her COVID the natural way. That's what my relatives did to a less than one year old infant. ;-)
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  591. Then you simply don't understand. The masks are most effective at catching the droplets in the air you breath out, not the air you breath in. The surgical mask of the surgeon is mostly for the protection of the patient on the table, not for the protection of the surgeon. You had two years to inform yourself about the absolute basics and you are still as clueless as on the first day. Why is that?
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  592.  @kerynfox4279  Yes, that is complete bullshit. Eight of my relatives had COVID-19 twice and two had it three times. You are kidding yourself.
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  593.  @andyyoung7731  It has been shown, again and again, that masking and social distancing are an efficient way to stop the spread of airborne diseases. Denying facts is not a strategy for success. It's just denial.
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  594. The science on vaccinations has been settled a long time ago, kid. ;-)
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  595.  @odortiz  Look, Ma! There is the lonely kid who likes to talk bullshit to be noticed. ;-)
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  596. Your doctor will simply show you the door and make a mark in your file that you have neurotic tendencies. They always write facts down about you. :-)
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  597.  @DanWalterTradeview  That's true. Only idiots have been taking aquarium cleaner. The vaccines, however, are some of the best tested medications in the world and all ingredients are fully disclosed. Only idiots don't know where to find that information. :-)
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  598. That's good trolling. A+. ;-)
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  599. Hey, kid! I am here to give you attention! ;-)
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  600. Well, as you can see from the antivaxxer comments... infection certainly doesn't make people smarter. :-)
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  601. And there is the kid who needs attention. ;-)
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  602. I know somebody with long COVID who is not obese. He actually did a 100km bike ride shortly before he got infected the first time. Since then he is constantly tired and in pain. In terms of fitness he must have aged ten years, if not more.
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  603.  @beppo1 I believe that you will enjoy my attention. Let's go! ;-)
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  604.  @beppo1  It means that I am listening to you. ;-)
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  605. True. Sweden did only two and a half times worse than Denmark and 50 times worse then New Zealand and 150 times worse than China in deaths per million. Go Sweden! :-)
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  606. Exposure? That's 100% everywhere. :-)
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  607. Go for natural. Have your friends bet on how many days you will last on the ventilator when push comes to shove. In my opinion that's a very sporty way to go out.
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  608. Many of you also believe in a multitude of gods, none of which have ever been seen. Belief is not a good argument for anything.
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  609. My relatives didn't. They infected a less than one year old child the natural way. Aren't you proud of them? :-)
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  610. Who gives a frell?
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  611.  @lightandsalt80  None of the people in my family who are vaccinated, boosted and follow proper social distancing had it even once. Covid is a disease of the stupid and filthy now. :-)
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  612. That makes one of you and ten of my relatives who had it two and three times.
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  613. Where did that bullshit come from? :-)
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  614. You might want to show me the medical data for that claim with regards to the flu and the common cold. ;-)
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  615. I assume you didn't get a mortgage on your house and you didn't make a huge bet on your own prediction, did you? I mean, what could go wrong, right? :-)
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  616. That you are an engineer only tells us that you are clueless about medicine, Paul. But don't worry, I also won't take my car to my GP for an oil change. :-)
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  617.  @itsalldoable  Supporting Dr. Campbell is very noble of you. How do you know that you are supporting a worthy cause, though? You still don't know anything about the topic. Blind faith, is it? ;-)
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  618. Yes, and then there is the ivermectin groupthink. :-)
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  619.  @PerryScanlon  I also have a book titled "Fairytales by the Brothers Grimm". Its publication was right on time, so everything in there must be truthful. :-)
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  620.  @PerryScanlon  A retired person, kid. You are really not very bright about anything in life, are you? :-)
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  621. By that notion the Earth must be flat, then. ;-)
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  622. You are missing that this study is utter garbage.
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  623. New Zealand is one of the few places in the world that did most things right. Very smart people with very good government.
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  624. No. Two of my relatives had sinovac and they both got COVID-19 three times. :-)
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  625. There are always people who are perpetually wrong. :-)
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  626. Look, Ma! Somebody is counting chickens! ;-)
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  627. Please tell. ;-)
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  628. Right where the last freedom fighter is dying on a ventilator for his right to become the reproductive organ of a deadly disease. It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad just how stupid people are on average.
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  629. Yes, because we didn't vaccinate the entire world against smallpox. Oh, wait... we did. ;-)
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  630.  @chippe999  Oh, wait... you got that completely wrong and I called you out and now you are feeling sorry for yourself. ;-)
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  631. So now that everybody and their dogs have been looking for weeks into "these Pfizer documents", the grand total of findings can be summarized in the following sentence: "". :-)
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  632. What did he know? That he would be so tired of COVID that he would start telling lies two years later? I don't think he knew that back then, yet.
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  633. Why do you hate Fauci so much? He has told you the truth. Oh, wait... it's not Fauci you hate, it's the truth. Now we are getting somewhere. :-)
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  634. Peer reviewed by Vladimir Putin? ;-)
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  635. And there is that fake news, again. ;-)
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  636. Florine will remove the toughest spots. Also set fire to the house. ;-)
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  637. I have yet to see a single person who said "I didn't mind dying of COVID and stinky feet". :-)
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  638. And there is the crazy person...
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  639. Dude, not a single bit of that is true. If you want attention, just say so. :-)
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  640. Why are you so desperate to become the reproductive system of a deadly disease?
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  641. True, that's why they have the eight worst death rate per population in the world. Far worse than the UK. :-)
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  642.  @MrsWhite-jt1gw  Is that like the 500 people who saw the resurrected Jesus, kid? :-)
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  643. Fake news. :-)
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  644.  @buckbaumann773  Fake news. :-)
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  645.  @buckbaumann773  Fake news. :-)
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  646. Soon you will tell us that you went for natural immunity twice and some time after that it will be for the third time. :-)
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  647. Yes, that is illegal. That's why nobody does that. :-)
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  648.  @mikeoxlong4110  They are stupid for not giving children illegal substances? :-)
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  649. I seriously doubt that the virus cares much about your trust issues, though. What do you think? ;-)
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  650. Yes, you are right. Eight of my relatives have acquired natural immunity twice now, one couple even three times. It works great. It makes you sick over and over and over, again. :-)
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  651. Yes, I am sure the virus pays the media, kid. ;-)
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  652. Fake news. :-)
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  653.  @christinebrown6689  75 pages of fake news. Other guys claim it's 55,000 pages or 18 pages. All bullshit, kid. :-)
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  654. They warned you early. You didn't listen. They told you to wear masks. You didn't listen. They told you to get vaccinated. You didn't listen. They told you to socially distance. You didn't listen. What else do you want? A pat on the back for being idiots who don't listen? :-)
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  655. My antivaxxer relatives followed your advice for the second time now. All eight of them. Another couple that I know did even better and had it a third time in a row. I think they are trying to set a record. He even has long COVID for extra points! ;-)
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  656. Question what? That there are plenty of idiots who still want to play viral reproduction organ? That's a fact. ;-)
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  657. Relatives of mine had the "classical" Chinese sinovac vaccine. They also had COVID-19 three times. Why do you want to take a vaccine that is not effective?
