Comments by "Life\x27s Adventures" (@bigphillyed) on "Voice of America"
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It should be left to the people to vote, and only the people, majority rules. Only on public owned land. If you take down monuments because of some wrongdoing in the past, then why is it okay in museums, history books, etc. If slavery was so bad, why do we teach it in schools? We use history, its monuments, memorials to remember the past, so that we do not make the same mistake again. The 50's and 60's were bad times for bladk americans, yet we have MLK memorials and statues. If we remove everything because it was bad in the past, we would have nothing. Without reminders of the evil and wrongdoing in our past, we are destined to make the same mistakes again. In the end, it should be left to the people to decide not politicians who will decide based on what they believe will keep them in office.
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@canman5060 who is an threat to China national security? Xi has done some great things for China. Granted Chinas world isn't perfect, but for governing and managing 1.4 Billion people, China has done an awesome job. Could you imagine if China wasn't successful at governing that many people? They would be like India is now, a fucking cesspool. How dare I say such a thing? I am saying exactly what everyone else is afraid to say, that governing 1.4 Billion people is no easy task, throw in your so called freedom and liberty and you have a nation in disarray doing only god knows. You may not like Xi, communism or socialism. But when you are dealing with a nation the same size as america, with 4 times the amount of people and the most densely populated land in the entire world. Feeding them, giving them jobs, healthcare, criminal justice, etc., are far more important then one individuals ability to choice every aspect of their life. At some point society has to look at the greater good for ALL not just a few. In asian culture what China has done and does is not so bad. 1.4 Billion people, let that number sink in! Stop being an asshole.
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@鲁冀 what bad behavior? Eating wild animals? News flash, domesticated animals carry more virus's, bacteria and parasites then wild animals, why? Because of over crowded stables and fields, lack of proper nutrition, unsanitary stalls and housing, etc. Yet you are going to assume the virus came from a chinese citizen who ate a wild animal. That is just a ridiculous statement! Americans, Europeans and asians all eat wild animals and seafood everyday, yet you see the same issues globally. Look how many people become I'll world wide because of infected animals, and animals with toxins in them. Some from wild animals and a lot from domestic animals. The only reason someone like you would even make a statement like that, is if you were a vegetarian or vegan, and have some kind of bias.
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@GirlLoving9 no doubt the misunderstanding is because of different political systems, what americans do not understand is that because they live in our society. They think every other society, political system and economy are wrong. Americans never accept indifference, they do not respect heritage and culture of other people. In most of the asian cultures, citizens are more then happy to give uncertain liberties to allow for the greater good of a community or society. In america, everyone is out for their own advantages. Asian culture believe in hard work and community self enlightenment, this is why most asian cultures take pride in their work and efforts. Americans just never respect other cultures and social norms, hence why a,American tourists are hated.
I do not think China needs more strict laws on hunting and selling wildlife. I mean there should be some type of oversight insuring the game or meat comes from a reputable seller, etc., but here in the states most hunters usually eat what they kill. On sales of wild game and hunting each state has it's own laws and licenses for that. Yes china has some odd food norms and even some really radical oddities, but to the people of china it's normal. The Chinese culture believes in a lot of medicinal culture and that drives a lot of the wild and odd foods and spices. But, none of that is a cause of viruses. Almost any animal in the world can carry a virus that humans can get, but to blame china for a virus created by mother nature is just plain ignorant.
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@normantang171 Norman Tang first if all, being white or brown has nothing to do with what is going on in Hong Kong, but now that we know your a racist piece of shit. As far as the 5 demands: 1. Withdrawl if extradition bill, done and withdrawn. 2. Police brutality, is a mute topic as protestors violence far exceeds the treats to an officers safety. In america if you threaten to harm an police officer they can use deadly force to protect themselves. I have to be honest, I think the police have been very timid in dealing with protestors. Just as there are isolated very violent protestors there is also isolated incidents of police using excessive force. There is not one substantial case of rape or dead bodies in the sea that are directly related to Hong Kong over mental or police, not one. Everything coming from the violent protestors is all accusations and not one ounce of evidence or guilt has been found. 3, retraction of the term Rioter to protestor. The protestors have committed the act of rioting by the definition. No one can break the law, attack police, destroy public and private property and attack citizens and not be labeled a rioter. In fact these violent protestors are nothing more then common street criminals and should be seen as such. The second these protestors began to use violence they lose any possible title of who they are. 4. Amnesty for laws broken while protesting. Really? You do not get to break the law, destroy property, attack police, attack other citizens and then get amnesty simply because you protested for it. I believe over 2,500 people have been arrested and the demand for amnesty is for 750 of them. That is ridiculous, that is not they way life works. Thus just shows the immature and childish thought process of these teenagers protesting. In fact there is zero, organization or structure to these violent protests. Not one person has stood up to take a leadership role to demand any particular list. You do not get to break the law, throw a temper tantrum and then demand amnesty for their crimes. So far all these demands have been childish, immature and down right full of shit. The final demand is universal suffrage, let's be honest here, never has Hong Kong been a true democracy. Even under british rule, thengivernornwas never elected by the people, thenbritish government assigned governor position as they saw fit. Now, Hong Kong citizens get to vote for 50% of the seats, which is basically been the same since 1997 and not much different then the british system in the past. Let's be honest here, Honk Kong is sovereign PRC land and people and they should have some level of governance over their land and people. I think a communist socialist chinrse society giving HK citizens 50% voting power over the council is pretty fair, considering it is China. The alternative would be a completely assigned government as what the british provided. Economically speaking Hong Kong depends more on china then china depends on Hong Kong. So it only seems fair for the PRC to have some say on what politicians represent Hong Kong. Universal suffrage was never even written into then Sino-British declaration, so why would it change now? The bottom line China has and should have a say in who governors their sovereign territory. The idea a capitalist society must be a free society is childish and immature thought process. No where in any declaration does it state that Hong Kong must be a free and democratic state, nor should it be. China has retained control of HK for 200 years, sorry but that is the fact. So HK protestors again are protesting a demand that they have no entitlements to demand. Never has HK been a full democracy, not once in history even during british control. Demanding universal suffrage is an attempt at making Hong Kong a full democracy, which is not what the Sino-British agreement was about. In the end a bunch of pissed off teenagers are simply using violence against Hong Kong and it's people for the sake of democracy they never had before. Just call it what it is, a demand for independence from China. The entire world knows that will never happen, nor should it happen. Hong Kong has no possible way of ever declaring independence nor could they even attempt it. Hong Kong's economy, lack of resources, lack of defense, and lack of international support could never support independence from China. China has a valid sovereign claim to Hong Kong. None of this matters as in 2047 the PRC gets full control of Hong Kong no matter what the citizens want and demand. All these violent protests are doing is providing a clear and present threat to the national security of China and will eventually force the PRC to send in the PLA to gain control and restore law and order. These protestors have no reason to be protesting nor using violence and the world sees that.
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Everything that makes New York City a great place to be and visit. Also makes it the worst place in the world for viruses and public health. Cities like NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo Beijing, Hong Kong, etc., are all incubators for viruses and diseases. This is common knowledge and opinion that NYC is a cesspool for public health. Governor Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio are responible for the deaths of thousands of New Yorkers and thousand more americans because they failed to react and lockdown NYC. They kept mass transit open, public venues, stores, restaurant's, bars, museums, etc. They didnt lockdown transportation points into and out of the city, allowing infected New Yorkers to leave and spread the virus outside of NYC, hence why New Jersey is the second worst hit state behind NY. DeBlasio and Cuomo sent all infected to area hospitals instead of field hospitals thus causing New Yorkers who needed medical attention for injuries, surgeries, heart problems etc., to risk infection to get medical care. They demanded supplies and equipment that they both should have already had. Didnt this city learn anything from 911, and the half of dozen other disasters to hit the city. New Yorkers should be demanding the recall and impeachment of Gov. Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio. President Trump should be launching an FBI investigation into both of them for criminal negligence that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people. NYC is now the worst and most dangerous place to live in the US, and now we know for a fact what happens when a virus hits NYC, it takes down the rest of the country. Next time lock down your cesspool city and protect America.
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l wrong! As an american I should be respecting the fact they are free and a capitalist society, and in fact have more liberties now then they have ever had. As an american I must also respect the fact that Hong Kong is soverign Chinese soil, it was before the british came and it is after the british left. In this day and age, with civilization as advanced as it is, the world cannot force its ideology on every other culture. First of all China does not control Hong Kong, they have their own autonomy. The only time China steps in is when it comes to foriegn matters or matters of national security. China cannot fully step in till 2047. Something else you need to educate yourself about is the FACT China is and never was a communist state. China is a socialist representative republic. Another fact is China is becoming more and more capitalist as they have begun to give control of the state sponsored companies in the major industries to private corporations throughout china. Chinese business owners are becoming private billionaires every month. China has begun to see how successful their country can be gloablly by allowing private ownership. What you fail to see is that China is the most successful nation in history, they went from a third world country to a world power in less then 40nyears. They have effectively governed 1.4 billion people in the same size country as the US. Is the Chinese system perfect? No. Has china been responible for some bad things? Yes. Has china violated human rights? Yea. But ask yourself what country in history hasn't done thise things. Even the United states has done some if the most terrible things in history. Yet here you are defending the US. You can bash China all you want, but you have no reason to do so. The asian culture is far different then that of the US. Asian culture is willing to accept certain things for the sake of all the people. The entire chinese sitauation can be said like this. What would america look like with 5 times the people it has now? Do you honestly think the us with 1.4 billion people would still have freedom and liberty like it does now? No it wouldn't, it would be impossible to govern 1.4 billion people with our current government. China has eradicated poverty to less then 1%, their crime rate is half of the US rate with 5 times more people. They have the same education system as us, they have now become the number one country for foriegn students for university. They own the majority of minerals and rare minerals, they own the majority of the US debt, they invest the largest portion of their money into their infrastructure, they invest in their people. It's not the perfect system, but it is very successful considering how many people they have. So no as an American I do not support the terrorist students in Hong Kong. By the way, the majority of Hong Kong citizens support the HK government and support China rule, only 15% of the population supports independance. In fact the only demand of the 5 the people support is universal suffrage, which is all they really want. But what they do not understand is, that being able to nominate and elect their own chief executive accomplishes nothing for Hong Kong. There is no advantage to universal suffrage in Hong Kong. You really need to take the time to educate yourself about the entire situation before telling someone else that they are fighting for their freedom, because they aren't. They are already free.
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@GirlLoving9 so because you do not consume wild animals, means that no one should? And that the government should regulate it. Let me ask you this, what kind of meat do you eat? Where does it come from? So americans and every other nation should prevent its citizens from hunting and eating their kill such as pork, deer, fish, birds, insects, etc. Do you see how ridiculous that statement is? So, people complain about China controlling it's people, and here you are saying to control them even more and prevent them from the one most important basic human right, and that is the right to food.
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@youngarchivest9092 Young Archivest you are a complete idiot! Hong Kong has never had democracy and they never will. Universal suffrage was never written into the basic laws of HK. The HK high court found that the people of Hong Kong are not entitled to universal suffrage. What does targeting any business do for the cause? In fact these terrorist students have now officially lost any and all support of the international community when they killed two innocent citizens. The PRC never interfered with Hong Kong. This all started over an extradition bill proposed by the HK council. The council removed the bill as the people demanded and that is when the violent protests should have stopped. Independence for Hong Kong is impossible and never will happen even the experts agree that is not an option. Hong Kong had no government in place to handle independence, HK has no defense forces, they have no foreign ties, and these radical terrorist students do not have the support of the people for independence. You fail to forget that Hong Kong is sovereign chinese soil and the PRC will not give up HK. You may think the PRC is some oppressive evil nation but then truth is that chibese citizens live reasonably well in comparison to other nations, they have reduced crime rates and better social welfare programs then 90% of the other countries out there. Chinese people do have freedoms, they just have censored public speech against the government. In fact the PRC is not even technically a communist country anymore, they are a purely socialist society. In fact a majority of HK citizens do not have an issue with HK being part of china. They only want universal suffrage, and that is just the students that want it. The majority of Hong Kong do not support these students, and they feel their violence is not justified. You can wish for some type of freedom for Hong Kong but Hong Kong could never survive in a total democracy free from the PRC. Between these violent protestes and the current HK recession, Hong Kong is in serious trouble and these students could care less. China takes total control of Hong Kong in 27 years and there is no amount of violent protests that will change that. China is very smart by not responding at all, the PRC has not gotten involved because they know these violent street thugs will destroy their own city and when the dust clears China will have no choice but to step in and save the region. Democracy and freedom doesny work in every culture. Look at misy of the middle east, democracy has brought mounds and mounds of corruption and civil rights violations, and increased internal fighting. What works in one society and culture does not mean it works in others especially in asian cultures. You are an ignorant fool who is clueless and blind of the realities of the world. You are a dreamer!
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@GoogleAccount-ii9sj wow you are fucking crazy and pay no attention to anything around you. Even your so called anchor babies, legal immigrants and americans want all peoples to immigrate to the US LEGALLY... not jumping the fucking borders like a criminal. How is anyone rewriting what it is to be an american? We encourage immigration, we accept ourmfair share of asylum seekers, we help more countries in the world then any other nation. How is that changing what america is? If you mean deporting 800K DACA people because there in the country illegally is going to change america, youre more of an idiot then I thought. No matter how you try and spin it, DACA people are here illegally, the irony none of them applied for citizenship the entire time they were here, none applied for citizenship while in DACA. Why is that? They were not born here, they are not citizens of this country, yet they have sucked up the resources as if they were a citizen. My simple mind has never seen war? Your kidding right, because I spent 3 years in Kuwait in 1990 and 2 years in Bosnia and 3 years in Afghanistan, I have seen enough war to last me 10 lifetimes. I have seen first hand the evil of humanity based on religion, sovereignty and stupidity. I know the importance of good immigration laws by seeing what happens when people fight over it. So don't give me your bleeding heart liberal bullshit. All the illegals crossing the borders now claiming asylum for things they know they are not. And fucking liberal blood suckers like you trying to destabilize the core values of our culture and society by accepting anyone who simply has a tough life. Does that mean we should take in every person in poverty from Africa, central america and south america? And who is going to pay for them all, whom going to support them all? You? You wouldn't even let them in your house, yet it's okay to put them in my country. We have laws and rules, wanna be an american apply for citizenship, or shit the fuck up.
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@GoogleAccount-ii9sj I looked for scholarships for my 6 years of college and never got one ounce of assistance, and paid every penny myself without student loans. Illegal children should not even be entitled to going to college in the US. What do I expect from them... easy go back to where you came from and legally apply for citizenship like the millions of immigrants before them. I may be a piece of shit, I may be the biggest asshole in the country, but at least I am a citizen of the United States of America. Who served his country and his community for over 12 years. By the way, I do not watch the news, because none of them tell the truth, I do all my own research, which is why I can have a clear conscious when I say 800K DACA recipients should be deported immediately. Not because they are trying to better themselves, not because of where they are from, not because the color of their skin, not be cause of which God the believe in. But because of how they came here, how their parents couldn't follow simple rules and laws of immigration in a country they cherish and praise. These people are criminals, their parents, themselves, and yet here they are begging for assistance they arent entitled to.
