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Comments by "Paul Frederick" (@1pcfred) on "Everyone Is Switching To Linux" video.
I doubt that'll last. I've been using Linux for 29 years now and it's been pretty good overall but I can't say it's been flawless. Most problems were ones I made for myself though. As time goes on you can get better at not breaking stuff. You learn what not to do.
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@terrydaktyllus1320 they're still PC enthusiasts. Some percentage of them might even be viable Linux user candidates. Although it is likely a small percentage. Either way he is an influencer with a wide reach. The problems he encountered did have a direct affect on Linux development. Issues he had were addressed.
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I've tried to follow GUI instructions even on Windows and it's an absolute mess. How do you describe that some button or icon looks like or where exactly it is and what if it isn't there? Commands are cut and dried. Even if the example isn't exactly what you need you can edit it to be in a straightforward and logical manner.
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@terrydaktyllus1320 LTT is the largest techtuber on this platform. As to why you should care that's for you to figure out. So work on that.
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@mallninja9805 Windows update can leave a PC in a state where it is unresponsive. I've seen it. The PC will be off and pressing the power button won't turn it on. But if you press the power button and hold it until something happens it will boot up then. It takes a while. Long enough to have serious doubts. But if it comes back then Windows update will complete whatever it was doing. I never thought seeing spinning dots could ever make me feel so good. It's alive!
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@terrydaktyllus1320 it isn't even learning. It's called making an informed decision. Would you go to the Chevy dealer to buy parts for your Ford? Maybe some of it will fit. Actually there is hardware that specifically lists Linux as being supported. Not a lot, but I do appreciate it whenever I see it. I have bought hardware specifically for that very reason too.
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Windows did that black screen thing here. I think what I had to do to fix it was hold in the power button? It did look like the computer had given up the ghost. But it did recover. Still, I considered that behavior unacceptable. It wasn't my PC. I wouldn't say no one could pay me to run Windows but the price would be very high.
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I recommend new users start off with live sessions. I tell them run them all. As every distro will show them something different. Then one day when you feel ready do an install. They're probably not still ready but at least they have some experience under their belt. Jumping into Linux cold is dumb.
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RTX 4090 doesn't work on Linux? Nvidia Linux support tends to be pretty good. Nvidia was the first hardware manufacturer to support Linux on the PC. DEC supported Linux earlier but DEC isn't PC. DEC just gave Linus a computer and knew he'd get Linux running on it. Which is why Linux had Alpha support so early. It was a $25,000 computer too.
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@ShuskiCross I don't have update notifications. I just sporadically update whenever I get around to it. That fits my lifestyle the best. I don't like to be interrupted. I have a terminal where I'm sudoed to root open on my desktop all the time (sudo -i gets you an interactive shell) and when I'm not using it I tail my syslog file (tail -F /var/log/syslog ) and when I do have to do a sysadmin thing I CTRL+C that and up arrow in command history to the update command. That's how I roll.
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2025 will be the 30th anniversary of the Linux desktop for me.
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It depends how deep you dig what your experience in Linux is. There's definitely parts of Linux that are as inscrutable as Cypro-Minoan is. But you have to go looking for that stuff to run into it.
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No one is stopping you from developing the GUI tools you want. Scratch your own itch. KDE has a billion programs because they have their own IDE. So install KDevelop and get writing. That's where all of the trash came from. People just like you! Or maybe you want to use Qt Creator or Neovim? I don't think Trolltech charges for non-commercial use. Oh now they're called the QT Group I guess. They'll always be Trolltech to me. QT BTW is why Gnome exists. Gnomes are the real trolls.
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Linux is already an inviting target being as most servers run Linux. Other than creating botnets desktop users don't have much of value for system crackers. When vulnerabilities are discovered they're patched. A big argument Microsoft used to use against Linux was all of the vulnerabilities that are published about Linux. That's only because Linux is open about the process though.
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If you don't check then that's on you.
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@terrydaktyllus1320 there are companies that sell Linux preinstalled on PCs. Where's the love for System76? It seems like HP and Lenovo might have Linux as an option too? I know Dell used to have Linux as an OS choice with some hardware. I bet IBM has offerings too. IBM does own Red Hat now. They're probably not PCs per se though. More like mainframes.
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@terrydaktyllus1320 if they want a simple and supported Linux experience they'd better know and care. Otherwise they can do it the hard way. That route is always available.
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Linux is a hobbyist OS. Yes Linux can be used for some professional applications now. But desktop Linux is still very much a DIY kind of a thing. If you want to do anything there expect to have to tinker some.