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  658. @Limeade We already do. They are very safe. :-)
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  659. @Limeade Yes, in 2013. :-)
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  660. Yes, it works so well that my eight antivaxxer relatives have already acquired it twice. ;-)
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  661. Death rates didn't plummet. They can only go up. The good doctor seems to have lost his mind with this headline.
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  662. Worked for China just fine. :-)
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  663. And if you haven't been, yet, then you will be. ;-)
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  664. Hospital statistics indicate that many hospitals in the US are still over capacity. "Mild" disease alone is not enough. This is a multidimensional problem and most people can not think in more than black and white, not even when their lives depend on it, like now.
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  665. Also because my eight antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 twice now. ;-)
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  666. The Chinese have been defeating covid since Q1 2020. They and nobody else.
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  667. Life doesn't run on belief, kid. It runs on knowledge, of which you don't have much, of course.
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  668.  @kennyopinmind7558  I am never having any. Drinking is not good for the mind, as all the antivaxxer folks here who are obviously heavy drinkers are demonstrating. ;-)
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  669.  @kennyopinmind7558  You are obviously also pro flat Earth, so who gives a frell? :-)
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  670. Almost a million by now.
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  671. I don't know about the previous infection being protective. The anti-vaxxer side of my family was infected very early in 2020. They just got covid again about a month ago and it was pretty bad for each of them. I would like to see how much protection is left in previously infected after a year and a half.
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  672. Well, we here in the US had a over a million deaths by now... so I don't know about you... but one in three hundred people dying is kind of considered dangerous. If a company sold a shaver that would cut the arteries of one in three hundred men, it would be put out of business by regulators quite quickly. This many deaths don't seem to be much of concern where you live, though. :-)
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  673. I thing I have heard another troll use that line before. That was lazy. ;-)
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  674. And there is the lonely kid, again. ;-)
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  675. So what did you learn, except that these vaccines are safe? :-)
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  676. And there is the lonely kid. :-)
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  677.  @CraftEccentricity  I don't understand? How does that impact the fact that you are just a lonely kid who is looking for attention? :-)
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  678. Why is that wrong? :-)
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  679. Ah, there is the kid who needs attention, again. ;-)
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  680. Adam took some really bad street sh*t 2 weeks after he got vaccinated. So what? :-)
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  681. And now you are just looking for shallow excuses for your paranoia.
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  682.  @sw7366  Paranoia is a symptom of a malfunctioning brain. It's not the same thing as a well designed clinical trial. ;-)
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  683.  @sw7366  That is correct. You aren't designing anything scientific. I love you anyway, kid, even if your Mom didn't. :-)
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  684. Is Trump back in the White House, yet? :-)
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  685. Yes, there is a lot of fake news on the internet. There is also the rumor that a guy was resurrected 2000 years ago. That one is also not true. ;-)
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  686. Worked wonderfully for my relatives. They had it for the second and the third time now. :-)
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  687. Natural immunity worked great for my relatives. Eight of them had COVID-19 only twice and two others were lucky enough to catch it only three times. Just imagine what would have happened without natural immunity! :-)
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  688. That we don't care about antibodies is simply not true. This is a fast multiplying virus. A high antibody titer means a fast response to an infection, which means a low peak of viral particle count before the immune system can limit the disease. Without those antibodies the B- and T-cell response takes considerably longer, which leads to a much higher viral particle concentration, which makes the person both more infectious and more sick. There is so much false information about the biology of this out there that we might as well talk about the birth of a new religion. People are looking for a new resurrection here. There is none. Hospitalized patients are still dying in large numbers and that won't stop with the end of this wave, either. It will continue periodically as the antibody counts in people decrease after vaccination and/or infection. We can either actively eliminate this disease completely or it will be with us for a long time. Why people don't get this is very hard to understand. We all had the flu and the common cold regularly in the past, didn't we? What is, supposedly, the biological difference here? I mean, other than that this is a much more deadly disease?
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  689. Testing is of no importance for the country. The only things of importance are hospitalizations and deaths. You are clearly not a very smart one. ;-)
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  690. And there is the lonely kid with the god shtick. ;-)
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  691.  @alaskansourdoughwormsgarde4392  And there is the silly person on the internet who threatens everybody with his invisible friend. :-)
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  692. Essentially that is what he is saying, yes. Worst advice ever.
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  693. Three cases of COVID? Most likely there were many more cases of COVID in your village.
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  694.  @silentnot4812  You can ask the virus all the questions you want. Viruses don't have ears. ;-)
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  695. Testing for testing's sake is completely irrelevant. It only appeals to people who have OCD and can't stand it that not everything in life is perfect. The only relevant metric is how much covid stresses the healthcare systems and that, of course, is always known precisely.
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  696.  @LJ-wo1wf  Whether the numbers are rising or falling can be easily seen by the ER triage nurses. Again, unless you are testing to prevent future infection by others, which most people don't do because they don't really give a frell, then testing doesn't do a thing.
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  697.  @LJ-wo1wf  Nobody "needs" the test results. You need to get tested before you get on a plane. That will reduce infections somewhat. Truthfully, even for that purpose you would have to test negative, then quarantine for three to five days and get tested, again, to make sure that the plane is covid free. Testing for testing's sake is magical thinking. There are, unfortunately, a lot of three year old magical thinkers around.
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  698.  @LJ-wo1wf  Unless you act on what you see, the act of seeing is completely irrelevant. The only relevant cases of the virus are the ones that clog up the healthcare system. If you were to test everybody daily and you would quarantine and contract trace, then, yes, it would make all the difference in the world. The only country that does that is China. Even Singapore gave up on it.
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  699. In other words... reality doesn't agree with you, kid. I will give you my attention, anyway. :-)
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  700.  @kayyr.9909  I am still here and I am listening to every one of your idiocies. :-)
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  701. So how comes they weren't dying of unhealthy food choices on a respirator before COVID-19? It's a mystery. ;-)
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  702.  @paulbellas8797  They were dying on respirators? Why was that not in the news, Paul? That sounds like bullshit to me. You aren't just trolling for attention, are you, kid? :-)
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  703. Falling home prices are good for first time home buyers, what's wrong with that????
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  704. Also... millions of people are dying trying. :-)
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  705. There is no natural immunity to any respiratory disease. They are all evolved to get around your immune system in one way or another.
