Youtube comments of Ponto (@Ponto-zv9vf).
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Well, he is doing that stupid thing of thinking Africa is all sub Saharan, he ignores North Africa, Egypt, NE Africa and the old people of Africa like the KhoiSan. He only thinks of Black Africa like Nigeria, Benin, Ghana, Togo, the Congo... He also thinks all Muslims are Arabians, and that people who speak Central Semitic languages are all Arabians. North Africa has had contact with sub Saharan Africa at various times in its history, but they are not Black Africans, and they share similar ancestry to Europeans like Neolithic farmers, European HGs and Steppe ancestry and thanks to Islam sub Saharan slave ancestry.
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I've built my family tree, it wasn't that difficult once you work out your recent relatives I mean grandparents, great grandparents. It might sound odd but many people don't know their grandparents, and definitely don't know their great grandparents. I was born in Malta, and as I said once you get through the recent relatives it's easy to go further via church records that a Mr. Adami recorded by copying church records from each church. The problem of course is missing records, and with Maltese people the habit of naming children after Joseph and Mary, and the many very common surnames. So far, my ancestors are holding up by dna testing. As far as the ethnicity of my ancestors, it's not important to me, and anyway I use G25 coordinates and Yahaduo to work out my ancient ancestry from Neolithic farmers, Steppe herders, HGs ....
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Your are right. European culture is different to that of North Africa, Egypt, the Levant, Turkey and Iran. You don't have to wander far even in Istanbul to see how foreign Turkey is to Europeans. Islam tends to produce rigid, dogmatic thinking and is backward looking. Europe is not like that except in the Middle Ages. Also people forget that most of Europe has been trodden upon by all sorts of people like Huns, Avars, Mongols, Romani and Jews and that Sicily had its indigenous tribes before the Punic and the old Greeks like the Elymians, Sicani and Sicels. An interesting question is how Arabian are the so called Arabs like the Sudanese, the Egyptians.., how Germanic are the Germans, how Slavic are the Russians and Poles. Question Italian ancestry will only lead to questions about the ancestry of other Europeans.
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Yes, it's a depressing picture. Ever since the post WW2 period, at least in Australia, the traditional family is gone, Dad working in his job for 40years, Mum at home looking after the children and aged relatives, helping others in the community. It's all gone. You have to spend years at school, higher education just to be able to get a shitty job. You're in your late 20s before you can think of marrying and maybe affording a deposit on a house and a bank mortgage. It goes on and on. Children are staying at home because they can't leave home, often have trouble getting work.
I am not saying that before the WW2 changes things were utopian, but people managed on one income that supported a family, and paid the mortgage.
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I am interested in ancient Rome, but only to a certain level. As to Christianity, the early groupings of Christians, I suppose you could call then a church, what the Romans thought about Christians, it doesn't interest me at all. I just like hearing opinions which is what they are, you could call them facts, it is food for thought, ultimately not important. As far as the Egyptians, the old brown ones, they could have functioned without a Pharaoh or declaring himself, herself as a God. Same with Rome. The Romans had Kings once, they got rid of him, had a republic without some man wanting to be a God, and Octavian could have done all the things he did without declaring Julius Caesar or himself a God. I have to say whoever put those words into Jesus' mouth in the New Testament did a good job, good PR work.
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People do make mistakes about the importance of haplogroups, however it is not a good enough reason to denigrate dna testing and trying to work out where in the world you and your cancestors lived at least in the last 200 years. Racism has nothing to do with race, it is a bigotry solely based on pigmentation. Pigmentation and race are often mistaken by bigots to be the same, hence the need of some to debunk race as nothing more than a concept. Money is a concept, I don't see anyone giving me their rubbish money afterall its a concept. Races are more than pigmentation, it's a bunch of things which can be ascertained from your dna. You are going on about ethnic identity is a concept, well ethnic identity cannot be seen in your dna, but your race can. The Dasyu weren't just dark skinned, they had certain features like a thick, short, pudgy nose, it's more than just dark skin. Whether you say Indo-European was just linguistic, and not racial. That is wrong, from their dna you can see exactly what their pigmentation was like, and their skeletons their skull shape, nose shape... You know your skeleton will show you are a common garden variety European type, unless you go for cremation.
