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This happened on a flight I was on. The pilot made an announcement as we were nearing the end of the flight, and when he was done, the mic was still hot. The he turns to the co-pilot and says "So Jim, what are you gonna do when we get to Mel-Born?" (Americans always say Melbourne like that)
"Well Bob the first thing I'm gonna do is go somewhere and take a great big dump. Then I'm going to pick up that hostie who came on board in Honolulu, take her to a hotel room, and give it too her from every angle possible."
Everyone on the plane heard this, including the hostie. And she wasn't happy. She stormed up towards to cockpit, flames shooting out of her ears. She was gonna give him a right piece of her mind. But as she ran past me, she tripped over. As she was getting to her feet, I looked down at her and said, "There's no need to hurry love, he's gotta take a dump first".
True story.
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@HardKore5250 There are essentially 3 types of flerfer. The charlatans, the trolls and the troglodytes. The charlatans don't actually believe the earth is flat, they're in it for the money. People like Eric Dubay and Mark Sargent make a fortune peddling their flat earth garbage to the troglodytes.
The trolls don't believe it either. They just repeat the garbage that they hear from the charlatans for the giggles, because that's what trolls do.
Then there's the low IQ troglodytes like our friend Uncommon Sense. They have a tendency to latch onto ridiculous conspiracy theories which more intelligent people simply refuse to entertain, because it gives them a sense of intellectual superiority. It helps them develop an alternate divergent reality in which they're not the idiots, everyone else is. They think they're actually the intelligent ones, because they know something other don't. Unfortunately, they're too stupid to realise this is counter intuitive, as all they're doing is confirming their own lack of intelligence.
But they do all have one thing in common, ask them to explain any one of countless observations which do not fit within any flat earth model, and they simply wont be able to answer. They'll make claims these questions have already been answered, but won't be able to demonstrate this in any way.
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@marigold6920 Sweden's Cv19 deaths are much higher than every single country which took adequate, early lockdown steps. Neither the UK or the US did this, which is why, like Sweden, they are seeing very high deaths per capita. BTW, claiming Sweden didn't lockdown is a bit disingenuous. The government didn't force them to lockdown, however, many citizens did go into voluntary lockdown. Public transport use was down by 60%, shops and restaurants almost empty. Claiming Sweden was BAU would be far from accurate.
The test for Cv19 is not fake. If it produces that many false positives, then why was Victoria able to perform millions of test over the course of 3 months without recording a single positive result? That would be mathematically impossible if the false positive rate is anything like you say it is.
Also the survival rate for Cv19 is NOT 99.98%. The fatality rate is well over 2%. Anyone who understands basic primary school maths knows why 99.98% is not possible. Perhaps you should ask a 10yo to explain it to you. Now off you go, back to you flat earth society.
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@ojosazules8828 The Delta variant in UK has a much higher case fatality rate unvaxxed than for vaxxed so clearly, you're inventing your own facts. The UK has a much higher vaccination rate than Australia does. In India, the delta variant has a fatality rate of at least 1.4%, and is most likely much higher, given their lack of accurate reporting. 1.4% of the Australian population is about 335k people. Are you seriously suggesting that letting 335k people die is a better option than going into lockdown? Ever if your grossly exaggerated 0.3% were accurate, that's still 75k people.
What makes you think that viruses weaken as they mutate? Oh, you think viruses that kill the host have a lower chance of survival, is that it? If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that doesn't hold true for viruses with an R0 as high as the delta variant has. In India, without any mitigation, then delta variant had an R0 of about 3. If every infected person is on average passing the virus to 3 other people, then there's no reason a more lethal virus will not survive.
STOP KILLING PEOPLE WITH YOUR LIES!!!
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@anotherlover6954 Yes, he does. He said "Global warming is indeed Mann-made, by Michael Mann and James Hansen. But it has nothing to do with climate or science.”
"There is no global warming crisis"
“I completely agree with Fred [Singer] that there probably has been little or no warming since the 1940s.”
Each of these statements are demonstrably false, as are his assertions that scientists falsify climate date in an attempt to justify their conclusions. If Tony knew what he was talking about, and wasn't so dishonest, he'd be telling you the truth, that the adjustments made to historic temperature records are necessary in order to make any meaningful comparison with contemporary measurements, and have actually reduced the apparent impact of climate change, not amplified it.
You see, Tony only looks at land based temperature adjustments. He doesn't tell you about the ocean based adjustments, which are somewhat larger, in the opposite direction. He only tells you what he wants you to hear, because he's painting a false narrative. Only a fool would take his word over that of a reputable climatologist who actually knows what he's talking about.
And finally, let me be quite clear on this: THERE IS NO RAW DATA WHICH SHOWS A LONG TERM COOLING TREND. It simply doesn't exist. The only way to possibly draw such a conclusion is by cherry picking the data, as Tony does.
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@Ironic1950 Of course he'd be willing to debate me live, I'm not a climate scientist, and would have difficulty pointing out his BS in real time, without the opportunity to research it. So what?