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  706. Everywhere? Not really. I didn't have it and my vaccinated relatives didn't have it, either. The others had COVID twice and three times. The couple that had it three times is especially vulnerable. She works with kids in kindergarten and preschool. That's why it's really important that we send the kids back to school again if we really want to infect absolutely every adult.
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  707. What makes you think that? Certainly not the data.
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  708.  @ronfeltman8506  I didn't say anything about tests, kid. You are hallucinating. :-)
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  709. It's just strange that people who were obese before COVID were hardly ever dying on a ventilator. ;-)
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  710. I am here to give you all the attention that you want. ;-)
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  711.  @stenzeliron6818 But I did. You cried out for attention and I gave it to you. That's way better than what your Mom did, anyway. ;-)
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  712. Nobody in your family got sick from the vaccines. End of story. :-)
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  713. So they told you what you wanted to hear? That's great. Just imagine how bad it would have been if they had told you something you didn't like to hear. ;-)
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  714.  @dr.stefanpilz1876  What was hard work? Pretending that natural immunity exists? Why is that hard? A simple look at reality will tell us that it doesn't. Plenty of people had two and three infections by now (including ten of my own relatives). So why is pretending that the opposite of reality is true hard work? You won't find any evidence for that statement to begin with, so you might as well just confabulate.
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  715. In other words, you got absolutely nothing, kid. Why don't you pull out your crayons and paint us a pretty picture for the fridge, instead? That's much more on your level of "legal expertise". :-)
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  716. Of course it does. Why would it go away? We have not developed herd immunity against either the common cold or the flu. :-)
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  717.  @treetababy  Ma! The local conspiracy theorist is here! :-)
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  718.  @treetababy  Dude, stop lying about your education. It's getting old. :-)
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  719.  @treetababy  Ma! Now the troll feels sorry for himself! :-)
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  720. That's how natural immunity works: the virus mutates so that you can acquire it over and over and over, again. ;-)
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  721. Yes, you are talking about a cold that kills 6000 people every day (that's officially, estimate of the death toll based on excess deaths is probably twice as high). That's a cold that will have killed eventually one out of every two hundred people and that will have taken years off many people's lives due to cardiovascular complications after infection. You are talking about a cold that could, at any time, mutate to a cold that kills ten times as many. Can we go back to normal? Sure, if by normal you mean thousands of deaths a day for probably years to come. Why not.
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  722. And there is the lonely kid. ;-)
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  723. What in the world is a natural immunity strategy? Bullshit heaped on top of bullshit???
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  724.  @Bubs.  No, I am not watching bullshit. I am watching my eight antivaxxer relatives who had COVID-19 twice, already. I don't want to miss when they get it for the third time. ;-)
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  725. What makes you think that the virus has a portfolio that contains Pfizer stocks? :-)
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  726.  @kevspencer5744  Kev, paranoia is not an argument, kid. It's a clinical symptom that something doesn't work right in your mind. :-)
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  727. Nobody stops you from acquiring natural immunity, once, twice, three times... who cares? ;-)
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  728. So how comes my antivaxxer relatives had it twice, already, but nobody in the family who got vaccinated with Moderna and Pfizer got it even once? You aren't making any sense here. ;-)
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  729.  @Joseph_Dredd So you are basically telling me that people who are completely asymptomatic and who didn't infect anybody either had to have the disease so that your argument doesn't fall apart? Sure, why not. I file that under "trolling" and move on. :-)
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  730.  @AquarianThoth  Yes, and they both became vectors who infected other people while they were sick. Dude, this is not just about you and your Mom and your roommate. When did people forget that they are not the only person on this planet?
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  731.  @AquarianThoth  Well, I am giving you attention, anyway, something which your Mom didn't. ;-)
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  732.  @AquarianThoth  You were asking for attention, so I am giving it to you. :-)
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  733.  @AquarianThoth  Yes, I already got it that you don't care about anybody but yourself. :-)
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  734. I have had great natural immunity against the flu for 15 years. It kicked in in the same year that I began getting flu shots. Imagine the coincidence! ;-)
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  735. If you had COIVID-19 in 2020, then you are no longer protected by the infection. Ten of my relatives had second and third helpings, already.
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  736. Yes, thanks to sinovac two of my relatives had COVID-19 for the third time. ;-)
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  737. If small exposures were effective at building immunity, then the disease could not spread in the first place and we could also make vaccines with minimal side effects and minimal antibody titer after vaccinations. We have a century of experience with making and testing vaccines. To the best of my knowledge vaccine micro-dosing is not an accepted pharmacological strategy. You are welcome to give us examples of practically used vaccines that rely on such a strategy.
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  738. Look, Ma! There is another kid who needs attention desperately. ;-)
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  739. Because you say so? Dude, the only reason why you are here is because nobody listens to you in the real world. ;-)
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  740.  @dinoturnbul  I already did, kid. You don't have to worry about that. :-)
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  741. Where did you see critical assessment here, exactly? He simply misinterpreted data.
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  742.  @D7cooper  In the fact that eight of my relatives had COVID-19 for the second time and two others had it for the third time, already.
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  743. I bet you said the same before the last wave and the wave before that. ;-)
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  744. Hey! That's exactly what my eight antivaxxer relatives said... until they all became violently ill with COVID-19 for a second time. ;-)
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  745. Every new episode should be called "Stupid people doing stupid things, yet again". At this point covid is essentially merely a lesson in failed human intelligence.
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  746. Religious beliefs are not a strategy against infectious diseases. Sewers and vaccines are.
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  747. Yes, that's why there was no flu and no common cold around every year. We were all immune. Just not in this universe. It must be nice living in yours. :-)
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  748.  @kosdas  Yes, that's why I kept getting the flu every year... until I got flu shots. Since then I didn't have it even once. It's called "evolution", kid, and it may get you a Darwin Award if you aren't respecting it. :-)
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  749.  @kosdas  Bwaahhhhaahaha... so you argument is that you can rename the disease and then nobody dies? It's obvious that you didn't get enough attention from your Mom, kid. :-)
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  750.  @metalpuppet5798  Dude, you are talking to a 100% attention troll here. That much is clear. :-)
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  751.  @metalpuppet5798  No apology needed. You are doing the right thing.
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  752.  @AquarianThoth  So what happened thirteen years ago when you lost your mind about vaccines? :-)
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  753.  @AquarianThoth  So did flu infections because people didn't get vaccinated. Same thing will happen with COVID. :-)
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  754.  @AquarianThoth  With COVID-19 people die because other people don't give a frell. That's life, too.
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  755.  @AquarianThoth  Are you feeling sorry for yourself now? :-)
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  756.  @AquarianThoth  Not really. It's obvious, though. ;-)
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  757. In other words, to the extent that your statements are true (and not all of them are) doctors in California (or is that supposed to be Canada?) were practicing rational medicine. :-)
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  758. Fake news. :-)
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  759. In those three days 7000 people died in the US who couldn't. Good for you, anyway! :-)
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  760.  @Mr.Reality  In the US more than one in 400 people died, already. In Bulgaria it's almost one in 200. Please go back to school and learn simple arithmetic.