I find you biased. Why? I can only speculate, maybe it is your background in Arty Farty studies, the humanities.
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Too bad Mr Rabbit cannot speak decent English. From an old British viewpoint, I am not British by the way, the saying is Wogs start east of Calais. If you don't know what a Wog is, well, learn. Honestly as far as Italy is concerned, all Italians are Dagos, north, south, east and west. Even the French Corsicans are Dagoes. This nonsense about the Mezzogiorno being African or Arab does not matter, all Italians can be considered Africans and Arabs, this Northern Italian thing about being more European is fiction. Language is language, it means nothing. Italians are as a group rather ugly and unattractive, Northern Italians included. Mr Rabbit looks very foreign and can pass as Arabian, Iranian, Armenian and even Egyptian. I have been all over Italy, and I find no difference in looks, what varies is the way they use standard Italian. Naples Italian is hardly intelligible, but you can say that in any part of Italy, they have their local languages.
Veneto is a mixed region, they have a lot of South Slav ancestry. That's the point, you cannot prove being Italian by your dna as each region has its own admixture with neighboring regions, and foreign immigrants. Genetically Southern Italians don't have a lot of alien ancestry, most of their ancestry is from Neolithic farmers who are one of the three founding populations of all Europeans. Swedes are more than 40% Neolithic ancestry, Southern Italians are more like 60% Neolithic ancestry. All Italians have Steppe ancestry, it's in the 20 to 30% rate, it's one of the founders of European ancestry. Mr. Rabbit is exaggerating the effects of the Normans who were mongrels not Scandinavian but a mixture of French people. The majority of Italians have dark hair, and brown eyes, north and south, and an olive skin tone. Even Swiss Italians are dark. There is too much exaggeration about pigmentation, about alien ancestry, about the differences between north and south in Italians. You can say the same about Germans, about French people, about Poles, Italy is no different except in some people's prejudiced minds.
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She was talking about Marx/Engels idea of Communism, you have to read the Communist Manifesto, a boring read. Communism was viewed as an ideal to go for, otherwise it was just a form of Socialism. Socialism has many forms, most governments control their monetary system, the education system, provides subsidies to industrialists and agriculturists and so on. I understand her on what she says on Communism, but to us who are into Democracy and a certain amount of individual freedom, it was not Socialism in the USSR, it was Communism. She really is a mouthpiece for the old USSR, Communism and the various dictators of the USSR. She is bigoted, maybe because of her ethnic origin, and the statue of Lenin. Personally she can believe what she wants, it's her religion after all.
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I don't accept the child sacrifice thing either, I believe it is a misunderstanding. Stillborns, aborted fetuses, and young children that died would not be buried, but cremated. Where are the remains of children in ancient Rome? The head of the Roman family could reject a newborn child and leave it out in the street, the Romans also cremated corpses. The Pantheon in Rome has Agrippa's name on it but it was built under Hadrian but the name of Agrippa's previous temple was left on it. I don't understand, Olives are not originally African but the trees were planted there. Grapes are not African in origin either. Wine in the ancient world was diluted with water before being drunk. The Carthaginians were occupiers but no colonizers. The Romans colonized, the made the conquered people Romans, they colonized moved retired soldiers around their Empire, they built towns and filled them with Romans. The Phoenicians and the Carthaginians didn't do that. I don't agree that Rome just plagarized, actually borrowed, they reinvented. The Etruscans and Greeks gave Rome a lot of architecture, but the Greeks and Etruscans did not invent the arch or make durable, strong and waterproof concrete.
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I consider the differences between Northern and Southern Italians are exaggerated, frankly the look similar to me. As to pigmentation, they are different from the extreme Northwest Europeans who are ruddier, are paler, and the eyes are often blue or green, the hair lighter than the browns of Italy. Most Northern Italians have dark hair, and brown eyes, and are not ruddy. True in the borderlands, people who spoke German or French or Slovenian there may be some the approximate NW Europeans in pigmentation, but even going into the countries surrounding Italy there are many of darker pigmentation. An ancient Roman would stick out today because they would be slimmer, and shorter than modern Italians. I would say the looks of Italians compared to ancient Romans, Etruscans, Samnites, Greeks and Gauls probably are quite similar, but genetically the modern Italians are shifted slightly towards the east. There was a huge number of Greek speaking immigrants to Rome and its empire from Anatolia and Syria, and most of them stayed and interbred with the old Italians. You cannot deny the dna results from the different periods of Italy. The pre Imperial Romans were like modern Central and North Italians, the Imperial Romans shifted towards Anatolia and Syria, post Imperial Italians are like Southern Italians.