"nobody says sea levels have not risen,"
@tagiscom, the person I was responding to, said "there is no sea level rise at all anywhere!". Yes, at the moment it's only rising by a few mm per year. So what? Sea level rise due to increased temperature increases exponentially. Just over a year ago there were people pointing out the Cv19 wasn't an issue, because it had only killed a handful of people. You sound just like them.
I didn't say insults, I said "name calling". I didn't insult their intelligence, they did. I merely pointed it out. You're really scaping the bottom of the barrel there.
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@oldenshort1346 I certainly levitate above those who ignore or dispute the existence of the points I raise because they can't refute them, and those who think argumentum ad verecundiam makes for a valid argument, especially after they childishly and hypocritically accuse others of having "an Infantile brain".
Waffle on as much as you like, the fact still remains; I've refuted the cornerstone of your argument, and you've completely ignored mine. How you see that as a win for you, I'll never know.
BTW, I'm not disputing the findings of any peer reviewed paper. I'm disputing the illogical conclusions your Dr Charlatan is drawing from those findings. Yes, the vaccine does little to reduce household transmission, I've already agreed with that. But you can't use that to show it does little to reduce transmissions in general, which have vastly different mechanism. That's not logical. If I'm only contagious for 2 days, rather an 7, then I'm still going to give it to my wife, who I share a bed with every day, but I'm not going to give it to people I come in contact with on day 3, when I'm no longer contagious. Your failure to grasp, let alone address, this insanely simple concept leads me to suspect you're being deliberately ignorant.
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@oldenshort1346 You continue to ignore the fact that you cannot measure community transmission using only household data. The video you use as evidence even goes into detail about how these 2 methods of transmission are different. So obviously, it makes zero sense to use one to measure the other. I've tried to discuss this point with you, but you persist in avoiding it, resorting instead to childish personal attacks on every occasion. And you have the gall to call me a child? Really, that's just projection.
The fact remains, a shorter contagious period with mean lower community transmission, but not necessarily lower household transmission, so your Dr Charlatan has deliberately chosen a dataset which is incapable of detecting the change he's claims to be measuring, then claiming there is no change, all the while ignoring other datasets which do indeed highlight that change.
At 12:06 he says "Vaccine ineffectiveness" when the card he's reading from says "Vaccine effectiveness". This is an old trick charlatans use to brainwash people. Notice how quickly he says it, classic brainwashing technique there.
At 18:20 He claim, correctly, that natural immunity lasts longer. But he fails to mention the excessive cost. 1 in 50 people dies. about 1 in 8 require hospitalisation.
At 20:49 He references the UK weekly surveillance report, but fails to mention the report claims the vaccine has prevented 261,500 hospitalisation. Not even attempting to paint a balanced picture here.
At 23:33 He says he argues for "More data more data more data", this after using household transmission data, which is a much smaller dataset than community transmission data. He could have used community transmission data, but that wouldn't have give the results he was after.
The really telling thing is in the video description: "Access to all of Chris’s content, live webinars twice a month, and much much more is available to our paying members". Need I say more?
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@nealm6764 Another lie. They didn't say that either. I read the report, so know what they said and what you're saying right now, it's it. So you're not only a liar, you have NFI what you're talking about as well.
Do you know what the most common comorbidity mentioned by the CDC was? Pneumonia, brought on by the CV19 infection itself. Know what the second was? Chronic respiratory illness, also brought on by the CV19 infection. The most common pre-existing conditions included asthma, diabetes, obesity, and a range of other non-immediately life threatening conditions. So while mindless conspiracy nutters like yourself, who have never actually read the CDC report, would have us believe the CDC is claiming "All these people who died drowning in their own lung fluid didn't really die from CV19, they died because they were fat", I can assure you, nothing could be further from the truth.
Now, stop killing people with your lies.
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@MrWise_Christian "the animal studies say that these issues are only caused by the vaccine"
With statements like that, you're in no position to be calling anyone a liar.