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Closed source will NEVER work on Linux. EVER. If you think it will that's just because you don't understand Linux. So don't expect the time to come for commercial closed source to be on Linux. It's not happening. If you do want to understand why then I suggest you learn what the binutils are and what the Executable Linker Format is. That can be gotten around but the solutions are janky and suck. You might as well just run Windows then. You'd be better off.
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@gruntaxeman3740 you've made software that ran on a Linux system. But it is unlikely you've made software that's portable across the Linux platform. Currently Linux runs on 17 different architectures. I seriously doubt your binary would function on all of them. As that's impossible.
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@gruntaxeman3740 that's good because I've never heard of Docker. Now I've looked it up and I wish I didn't know what it is. I don't do containers. Containers are for rubbish. I run a shared system. Because sharing is caring. Closed source suffers under the shared model though. Which is why closed source is incompatible with the Linux open model.
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@gruntaxeman3740 it matters to me. I was more laissez faire on the topic in the past but I am getting more hardline as time goes on. Zero tolerance! RMS was right.
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@gruntaxeman3740 nuclear power plants use QNX which is in fact open source. So RMS is not the one here that's wrong. Doom is open source and multiplayer Doom rocks. Care for a hat trick?
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Linux is getting worse too. Lousy sound systems, lousy init, Wasteland. Next we'll be instituting a registry too I'm sure.
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If you want to find out what's causing crashes then setup to dump core. By default core files are disabled. You can change that with ulimit. Then you open the core file up with gdb and it'll tell you what crashed. I think just running file on a core file will tell you too? With Linux you don't have to be in the dark if you don't want to be. You might even be able to fix stuff sometimes. Or you can submit the core files to developers and they'll fix it. How bugs are handled is different in Linux. As in bugs are actually handled. You don't have to sit there and just take it. Fedora is beta so it has a lot of bugs.
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At one time learning IT became a discouraged activity. In the beginning when you bought a computer it came with a schematic and all of the source code. You were expected to mess with stuff to just get anything to work at all. But Bill Gates realized that if he hid stuff and licensed software he could make a lot of money. Others saw it and followed suit.
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No one has to use Gnome.
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@ToyKeeper I support Gnome devs right to be jerks. In fact I respect their jerkiness. I reject collectivism. I am not a number!
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@alexanderdelguidice4660 it is not Gnome's fault that people are ignorant. They need to inform themselves. Otherwise they suffer the consequences. Sadiq Khan teaches us that it is part and parcel of living in a big city. You have to protect yourself!
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@yourlocalsadman2 Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon are Desktop Environments. Wayland is a server protocol. A Desktop Environment would run on a server. So that makes Wayland fundamentally different than Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon. But they are all rubbish. So they do have that in common with each other.
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1995 was the year of the Linux desktop for me. Everyone's year is going to be different and often not at all.
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@weakspirit_ GTK does stand for Gimp Tool Kit.
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@sergeykish terminal is not required for Linux? You can play hockey without a cup. But when you catch a puck in the jewels you'll be glad ice is cold then.
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@sergeykish maybe not for you. Terminal is absolutely a requirement for me. I have 3 terminals open right now.
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@sergeykish your argument is facetious. No shirt, no shoes, no service!
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@3rdalbum Linux tends to be really good at carrying old drivers for a while. But over time drivers have been dropping out of the kernel. If no one's maintaining it then they go. You could probably graft an old driver into a newer kernel. Do the porting that needs to be done so it'll build. Whenever you want more then you have to do more. Even if you can't do something like that you can probably find someone that can. I've had folks help me patch stuff. Never in the kernel but other programs. If you want something to work in Linux you can find a way. Everything that does work someone found a way. That someone could look just like you.
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When you're new distro hopping can expose you to things you might not otherwise see. The major problem with Linux is context. Initially users have none. When you're starting out with nothing then nothing is all you have. It's hard to light a fire if you don't even have two sticks to rub together. You need something. As time goes on we all pick things up.
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@kevinsimmons5481 how will you know who provides what if you do not try things? You must have some kind of ESP related to these matters.
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@kevinsimmons5481 then marry her. What are you telling me for?
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@kevinsimmons5481 all testing I have been subjected to says otherwise. I could read when I was two and a half years old and was reading on a post graduate level when I was still in grammar school. These are all salient facts. So you are sadly mistaken.
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@kevinsimmons5481 no you're just wrong.
