Comments by "Paul Frederick" (@1pcfred) on "Neil deGrasse Tyson - Columbus Discovering America Was a Great Achivement - Joe Rogan" video.

I guess the natives should have accomplished more and wasted less time? A shame they did not. Superior civilizations always destroy inferior ones. There's a reason the world is ordered as it is. Lots of reasons even. Europeans assimilated information the best to they dominated the planet. Deal with it.
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@wachyfanning apples and oranges comparisons are logical fallacies. I should not have to tell you that but your comment has compelled me to do so. So please stop spewing nonsense. Thank you.
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@diegog1853 no one has to excuse the natural order. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it. And yes if extraterrestrials ever came here our culture and civilization would be wiped out. No weaker civilization ever survives contact with a stronger one. That's the way it goes. Being mad about things beyond your control is idiotic. I am not an idiot. Ergo I'd be OK with it. But don't worry. Humans are not worth what it'd cost to ship us off planet. So it is nothing that'll ever happen.
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@diegog1853 there are different kinds of morality. There's the morality a Spaniard may extend to his brethren and then the morality of how they'd treat what's in their eyes a subhuman heathen savage that is not fit to live in the eyes of God. Now perhaps today we can disagree with their perception. But we cannot judge acts perpetrated in the past through the lens of today. Recognize that it was a different time and in their mind what they did was entirely justified and quite the right thing to do. As far as they were concerned they were consigning those heathen souls to the Lord. They were better off dead.
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@diegog1853 your mistake is believing you know definitively what right and wrong is. When we examine things from a wider perspective it is clear that right and wrong are simply matters of perspective. What's wrong for you could be oh so right for me. And who are you to say which of us are right? I will say this to you now, projecting your morality onto others is never right. Don't tell me what's good for me. I already know. And we all know what's good is also right, right?
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@kazzykaioken8873 I guess native Americans has lousy immigration policies? You have to be careful who you let into your lands.
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@kazzykaioken8873 our humanity may be at odds with the natural order of things but in the end trying to deny natural order is counterproductive. In the natural order territory belongs to the creatures capable of defending it. No who's there first really matters. It's who's there now and who's there last that ultimately counts. Existence is a competitive struggle with winners and losers. Europeans won and natives lost. The whole world is better off and stronger for that outcome having happened too. Even Geronimo himself came to terms with all of this. No one had more skin in the game than he did either.
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To get credit for a discovery you have to lay claim to the knowledge. The natives really did not do that. Chris on the other hand did. So he gets the recognition. Just how attribution works. You have to ask for it. Maybe do a bit more than ask? There is an interesting legend that Chris may have been following an earlier story he'd heard about a land to the west written by an Irish monk. That guy got no credit either.
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@J B I do not think how the native Americans traveled has any bearing on their knowledge. Walking somewhere is just as valid as sailing somewhere is. Many places were discovered by simply walking to them. What's important is walking back and telling someone what you've found.
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@J B we don't know about no one traveling to and from the Americas. There is some evidence that Egyptians were doing it thousands of years before Columbus did. The Vikings apparently did it too. Plus there was an Irish monk that did it and supposedly Columbus himself even had heard of that account before his voyage. Some say it is what gave him the idea. Columbus just ended up being the most credible individual to do it. Consequently he got the credit. Like Neil said someone was bound to do it eventually.
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@J B commonality has nothing to do with attribution either. Most advancement starts off slowly. Balls take time to begin rolling. If you examine things closely most overnight successes happened over large spans of time. The only overnight aspect of it often is when you heard about it.
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There is even some speculation that the Egyptians may have been making voyages to the Americas. But if they were they did not document things properly. So they get no credit themselves.
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enrique perez the Vikings managed to do plenty of conquering in their time against foes with more technology than the Indians possessed. Vikings at least possesed Iron Age metallurgy. Even if they did not have firearms.
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@soulburn8987 Vikings were fairly decent at navigating. That's why they managed to get all the places they got to. Iceland, Greenland, America, France, Russia. Vikings really got around. So they knew where they were.
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@soulburn8987 you should find out how far into Russia the Vikings got. It isn't the close part they went to.
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@soulburn8987 The Vikings named Russia.
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@soulburn8987 Finland gave up territory to Russia. I do not know about all of Finland ever belonging to Russia though. Maybe? Finland allied with Germany in the Second World War. And they lost. So Finland sued for a separate peace where they ceded territory to Russia. Fins were the Nazis that got off almost Scot free.
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@diogobarata6346 it is believed that stone age hunters made it to America following the ice shelf in the ice age. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html
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