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Comments by "Lepi Doptera" (@lepidoptera9337) on "Single Photon Interference" video.
Visible photons are typically detected with photomultiplier tubes. Less common are bolometers. At higher energy other types of detectors can be used. There are, as far as I know, no reliable direct detection methods below microwave frequencies, one can, however, pull a few tricks from the atomic and nuclear spin spectroscopy repertoire and excite atoms (and their nuclear spins) into semi-stable excited states, which can then absorb a low energy photon (in the range of MHz or potentially even kHz), which transitions them out of the semi-stable state into one that decays rapidly by emitting a visible photon, which can then be detected with a photomultiplier, again. That's a very fun experiment that I did in university once. It's quite amazing how much "gain" a single atom can produce under the right circumstances (on the order of 9 orders of magnitude or more).
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The detector detects a quantum of energy, not a particle. If there is not enough energy in the field, then the detector can not detect anything. However, emission and absorption processes are all quantized, so one can never emit "less" energy than can be detected.
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There aren't, but you weren't paying attention in school. ;-)
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It doesn't. You simply don't understand physics. :-)
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Yes, and it's still as false as on day one. ;-)
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Why not? Interference is the result of the absence of interaction. All it says is that electromagnetic waves are extremely linear phenomena.
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@kennethgee2004 Yes, that things add up in a linear fashion is the absence of interaction. I know that it is counterintuitive, but if you think about that for a little bit, then it will sink in, eventually. Just look at the wave equation. You can see that there are absolutely no mixing products coming out of there. In a self-interacting non-linear field two wave packets with frequencies f1 and f2 will produce mixing products which have the frequencies (f1+f2) and (f1-f2). If electromagnetism were like that, then we would be looking at a totally foggy world with all kinds of weird halo effects wherever two beams pass trough each other. I know what they say about single photons in the double slit experiment, but that's simply total nonsense. Photons only exist in two locations in this experiment: at the light source and at the detector. There are no photons anywhere in the free space between. That's why the double slit is not even a quantum experiment. There is, unfortunately, a long history of Chinse whispers about this experiment that get repeated by pretty much everybody who hasn't spent any time on actually thinking about this.
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@kennethgee2004 Linear is linear, my friend. Think about it some more. As of now you are very confused about what "interaction" means.
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@kennethgee2004 The classical wave intensity is simply the average photon density in this case. Photons are energy and energy is the square of the amplitude. Amplitudes add up in a linear fashion, but energy is zero at all times in those minima. There is simply no field at all where you can't find a photon. Your ontological problem stems from the fact that you have been schooled to be a physical realist for classical waves, i.e. you think that classical amplitudes actually exist in nature. QFT proves that they don't. They are just as un-real as the wave function is in quantum mechanics.
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@kennethgee2004 You mean you are not a physicist. There is no such thing as negative pressure in sound waves. I know, that sucks. :-)
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@kennethgee2004 There is no such thing as negative pressure. What you are talking about is a linearized sound wave model. Sorry, "physicist", but you are not getting any points for this one.
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@kennethgee2004 There is nothing less than vacuum, kid. You are making a high school physics mistake here. :-)
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@kennethgee2004 So you agree that there is no negative pressure and that you made a mistake. Very good. :-)
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That was not a very good book, then.
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Nope. First of all, interference is a linear effect, which literally means that there are no interactions, whatsoever. One part of the wave passes through another without either of them being changed in the slightest. Curiously, humans are having a great deal of intellectual trouble with the absence of interaction. One can see the same problem in relativity, where it is the absence of a global coordinate system that causes all kinds of interesting (and counter-intuitive) effects.
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Nope.
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Magical waves? And why are you using a wrong definition of photon?
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There is no energy to be found at those places. Energy is conserved and a plane wave with constant energy density turns into maxima with higher and minima with lower energy density.
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Veritasium is now physics trolling. There is no such thing as single photon interference.
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@rysn4566 No, of course not. How are you going to see interference stripes or diffraction patterns if all I give you is a single dot on the screen? You are simply another person who can't tell the difference between one and many. It takes many photons to produce a noticeable diffraction pattern.