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@GoogleAccount-ii9sj your are humourous at best, more like ridiculous. Cartel violence, gang violence, domestic violence and street crime are NOT a reason to violate a countries sovereignty. Because people from the central american northern triangle are to lazy to stand up against drug smugglers and street thugs, instead they travel thousands of miles through safe places and places they could easily live, to illegally cross the american border. The drug war in america has nothing to do with El Salvador, Honduras or Nicaragua. Those countries are full of corrupt politicians and police who only care about money and not the people, they failed day after day, month after month, year after year and generation after generation. Do not try to blame america for your own people's problems. But see your people find it easier to simply break the law in america by jumping the border, then it is to put time and effort into your own country and fix what is broken. And now because of your shit level of laziness, those countries can never be saved. But see it isn't America's responsibility to fix the problems, or take in all the lazy people for not fixing there own shit. It isn't my job to face the problem, why? Because it is not America's problem, it's all the shithole countries in central and sounth Americas problem.
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@GoogleAccount-ii9sj little triggered much their illegal fuck head? DACA people never serve shit, they are just more illegals who thinks the world owes them something. Guess what it doesn't. The only things these kids deserve is a one way ticket to the shit hole country they came from. Your right, they were raised here, went to kindergarten here, all illegally, sucking up resources american taxpayers paid for. I don't give a fuck what their parents grew up on, or how much poverty they lived in. Does adversity make people weak, of course it does, if it didn't they would travel thousands of miles to break the law. They would have stayed in their home and made things better if they weren't weak. Instead they jump the lines trying to be citizens over the other hundred thousand of potential immigrants. What would I have done for my kids? I would have worked hard, applied for citizenship to any country that would give me and my family's better chance. There are literally a hundred other countries that would accept immigrants and offer a reasonable life, countries that wouldn't make you wait for citizenship to live a better life.
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@angeladugal4078 Angela dugal not one ounce of truth in anything you say. It's just the typical prescripteted democrat punch line to anything Trump. I believe the word of a successful business man over the word of a washed up pornstar. Devils advocate for your sake, he did sleep with Stormy Daniels. A man sleeps with a woman consensually, what is wrong with that? Before you mention he is married, what if he has an open marriage? It wonders me how you just immediately call her a "hooker". What a great way to describe a successful woman. I thought democrats were about equality and women's rights, not so much with you I guess. If you think only rich people invest in the stock market, then you are a complete fool. The majority of wall street and angel investments are from collaborative investment funds and firms. Whose money comes from school teachers trade workers, factory workers, etc, through pensions funds and 401K. So yeah a good stock market is good for the average blue collar american working their ass off. Just shows you more BS from the blue nose people. Then you say henusnt transparent at all, I cannot believe how blind and ignorant you are, its shocking. He is probably the most transparent president in history. He has not signed any privacy orders, shut any hearings down, classified anything from the public. Look at obama signed security executive orders to shut the press out of operations. Congress hides behind closed doors, the democrats in the house hid over half if the impeachment hearings and even kept out all Republicans from 6 hearings. You wanna talk about transparency? Iran BS? We didn't even start that, in fact Iran started by attacking a british ship and holding it hostage. The british responded by taking a Iranian tanker under control. The US navy patrolled the straight to protect shipping and Iran shoots down two US drones. Here you think Trump started it for reelection. News flash, trump doesnt need the Iran situation to win reelection. Democrat support base like you with your hateful and false rhetoric are the reason more Americans are voting for him this year. As far as the strike in the Iranian general, Obama (the drone strike King) signed an executive order allowing the president the take military action to protect our national security. His law gave him power to use military force for any offensive operation as long as it didn't go beyond the prescribed budget. Wanna blame someone for using military action for reelection blame Obama. You cannot give one example of anything that backs up one thing you said. He never broke any criminal laws, he has never been convicted of a crime. Yet here you are blasting away ridiculous accusations without one evidence of proof. You are the a typical intolerant hateful hangry grumpy violent democrat who points his personal morals above the results and the needs of the american people. Guess what, he wins reelection easily, you know that and that scares you. The Democrats party is over, they cannot even stop fighting amongst themselves. The party is fractured and split. In typical fashion democrats beat themselves out of an election win. But hey keep supporting the Clinton's never gets you anywhere good.
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@darktolight4363 you are such a moron, listen to what you just said even after I told you about England, France, Spain, Russia, etc. First of all communism is a lot more then just losing freedom of speech. In fact right now currently only the US has true freedom of speech. By the way I seem not a Chinese citizen, so don't say my country, it isn't my country. You must be a very uneducated boomer who feels threatened by communism. China invested in itself and its people. China has some off the best educated mines in the world, they take gray caste of their people, their health care is top notch, their social programs are some off the world's leading. In China communism works, and they are more a socialist economy then communist. The model they use works for them. Their society and economy wouldn't work in the US, but leave it up to douche bags like you to try and impose your lifestyle in others.
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@Happy Cody wrong, violence essentially in protests is reserved for one situation and once situation only, and that is when a rebellion is needed to put down a tyrannical government. The Chilean government is not tyrannical, this violence is not needed, especially when it is because your government raises subway fares. There its ZERO cause for violent protests over a fare hike. There is nothing that justifies the level of violence these protesters used. All the end up doing is getting people hurt destroying their communities and eventually get someone killed. Wanna protest fare hikes, demonstrate and stop trains, buses, planes from moving. Get all government employees to walk out, school teachers to call it sick, firemen to call out sick, etc. Violence does not get rewarded it weakens these society and the views the outside world has towards your cause.
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Well looky looky what we have here, another liberal blind foolish and ignorant sheep! Witnesses and evidence is not to be provided in the Senate vote that is the rules. Democrats should have either waited till they had the appropriate evidence and witnesses before sending the articles of impeachment or dropped the investigation all together. They knew this, that's why the waited so long to send it to the senate, hoping something else was gonna come up. In my opinion, they knew about something with Bolton, and were hoping it would come out before they sent the articles over. Which if that is the case, means democrats conspired with Bolton without advising the house. Meaning about 12 democratic house members committed a felony. But we do not have evidence or proof of that, so that stays an opinion. There isn't one ounce of evidance that republican senators were threatened over their vote. That is another bullshit left mainstream media story, of which they do not even have a named source for. Unless you name the source in journalism, it isn't fact, its not even news, it's an opt-ed piece unless you can corroborate the statements. But see liberal mainstream media never does that anymore, they try and pass off opt-ed pieces as factual news. Here is the bottom line, Bolton was not there when the phone call was made to Ukraine, Bolton was not there for any communication between Ukraine. The House never received one ounce of evidance or documents supporting their charges. The only witnesses they had was here say, third party and liberal scholary opinions of interpretations of law and impeachment process. The reality is, the impeachment articles had insuffiencient evidance, and never should have even been voted on. Nothing the house democrats had in regards to witness testimony, statements or evidence would even stand up in court. Democrats knew that, otherwise they wouldn't have held up the articles and would have delivered them immediately to the senate. Pelosi held them up in hope of securing some type of definitive evidance. This is the truth and facts of the entire hearing, so why arent they allowing witnesses and testimony? Because none of it investigated in the house was actual witnesses to the phone call or witness to anymactual quid pro quo, and democrats know that. They are simply trying to sway republicans by opinions and third party conversations. Stop being led to slaughter by democrats!
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And where is the men essential workers photo montage? What because a person is a woman makes them better or worst? Why does the media always push some kind of division in every aspect of life? Why is their racism, gender discrimination and other prejudice things in our world? Because people always need to label and point out being a woman, whits, black, rich, poor, pink, yellow, etc., instead of just treating everyone the same. Why couldnt this just been a video of pictures of men, woman, white, black, asian, etc., essential workers and titles, "Essential Workers"? Oh that's right, that doesnt make money.
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@filonin2 you can use article 39 all you want, but it still doesnt make it illegal if coalition forces were enforcing security council resolution 687. With the US, UK, France as permanent members of the security council, China, Russia, Austria, Belgium, India, Ivory Coast, Romania, Zaire and Zimbabwe all voted for the resolution, Cuba voted against and Yemen and Ecuador abstained. UNSC resolution 687 reaffirmed 13 other UNSC resolutions. All giving coalition forces the necessary approval to invade Iraq to remove Sadam from power. UN article 39 only refers to those military actions not approved by the UNSC. As the operation was authorized by the UNSC article 39 does NOT apply. Keep trying tho. Stop rehashing your autistic opinion, because it does not apply.
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Let me get this right, the citizens of a third world country with an insane history of war have extreme unemployment are demanding higher pay, increased government services (that require tax money), a system to remove corruption, and a system to remove sectarian political control. And the answer to this is violence and damage to property, blocking roads to prevent those working from doing their work. This is why these people should have stayed in school and got an education beyond the 6th grade. These changes you want and demand start with the people. You must educate yourself, if the state will not educate you sufficiently then educate yourself, find ways to improve yourself, so that you can find better way to provide for your family. Last time I checked, Iraqis voted for their government officials, and yet everytime they vote and elect a politician they are corrupt. I think maybe you need to stop voting for people based on their religious sects and start nominating and electing more honest people. Then again I highly doubt the corruption is nearly as bad as the public perception is, it seems that where Shiites are in power, the Sunnis scream corruption and where Sunnis are in power the Shiites scream corruption. It just kills me that how a nation of 98% muslim society, still cannot get along with other muslims because of sectarian indifference. News flash Iraq, it will never get better until you people learn how to live, and work with each other. Government services will never get better until such time your unemployment rate increases and stabilizes and taxes are paid. So stop claiming your government for all the problems, when it is not all their fault. With your country in the financial crisis it is in, you need to pick one side to support. You cannot be anti-Iran and anti-American and expect everything to be fine. You need the support and guidance from some outside sources. My opinion learn to live with each other before you start blaming everyone else for your problems. Your religious leaders should be sitting down with each other and finding ways to set aside your indifference so that you can move forward. Your entire nation is divided by sectarian bull shit, and here you are destroying your own communities for what? Your all acting like a bunch of animals, stop being stupid.
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None of these aid packages are going to help america or the economy. States are staying closed way to long. Americans are now almost two months behind on bills such as mortgage and rent, car loans, credit cards, etc. Those bills just dont go away, nor should they. We have already seen that the majority of small, local businesses such as restaurants, bars, small stores, etc., will not be open for business even after the lockdowns are lifted. The PPP was extremely difficult for most businesses to understand or even file for. None of the loans cover rents, utilities, bills, inventory, etc., it was all meant to protect employee wages. It will be almost a decade to recover from this BS shutdown, and I fear the numbers of homeless that will come from this because of unpaid rent and mortgage. Employment rates are not just gonna pop back instantly, in fact I think a lot of employers will be out of business because of how much their expenses have piled up. Bankruptcy is going to go through the roof. It's going to be very bad and rough for many years because of these ridiculous shutdowns.
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@ausfoolia1111 you are actually admitting socialism works? What about Venezuela? The only thing that works in Cuba is their health care, and it isn't because it's the best, it is because it works for the amount of people that have. Given an economy, their healthcare system would fall apart. I love your study theory, because that is the kind of false narrative the left always uses against the people to spread their disease. You wasn't to take away a person's freedom and choice because you feel the government can best choice who and how to govern. Yet people like you are the ones violently protesting all the time because you are not getting your way. Fact is this, the majority of Chile supports the current government, the left had been trying to gain control for over 20 years, and fails time after time. The bad party is when there is s legitimate problem that needs attention freon the people and the international community. No one believes you because all you do is protest when ever the minority left doesn't get what they want. The left will never be right again, look throughout the world, the right are winning elections and nations more and more, and all the left does is protest and use violence against their own people. Even in America the left is violent and intolerant of anyone with a different opinion then theirs. So you keep burning down businesses killing innocent people, destroying public property that tax payers paid for, disrupting the economy all because you are throwing a social temper tantrum. It is people like you thatate destroying lives and society's around the world. If socialism and communism are so good then leave Chile and move to Russia, China or north Korea or Cuba. If not, then knock your childish games off get to work and stop trying to very everything for free.
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Kevin E wow you are a lot crazier then I first thought! None of this has to do with anything about eviction protection from covid19. But let me address your stupidity. There isn't one country out there dealing with homeless issues or starving people because of covid19. The UK has been battling major evic5ion issues for years even prior to covid19 and will double or even triple because of covid19. France, Germany, Russia are all experiencing the same exact issues. Here ypu are shit talking america for the same issues every country in the world is experiencing. Tell me one government system in the world, right now, that isnt hard on poverty? Just one, please enlighten us. Two, even americas poorest people are better off then any other countries poorest people. What shithole country do you live in? Because I am very sure, america is far much better then yours. My country does not exploit me for their gain, america doesnt exploit any citizens for any kind of gain. Lastly, your not an american born, you never walked into any marine corp recruiting center. I can tell by your poor grammar, choice of words and sentence structure english is a second language for you. Everything you have said has been nothing but lies, outrageous and completely false. Grow up because you have to be one of the worst trolls I have ever encountered on youtube.
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@Jesse-lj7zs first of all, the majority of protests in the last 2 years are all violent. Chile - violent, Hong Kong - violent, Libya- violent, Bolivia - violent. Violence is not the answer. I am american and I live a great life, but most of the countries in the world are not america. And those citizens must respect the rule of law, and if they are not happy with their current society, then leave. Hong Kong kids are protesting for no reason and being violent, chile the violence started over a fare hike, Libya is because they feel their leaders are not doing anything to help the economy and Bolivia are using violence because they disagree with an election outcome. Not one of those protests are for human rights or because of liberties or freedom. Global society's trend is to violently protest because your not happy and your life sucks. It is a dangerous trend that is bringing societies to the brink of collapse. And when governments respond with force to regain control, people cry in the streets because the government took control. If your not happy do something about it step up change your society and political landscape by ethical human and civilized means.
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@Sean well aren't you just full of all kinds of lies and deceit! The United States is not the most violent country in the world. In fact the US is ranked 36th in the world for violence. Afganistan, Syria and the South Sudan are the top three. So there is lie number one! Two Blovia is not a dictatorship, in fact they are a presidential representative democratic republic and their is lie number two. If your gonna try and bend the truth to your liking, say least make a half assed attempt at it. You weren't even close to the truth. The truth is, the protests in Bolivia are based solely on the accusations of voter fraud which in itself shows everyone you are absolutely clueless. Anyway, the left swinging MAS or socialist party in Bolivia is in control of the government, and is the cause of most of Bolivias problems. This is just another example of a failed socialist economy that will fall. Bolivians have a lot to be mad about, but as I say to all these protestors, violent protests does not solve problems like bolivia has. It takes decades to fix bolivias problems, and it takes change from within, in ideology, class, and socioeconomic areas. But if you do not believe me, feel free to do 5 minutes of research and maybe you will not have to lie.
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@shanepankhurst9958 Americans are not shielded, we're know what is happening, most Americans honestly do not care or they sympathize with the oppressed. But that is not the issue here. The issue here is that Kurds, a known terrorist faction is constantly trying to force some other nation ie., Turkey, Syria, Iraq, etc to give then a Kurdish state. When they do not get what they want, the use terror and force to make it happen. All while trying to make the world see then add innocent. When Turkey crushes them and Russia moves in they are seen Assad some type of liberator. Russia is after one thing and that is control of the region allowing Assad to get control, and getting a trade route for iran. Russia gains a strategic position in the Baltic and Caspian seas. When they ate done with you, you will be begging for America to save you again. Russia destroys everything they touch.
