Comments by "Lepi Doptera" (@lepidoptera9337) on "Infection generates natural immunity" video.

  1. You have long COVID? Well, that worked out really well for you, didn't it? Just imagine what the two days of slight malaise after the vaccinations would have felt like. You clearly made the right choice there. ;-)
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  2. That is correct. What vaccines actually do is to reduce the number of infections that turn a person into an effective vector, therefor they reduce the ability of the microorganism to multiply effectively. Ideally the disease dies out once the entire population has been vaccinated. A natural infection, however, is the very process that generates the vector, hence it enhances the ability of the microorganism to spread. What happens inside the body in either case is completely irrelevant from an epidemiological standpoint. The only question of interest is whether the organism can spread or not. With vaccination it can't, with "natural immunity" (which does not exist to begin with), it can and does.
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  3.  @intheyear2510  That you don't. Eight relatives of mine had COVID-19 for the second time a couple months ago and two had it for the third time. This natural immunity thing has become like the second coming of Jesus. It's religion, not fact. You have immunity after infection for half a year, maybe a year, then your antibody count is down and the virus has mutated and you are vulnerable, again. Just how hard is that to understand? It was never any different from the flu and the common cold in that regard. It's just a lot more deadly than the flu and the common cold.
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  4. You don't have "an exact" immunity level. That's just bullshit that you read somewhere on the internet. If you had COVID-19 the first time, then you will get it a second and a third time, just like you are getting the flu over and over, again. :-)
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  5. Maybe they will get you a certificate the next time you get it or the time after that. ;-)
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  6.  @stephanievaarsi1588  No, of course not. As you said yourself, only delta can cause that. Except that he got long COVID-19 before delta. ;-)
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  7. I just learned that two of my relatives (not even in the antivaxxer branch) now got COVID-19 for the third time. He was already suffering from long COVID-19 symptoms, by all accounts it really ruined his health and now he got re-infected, most likely by his wife who works with kids in facilities that have not shut down. It's a shame. They are very nice people. For some people neither previous infections nor vaccines provide enough protection. We need far better policies with respect to people who have a naturally weak immune response to this disease.
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  8.  @emilw82  You wouldn't know that you are infectious at the beginning of the disease, kid. Keep enjoying my attention. :-)
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  9. Better, actually. I had Modern and I never had COVID. My antivaxxer relatives (all eight of them) had it twice now. :-)
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  10. Do you always have bad taste in people? ;-)
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  11. Calm down.
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  12. You can ask eight of my family members. They got it in mid 2020 and they had it again a couple months ago. Natural immunity is simply not a thing after eighteen months.
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  13. You should talk to my eight antivaxxer relatives who had COVID-19 for the second time, already. They were all sick for two weeks, again. They didn't have "mild symptoms", either, neither the first nor the second time. And then there is the couple that had it for the third time... he has long COVID-19 symptoms in addition. So much for "natural immunity". Immunity after infection lasts until the antibody counts are too low to protect you. It's that simple.
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  14.  @Frillar  This is not "anecdotal" to the folks I know. To them it is dead serious. Either way, as long as people get re-infected, the disease stays around. We have countries where it has already claimed one in two hundred lives. When is enough? One in a hundred? One in fifty? One in ten? What, exactly, are you waiting for? A miracle? God's angels appearing in the sky and inoculating people with god-rays? How did that work out for leprosy and smallpox? Those were cured by us. Smallpox was completely eradicated.
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  15. Well, he was right back then and is simply wrong, right now. It's that simple.
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  16. OK, Boomer. ;-)
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  17. Neither did other variants protect well against omicron. Either way, what little protection previous infections offer, it diminishes quickly over time. There is no realistic prospect for population level natural immunity from what we know.
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  18. Good for you. You will be pleasantly surprised when you survive it the second and the third time. :-)
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  19.  @Genesis-du8xf  Eight of my relatives had it twice and two others had it three times, already. Fact. :-)
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  20. You could get COVID and recover. A hands on demonstration of just how harmless a disease it is should convince most people. What could possibly go wrong? ;-)
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  21.  @captainmaim  Look, kid, if all you want is attention, just say so. :-)
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  22. Because natural immunity doesn't last any more than immunity through the vaccines does. Remember those annual flu shots? Same thing.
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  23. Then don't. At this point nobody really cares how many times you come down with COVID and what it does to your health. You are an adult, right? And you value your freedom. Am I right? ;-)
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  24. Exactly. That's why my antivaxxer relatives had it twice now and two other relatives had it for the third time. Natural immunity works really well. Just not in this universe. :-)
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  25. It's so mild that 2000 Americans are dying from it every day.
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  26. That question doesn't even make sense. "Natural immunity" means that you had COVID-19, which means that those who will develop long COVID-19 symptoms already have them. Long COVID-19 does not give natural immunity. I have a relative who has long COVID-19 symptoms and who had the active disease for a third time, already.
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  27. Yes, the smallpox disappeared because people ate themselves healthy. Oh, wait... they didn't! They disappeared because we had a worldwide vaccination program. ;-)
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  28. Don't know about a couple of months, but eight of my relatives had it twice in about a year and a half and another couple had it for the third time now (he has long COVID in addition), so whatever immunity people get from an infection, it doesn't seem to last significantly longer than for e.g. the flu or the common cold.
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  29. 2000 dead people a day in the US prove you wrong. :-)
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  30. In my family the statistical evidence is as follows: everybody who has been vaccinated with Moderna or Pfizer didn't have COVID-19 even once. The eight antivaxxers in the family had it twice and a couple who were vaccinated with sinovax had it three times, already. One person has long COVID-19 symptoms.
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  31. So that we will have a better vaccine against the newer variants. :-)
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  32.  @Secret-sw8ih  Eight of my relatives have gotten natural immunity twice now, two others three times. ;-)
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  33.  @metalpuppet5798  This is what really upsets me. The same people who have a lifetime of experience with flu and the common cold, neither of which humans have any level of "natural immunity" to, are claiming that this respiratory disease has to be magically different and disappear on its own. There is absolutely nothing in any of the data that we have seen that would indicate that COVID-19 won't cost millions of lives every year going forward, unless we actively prevent it from killing us.