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Look friend, you don't have to have degrees specializing in genetics or statistics like Mr. Patterson or Mr. Krause to be able to use various programs that analyse dna results from various people around the world. Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans and Egyptians are part of the dna cline that goes from the Caucasus region in the north all the way south to North Africa. They are not part of the European clines. The closest group to these Caucasus people, Levantines, Anatolian Turks, Iranians, Arabians and North Africans are the Cypriots. You can pick out those people from North Africa and the east Mediterranean from Europeans as easily as those silver quarters from those of base metals.
Let's face it, most of you folks cannot tell West Eurasians apart when they are the color of Mr. Rabbit is compared to Lebanese or Syrians. They look the same to you, but their dna separates them, the sheep (Europeans) from goats (North Africans and Eastern Meds)
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Well, the problem is that the Romans of the Imperial Age were the people to know, Rome the place to go, it was the center of everything. Why do you think Gauls, Huns, Langobards, Goths... went there? For the sun! Look at the USA, it's becoming less European day by day, well, that happened in Imperial Roman Italy. But one day, the Empire crashed, and the rats left for Constantinople.
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I understand your Italian, but the Pope I can't understand a lot. Yes I can hear dove, just a few words. Look, the man can say what he likes. You are right about Christianity, you have to accept Jesus is the messiah, and that he was resurrected. For me, I have my own beliefs which isn't Christianity, so I don't really care one way or other. I wonder why the Pope said what he said, I mean he is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Maybe he accepts the maxim, Live and let live, don't fight.
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Sad that there are PHDs on such garbage topics. Look, I have biases, I don't understand what they are talking about, it's mumbo jumbo to me. Vampires, what a topic. I read Bram Stoker's book. Very boring, lots of journal writing. The Dracula preferred the dark, the night, he travelled in a coffin with soil in it. Who's seen Nosferatu? I have, but it is a crude and old films, rather laughable. Look these people live off making a mountain out of a molehill. I think it is fair enough for the Vampire concept to evolve. I mean who to say it should be frozen, it is a fantasy character.
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Why are the planets and the sun in our Solar system, spheres? And the Earth is flat? I really don't like looking at shaven headed men, they look freaky. Extinction is the fate of all living things, one day there will be no more humans. An oxygen atmosphere took millions of years to form, it was produced my microorganisms as a waste product. Oxygen, the molecule, O2, is not toxic, but to form oxygen, the single atom, O, is toxic, it's an antioxidant.
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Well all we can say is that each culture has the oldest known form of writing or the wheel, but who invented the same is unknown. The picture of regular, common snails that are eaten are nothing like the snail whose organ has the purple, blue or red dye. The Phoenicians could travel across the sea because of the keel, otherwise they would have to stick to the coastline. The coastline was not mountainous, the inland was, the coastal hinterland was fairly flat, well watered and fertile. Mesopotamian sea ports? Alexander the Macedonian was not the first person or king that wanted the ports, trees and ships of the Phoenicians. The sacking of Tyre was silly, without the people there would be no continued cash cow, but just one big hit of pillage cash, Alexander was rather stupid to sack Tyre. Purple is the color of Witches and Wizards. The colors produced by processing the glands of those sea snails varied from red, blue and different shades of purple.
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My oh my, such a lot of hatred towards an insignificant group of people who like the Lilies of the Field neither reap nor sow, and have none of the benefits of those flowers, the fragrance and beauty.
As a Southern European, Ashkenazi Jews, the most European ones, are the bane of my dna tests. The reason is these Jews cluster quite closely to my ethnic group, probably more closer to Southern Italians, Greek Islanders and Sicilians than to mine, but still very close. Many programs put them closer to me than my own ethnic group, yet I have no Ashkenazi Jews as matches even distant ones. My matches are of my own ethnic group. One thing about Jews is that they do not cluster with any landmass, they just cluster in the Mediterranean Sea. Southern Italians, Greek Islanders, Sicilians and my ethnic group cluster where they are found in Italy, Sicily and parts of Greece, but Jews sort of float between Sicily, Southern Italy, and the Aegean Sea. Between mainland Greece and Crete is where the majority of Jews locate. Greeks have a Slavic component.