From the Lancet article titled "6-month consequences of COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study"
In total, 1733 of 2469 discharged patients with COVID-19 were enrolled after 736 were excluded. Patients had a median age of 57·0 (IQR 47·0–65·0) years and 897 (52%) were men. The follow-up study was done from June 16, to Sept 3, 2020, and the median follow-up time after symptom onset was 186·0 (175·0–199·0) days. Fatigue or muscle weakness (63%, 1038 of 1655) and sleep difficulties (26%, 437 of 1655) were the most common symptoms. Anxiety or depression was reported among 23% (367 of 1617) of patients. The proportions of median 6-min walking distance less than the lower limit of the normal range were 24% for those at severity scale 3, 22% for severity scale 4, and 29% for severity scale 5–6. The corresponding proportions of patients with diffusion impairment were 22% for severity scale 3, 29% for scale 4, and 56% for scale 5–6, and median CT scores were 3·0 (IQR 2·0–5·0) for severity scale 3, 4·0 (3·0–5·0) for scale 4, and 5·0 (4·0–6·0) for scale 5–6. After multivariable adjustment, patients showed an odds ratio (OR) 1·61 (95% CI 0·80–3·25) for scale 4 versus scale 3 and 4·60 (1·85–11·48) for scale 5–6 versus scale 3 for diffusion impairment; OR 0·88 (0·66–1·17) for scale 4 versus scale 3 and OR 1·77 (1·05–2·97) for scale 5–6 versus scale 3 for anxiety or depression, and OR 0·74 (0·58–0·96) for scale 4 versus scale 3 and 2·69 (1·46–4·96) for scale 5–6 versus scale 3 for fatigue or muscle weakness. Of 94 patients with blood antibodies tested at follow-up, the seropositivity (96·2% vs 58·5%) and median titres (19·0 vs 10·0) of the neutralising antibodies were significantly lower compared with at the acute phase. 107 of 822 participants without acute kidney injury and with estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) 90 mL/min per 1·73 m2 or more at acute phase had eGFR less than 90 mL/min per 1·73 m2 at follow-up.
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@azzajames7661 Uhh... No. Here are 17 who disagree with you. All of them Nobel prize winners:
George A. Akerlof, Professor, Georgetown University
Sir Angus Deaton, Professor, Princeton University
Peter Diamond, Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Robert Engle, Professor Emeritus and Co-Director of the Volatility and Risk Institute, New York University
Oliver Hart, Professor, Harvard University
Daniel Kahneman, Professor, Princeton University
Eric S. Maskin, Professor, Harvard University
Daniel McFadden, Professor, University of California, Berkley
Paul Milgrom, Professor, Stanford University
Roger Myerson, Professor, University of Chicago
Edmund S. Phelps, Professor and Director of the Center on Capitalism and Society, Columbia University
Paul Romer, Professor, New York University
William Sharpe, Professor Emeritus, Stanford University
Robert Shiller, Professor, Yale University
Christopher Sims, Professor, Princeton University
Robert Solow, Professor Emeritus, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Joseph Stiglitz, Professor, Columbia University
The Dow has been trending down since last Tuesday, not up. So... you're wrong again. I'm starting to see why you support Trump.
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ydkydgk21 Apologies, I thought you were talking about last year. Not a strawman, an genuine mistake. During the latest outbreak in Vic, the 7 day average case rate never got above 8. It's sitting at around 30 in NSW, has been for a few days. That's what happens when you don't lock down immediately. That's what happens when you let the virus spread around before you take any action. Andrews didn't wait until he was getting 30+ cases a day, every day, he took immediate action, and never got above 12 cases a day, and even then it was only once. The lockdowns in Sydney have now gone on for longer than they did in Melb, and they're still going. Extended to July 16th, lots of luck with that.
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Daffy The DucK Joe Biden has dedicated his life to serving the American people. What has Joe Biden accomplished in 47 years, Trump zealots ask? A whole lot! We invite you to share this list below with your friends who would like to learn more about Joe Biden's achievements fighting for Americans, first as a U.S. Senator and then as Vice President alongside Barack Obama.
Reviving Our Economy
as Vice President, oversaw implementation of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009, then the biggest economic recovery plan in our country’s history. helped rebuild the American economy and save the American auto industry, lifting us out of the Great Recession
brokered Senate negotiations between Democrats and Republicans to pass the Budget Control Act of 2011 and avert a federal government shutdown
led a review in 2014 of federal employment and training programs that reach more than 21 million people per year, retooling $1.5 billion in grants to align with job-driven training best practices
Expanding Access to Healthcare
helped pass Obamacare (Affordable Care Act), guaranteeing health coverage for Americans with pre-existing conditions and 20 million who were previously uninsured
helped launch a “Cancer Moonshot” initiative in 2016 to accelerate efforts to prevent, diagnose and treat cancer
Advancing Women's Rights and Gender Equity
sponsored the original Violence Against Women Act in 1994, leading to a major decline in intimate partner violence, from 2.1 million victims in 1994 to 907,000 in 2010
oversaw the confirmation of Ruth Bader Ginsburg as the second woman in the history of the Supreme Court in 1993
as chair of an all-male Senate Judiciary Committee, advocated the addition of Senators Dianne Feinstein and Carol Moseley Braun
Climate Change
cosponsored proposed legislation to curb greenhouse gas emissions in 2007
called for American participation in UN climate negotiations in 2005
introduced one of the Senate’s first climate change bills, in 1986, leading to the creation of a task force on global warming
utilized his experience working across the aisle to establish a pragmatic plan to cut carbon emissions and secure a sustainable future (click here to read more)
oversaw dispersement of $90 billion for clean energy as part of the 2009 Recovery Act. solar power increased 20x between the years 2008 and 2016
Promoting Peace and Security
secured the passage of arms limitation agreements in 1979 between the United States and the Soviet Union, reducing the risk of global nuclear disaster
advocated for economic sanctions against South Africa’s apartheid government
pushed for U.S. intervention in the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s, ending ethnic cleansing and bringing peace to the region
supported expanding NATO to include Warsaw Pact nations Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, advancing the cause of an undivided, democratic and peaceful Europe
Protecting our children
served as primary sponsor of the PROTECT Our Children Act of 2008, helping law enforcement agencies to investigate and prosecute child predators
sponsored and introduced the Criminal History Background Checks Pilot Extension Act of 2008, allowing volunteer organizations – such as children’s sports groups – to obtain national and state criminal history background checks on their volunteers
Policing and criminal justice reform
Co-authored the 1994 crime bill, which has been credited with decreasing levels of violent crime, but also increasing rates of incarceration. Biden has recognized flaws with the original bill and his proposed policies look to address many of the concerns that resulted (click here to read more)
Stopping Far-Right Judges
as ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blocked Jeff Sessions from becoming a federal judge in 1986
blocked the nomination of Robert Bork, who wanted to roll back advances in civil rights, to the Supreme Court in 1987
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@PJRayment Who says any of them are supreme? Besides, most pizza shops I've been to sell a supreme pizza. Australia has several "supreme" courts, as do other countries, but in Australia, the high court is the highest in the land. Maybe "supreme" doesn't mean what you think it does. But at least you admitted there are many gods, that's a start.