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@fooboomoo oh here we go with the average user argument. Why do we always have to cater to the lowest common denominator? There's a reason why C students do not get on the honor roll.
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@sysbofh for the most part normies have given up on computers today. You don't need one now to be digitally connected. People have smartphones and that's it. They can message, browse the net, take video and pictures. Send those. What else do they really need? You can even play games on a mobile. There was a time when if you wanted digital connectivity you had to have a PC. That time has come and gone.
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@sysbofh I got into PCs in the mid 90s and it was a lot more mainstream then. A few years after smartphones were introduced PCs became boutique items just for enthusiasts and professionals. The mass market hardware disappeared. There was no one left to buy that sort of thing. A lot has changed.
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No new users need to struggle. They need to do Linux From Scratch! So they can develop an overall understanding of the system. You only get to easy mode after you've attained the knowledge.
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@Veetrill I am not interested in attracting everyone. I only want competent Linux users. People that make the cut. Linux is user friendly. Linux is just choosy about who its friends are. If anyone wants to join a gang they have to make their bones. Valve is a for profit corporation. Linux is a non-profit organization. Goals are different.
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@Veetrill us three and a half guys have been doing fine. If people are not prepared for adversity they will fail to run Linux successfully. If their wheels fall off the first bump in the road they hit they're not going to get very far. You acting like that's not the case I do not see as beneficial. Always under promise and over deliver.
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Wintards are institutionalized. They all have Stockholm Syndrome. They're in an abusive relationship and they keep making excuses for their partner. Very few can actually be set free. They need to be put into cult deprogramming interventions.
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@dyna. everyone that should use Linux always does. So nothing else really matters. People try Linux and it's either for them or it isn't. That's between them and Linux.
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Sometimes reinstalling is the easiest and fastest solution. One thing you can do in Linux that's super jank is over installing. You can run the installer and just skip formatting. Then the installer will overwrite the base system. I've recovered systems doing that. But that might not fix an issue.
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@akeem2983 reinstalling is one technique available in Linux but there are others. Reinstalling may be the fastest way to fix a system. Do you have your root filesystem on its own partition so you can erase it and not lose your personal data? That used to be the default config but I don't know if that's still true today. I don't do default installs. I don't actually install very often really. I'm a turtle user. I get very comfortable in my shell. I installed the system I'm using now 3 years ago. It's the last install I did. I typically run installs for many years. I'm just not keen on doing installs anymore. So I avoid them as much as possible. It takes me a while to configure systems the way I like them. So once I have everything all setup the way I like it I don't like to give that up.
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@toby9999 well said. But probably not how you meant what you said. Computers are indeed more complex than cars are and our relationship with computers is more complex as well. You have two choices in this world. You either adapt or you die. You seem to think that geeks are all nice guys. That is not the case. There's bad actors in this world using tech against us. If we all stay helpless in that realm it will only get worse from here on out too. Maybe you're OK with relinquishing your autonomy but I am not. This is a battle for your digital soul! You have seriously underestimated the threat we all face now. Big Brother is watching you. In ways George Orwell couldn't have even imagined. But you just capitulate like a nice little sheepie. Baa baa It's into the slaughterhouse chute for you! You'd better learn how to fix that engine or your car will self drive you right the the FEMA gulag. That's coming. Toby we've detected that your social credit score has dropped below the threshold. You need to be reeducated. Let's all hope you don't live long enough to see that day. You might though. It may be closer than you realize. In fact kill switches are already mandated in cars now. They slipped it in with the 2,700 page long infrastructure bill. Which we know nobody read. You'd better find a short rope and a tall branch. Because you're already living in that world now. Life comes at you fast. Still think you're OK with remaining ignorant?
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What was removed can be reinstalled. But only if you know what to install.
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@OutLanderUSN are you sure about that? Windows seems awfully permissive to me. I mean just look at all the damage viruses can cause. If they can manage to do it then it's clearly possible to do.
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Or find a distro you can make good.
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@someone01233 that's right. We always need more distros than users running Linux.
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@dlsisson1970 yeah the infinite number of distros problem is a real thing. They're all the same, but different. I like to say, Linux is Linux is Linux. Every distro is Linux but they differ in minor details. Which sometimes is a major pain. The defaults are OK to start out with. But I think any user owes it to themselves to try different stuff. It is experience that separates new users from experienced users. No one should stay new forever. The way to go from new to experienced are the experiences. Every few years I still try out new things.
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Yes do it! rm -rf / while you're at it too! Let's do the whole village.
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