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Germany did not make anything like the B-29 or the atomic bomb. They were lucky they surrendered when they did. Or they'd have got glowed up instead of Japan.
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Why should I? A friend of mine's family was close personal friends with the good doctor. So I am well aware of who he was. When you walked into their house they had a picture on the wall of him with the whole brood. They may have even been related? I grew up in a very connected community. Von Braun used technology developed by this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard .
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Actually the Russians did the bulk of the dying. Every other person that died in WW2 was a Russian. So what was their grand plan? Were they trying to drown the Nazis in communist blood? Because if they were it didn't work. The USA could have been in Berlin months before the Russians made it but we turned south because Berlin was in their zone of occupation. Look on a map where Berlin is someday. It is way to the east in Germany. I worked with a Pollak that came from behind the curtain and when I told him how Lenin made it to Moscow he face went blank. He just didn't believe me. It was like he was learning the sky was blue. I had to say if you don't believe me go to the library and look it up. just from his expression it was obvious it wasn't what he was taught. But he never did elaborate on what he thought the truth was. So I have been exposed to alternate views. Or at least their effects. We also supplied the Russians with critical war materials. All of the trucks that moved their artillery which was quite decisive in battle were built in Detroit. Among many other materials they relied on. So don't think just because a lot of Russians died they won the war. Stalin was begging us to open up the western front because if we hadn't they'd have collapsed. So we died in Normandy for Russians.
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Show me who else financed the project. I know about all of the foreign nationals that were involved. But we paid all of them too.
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Edward Teller wouldn't have had a pot to piss in if we didn't buy it and give it to him. Great minds unfunded can't do jack. The atomic program was one of the most expensive things the USA ever did. When we built it the K-25 separation building was the largest building on the planet. Without what it produced no boom. Ideas not implemented are worthless. It is only execution that matters in this world.
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+Froman Abe government creates the environment where you can earn a living period. Because if it wasn't for them someone like me would come along burn your house down and nail you to a tree. And that would be that. Because you're an insufferable dolt. Then you could serve the only purpose you're suited for, a mute reminder to all that would see your carcass not to be like you. A contribution to the arts indeed. But hey at least the government wouldn't have to fund it, right?
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Actually you didn't. The Germans had the first operational jet fighter but the British Meteor flew first. Nazi Germany never achieved a chain reaction either. Facts.
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When he became a US citizen he was. Then someone is an American. For Einstein that was 1940.
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They lost so they achieved nothing.
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The Germans had not come up with the idea of a nuclear chain reaction caused by critical mass. Heisenberg was told about it after the war.
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Not really. Germany landed a sucker punch. But when the world hit back Germany took a whooping.
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The USA supplied all Allied forces from day 1. Hell we were even shelling Kraut U-Boats long before we declared war. It just took FDR some time to fake news us into the conflict.
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They're not invading my southern border right now so I don't hate them.
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Their goal was to try to experience how ancients made iron. If they wanted iron they could have went to a scrapyard and gotten tons of it.
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+Malte vde Einstein was an American in 1940. The rest of the losers on your list came up with nothing when it comes to nuclear weapons.
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Don't tell me who made the bomb. A buddy of mine's grandfather worked on the project and he was no Kraut. Well my buddy was half a kraut was, but his Grandfather wasn't. The kraut came from his mother's side of the family. His grandpa was Scottish.
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We made our fission bombs without any heavy water. You only need heavy water to make fusion bombs. You're not making one of those without a fission kicker stage either. We had an intel sharing arrangement with the UK that we came out on the short side of. If we'd known at the outset just low little they had to contribute we'd have never entered into it. Which is to say their contribution added up to nothing.
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@Blackadder75 we kick ass because that's what we do.
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@thechickenmaster6543 no one can beat America. Everyone has like 10 guns a piece here. Them Nazis would never make it through Brooklyn.
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@6h471 developing nuclear weapons was one of the most ambitious undertakings humanity has ever accomplished. So we had to have a really good reason to do it. Which is to say there's no way we'd have made the investment if there was not a war on. To this day it is questionable if we ever should have developed the bomb. But what's done is done. Now the sword of Damocles hangs over all of our heads to the end of time.