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  34. That's cool, but reality does not care what you believe or not. So what point are you trying to make? That we should applaud you on the internet because you made a foolish statement?
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  35. What were they wrong about? 97% of all people who are dying of COVID are unvaccinated.
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  36. Now that was fake news worth 50 cents. ;-)
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  37. Did it explain that there is no such thing as natural immunity and why such a thing can not exist? :-)
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  38. No, you will simply see a new variant.
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  39. The virus doesn't care what you are afraid of or not. It simply takes you and makes you its reproductive organs. I wonder how you would feel if a man would do exactly the same without asking. No offence, but the biological function is exactly the same.
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  40. You think the virus is watching these videos on the internet? :-)
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  41. In epidemiology 101 they teach that there is no "natural immunity". They even teach that in middle school. :-)
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  42.  @heynow01  Not really, but they taught me how to know a bullshitter when I see one. I am looking at you, kid. ;-)
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  43.  @heynow01  I wasn't confronted with facts. You want to know a fact? Eight of my own relatives had COVID for the second time and two others had it three times already. That fact rules out the "natural immunity" hypothesis completely. :-)
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  44. I discovered that eight of my relatives had COVID-19 twice and one couple had it three times. I also discovered that none of the family members who got vaccinated with Moderna and Pfizer got it even once. :-)
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  45.  @FleetingDream755  The difference is that you made those 20 people up, while I know everybody in my family personally. :-)
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  46.  @FleetingDream755  Yes, I also presume that Paul was lying when he wrote that 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus but then failed to tell us who they are. Why wouldn't I? Did you see Jesus walking around today? I didn't. :-)
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  47.  @FleetingDream755  I am simply saying that I know ten people personally who completely invalidate the hypothesis that COVID-19 infection immunizes against future COVID-19 infections. You are a bit slow, aren't you? :-)
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  48. And god will give it to them the second time around next Christmas. And then a year later for the third time. God is great and gives with both hands, sometimes with three. And if you believe in Shiva, then you can get your fill from four. Ganesha gives with six and Durga with eight to ten. ;-)
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  49.  @harrymoody3021  Well, thank you for responding with bullshit. Once the vaccination rate is high enough to reduce R_0 to less than 1.0, the disease dies out. That's the reason why everybody has to be vaccinated, to prevent the disease from establishing itself in an unvaccinated subpopulation. This is epidemiology 101. Fail. ;-)
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  50. Also false, in this case. ;-)
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  51. Sounds good. Would you say this personally to the relatives of the 2000 people in the US who are dying every day from omicron? ;-)
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  52. The problem is that "infection generates natural immunity" is not even true.
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  53. All it means is that Dr. John Campbell had a really bad day and he needs to think harder about the meaning of the data. :-) Just in case you want hard data: eight people in my family had COVID-19 twice and two had it three times, already. That is what the reality of it looks like. There is no reliable "natural immunity".
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  54. We have evidence that it is at least 0.5%. That was for the original virus. If it mutates into an organism resembling SARS, then it's going to be much worse.
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  55.  @walterparks1872  We didn't know about the virus in 2019, kid. Somebody needs to teach you how to use the calendar. ;-)
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  56.  @walterparks1872  Then he needs a lesson in calendar science himself. ;-)
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  57. There is no such thing as "natural immunity". That's just wishful thinking. We know that antibody count keeps going down both after vaccination and natural infection. The difference is that those who are vaccinated are less likely to become vectors. Those who are getting infected with the virus are vectors by definition.
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  58. Sounds good. They are not making any money with it where my relatives like, either... and eight of them had COVID-19 for the second time and two others had it three times now. :-)
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  59. We can and the smart people will. It's the abundance of fools out there that are causing the problem.
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  60.  @sms4hou676  You weren't fine when you got COVID. You were a vector who was giving it to others. You hung out with sick people? See, there is no end to it because you all are acting with the stupidity of beans straw. And did all your "boosted" friends and families have huge Christmas and New Year gatherings by any chance? See who is the problem? :-)
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  61. My eight antivaxxer family members have a different story to tell. They already caught the virus for a second time. So much for "natural immunity". :-)
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  62. Especially for a person who taught nurses to vaccinate against flu once a year. ;-)
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  63. It's also not true, so there's that.
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  64. That's cool, Dude. Unless you get boosted every six to twelve months you will have COVID-19 again within a year or two tops. The disease mutates and your immune system response weakens. Have fun with it and when the virus starts multiplying in your body, just show it your certificate. I bet it will be very impressed... you know... because it was so hard to get one. :-)
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  65. You could do it the way my antivaxxer relatives are coping with it... they have been ill for the second time in a year and a half. Regular organic refreshers of COVID-19 infections provide natural immunity for a good year to a year and a half. That's about as good as the flu without flu shots. What can go wrong, right?
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  66. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice and two who hard it three times. Previous infection does not give immunity. Period.
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  67.  @spacemanonearth  You never got any immunity from infection with flu and the common cold, either. People are just too dumb to remember. Cheers. :-)
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  68. I know somebody who has it for a year and a half now. He went from a dude who could ride his bike for 100km to somebody who can get barely up in the morning. Fun stuff!
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  69. Do you need attention?
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  70. It's a disease of the unvaccinated. We want nature to take its course. Maybe it will increase the average intelligence of the population, after all, even if we have to wait a bit for it. ;-)
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  71. So what you are basically saying is that you are an irresponsible fella who should not be allowed anywhere near patients. OK. So what? So absolutely nothing.
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  72.  @emilw82  You don't give a frell about suppressing the disease in the general population. You are just the average internet troll who feels sorry for himself. End of story. :-)
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  73.  @emilw82  Well, you are getting my attention, aren't you? :-)
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  74.  @emilw82  But you do. No emotionally mature adult will knowingly expose other people to a potentially deadly diseases. That's something only very childish personalities do. The antivaxxers in my family, for instance, are all from the high drama branch of the family. Lots of divorce and poor decision making in general. None of the educated, socially successful family members had COVID even once. They had it twice, already. You are just like those folks. In any case, enjoy my attention. ;-)
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  75.  @emilw82  Yes, and I have eight antivaxxer relatives who had COVID-19 twice now. I win. ;-)
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  76. You should talk to the relatives of the millions of people who died from COVID-19. I am sure they would find your words very uplifting. Just be prepared to run fast in case some do not.
