Comments by "Thetequilashooter1" (@Thetequilashooter1) on "THAAD vs S-400 - which is better?" video.
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@tonynemcich1756 Turkey only bought the S-400 instead of the PAC-3 because the US wouldn’t provide technology transfer as part of the deal. Turkey tried unsuccessfully multiple times to get the USA to change its mind. Erdogan also has not gotten along well with the USA, and he wanted to show that it can do as it pleases.
You won’t find any examples of Russian SAMS ever intercepting either ballistic or cruise missiles, not even in tests. Russia has a long history of lying and making fake news, they’re the king when it comes to propaganda. On the other hand, you can find many examples of US missile intercepts. Just search here on YouTube for SM-2, SM-3, SM-6, etc., for missile intercepts, and you can see both ballistic and cruise missiles getting shot down. There’s even amateur footage from several months ago of a Patriot intercepting a missile over Saudi Arabia, and according to them they have been quite successful.
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@anthonybroomfield5162 That’s where you’re wrong. Look at the history of SAMs . Over time the number of aircraft shot down per sortie flown has drastically gone down, and that’s because there are so many ways to defeat them. It’s not just about having stealth, but jamming, spoofing, using decoys, hacking, special ops, stand-off weapons, drones, etc., have all shown to be extremely effective. Look at the war against Serbia. Serbia had a respected integrated air-defense network. It only shot down two aircraft out of tens of thousands of missions. Even those two that were shot down were flukes because they both flew predictable flight paths. It’s not that difficult to shoot down a fighter if you know where and when it will fly over, even if it’s stealth.
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@Ross72A But look at what's happened in Syria and Armenia, the same results where the S-300/400 have been ineffective. The same problem remains with SAMs: they're big, slow on the move, they emit tons of energy, are hindered by the curvature of the earth and other ground clutter, and there are many ways to counter them. Plus, and just like in the past, while SAM battery radars might be able to detect a stealth aircraft at further ranges today, the same problem remains that the tiny missile seeker head will have trouble tracking and locking onto it. You also need to keep in mind that along with stealth aircraft in the air, there will also be decoys, 4th gen aircraft, drones, jamming, etc., making it very hard to single out a stealth fighter to target.
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@ganeshkumar-gt9wx You’re not saying facts, just information that you learned from fake news that supports Russia. The real facts are SAMs aren’t as effective as they used to be. There are now so many ways to defeat them. Jamming, spoofing, using decoys, drones, stand-off weapons, hacking, stealth, special ops, etc. are all effective in countering them. It’s why aircraft aren’t shot down nearly as often as they used to be. For instance, Serbia had a well respected air defense network, but it was easily defeated because for the most part the Serbs were afraid to activate their radars knowing very well they’d be quickly targeted. Out of tens of thousands of sorties flown, only two US fighters were shot down, and even those were by fluke. They both flew predictable flight paths that made them easy targets.
What you don’t seem to understand is that it takes more than just detecting a stealth fighter. Today’s SAMs are fire-and-forget missiles, meaning they use their own internal radars to track and lock onto a target. The problem is that the tiny seeker head needs to be able to track and lock onto the fighter. Imagine how difficult that is when a large and powerful SAM site has difficulty itself. Put it this way, in exercises against the F-22 a F-15, which is well known for its powerful radars, couldn’t get a lock onto the Raptor even in visual range. The F-15 pilot was a British exchange pilot who said that the experience was extremely frustrating. Plus, the SAM site cannot guide the missile all the way to the target because that would reveal its position.
Your being Indian should help in knowing how your country is buying fewer and fewer weapons from Russia as time has gone by. Your Air Chief during the MMRCA tender stated that the USA had the best weapons, radars and systems, and the US wasn’t even offering its best. AESA radar is a great example. It’s at the forefront of radar for fighters, and is considered an essential need to be considered a 5th gen fighter. The USA has been fielding AESA for over twenty years in its fighters, while Russia still doesn’t have it in service in any of its fighter aircraft. It’s very expensive to make unless you have the manufacturing capabilities to build it on massive scale efficiently, which is what hurts Russia. It’s why the Chinese are surpassing Russia technologically.
Even without stealth, many of those other methods that I previously mentioned are very effective, and when you combine them together it makes it even more difficult.
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@kosovoisserbia8937 “The routes used by the F-117s during the shoot down had been flown previously multiple times. This contrary to the F-117 operations in the 91 war where they flew into Baghdad, never repeating the same inbound track consecutively.
Perhaps this was due to over confidence in their equipment, and air superiority. During Operation Allied Force, the NATO air campaign, it was standard operating procedure (SOP) for all strike missions to be accompanied by electronic warfare aircraft [EA-6B Prowlers]. These aircraft flew with strike missions to detect, jam, and destroy enemy radar installations. Because of these aircraft, it was difficult for the Yugoslavian anti air forces to operating their radars and get target quality tracks on even conventional military aircraft. Keep in mind, during the 78 days of Operation Allied Forces we flew 38,004 air sorties and lost only 2 aircraft to enemy fire. The Prowlers were a big part of that unprecedented record.
‘Unfortunately, on the day Vega 31 would be taken out of the sky, the Prowlers were grounded due to weather. The decision was made for the F-117s to fly their strike mission unsupported.”
From “An In-Depth Analysis of how Serbs Were Able to Shoot Down An F-117 Stealth Fighter during Operation Allied Force”
NATO won on air power alone. The USA didn’t lose the life of even one soldier. You can talk about all the what if if you want, but that doesn’t change history. And history has continued where SAMS are nearly effective as they used to be.
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