Apologies, auto-type on my phone sometimes inserts the strangest words. Let's just say you feel very very strongly that people who are minding their own business and causing you no harm, should live their lives the way you want them to, not the way they want to. And all because your imaginary friend told you so.
That fact you even ask means you simply don't understand it. If you did understand it, you wouldn't need to ask. You'd know that the passage means to worry about your own short comings, and let others worry about theirs. I don't remember Jesus taking issue with gay people. Why do so many of his followers think it so important, that they'll spend hours on the internet arguing about it, all the while kidding themselves that their actions aren't driven by hate?
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@ssr6036 The mortality rate would go up, because less people would receive adequate treatment. We simply don't have enough ICU beds. Then there's the fact that other, who would normally make use of those ICU beds, wouldn't get adequate treatment either, and would also die, not from CV19, but simply be virtue of the fact that so many other had it.
Maybe it's time for you to provide an example. I'm sure you have many. Name a country that did nothing in the face of a Cv19 outbreak in order to prevent it from spread, without seeing disastrous result. Seems to me, the countries which did little USA, UK, India, Brazil, Sweden, all had fairly high numbers of deaths per capita. That hardly makes them a role model.
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@lestonthompson8495 Because the courts ruled that they didn't illegally change the law. If you knew what you were talking about then you'd at least know what the law, as it's written is not what determines the legally of an action, only the court's interpretation of that law as it's written. The courts determined that the, as it's written, was not breached. That's the process. You think it was breach due to your own interpretation of the law (or more likely, someone else's who's equally unqualified), but that's meaningless, because you're not on the SC.
As for the laws not going through state legislators, they don't have to. The constitution does not prevent state legislators from delegating that responsibility, which is precisely what they did. They've been doing it for decades, and now, because Trump can't man up and accept the fact that more people hate him than love him, only now do you think it's a problem.
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@myquestionaskingaccount3252 Deaths are no longer counted as active cases. Also, you can't look at active cases to determine what % of cases are mild. Just because a case is mild today does not mean it won't require hospitalisation tomorrow. Such cases would be classed as mild when they're not. All severe cases start out as mild.
Worldometers also says in the last month there have been 15,258,377 cases and 338,719 deaths, a mortality rate of 2.22%. It also says that global cases are at 176,066,274, with 159,644,917 recovered, a recovery rate of 90.67%.
Do some research next time bud so you don't look like such a fool
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@soarindragon603 It was posted to the Vic Dept of health website. I saw it more than 6 months ago. I'm going to take the time to find it again (if it's even still there) to satisfy someone who can't support their own claims with evidence. NOT OPINON, EVIDENCE.
No, I've seen that video, and you're misrepresenting what he said. And even if it is what he said, it wouldn't be relevant. One good test is worth 1000 expert opinions. 3,000,000 PCR tests, zero false positives.
They? who is they? Who did these test? You don't know. I know you don't know, because the only person who does know is the person who made those claims, and failed to support them with any evidence what so ever, just like you're doing now.
One batch? How many tests do you think are in a batch? Let's face it troll, you got nothing.
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@alanakafang6143 The DHHS website no longer provides the breakdown of data I used to draw that conclusion. It was about 3,000,000 test which they performed during the period of several months when they had zero new cases.
However, they do give a total tests performed of 6,035,711 and a total number of cases of 20,539. assuming that every one of those tests is a false positive (which is extremely unlikely considering they had 820 deaths), that would give a maximum false positive rate of 0.34%. given that there were 820 deaths, the number of false positives is likely to far lower than 20,539, given a the fatality rate of Cv19. In fact, it's likely to be almost zero.
Hope this helps.