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@angeladugal4078 first of all no one insulted you. Secondly your still on this russian kick, which he was found completely innocent of even by your own democrats with a 2 year long investigation. We can see you are ignorantly blind of the facts even discovered by your own party. You talk about debate, yet all you spew is the a typical democrat rhetoric. I am pretty sure your not even an american, by the way you speak. As usual, you refused to respond to anything I said at all, I addressed every point you made, not one sound from you. Just deflection after deflection! Did you enjoy the acquittal of all charges today? Yet another house democrat partisan which hunt, innocent of all charges. But I am sure people like you, will continue to harass our great president with more bogus partisan investigations. Wasting more and more tax payers money. You are foolish to believe that democrats are looking out for the american people, they couldn't even show americas heroes at the state of the union, any respect for their sacrifies. Nothing shown by democrats last night but hate and disrespect. Thank the Lord, the democratic party is fractured, broken and dead.
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@angeladugal4078 what does money have to do with Trump being a good president? Watch what he takes away? He hasn't taken anything away from anyone. What social and healthcare is he taking away, and I dont even know what you mean by social. Obama care has been a serious problem for americans, it was repealed on the basic issue americans were being fined insane amounts of money for not having the insurance through Obama care. It was a terrible program for those in the high side of low income. Its unconstitutional! The deficit is not Trumps fault, in fact his plan to deal with it are working. You really are clueless about what accomplishments he has made, I never said he was an angel or without issue. He has managed to save america billions of dollars by renegotiating trade deals, now he is working on reducing the amount of money we pay into military bases abroad, how much we contribute to the UN and NATO, how much we GIVE to other nations, he is bringing back manufacturing jobs and creating more new jobs, and so much more. Take a few days research it, and really learn what he has done before you just blast off the typical Democrats propaganda of Trump hate. You really need to open your eyes to what parties do what. Your crying about the defict, yet democrats are historically the most contributing factor to the deficit increase. People like you vote solely on emotion and social justice issues, without thinking about all the negative issues democrats cause in the economy and domestic issues. The idea you want more government, and expect the government to restrict your rights for the sake of the poor and irresponsible is mind boggling.
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dudeinaforeign holy liberal hippie douche bag. Guess what your little dream world is not how life works hippie. You talk about american being colonized, well the british did that not america. Slavery also a British thing. Plus that happened 400 years ago when it was socially acdeptable, which, means it wasn't wrong then. See social evolution occurs, and as we move through time we change our ideas on life. So then slavery was wrong and outlawed. I got news for hou even shithole countries like Nicaragua people need money. the people there are no happier then americans. If they were they wouldn't be trying to escspe and illegally enter the US. You are just another socialist progressive idiot who thinks being nice will make everything better. The reaility is, life is not fair, its not easy and its not supposed to be. I myself live a great life, i am happy, I have zero debt, I make a great living, I own my home. For me its perfect, and that is all that matters. If your life sucks that is your problem not mine and not anyone elses. This country is being destroyed because of hippie assholes like you. Grow up and come badk to reality.
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@4gui429 wish I would have saw this konths ago. First of all, without big corporations and their tax incentives, people would have no work. So politicians barter, beg and steal to get corporations into areas with high unemployment so that people can work. Creative accounting? Really? The government makes the laws for taxes, not creative accounting. As i said, without incentives corporation's and businesses would reduce worker capacity, leaving less citizens employed. But wait, you don't care about the worker, you only care about your moral compass. See you fail to understand one serious conception of reaility. There are far more poor in the world then rich and corporations, yet none of them ban together to elect officials who will create laws to protect their worker rights. Why is that? I was poor, my family could barely make ends meet. So I worked two even three jobs up till I was 24, to put myself and my family ahead. Now we all are doing well because of a sacrifice I made at a young age. Life is what you make of it, work hard and you will be rewarded. Period. Stopmtrying to be this progressive anti corporation nut job.
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@86Rosalina so your position, is that "regular people" cannot make their own success and richness, because a bunch of wealthy people have predetermined your outcome for you? In what society, have the wealthy NOT controlled economies and the means to make profit? We will wait, for your answer! You expect the normal average citizen to work, make a wage, but you don't want the capitalism that drives economic prosperity, because the wealthy get more wealthy. Let me ask, now did economic equality in the former USSR work out? People like the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Stalin, Fugger, Astor, Ford, Gates, Jobs,, and the Vanderbilt were the historical families of wealth, that rose to that level for simply being in the right place, at the right time in history. If you do not believe that, then explain what happen to Edison, Medici and thousands of people in the industrial age, that failed.
I understand your position on global wealth, I get the ideology that you have towards the success of wealth. One thing you fail to understand, or simply refuse to accept, is that without these wealthy historical powerful families profiting wealth, their would be no stable demand for workforces, no globalization, no economies. Families and workers could never maintain an average means of employment. In this model land owners, monarchs, would control the world and power, think about that for a second.
For every one wealthy historical figure in history that was successful, there are thousands who lost everything. This system has been a huge part of society and civilization since the beginning of man, from the silk road, to Twitter. Without the few entrepreneurs, industrialists taking the risk, the little people would never move up. Lets be real here the system isn't perfect, never has been and never will be, but it works, and it works fairly well. Don't believe that, then compare the historical change of the amount of people living in poverty, versus the median family income over the few thousand years, up to modern day. Neve in history, except right now, has the average person had so much opportunities to be as successful as anyone else, then right now.
You may not like the western societies that have all this wealth and power, but it is a necessary evil, required to move the average typical person forward in life. Having the power and wealth of a few hundred people, is good for the greater of all. Gloablism has brought millions upon millions of people out of poverty across the entire globe, it has brought monetary income to people who would still be bartering foods and service just to survive. That is far more moral and better for all.
I would have liked to have an open dialog with you, a debate of about the topic, but it seems more that your ideologies of the west, wealth and power are more of a conspiracy theory, then reality and understanding. Clearly a debate wouldn't open your mind to reality, simply because you have this insane view on civilization. If it wasent for the wests involvement in foreign and global affairs, there would only be economic prosperity in a dozen nations, while everyone else starts to death. The moral, ethical, and monetary side effects of the west, are far more beneficial to the average person around the world, then they are worst. The simple fact your ideologies and feelings that the west controls the world, steals any potential value for the average humane in the world. You refuse to see the entire picture for the greater good, over your obvious personal societal failures. Capitalism is what drives the future, monetary and technologically advancement makes opportunities for everyone, not just the west. I do hope that someday you realize the realities, are a necessary evil for the greater good.
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@username unknown First of all France is not part of any trend in Europe, you obviously know nothing about what is going on in France. You are just another person who assumes government is bad, and that all leaders in Europe are bad based on incorrect information more based on your opinion. In France, 800K violent protesters, all of which are unionized workers, protesting a pension reform bill that i far better for all of France especially woman and lower income citizens. The unions are fighting this because it will require citizens to work a few extra years to get a far better pension. Why does the union care? Because it takes pension control away from the corrupt unions and puts the power back to the people. Currently 76% of French citizens approve of the new proposed pension reform bill. Let that number sink in, because never do you ever see that kind of majority approval rating in politics. But the smallest minority of union workers are destroying Paris, destroying everyday life in France because of what? Their greed. You bring up Brexit as if it is a bad thing. First of all the majority of English citizens voted to leave the EU, and from an economic, immigration and business stand point Brexit is a very smart move for England. It brings back stability and worth of the sterling pound, gives English government and the people of England much more control over their own laws and country. How is Switzerland changing and restricting immigration a bad thing? How does that make the leaders of Europe bad? Every nation has the sovereign right to enforce immigration policies that protect the citizens of their country. You must be one of those open border socialists who feel the people should be given everything for free and allowed to roam any country without management of the sovereignty. Immigration restrictions are a good thing, they allow nations to let immigrants in under a managed and controlled policy so that citizen resources are not pushed to the breaking point. Switzerland has extremely limited social resources due to their population size, thus managing immigration is a necessity to insure a stable future for the citizens. So far you have not given one legitimate reason why European leaders are supposedly bad! Get your head out of your ass.
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@renaldoawes2210 first of all a NY Post article is not an article used for the purpose of debate as the NYP is completely a biased source. Yes the initial protests well over a year ago were due to an extradition law that the Hong Kong council was trying to pass. A million peacefull demonstrators came out against the bill, and eventually the Hong Kong council removed the bill from the books. That is where all these protests should have ended. But then about 10K students began to violently protest attacking police officers, damaging private and public property. Then these rioters escalated even more to attacking citizens, going as far as stoning someone to death and burning another person alive. If you think that is a jobless and just cause and action for a bunch of students trying to force political change, then you are the reason this world is in the condition it is. These students had 5 demands of which only one was legitimate. Being a protestor is one think, using violence and fear to force political change is terrorism to the legal definition. Because you think that a cause is worthy of protest doesnt mean using violence to accomplish it, is not worthy of prison sentences. The idea you stand behind terrorism over the rule of law explains a lot about you. And the idea you think my pro-China stance, which is not a pro-China stance is immoral and ignorant is absurd. With issues such as this, emotions and feelings are not the right traits and character to use in making these decisions and choices. They need to be made using logic and critical thinking. These students could have elected far more effective, less violent and safer methods of protest and accomplished far more quicker then using terrorism. You need to actually take time, read everything and learn about the entire situation before opening your ignorant mouth. Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese soil and ni amount of protesting will change that especially when you use violence. Dont give me the bullshit line they are fighting for freedom because Hong Kong is already a free capitalist society. You may not agree that china is a good country, but in all honesty they take care of their population far better then most western countries. In fact China is now more a socialist country then communist and are progressively moving into the future with much more concern about their society and culture. Just because you sit in some american house on the internet and debating foriegn matters freely doesnt mean the rest of the world should be the same way. Look how democracy has destroyed many of the middle eastern societies. You need to stop supporting terrorism and the use of violence and fear to force the change of people who do not want it.
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@Felipe-rt4dd you have a president he has a responsibility to keep chileans safe, that includes suppressing violent uprisings from children mad at the world. It's simple don't like him, vote him out, do not riot in the streets. If their is corruption secure the evidence to prove it, if police are setting fires video record it. None of that justifies violence, and to say it's only a few small groups doing the violence, we both know that is not true. People around the world simply want any little reason to protest, demonstrate or lash out at civilization. Your country has laws in place to remove a president, use them if it is that bad, but since you do not have evidence i guess you can't do that. There is no justification in rebelling against a sovereign government just because you are not happy anymore. Do not like it, then fix it, be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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@Felipe-rt4dd there you are wrong! If the police are doing something wrong video record it and post it on social media, on today's day and age you do not need the news, almost everyone has a cell phone, use it. Chile has the same problems so many countries around the world including the US have, you are not the only country with problems. There are also countries in far worst condition then chile, yet I do not see them using violent protests to make the world see them. Use the laws and your political system to make changes. Do not like the president, vote him out next election. Oh that's right only a small majority of chileans are protesting which means not everyone has the same views as the protestors do. With the way the world is going right now, protesting is overly dramatic and in most cases unwarranted. If you had any evidence of corruption it would have been brought out already. Using violence to convey your discourse with your president does not work, and brings zero attention to your cause. Plan walk outs, stop traffic, demonstrate at the capital, shut down ports, schools, etc., but do not use violence. I am sure your country has laws of when peaceful demonstration is allowed, the second your people became violent you lose all rights to lawfully gather and protest. That is why the military was brought in, not to just oppress your voice, but because you resorted to violence. In the end, your the reason why this all escalated. Blame yourselves not anyone else.
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@babepoon first of all, 5hat article is written by a well known anti-china reporter based in Hong Kong who is clearly biased. He did not offer any expert advise or comments, making the entire article an opt-ed piece that has no fact at all. It is completely subjective at best. Next, Hong Kong is soverign Chinese soil and as such, China should have some say, commincation in how Hong Kong conducts national or international business. Then, let's discuss how Hong Kong is one of the highest rated countries in regards to freedom and liberties, so exactly what is wrong with the existing aggremenet and relationship between HK and China? The US terminating the US HK agreement would not ge good for HK, as it would give China the necessary fuel to completely take over HK. What needs to happen is HK needs to stop the violent protests or allow the PLA to come in and secure law and order. Then Beijing should then allow HK to make its own internal decisions as long as they do not threaten the national security of HK or China, does not effect international trade or finance. See the real problem here, is HK protestors want independence, and they hope the international community would put enough pressure in them to make them rewrite the previous agreement. I have news for you, China is taking control in 2048, like it or not, it is going to happen. Nothing you, the terrorists, or any other government is going to stop. So keep on supporting terrorists in the streets of HK and eventually the PLA will come in and stop it all at any cost.
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@babepoon so now it's obvious you are very young, most likely a child. Secondly, HK currently has more autonomy, freedom and liberties then when they were under British rule. Next, HK is Chinese soverign soil and nothing can change that. Taiwan is also soverign Chinese soil and if they take it back good for them. I read the article, I am very knowledgeable in the entire HK protests and basic law issues. But none of that justifies the people becoming terrorists. Why did these terrorists kill two innocent people in the streets? HK has been doing very good since the handover. Yes, china mingles in some of HK's business and government, but as I said before. How can you not allow them to be involved in the regions politics. It doesn't matter if the people of HK are fed up with Beijing, because HK is rightfully China. Do you even know exactly what you're fighting for? Here is the thing, you kids are mad at your parents and grandparents for not trying to declare independence before the hand over. At that time, Hong Kong couldn't stand on their own, and right now they still can't. Hong Kong is extremely dependant on China for resources and revenue. If ALL the people are so fed up with China then stand up, arm yourself and fight them. If not then shut up. You have 28 years to go before China takes full control. If it was me, I would be working hard at making my society make it worth china wild to leave Hong Kong alone. Beef up the financial district so much that a China control would coast them lots of money. China will not even be a socialist country in 2048. They are becoming more and more a capitalist society. What does coronavirus have to do with HK China relations. Listen kid, china is never going to let HK have independence, ever, so just learn to accept it, or leave Hong Kong and move to another country.
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@areuaware6842 first of all stop using the term Abrahamic because I think you are confused about its meaning. So your take on this is that because the Koran and people from the old testament were alleged child sex trafficker you feel and executive order to fight human trafficking is worthless. First of all their isn't one ounce of evidance that the stories in the Koran or the bible are even true. Secondly there is not one ounce of evidance showing there was child sex trafficking. If you were to have said something about minors forced into marriage, you might have a foot to stand on, but that's not what you said. Youmare obviously a Christian that is very prejudice of any religion from the middle east, especially the Muslim faith. None of your prejudices have anything to do with the topic of this video. You act as if Christian's didnt marry, have relations or sex with minors or prostitutes in the past. Every religion, society and culture in their history has had forced, arranged marriages of minors. Every one, so get off your high almighty horse.
Now in the US the condition protects religion and our right to choice the religion we wish to practice. Saying the executive order is worthless unless you ban the muslim or jewish faith is simply a false statement. In fact, most human trafficking cases in the United States are from the illegal Hispanic culture from the southern border, and smuggling of asian into the west coast who are put into servitude. Muslim human trafficking into the US is extremely low, so much that I would say im is insignificant.