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  77. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  78. Good for you. Now all you have to do is to wait for the cardiovascular symptoms ten years from now. ;-)
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  79.  @GravemindHD  There have been plenty of reports that people who had COVID-19 are showing greater likelihood of cardiovascular disease. You are welcome to research this yourself. Or you can believe that COVID-19 makes you healthier than before. It's a free country. All religion goes. ;-)
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  80.  @GravemindHD  Will I? I am fully vaccinated and boosted, I am wearing high quality masks and I don't go close to people. You don't get diseases just from looking at people across the room, you know. The disease relies on you to do shit. And you did. It only takes one time. :-) And did you notice how the Chinese eradicated it in twelve weeks by locking people in? Social distancing works... (collective) you are just not intelligent enough to use it right. :-)
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  81. That's cool, kid, but dirty dishes are not the source of COVID-19 infections. People are. :-) My antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 for the first time around mid-2019 and they had it again a couple of months ago. This shows you that "natural immunity" may last 18 months or so, so if you aren't vaccinated and boosted, your chances of getting it again are growing exponentially, right now. Just give it time.
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  82. But an internet troll have value? ;-)
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  83. Like: Why do we not vaccinate absolutely everyone? Jab or jail?
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  84.  @scottallen5269  That's even worse.
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  85.  @scottallen5269  Undecided? I am always deciding to follow the facts. It's the winning strategy. ;-)
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  86.  @scottallen5269  Eight of my relatives had natural immunity twice now and one couple had it three times. The more often you get it, the better. ;-)
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  87.  @scottallen5269  Nah, just go and get the Rona. The more often the better. Some people can't learn any other way than by experience. Maybe a week on the ventilator will teach a lesson. ;-)
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  88. Yes, that was a lot of bullshit. :-)
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  89. Why did you break your keyboard?
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  90. Sorry to inform you, but paranoia is not normal. You may be a nice person, but your trust issues put you far outside of the well functioning part of the population.
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  91. So how comes eight relatives of mine had COVID-19 for the second time. Another two had it for the third time now. Shouldn't they all have been immune? :-)
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  92.  @eliashood9468  The eight who had it twice are anti-vaxxers. They acquired perfect natural immunity in mid-2020, before vaccines even became available... and then it turned out that there is no such thing as natural immunity. The other two were vaccinated with sinovac, which is a nearly useless vaccine. :-)
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  93. Evolution, baby. It's a wonderful thing. It tries to kill you, but that's how it makes your kind stronger. Too bad that you might not be around to see it. ;-)
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  94. You can vaccinate with a syringe or by inhaling deeply. It's both good. Just don't complain about going on the ventilator later if you have decided to use the inhaling method. :-)
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  95. You are already alien to me. I do not detect a shred of humanity.
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  96. Ma! There is another kid who thinks that the virus watches mainstream media. ;-)
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  97.  @jamierenaut  If you don't want to be treated like a kid, don't make childish comments. The virus does exactly one thing: it repurposes you as its reproductive organ. That's it. What you think about politics or on the question what New York Cheese Cake should taste like doesn't matter. :-)
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  98. You should talk to my eight antivaxxer relatives who all had COVID-19 twice now. I, on the other hand, am vaccinated and boosted and didn't even have it once. A lot of what you are reading on the internet is total bullshit. :-)
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  99. If you are treating COVID-19 as if you are immune, then I can guarantee that COVID-19 will treat you as if you are not. :-)
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  100. Natural immunity worked really well for my antivaxxer relatives. They only had COVID twice, so far. ;-)
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  101. So you got lucky. You know what they say about luck? It always runs out.
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  102.  @peterichard3925  I am buying ten thousand gallons, right now. :-)
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  103. No antibodies, no effective immunity. It doesn't matter that your body remembers how to make antibodies. By the time it has made them, the virus is already done with its part and you have become a vector.
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  104. You are right. My antivaxxer relatives have had excellent experience with natural immunity. So far they only had it twice and they don't expect to get it more than once more in 2022. :-)
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  105. We need a measles vaccine against COVID because we don't have COVID vaccines? What? :-)
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  106.  @mikegipson1224  Yes, the measles vaccines really worked. That's why everybody who had them still got COVID. ;-)
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  107. He brought you the data that you wanted to hear. Meanwhile... eight of my relatives had COVID-19 the second time and two had it three times. It's pretty obvious that COVID-19 infection is no more immunizing than flu infection prevents the flu in the future.
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  108. Yes, we did explain to all of you in middle school how vaccines work. In hindsight it's obvious that it didn't sink in.
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  109. What idiot takes advice about immunology from a heart surgeon? That's like asking your plumber how to fix your roof. :-)
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  110.  @leonscholtz1010  Please do not threaten me with your invisible friend. Thank you.
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  111.  @leonscholtz1010  You are still threatening me with your invisible friend, kid. I would be more afraid if you actually had a big brother. :-)
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  112.  @leonscholtz1010  What do I miss? Making a fool of myself? ;-)
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  113.  @leonscholtz1010  Yes, you made a fool of yourself on the internet plenty. ;-)
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  114. The same as before. You can be a smart kid and not get COVID-19 or you can be a stupid kid and then you will get it again and again and again. Absolutely nothing has changed.
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  115. You are a threat to humanity every day because you are simply not intelligent enough to understand how diseases work. The alternative to that statement would be that you do understand, but of course then you are deeply dishonest and you are out to willingly endanger other people's lives. Either way a rational society would lock you up. We are, unfortunately, not a rational society.
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  116. Yes, you can acquire natural immunity because a guy on the internet says so. How old are you? ;-)
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  117. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  118. That's what your first grade teacher said about you, already. ;-)
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  119.  @AncientYouth64  That's the nicest compliment I got all day!