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Patton loved those shells. The Krauts didn't know what they were being hit with. He had batteries set the fuses to go off 20 feet in the air and it'd break up infantry assaults. Good stuff! Those shells had vacuum tubes in them. Little teeny tiny ones. How they made tubes that survived being launched out of cannon is beyond me. They were totally top secret at the time too. The Jerries also dropped the ball early on with radar too. The British had their towers right on the coast and they were never targeted. If Chain Home would have been knocked out the Battle of Britain would have gone much differently. As the Brits really didn't have the force to mount an effective defense without radar warning. That lost the Nazis the war right there. Stalingrad was not their first defeat. Though the strategic blunder of pursuing the Blitz didn't help them either. A few more weeks of focusing on RAF bases may have broken England. It was a close thing. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades though.
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Einstein did not work on the Manhattan Project.
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@andrewCNC905 that's better than whatever you are.
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@thechickenmaster6543 you're making the same mistake Germany did. Underestimating America's prowess in combat. They thought we were soft and did not have the stomach for it. They were wrong and you are too.
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@thechickenmaster6543 you don't understand how war works, or the objective of warfare. Which is to deprive the enemy of the will to resist. No one loses until they say they've lost. Americans are not apt to do that either. They say the Japanese were fanatical but there were many instances where Americans proved to be even more fanatical while we killed all of them. On Tarawa we let about a dozen of them live. That was out of a garrison of about 20,000. Americans just have a lot of spirit. That kind of thing can't be defeated either. It does not matter what you have. I'll tell you what General Anthony McAuliffe said to superior German forces at Bastogne when they called for his surrender, Nuts!
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Moritz Schmidt no I wouldn't. If it wasn't for you Germans half of Europe would not have been behind an Iron Curtain for 50 years.
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@Jasonsenipor oh yeah. Germany had facilities that rivaled the K-25 separation plant in Oak Ridge. Sure. Mile long buildings, I mean who doesn't have those? Germany for one. If the Krauts built something like that we'd have bombed it into dust. Here today gone today. They had no way of refining Uranium whatsoever. We did take some raw yellowcake off one of their subs we captured though and used it. That did happen. The rest you say is pure fantasy though.
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@Bill Tabbert we were never going to be allies with Germany. Why share the top spot when you can occupy it by yourself? In order to win everyone else has to lose. So we joined the losing side, won, and came out smelling like roses. It cemented the USA's dominance on this planet for a generation. Throw all of that away for some lofty idealistic nonsense? Not on your life! Why just act high and mighty when you can be high and mighty?
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@Bill Tabbert your forefathers may not have, but the founding fathers did. All in all I'd say we've done OK for ourselves too. The USA remains the greatest nation this world has ever seen.
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@horriblecunt6737 "One should herd the entire intelligentsia into a mine and then blow it sky-high." -Heinrich Müller (Gestapo) You really have zero clue. Your name is a fitting one.
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@horriblecunt6737 a lot of German scientists were Jews and guess what happened to those people. The lucky ones came and worked for us. They worked very hard for us in fact. It was almost like they had something personal against those Nazis. Meanwhile Hitler himself was a failed art student and Goering was stealing trainloads of artwork for himself. So not exactly the hardworking scientific types themselves. Nazis did not like intellectuals but would take advantage of them when the opportunity presented itself. In their plans for the future Nazis had no place for technology either. They looked backwards, not forwards. The grand Nazi plan was to found a feudal society where peasants worked the land for their lords by hand. Which isn't quite Buck Rodgers. Or even what we have today for that matter.
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@jameskuukkeli if they were so superior why'd they lose?
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If the greedy government hadn't bought those ICs someone else would have. Aerospace was also against ICs. They liked doing things the old way. Large institutions often suffer from inertia. The whole space race was just a conflict with the communists. Nothing more, nothing less. That's why after Apollo we slacked off. No one gives a toss about space. Space is a vacuum so it sucks!
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Goddard flew a liquid propelled rocket in 1926. In Massachusetts I believe it was. The Space Age itself happened because the Soviets could not compete with the USA when it came to strategic bombers. We were happy to let those Nazis rot in Huntsville for all of time. But then we felt it may be better if they did something.
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I ran a break down saw we liberated from those Nazis. It was pretty good.
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Johan Rodrigues the German's haven't engineered anything any good since the cuckoo clock.
