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According to the Bible, lucifer said:
"I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation. On the farthest sides of the north I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the Most High"
So basically, he aspired to be God's equal. Not sure how being a pain in the ass and managing God's torture chamber would bring him any closer to that goal though. Anyway, God didn't like that, so he went political on him and said:
"Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.
Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,
Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?" (wtf?)
Isaiah 14:12-17
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Gray Cat Though briefly, I did answer your question, but since it didn't get through to you I'll elaborate a little more.
I repeat: "No one states that global warming is going to eradicate mankind in one generation." I would even go as far as to say global warming isn't going to eradicate mankind, period. Things that are likely to happen is: ocean level will rise, deserts will grow, the frequencies of extreme weather events will increase, ecosystems will be disrupted, habitats will drift north, species will go extinct, human lives will be lost, cities destroyed. However, in the long run we will likely survive and adapt to the new less preferable conditions. These consequences are considered severe enough to make an effort.
The urgency that is communicated is not due to some imminent apocalypse. It stems from the understanding that there is a threshold of global warming beyond which natural feedback loops and synergies will take over and shift the climate even further away from the norm even if we later stop introducing new CO2 to the atmosphere. Examples are that as the amount of ice and snow decrease more sun light is absorbed; a retraction of the permafrost leads to large amounts of methane being released which is a strong greenhouse gas.
So why isn't anyone just putting the foot down and ban CO2? Well as I already explained, this would cause unnecessary harm. So let's instead ask why politicians aren't doing more than they are. First of all, one can not simply force radical solutions in democracies. Citizens must be aware of the issue and willing to take part in the solution. As you are a good example of, it is not easy communicating science with the masses. Secondly, the global nature of the issue: no one nation can solve the problem on their own. It requires everyone to take part. Any nation that takes initiative does so at the cost of GDP and competitiveness, hence they are hesitant to do so unless they are sure their effort is not going to be in vain. This makes it necessary to make these decisions on a global level through e.g. international treaties. So, countries that are competitors, sometimes enemies, needs to meet, discuss, negotiate, and commit to feasible goals. This is not a easy and rapid process.
I hope that helped.
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Gray Cat Let's summarize our discussion so far.
I questioned the suggestion that global warming is a global conspiracy and asked whom these conspirators in that case are.
"Money." you suggested without further explanation.
I argued that there is more short-term profit in clinging to the petroleum dependence by pointing out costs and challenges associated with a transition towards a sustainable society.
Instead of addressing my argument you ignore it and shift the conversation to "if we're all gonna die, why are we taxing it as opposed to a ban?".
I explain that this is a straw man, we're not all going to die in the near future, but it will certainly claim casualties and destruction over a longer time scale. I also explained why a ban is not feasible nor preferable as well as how emission taxes stimulate the market to solve the problem through technological innovation. I also argue that taxation is not a realistic mean of theft for personal gain, pointing out that total tax burden has in fact dropped in some countries, tax spending is public record and that taxes are mostly spent on public services.
You seem to acknowledge that no one claims global warming pose an immediate threat and suggest instead that a "slow ban" is preferable to taxation without further explanation of what a slow ban constitutes, ignoring my arguments for emission tax, simply arguing "Taxes are about money, hence the money in taxes" (wft does that even mean?). After this you commend me to google for evidence for your extraordinary claim. I explain that the burden of proof is yours.
You insist that I should answer your question without addressing the answers I have already made, arguing from a straw man I have already debunked, repeating assertions I have already presented arguments against.
I now make a thorough effort to clarify my case, explaining your misconceptions about global warming and explaining the difficulties of implementing actions against fossil fuel emissions.
You disregard all my arguments, misinterpret this (seemingly intentionally) as consequences of global warming being negligible or natural.
I point out your misinterpretation and explain why it's wrong and remind you of providing evidence for your claim, i.e. that global warming is a scam designed by some people to benefit them financially through taxation.
Again, and I hope this will be the last time, you repeat the same straw man, arguments and assertions I have already addressed.
Please, for the love of god, go back and read what I have already written and make an effort to address this before you go any further. If you think my arguments are flawed, explain why. And please understand that you are the one making the extraordinary claim, and that the burden of proof is on you. If there's something I have claimed that you don't trust, I'm perfectly willing to provide a source for you, but your claim is on you to prove.
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Regarding Sontag's quote it seem it is from 1967, and it was paraphrased. She said:
"Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Balanchine ballets, et al. don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history."
It is to this day considered one of her most controversial statement.
And I can't find anyone of significance called "Fernando Pena".
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@wellifthemediasaysit You can start by watching this compilation of 43 clips featuring Flight 175 flying into the south tower from different angles and distances.
watch?v=NpUKM0MFNaM
Then you can begin the job of contacting whitnesses and confirming their accounts, which I kid you not, will be the most embarrassing thing you've done in your life.
Lakshman Achutan, Stephen Atha, Daniel Bang, Rich Bautista, Mark Belair, John Bloom, Jennifer Bodner, Jena Bridges, Richard and Cathy Brown, etc.
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@SkullOfYorick Thaught I'd strengthen your case a bit. The following gods are all mentioned in the Bible:
Adrammelech, Anammelech, Ashima, Ashtoreth, Baal, Baal-berith, Baal-peor, Baal-zebub, Baalim, Bel, Chemosh, Dagon, Diana of the
Ephesians, Jehovah, Jupiter, Lucifer, Mercurius, Milcom, Molech, Nebo, Nergal, Nibhaz, Nisroch, Rimmon, Succoth-benoth, Tammuz, Tartak.
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@MixedSpecieMixedRace In order to counter local sudden changes in demand, it's important that labour/competence can flow freely without bureaucratic processes. I'm graduating University with a bachenour in engineering this spring, and I tell you it's a hell-of-a diverse class. India, vietnam, china, libanon, iran, kurds, muslims, christians, atheists, etc. In no way do they deserve to be looked down upon because some kids suffering identity issues perform below average. Integration takes time.
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