I thought everyone knew that Ashkenazi Jews are the result of Southern and Central Italian women and Levantine Men sometime after the majority of Central Italians were highly admixed with Anatolian Greek speaking immigrants that moved to Italy after the late Imperial Age of Rome when foreign admixture in Italians was at its highest.
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I have never seen the actor Brian Blessed without a beard, and it's the same type of beard. It isn't the existence of Jesus that is questioned, it's his godhood, it is easier to go for for Jesus didn't exist than his godhood. My idea is that Jesus had black hair, tan skin, black beard, looked Middle Eastern, but blue eyed. Blue eyes are not uncommon among West Eurasians, and being Middle Eastern does not mean being a negro or a South Asian or some South Pacific Islander i.e Black. That man is biased. Baldness is a West Eurasian thing, not just European or some type of Jewish man. Jeffrey Hunter was American, Max von Sydow was Swedish, so what British Jesus.
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Never heard of her. Look she can claim what she likes, but it doesn't mean she cannot be questioned about her identity and why she claims what she says. I live and identify with a country I was not born in, but raised in. I cannot identify with that birth country because I am too alien for that place. I don't speak the language, I don't care for their main religion, I don't care about their culture. However, I don't deny where I was born, my genetic ancestry, my parents, I just don't identify with it. When I was a child there was a black African child in my neighborhood who was the son of Italian immigrants. This child was Italian even though his ancestry was from Somalia. This woman Mitchell doesn't look Spanish or Scottish or any European, so her claims will be challenged, and so they should be.
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I thought the Sphinx was older because of Astrological iconography. Sphinx a body of a lion, so constellation Leo. The bull Apis represents the constellation of Taurus, and the usage of the Ram as Ra, represents the constellation of Aries. Look at Jesus with the lamb Of course this could all be coincidental. When in academia you have to be prepared to be scrutinized and even derided, science runs on paradigms and questioning paradigms can arouse a lot of anger. So Graham Hancock says some things which can be rational, the precession he is talking about is the precession of the equinoxes. The Spinx's head being a lion's head is conjecture. Graham Hancock uses a lot of natural things, then runs with it with his ideas. He says the Giza plateau, it's a plateau, a flat area, now that sounds like a good place to build the Sphinx and Pyramids. Erosion of rock depends on the type of stone. Hills can be leveled even in ancient times.
Usually I don't listen to Graham Hancock, he has a lot of problems with things he doesn't like. Pyramids were a waste to time and money as tombs since they were robbed soon after they were finished complete with sarcophagus and mummy. I want to thank the Sumerians for the seconds, minutes and hours, and the degrees that Hancock mentioned.
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Mediterranean is a catchall, it doesn't mean much except that the peoples live around the Mediterranean Sea. Egypitians, Greeks, Spanish, Italians, Slovenians, Montenegrins, Turks.... don't have much in common. And genetically some like the Greeks, Italians, Spanish, South Balkans cluster in Europe, and the others Egyptians, Lebaneses, Turks.. cluster with Middle Eastern and North African peoples.
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Question: Are you suggesting that the Romans lumped Crete with Egypt? Chinese languages are actually quite different from each other, whereas Romance languages derived from some form of spoken Latin, and are more closely related than the Chinese languages to Mandarin. The Romans only cared for taxes, and peace in their provinces, as long as you didn't respect their laws and religious beliefs, you could believe in your Gods, your language and your culture. Latin and Greek were the languages of the Empire, and Roman money the currency, so the Empire was unified in a sense without exterminating the ethnic differences of the various Roman citizens. China on the other hand tended to be authoritarian and as it is today, a totalitarian State. The Chinese has a form of ethnic cleansing, that is they moved into the territories of different ethnicities and formed clans which incorporated the non Han ethnic groups, and dominated them genetically at least in the male lines. Much the same happened in Europe when the Steppe Herders moved into Europe proper from its periphery, and took local women as their wives and concubines leading to the almost complete replace of the male lines in Western Europe.
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