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JEDIMASTERZAK you obviously have no appreciation for the scale of the project that built the first atomic bombs. The USA under no direct attack with vastly more resources at her disposal than Germany did was taxed for the task of developing nuclear weapons. Then you have to be able to deliver them. Germany had nothing like a B-29. Look up Y-12 in Oak Ridge
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@gregtaylor6146 is there anything I've stated in a comment that you specifically take exception to? Or are you just going to rely on an ad hominem attack to make your case? BTW I am not typical by any stretch of the imagination or metric of quantification for that matter.
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@gregtaylor6146 all of my comments? So you do not agree with a single thing I have ever said? You'd be surprised how difficult it is to be consistently wrong. It actually takes a genius to manage to do it. But that can't be what you're meaning to suggest, could it? Nah you're not bright enough to read that deeply into things. Nor is your opinion a matter of fact. Enjoy your little world.
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Fab Elger Americans started their nuclear program because they feared Germany did. It turns out they didn't. Goddard invented the liquid fuel rocket in the USA. All of Germany's rocket program was based on Goddard's work. The British invented a jet engine before the Germans made one.
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@Eo_Tunun some was. Some wasn't. By adopting Wehrmacht methods and tactics the USA managed to destroy the 4th largest standing army in the world in 100 hours. Even the helmet the USA sports in combat today looks suspiciously like a German Stahlhelm anymore. We're the 4th Reich!
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@jannerahkamaa1011 you're not telling me anything I don't already know. You have to break some eggs in order to make an omelette.
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@jannerahkamaa1011 Stalin made Russia a world power. In the process he also brought the county into the modern age. I consider those good things. You obviously on the other hand think living under a rock is preferable. To each their own.
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@Bill Tabbert well Germany declared war on the USA. So it is not like we had a choice in the matter. We would have gladly just kept sinking their U Boats without a war breaking out between us and them. But if they want to start something we'll finish them for it.
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@Bill Tabbert we're the great experiment. Not all experiments are successes. It might not even be anything we did, or didn't do. The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket these days. So larger forces may be at work? Nothing lasts forever.
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@alloneword7427 how about that, both they and you are wrong. We won. Our tech crushed theirs. You're ignorant and so are most of the fools in this thread. No surprise there. What did we steal of theirs besides the Jerry can? That we did take. But if you think anything else we used came from Germany then you are sadly mistaken. Our tanks, planes and guns outclassed anything the Germans were able to field. On top of it we were just smarter than they were. And that's why we won and they lost. The Nazis were anti-intellectuals. They worshiped the middle ages.
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@AtomicReverend when Goring looked up over Berlin and saw US Mustang fighters he knew the war was lost.
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@SerBallister some others tell lies for history. My ex-foreman grew up behind the iron curtain and one day for some odd reason I told him how Lenin got to Moscow. He did not believe me. So I told him, If you don't believe me go to the library and look it up. Judging by the look on his face I'd say he was taught something vastly different to what is widely accepted as the historical fact today.
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@hannes3d Germany was no where near having an atomic weapon and Heisenberg believed it wasn't even possible. Even if someone had gave them the plans Germany lacked the resources to build a working bomb. We used 10% of the electricity we were generating to refine the fuel. We did it in the biggest building on the planet too. If we gave Germany a working bomb they didn't even have a way to deliver it. Our B-29 could barely pick one up. Oh, and Leo Szilard was Hungarian.
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@l.h.9747 the Japanese certainly did defend. To the last man. I think the US only managed to capture about a dozen of them? The rest fought to the death.
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@l.h.9747 Newsflash: Rambo is an American. But he's a fictional character. If you want to see real American heroes I suggest you start here http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-archive.php "Realizing the imminent danger to his comrades from this fire, Pfc. Albanese fixed his bayonet and moved aggressively into the ditch. His action silenced the sniper fire, enabling the platoon to resume movement toward the main enemy position." Pigs like you get stuck!
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@l.h.9747 of course our mission was to repel invaders. No one knows where communism may have spread without our efforts in Vietnam either. We cannot know what never was. I'm good with how everything turned out. Can't see any commies from my house.
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I make plenty still and I don't care what my father thinks.
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Discrete components on printed circuit board.
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Being as it meant life or death you can say the motivation was there.
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@thechickenmaster6543 don't keep just saying I don't know anything without offering anything. Because I know you're full of shit. I got a whole bookshelf of history books about war that I've read. Mostly World War 2. I can turn on the TV start watching in the middle of a documentary they show an image from a battle and 9 times out of 10 I'll know what it is before they say.