You are obviously a Christian extremist who is severely prejudice of any other religion, in fact I would call you a racist and basically a crazy person, but that is my opinion. You are definitely not an american or a patriot.
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Stanley Goddard I don't take the issue seriously, why? Because until such time the international community can force or hold countries such as China, India, Russia, Malaysia and Vietnam responsible for their insane portion of pollution, any part on our end is negated by their lack of work. China and India alone are responsible for 44%of greenhouse gases. Malaysia, Vietnam, India and African nations are responsible for the largest contributions to the plastics floating around the ocean. Hey climate hippies will protest and demonstrate in the US, UK, Germany and Australia, all countries making the most contribution to climate change. If all these passionate protestors and climate change freaks were truly passionate and truly wanted to make a positive changefor the environment. They would protest every Chinese, Indian, Malaysian and Vietnam operation around the globe to force the most polluting nations to make changes. But see hippies would never be passionate enough to lose their freedom by being arrested in day China. The problem is not America, UK, Germany or Australia. The problem is with countries the UN and other world organizations do not have any control over. Stop being the lamb!
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@JudithSanchez-ht6jn what about the poor, the disabled, the hard working, blah, blah, blag. You act as if those things do not happen in every nation in the world. News for you, it does! Even in America they have homeless and poor. These are not economic traits solely in Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Iraq, Lebanon, Hong Kong. They are things every developed nation and third world country around the globe experience. Your socialist ideology that the government works and protects the people is a blind and ignorant way of living. Being so far left like yourself goes against any normal human behavior at life and liberty. As humans we should all want government in our lives as little as possible, as little in taxes as possible, we shouldn't want government micro managing our lives. We should be able to work and live our lives our way. Besides national defense, law and order, economics, and international trade and agreements that is the only time government should be in our lives. Demanding free health care, demanding government involvement in every aspect of your life is a sign of laziness and the willingness not to work hard. If you cannot manage to take care of simple things i.v your life like healthcare, work and providing for yourself and your family maybe you shouldn't be on YouTube begging. Socialism never worked anywhere in the world stop trying to get everything for free.
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@stepsvideos My concern is not markets. MY issue is with citizens who rebel violently because they do not like their situation. Hong Kong is the perfect example of this, as they are the 9th top city to be living in job wise, pay wise, quality of life, etc., and here these children began protesting against a law that allowed the prosecution of a murder. But because Hong Kong citizens feared being sent to the mainland for breaking laws. They protested with violence to force the governments hand. So here we are the law was taken off the books and still they violently protest. For what? There is no rebellion leader, no organization for them to demand changes or to let the world know what they are protesting. China is a communist country, that is prospering and the majority of Chinese citizens are fine with the current government and what they have accomplished. Now you have these millennials using violence against Hong Kong and the PRC because what, they do not want to be part of China? Hong Kong has been part of China for hundreds of years, and was under British rule for 99 years under a lease agreement with china. So to say that Hong Kong does not want communism is a mute topic. China will never give up Hong Kong, and under the letter of the law Hong Kong is China. If more then half of the people of Hong Kong and half the people of china no longer wanted communism that is a different subject. What these protesters do not understand is they are asking for rights under the basic law theory in HK that already exist. They are simply protesting now just to protest and to try and drive international support for independence. The HK people want complete universal suffrage which by the letter of the laws of HK and the PRC they have. They just do not like the idea the PRC has some say in who is elected. None of this matters considering 27 years from now China takes full control of Hong Kong. There is no independence for HK, in fact the PRC may be forced to intercede sooner then 2047 if the HK council cannot regain control. The PRC could use these protests as a national security issue, if the protesters border being terrorist. As the PRC has an obligation and responsibility to maintain sovereignty and their national security. China's system of socialism and communism works for China and the people of China. Just because you fear communism, doesn't mean it is wrong. The people of Hong Kong are chinese citizens like it or not. And unless the HK protesters figure out a way to make Hong Kong an assets to china under a capitalist system, it will revert to full china control in 2047. These children and thugs need to see the bigger picture.
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@kech0722 if I would have told you where you were wrong, I would have done so? Really? I would say it was more that your senseless comment was not worth the time. But now that you still feel your senseless comment was right. First, you cannot use the societies from other parts of the world as a precursor to gun violence in america. Social norms and cultural differences especially between Asia and america are so vastly different. Asia is not and never was a gun society, in fact most asian countries guns are banned and asian laws are a lot more harsh for a person found in possession of a gun. America, guns are a constitutionally protected activity, meaning the government cannot take them away or ban them. Cultural differences in asia for countries like japan, china, South Korea, etc. Place more value on individual lives then most americans do. Look at the suicide rates in asia versus america, that shows you how much cultural differences impact data from two different parts of the world. So exactly how were you an idiot? Simple basing data from two different cultures to prove anoint that in all honesty has no comparison. There is no other country or culture that has the society America has to compare data and statistics with. So, yes, your comment was idiototic.
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It's going to be interesting to see how this democratic primarynismgoing to turn out. My opinion, Bernie will be on top most of the race, but very close. The DNC is not ready to support a self identified democratic socialist, neither does traditional democrats. So I feel the DNC will use the power of the superdelegates to sway the nomination into Bidens side basically stealing the nomination from Bernie. Almost the same thing they did in 2016 to Bernie. Now how does that help Trump? Because Bernie supporters are mostly angry millenials, that when their canidate isn't chosen, they will simply not vote, and that is what gave Trump his win. But now, Biden has lost so much support that given the chance against Trump, even traditional democrats will choice Trump edging a win for the GOP. Now Trump verse Bernie, that is even a better race for Trump because the majority of america neither wants or is ready for a radical socialist reform, so Trump wins against Bernie by a landslide. In my opinion, Trump has all the boxes checked for a reelection win, he is the incumbent, his base is very very strong and faithful, the economy is booming and no one wants to mess with any of it. I predict a 60% trump win.
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@ricardobarahona3939 there is no justification for waisting this kind of money for drones over education that is far more important. News flash, drones are not that good yet at flying supplies to far reaching areas. Drones that would, wouldn't be built by some kid in the middle of no where Africa. And neither should these kids be piloting drones big enough to say, I don't know a bomb to some embassy. There is no regulations on drone flight in these countries, no safety regulations, none of these towns, cities or nations can even afford to buy drones. It is a complete waste of money, these kids should be going to school to be doctors, engineers, designers, chemists, trades that will positively affect their people.
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Goka Gola Lebanon had been rocked by terrorism since the 1980's, Hezbollah is based, based not as bad Assad some others. The problem with countries like Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc is they ate not a society built to be democratic. What do I mean? In the middle east their is sectarian divide between groups of the same religion. This builds discord and indifference, and neither side will make Room for what is right and wrong if it means going against their sect. SSI these corrupt governments and political figures are free to do as they please because the people are too busy fighting amongst themselves. In the middle east, throw out religion and some of these countries could be great countries. I understand and expect a issue between Muslim and Christian, Muslim and Jewish, but why there are problems between Sunni, Shiites and Kurdish I will never understand it. I have seen all to much the abuse and violence between Shiites and Sunni, they would literally kill each other, and the governments play off that keeping you all to busy fighting each other. As an outsider I will never expect the middle east to ever take care of itself, I will never believe theirs cries about corrupt governments, or terrible economies because it is impossible to tell which side is telling the truth. Until such time that the sectarian problems ate removed freon the Muslim religion it will be the same problems month after month. Look at Iraq, a country torn by sectarian violence for over 60 years, and for the sake of their well being they still cannot put aside indifference right now to fix the problem in their country. Stop blaming the government and the world for problems you refuse to fix yourselves.
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@j_hxy2376 look another fine human being, coming to an intellectual conversation unarmed. First of all, the majority of Lebanese people do not feel the same way, I would say it's almost evenly split. Secondly, no media outlets shows the context of the violence erupting, when in fact the protestors start the violence usually by throwing rocks and other objects at police and security forces. In the violent protests in Lebanon has already been documented that protestors started the violence. Is there peaceful demonstrations in lebanon, sure there is. But this particular video shows civilian violence. Now why did I call them terrorists? Because a terrorists is any person that uses violence, the treat of violence or fear in order to force a political change. These people are using violence to force political change, they are lawless protestors using violence and fear to force a political change in the government and the economy, that is a terrorist, you can deny that all you want, but the definition of a terrorist ie factual and the truth. Let's not forget the history of terrorism in Lebanon, so to say I am wrong is ludicrous. Now telling me to keep my thoughts to myself defeats some of the demands these terrorists are looking for freedom of speech. Just because someone has a different opinion then yours, doesnt mean they are right or wrong, nor does it mean you should be oppressing someone's opinion and speech. I can see you are emotional, lack zero critical thinking skills, rude and immature. And thatmismthe real reason why your country is in such turmoil because the mass population is made up of people like you that condone the use of violence to force change. Instead of finding smart people to fix the real problems. Grow up!
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@j_hxy2376 j_hxy 237 you checked my account, well thank you for stalking my channel, and because i support trump means what exactly? By the way never assume anything. You have no idea what my ideologies are. Yes I do know what going on in Lebanon! Lebanon is not the only hot spot in the world allegedly fighting for the same ideas. Right now Lebanon, Iraq, Clumbia, Chile are all,using violence for the same issues. You mention 30 years of politicians ruling the country, well of course politicians govern, that's their job. Woke up? Woke up to what? You act as if these issues of unemployment, taxes being raised, alleged corruption, water, sanitation, medical aid, etc. Are not issues that all third world countries are experiencing right now. The fact is the middle east is heading into a recession, unemployment is rampant in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Oman and others in fact the average unemployment rate in the middle east is 28.4% in lebanon it is 25% better then the regional average. Now, the people who seem to be violently protesting the most are the Lebanese youth, those 25 and younger, because they cannot find work. News flash, youth unemployment around the globe is on the rise, lebanon isn't anything special. Why? Because the modern youth are not being responible and taking studies that are in demand, they choice studies that are attractive tomthem without thinking about jobs after university. Those in trades have better employment in lebanon then those studying obscure subjects. This is an issue everywhere in the world right now. Here is something to think off, after Kadafi is the real reason why your nation is in this position. Your nation democratically elected its leaders, and now that your voting decisions didnt work out, you want to use violence and terror to force them out. Them when they are replaced, you still arent happy and then turn to terrorism. So now Diab is in control, and you still arent happy. None of you people understand how economics works! Just because you change the head of government unemployment isn't just going to go away. The violence and terror these protestors use creates instability, that instability scares away investors and ultimately creates more unemployment. Your country is in a full blown recession, and terrorism and changing government leaders isn't going to change that. You must remember, you are a third world country, who is recovering from 30 years of civil war. It just doesnt fix itself over night. In regards to your thugs comment, as I said, there is documentation and evidance that the violence began with protestors attacking people in the streets and attacking police. Once protestors and demonstrations turn violent, the police cannot just turn away, they ,just use force to regain civility in the streets. The protestors were throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, and other weapons, somewhat the police shouldnt use force? This is the typical behavior and attitude from left wing citiznes demanding change. I see from your words, your attitude, you are one of the 37% unemployed youth. I can also see you are not educated and have no understanding of economics and global politics. Or you wouldn't be saying the things you are saying, you are using emotions and not logical thoughts. My opinion does matter, because what the outside world sees and perceives in your country and your people effect investment and stability. But you are foolish to not see that. You say terrorist isn't someone who just uses violence, you are so wrong, a terrorist is someone or a group of people who use violence or fear to force political change. Attacking people in the streets, using violence against the police and citizens to force head of government to resign, to force other people intompositions, demanind political change is the definition of "terrorists". Let's not forget the 30 years of Kadafi which was nothing but terrorism. It's safe to say, violence is the only thing the people of lebanon understand. If your society is so fed up with the government, then vote them out. Get the people you want to head the government and elect them. But now your gonna tell me, elections do not work, they are corrupt, they are fixed, etc. That is always the answer from left wing millennials like yourself. No one ever said Lebanese were dumb, and what your nations education level is has nothing to do with american population and culture, you are so clueless. So your saying Americans are Patriots? Now I know your clueless. What does living near your family, eating healthy and not being dicks have anything to do with what is going on in your country? You are very immature almost childish, you are obviously under educated, most likely unemployed and very blind to the realities of life. Your country is better then the majority of most other third world countries, yet your people are using violence in the streets, this is what happens when liberalism takes control of the youth. You expect the government is supposed to give you everything on a silver plate. My main concern is not how President Trump will be reelected, this comment from you shows me the level of immaturity you have, how blind and simply useless you are. If you are the future of your nation, I am afraid it's going to get much worst for your country. So much so, you are on the same path as Iraq. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and create solutions, not more problems.
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@j_hxy2376 oh my the blind foolish ignorance of the young is tremendously underrated. So you actually want to debate a topic you seem to think has nothing to do with me, as you say "I dont live there". Well let's first debate the idea if it is any concern of mine. First fact, during the 30 years of civil war, your country was the epicenter of terrorism and anti-American rhetoric, resulting in a financial lockdown of internaional support from the US. Hezbollah's strong position in your country made getting financial assistance outside your own country almost impossible. Even Saudi Arabia has on numerous occasions offered to help. But it seems Hezbollah refuses to drop its Iranian support forcing your government to stick to internal bank loans. Now, people such as your parents who actually create the problem have made Lebanon an important dependent nation. Combined with a 150% debt to GDP ration, that makes you one of the highest debted nations in the entire world. Without viable exports to offset growing interest rates, your government is forced to reduce services to it's people, forced to stop infrastructure upgrades, and unable to pay simple maintenance and upkeep costs. As such, your regional environment is completely disgusting and uncalled for. Dont point blame at me, as I have nothing to do with the terrible decisions and choices your parents made, and the people in your own communities and cities. It seems the issue in Lebanon is the complete lack of entrepreneurship in manufacturing and investment that reduces your GDP along with the ridiculously high import rates. Your countries problems go back a lot further then 30 years ago. This is not a problem that erupts from one generation to the next, this is problem that sprung up from the end of WWII to now. Not to mention how much damage the Syrian refugees have burdened your already dead economy. In my opinion, your country is right on the verge of becoming a failed state such as Venezuela, and cannot even think about moving forward in a positive direction until Hezbollah is completely shut down. But see your grandparents and your parents made such a haven for them that it is impossible to remove them. You reap what your grandparent sow! Dont bark at me, the US, the EU for your problems, because no one but Lebanon is responible for your internal mismanagement. Do not wait for your country to get to the point of self destruction to fix problems. You want someone to blame, go talk to your grandparents and blame them, yellmat them form destroying your life and your future. The only answer your people come up with, is violence and terrorism the streets. That never solves anything! Now here you are, dumping trash in your mountains and water ways, no electric, no fire department, no economy, so far in debt your country will never get out. And the best you come up with is use violence. Removing your government, replacing them is not going to fix the problem, I am afraid your country is a lost cause. You wanted a debate, you wanted the cause, easy, it's you and your people, no one else caused this. So what's your plan? Your going to use violence to do what? Overthrow your government and elect new people who still will not be able to fix the problem. The IMF and other nations will not come to your aid, because you are already too far in debt. Your protesting because of unemployment and harsh living conditions, well who'd fault is that? You made your bed, now it's time to sleep in it. Like I said, even if you brought the best politician into lead your country, it cannot get better because no one will lend to your country, your economy is dead, and you are all to dependent on imports. You have zero to offer to anyone outside your country in return for financial assistance. Unless you all remove Hezbollah it will never change, but with 50% of your country muslim I dont see that ever happening. So good luck and remember violence isn't going to solve anything for Lebanon. If you really want to do something,figure out how to reduce your nations debt. That is the key to your future.
