Comments by "MrSirhcsellor" (@MrSirhcsellor) on "Professor Dave Explains"
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@Vescere "what is the purpose for such a scam?
" Depends on who's running the scam and what they're after. With Bob Knodel, it's money. With Mark Sargent, it's fame. With Eric Dubay, it's power. They all run the scam differently, and they all want different things. Eric Dubay being the worst of them. I compare him to a cult leader...he wants to be the top dog, he thinks he's some kind of messiah, gods gift to mankind...he's not much different from any cult leader, they crave attention...and his followers, brainless sheep in his herd, hanging off his every word...even though he bullshits on every sentence. Point is, they are scamming people...and it's very obvious. Narcissistic, ignorant, lying, nut jobs who couldn't hack it in the real world...so they decided to create their own world instead and place themselves as the leaders of that make believe land.
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Well, first of all Density is not a Law...I think you need to learn the difference between a scientific theory and a scientific law. A law in science is just something that describes WHAT is happening, this is different from a fact...a fact is just what is, the sky is blue, that's a fact. Objects in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an opposing force, that is an example of a law...it's just describing WHAT is happening. A theory goes on to explain HOW and WHY something happens and it is the highest level a concept in science can ever achieve that describes how and why things operate the way they do. Density is none of these things, density just describes a state of matter, it is just how many particles of matter occupy a given space...that is all Density is. It is not a force...it does not dictate what direction matter travels in...it does not physically put anything into motion. Gravity does.
Eric Dubay is a con man, selling snake oils to the uneducated masses, so that he can keep funding his life in Thailand. He's also quite insane, racist and a huge narcissist. I really don't know how anybody could listen to him and actually believe a word he's saying...he is clearly a nut case.
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K-Beats Smuggler: And what if you have been wrong this whole time? It is a very real possibility you should consider. Many of us have gone through the 200 proofs of Eric Dubay and have discovered that pretty much all of his points are made from a very poor understanding of physics and the world in general. So in reality...they’re basically 200 ways to show you don’t understand basic physics, geometry, math, astronomy, science in general. Or 200 ways to reach false conclusions. They’re good questions to ask really...but pretty much all the conclusions are incorrect or grossly misunderstanding the science.
Personally, I don’t believe it’s wrong to question reality...but you should never be so confident to assume there is no possibility you might be reaching false conclusions. Science found a clever work around for human error, they called it peer review. If everyone is telling you that there is a chance you missed or overlooked something...then you owe it to yourself to look into things further.
Ironically, that’s what Flat Earth has caused us to do, to re-evaluate what we thought we knew. In that respect, I admire Flat Earth...but upon re-examination, many have found Eric Dubay’s points to be greatly flawed still.
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@smugglifemusic Ya I getcha man, I actually think it's a good thing that people are taking an interest in these things and I actually somewhat admire that they are brave enough to challenge even the most firmly planted concepts of reality. But the danger is there when you misunderstand a concept...and then in the process of re-evaluating these well established theories and ideas, you either overlook a detail or ignore it completely...and then run the risk of reaching false conclusions again and again. Science isn't easy...it takes a lot of diligence and you have to make sure you're doing things correct...which isn't as easy to do as it may seem.
I'll give you a great example that I see quite often, the 8 inches per mile squared equation. This is a very popular equation Flat Earthers like to use to help them determine curvature drop...the problem, they also use it to try and determine what should be hidden by curvature...but what they fail at realizing is that this is not a complete equation to help you make that observation accurately. The only way those figures are accurate...is if your eyes are sitting at sea level...which of course is NEVER the case. In reality, we see further the higher we go in elevation. Basically what this means is, that our observable horizon extends the higher we go up. 8 inches per mile squared does not take into account height of the observer, or observers line of sight...8 inches per mile squared only calculates curve drop tangent from the surface...and so the numbers it generates are not relevant to the observation and thus does not give you the correct figures.