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  120. Not really. We didn't have immunity to the flu or the common cold or other covid viruses before. To think that this one is different amounts to magical thinking and it is not borne out by the facts. Certainly half my family already had it for the second and the third time now.
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  121.  @freedombug11  Yes, I did. If you don't know what the difference is between my folks getting it twice in 18 months (rapidly declining antibody count and viral evolution) and three times (the same plus the fact the she works with pre-school children, i.e. without any effective social distancing), then any data is lost on you. Of course infection is great for the initial two months for the same virus. The problem is that a year from now your antibody count will be low and the virus will have mutated... which is exactly the reason why you were always getting the flu and the common cold again and again and again. Please, folks, you need to think about these things.
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  122.  @louie1  The other half of my family never had COVID. They were socially distancing and got the vaccines and are still socially distancing. COVID is now basically a disease of the stupid and filthy.
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  123.  @freedombug11  I am commenting about ten cases that I know personally that show that there is no such thing as long lasting natural immunity. When was there ever long lasting immunity against the flu or the common cold???? People are buying into religious interpretations of very fresh data here. Yes, my relatives didn't get re-infected after two months, either. There were up to eighteen months, or so, between the first and the last infections. So do you have great immunity for two months? Absolutely. After a year? Not so much. Not with the vaccines and not with a primary infection by the virus. And THAT is the problem.
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  124.  @freedombug11  Dude, not to take a vaccine that offers excellent protection is plain stupid. There is no other way to say this, OK? Why did I say filthy? Because you don't get a disease by looking at an infected person on the internet. You have to be close and that is a choice. Social distancing works. The Chinese have proven that one can eradicate the disease with social distancing in twelve weeks. I bet it can be done in four to six, as long as everybody is willing to stay 20 feet away from everybody else. Yes, it is that simple. Would you like an STD with that? Can you guess how that works? Not by looking, kid. :-)
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  125.  @freedombug11  My relatives wouldn't know anything about that "better immunity" thing, my friend. They were sick two and three times now. So maybe all of this is true in your universe, it's certainly not true in theirs and mine. I am vaccinated and boosted and I didn't get sick even once. Neither did any of the other people I know who did the same, less one. Guess what he is? A medical doctor. He got it at work from a patient. Yes, I am pejorative because the problem here are NOT the people who are vaccinated and who socially distance. It's the people who are doing nether. Dumb and filthy is a pejorative way of saying just that. It's by design because that is how I think about people who can't learn, nay, who do not want to learn. As an educated person who has gone out of his way to protect myself and others I had it with the dumb and filthy. Excuse my language.
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  126. Truth to be told, folks, many of you have become the drowning man in the joke of the same name. The Chinese give you proof that one can eradicate the disease with social distancing alone. You ignore it. The pharmaceutical industry makes vaccines for you that work. You shun them. School boards are trying to implement common sense measures to protect your children in school. You sue them. And then you come here and you are hoping for a miracle of nature. What does that make you, folks? Do I really have to say it?
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  127. No different from the flu shot. What is the problem with that? I have been getting flu shots for fifteen years now and I didn't have the flu even once. If it works the same way for COVID-19, I will be a happy camper. ;-)
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  128. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 for a second time recently. We know who got it first and in what order they infected each other. You need to stop the magical thinking. It doesn't work.
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  129. Now that the entire world seems to be relaxing the mask mandates etc. we will be testing the natural immunity thing for good. My money is on the virus. :-)
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  130. My antivaxxer relatives have been doing field tests on themselves for two years now and they had COVID for the second time a couple months ago. Natural immunity seems to last about a year, maybe a year and a half. Just like with the flu and the common cold, it really works. ;-)
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  131.  @stickman-1  See, now you are catching on to why "natural immunity" does not work for any of these diseases and why we need vaccines that track their evolution. Congrats... every middle school student knows this already after one 45 minute science lesson about how vaccines work. :-)
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  132. What is so important about you that you should be allowed to willfully infect other people with a deadly disease?
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  133.  @everythingmelanin7728  I am fully vaccinated and so is the intelligent half of my family. Not one of us ever got sick. We were not spreading anything. COVID-19 is a disease of the dumb and filthy. :-)
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  134. I don't know of any vaccines available to the public that have not passed testing and approval. Neither do you. :-)
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  135. Eight of my antivaxxer family members caught it for the second time now. They seem to have had approx. 18 months of immunity, maybe a bit less. Two other people in my family got it for the third time. She works with pre-school children and can't distance socially, that's where she keeps picking it up, presumably. He has long COVID to boot. "Natural immunity" seems to work about as well as in case of the flu or the common cold, i.e. not at all.
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  136. Nah, I think you should go with it. My antivaxxer relatives had perfect COVID-19 immunity until a couple of months ago when they got it the second time. Now one couple had it for the third time in 18 months. Natural immunity really works. ;-)
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  137.  @airstrip1836  You are right, eight people had COVID symptoms for two weeks and tested positive multiple times and it was just a mirage. How can it be any other way? ;-)
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  138. Because it never spread beyond countries with effective tracing. We got lucky the first time. The second time we had Trump. ;-)
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  139. Well, I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice now and two who had it three times. Can you tell me a good reason why I should call you a genius? ;-)
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  140. Common sense research suggests that vaccines work much better than infection. My family certainly proves it. All eight anti-vaxxers were sick for a second time a couple months ago but the vaccinated folks didn't have it even once, with exception of one couple (she works with pre-school children and brings it home to him, and he is already suffering from long COVID-19 symptoms, which indicates that he probably has a very poor immune response, to begin with).
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  141. You are correct. We all had natural immunity against the flu and the common cold. Oh... wait... ;-)
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  142. What you are really saying is that you are not smart enough to understand the deep flaws in his presentation.
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  143. In a democracy voters get the politicians that they elect. In a pandemic the virus infects the people that it elects. It's almost poetic, isn't it? ;-)
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  144. You don't say? :-)
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  145.  @daisyhobbs7500  OK, Boomer. :-)
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  146. I have two relatives who had COVID-19 three times now. Once a pre-alpha, once a delta and now an omicron infection. All this talk about natural immunity is complete bullshit.