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@j_hxy2376 listen kid, dont blame the US for any of your problems. And dont dare call me racist, I am the furthest thing from racist, you do not know me. I said it would be highly difficult if not impossible to remove Hezbollah because of their iranian support and because of a 50% population. If the Christian's tried to removed Hezbollah it would be civil war all over again. I'm not being racist I am just telling the reality of the truth. Take it or leave it. If the IMF bailed you out, at the numbers you need, you would no longer be a country, you would be completely owned by a bank. Your debt will destroy your nation no matter who you put in the head of the government. Your not going to see that money that was taken. This is only the beginning of the problem, and with what's going on in Syria, and if Iran gets a hold in Iraq. Your would is going to become very very bad. I think iran and russia are going to destabilize the entire region from Iran to Lebanon. As I said, you maid your bed, now it's time to sleep in it,
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@Striker50_ awl look a triggered little entitled pos! Whoever said school,was $13.75? No one. Grow up little boy. Students apply for prestigious schools because it looks better on a resume, not because of their library and lab rooms. SMH! Did you receive the same education, yes. Then pay your dam tuition and s5op looking for handouts. The entire country is making sacrifices, so should you and other students. I can see receiving housing back, meal programs and maybe even lab costs. But tuition should still be paid and no refunds for tuition. To answer your question, a roof over your head is not even remotely the same as classes you pay for that you are getting. You paid for education, credits, and course curriculum. And you received, what you paid for, just in a slightly different form factor. Its all your fault, you made the choice to go to a big name school. Now you want a refund, for classes you chose, to a school you chose, even tho you received the same level of education from that school. Here you go, take your refund and let the school not credit you the classes. Then wait till the schools physically open again to retake the classes. Be honest and fair, you don't pay, you don't get the results of completion.
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@yopyop3241 you fail to see the point! Neither HK, China, or me care about the democratic elections of the chief executive or the other council members. Hong Kong has never in its history elected their governor/ chief effective, again never in history. So why would they demand it now? Since the Sino-British agreement china has always picked a group of candidates to be elected by the people. Hk had the ability to pick 50% of the council. This has been the agreement since day one, and was never an issue before. Let's be perfectly fair and honest here, Hong Kong is Chinese sovereign territory and nothing will ever change that. Especially a bunch of violent anarchists hurting and killing people and destroying private and public property. The bottom line here is Hong Kong is in a recession and quickly getting worst, china is basically letting Hong Kong burn to the ground before stepping in. They are waiting for the point at which they can declare Hong Kongs econony and stability are a threat to national security. Then and only then will they move into Hong Kong. Of the 5 demands only investigations into police brutality are fair to demand. But I wouldn't expect that to change, because police brutality is a problem in every nation even america. Demanding democratic elections for the council is completely unreasonable as it was never an option before, as I said bottom line HK is China. The demand for amnesty for arrested protestors is absolutely ridiculous, why should any government give amnesty to criminals? They shouldn't, if they did what would the sense of having law? Universal suffrage will not happen, they may agree to relax some of it but never give it completely and honestly its not worth demanding as other far more important issues should be addressed. Ad far as demanding protestors not be classified as rioters, that is just childish, when in fact they should be labeled terrorists because now they are condoning and performing extreme violence such as burning a man alive, attacking citizens, destroying infrastructure, etc., they are bestowing fear into people and the government, that us the definition of terrorist. And of course the the extradition bill has already been withdrawn, so that is taken care of. In eccesnse these violent street thugs are demanding independance, in my opinion, even if Hong Kong gave in and accepted all the demands, these protestors would still be protesting because their real goal is independence.
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@yopyop3241 what you fail to understand is that Hong Kong has never been democratic, not even under british rule. Not once in history have the Hong Kong people voted for their governor/chief executive. You act as if this democracy you speak of is inherently a right to the people of Hong Kong. It is not! In 2047 when China takes complete control of Hong Kong then what happens to your so called democracy? Hong Kong is a communist/socialist society, period. One country, two systems only works to a certain extent. Just because Hong Kong is a capitalist society does not mean it should and must be a democracy. So as I said a thousand times, HK has never had democracy why is it now, a necessity? Hong Kong was never promised a democracy, they were given the option of selecting 50% of the council seats, and that is as far as it has ever gotten. Tell me exactly what accomplishment does Hong Kong make by being democratic in the entire council? Exactly what will change? Because as I see it, nothing would change. Taxes, social services, public transportation, education, police, fire, EMS, etc., would all be the same. This is the exact reason why I say this is more of an independance from.china issue then anything else. The irony that you say Hong Kong supports the one country two systems idea, yet the protests started over an extradition law that would cover criminals being extradited to china, and other countries for breaking the law. So how does opposing a law that brings law breakers to justice supporting one country two systems? Here is the deal, Hong Kong loves being part of the china machine when it is good for them, but they do not want the bad parts of communism. Wonder why that is? The basically want their cake and be able to eat it to. That is not how life works. I personally hope that these violent escalations help label these protestors as terrorists so that the PLA can move into Hong Kong regain control and let Hong Kong try to regain its composer and get their economy under control. By the way, I really do not care what polls you use, because all of them are skewed to lean towards the Hong Kong people, at most only a 100 surveys are done out of 7.4 million people from the university of Hong kong a completely biased institute. So stop using them, they are not accurate, remotely. The people of Hong Kong are lucky to have the system they have, and yet they are violently protesting against everything that gives them what they have, demanding more freedom and democracy in a country that does not allow democracy. You say HKers are happy being with China, then why are they fighting it? Sorry but you do not get the best of both worlds. All this fight for democracy that they lose in 27 years....
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@yopyop3241 How is what happens in 2047 irrelevant? It is 100% relevant to what is going on right now. Why? Because these violent student protesters are making demands they never had before, for a democratic voice in a government that will disappear in 27 years. How can an extension of "one country two systems" even be possible? You are senseless in that comment. The Sino-British agreement ends in 2047, China will never agree to an extension, why would they? They want complete control of Hong Kong which is well within their rights, as Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese soil. Why you are bringing up UK and Bermuda? Hong Kong does not have any association with the UK, so why would you try and compare HK to Bermuda? I think what your trying to say, and I am probably wrong, because it would be ridiculous. Is that, Hong Kong's lease to England should be extended and renewed, so that Hong Kong would not be under China rule. I do hope that is not what you're trying to say. Here is the bottom line, and you keep failing to see the reality of the situation. Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese territory, nothing is going to change that. Two, Hong Kong never had complete democracy in the election of their political heads of government, Never! Three, Hong Kong looses the "two systems, one country" model in 27 years. The original protests started over an extradition law, that has now been withdrawn. The 5 demands of Hong Kong student protesters are ridiculous, immature and childish. Except maybe the police brutality investigations, but even then I highly doubt anything will happen with that because police brutality cannot occur when citizens are using violence against the government. Other then that, the demands are senseless, and just some kind of last ditch act to work towards some type of independence from China. In reality, why would you be using violent protests, destroying property, hurting and killing innocent people, for a chance to simply elect your chief executive. It makes no sense, unless your hope is to elect officials that would favor some type of independence from China. What does Hong Kong gain be having complete democratic elections for all government seats? Do you honestly think that will change the idea that China is putting some type of pressure on Honk Kong? Will it miraculously take away all these students issues? Will these students gain some type of freedom from these elections? As I have said before, there is no end game for these violent students and their protests. Even if Hong Kong met all their demands, they would still be protesting, why? Because they want complete freedom from China, and that just isn't nor should it happen. IF Hong Kong wanted independence and freedom from China, they should have fought for it in 1997, not 2020. You keep talking in possibilities, thats not how this works!
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@yopyop3241 As I have said to you before, what does Hong Kong gain by having 100% complete democratic control of the entire HK government? What do you think these newly democratically elected heads of state would accomplish that cannot be accomplished now? In what way is the exiting HK government NOT doing for the people of HK. How much do you think a newly elected government would change in such a manner that justifies violence to your own community and your own people? The problem is that you and these supporters cannot see the entire picture, there is no gain by having complete democratic elections. You might get a few police investigations, maybe a few cops fired. That is it, the HK government isn't going to stop or change the recession they are slipping into. They are not going to magically increase wages. they are not going to change social welfare programs. In fact as I have said numerous times, nothing will change by electing their own heads of state. Their only end game goal is total independence from China, by having pro democracy government that they would hope would support independence and possibly find international support to help them achieve it. As I said before, HK being completely independent is not economically or financially possible for Hong Kong. They would need some type of state assistance from another nation such as England. That can not happen, legally or politically. So as I have said to you numerous times, which you refuse to answer, is what does any of the demands change?
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@yopyop3241 you still have failed to answer the question I keep asking you. What does Hong Kong gain by a complete democracy regarding electing their government leaders? Your only response to that is referencing police brutality. As I said, police brutality is a problem in every country, and to sit there eir and say that protestors were labeled rioters is subjective at best. The definition of a protestor is a person who publicly demonstrates strong objection to something. A rioter is is someone who takes part in a brawl or a violent disturbance. And a terrorist is a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. In my opinion, the opinion of every dictionary and law book in the world, the current Hong Kong protestor is in fact a terrorist. Labeling a violent protestos as rioters is fair and objective. If any Hong Kong citizen uses violence in any manner through physical violence to people or property they should be arrested and charged as such. In reality, the majority of protestors arrested are rioters, there may be a handful of people who were not violent and could be classified as a protestor. These violent students lost all support and benefit of the doubt when they began using violence. Throwing rocks, stones, bricks or any other object at police is violent. Intentionally destroying private or public property either the intention to persuade a political agenda is also a rioter. The idea these students are involved in and condoning violence for a political gain makes them a terrorist. Trying to force a government system that was never a democracy into a democracy is the definition of political gain under the disguise as terrorism. These students go even further by violating emergency laws regarding face covers and violating curfew hours. You can try and defend and justify these violent thugs actions all you want, but the very laws they are protesting for are the same laws that label them as rioters. Live by the sword, die by the sword as the famous quote goes. The minute these protestors first used violence they are no longer protestors. Look at the LA Riots in america in 1992, they were riots not protests, and they are the same exact thing that is currently going on in Hong Kong. So in what way are these violent student protestors not committing an act of riot or terrorism? At this point with the death of two innocent civilians by protestors, if I was the HK central government I would start charging them all as terrorists. There is no amount of stats or data you can provide that justifies violence or justifies these protests. In all honesty police brutality is not a reason to be destroying your own city and hurting people. There are far more appropriate times and places to act about police brutality. Look at america nothing good ever came from violent protests over police brutality. You cannot violate HK laws in order to protest police brutality. Other then then police brutaility the other 4 demands are senseless. Just because the police use force to control unruly and unlawful citizens in the streets who have shown violent tendencies does not mean it is police brutality.
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@yopyop3241 you mention, " With democracy, HKers gain the protection from the excesses that the current HK government has inflicted on the people of HK". How does democracy protect the people of Hong Kong from alleged police brutality? Do you honestly believe because HK elected their own chief executive that police brutaility or corruption would cease to exist? Democracy does not affect the enforcement of law, it affects the ideology of those represented. Democracy gives citizens the right to vote and elect officials that fall online with the morals and beliefs of the people. Things such as criminal law, finance, foreign affairs, social welfare, education are topics that democracy affects. Electing a candidate because they believe education should be a universal right is democracy. The people electing a head of state based on promises of economic improvement, government transparency, anti corruption, etc., are the curtails of democracy. If police brutality is the problem then these violent students should be demanding the police chief be fired, demanding use of force training for officers, demanding a citizen led council for police oversight. They are the things HK people should be demanding. As I said, Hong Kong has never in its history had complete democracy, not even under british rule. Not in the Sino-British agreement or under the HK basic law articles guarentee's universal suffrage. So demanding complete democracy under "one nation two systems" is ludicrous. In the end China has the final say, as they should, as HK is sovereign Chinese soil. But under the agreement china cannot effectively take total control of Hong Kong till 2047. China is playing this entire situation with HK and the protestors perfectly. They simply refuse to respond to the situation, and the HK government will just stick to their stance of not providing any of the demands. This stance of no action will just force the protestors to either quit or escalate. If they escalate they risk destroying their cities economy, infrastructure and self identity. Eventually the economy and the violence will get so bad that the central government will need PLA assistance to regain control of the city and Hong Kong will be under marshal law. In the end all these protestors are doing is destroying Hong Kong and the culture. Believe me China has no problems waiting till 2047 at which time they will then crush anyone in it's way. These violent criminal street thugs are destroying what is left of Hong Kong and inamnjust sitting here eating my sandwich and enjoying my beer watching them do it.
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@yopyop3241 you keep repeating the same thing over and over as if it is nothing more then a scripted ideology. Your data, your polls and statistics are meaningless in a country such as China and Hong Kong. Why? Because neither of those places are a democracy, and never were. You go on as if Hong Kong citizens have some kind of inalienable right to democracy. Of which you have failed time after time in explaining what would change in Hong Kong if they got total democracy. Your best and only response was police brutality, and as I said police brutality is not a legitimate reason to use violent protests to force change. Try answering these simple questions, what economic improvement would be gained by complete democracy in Hong Kong? The answer to that is, nothing! The Hong Kong market might stabilize slightly, and I doubt that would even happen. Businesses and financial establishments are beginning their exile from Hong Kong as we speak due to the violence and because of the fear of a chinese incursion into everyday HK life. Democracy would not positively or negatively affect HK foriegn matters of state because china is responsible for defense and foriegn matters. Democracy would not bring any positive movement in the regions GDP or index's. Democracy will not stabilize the region enough to prevent their downward spiraling recession. Democracy will not improve living conditions as the majority of HK people have moderately healthy and well off living. Democracy would create anymore or less financial divide between classes. Democracy will not change, make better or worst of any and all social programs. In fact total democracy in Hong Kong woukd accomplish zero in comparison to the existing system. You obviously know I am strangely correct, or you would have answered my questions long ago. You think that because Hong Kong people are entitled to some type of self-determination , and that is so far from the reality. Hong Kong is not entitled to any type of statehood or alliances with any foreign power, they are not even entitled to democracy. Now I would agree with you that maybe HK could revolt towards democracy and away from socialist/communist ways if over half of the mainland citizens were fighting for democracy, but that is not the case. And as you said yourself, Hong Kong is not fighting the "one nation two systems" theory, of which I believe that opinion to be wrong. Fighting for democracy in Hong Kong accomplishes nothing, it is not even an efficient manner to make positive changes in Hong Kong. These rioters, have lost the ability to see the much larger picture, in that they should be demanding more important necessities such as independent review boards for police brutality, citizen review boards, they should be finding ways to stabilize and strengthen the Hong Kong business machine. They should be finding ways to make Hong Kong an even more impressive global financial center. Why? Because making Hong Kong the center of the financial and global shipping capital forces Chinas hand at leaving Hong Kong a capitalist society after 2047. But see these children cannot see a block ahead of them, they only see the 3 feet in front of their ignorant eyes. It would be far more advantageous to the people of Hong Kong to make their city a lit more notable in the business world, inviting stability to secure further business growth, because that growth and global power would be the only thing to save HK from the total control from china. Also let's clear the air, Hong Kong is the 9th best city/region to live and work in the world. HK citizens have leisure and freedoms that the majority of the world does not have. Yet here they are demanding some of the most ignorant concessions from the council. Places like the Congo, and other African nations, most of south america and eastern European nations have a lot less and are in a lot more grave situations then the people of HK. Yet students, kids, radicals, and plain out terrorists are destroying their own city, and it's people and for what? So again, I ask you what does Hong Kong gain by having complete democracy? Let's say that the council agrees to universal suffrage, but not to the other 3 demands, would that stop the protests? Would it stop the violence? And finally would it change Hong Kongs current financial and economic troubles? If China was more like North Korea, I would most likely agree with you, because that is a failed communist system that is letting down its people. China technically labeled communist, but in reality more socialist, is in good condition, the people are prospering, cared for, educated, the society is more balanced then other socialist countries. So I am not sure where you get the idea that Hong Kong would be wort off under total Chinese rule, besides the idea of complete freedom. As I have said, there is no reason for these students to be using violence to force change, that is an act of terrorism. By the way, if even half of the HK population supported these children in the streets there would still be a million people protesting in the streets, but now there is barely 10K people protesting. That alone tells me these children do not have the support of their fellow HKers, and with the increased violence from these terrorists they are losing international support by the day. They cannot even elect a few leaders to sit down with the council and negotiate. Unorganized, immature, inexperienced, under educated, and violent... a receipt for sister.