A much better calculator has been developed since this whole Flat Earth thing took off, one that does calculate for height of the observer and line of sight...as well as a few other variables such as refraction index. Here is a great one I've found that's quite useful. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/
If you take a look at the bottom of this link I've shared above, you will even find a handy diagram you can interact with that can help you understand a little more what I mean. If you take a look at the diagram, you'll notice a black dotted line leading straight from the curved surface that is labeled "Surface Level". This is what I mean by tangent line, it's just a straight line 90 degrees from a curved surface. The solid black line that is leading straight down from the tangent and touching the surface that is labeled "Drop"...that is the distance that 8 inches per mile squared is calculating...that is all 8 inches per mile squared gives you. But pay attention to the straight line on the left that is labelled "Veiwer Height", this represents the height of the observer. Notice the solid green line leading down from the observer and touching the surface? That is a persons actual line of sight...and the X where the solid green line ends...that's the horizon. Notice how a persons line of sight sees BELOW the "Surface Level" line? This is why 8 inches per mile squared...is not an accurate calculation to help you determine what should be hidden by curvature. The numbers that 8 inches per mile squared gives you...do not represent what your eyes actually see in reality...so if you use this calculation to determine what's hidden by curvature...then you will absolutely reach a false conclusion, every single time.
So this is just one of many things Flat Earth gets wrong...but they're not aware that they're getting it wrong and it's become a problem...because everytime I try to point this out, most people either ignore me or get really upset with me. You see the problem? When you misunderstand how something works...you run the danger of reaching a false conclusion...and if you're not aware you're making a false conclusion, you run the risk of continuing to make more and more false conclusions, until you've built an entire new reality around this way of thinking. And from what I've seen...many of the people on YouTube who push this misinformation...KNOW full well that they're spreading misinformation and false conclusions...some have been caught red handed doing it...which makes them nothing short of con men...which is dangerous, because they're actively out there building a group of followers, who are angry for all the wrong reasons.
Anyway, that's just one simple observation I wanted to point out to you. I hope it helps to make my point and I hope I was able to articulate things well enough for you. It's great that people are actively taking interest in the science of our world...but science learned a long time ago...that human beings are flawed. We have bias, egos, the tendency to lie to others and ourselves for personal gain and to avoid humiliation...and each of us has our limits for what we are capable of understanding. So science found a work around for human short comings, peer review. That's kind of what we're doing right here right now, in these comments sections, so that's why I prefer just sharing information, rather then just treat you like your wrong to question reality...like most people seem to like doing. Keep learning I say, I just hope you take into consideration that there might be some errors in your current understandings, all that I ask is that people take the time to listen to what others might be telling them...and yes, that goes both ways.
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@smugglifemusic If you take a look at old Astronomy data going back thousands of years though...you'll know that Polaris wasn't always the Northern Star, roughly 3000 years ago, the North Star was Thuban. This is cross referenced by several cultures who all thought it was a good idea to record the positions of stars...all of them confirm, Polaris was not the North Star many thousands of years ago.
So the stars do change and we can even track those movements over the course of a decade...at least for some stars, the closer ones. If you record the positions of stars in the night sky every year and then compare them to each other over roughly a decade of tracking them, you will spot a few shifts in stars positions. The shifts will be VERY small, but they are there, which suggest that the stars are moving, they just take a very long time to make any noticeable difference.
Astronomers know the stars are moving...they've been following them a long time, they've even mapped many of the movements and can now predict where many of them will be over a few thousands years change. It's just not common knowledge...but whoever told you the stars don't move...is not an astronomer and clearly didn't know what they were talking about.
So why don't the Stars change very quickly? Well, one good theory is because of the distances and the speeds they travel relative to these distances. Our Sun moves at roughly 450,000 mph (as does our entire solar system, since it's towing us along with it). I know this speed sounds impressive...but on a galactic scale, the Sun is barely moving at all. A mile is only impressive to you and me...the micro life living on the surface of these massive giants...even a few thousand miles means almost nothing to the Sun and the Earth.
In 1 hours time, the Sun barely moves half of it's entire diameter, to put that into perspective, move roughly 1 foot in front of you, in the course of 1 hour. Relativity is what explains the movement of the Stars quite well...it's all relative. The closest star to us is roughly 24 TRILLION miles away so then it's safe to assume the other stars are all equally as far away from each other yes? So what looks like a few centimeters distance (between each star) from our perspective, is actually a few Trillion miles and these things are barely crawling along relative to the galaxy. To put it into better perspective again...imagine you're still only moving about 1 foot per hour, now imagine the closest star to you...is in China (assuming you live in America).
Does this make sense? This of course is not evidence for the distances of the Stars, for that you have to go into how they found the Astronomical Unit and then you have to do even more research on how they determined a stars luminosity at great distances. It's all quite clever really, but there is a great deal of evidence that supports the theory of the distances of Stars...and it all matches quite well with the heliocentric model, it also explains why stars don't shift (move closer or further from other stars) as you travel anywhere on Earth.