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  147. Unless they are all vaccinated, they are antivaxxers. Are they all vaccinated? :-)
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  148. Can you tell me where I can get on? I am boosted and there is no new vaccine approved as a fourth shot. I couldn't get one, even if I wanted to. :-)
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  149. Natural immunity totally didn't work for my eight antivaxxer relatives. They got infected for a second time a couple of month's ago. If we take the time since the first infection in mid 2020, then they had, at most, immunity for 18 months, probably less than that. Severity of their symptoms and length of the disease don't seem to have been significantly better, either. In essence... they are suffering for naught and they have been infecting innocent people, too. One of them is a less than one year old baby. What in the world is that good for? Are you trying to kill your own children?
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  150.  @annecy9280  But then you can't. These eight people are known to me personally, I know where they got it and how it spread across the entire group and how easy it would have been for all of them to stay healthy. All you have is some general handwaving. I win. :-)
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  151.  @annecy9280  No, kid, you can't. Your story to me is just a story, no different from the resurrection of Christ, but I have known my relatives for over 50 years. They were always full of shit and still are. No different from you. :-)
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  152.  @annecy9280  Unlike you I know where sin is defined in the bible, kid. Catholics know these things. ;-)
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  153.  @annecy9280  No, you don't. :-)
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  154. 50 cents? :-)
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  155.  @drjohnny8237  Yeah, that's just the crazy person talking now, kid. ;-)
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  156. So you threw away your crutches and yelled out "Thank you Jesus! I can see again!". ;-)
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  157. So why did I get the flu every year until I started getting flu shots? :-)
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  158. And there is the god troll.
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  159. Is a billion times enough or do you need more data? ;-)
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  160.  @jaynej9924  I am sure you also can't find any evidence that we ever went to the moon. :-)
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  161.  @jaynej9924  Did you find evidence for a spherical Earth, yet? :-)
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  162. Did you know that the Earth is flat? I just learned that on the internet. Amazing!
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  163. Well, my naturally immune anti-vaxxer relatives had it twice now. Natural immunity really works. In your dreams. In the real world, not so much.
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  164. That's cool. COVID will give you a medical exemption over and over again. ;-)
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  165. The evidence only shows that you may get immunity to the last strain you were infected with for a short amount of time. After that it's open season on humans for the next strain. ;-)
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  166. If you become a vector, then it didn't protect you. It supported the virus which made you into its reproductive organ.
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  167. Of people who have acquired natural immunity several times over? Yes, it's growing every day. So is the graveyard, of course. ;-)
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  168. Hello kid who needs attention. Let me be your surrogate Mom for today. ;-)
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  169. You should check all the data, not just selected data that he is giving you. Wait... that takes real work, doesn't it? ;-)
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  170. Because vaccinated people do have plenty of antibodies. That's what vaccines do, they give people the necessary antibodies to detect and fight the infection early. :-)
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  171.  @susansibley8093  None of the people in my family who had Pfizer, Moderna and a booster had COVID-19 even once. The eight antivaxxers in my family had it twice now. A couple who had sinovac had it three times. I would consider the Chinese and Russian vaccines as useless, indeed. If you look at the overall statistics, vaccinated and boosted people are far less likely to become vectors, they are far less likely to be hospitalized and they die way less often. Vaccines work great. At this point COVID-19 is a disease of the filthy unvaccinated folks. :-)
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  172.  @neecynew58  I had the flu every year until I started with the flu shots. I didn't have the flu in fifteen years since. Flu shots work. I had Moderna and the booster and I didn't get COVID-19 even once. It works. My eight antivaxxer relatives had COVID-19 twice now. Another couple I know had it three times. So much for "natural immunity". It didn't work for the flu, it doesn't work for COVID-19. End of story.
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  173. No shit! :-)
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  174.  @chrysas.5622  Don't worry, you will find a way to infect yourself a second and a third time at the beach, too. Freedom! ;-)
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  175. Why don't you take some zinc with that? ;-)
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  176. Eight of my relatives have acquired natural immunity for the second time and one couple got if for the third time. Let's hope you won't meet Mr. Venitlator the next time you will acquire natural immunity again. ;-)
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  177. Eight relatives of mine got natural immunity twice now and two more got it a third time. They are all looking forward to acquiring natural immunity over and over, again. No vaccines required. ;-)
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  178. Natural immunity worked great for my relatives. Eight of them had it twice now and two had it three times. :-)
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  179.  @Nahash5150  Worked wonders for the Chinese. They eradicated the virus in Wuhan in 12 weeks by doing just that. Look... pandemics have one thing in common: they are way worse among the people who have "I am stupid" written all over their foreheads. :-)
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  180. So you are living the religion of Bill Gates as your prophet? ;-)
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  181.  @binnsconnard8559  Nobody gives a frell. Either about what you like or about what Bill Gates says or doesn't. I had dealings with foundations in the past, including with his. What you encounter is a bunch of usually incompetent people who would not be hired into successful corporations. Just forget about him and move on.
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  182. Then you would have two people who are naively wrong about COVID-19 talking to each other. What's that good for?
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  183. Hey, kid! I am here to give you attention! ;-)
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  184. Many of you also believe in a multitude of gods, none of which have ever been seen. Belief is not a good argument for anything.
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  185.  @lightandsalt80  None of the people in my family who are vaccinated, boosted and follow proper social distancing had it even once. Covid is a disease of the stupid and filthy now. :-)
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  186. That makes one of you and ten of my relatives who had it two and three times.
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  187. You might want to show me the medical data for that claim with regards to the flu and the common cold. ;-)
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  188. No. Two of my relatives had sinovac and they both got COVID-19 three times. :-)
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  189. Yes, because we didn't vaccinate the entire world against smallpox. Oh, wait... we did. ;-)
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  190.  @chippe999  Oh, wait... you got that completely wrong and I called you out and now you are feeling sorry for yourself. ;-)
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  191. What did he know? That he would be so tired of COVID that he would start telling lies two years later? I don't think he knew that back then, yet.