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@yopyop3241 you lost this battle a long time ago. You still refuse to answer my question, why? Because you know the answer hurts your debate and the cause. Demonstrations of citizens exercising their opinion in regards to their government is a civic responsibility and duty of the people. Protesting, rioting, violence and terrorism are NOT! These radical students lost any rights or support the second they chose violence over morality. Destroying private and public property in their own communities only hurts themselves and their neighbors. Hownisnthatblooking out for the best of the people? I would be more kind to agree with you if let's say 2 or 3 million Hong Kong citizens were in the streets peacefully protesting, but there isn't even 10K people in the streets anymore. I adore how you keep bringing up historical events, when the fact is society learns from histories mistakes. You think the Chinese people will have to face justice of some type at some point? Justice for what? Just because you think China is so terrible doesnt mean the rest of the world does, it is your opinion. I only speak of truth and reality. Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese soil, fact. Universal suffrage IS NOT an entitlement of the HK basic law, fact. Society does not bend its wheels of justice to the demand of terrorists, that is fact. So violent protestors, criminals, do not get to tell society what laws they have and have not broken and what they will be charged with. Police brutaility in Hong Kong is no worst then in america, do you see Americans burning down buildings, attacking and killing people because of it? No you don't. Hong Kong has never had universal suffrage and they never will, nor should they. You want one nation two systems then you have to allow the one nation to have some say or representation in the autonomous region. Even the British didn't allow the people of HK to vote for the governor, and that was while they were taxed. So stop crying this river that Hong Kong and the people are entitled to this and that, because they aren't. Your unwillingness to see that tells me you are unwilling to listen to reason and logic. And only make your opinions and decisions based on emotions, emotions and feelings on politics only gets people killed. Here is the bottom line, HK students want independence, they are not entitled to independence, if they are not happy, then leave HK. China is doing the right thing, they are simply ignoring the problem, and will let these kids burn Hong Kong to the ground. And here you are saying they are influencing everything in HK, when the truth is they are doing nothing. Even if they were, they are one nation! Again, I ask you, what does Hong Kong and it's people gain by democratically electing the chief executive?
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@Ahmed-tf9bd oh i adore people like you, I really do. It does amaze me how foolish and naive liberals like you can be. Even Obama said he lost millions of jobs that would never come back to the US. Funny because within 6 months of Trump being elected they were coming back, they even met with Trump before he took office. It is so cute how angry, intolerant and hateful people like you are. Obama and Biden accomplished zero in eight years, there only legacy was one of the most failed health insurance scams of the century. Trump has accomplished more in 3 years then Obama and Biden did in 8. The best part is when you lefties yell about Trump and his handling of the pandemic, and then turn around when he does try to do anything. The typical response from you people, is its state rights to handle the pandemic. And 5 seconds later your demanding federal aid and assistance. Trump has still won re-election, because even most liberals refuse to vote for Biden, moderates cannot stand Biden, corporate America knows better then to vote for Biden and noe the national police officers association has endorsed Trump. Hate him as much as you want, but get use to him in office because he has another four more years. All because the DNC can't even keep their own party in order.
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@Ahmed-tf9bd you are ridiculous! First of all, Trump has nothing to do with the virus, in anyway. He shut down the borders, isolated american foreign workers, enacted the appropriate manufacturing acts. He did everything the federal government should have done. You wsnt to talk about who is responible for 5he deaths of americans! Blame Cuomo and DeBlasio since they are responible for kore then half of the covid deaths.you need to understand how the american government system works. Individual states are solely responsible for the public health and well being of their citizens! things were much less chaotic under Obama, are you kidding me! The economy under Obama was in terrible trouble, out of control unemployment, fa Iles struggling to pay their costs for Obama care and being fined. The war costs he created. The racial divide he started. Not to mention spying on americans. I could go on and on about Obama. The only reason there is chaos in america is because the intolerant left refuse to accept any other ideology or opinions outside their own insane socialist plans. Look at NYC, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, LA, San Francisco all liberal cities on the verge of economic and social collapse, why is that? They refuse to even accept federal assistance. We have now seen the violent intolerant ways of liberals and progressives, encouraging violence and hate. The only ones that destroyed this country, is the left. The simple fact, Trump wins reelection, proves that. Until the pandemic, Trump created the strongest economy since WWII for ALL Americans, in fact minorities have never been in a better economy then Trumps. Trump signed orders to protect our immigration and borders, he also created and signed an order making human trafficking a number one priority. He has created balanced trade agreements, brought more business and jobs back to america. He hired 200 federal judges that Obama refused to fill. Trump lessened our foreign military burdens and got us out of these ridiculous wars. I could keep going and going. The bottom line, democrats are bad for the economy, Bidens 4 trillion dollar plan would raise taxes 8% for every american, how is that good? He wants to raise corporate taxes so high companies would leave again. I am so tired of arguing with you about this, because you are so blinded by partisan politics. The simple idea you are blaming dovid deaths on Trump shows us, that you are just another blind ignorant liberal. Liberalism is dying in america and around the world, the right is gaining more and more control around the world. Look at Columbia, Brazil, Peru, France, Poland, Russia, and more, all right wing politics taking over. Get back in your basement with Biden.
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stell bass aren't you just full of subjective lies. First of all the US attacked Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction, mostly chemical weapons. When Saddam refused to let in UN inspectors. That is fact! Next fact, the US was only directly and indirectly responsible for 46K civilian deaths. Show me one piece of evidence of the US stealing gold and oil from Iraq. The US invaded Afghanistan for one purpose and one purpose only to destroy al Qaeda a international terrorist group that was being protected by the Taliban. As such the Taliban used military action against US troops and refused to give up all Al Qaeda terrorists. This action was supported by all nations and the UN. In March of 2011 the US used military intervention in to the Libyan civil war in support on the UN security resolution to save lives of those being murdered by there own countrymen. The US has never had any military action against Egypt, in fact the US has supported Egypt finaniclally and militarily more then any other nation has. In fact the US stopped the French and British invasion of Egypt, and has also been the neutral force in the Sini preventing war between Egypt and Israel. The US intervention into Syria was solely based on the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian forces, and was a UN backed incursion to prevent further chemical attacks against the people of syria. So there you go, the US saved lives in Egypt, Syria and Libya. The United States has not created any of the issues in the middle east, in fact everytime the US is involved in any action in the middle east it is at the need for assistance to prevent genocide, civil war and militarymaction against an american ally. All these middle east problem with the US started when Iran took hostages in 1979 and when Sadam invaded Kuwait. The real true problem of all the trouble in the middle east is due to Iran and Israel, these two countries are responsible for all the violence and instability in the region. Iran-Iraq war caused the most instability in the region which ultimately led to Iran supporting terrorist and proxy wars in the region such as the Yemen civil war. If you look at all the entire missile tests conflicts throughout recorded history it comes down to two nations creating all the problems Iran and Iraq, why? Because of the history of sectarian violence between Shiites and Sunnis. That's the bottom line! That is the truth. Your obvious bias to some muslim cause makes you blind, your hatred towards america is based on your obvious oppression by some muslim country that had US support. They are the facts. Now my opinion! Israel creates such pressure and hatred in the region because of the constant mistreatment of Palestinians and their constant hatred and actions against Iran. I also think the Kurds create such stress and pressure in Iran, Iraq and Turkey that eventually one country takes action against the Kurds and then another nation jumps into help the Kurds. The majority of that was Iraq helping the Kurds to make life miserable for Turkey. Then you have the hundred years of hatred between Saudis Arabia and Iran which in my opinion is because of the oil industry and the alliance between SA and the US. If you wanna blame some white man for the problems in the middle east, blame the British, they and the UN created the boundaries and the nations that cause all the problems. Your data and facts are simply wrong, the US never killed a million people in the middle east, nor were they responsible for the displacement of 5 million. The only ones responsible for killing a million or more, and displacing millions are Muslims! Get your shit right, not one thing you stated is backed by any truth or data. You're a shitty troll.
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@rotmgpumcake Boomer, I laugh at that, why because I am not even close to a boomer, but your assumptions only prove my point about millennial and students. Always thinking the world owes them something! Protesting for what future, you have zero understanding of the situation. First of all these student protesters are no longer protesters, they are terrorists. Lets call them what they are, using fear and violence to force a political ideology is the true essence of a terrorist. Future? In 2047 they become "one nation, one economy" and nothing they do will change that, China is not going to give up sovereign Chinese soil because of 10,000 student terrorists with childish demands. Get your head out of your ass, fool!
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@doublevision5465 You are a complete moron! First of all out of the 5 demands the only acceptable demand is investigations into police brutality. But police brutality is not something you use terrorism to force change. These criminal street thug students should have demanded a citizen based police review board, or a separate investigation group for the police department, not just ask for independent investigations. The other 4 demands are senseless and absolutely foolish. Demanding that the HK government not classify violent terrorists as rioters, and label them as protesters. The bottom line, they lost that ability the second they used violence. That would be the equivalent of me robbing a bank, taking hostages and demanding immunity from prosecution as a bank robber and only being charged as retail theft. Then there is the ridiculous demand of of resignation of Carrie Lam, which has nothing to do with any of this. She did her job and still does her job for the greater good of Hong Kong, just because a bunch of kids think life should be different in Hong Kong doesn't mean she was wrong. Then they want the release of all protesters arrested, again not a demand for the people of Hong Kong but only a demand for the childish student activists. Then there is the demand of universal suffrage, never in Hong Kong history have the people of Hong Kong had democracy over the state leadership, not even when under British rule. The basic law of Hong Kong does not guarantee universal suffrage and the Hong Kong highest court also found in that favor. So why are you demanding something that one you are not entitled to and second something you never had before. Lets be clear Hong Kong is Chinese sovereign soil and theirs to do as they wish, two only max of 10K students are protesting compared to the 7.4M people in the region, these students are the minority and the majority of Hong Kong residents do not feel the same way as these students. So your ridiculous statement that the HK government is not obeying the will of the people is completely wrong, 10,000 students is not the will of the people. So stop being an asshole.
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@graywalkerjoin3rdparty74 first of all, there has not been an official request from Iraq to remove US assets in the region. Iraq's parliment has voted on a referendum that would remove american assets but that has not been approved by Iraqs executive powers. In fact the Iraqi president and minister of defense have requested US forces to not leave the country. But if you took 5 minutes to research all of this, you would already know this. I do not use mainstream media as my sources as they are obviously biased, I use a multitude of sources bother partisan and non-partisan, foreign and domestic. The killing of the general is not an act of war, it was a military operation to protect US and allied assets in the region from an imminent attack, including Iraqi forces. The attack was on a known terrorist target inside Iraq. Under article II the president can attack known military targets of another nation as long as those operations do not require a budget to operate as he is the commander in chief. Articles of war under the US constitution does not say a president can or cannot declare an act of war, it simply states that the president and Congress may do so to protect american interests, these articles just as almost every amendment in the constitution can be subjectively interpreted. I find it blatantly disgusting that an american is defending the terrorist actions of iran, and pointing their finger at the commander in chief for acting in defense of an imminent threat to american service members. Fact, the Iranians general organized and funded attacks on american assets inside iraq, fact the general organized the attack on the US Embassy, fact Iran attacked British ships in international waters, fact Iran shot down two US UAV's over international waters. Yet you sit here defending Iran and pointing fingers at President Trump. You are a borderline traitor at this point, and a disgusting pig, that is my opinion.
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@evangelium5376 the reality is, nothing you said has any evidence, no documents, no medical support, nothing but your conspiracy theories. The simple fact you refuse to answer any of my questions tells me you are so ignorant of the situation. That you cannot clearly think! You need to realize, that their isn't one ounce of support to anything you said, nothing in the news, nothing from the WHO, nothing from doctors, nothing. Do you even know what a coronavirus is? Probably not, because all you do is sit there with your aluminum hat on thinking the governments are planting listening devices in your brain through the drinking water, or from all the toys made in china. You're such a dumb ass.