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@danielsabatino6183 "And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
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@markhills3922 No there's not. Said evidence relies on the false assumption that correlation equates to causality, and as a result, is less than worthless. Studies which look at the correlation between high case rates and lockdown rates are pointless. They completely ignore the fact the high lockdown rates are caused by the high case rates, rather than the other way around.
The correct way to measure the impact of lockdowns is to look at case rates before and after they're implemented. eg, Lock what happens in Melbourne when they get an outbreak. Before the implement lockdowns, numbers are rising. They implement lockdowns, and the numbers fall again. FFS, Melb went from 700+ cases per day to zero cases for 3 months. How? Lockdowns, that's how. Saying they don't work is pure ignorance, your so call "evidence" not withstanding.
"causes more harm than good"
Absolute garbage. A lie spread by science denying troll like yourself, with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.
"What? you think the "virus" is going to run away?"
Do you know anything about vaccine escape variants, and what causes them? The cause is pretty much exactly what you're suggesting. Allow a highly contagious virus to spread unrestricted in a partly vaccinated society. Go get yourself a clue, and look up "vaccine escape variants".
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@thefenskes5020 Well, this for starters. "most people don't have any symptoms". That's garbage. The best estimates for the asymptomatic rate are 15% - 30%. That's not "most people", not even close. Feel free to provide a reference from the relevant government agencies which 100% supports his claim, but you wont find any.
His comments on the CDC are a lie. The interaction between the virus and the host is country independent. So yes, what the CDC finds is relevant to Australia, just as it is the rest of the world.
"and it kills less than 0.03% of the people who do contract it and are confirmed to have done so by same" Another lie. The mortality rate for Cv19 is above 2%. Feel free to provide a reference from the relevant government agencies which 100% supports his claim of 0.03%.
Then there's his implication that the lockdowns in Vic are unnecessary, supported by statistics which any sane person not trying to distort the truth would interpret as "The lockdowns are doing what they're intended to do, preventing the virus from spreading". Sinnergism is actually suggesting the fact the lockdowns are so successful means they never should have been implemented in the first place. Utterly ridiculous. He's also using the result of the action rather than the alternative. Quite deceptive. There's no point in discussing the number of cases/hospitalisation/deaths that occur once lockdowns are implemented when you're attempting to show they shouldn't have been implemented in the first place. No, what you need there is the number of cases/hospitalisation/deaths which would have occurred if lockdowns weren't implemented at all, or if they were implemented to late or not stringently enough. There are many examples around the world where lockdowns weren't as adequately implemented as they have been here, and none of them suggest they're doing better than we are. In almost all cases, far from it.
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@leofortey7561 Yes, a vastly different culture. We don't hand out guns with happy meals like that do in the US. We make it much more difficult for people to purchase firearms, and make them more responsible for them when they do. Know how many people in Australia, own a legal handgun, for the purpose of self defence, which lives on their bed side table? NONE. Know how many criminal obtain a handgun from stealing it from a person like this? Go on, have a guess.
As go your "gun free zone" analogy. There's not really any such thing as a gun free zone in the US. Also, your cause an effect are reversed. Gun free zones do not cause shootings. The risk of shootings cause gun free zones. So pointing out that there are more shootings in (your) gun free zones is meaningless. I say (your), because we don't have these sort of shootings in out gun free zones.
eg. This decade, there have been numerous school shootings in Texas, probably the most gun liberal state in the union. I can't remember the last time someone was shot in a school in Australia. In fact, it's possible it's never happened. That's the comparison you should be looking at. You should be asking yourself "What do they do differently?"
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@PJRayment Yes you are. You're making moral claims, based on your belief in God. If you can't p[rove he exists, then you're in no position to be asking other for proof.
I did ask you for evidence, you continue to refuse to provide any.
Here, I'll give you evidence that the God you believe in, as described in the bible, does not exist. The bible claims that about 6500 years ago, the earth was formless, with darkness over the surface, so there was obviously no sun. Within 6 days, he had created man.
Through science, we know this is not even close to being correct. The timelines and order of events is completely wrong. It took billions of years, and the sun was there first.
So there you go, I'm only in the first chapter, and I've completely discredited your only source. Now, what evidence do you have? Failure on your part to provide any evidence on your next post will bring this debate to and end.
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@maryanndeweerd2570 Labor bought in a carbon tax which did force a downward trend on CO2 emissions, until it was repealed by the LNP. Something like that?
China produces less carbon per capita than most developed nations. As it's a developing nation, they may well say "Well if the developed nations like the US, Australia, etc aren't reducing their emissions, why should we?", and then nobody reduces their emissions. China is also investing heavily in renewable energy sources, while Australia is opening new coal mines. I think we can do better, which will put us in a better position to insist they do also.
The gun analogy was spot on. The logic you're employing is, it's been happening for a long time, so a recent cause can't be causing it to happen now. The gun analogy fits that logic perfectly, and you know it, which is why the only criticism you had of it was to call it pathetic and irrelevant, without even so much as attempting to explain why.