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A single photon makes exactly one dot on the screen. How are you seeing an interference pattern in a single dot? Now, do you mean that you don't understand how the ensemble, i.e. an infinite number of independent repetitions of the experiment makes an interference pattern? Why not? Even the classical electromagnetic field is linear, i.e. it does not interact with itself. So why does it bother you that it does not take any interaction between single photon measurements to create a pattern? The pattern is being created by the strong interaction of the field with the geometry of the slits. That is what modulates the photon distribution.
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@ A photon doesn't have a size. It's just a small amount of energy. Energy is not quantized. What is quantized is angular momentum. And, yes, one can demonstrate angular momentum quantization rather easily with e.g. a Stern-Gerlach experiment. Remove it from atomic physics and there is no stable matter. You would simply not exist and you could not ask stupid questions that were all answered in high school science class. :-)
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Yes, actually, "we" do know. A "photon" is an irreversible energy transfer between an electromagnetic field and another physical system. It does not have a shape, a size, a power or a frequency. It has an energy, a momentum and a spin. Those three quantities are necessarily present (and related) because of special relativity. Shape, size, power and frequency are classical properties of electromagnetic waves that are formed by many photons.
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Yes, you don't understand physics. ;-)
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What about it? It shows a slightly different interference pattern that's just as easy to calculate.
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Quanta are energy values. They don't have sizes. You don't need to believe every nonsense that is being published on the internet.
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Sounds good, but why are you completely clueless about physics, then? ;-)
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Photons don't have a path. A photon can only be measured once, while objects with paths require at least two independent measurements.
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Then you were screwed because this was the wrong explanation. ;-)
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False and false. ;-)
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It went into stronger maxima. You were clearly not paying any attention in physics class. ;-)
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@ Photons don't have a path. Photons are small amounts of energy. Energy never had a path, not even in classical physics. It's a system property that gets exchanged between physical systems. That photons are said to have a path is simply the side effect of the unfortunate fact that nobody is paying any attention in science class when the concept of energy is being discussed and then they are not paying any attention, again, when we explain the Copenhagen interpretation. Light is neither a wave nor a particle. Light is the excitation of a quantum field. Wave-particle duality is simply a false dichotomy fallacy. Dirac pointed this out in the 1930s, but, again, nobody was paying any attention in science class, even back then. That still hasn't changed. ;-) If you want to understand what is going in here then you will have to learn to let go of "particles" and "waves" and you have to replace these concepts from classical physics with working concepts in modern physics like "boundary value problem" and "Lie group symmetries".
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A photon is not a wave front. It's a single energy value.
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Light isn't a photon. Light is a quantum field and the quanta of that quantum field are called photons.
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@sedigives I have measured plenty of photons in my life. It's pretty easy, actually. All you need is a photomultiplier tube. :-)
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No. A single photon doesn't have an interference pattern. You need to think about this a little longer than Veritasium has. :-)
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@akashsudhanshu5420 Yes, the pattern that many photons make changes. It just doesn't change in a very interesting way in such an experiment. The average density is predicted by Maxwell's equations. These photons basically just trace out the classical theory and there is no new physics going on here.
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You are easily distracted by the wrong details.
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No. :-)
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And that is why it is not defined as either and hasn't been like eighty years. People are just totally behind their own time in science.
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1969... yeah, there were a lot of people on drugs that year. ;-)
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@ronrice1931 What does that have to do with anything? Copenhagen explains this just fine.
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It doesn't interact like a particle. There are no particles. There are only quanta of energy.
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@ Nobody of importance ever said that energy is quantized. Angular momentum and charges are. Energy and momentum are still subject to perfectly classical transformation laws that are a direct consequence of the Poincare group. Angular momentum is quantized because rotations are periodic. There is no such periodicity for translation symmetry and space-time is not even translation symmetric to begin with, so strictly speaking globally energy-momentum is not even conserved. Locally there is a near translation symmetry and energy-momentum is a useful locally conserved quantity.
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Yes and none of that makes any difference. You simply don't understand physics. ;-)
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