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  192. Why do you hate Fauci so much? He has told you the truth. Oh, wait... it's not Fauci you hate, it's the truth. Now we are getting somewhere. :-)
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  193. Soon you will tell us that you went for natural immunity twice and some time after that it will be for the third time. :-)
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  194. Yes, I am sure the virus pays the media, kid. ;-)
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  195. My antivaxxer relatives followed your advice for the second time now. All eight of them. Another couple that I know did even better and had it a third time in a row. I think they are trying to set a record. He even has long COVID for extra points! ;-)
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  196. Worked for China just fine. :-)
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  197. Almost a million by now.
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  198. Yes, there is a lot of fake news on the internet. There is also the rumor that a guy was resurrected 2000 years ago. That one is also not true. ;-)
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  199. Worked wonderfully for my relatives. They had it for the second and the third time now. :-)
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  200. That we don't care about antibodies is simply not true. This is a fast multiplying virus. A high antibody titer means a fast response to an infection, which means a low peak of viral particle count before the immune system can limit the disease. Without those antibodies the B- and T-cell response takes considerably longer, which leads to a much higher viral particle concentration, which makes the person both more infectious and more sick. There is so much false information about the biology of this out there that we might as well talk about the birth of a new religion. People are looking for a new resurrection here. There is none. Hospitalized patients are still dying in large numbers and that won't stop with the end of this wave, either. It will continue periodically as the antibody counts in people decrease after vaccination and/or infection. We can either actively eliminate this disease completely or it will be with us for a long time. Why people don't get this is very hard to understand. We all had the flu and the common cold regularly in the past, didn't we? What is, supposedly, the biological difference here? I mean, other than that this is a much more deadly disease?
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  201. Essentially that is what he is saying, yes. Worst advice ever.
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  202. Also... millions of people are dying trying. :-)
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  203. Everywhere? Not really. I didn't have it and my vaccinated relatives didn't have it, either. The others had COVID twice and three times. The couple that had it three times is especially vulnerable. She works with kids in kindergarten and preschool. That's why it's really important that we send the kids back to school again if we really want to infect absolutely every adult.
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  204. Of course it does. Why would it go away? We have not developed herd immunity against either the common cold or the flu. :-)
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  205.  @treetababy  Ma! The local conspiracy theorist is here! :-)
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  206.  @treetababy  Dude, stop lying about your education. It's getting old. :-)
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  207.  @treetababy  Ma! Now the troll feels sorry for himself! :-)
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  208. That's how natural immunity works: the virus mutates so that you can acquire it over and over and over, again. ;-)
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  209. So how comes my antivaxxer relatives had it twice, already, but nobody in the family who got vaccinated with Moderna and Pfizer got it even once? You aren't making any sense here. ;-)
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  210.  @Joseph_Dredd So you are basically telling me that people who are completely asymptomatic and who didn't infect anybody either had to have the disease so that your argument doesn't fall apart? Sure, why not. I file that under "trolling" and move on. :-)
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  211.  @AquarianThoth  Yes, and they both became vectors who infected other people while they were sick. Dude, this is not just about you and your Mom and your roommate. When did people forget that they are not the only person on this planet?
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  212.  @AquarianThoth  Well, I am giving you attention, anyway, something which your Mom didn't. ;-)
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  213.  @AquarianThoth  You were asking for attention, so I am giving it to you. :-)
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  214.  @AquarianThoth  Yes, I already got it that you don't care about anybody but yourself. :-)
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  215. I have had great natural immunity against the flu for 15 years. It kicked in in the same year that I began getting flu shots. Imagine the coincidence! ;-)
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  216. Yes, thanks to sinovac two of my relatives had COVID-19 for the third time. ;-)
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  217. If small exposures were effective at building immunity, then the disease could not spread in the first place and we could also make vaccines with minimal side effects and minimal antibody titer after vaccinations. We have a century of experience with making and testing vaccines. To the best of my knowledge vaccine micro-dosing is not an accepted pharmacological strategy. You are welcome to give us examples of practically used vaccines that rely on such a strategy.
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  218. Because you say so? Dude, the only reason why you are here is because nobody listens to you in the real world. ;-)
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  219.  @dinoturnbul  I already did, kid. You don't have to worry about that. :-)
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  220. Where did you see critical assessment here, exactly? He simply misinterpreted data.
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  221.  @D7cooper  In the fact that eight of my relatives had COVID-19 for the second time and two others had it for the third time, already.
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  222. Hey! That's exactly what my eight antivaxxer relatives said... until they all became violently ill with COVID-19 for a second time. ;-)
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  223. Religious beliefs are not a strategy against infectious diseases. Sewers and vaccines are.
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  224. Yes, that's why there was no flu and no common cold around every year. We were all immune. Just not in this universe. It must be nice living in yours. :-)
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  225.  @kosdas  Yes, that's why I kept getting the flu every year... until I got flu shots. Since then I didn't have it even once. It's called "evolution", kid, and it may get you a Darwin Award if you aren't respecting it. :-)
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  226.  @kosdas  Bwaahhhhaahaha... so you argument is that you can rename the disease and then nobody dies? It's obvious that you didn't get enough attention from your Mom, kid. :-)
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  227.  @metalpuppet5798  Dude, you are talking to a 100% attention troll here. That much is clear. :-)
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  228.  @metalpuppet5798  No apology needed. You are doing the right thing.
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  229.  @AquarianThoth  So what happened thirteen years ago when you lost your mind about vaccines? :-)
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  230.  @AquarianThoth  So did flu infections because people didn't get vaccinated. Same thing will happen with COVID. :-)
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  231.  @AquarianThoth  With COVID-19 people die because other people don't give a frell. That's life, too.