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  761. Yes, it worked wonders for my relatives. The antivaxxers only had it for the second time now and another couple (she works with pre-school children) had it a mere three times. My family has really put natural immunity to the test and they can all say that they are very happy with it... except for the occasional two week periods when they feel sick like never before. ;-)
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  762. The food news for everybody is that the virus is much worse. :-)
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  763. You are cut off from "different perspectives"? Don't they have internet in New Zealand? Oh, wait... you are on the internet right now. ;-)
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  764. Your keyboard is broken, and that, I am afraid, is not the only thing about you that is. :-)
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  765.  @tonyking9235  You are still broken. :-)
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  766. Well, if COVID-19 gets hold of you and you are not vaccinated, then you can easily turn into a cabbage on a respirator and later you become cabbage food. I mean, why not... feeding the plants is not such a bad ending, right? ;-)
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  767. Ah, fake news kid is here. ;-)
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  768. Certainly not more than six to eighteen months. Family member of mine had COVID twice and even three times in an 18 month time span, already.
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  769.  @geeman4399  They certainly didn't say that they felt better the second time around. They were all pretty sick for up to two weeks the way I was told. The first time around they got infected in mid 2020, so that was probably a pre-alpha variant. Now they most likely got the omicron variant. My hypothesis is that if ones immune repertoire can't deal well with one variant, then it's unlikely to do much better with another one. Like I said, they are all close family members, too (great-grandma to a less than one year old) so it's also likely that they have strong genetic correlations in their immune systems. That is another reason to be skeptical about "natural immunity". There is most likely a pool of people in every population and for every such disease that serves as a source for re-infection of the entire population.
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  770.  @geeman4399  Those of us who live in free societies can take our chances. A few years ago there was a couple in Yosemite, I believe, who was taking selfies on a famous cliff. There was a sign that said not to go close to the edge. They were free and took their chances. A few seconds later they were dead at the bottom. :-)
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  771. You had benign paroxysmal positional vertigo. That's a simple mechanical shift of those little stones in your ear that give you a sense of body attitude. Your chiropractor has a simple and highly effective procedure that moves the stones back to where they belong. And, yes, it goes away on its own as well.
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  772. None. :-)
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  773. Then you probably had COVID in November in addition.
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  774. Let's repeat this for those people who didn't pay attention in middle school when we explained vaccines: The main reason for vaccination is to stop the disease from spreading in the first place. The primary protection of a vaccine is the fact that there is no more disease left in a 100% vaccinated population. "Natural immunity" can never achieve this. In a "naturally immune" population (which in practice means that people are constantly getting infected and dying), the disease will simply co-exist in an equilibrium with its host population.
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  775.  @ankurhanda1  Something that uses you as its reproductive organ. :-)
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  776. These are typical signs of virus infections. Even if you don't get long COVID-19 symptoms, you may be feeling tired and "not yourself" for months to come. I basically had to take a rest-year after a mononucleosis infection as an adult. I am not suggesting that that's the case for the majority of people, but if you are finding yourself in that situation, try to take it easy. It will, most likely, go away, it just takes time for your body to get back to normal. Best wishes!
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  777. How many cases get reported was always irrelevant. What is relevant is how many people are in the hospital and how many people are dying from the disease. You need to start thinking rationally about this.
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  778. Time to move to a place with intelligent people.
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  779. See my post above. When did we ever develop natural immunity to the flu, by the way, or the common cold? How about measles and a host of other childhood diseases that we are vaccinating against? Ever heard of natural immunity against shingles? How about herpes?
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  780.  @themittonmethod1243  I just had my shingles booster vaccine. Are you living in the stone age, or what? :-)
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  781. The are getting sick all the time and they are spreading it to everybody else. :-)
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  782.  @gordy3714  Two of my relatives had it for the third time now... so that's that. Natural immunity? Not a concept with COVID-19.
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  783.  @sara_sofia_1984  In other words, you are not a biochemist. :-)
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  784. Yes, and unvaccinated people are also getting shingles. That's why I just had a shingles booster. Boy, that thing is really rough. Give me a Moderna any day of the week. :-)
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  785. But then it lasts between six and eighteen months. What's there not to like?
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  786. You can put into your body whatever you want and I put into mine whatever I want. I chose the vaccines. They are safe and effective. :-)
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  787. So now all you have to do is to wait for the next infections and the first symptoms of heart disease at age 40. You did really well! ;-)
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  788. Yes, many people around the world believe in resurrection. It is, unfortunately, very rare.
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  789. When were your kids ever immune to the flu? So what makes you believe that they are immune to COVID-19 now? Because somebody said so based on short term data? That's like saying that nobody can get flu ever, again, three weeks after the flu season is over.
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  790. And then you got the flu, over and over and over, again. :-)
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  791.  @jamierenaut  I haven't contracted the flu for fifteen years, either. That's because I have been getting flu shots for the past fifteen years. I also didn't get COVID-19 because I am fully vaccinated and boosted. Unlike you I don't like to play Russian Roulette with microbes. :-)
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  792.  @jamierenaut  That vaccination doesn't prevent people from becoming vectors is just utter bullshit. :-) Reality doesn't care what you trust or don't. This ain't religion.
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  793. What's with the crazy, kid? Do you feel that lonely? Really?
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  794. It's not a matter of what you believe and never has been. This is a matter of facts.
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  795. Then why don't you learn some science?
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  796. None of the people in my family who had Moderna or Pfizer and a booster had COVID-19 even once. All you are telling us here is that you are a filthy vector. :-)
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  797. In the US 2000 people are closing their eyes forever daily. ;-)
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  798.  @chicomaki7327  I believe the American Indians used to call it "Idiots riding horse backwards". :-)
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  799. There is no test to tell you your risk. That's just another load of bullshit that is being posted on the internet over and over, again.
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  800. Hey! Fake news guy is here.
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  801. Why are you telling us that your mind works really poorly, "Brandi"? :-)
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  802. For a nation where only 6% of the population are 65 or older... very poorly.
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  803. That's true everywhere. A lot more people have covid than are getting tested. Not only that, but most people seem to be vectors for about five days, so if you multiply the the number of positive tests with two for undercounting and five for the length of the infectious phase (i.e. 10 overall), then you get an estimate for the number of people in the population who are active vectors. That was easily in the 1-10% range for many regions in the US. In other words... you were pretty much guaranteed to be exposed every time you went shopping. Thankfully even the latest variant is not infectious enough to make short exposures at a reasonable distance a real risk. At least it doesn't look like it, yet.