Figuring out the Astronomical Unit was very important. Once we knew the distance of the Sun from us...we could figure out how fast we were moving, and then we could unravel a great many things about the galaxy we couldn't before. The Astronomical Unit is quite interesting to learn about, so you should give it a look sometime. It is the meter stick we use to measure the cosmos with, most notably our own Solar system.
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You need to understand, many of us here are not new to Flat Earth Theory...we’ve watched these videos you’re sharing before...many times, they’re all the same. I myself have been actively looking at this mess for nearly 3 years now...I’ve heard all of these arguments before, Flat Earth has not changed in the last 3 years since I started looking at it closer, still the same bad logic, poor science and misunderstandings...and even lies, in many cases.
It’s fine to question reality...but it’s arrogant to assume that just because we didn’t reach the same conclusion, it must mean we’re not looking hard enough...trust me, we’ve done what Flat Earth asked of us, we have done our research well.
I think you should watch this video...Flat Earth is absolutely just as crazy as it sounds. Even if you disagree, you should be objective enough to turn the lens around again and keep questioning both sides. If you are, then that’s good. Falsification is the key to science.
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@JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl They do take video...the ISS films its orbit pretty much every single day, there is tons of video from the ISS on YouTube, any quick search will find it. The reason they don't take full video of the Earth from far out into space however, is because of how slow it's moving. Here's a video of Earth taken back in 1990 by the Galileo spacecraft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT8LL5kAxXY, wow...isn't this exciting. Here's that same video over a 5 hour time frame sped up 3600x's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVKJjo2w2o. You see the problem here? The Earth is not rotating fast enough for us to film it far out into space...so they take pictures instead because you'd never notice it rotating anyway unless you sped up the video. The Himawari 8 satellite takes a high resolution picture of Earth every 10 mins. Here's what some of that footage looks like sped up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRDYvF-9n_0
But I realize your brain is now probably wrestling with the 1000 mph rotation and the 67,000 mph orbit...and you're wondering why I'm saying the Earth rotates too slow to notice. So run this thought experiment, It takes 24 hours to make a full rotation, so spin a ball in your hand so that it takes 24 hours to make 1 full rotation, film it and let me know if you notice any rotation at all. Speed is relative, relative to us 1000 mph is impressive...relative to the Earth...not so much. Most of these satellites are in a geostationary orbit, which means the satellites are moving relative to the Earth, so they're moving at the same speed the Earth is moving, plus a little extra to maintain their locked position in orbit. Because there is no friction in space to slow them down, objects will stay in motion, they will conserve momentum...conservation of momentum in a nutshell.
For just a little extra, here's 200 full photos of Earth taken during the various Apollo missions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz5DTCQlGwE
Could these be faked, maybe, but doubtful. I've been working as an artist a long time...and to fake all these photos and videos...would be a staggeringly impossible achievement, especially back in the days before CGI. Heck even modern CGI today wouldn't be able to pull it off 100%, there would always be errors...especially in live feeds over several hours in length that would eat up processing memory. It takes a lot of memory to even render a few minutes of CGI...how big would the servers have to be to render several hours worth, without any run time errors or glitches?
Besides that, simply just stating something is faked...is not good enough. But yes, they do take video and photos of Earth...lots and lots of photos and videos. You live in the information age, there is literally no excuse anymore, it's not hard to find these photos and videos. Maybe spend some time away from these conspiracy videos for a change.
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The Earth is oblate, meaning not a perfect sphere. Here's a great video demonstrating just how oblate the Earth is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjx0KcDH7pQ It's not easy to see with the naked eye, but the Earth is not a perfect sphere, so it can not be classified as such. It's normal really, you know how many things in nature are a perfect sphere? Absolutely nothing. It's not a geometric shape that's easily achieved, certainly not by a planet that is rotating, which creates a slight centripetal force that resists gravity a tiny amount, which creates our slight bulge at the equator.
I very much doubt a teacher has ever said we can't see the moon during the daytime, if they did...then they were not a very good teacher, because it's obviously not true. Any science teacher would know how the Moon phases work and they would know that the Moon spends roughly half of its orbit around Earth between the Sun and the Earth...which means it's visible during the day. The only time it is not visible during this half of its orbit, is during the New Moon phase, where it is DIRECTLY between the Sun and the Earth, making it impossible for the Sun to reflect light off of the Moon and back to us here on Earth.