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@fusion9619 I am not lying, but I have found through my vast experience and knowledge in economics that because the "free and democratic American" way of life is not good for every society and culture globally. In fact the majority of societies and cultures around the world cannot handle the "free and democratic American" way of life, why? Because cultural differences can be stressed and fractured by a historically concrete way of life. Take the middle east for example, a place that America and the west have been forcing democracy on for at least a hundred years. Countries such as Iraq, where an american version of democracy has been put in place that the people were ill equipped to deal with the immediate influx of so called freedom. Now their nation and culture are plagued by corruption, increased sectarian violence, and the constant battle between classes. Instilling that level of democracy and freedom into Asian cultures has notoriously been bad throughout history. Now China is no longer a communist country, and solely on the socialist track of governing, and in fact has progressively gotten more socialist as the years go on. In my opinion, China will most likely become another Japan or German like nation probably well before the 2047 deadline for Chinese control of Hong Kong. The bottom line, the majority of Hong Kong residents are content being under Chinese rule, and have become well a custom to the "one nation two systems" way of life in Hong Kong. Lets face it, China in the business and financial world is a very successful society and the majority of Hong Kong people like that. Yes, China is very far from being a good country, but the changes they have taken in just the last 10 years, blows the minds of many experts. And some of the most prestigious experts in the world feel that China will become more progressive and democratically favorable in the very near future. As I said earlier, just because freedom works in america, doesn't mean it will work in Asia, Africa, Europe, etc., in fact we know it doesn't work well in most countries outside America. Its noble to want to bring American freedom to other nations, but we know from the past, it almost never works. Not to mention the fact Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese soil, and China would go to war to protect their sovereignty. China has just as much right to that land, as the people of Hong Kong do. That being said, if China was oppressing people in Hong Kong to the point of human rights violations and say 5 million people in Hong Kong wanted Independence from China, then I would say fight for it. But we know from polls taken in Hong Kong that as of right now, the majority of HK citizens are fine with Chinese rule under the current "one nation two systems" method. China, and almost every nation in the world has problems with their systems, not one is perfect, but it is not the responsibility of the worlds people to decide who and which system should be forced on others. The people of Hong Kong should be more worried about designing ways to make it more advantageous to China to leave Hong Kong alone even after the 2047 deadline. The people of Hong Kong should be making their economic system so detrimental to global business and finance, that China would rather the success continue under a capitalist society. Rioting and terrorizing the city and the people in the city, is most definitely not the way to make change in 2020. There were far more effective ways to accomplish the change these students wanted without the need for the terror and fear they used on their own city. By the way, American freedom is not a God given right, it is a unalienable and God given right in america under the constitution of the United States. I am sure you consider England a free and democratic society, yet they do not have freedom of speech, there economic model is down right socialist, and there inequality in class is as much as any other nation in the world. Yet, I do not see you demanding freedom for the citizens of England. Why is that? I do not hate humanity in any way, I am a believer in letting each culture determine its own fate, and I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong. But when people comment on a video, blindly giving support for something they know nothing of, simply because of the so called "freedom" label. Then I have a problem, because they assume what is good for one is good for all. The irony that liberals in America are fighting for more socialist ways in government and more government control, while the rest of the world thinks every person in the world should have "American Freedom". Hong Kong is a free capitalist society and will be till 2047, so what were they fighting for? They fought for universal suffrage, a right to vote for the chief executive position in their government. A position they never even had the chance to vote for under British control, while paying taxes to England, sound familiar? They have more democracy and freedom now under Chinese rule then they have ever had. So to say that Hong Kong deserves freedom, is wrong and uneducated.
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@fusion9619 see here is where you are wrong, complete democracy was never in the Sino-British agreement for the hands over of power to China. Nor is democracy written into the HK Basic Law. Hong Kong's high court also found that no where in the basic law says universal suffrage is guaranteed, nor is it implied in any way. Hong Kong was never a democracy, even under British rule they did not have democracy. They have more democracy now then they have every had. 2 million protesters is a 1/3red of the population, not half, and after the extradition bill was taken off the table that 2 million fell to less then 10K. You mention if that's what the people want then they should get it, if that is the case then China has the right to defend their sovereign interests in Hong Kong. If Hong Kong wanted independance, they should have fought for it in 1997 not 2019. These terrorists are only students and have zero experience or understanding of how any politics or how the world truly works and yet because 10K students want 5 demands, that the government should cave in and give these terrorists their demands. So now the Hong Kong government gave into all 5 demands, the protests stop, exactly what had changed now that they can elect their next chief executive for the region. What in Hong Kong's daily life has changed so much that complete democracy worked? How has life gotten so much better now?
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@fusion9619 oh by the way, the Sino-British treaty does not cover voting rights, it covers the legality of the hand over, and says that Hong Kong basic law is the law of the land. The treaty is simply a legal document filed with the UN of an agreement between two nations and nothing more. It basically sets the road work for the "one nation two systems" platform. There is a lot of talk lately as to the validity of the agreement and if the agreement is actually binding, since the hand over of power had already been completed in 1997, the PRC declares that the British does not have any power or governing responsibility thus voiding the agreement. We could go back and forth over that part for days and never agree or disagree, and since the British, the UN or China courts have decided to make any type of legal decision on the agreement, any opinion or debate about the topic would only be opinion. Myself, I feel the PRC could void the agreement and take total control of Hong Kong but surely at a cost of being alienated by the UN. I doubt the UN or the US woukd impose sanctions over it, but honestly I do not see any advantage for China to take control just yet. I'd the violent protests went on another month or the violence escalated. I think China would have not had a choice but to move in and take control solely based on national security due to loss of civility and law in the region. Could Hong Kong make an attempt at independance, they could try, but unless they had a vast majority I'd the support meaning at least 5 million citizens in aggrement they wouldn't try. Hong king does not have the finances, the infrastructure or the global support to pull off independance and any assistance from these US, the British would be considered an act of war, which is why you do not see any nations currently publicly supporting any steps towards independance.
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@filonin2 filonin2 filonin2 182,000 killed in all, by Iraqi forces and coalition forces. With 44K killed by coalition forces. The coalition invasion was not illegal, these lives are not on our hands, but on the hands of Sadam, I sleep very well at night knowing that. So now I am a fascist, I should have known you were some deranged left wing extremist looking for someone to blame for your short comings. In no way am I fascist in any shape, way, or form. I do not support ultranationionalism, as ana American I do not support dictatorships, I despise any form of authoritarian control and in fact support less government in my life. You being a far left extremist are more fascist then I am. The very fundamental core philosophies of you people is the closest form of fascism you can find in america. But since you find it easier to try and attack me personally with your insults over debating with the truth. You lost immediately with your overly sensitive dramatic insults and opinion.
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Rusty McGee I am saying that using violence during protests to force a head of government change is not going to change a thing. I didn't say not to do something to make change. Let's just say, the top 3 politicians in Iraqs government resign. Iraq holds election to replace them, and the people vote and a candidate is elected. What can that new leader do right now to change the current situation in Iraq. If he was to impose changes the people wanted, it would take a few years for those changes to occur, and even in that time, corruption will not be wiped out. As I said the police will still be the most corrupt people in Iraq, as they always have been. In order to remove the corruption in the police departments would take replacing a good 40% of the entire police force. How long will that take? It would take years, and it would take a lot of resources to make that happen, training new officers, while still employing the ones that are corrupt. Resources the government obviously doesnt have because the people are demanding more government services such as police, fire, EMS and schools. Mean while, the people are demanding higher pay in an economy heading into a recession. What new head of state can reverse an economic recession in less then 2 or 3 years? The citiznes demand all these additional services when no one is working and contributing taxes to pay for the new services. What is the new head of the state going to do to for unemployment? Do you think because a new person is there that jobs will suddenly appear and open up? I am not saying political change in iraq is a bad thing. But the people of Iraq cannot elect people, and then expect to replace them when things get hard and they arent happy. They must wait for the next election cycle and vote for a candidate that they feel will address the issues the people have. But see the country is split almost down the middle on making the change. So as I have been saying from the get go, what will change for the people protesting? What if the violent protestors we see in the media are the minority? This would be the equal of liberals in america violently protesting to remove trump from office, oh wait they did do that the day he took office. And what did all the liberal protests in america change? Nothing. So what does violent protests in the streets of iraq change? Nothing.
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Rusty McGee you are a blind fool who is simply trying to justify the defiance and violence of the left. These so called protestors are fighting for jobs and healthcare they say is a right that the government should provide. Does that sound familiar? Soundsmto me like the same thing every liberal protests for, is intolerant, and uses violent. Liberals, progressives, socialists what ever you wanna call them. The fact is just because a group of people think pensions, healthcare, shelters, jobs, food are all basic human rights, does not mean a government or another group of people shallmjust give it to you. Look at Hong Kong full of violent left wing terrorists, Chile violence condoned and started by the left, iraq violence and protests from left wing radicals demanding jobs and healthcare. The list goes on and on, the left in every protest around the world, uses and condones the use of violence to get these so called rights. When the reality is, every individual is responsible for obtaining their own rights, it isn't anyone else's rights to make it happen for you.
If the majority of iraq felt the same way as these violent radicals, then Iraq would be in civil war. But the truth is, it is a very small group a minoitynof citizens who feel these demands are worth using protests and violence to force the government to provide them. Society and culture does notmsupport the demands of m.j the minority or terrorists. A society must stand by the majority of the people and what they want. These terrorists in the streets attacking people, police, property are simply people who refuse to make things happen themselves and want to force others to hand them what they want.
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@marryson123 tyrannical government? In what way is Hong Kong a tyrannical government. The reality is that the Hong Kong citizens live a far better life then the majority of people in the world. In what world does that constitute living under a tyrannical government? The so called terrorists of our forefathers were rebels, fighting against taxation without representation. The terrorist students are fighting for what exactly? There demands childish and selfish, only meant to inhibit the young and not all of Hong Kong. If there demands were for political change that was good for each and every citizen I would say, bravo! But the truth is, there demands and desires were only meant to ease the pain of those that conspired harm to Hong Kong, not the people. Not once in american revolution history did the rebels attack their own people, destroy their own property. They attacked the people oppressing the citizens, the hand of the King. Nor did they destroy public and private property, they destroyed the assets and tools of the King to lesson the burden of revolution. That is where the difference lies! These terrorists, are attacking their own government based on their hate for the government of China. When china has not even intervened in their lives. Let's be honest here, they demand the democracy to elect all of their government officials. But my question to you, is the same as I ask allmdebating the topic. Given the chance to elect all government seats, what would honestly change given the opportunity to elect the chief executive? Now that the people have elected even a pro-democracy chief executive, what exactly do the people gain? Do you honestly expect life to change so dramatically, simply because you elected the head of state? Hong Kong is already a free capitalist society, what more could they possibly need or desire? The only answer to those questions seems to be some type of independence from China, completely, removing total control now, not in 2047. If that is the case, then china should be allowed to defend its soverign soil, without the infiltration of foriegn powers such as the US Hong Kong Rights bill. Given these students are the very definition of terrorists, the Hong Kong and Chinese government should be allowed to treat them as such, use force and be able to imprison those arrested. But see that's were the problem is. The international community wants Hong Kong citizens to be able to fight for the so called freedom they do not have, but if china fights back they are the terrible beast, the oppressor. the tyrannical government. In 2019, even under the socialist rule of China, life is not that bad, I'm fact chinese people live very comfortable and satisfying lives. So exactly what are they fighting for?
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@WitherRakdos HKers have the right to violently protest? Are you that stupid? No one has the right to violently protest, violence does nothing to further your cause. That was a couple rioters in a protest? Are you kidding me? Hundreds if not thousands are hurting citizens with bricks, destroying private and public property, burning people alive, beating people, and you think it's just a few rioters. These protestors should be labeled terrorits not protestors, and they should all be put in prison for a couple years to think about what they have done. Police shooting people, is justified, they are there to enforce the laws, and every video and photo showing a police officer using force is in a clear situation of violent protestors around them. Look at it this way, if police officers put down their guns, shields, batons and shields would protestors be pacifists and stop their violence? No they wouldn't they would beat the shit out of the police. That is not a protestor, that is a terrorist. So stop crying me a river about violence is a right.
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@johnallen7443 wow, a little angry and full of hate we see! You are the A typical lefty who cannot stand the idea a person has a different opinion then you. The insane amount of intolerance in you and the left, shows us all that your political ideologies are NO good for america or it's people. When Obama won, republicans and conservatives went to work and acted just like a typical average workday. When Trump took office, millions of lefties took off work just to violently protest his election win. And so the 4 years of witch hunts, hate, intolerance and ignorance took hold. Out of the last 4 years, the best thing the democrats have accomplished is to separate their own party in half. And still failed to groom a candidate for 2020 or 2024. Your party has waisted the last 12 years with intolerance, bickering and plane old stupidity. Your party put all its money into Hilary, and when it came down to it, she flopped and most likely will end up in prison. Now, 4 years later, you still have no definitive candidate for 2020, and not one that has an ounce or chance to beat Trump. Here is the deal little man, Trump wasn't the best for the job, neither was Hillary. Americans were tired of career politicians and wanted change, they elected Trump and it turns out he did a pretty good job. Now here we are 2020, democrats still do not have a decent candidate for us moderates to vote for. So what do we do? We vote for the person who gave us a great economy, Trump. You can try and spin it all you want, with your false narratives, lies and childish opinions. But in the end, Trump accomplished what his voters wanted, and in 2020 will win reelection and finish his promise of border security and hopefully get the economy back on track by the end of his term. If all goes well, Niki Haley will run in 2024 and we will have the first woman president. Now go to your room, no more temper tantrums and leave the important conversations to the adults.
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@Mula Mi no shit! What do you think I am some typical shit talker on youtube? China is progressive and aggressively, and month by month becoming the leading capitalist society in the world. They are selling off their state owned corporations to private company owners. China's number of wealthy business owners grows by leaps and bounds especially in the financing and tech sectors. If China simply became a little more relaxed in their public opinion and free speech they would become the number one powerhouse in the world. They have systematically eliminated poverty to less then 1%. They have efficiently and effectively governed 1.4 billion people, and have done so better then the US with their 350 million people. The world hates china because of their success, and because they are fed these false data and statistics based on the opinions of people who do not live in China. Besides completely free speech, everything else is great min China. The world may think that chinese citizens do not have the ability to vote, but they do. They have journalists who report the news, and are guided by a don't talk shit about the president and government rule. When you govern 1.4 billion people, some rights are going to be shady and restricted. As of right now, the happiness level in China is positive and getting better every month. If China could crack down on environmental issues, increase their public health a little more, they would have it made. Think about this, fifty years ago, China was one of the most struggling third world countries in the world. Now they are, in my opinion, the number one world power. The US took 300 years, and still do not offer the services and life to americans that China gives their people. Is it perfect? Not even close. But people need to put the population into context and realize how difficult it is to govern 1.4 billion people, and yet still provide equality of life for everyone. Has china made some tragic mistakes and taken inhumane actions, sure they have. What country hasn't? I say in 10 years people will be begging to move to china.
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@nanjarou103 you're such a fucking moron! National education system? Seriously that's the best you have? Because china is now one of the top international university countries. China has the same basic education system every other developed country has. Kidnapping book store owners, well maybe they fucking deserved it. Last time I checked Hong Kong is China. China has never interrupted or interfered in Hong Kongs shit political system. When did china ever threaten military action against Hong Kong? Easy answer, never. Supported an extradition bill, wellmof course they should. See the part you fail to mention is why the extradition bill was brought up and that was because a murder was hiding in Hong Kong because their was no extradition where he murdered his girlfriend. Was china put on the bill, of course they were. Almost every nation has extradition agreements with other nations as they should. So why should china not have extradition rights for their own country? No matter how you try to spin this, Hong Kong is China, and China has the right to govern it. And by the way, more people live in abusive relationships then you think jackass. Here is the bottom line dumb ass. Hong Kong is sovereign chinese soil, nothing these terrorist students or other nations can do to change that. China is quickly becoming the number one power in the world. China is far from perfect, but their citizens are living better then the average person in the world, and the majority of Chinese citizens live good happy lives. So go ahead sit there and talk shit all you want, nothing you said changes anything nor should it. You would rather let 10K radical terrorists students make the decisions for 7.4 million HK citizens? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Last time I checked the majority of a civilization and culture decide the best for the culture. As of right now the majority of Hong Kong citizens so not support them terrorists, they support China and Hong Kong. Stop hating their success you scrub.