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  804. And there is the lonely kid. ;-)
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  805. Say, "charles", just how many injections have you given in life? And how comes your team has never won the Superbowl, even though you are the word's best armchair coach? :-)
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  806.  @charlesrussell1764  OMG, it's an industry! With professionals! It's the end of the world. Go hide underneath a stone, will you? :-)
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  807. Yes, there is a brand new disease every week and one of these days it will behave like you want it to. That was an example of sarcasm. ;-)
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  808. They are working on it.
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  809. Can you explain to me why you like to be the reproductive organ of a microorganism? Is that a weird new fetish, or something? :-)
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  810. Vaccines are a very low income business for pharmaceutical companies. That's just the usual bullshit from people who don't know anything about the industry and didn't even take five minutes to inform themselves about the sales data.
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  811. Crazy doesn't cut it, Kate.
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  812. I got the new booster vaccine two days ago. In the last 48 hours I grew bright orange antlers and a green flashing tail. The worst side effect, however, is that I am now talking absolute bullshit about the vaccine on the internet. ;-)
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  813. OMG, there is the kid who has never paid a cent of taxes in the US who needs attention. :-)
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  814. The vaccines have existed for over a year now. At this point it has become a disease of the stupid. Sorry to say, but that's the facts.
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  815. No. You can still get HIV and herpes. Drink from the wrong glass at a party and Epstein-Barr is your new best friend and STDs are having a party. :-)
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  816. The virus mutates all the time. Every infected person produces many different genetic variations of it. The bigger issue is the complete failure of the population to understand basic biology.
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  817. So when did things began going wrong with your mind? Early childhood or when you were a teenager?
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  818. No, nobody has conducted an interview with DNA in liver cells, yet. I doubt DNA will have to say much, anyway. ;-)
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  819.  @Amberhomemaker  You are welcome. ;-)
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  820. Didn't work for my relatives. Eight people who had COVID-19 in mid-2020 and now, 18 months later, they had it again. They even infected two small children.
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  821. Why do you want your kid to become a vector???? Only filthy people are vectors.
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  822. I have eight relatives who have acquired natural immunity twice, already! Two others are now triply naturally immune. ;-)
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  823. No, it just means that the good man has lost his mind about the issue. ;-)
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  824.  @joegarza7065  You do know that what you are buying or not is completely irrelevant to reality, right? ;-)
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  825.  @joegarza7065  You may want to believe that, it's just not so. :-)
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  826.  @joegarza7065  I don't believe anything. Only fools who can't deal with facts believe.
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  827.  @joegarza7065  There you go. Foolishness confirmed. :-)
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  828.  @joegarza7065  I already told you, only fools have beliefs. :-)
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  829.  @joegarza7065  Hey, Ma! The foolish person who is threatening everybody with his invisible friend just showed up on the internet! :-)
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  830. Yes, and Jesus rose from the dead. Religion is religion.
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  831. That's a post worth 50 cents. ;-)
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  832. Nobody ever died of hypertension. It's a symptom, not a lethal condition. :-)
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  833. Care to show me where they are recommending that? ;-)
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  834.  @kdub3892  That's not a mandate, Dude. That's the responsibility a cushy government job comes with. You are free to work for McDonalds, if you don't like it. Oh, wait, they just kicked you out because you wouldn't wear a hair net. ;-)
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  835. The evidence in my family shows the exact opposite. Those who had Pfizer and Moderna vaccines haven't even been sick once and those who don't have been sick two and three times. ;-)
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  836.  @Joseph_Dredd  Actually, if your hypothesis is that COVID-19 infection protects from re-infection, then a single counter-example is all it takes to invalidate. That's because you are formulating a very strong hypothesis which simply isn't true. :-) I don't see any statistical evidence for long term protection, either. Does infection protect you for half a year? Sure it does. It always did that for the flu, too. The problem is that once that half year is up, the virus has mutated and your antibody count is back in the woods. End of effective protection.
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  837. He keeps projecting his own hopes on the data, which is a sign of stress and burnout.
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  838.  @miketomlin6040  Could be. All I know is that he is very hit and miss. More so lately, I believe, than in the past.
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  839.  @TheSeafordian  Shinglish?
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  840. You are right. The worst side effect one can have from not getting the vaccine is death by COVID. What could go wrong, right? :-)
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  841. That is exactly what vaccines are stopping. You need to pay attention to facts.
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  842. Joe, crazy doesn't cut it. Not even on the internet.
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  843.  @ThekiBoran  Boran, crazy doesn't cut it, not even on the internet. :-)
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  844.  @ThekiBoran  I see you are really desperate for attention. :-)
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  845.  @ThekiBoran  You are trying too hard, kid. You already have my attention. :-)
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  846.  @ThekiBoran  But you desperately need attention, kid. It's obvious. :-)
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  847. What would that change? I have eight relatives who had it twice, already. Two more had it three times. :-)
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  848.  @neiliewheeliebin  How is a person who had it twice and three times "more immune"? Dude, that would have been a fail, even in kindergarten. :-)
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  849.  @neiliewheeliebin  In the context of this video my eight antivaxxer relatives had it twice and all my relatives who had Pfizer and Moderna and a booster didn't even have it once. Curious, isn't it? Vaccines seem to convey so much more immunity than infection. :-)
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  850.  @neiliewheeliebin  Yes and that is all bullshit. If you have caught the virus then you are just another dirty vector who is putting others at risk without caring. Sober up, kid. This is not a game.
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  851. Maybe honest, but also wrong.
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  852. The truly sad part is that COVID-19 has driven many people crazy without a single virus particle entering their bodies. Those who can't deal with reality rationally have been fairing extremely poorly psychologically during the pandemic.
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  853. That sounds like total bullshit. Why don't you just say that you need attention? :-)
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  854. Close enough. Nothing stops you from playing nature's newest Darwin Award game, though. We have plenty of winners, already, and you can win, too!
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  855. Curiously they weren't all dying on the ventilator before mid 2020. :-)
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  856. It also keeps killing 2000 Americans a day. The FDA would never approve a vaccine that does that. :-)
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  857.  @peanutdust1053  Look, Ma! There is another person on the internet who doesn't like to hear the truth! ;-)
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  858. Antivaxxers are against all vaccines, not just against certain vaccines.
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  859. It's actually worse than that. On average the US lost approx. 1000 people a day since the second quarter of 2020. The number for the entire world is on the order of over 6000. There is no guarantee that we won't stay at that level after this wave is over.
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  860.  @Faruk651  Dude, the virus doesn't give a frell about your desperate need for attention. :-)
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  861. A case is not the same as an infection. Details matter.
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  862. So you had it for a second time and you just can't admit to yourself that you are one of the filthy people who are prolonging this pandemic. :-)
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  863. You mean the dead? Yes, all of their worries are over and they are absolutely immune from every disease.