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What exactly would you like to know about plane gyroscopes? A good source that might be able to help you out is a guy that goes by the name Wolfie6020 here on YouTube. He is a commercial pilot from Australia, who has done several videos explaining how these gyros work, in great detail, even taking them apart and demonstrating the mechanics. If you're wondering how they curve with the Earth as the plane flies, that is thanks to what are called pendulous veins, which are designed to use gravity vectors to re calibrate the gyro with the surface while in flight. They're really kind of neat how they work, and Wolfie goes into some great detail on that, so give it a look sometime.
He also has some videos explaining the newer laser gyro systems that are in many planes today, also some interesting information to be had. He covers pretty much all things flight/plane related to this argument, from gyros, to world navigation, he's the guy to check out.
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@pepper22768 More counters to the shit they say....yup, gettin longer, but hope this stuff helps.
4. He'll more then likely claim that because our Earth spins at 1000 mph, darts around the Sun at 66,000 mph and fly's through the galaxy at 550,000 mph, that this is proof enough the Earth is Flat and not moving, because he believes we should notice these movements. It's a convincing argument actually, but this one only stands up...if you ignore a little thing in physics called Relative Motion. So if you're not well read on physics (though this is still basic highschool physics)...this one might catch some people off guard and it often does. So in this argument, it's important to understand what Relative Motion is and how it works, because it helps understand why these speeds are not only possible...but likely are reality. Relative motion states that speed and motion are relative, that our bodies are moving with Earth and so are relative to it. Our bodies do not feel or pick up on speed, what we are tuned to notice is CHANGE in motion, meaning acceleration, deceleration and any sudden change in forward velocity (sharp or sudden turns). Anyone can prove this with simple thought experiments, such as when you get on a plane and it's reached cruising altitude. At cruising altitudes on most commercial planes, they fly at an average speed of 500 mph...yet anyone is free to get up and walk around the cabin just fine. Once speed has leveled out and the plane is not rising or descending, you do not feel any motion...you are not sucked to the seat, you can move around just fine, throw balls around, jump, even flys can buzz around the cabin just fine...yet you're still moving at 500 mph. This is relative motion in a nutshell, your body is now moving relative to that planes motion. Our bodies are always moving relative to the Earth...it doesn't matter how fast the Earth is moving...so long as that speed is constant and moving in a relatively straight path...we will never feel these intense speeds.
He may counter with "but the Earth rotates, so our bodies are not traveling in a straight path", this is true...but the angular change in velocity is still very gradual, 15 degrees...over the span of an hour, 360 degrees in 24 hours. To put this into perspective, imagine you're traveling in a NASCAR going near 300 mph around a perfectly circular course. If the course is only like 1000 metres long...then yes, you'll feel Centrifugal forces clinging you to the car door as you make your circuits....your rate of angular change in this example is very great, so you will notice. But, expand that circular track to something more like lets say 100 miles, or even 10 miles to be more generous to Flat Earth...would you expect to be flung to the door then? Not likely. Why? Because the rate of angular velocity change has greatly decreased with the size of the course. Yes we rotate at 1000 mph, but the Earth has a circumference of 25,000 miles. Flat Earth either ignores or doesn't think of these things...but feel free to use these thought experiments on them, cause they need to hear them.
5. He might argue that gravity is just Density and Buoyancy and gravity as we know it does not actually exist. Remind him that Density is just a property of matter and Buoyancy is a left over effect we observe occurring thanks to gravity and density displacing matter. Density is not a force...it gives no energy to anything which is required to make things move, it is quite literally just how many atoms are packed in a given space. Buoyancy is a force, but it requires a starting force to put it in motion, it does not exist on its own. The question is WHY and HOW do things fall DOWN? Why that direction? Density and Buoyancy does not answer for this...gravity does. A good point to bring up is this, he might claim that "things fall because they are denser then the air"...but if this is true, why don't denser objects fall up then, where the air is even less dense? Air gets thinner and thinner as you go up in elevation, meaning the air above is less dense then the air below, so why when you drop something heavy doesn't it rise up into the less dense air? Lots of holes in their theories to replace gravity, feel free to poke many more into them...it's not difficult.
Woo boy...these got long. ^^; Apologies for that, nobody much cares for reading walls of text I realize, but I hope you find all this info useful anyway. Just don't let him get to you, Flat Earthers are crafty but I assure you, they just do it cause they love the attention and they love believing they're special. Their confidence is just classic narcissism, these are people who don't seem to enjoy a world where they are nothing but a spec of dust in an endless cosmos...it makes them feel small and narcissists don't like that very much. This is where their bias stems from, it's not every case mind you, but many of them very much WANT the Earth to be Flat...at any cost, even if it means lying to themselves. Always remember that these people are arguing against a very large majority of scientists and science that all unanimously agrees the Earth is a sphere. These people didn't reach that conclusion lightly...it took Centuries and these same people build the world around you and me...they couldn't do that, if they didn't know a thing or two about the world and how it works. Always remember that. I'm sure you do...but sometimes you listen to these crack pots talk long enough, and their blind confidence can start to jar you a bit.