There's nothing wrong with solar and wind. Denmark gets 45% of its energy from wind alone. The energy produced can be stored to be used when output is low. There are other energy sources too, like Hydropower, which provides Norway with 90% of its energy.
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@trevormcd8541 No, just a few. But that's all you really need to know. He was told "There's really strong evidence it was man made". He was told "There's something here which might suggest it was man made, but we won't know until we look into it further". Later, was told by the same person "Looked into it further, and turns out it was nothing, so there's nothing to suggest it was man made". It was after the second emails he went public with his claim there was no evidence to support he lab theory, because at the time, that was the case.
Now, anyone who reports the first email to you as "He was told there's a very good chance it was man made" and doesn't tell you anything about the second email... anyone who does that is lying, right? Because that's how Sky New Aust, Fox, and all the other Trump loving news outlets are reporting it.
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@George Rock A virus's mutation rate is base on, among other things, the rate at which it propagates. Cv19 propagated very quickly though unvaccinated populations much faster than the flu, so yes, mutations are more common. However, the variations bought about by these mutations are much smaller in Cv19, which is why vaccines for the original strain also work on the variant strains. This isn't the case for the flu, which is why flu shots vary each year. Eventually, a Cv19 mutation will most likely make it resistant to the existing vaccines, but this is yet to occur.
If every single person on the planet was to get vaccinated against Cv19 tomorrow, it would reduce the transmission rate to the point where the occurrence of these mutations is extremely rare. This could also be said about the flu, however, the flu isn't nearly as prolific as Cv19, and does far less damage.
Hope this helps.
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@truthbetold2012 You should read "The COVID-19 PCR Test Is Reliable Despite the Commotion About Ct Values" by Jonathan Jarry M.Sc.
"The people sharing the claim that COVID-19 PCR testing is not reliable because of high Ct values are just amplifying noise."
"As the COVID-19 pandemic raged on, some people decided that the disease was nowhere near as severe as we had been told and looked for ways to discredit public health efforts. One of their alleged smoking guns? The laboratory test for COVID-19, called a PCR test, was not being done properly, they told us. The Ct values were apparently too high and the test was spitting out random noise. The COVID-19 PCR test, they decided, was a broken machine churning out false positives and fear.
None of this is true. In my laboratory days, I did countless PCRs, and I want to explain what a PCR is, what those Ct values are and what they mean, and why the scientists interpreting these tests actually know what they are doing"
Sorry, but I'll listen to people who have actually used this test over people like you who don't know what they're talking about.
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Isolation of potent SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and protection from disease in a small animal model
View ORCID ProfileThomas F. Rogers1,2,*, View ORCID ProfileFangzhu Zhao1,3,4,*, View ORCID ProfileDeli Huang1,*, View ORCID ProfileNathan Beutler1,*, Alison Burns1,3,4, View ORCID ProfileWan-ting He1,3,4, View ORCID ProfileOliver Limbo3,5, View ORCID ProfileChloe Smith1,3, View ORCID ProfileGe Song1,3,4, View ORCID ProfileJordan Woehl3,5, View ORCID ProfileLinlin Yang1, View ORCID ProfileRobert K. Abbott4,6, Sean Callaghan1,3,4, Elijah Garcia1, View ORCID ProfileJonathan Hurtado1,4,7, Mara Parren1, Linghang Peng1, View ORCID ProfileSydney Ramirez6, James Ricketts1, View ORCID ProfileMichael J. Ricciardi8, Stephen A. Rawlings2, View ORCID ProfileNicholas C. Wu9, View ORCID ProfileMeng Yuan9, View ORCID ProfileDavey M. Smith2, View ORCID ProfileDavid Nemazee1, View ORCID ProfileJohn R. Teijaro1, View ORCID ProfileJames E. Voss1, View ORCID ProfileIan A. Wilson3,4,9, Raiees Andrabi1,3,4, View ORCID ProfileBryan Briney1,4,7, View ORCID ProfileElise Landais1,3,4,5, View ORCID ProfileDevin Sok1,3,4,5,†, View ORCID ProfileJoseph G. Jardine3,5,†, View ORCID ProfileDennis R. Burton1,3,4,10,†
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Science 21 Aug 2020:
Vol. 369, Issue 6506, pp. 956-963
DOI: 10.1126/science.abc7520
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Protective neutralizing antibodies
Antibodies produced by survivors of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) may be leveraged to develop therapies. A first step is identifying neutralizing antibodies, which confer strong protection against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Rogers et al. used a high-throughput pipeline to isolate and characterize monoclonal antibodies from convalescent donors. Antibodies were selected for binding to the viral spike protein, which facilitates entry into host cells by binding to the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor. Most isolated antibodies bound to regions of the spike outside of the receptor binding domain (RBD); however, a larger proportion of the RBD-binding antibodies were neutralizing, with the most potent binding at a site that overlaps the ACE2 binding site. Two of the neutralizing antibodies were tested in Syrian hamsters and provided protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection.