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  864. Of course there is... for the undertaker. The average funeral cost in the US is between $7k-$12k. Multiply with 900,000 deaths and we are easily talking about an additional $10 billion for the funeral industry. Also hundreds of millions for the cut flower industry. Good times!
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  865. Also fairly unnecessary. You will know it if you have severe covid and if you don't, then testing won't do anything for you.
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  866.  @johnbowman476  By the time you get tested after developing covid symptoms you have already infected those other people.
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  867. The virus is also not on the payroll of big pharma. When push comes to shove I prefer listening to what the virus has to say. :-)
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  868. Are you saying the Australians have joined the sane half of humanity? :-)
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  869. There is no risk to vaccination if you had the infection. You are simply bringing your antibody levels back up. You are doing exactly the same with the second, third etc. infection, anyway.
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  870.  @MaryResek  Rabies vaccination? What in the world are you talking about? Rabies shots are given as an emergency procedure to people who have been potentially exposed. There is no testing in that case whatsoever. You get bitten by a dog, you get the shots. This definitely is the dumbest post of the day. Food for thought, kid. ;-)
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  871. With statements like these I am generally more worried about people's brains. ;-)
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  872. You found out about COVID-19 in 2019? It wasn't identified as a serious disease until 2020. John, please stop bullshitting. :-)
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  873.  @lvanomme  No, I wouldn't. I don't waste my emotions on things like that. :-)
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  874.  @lvanomme  I only waste my time on giving attention to people who clearly didn't get enough from their mothers. ;-)
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  875. Fifty trucks is not a big convoy. :-)
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  876.  @buschleaguers75  They only showed 12, so I multiplied with four and a bit, assuming that would do it. :-)
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  877. Well, eight of my antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 twice now. Those in my family who had Moderna and Pfizer plus a booster didn't have it even once. So much for "no additional benefit". I would say that vaccination based on my sample provides ample benefit. At least twice now. :-)
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  878.  @grahambarrett442  If your hypothesis is that you get strong immunity from infection, then eight people is all it takes to invalidate it, especially since these eight people have been infecting each other. I know who the firsts two vectors were and everybody else got infected by those two people. In essence, what you can see in that branch of my family is that eight out of eight possible people did not have natural immunity. You can't even argue that they are genetically very similar because half of them are genetically unrelated spouses and girlfriends/boyfriends. :-)
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  879. Your post is very helpful to the 2000 Americans who are still dying daily and their families.
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  880. My antivaxxer relatives didn't. They simply gave COVID to their less than one year old child the natural way.
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  881. My antivaxxer relatives had it twice now, another couple in my family had it three times. What do you think? Can you get it again? Of course you can. You used to get the flu all the time and the common cold, too, didn't you? Why is this even a question?
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  882.  @steve1711  I was also told somewhere on the internet that Santa brings the presents for up to 15% of all children. Or was that for all children? ;-)
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  883.  @steve1711  I got that thing about Santa from Santa directly. He works during the holidays at the local mall. It's $22 for a set of three pictures. ;-)
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  884. Two of my relatives had COVID for the third time now. So much for the "natural immunity" "bullshit.
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  885.  @metalpuppet5798  They had COVID early on, then got vaccinated and had COVID twice since. Immunity doesn't last and in people who don't have a good immune repertoire it probably won't last long at all. We are 20 months into the infection, so that's six months between infections... totally compatible with the biology of the disease. People need to stop believing in magic here. There is no magic with flu or the common cold or measles or herpes or any number of other diseases. That's the entire story, really.
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  886. Worldwide vaccine mandates are coming. It's just a question of time. :-)
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  887. Well, based on my personal family experience, natural immunity is a mirage. Eight people in my family had COVID-19 twice now and two had it three times, already. The good doctor simply looks at immunity at a couple of months and extrapolates that out to infinity. That is not how these things work.
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  888. And there is another lonely kid. :-)
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  889. In other words... you didn't find anything in these documents worth mentioning. ;-)
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  890. Mostly in red states that have low vaccination rates. My county has high vaccination rate because there are a lot of intelligent people here and hospitals are fine. :-)
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  891. You probably don't know that eight of my relatives had COVID for the second time and two more had it three times, thus completely invalidating the natural immunity hypothesis. :-)
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  892. Sounds like a good strategy. Keep it going girl! ;-)
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  893. 97% of all COVID deaths are unvaccinated, so it's a pretty good life insurance policy. ;-)
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  894.  @trentinoanonimot1098 Two of my relatives had COVID for the third time now. The antivaxxer branch had it twice and they have infected a baby with it. You had it twice. What are you saying? That this thing is going away on its own? You are quite the jokester, aren't you? :-)
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  895.  @wizardatmath  So that's one of you against ten people in my family. You lose. :-)
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  896. The data from South Africa indicates that the omicron wave didn't end in an extinction of the virus. The infections seem to slowly converge on a high floor, which will inevitably result in a new wave of infections as the vaccine and infection induced short term immunity vanes. We have reached the stage where COVID-19 may behave seasonally like other infectious diseases, but with ten times the death toll.
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  897. And there is the lonely kid, yet again. ;-)
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  898. There is no such thing as "natural immunity". That's just another level of bullshit that is multiplying like a virus on the internet.
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  899. Name ten. Try not to appear cray while doing it. :-)
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  900. Yes, it is, especially since you aren't even getting any "natural immunity". At best you get a comparable level of short term protection that you can also get from much less harmful vaccines.
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  901. So you are not worried when people around you are dying? You are one cool cucumber, Joy. :-)
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  902. So you can't tell what's wrong with his argument? That's probably a side effect of you not finishing school. ;-)
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  903. In-vitro means "in a test-tube". You are welcome.
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  904. Wait, did FB violate your naive idea that you are its owner? Oh, my... ;-)
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  905. Can you tell me why a woman wants to become the reproductive organs of a microorganism? If a man tried to force reproduction on you like the virus does, we would call it a crime. But you don't seem to have problems when another species does the same. Don't you think that's strange?
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  906. Why are you telling us that you are not informed? :-)
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  907. No. :-)
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  908. True, natural infection worked really well for half my family. Eight of them had it twice and infected a baby along the way, another couple had it three times. I guess if you don't mind getting it at least once a year, natural immunity (or the absence thereof) will do.
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  909. The Netherlands did OK, considering. I mean... they did 400 times worse than China in deaths per population, but a couple of times better than the US or the UK, so I guess that's considered a success these days. :-)
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  910. Yes, you can always willfully misinterpret data and you will always find an audience on the internet when you do. :-)
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  911. Yes, Trump did a lot of damage on the political front, that's true. He is also obese and diabetic and he sure likes his burger for lunch. ;-)
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  912. Did you pull that bullshit out of your own rear? :-)
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  913. COVID is also a socio-economic disease. Everybody in my family who had it is either dumb, poor or both. None of the intelligent family members with jobs that can be done from home had it even once. Outside of my family, among all the people that I know personally, the same rule holds with one exception. Guess what that exception is? A medical doctor who was treating COVID-19 patients. He got it at work. QED.