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Well...that's the problem, this literally is NOT the biggest debate on the planet right now. It's a big debate to you...and people like you, but for the majority of the world, this is actually not up for debate. NASA knows if they address this more directly...then they're acknowledging its existence, which only gives attention to something that doesn't deserve any attention and they have better things to do with their time. NASA already put the final nail in the coffin of Flat Earth, when it photographed the Earth. Here is 200 pictures of Earth taken during the various Apollo missions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz5DTCQlGwE&t=3s
They continue to verify the shape of our planet every single day, with live feeds from the ISS and various satellites in orbit right now. What more do you guys want from them? Cause I can guarantee that they are well aware that nothing short of launching you into space will convince you...something they are just not going to do anytime soon, for many reasons. Seriously though, what exactly would you want NASA to provide for you? They have hundreds of hours of footage already and probably MILLIONS of photos...but Flat Earth just scoffs at all of it, calling it all faked before they've even taken the time to analyze any of it. So be honest with yourself, WHAT do you want from them?
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Nope, you can't...somebody lied to you and told you the wrong math...and you ate it up without checking it. I can only assume you were using the 8 inches per mile squared equation to make your observations, but is that a good guess? If not, then I apologize, but I'll share this anyway, here's a far better curve calculator https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ even has a handy diagram at the bottom showing you how it works. Height of the observer matters, line of sight is what you're trying to discern and 8 inches per mile squared does not account for that...it is the wrong math for the observation you are trying to make, it's as simple as that.
Also, I'll share this blog, it has some really good observations of curvature, give it a look sometime. http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth%3A+Finding+the+curvature+of+the+Earth&demo=Soundly#App
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@treefloraken8263 I think you've just described your bias though. Why does the bible stand as a source of truth to you? Is it possibly because you WANT it to be true, not because it actually is? From my perspective, having never been religious, I see the bible very differently. The bible is not a scientific research paper...it has no science, no data, no equations, no research, no experiments, no facts. From my perspective it appears to have been written by normal men, who in there time had very little understanding about the physics of the world and so interpreted what they believed to be true from their own narrow understandings from their time. So why do you believe the words of the bible, over science that can be verified? Science that refutes the words of the bible on almost every page? That's really what interests me about many Flat Earthers...many of you are religious, mostly Christian in fact. I know this, because I've spent many years now talking with Flat Earthers, and I'm confidant now in saying that around 90% of the people I talked too were religious and most of those people were of Christian faith. I find that fascinating. Of course I didn't actually graph that statistic and keep track, so it's likely off a bit, but the very large majority of Flat Earthers I've chatted with are religious.
You pretty much summed up one of my own conclusions about Flat Earth, I think Flat Earth has brought faith back to people. It has made the belief in God even stronger for them. In a time where faith was waning in people due to science and the things we know today, Flat Earth has now created a possibility for you that science has maybe been lying to us all this time, which has renewed your vigor in your religion. I get it, it must be a powerful feeling...but you have to wonder then if your belief in a Flat Earth is being led more by your bias...or from actual facts. Because from where I'm standing you have to ignore a LOT of science still to believe the Earth is flat. What you're describing above in your comments is your path to following your bias over science and how that bias has only grown stronger. Not to say you won't turn your ear to science and listen, from what I gather you are at least one of the more reasonable and honest Flat Earthers, which is refreshing to see by the way, but you are still drawn in by your religious bias. I think in a lot of instances, it even trumps the science. Maybe fills the gaps when you can't explain or understand a concept for yourself.
Anyway, I mean no disrespect to your beliefs, but I have to ask if you've ever pondered the possibility that perhaps you are led by your bias more so then anything else? Are you aware that you have a bias? From what I'm seeing, it's a very clear bias, your faith in the Christian teachings. I for one don't think it's stupid to question science and the reality we live in, it's quite logical actually, so I don't comment to mock Flat Earth, I'm actually still quite interested in what it has to say...but time and again, I find a lot more confirmation bias leading people in Flat Earth, then I do actual honest research. So I'm just being blunt, have you ever considered that perhaps your bias has led you down the wrong paths of understanding?
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