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  232.  @AquarianThoth  Are you feeling sorry for yourself now? :-)
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  233.  @AquarianThoth  Not really. It's obvious, though. ;-)
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  234. Yes, it worked wonders for my relatives. The antivaxxers only had it for the second time now and another couple (she works with pre-school children) had it a mere three times. My family has really put natural immunity to the test and they can all say that they are very happy with it... except for the occasional two week periods when they feel sick like never before. ;-)
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  235. Well, if COVID-19 gets hold of you and you are not vaccinated, then you can easily turn into a cabbage on a respirator and later you become cabbage food. I mean, why not... feeding the plants is not such a bad ending, right? ;-)
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  236. Certainly not more than six to eighteen months. Family member of mine had COVID twice and even three times in an 18 month time span, already.
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  237.  @geeman4399  They certainly didn't say that they felt better the second time around. They were all pretty sick for up to two weeks the way I was told. The first time around they got infected in mid 2020, so that was probably a pre-alpha variant. Now they most likely got the omicron variant. My hypothesis is that if ones immune repertoire can't deal well with one variant, then it's unlikely to do much better with another one. Like I said, they are all close family members, too (great-grandma to a less than one year old) so it's also likely that they have strong genetic correlations in their immune systems. That is another reason to be skeptical about "natural immunity". There is most likely a pool of people in every population and for every such disease that serves as a source for re-infection of the entire population.
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  238.  @geeman4399  Those of us who live in free societies can take our chances. A few years ago there was a couple in Yosemite, I believe, who was taking selfies on a famous cliff. There was a sign that said not to go close to the edge. They were free and took their chances. A few seconds later they were dead at the bottom. :-)
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  239. Let's repeat this for those people who didn't pay attention in middle school when we explained vaccines: The main reason for vaccination is to stop the disease from spreading in the first place. The primary protection of a vaccine is the fact that there is no more disease left in a 100% vaccinated population. "Natural immunity" can never achieve this. In a "naturally immune" population (which in practice means that people are constantly getting infected and dying), the disease will simply co-exist in an equilibrium with its host population.
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  240. See my post above. When did we ever develop natural immunity to the flu, by the way, or the common cold? How about measles and a host of other childhood diseases that we are vaccinating against? Ever heard of natural immunity against shingles? How about herpes?
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  241.  @themittonmethod1243  I just had my shingles booster vaccine. Are you living in the stone age, or what? :-)
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  242. The are getting sick all the time and they are spreading it to everybody else. :-)
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  243.  @gordy3714  Two of my relatives had it for the third time now... so that's that. Natural immunity? Not a concept with COVID-19.
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  244.  @sara_sofia_1984  In other words, you are not a biochemist. :-)
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  245. But then it lasts between six and eighteen months. What's there not to like?
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  246. So now all you have to do is to wait for the next infections and the first symptoms of heart disease at age 40. You did really well! ;-)
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  247. And then you got the flu, over and over and over, again. :-)
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  248.  @jamierenaut  I haven't contracted the flu for fifteen years, either. That's because I have been getting flu shots for the past fifteen years. I also didn't get COVID-19 because I am fully vaccinated and boosted. Unlike you I don't like to play Russian Roulette with microbes. :-)
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  249.  @jamierenaut  That vaccination doesn't prevent people from becoming vectors is just utter bullshit. :-) Reality doesn't care what you trust or don't. This ain't religion.
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  250. It's not a matter of what you believe and never has been. This is a matter of facts.
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  251. In the US 2000 people are closing their eyes forever daily. ;-)
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  252.  @chicomaki7327  I believe the American Indians used to call it "Idiots riding horse backwards". :-)
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  253. Yes, there is a brand new disease every week and one of these days it will behave like you want it to. That was an example of sarcasm. ;-)
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  254. Yes, and Jesus rose from the dead. Religion is religion.
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  255. Care to show me where they are recommending that? ;-)
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  256. The evidence in my family shows the exact opposite. Those who had Pfizer and Moderna vaccines haven't even been sick once and those who don't have been sick two and three times. ;-)
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  257.  @Joseph_Dredd  Actually, if your hypothesis is that COVID-19 infection protects from re-infection, then a single counter-example is all it takes to invalidate. That's because you are formulating a very strong hypothesis which simply isn't true. :-) I don't see any statistical evidence for long term protection, either. Does infection protect you for half a year? Sure it does. It always did that for the flu, too. The problem is that once that half year is up, the virus has mutated and your antibody count is back in the woods. End of effective protection.
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  258. He keeps projecting his own hopes on the data, which is a sign of stress and burnout.
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  259.  @miketomlin6040  Could be. All I know is that he is very hit and miss. More so lately, I believe, than in the past.
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  260.  @TheSeafordian  Shinglish?
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  261. That is exactly what vaccines are stopping. You need to pay attention to facts.
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  262. Maybe honest, but also wrong.
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  263. It also keeps killing 2000 Americans a day. The FDA would never approve a vaccine that does that. :-)
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  264.  @peanutdust1053  Look, Ma! There is another person on the internet who doesn't like to hear the truth! ;-)
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  265. The virus is also not on the payroll of big pharma. When push comes to shove I prefer listening to what the virus has to say. :-)
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  266. Are you saying the Australians have joined the sane half of humanity? :-)
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  267. You found out about COVID-19 in 2019? It wasn't identified as a serious disease until 2020. John, please stop bullshitting. :-)
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  268. Your post is very helpful to the 2000 Americans who are still dying daily and their families.
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  269. My antivaxxer relatives had it twice now, another couple in my family had it three times. What do you think? Can you get it again? Of course you can. You used to get the flu all the time and the common cold, too, didn't you? Why is this even a question?
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  270.  @steve1711  I was also told somewhere on the internet that Santa brings the presents for up to 15% of all children. Or was that for all children? ;-)
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  271.  @steve1711  I got that thing about Santa from Santa directly. He works during the holidays at the local mall. It's $22 for a set of three pictures. ;-)
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  272. Two of my relatives had COVID for the third time now. So much for the "natural immunity" "bullshit.
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  273.  @metalpuppet5798  They had COVID early on, then got vaccinated and had COVID twice since. Immunity doesn't last and in people who don't have a good immune repertoire it probably won't last long at all. We are 20 months into the infection, so that's six months between infections... totally compatible with the biology of the disease. People need to stop believing in magic here. There is no magic with flu or the common cold or measles or herpes or any number of other diseases. That's the entire story, really.