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JEDIMASTERZAK I don't think German rockets had the payload or guidance capable of delivering a nuclear weapon. I know I would not have wanted to be around when it was launched. I've seen too much footage of their rockets blowing up. Germans did not destroy technology to keep it from falling into Allied hands either. By accounts they were quite proud to show off whatever they had.
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@Regis_Comerlatto education may fill people's heads with dangerous ideas. It is easier to simply stop poor teaching than it is to improve it too. I do admire competent fascist dictators. They are efficient leaders. So good luck with your new strong man.
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@6h471 yes, I know. Most of the German army marched on foot.
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@gregtaylor6146 your opinion is only proof to you.
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@jannerahkamaa1011 say what you will about Stalin but he brought Russia out of the middle ages into the modern age. Though the process was a painful one.
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@Frosch Reiniger can you be a bit more vague?
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@baggedroots2472 what about Vietnam?
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@Notyourprofile I do not think there is a limit to bias. But maybe there is?
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@martini380 the American interpretation of history is the factual interpretation of history.
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@shakdidagalimal Heinrich Müller is quoted to have said, "One should herd the entire intelligentsia into a mine and then blow it sky-high."
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@williamwingo4740 you have confused technology with design. They are two separate things. The basic premise of a bridge is technology. The oversight of considering resonance is a failure of design. Soviet and German armor used the exact same technology. Their designs and construction differed though. As did the designs of nations involved in the conflict.
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@l.h.9747 what about Vietnam? The South did not fall while the US was engaged in combat operations there. Maybe you should learn some history someday? The USA pulled out in 1972. South Vietnam fell in 1975. So it took the North years just to recover from the beating we gave them. We'd wiped them out as an effective fighting force. Practically nothing in WW1? You can't blame us if the Germans surrendered once we showed up. Heck the war ending didn't even stop us from attacking. So it's not like we didn't want more action. You're just dumb.
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@l.h.9747 I'd say that anyone that objectively looked at our battle history could come to that conclusion. You hate America though so that leaves you out.
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@l.h.9747 our main goal was reached. That was stated as the cessation of hostilities. They didn't dare fire a shot until after we'd left. They stayed off our embassy grounds until after we'd evacuated too. They wanted to give us no excuse to come back. Now go back to your shithole country and don't bother me anymore you anti-American floater.
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@l.h.9747 that's what you think. Our mission was peacekeeping. When we left it was peaceful. Now we could have went back and fought for peace some more. But by then it seemed pretty pointless.
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@l.h.9747 first off Vietnam was not a war for us. It was just a conflict we were peripherally involved in. Second it was never ours to lose. Who said we charged into machine gun fire? That was what the continentals did. We dug into Belleau Wood and drove the Germans mad! “Retreat, hell we just got here!"
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@l.h.9747 oh come now. You can't suggest we care about what happens halfway around the world.
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@l.h.9747 it was no war for us. When we go to war you'll know about it.
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@l.h.9747 it is war when Congress declares war. Vietnam was not a war because it was never declared as such when we got involved. You're really ignorant. You should learn things.
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@l.h.9747 what about them?
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@l.h.9747 this topic is clearly too complicated for you to understand. I am not interested in trying to explain it to you either. Someday if you ever know all that I do you'll find that I am right.
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@bloodyhell8201 while the USA was engaged in combat operations in Vietnam we did not lose a single battle. Two years after we left the South fell. At that point we were not interested in going back. I doubt the western Allies could have defeated Germany without the USA's involvement. It was all they could do with our help.
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Six hours of work for seventy cents worth of material. Now that's how to make a living!
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That happens on another channel here called Primitive Technology.
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They had lodestones. Though I don't know if any ancients put the magnetic technique together for themselves. Some may have? They were often more clever than we give them credit for being today. Quite often how iron was smelted was a carefully guarded secret. Like classified defense research is today. Because back then that's what this was. Those with iron had better swords.
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How do you measure how far light travels in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second when you are on a desert island?
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You have to have faith in the logic that there is no way 3 surfaces can all align with each other flatly without all of them being perfectly flat themselves. So when the three agree they're all flat. It is often called, "The rule of three." Though you'd never know it by searching that term on the worthless Internet.
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It was a lot of work as it is. But you are correct. The blower takes out a huge hurdle that the ancients had to face.
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@axeguy3856 Machines replaced apprentices. Which is why we no longer use the apprentice system today.
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