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  914. Yes, that worked out really well for the millions of dead people that we didn't protect, didn't it?
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  915. Yes, that is exactly why my antivaxxer relatives had COVID for the second time in 18 months and another couple I know had it for the third. ;-)
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  916. Only the parents who love their kids are. The other parents don't.
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  917.  @Tubemanjac  Yes, in this case it's killing grandma and grandpa, teachers etc.. :-)
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  918.  @ronz878  The benefit is by eliminating vectors, kid. You need to go back to middle school where we tried to teach you what vaccines do. They are not primarily used to protect the individual but they disrupt the exponential spread of the disease.
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  919. Yes, you are missing that kids are perfect vectors for the disease. They may not die themselves but their grandparents and strangers might.
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  920.  @MrWhisperingwildly  Vaccination? It stops people from becoming vectors, so it stops the infection of others. We taught you that in middle school. Why did you not listen? :-)
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  921. Why would you be surprised about not having sufficient antibody count? If it can't be detected by multiple consecutive tests, then your body simply doesn't make enough. Nature didn't give you a guarantee that you were born with a perfect immune system. You may just be one of those people we call "immunocompromised" and you may have to live with that. Duh!
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  922.  @nessierose7652  And, yet, you don't have antibodies. And that is not the only thing you are obviously missing, kid. :-)
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  923. I can tell that your world is not just flat, it's also black and white. ;-)
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  924. You are correct. You don't have to get vaccinated. You can just do it like my eight anti-vaxxer relatives and get COVID-19 a second time. You can be sick a second time and be an effective vector for a second time. Why not? It's a lot of fun and makes you an outstanding citizen. ;-)
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  925. Look Ma! There is the person on the internet who is wasting emotional energy on a US state. :-)
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  926. Der Naturwissenschaftler wird dir sagen, dass so etwas wie "natuerliche Iminutaet" einfach nicht existiert. :-)
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  927. The empirical data says that there is no natural immunity. You can ask ten of my relatives. Eight had COVID-19 twice and one couple had it three times, already.
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  928.  @davestennes305  Yes, the only parallel that is missing is mortality. Neither the common cold nor the flu will kill you. COVID-19 will kill up to one in 200 people. That is completely independent of your personal feelings about any one individual.
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  929.  @davestennes305  I didn't even have a flu in 15 years. Oh, wait... I have been vaccinated against flu for the past 15 years. Flu has been a non-problem for decades. ;-)
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  930.  @davestennes305  I am pretty sure the virus cares about your personal preferences for doctors a lot. ;-)
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  931. Far less likely.
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  932. Where did you pick it up in January 2020? You must have been one of the very first infected in the US. Did you travel to China?
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  933. I only have one data point, but the antivaxxer branch of my family (eight adults, two young children) contracted COVID-19 in mid-2020 and now about 18 months later, they all contracted COVID-19, again. None of the vaccinated members of the family (ten adults) got infected at any time. It seems highly implausible to me that previous COVID-infections give any useful protection against re-infection on the 18 months time scale, but proper social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination with recent booster still seem to be highly effective.
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  934.  @nickbarnes4303  We even know where they acquired the infections. The first time it was a party attended by a young male family member. The second time it was a weekend trip to a hotel by one of the older adult couples. The problem is not "just" vaccination status but socio-economically driven behavior. Their response to COVID-19 has always been "we are in god's hands", which indicates that they simply do not take it seriously (the running joke in the remainder of the family is now that "god gave it out with both hands", of course). I feel like I am looking at a small laboratory version of the population within my own family. The virus seems to have an enormous reproductive advantage among people who think that this is a joke.
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  935. They can be made and have been made. The Russians and the Chinese did and they ended up with really poorly working vaccines. In countries where these vaccines have been used the majority of the population rejected them and people were trying to get their hands on Moderna and Pfizer, instead.
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  936.  @jfo18  That is fake news. Of course China is doing better. It did really well in Wuhan without any vaccines. That's because we don't need vaccines to beat COVID. It can be done with social distancing alone, all you need is a police state of the Chinese kind to enforce it. In Eastern European countries that were using the Chinese vaccine the numbers are horrible.
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  937. The virus doesn't care whether you get tested or not. You are its reproductive system, anyway.
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  938. Hey, you are still free to own the libs by dying an unvaccinated death on a ventilator. ;-)
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  939. And evolution. The Earth is flat and 6000 years old. We have never been to the moon. Good stuff! :-)
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  940.  @thebluedan  Like how many angels are dancing on the tip of a needle?
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  941.  @thebluedan  Depends on the head these imaginary Israelis are dancing in, I guess. Sadly I know a few people who are imagining it's hundreds of millions.
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  942. It's just too bad that his conclusions are all wrong, isn't it? ;-)
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  943. So, tell me, where was this 60 year old natural immunity knowledge in case of the flu and the common cold? And why is your keyboard breaking suddenly? ;-)
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  944. That matches the experience of my relatives. Eight of them had COVID-19 twice and one couple had it three times in an 18 month period. This indicates that immunity does not last longer than approx. 6 months, even in this tiny sample. In larger samples we are very likely to find much more rapid reinfections.
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  945. I can name ten people on the internet who are spreading fake news. :-)
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  946. Why don't you write another protest banner with your crayons, Keryn? Maybe that will make you feel better. ;-)
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  947.  @kerynfox4279  Only the eternally silly people think that age cures anything. Does Putin look wise to you, at the moment? There is a 69 year old 5'6" Russian wise guy at the brink of setting Europe and possible the world ablaze because his childish ego is out of control.
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  948.  @kerynfox4279  Yeah, age certainly didn't bring you wisdom. :-)
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  949. Adverse effects of COVID: a 0.5% chance of death. :-)
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  950. Because a lot of red state voters think they can own the libs by walking the virus off. Instead they are walking directly into the light. :-)
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  951.  @Faruk651  Most of those dying are not obese. They are old and stupid. Also... most of them are republicans. ;-)
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  952. As you can see from the number of people who aren't getting vaccinated, many people are completely stupid.
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  953. Yes, you could collect them all. It's just not clear to me why you would want even one of them?
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  954. You can talk to almost a million dead people in the US about that. I am sure they will be very impressed by you.
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  955. Fake news.
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  956. Stupidity, mostly. People are still not taking this disease seriously. There are exceptions. The Chinese did and still do.
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  957. There is the lonely kid.
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  958. My antivaxxer relatives disagreed with Pfizer and they have now acquired natural immunity twice. The side effects of the natural vaccine were mild and only lasted two weeks each time, during which they said that the natural vaccination was the worst experience of their lives. They also gave the natural vaccine to a less than one year old infant. ;-)
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  959. Ah, those magical studies that don't exist. Always an internet favorite.
