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Comments by "Paul Frederick" (@1pcfred) on "Japan vs German Pliers (LINEMAN)? Knipex vs Vampliers, Fujita, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Channellock" video.
If your burning up your Grips welding I don't see how it really matters. You won't find any Rice Grips in my collection purely for nationalistic reasons though. When it says, "The Original" it ain't! When they moved the plant 342 Americans were put out of work. That was in a town of 645. I bet it was a win for tumbleweeds.
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What you probably need are JIS screwdrivers. Their crosspoint screws look a lot like Phillips but aren't.
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@E-H_Psychology_Student I have snips from a number of different manufacturers and it is less the tool and more how you use it. To use snips effectively you have to use them right. Cutting sheet metal is not the same as using scissors on construction paper. It may look a lot alike but it really isn't.
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I Am Real Eyes there were decent tools from the 70s. But a lot of garbage was made then as well. At any given time people suffer from survivor bias. That's when they see surviving examples from a previous era and wrongly assume that everything from then was that good. Discounting all of the junk that has been discarded in the intervening time.
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I was wondering about that myself. The only test I thought was valid this time around was the pressure to cut Romex wire. The rest of the stuff I wouldn't use linesmans to do. Linesmans pliers are just for wiring up solid wire. OK reaming conduit and pulling fish tape are valid uses too. Past that you're begging. Maybe holding a nut while you're tightening a screw too? That's an edge use case though. Smashing a cockroach as it's scuttling past.
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I have a lot of Channellock pliers. It's my "good" set. Are they the best? No. They're good enough for what I do though. Their linesmans did better than I thought they would here. But I don't have the model that was tested. I have old big rivet ones and one pair of box joint ones. They're model 349
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@siamsurf you are right and I know how contractions work. I was distracted thinking about the point I was trying to make rather than my grammar.
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@WowRixter retailers are interested in casting the widest net possible in pursuit of profits. To that end they are not going to give anyone any information that would dissuade their purchase decision. To put is another way they're wise about people like you. And they want your money too!
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I Am Real Eyes most tools today are pretty good. As a species we've just gotten better at manufacturing. To the point where even the worst quality products are generally not that bad really. There were a lot of very crappy tools back in the 70s.
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@FRLN500 most hand tools are pretty decent today. If you're decent using them. A craftsman never blames his tools. You just have to work with them. Understand them. Know limits. People can get funny ideas doing mechanical work. You have to stay grounded in reality. Ratchets are not breaker bars. That truth escapes many folks though.
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@louishappy7555 when you can exert 395 pounds of pressure with your hand then you need to worry about that. Fujiya does not sound like an American name brand to me either. But for those tougher jobs I break out my 3 foot bolt cutters anyways.
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An interesting test. Electricians are either going to use Klein or Knipex though. There's not much rationality when it comes to religious matters. Science does not enter into the conversation!
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@jdniedner I call them, the tool that shall not be named. Or you can call them Nazi tools. Perfectly acceptable.
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You warp rotors by tightening them up wrong. I remember at a garage we showed a guy how to do the star pattern and he thought we were kidding. We were like, No we're serious. We kidded around a lot but then we were being serious. He thought we were just having fun with him.
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If you are an electrician using linesmans every day then you know what you need to use linesmans pliers for. It isn't really for cutting screws and nails much either. Cutting through Romex wire is a valid use though. That you will do.
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When you have to carry them all day long the light Japanese ones become attractive.
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@nemo5335 there's a lot going on with China. They have their reasons not to be completely forthright with the west. Let's just say the Long March is not just a rocket in their space program. They are playing another long game indeed.
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@macinfloydvolk plenty of economy manufacturers are producing solid goods today. Durability is a part of the economy equation after all. It isn't just the cheapest thing available.
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@pineapplesideways3820 only the British would make anything called vice grips. In the USA we have squads that deal with vice. We refer to the tools as vises.
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I Am Real Eyes then you should know materials are generally good these days.
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@pineapplesideways3820 in the USA "vice" is corruption and a "vise" is a holding tool. British English lacks the word "vise".
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In America almost all professional electricians use Kleins. I'm not saying that makes them the best. But there must be some reason why that's the case.
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The best adjustable wrench I've ever used was a Bahco. Due to their design tightened Bacho adjustable wrenches lock onto fasteners.
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Frugal Family Living the big factor in leverage is how close to the pivot point you can get the jaws. Half the pliers that failed here did so because they really pushed what could be done there. Either that little snap by the pivot or the pivot itself breaking. Most folks do not have a few hundred pounds of grip strength though.
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