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Countermeasures to prevent and treat coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) are a global health priority. We enrolled a cohort of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)–recovered participants, developed neutralization assays to investigate antibody responses, adapted our high-throughput antibody generation pipeline to rapidly screen more than 1800 antibodies, and established an animal model to test protection. We isolated potent neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) to two epitopes on the receptor binding domain (RBD) and to distinct non-RBD epitopes on the spike (S) protein. As indicated by maintained weight and low lung viral titers in treated animals, the passive transfer of a nAb provides protection against disease in high-dose SARS-CoV-2 challenge in Syrian hamsters. The study suggests a role for nAbs in prophylaxis, and potentially therapy, of COVID-19. The nAbs also define protective epitopes to guide vaccine design.
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@XHALE303 Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea
Wan Beom Park,1,2,* Nak-Jung Kwon,3,* Su-Jin Choi,2 Chang Kyung Kang,1 Pyoeng Gyun Choe,1 Jin Yong Kim,4 Jiyoung Yun,3 Gir-Won Lee,3 Moon-Woo Seong,5 Nam Joong Kim,1,2 Jeong-Sun Seo,3,6 and Myoung-don Oh1,2
1Department of Internal Medicine, Seoul National University College of Medicine, Seoul, Korea.
2Laboratory of Infection & Immunity, Seoul National University Hospital Biomedical Research Institute, Seoul, Korea.
3Macrogen Inc., Seoul, Korea.
4Department of Internal Medicine, Incheon Medical Center, Incheon, Korea.
5Department of Laboratory Medicine, Seoul National University College of Medicine, Seoul, Korea.
6Precision Medicine Center, Seoul National University Bundang Hospital, Seongnam, Korea.
Address for Correspondence: Myoung-don Oh, MD. Department of Internal Medicine, Seoul National University College of Medicine, 101 Daehak-ro, Jongno-gu, Seoul 03080, Korea. Email: mdohmd@snu.ac.kr
*Wan Beom Park and Nak-Jung Kwon equally contributed to the study.
Received Feb 11, 2020; Accepted Feb 17, 2020.
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Abstract
Novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) is found to cause a large outbreak started from Wuhan since December 2019 in China and SARS-CoV-2 infections have been reported with epidemiological linkage to China in 25 countries until now. We isolated SARS-CoV-2 from the oropharyngeal sample obtained from the patient with the first laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection in Korea. Cytopathic effects of SARS-CoV-2 in the Vero cell cultures were confluent 3 days after the first blind passage of the sample. Coronavirus was confirmed with spherical particle having a fringe reminiscent of crown on transmission electron microscopy. Phylogenetic analyses of whole genome sequences showed that it clustered with other SARS-CoV-2 reported from Wuhan.
Keywords: 2019 Novel Coronavirus; Culture; Microscopy, Electron; Phylogeny; Korea
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@paulcowan3222 "opi ionated"
If I were as pathetically childish as you, I might assume English wasn't your first language, but I'm not, so I'll just assume that like me, sometimes you make typos, and sometimes what you swipe on your phone isn't what you thought it was.
You're entitled to your own opinion, just as everyone else is. What you're not entitled to are you own facts. You claim that historic records are adjusted because they were inaccurate, you even claimed they're not accurate today. You claim that weather stations are not relocated. None of these claims are even remotely true.
Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one, most of them stink. It's fact that I'm interested in, and your are... well they're just lies really. Make sure you teach the grandkids that.
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Seeker Truth The last pandemic that was anywhere close to this one was probably the Spanish flu, which was over 100 years ago. The advancements over the last 100 years in both the medical field as was as communication of information make any comparison between the 2 futile.
As for ivermectin:
"EMA has reviewed the latest evidence on the use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 and concluded that the available data do not support its use for COVID-19 outside well-designed clinical trials.
In the EU, ivermectin tablets are approved for treating some parasitic worm infestations while ivermectin skin preparations are approved for treating skin conditions such as rosacea. Ivermectin is also authorised for veterinary use for a wide range of animal species for internal and external parasites.
Ivermectin medicines are not authorised for use in COVID-19 in the EU, and EMA has not received any application for such use.1
Following recent media reports and publications on the use of ivermectin, EMA reviewed the latest published evidence from laboratory studies, observational studies, clinical trials and meta-analyses. Laboratory studies found that ivermectin could block replication of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19), but at much higher ivermectin concentrations than those achieved with the currently authorised doses. Results from clinical studies were varied, with some studies showing no benefit and others reporting a potential benefit. Most studies EMA reviewed were small and had additional limitations, including different dosing regimens and use of concomitant medications. EMA therefore concluded that the currently available evidence is not sufficient to support the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 outside clinical trials.
Although ivermectin is generally well tolerated at doses authorised for other indications, side effects could increase with the much higher doses that would be needed to obtain concentrations of ivermectin in the lungs that are effective against the virus. Toxicity when ivermectin is used at higher than approved doses therefore cannot be excluded."