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  960.  @Bubs.  Ah, those magical studies that don't exist. Always an internet favorite. You were saying? :-)
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  961. Your family clearly didn't eat well, didn't take their vitamins and Zinc. It's their own bad habits that are killing them. ;-)
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  962. And there is another kid who can't handle reality. ;-)
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  963. Your family member had a thrombosis event. That doesn't automatically mean it's connected to the vaccine. Correlation is not causation.
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  964. Yes, getting COVID-19 worked so well for my relatives that eight of them got it twice, already and two had it three times. Collect them all! ;-)
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  965. Have you ever seen a mouse coughing? I have not. ;-)
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  966. I often get a metallic taste in my mouth. My dentist tells me it's just my gums bleeding and I should floss more often. ;-)
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  967. They always are, but only in the minds of the mentally insane. ;-)
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  968. Hey, there is the same fake news guy, again. :-)
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  969. And the lonely kid, again. :-)
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  970. Based on the experience of my eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice and the two who had it three times, neither strain presents any protection against omicron. And why would they?
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  971. Deaths in the US are not higher compared to all other countries. Your first statement is already false. :-)
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  972.  @larrykiehl2457  Deaths per million: Peru: 6207 Bulgaria: 5100 Bosnia Herzegovina: 4700 Hungary: 4,477 ... ... ... US: 2870
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  973. And why were you doing such a nonsense to begin with?
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  974. It doesn't matter that you had the infection before. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 for the second time and two who had it three times, already. Just because you had the flu before doesn't mean you won't get it again, either. Same here. But unlike the flu this disease kills at least one in 200 people, potentially much more than that.
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  975.  @dwightcarlson7136  The fully vaccinated get it less frequently and they die waaaay less frequently. Dude, let's stick to the facts. Conspiracy theories don't protect from a microorganism that uses you as its reproductive system.
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  976.  @dwightcarlson7136  You are. :-)
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  977.  @dwightcarlson7136  See, you are all about conspiracy. :-)
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  978.  @dwightcarlson7136  Yes. :-)
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  979. Testing is useless unless you are acting on it. What's your point? That you need attention? Well, I am here to give it to you. :-)
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  980. Fake news. :-)
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  981. Yes, that's why eight of my antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 twice now. They are very immune and looking forward to becoming immune for a third time. :-)
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  982. Why would you think that they are? Just because somebody on the internet told you? That is all it takes for you to feel good?
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  983. That's what my eight antivaxxer relatives said who all acquired natural immunity twice by now. They are looking forward to another two weeks of misery when they will acquire it for the third time. ;-)
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  984. We do know the real covid story. China had it under control in 12 weeks without any vaccines just by local social distancing and tracing.
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  985.  @cindy652  Yes, Cindy, why don't you? ;-) Ebola has a mortality of 50% and we now have vaccines that are 70-100% effective. Problem solved... for those who get vaccinated.
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  986. What do you need such a test for? Just because you had it doesn't mean you won't have it six months from now again. I have two relatives who had it three times in 18 months and another eight who had it twice.
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  987.  @mashdown3  Testing is completely useless unless you act on it.
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  988.  @corny5128  There were no vaccines during the first year of the pandemic. The Chinese gave proof that social distancing works, though. The slow uptake of the vaccines after they became widely available proves that people are irrational. You can find plenty of correlation between vaccination status of the population and death toll in 2021, if you want. Not that I believe that you want to. You sound very comfortable in your fantasy.
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  989.  @corny5128  All of that was total bullshit, kid. I will give you attention anyway, since it is obvious that you weren't getting it from your Mom. :-)
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  990. Nobody stops you from getting sick, kid, if being the reproductive organs of a virus is your personal kink. ;-)
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  991. You don't have any natural immunity. Without the vaccines you will always be one exposure away from being hospitalized, again. Along the way you will be a disease vector who will endanger other people like your husband and relatives. You can ask my folks. The eight antivaxxers in my family had COVID-19 twice now. Another couple had it three times, already. None of the properly vaccinated and boosted people in my family had VOCID-19 even once.
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  992. That's very likely. If you estimate conservatively that only half of those who are infected get tested and\or test positive and those who have the disease remain infectious vectors for five days, then multiplying the number of positive cases with ten gives you a rough idea about how many infectious people you have out there. I find that during the omicron peak typically one half to several percent of the population might have been infectious, i.e. if you went to the grocery store, the likelihood of coming in contact with a vector was very high. We could have prevented the omicron peak only with nearly 100% vaccinated and boosted populations and effective social distancing, neither of which Western countries are willing to do.
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  993. So your hypothesis is that covid doesn't cause neurological and cardiac problems at all? Interesting. ;-)
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  994. Pfizer documents are private, so there is no such thing as a freedom of information request that could make them public. That only works for government documents. :-)
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  995. I feel kind of sorry for Dr. John Campbell. Over 90% of the comments that are being left in his comment sections come from certifiable bots and paid trolls. So sad. :-(
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  996. Like my anti-vaxxer relatives who had covid for the second time, already? Sounds like the same kind of natural immunity to me that one develops against the flu and the common cold... none.
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  997.  @joeespin4377  Oh my god, Joe, what are you doing on the internet, man? You must be constantly sore from people pointing out your bullshit. :-)
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  998.  @joeespin4377  More bullshitting? Come on, man.... that's just cheap. Every halfway intelligent child knows that one can get re-infected with flu and the common cold over and over, again. Are you really pretending to know less than halfway intelligent children? You seriously expect me to believe that?
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  999.  @joeespin4377  And there is the anti-vaxxer, fake news bullshit. :-)
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  1000. And your nose has been very long lately, too, hasn't it? :-)
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  1001. You don't have to get vaccinated. My antivaxxer relatives had natural immunity for approx. 18 months before they got infected, again. You should be good for a year, maybe two if you are lucky. That's sort of what they are saying about the vaccines... it will take a booster at least once a year. So, yes, a good covid booster infection will soon be in order.
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  1002. Yes, and the jabbed get covid only one tenth as often. They clearly didn't teach you logic in school. Well, maybe they tried but it didn't stick. ;-)
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  1003.  @cosifantutte1071  Ah, here comes the conspiracy theorist. Over here you guys also think that Trump won the election. :-)
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  1004.  @miraculixxs  I know, but it's also known that many people (possibly a majority) prefer fairytales over reality.
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  1005. What has not been addressed? That people are getting COVID-19 over and over, again? Of course it has. :-)
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  1006. So how do you explain that eight of my relatives had it for the second time and two had it three times, already? How does that fit into the natural immunity picture? ;-)
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  1007. And by "heavy infection" you mean two weeks of vacation on the ventilator? :-)
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  1008. Where did you get that bullshit from? Your own rear or somebody else's? :-)
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