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@thebeesechurger751 The Beesechurger I appreciate a good debate based on actual research and intellectual opinion. Let's first discuss the democracy issue. Currently the protestors have 5 demands, of which universal suffrage is the only legitimate demand. Universal suffrage was never a given or guarantee in Hong Kong. Never in Hong Kong history have they had the ability to democratically elect the head of their government, not even under Biritish rule. That being said, Hong Kong citizens gain nothing by electing the Chief Executive position in the council. Electing a Pro Hong Kong Executive versus a Pro-China Executive has no pro or con to the people of Hong Kong. That is the biggest issue these student terrorists fail to see. Trying to force your existing government to change something that has never been given by the use of violence is wrong ethically and morally. The radical terrorists try to justify this demand by begging for freedom and liberty, when the reality is they already have it. In my opinion, these protests should have stopped completely as soon as Hong Kong withdrew the extradition bill. But it didn't stop, why? Because these radical extreme political terrorist students wanted independence from China an action completely opposite of what the majority of Hong Kong citizens want. The only reason there is different shades of gray, is because radical students being fed bogus information from left wing university teachers regarding the realities of life between HK and China. Let's first correct one thing you mentioned. China is not and never was a communist nation, they are a socialist republic. Hong Kong has nothing to fear under chinese rule, except for some restrictions on speech, and even then, simply do not trash talk the heads of state. It is far from a great system, but it works and it works very effectively. The HK police were never violent and brutal till the protestors began throwing bricks and molotov cocktails. Imagine this, these protests occurring in any major city in the United States. Police would have used extreme violence and even deadly force in most of the violent clashes that occurred. If a protestors threw a molotov cocktail at any American police officer they would have responded with gunfire. So do not try and use left wing drama to demonize HK policemfor brutality. There was far more effective ways protestors could have made a difference and an impact then using violence, especially when it came to killing three people. These violent protestors are nothing more and nothing less then terrorists, and to say otherwise is simply blind and ignorant. Your immigration stories are ridiculous and have nothing to do with the protests, violence or demands in HK, they are immigration issues. A city state like Hong Kong allows migrant workers and visitors as guests, it is not a right to be allowed access. The United States and United Kingdom, Russia and many other nations have excluded entry by foreigners for the same reasons. Hong Kong and China made the best decision handling these violent protests, and that was to do nothing. Governments, cultures and civilizations cannot bend to terrorism and demands of people destroying their own communities, sorry that is not how life works. What would you have wanted HK to do, now to the demands of terrorists? The majority of HK citizens do notmsupport these violent protestors, nor do they support all the demands. A society does not cater to the minority, a civilized society must cater to the majority of its citizens. In reality, HK should have arrested every protestor that used violence or broke the laws, and then worked with a few key public figures in the protests to discuss the future. But since the protestors demands were childish, and knowingly impossible, the government had nothing to work with. Only one demand is supported by the majority of HK citizens and that is universal suffrage, which as I said gives no advantage or disadvantages to the people. Hong Kong must still answer to Beijing for certain matters, that is all part of the agreement. Let's talk about so called free speech! China is like most other nations out there, they allow freedom of speech as long as it doesn't negatively paint the heads of the state. Look at the UK, they have begun to restrict speech in ways I never thought I would have seen in my lifetime, in fact Spain, France and many other nation have restrictions on speech. Even in america there is no such thing as free speech anymore, the government may not censor speech but corporations do every day. Let's not forget, china is becoming more relaxed in almost every aspect of their culture and governmen. I anticipate China in the next few years opening up so much more, that they no longer are hated by most. They have been strategically handing over state run corporations to private companies, their economy is becoming more capitalist by the month. The levels of private wealth are growing by leaps and bounds. Tell me one other country out there right now who can effectively govern 1.4 billion people like China has? As I said, it is far from a perfect system, in fact there isn't one perfect system out there, even america is totally fucked up. With all of America's problems, could you imagine what america would be like with 1.4 billion people in it? The bottom line, Hong Kong is sovereign Chinese soil, and nothing is ever going to change that. In fact China was just taken off the list of money manipulators. That shows you the leaps China is making, and once china finally stabilizes and properly regulates their financial sectors they will be the world's leading power. But I do hope that China does improve their basic human rights issues, I hope they positively make environmental changes, and simply keep moving forward in providing better, healthier happier lives for their people. Let's not forget where china was 50 years ago, to be were they are today, is just short of a miracle. Have they committed terrible acts against people, sure they have,but what country hasn't. America had slavery! America is still the only country to use nuclear weapons in war against civilians. No government is totally innocent or perfect, but right now, china is leading the way into the future. It is in Hong Kong's best interests to be more and more under Chinas rule. Chances are by 2047 when the agreement has expired, china will not be what it is today.
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@ginkgothestink-o6949 you can have an opinion that all humans should have the inherit right to vote for their government. But that is not the way the world works. In fact look at all the newly democratic nations in the middle east. They are all failing, why? Because the societies cannot behave under a free democracy. Corruption and voters second guessing their decisions are destroying those countries. Certain social norms do not make democracy the answer to every nation's political and economic system. These children, millennials use violence to attempt to make change where they know it won't happen. Violence is never right, especially when the minority of the Hong Kong society is the only ones protesting and demanding universal suffrage. The majority of Hong Kong citizens are content with their society and government. So, that being said, these violent protestors are wrong, period. Civil society shall not cater to the minority. If 60% of the country were protesting for independence send democracy then maybe I could agree with that, but that isn't the case. China had sovereign control of Hong Kong, nothing will change that. China is a socialist / communist society and that isn't going to change anytime soon. They are all facts and nothing will change that. By the easy, free speech only exists in America, no where else.
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@JAMIL2258 Jamil Yasin who said anything about follow the global world? Think your smoking to much hash or methamphetamines. Iraq started violent protests? No they didn't, but they have perfected useless senseless violent protesting. It is a lot more then Iran, it is sectarian muslims fighting each other over who should govern. The Shiites and Sunni could never get along, and because of that the country can never be free of protest regarding their government. If once religious sect is in power, the other side protests and blames corruption, a bad economy, other outside nations pressure. Stop blaming other people for your country's inability to coexist with each other. Iraq has a democracy and one would think the country would be in great condition. The reality, since Saddam lost power Iraq has had more government corruption, more violent protests, more crime, has tripled illegal drug dealers and the use of illicit drugs, a worst economy and had never known a period of time without war. Yet you stand here blaming iran, when they are not the problem. Iraq needs to get their own internal house together before worrying about what other country's are doing.
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@cliveschoonover1367 wait a second, what authoritarian style system? Hong Kong was under British rule for a 100 years, is that the authoritarian style system you speak of? Let me get this right, a hundred thousand students and extremists erupt with violence, destroying public infrastructure, attacking police with deadly force, destroying local businesses is civil behavior? So you expect citizens to riot, and law enforcement not regain civil control of the city? So because the police used LEGAL force to control a non-civil group that makes them terrorists? I guess you do not know the definition of terrorist, that explains your lack of education. A terrorist is a person or group who uses violence and fear against citizens to force political change. The majority of HK does not support these terrorists, nor do they want independence from China, they do want the ability to vote for all elected government positions including the chief executive. A right never guaranteed by the British or the Hong Kong constitution. If these radical extremeist5students want to point fingers and blame anyone for their current situation, they should blame their parents and the United Kingdom, not HK or China.
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@Fractured676 not every country is founded on violence, countries like France and England were found solely on the ideology of combined self defense. But that's just a history lesson. The freedom I taste and the cost of that freedom, were because the majority of residents of the English colonies wanted representation for their taxes. When the crown failed to provide the requested representation, the MAJORITY demanded independence through the use of civil unrest and violence. The big difference here is majority, the majority of Hong Kong citiznes do not argue or disagree with Chinese control of the region, China and Hong Kong have the same cultural identities. They use civil unrest, violence and fear, to force their government to change the laws to allow complete and full democratic process to freely elect all elected positions of their government. That in itself, is the reason why these terrorists, are terrorists, forcing political change through the use of violence and fear. The american revolution, used violence and fear for independence that the majority wanted, not political change, they simply wanted representation.
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@cliveschoonover1367 Clive Schoonover you are a blind ignorant fool! China is not a dictatorship, it is a representative democracy. Guess you didn't take basic social studies in school. So let me educate you! The Chinese president is nominated and elected by the people's representatives in the communist party of china. The president can be removed, or changed at the discretion of the communist party of China. So, no it is not a dictatorship! And before you rant about China being a communist state, they are not, they are a socialist state that is slowly creeping closer to capitalism. Karl Marx, the grandfather of Socialsim said, that all socialist nations ultimate goal should be communism. China never achieved becoming a communist society, they have always been and still are a socialist society. If they were a communist society, they wouldn't have billionaire and millionaire private business owners. What do I expect a civil society who is being oppressed or wants change in their government? Do exactly what Iran and England did in the early seventies, strikes that cripple the economy and bring daily life to a dead halt. Those times brought quick positive change without the need of violence. So yes there are far better a d more effiencient ways to make positive change in Hong Kong without destroying public infrastructure, private property or attacking and killing innocent civilians. Consider yourself educated.
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@davidg5680 first of all HK is a free and capitalist society with all the liberty they need for an Asian culture. The complete take over of HK by China doesn't happen until 2047. Let's remember, the people of Hong Kong along with China and the Untied Kingdom are the ones who laid the base and foundation of the agreement. The people are the ones responsible for the structure of their existence. So what are they to do, strike, and stop any and all daily life dead in its tracks until they get the change they want. Violence and fear mongering only takes away any outside support for their cause. Could you imagine what Hong Kong would be life if all the transportation workers, the hotel staff, the financial sector workers all went on strike until the HK council instituted completely democratic elections? Which would work better, strikes or violence. Loom what happen to Iran and Enlgand in the 70's without one molotov cocktail being thrown. To say they lose their freedom in 40 years is simply foolish. Look at the trends in China, each year Chjna moves close and closer to a capitalist society. In fact, more and more private companies are taking over state owned businesses in the important sectors. More private wealth is occurring in china nearly on a monthly basis. So to say in 40 years China takes control and takes away HK citiznes rights is simply fear mongering. The entire issue people have with China is their so called lack of freedom, but I ask you what are lack of freedoms? Chinese citizens have freedoms, they may not be able to own guns, their speech may be slightly restricted, but for the generalized thought, they are free people. Look at how the US government battles everyday, every year to govern and manage 350 million people. Now look at how China in the last 30 years has governed and managed 1.4 BILLION people! I think they have effectively governed 5 times the US population and have managed to reduce crime to some of the lowest in the world, the reduced their poverty international poverty rate to below 1%, they decreased the overall nations unemployment, while taking China from a third world country to a global, superpower in last then 40 years. I would say that was a success, not a failure. The fact is Asian culture strong believes in accepting certain social and civil conditions for the greater good of all, over the greater good of ME, something Americans could learn a little from.
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@Fractured676 Chris Mulkey China having full and total control has never been an issue and surely won't now that the US Congress pass the HK rights bill. But that could change in 2047, but given the current momentum China is taking towards capitalism, I highly doubt that in 2047 HK citizens lives will even change at all. The one nation, two societies model plan is working for China and besides the ability to nominate and vote all elected positions in the council, HK is holding its own. I believe you are wrong with saying China is forcing HK's hand. In fact China has been very smart with the HK unrest, they are doing nothing! They are letting the people protesting destroy their own city, their economy, everything. China has the mentality that they will let HK handle it, and when it's all burnt down to the ground they will step in to rebuild it all.
In regards to america, the majority never would have went to war if England would have simply given them representation. Image the world now, if England simply would have given the Parliment Members in the house. I agree the America winning was one of the longest shots in world history, I do not think the few sucker punches we threw were the deciding factor. I think when the French arrived with uniformed and a professionalmarmy tomassist Washington is really the final sword across the English throat.
I think, that in those times without social media, phones, television, radio, that those few who started the revolution thought they were acting on behalf of the majority. It is impossible to know what the majority of people wanted considering it took weeks or even months for news to get where it needed to go. But once the stories began Tom spread of what the british were doing, the atrocities they were committing. It was so easy for the majority to finally jump on board, and so the fight began.
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@oof239 I never said China was a democracy, they are a representative democracy, meaning that representatives of the people then elect a president. President Ci does not have a permanent position, believe me if he fucked up, the party would remove him quickly. Xi is doing a great job for China, in their eyes Xi is making China the top world power, and at a economic and financial level they are accomplishing that. Look at the monthly growth of private wealth in china. China controls the majority of US loans, they have control of the majority of the world's resources. They stamped out poverty and unemployment and are effectively governing 1.4 billion people. I would say China is the newest success story. Hk is not fighting for freedom, independence or to preserve anything. They are protesting for five demands, of which 3 have to do with letting go protestors that were arrested. Which is the same as a murderer taking hostages and demanding full immunity for murder. Its counter productive to a civil society, and these terrorists know that HK will not agree to those demands, these students simply want anarchy nothing more. They know there is now way of becoming an independent city state, they support isn't there, nor does HK have the money, the infrastructural or the means to become independent. You obviously know nothing about global politics or sociology. China is not a communist nation, they are socialist. Just because the leading political party has the word communist in it, doesnt mean they are communist. China has never in its history been a communist society, in fact with 1.4 billion people it is almost impossible to be a communist nation. Each month China moves towards a capitalist economy under socialist control, this is basic knowledge of government and culture. China isn't a dictatorship! China has been for a few years now giving control of previously state run businesses to private companies, they are slowly giving up state control to privacy and capitalism as they are finally beginning to see the money they can make. Ultimately chinese citizens will be living in a socialist society under a capitalist economy and will most likely end up paying insane personal tax rates.
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@cliveschoonover1367 you obviously know nothing about China. China has a hierarchical system. Basically the have what is called local representatives and national representative. It kind of starts with a block manager and then a neighborhood manager, a district manager, a town manager, mayor, governor etc., etc., up to the president. Chinese citizens vote and elect on their local representatives, who in turn vote and elect regional and national positions. The president of China is elected through an indirect voting method. The people of china put their faith into local representatives who elect the national positions hoping that their decisions are the best for the people as a whole, not just for the individual. Please go back to school, read a book, or learn how to use google.
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@fortred735 I would say you were right, except for the fact the HK government is not a tyrannical government, the HK people are free and capitalist society with the same liberties you or I have. I do know Tibet, the Uyghurs, and other groups oppressed by China. But remember, asian culture is far different then our cultures, what works for one doesnt work for the next. Has china been very aggressive towards certain groups? Sure, have they committed atrocities of some type, sure, what country hasn't? It is not the world's business what China does in their nation to their people. You try governing and managing 1.4 billion people in a country the size of the US. Hong kong students beaten by police, were justified, you only see what you wanna see. Do you know how many police officers were injured by terrorists? The students are launching molotov cocktails and bricks at police officers from bungee launchers and by hand. What do youm3xpect the police to do, stand there and take it? These students rampaged through a university destroying it, taking control of it and launching attacks from there. Is that fair to the rest of the citizens of Hong Kong? Do not cry foul about police brutality, when the protestors were the first ones to use violence. Look at the protests when there was a million people protesting against the extradition bill. Not one ounce of violence from police or the protestors, why? Because they weren't students and they weren't rioters or terrorists, they were citizens who didn't want their government to pass an extradition law. So the government cancelled the bill, and the protests should have ended there, but they didn't. Because a couple thousand students decided to use violence tomescalate the demonstrations demanding universal suffrage. Was their violence by the police, of course there was, but let's remember the violence was on both sides. Imagine this, if this kinda of protests occurred in the US, the police and national guard would have used deadly force, when they were attacked by bricks and molotov cocktails, and it all would be justified. But because Hong Kong police do it, it's a problem. Just stop it with your social justice warrior mentalities.
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