That's why.
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@George Mann My initial calculations weren't based on 3 phase. 1000MW? You're shifting the goalposts now. There's simply no way the resistance of the cable you're describing would have a resistance high enough to cause it to dissipate the 13W/m (well, it's actually closer to 17W/m, because you can't do percentages) you claimed? I didn't say the power lines were 8mm, I said they'd need to be about that in order to dissipate the 13W/m (17W/m) that you claimed, base on 40MW (50MW) load. And they would. And why would the power lines be 1,000km anyway? Why would they build a windfarm so far away? Australia is a big place, lots of open spaces within 200km of major cities. There's simply no need for such a remote wind farm.
So given you're unnecessarily long power lines, which you're claiming have a much higher resistance than they actually do, your assumption that the power source somehow effects the line loss, and you're inability to understand percentages (nah, come on, lets face it, you just screwed up how line loss works, and assumed it was a measure of the load power rather than the total power, that's what really happened, isn't)... given all that, it's no wonder you came to the demonstrably false conclusion that renewable energy causes 25% line loss. Line loss of long distance power lines, even at 1,000km, is about 2-3% max. REGARDLESS OF HOW THE POWER IS GENERATED.
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@George Mann Allow me:
765kV @ 535A = 709MW
3 * 16.2W/m = 48.6MW for 1,000km.
Now I know this next bit might confuse you, because there are percentages involved.
48.6 is not 25% of 709, not even close. It's about 7%. And that's based on 3 conductors. Of course, they use a lot more than 3 conductors, so the real world line loss would be a fraction of that. With 24 conductors, it would be less than 1%.
The thing you forgot to account for when you increased the current 3.5 fold in order to make your power dissipation figure correct, it increases the total power from 200MW (your original figure) to 709MW, which reduced the line loss. I suppose that's a easy mistake to make, if you don't know how percentages work.
Now scurry off back to your cave, troll.
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@George Mann There you go again, trying to calculate line loss without considering resistance. If the plant is delivering an average of 250MW, then is the average RMS current would be 188.7A, not 535A. The gives a line loss of about 6MW. Even when outputting the full 1000MW, the current would be 754.7A, 96MW, so not even 10%. The only way you can make your 25% figure work is to use High output current and low power delivery figures in the same calculation, quite deceptive. Oh yeah, and 3 conductors.
Ok then, lets try going the other way, and see where we end up. You say 17 watts/meter and 17mOhm per 1000 feet, which is 56uOhms/m. That gives a current of 482A @ 765kV 639MW. The 3 conductors are dissipating 17MW each, 51MW. Nope, 51 is not 25% of 639. Once again, your figures simply don't work. The only work when you use a different current value to determine the total power than you do to determine the power lost in the line.
Once again, I didn't say they were 8mm, I said they would have to have been 8mm in order for your calculations to be accurate.
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@George Mann Your last post made no mention of resistance.
I'm not confusing anything. Your calculations are flawed, as I pointed out.
Apologies, I left 13W in my spreadsheet. For 17W the current would be 551A. However, the premise still stands. 551A at 765kV = 730MW. The 51 is not 25% of 730. (At least I'm man enough to admit my mistakes, and not blame them on typos).
Why on earth would you interpret that statement as "The power dissipated in the line is dissipated at the load"? That makes no sense what so ever. How could the same power be dissipated in the line and at the load? Clearly I'm asking how much current would be requires to cause the amount of power dissipated in the load to be equal to 1/3 of the amount of power being dissipated at the load. You know damn well that's what I was asking. We have already defined the cable size and length. 3 conductors, 35mm, 17 mOhms per 1000 ft. And the voltage was given, so you have everything you need to answer the question.
3 Conductors, each 1000km in length with a resistance of 56Ohms, 765kV, 3 phase. How much current would you need in each conductor to cause the total amount of power dissipated in the conductors to be equal to 1/3 of the amount of power being dissipated at the load? I bet you can't answer, again. You could try childish semantics again, but that didn't really work last time.
You question is irrelevant. You can't have an average annual line loss of 25% if the line loss never goes above 25%. In the scenario you've give, it never goes above 7%. In a real world scenario, it wouldn't go about 1%, as there would be multiple conductors per phase.
So, how much current for 25% line loss?
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@George Mann Here, let me help you. A 1000MW, 765kV supply running at peak capacity, with 250MW (25%) being dissipated in the line, which consists of 3 X 56 Ohm (17mOhm/1000ft) conductors. That's 83MW per conductor.
P = IIr
83,333,333 = 56II
II = 1,488,095
I = 1219A
But 765kV @ 1219A is a lot more than 1000MW. At a power factor of 0.95, that's about 1534MW. Even at 50% above peak output, when the instantaneous line loss is the highest, it's less than the 25% you quoted. The average of a series of numbers, all of which are below 25, cannot be greater than 25.
And of course, there would be multiple sets of conductors, so.... Well lets just say I'm not surprised you refused to answer.
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