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  274. Well, based on my personal family experience, natural immunity is a mirage. Eight people in my family had COVID-19 twice now and two had it three times, already. The good doctor simply looks at immunity at a couple of months and extrapolates that out to infinity. That is not how these things work.
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  275. You probably don't know that eight of my relatives had COVID for the second time and two more had it three times, thus completely invalidating the natural immunity hypothesis. :-)
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  276. 97% of all COVID deaths are unvaccinated, so it's a pretty good life insurance policy. ;-)
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  277.  @trentinoanonimot1098 Two of my relatives had COVID for the third time now. The antivaxxer branch had it twice and they have infected a baby with it. You had it twice. What are you saying? That this thing is going away on its own? You are quite the jokester, aren't you? :-)
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  278.  @wizardatmath  So that's one of you against ten people in my family. You lose. :-)
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  279. The data from South Africa indicates that the omicron wave didn't end in an extinction of the virus. The infections seem to slowly converge on a high floor, which will inevitably result in a new wave of infections as the vaccine and infection induced short term immunity vanes. We have reached the stage where COVID-19 may behave seasonally like other infectious diseases, but with ten times the death toll.
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  280. There is no such thing as "natural immunity". That's just another level of bullshit that is multiplying like a virus on the internet.
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  281. Yes, it is, especially since you aren't even getting any "natural immunity". At best you get a comparable level of short term protection that you can also get from much less harmful vaccines.
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  282. So you are not worried when people around you are dying? You are one cool cucumber, Joy. :-)
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  283. So you can't tell what's wrong with his argument? That's probably a side effect of you not finishing school. ;-)
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  284. Can you tell me why a woman wants to become the reproductive organs of a microorganism? If a man tried to force reproduction on you like the virus does, we would call it a crime. But you don't seem to have problems when another species does the same. Don't you think that's strange?
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  285. True, natural infection worked really well for half my family. Eight of them had it twice and infected a baby along the way, another couple had it three times. I guess if you don't mind getting it at least once a year, natural immunity (or the absence thereof) will do.
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  286. Yes, you can always willfully misinterpret data and you will always find an audience on the internet when you do. :-)
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  287. Did you pull that bullshit out of your own rear? :-)
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  288. COVID is also a socio-economic disease. Everybody in my family who had it is either dumb, poor or both. None of the intelligent family members with jobs that can be done from home had it even once. Outside of my family, among all the people that I know personally, the same rule holds with one exception. Guess what that exception is? A medical doctor who was treating COVID-19 patients. He got it at work. QED.
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  289. Yes, that worked out really well for the millions of dead people that we didn't protect, didn't it?
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  290. Yes, that is exactly why my antivaxxer relatives had COVID for the second time in 18 months and another couple I know had it for the third. ;-)
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  291. Only the parents who love their kids are. The other parents don't.
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  292.  @Tubemanjac  Yes, in this case it's killing grandma and grandpa, teachers etc.. :-)
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  293.  @ronz878  The benefit is by eliminating vectors, kid. You need to go back to middle school where we tried to teach you what vaccines do. They are not primarily used to protect the individual but they disrupt the exponential spread of the disease.
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  294. I can tell that your world is not just flat, it's also black and white. ;-)
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  295. Far less likely.
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  296. They can be made and have been made. The Russians and the Chinese did and they ended up with really poorly working vaccines. In countries where these vaccines have been used the majority of the population rejected them and people were trying to get their hands on Moderna and Pfizer, instead.
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  297.  @jfo18  That is fake news. Of course China is doing better. It did really well in Wuhan without any vaccines. That's because we don't need vaccines to beat COVID. It can be done with social distancing alone, all you need is a police state of the Chinese kind to enforce it. In Eastern European countries that were using the Chinese vaccine the numbers are horrible.
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  298. So, tell me, where was this 60 year old natural immunity knowledge in case of the flu and the common cold? And why is your keyboard breaking suddenly? ;-)
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  299. That matches the experience of my relatives. Eight of them had COVID-19 twice and one couple had it three times in an 18 month period. This indicates that immunity does not last longer than approx. 6 months, even in this tiny sample. In larger samples we are very likely to find much more rapid reinfections.
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  300. You can talk to almost a million dead people in the US about that. I am sure they will be very impressed by you.
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  301. My antivaxxer relatives disagreed with Pfizer and they have now acquired natural immunity twice. The side effects of the natural vaccine were mild and only lasted two weeks each time, during which they said that the natural vaccination was the worst experience of their lives. They also gave the natural vaccine to a less than one year old infant. ;-)
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  302. Based on the experience of my eight relatives who had COVID-19 twice and the two who had it three times, neither strain presents any protection against omicron. And why would they?
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  303. It doesn't matter that you had the infection before. I have eight relatives who had COVID-19 for the second time and two who had it three times, already. Just because you had the flu before doesn't mean you won't get it again, either. Same here. But unlike the flu this disease kills at least one in 200 people, potentially much more than that.
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  304.  @dwightcarlson7136  The fully vaccinated get it less frequently and they die waaaay less frequently. Dude, let's stick to the facts. Conspiracy theories don't protect from a microorganism that uses you as its reproductive system.
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  305.  @dwightcarlson7136  You are. :-)
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  306.  @dwightcarlson7136  See, you are all about conspiracy. :-)
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  307.  @dwightcarlson7136  Yes. :-)
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  308. You don't have any natural immunity. Without the vaccines you will always be one exposure away from being hospitalized, again. Along the way you will be a disease vector who will endanger other people like your husband and relatives. You can ask my folks. The eight antivaxxers in my family had COVID-19 twice now. Another couple had it three times, already. None of the properly vaccinated and boosted people in my family had VOCID-19 even once.
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  309. What has not been addressed? That people are getting COVID-19 over and over, again? Of course it has. :-)
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  310. So how do you explain that eight of my relatives had it for the second time and two had it three times, already? How does that fit into the natural immunity picture? ;-)
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  311. And by "heavy infection" you mean two weeks of vacation on the ventilator? :-)
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