Comments by "MrSirhcsellor" (@MrSirhcsellor) on "LADbible Stories"
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@MultiJaybaker Eric Dubay eh...the nazi sympathizer who lies like breathing? Ya...I think you should start questioning what that narcissist says, he's the biggest con artist of them all. Here's a great video to get you started...just listen close to how many lies this guy points out in just a short time frame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knWCsonQVG4&t=8s Far from the only example of Eric being dismantled.
Honestly...do you really think I'd not know who he is, after 3 YEARS of researching Flat Earth? I don't just research one side of an argument (like Flat Earthers do), I look at both sides...and Eric is the first nut job you learn about in this mess. With his "200 ways to completely lie about and misunderstand reality", that's what the video is called right? It should be...it's far more accurate.
I suggest you watch that again, and pay attention next time, cause he's got hypnotic suggestion tactics down pat and he sure knows how to dump a lot of gish gallop in rapid fire. It works on the weak minded who don't stop to question each bullshit claim he makes one at a time...but slow your roll and actually stop and challenge each claim made, and you find out pretty quickly he's just making it all up as he goes. Ever heard of lying? It's not hard to do, especially online, just have to be confident when you do it. I'll give him that much, there is nobody more confident in his lies than he is. With Eric It's just Empty claim after empty claim from that guy, no scientifically verifiable evidence of any kind, just well crafted lies and mountains of speculation and conjectures, that he spits out without guilt or shame, because he's likely a psychopath and has zero empathy and zero problem lying to people. Honestly, just watch him breaking down publicly after he found out that other big names in Flat Earth were getting more attention then he was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9li-xf3ycs Shouldn't he be happy that Flat Earth is spreading? But he's not, all he cares about himself, all he cares about is that he gets all the attention and nobody else. He displays all the characteristics of a psychopathic narcissist with extreme delusions of grandeur...not somebody I'd admire, but hey you do you.
John Carpenter on the other hand is one of my favorite horror directors, is that the same John Carpenter? Didn't realize he was a Flat Earther, but I find that a little hard to believe coming from the guy who directed some of the best COSMIC horror movies ever made. But maybe, I'll have to look into it, just first I heard it, unless it's a different guy.
David Wardlaw Scott...a small fry author, who used scripture to verify his hypothesis of a Flat Earth. Ya...you lose all credibility the moment you start using made up superstition to start explaining a made up fantasy reality. Stacking bullshit on top of more bullshit...real strong argument. Scripture has no place in a discussion of science.
I think you need to find some better idols, but that's just me...I just can't believe people actually admire these nut jobs. Question the mainstream all you want, it's perfectly logical, but these guys should be setting off red flags in anyone who can spot when they're being conned...it's incredible to me that more people don't.
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@MultiJaybaker Well, apologies but I won't be giving my email out to strangers online, I don't mind chatting here though.
That's a fair point, but what evidence does he have to point these people out as "agents"? What confirms they are "agents"? Are they actually "agents", or is he just making more shit up as he tends to do? That to me is an example of a speculative claim with no backing, and it just looks like a guy throwing a tantrum. Which is not very mature. True scientists and researchers welcome peer review and discussion...and he should be more grateful that others are following his lead and spreading his message...Orphan Red is a Flat Earther...they're basically on the same side, you don't see Globe Earthers calling each other agents and shills...we're listening to each other and absorbing lessons from each other. They're quite supportive of each other.
I hear that a lot from Flat Earthers...whenever somebody challenges them long enough, they just hand wave them aside as shills or "agents"...then there's no need to consider what they're saying anymore, they're just paid to lie, so they shut their minds off to any further dialogue. That's a typical tactic from people who generally don't like be challenged and would rather ignore their opposition than face them. It's also quite typical of people who are tad afraid of being proven wrong, so best to just come up with excuses rather than admit defeat.
In my opinion, if your evidence and arguments are so strong...then they should stand firm on their own, and even if somebody is a paid agent, you should be able to defeat them pretty easily by sharing that evidence. I think calling people shills, agents, sheep, idoctrinated...all just buzz words and deflection tactics used to keep you from listening to what opposition has to say. The thing is...Orphan Red is on his side...she's a Flat Earther.
That being said, of course I see the logic in "agents" being planted, controlled opposition does occur, but all I'm saying is, it's a little hard to lie about physical reality...nature doesn't lie, so if your position is truly aligned with objective reality, then you shouldn't be afraid of any discourse, real or unreal, your positions should defeat them easily and you should welcome the attempts. I hope you'd agree.
Idk, I just find buzz words like agents, shills, idoctrinated, all deflection tactics...not much more. Without substantial evidence to support that claim, then all you can really do is speculate, and I don't like joining speculation, I try to avoid that as best I can. Stick to the science, people can and will lie, nature does not.
Anyway, enough of that rhetoric, if you'd like to focus more on the science feel free...I don't particularly like babbling on about my opinions, I'd rather focus on the actual evidence. I do feel Flat Earth is wrong, but I actually do try to respect their opinions. I don't mind shifting gears into a more civil discussion where we just focus on the facts and the evidence. Don't get me wrong, there is one thing I actually do admire about Flat Earth and that's their stubborn tenacity in the face of overwhelming odds and despite the ridicule they face. It's perfectly logical to question what you're told and to challenge mainstream consensus, in that respect, I do admire Flat Earth, so I'm not here to discourage you or laugh at you. I take my jabs sometimes, cause I do have an ego of my own, but easier to keep that in check when we just focus on the evidence.
So feel free, what in particular would you like to discuss? Pick a topic, I'll share what I have and I'll listen to you're position.
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@amayaaztec4218 The Sun is very high in the sky, and you do realize perspective has rules to it, correct? You're work isn't done here, you can't just slot in perspective as your answer and then think your work is done here....it doesn't work that way. That only gives you enough to form a hypothesis from, but you then have to test it further to see if this holds up to experimentation. You can't reach a conclusion with what you've provided here, all you have is a guess, now you have to put that guess to the test. Here's a few simple experiments anyone can try that poke holes in your perspective conclusion, give them a look sometime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYVYa3BdI84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njO5NPfur7I
That's barely scratching the surface, there are many other observations we can make that just do not support a local Sun circling above. If this were true, then we should be able to pinpoint that Sun using its shadow angles. Here's a couple great experiments that give this a try, by collecting data on sun shadow angles from locations all around the world during the same time of the day, during the Equinox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V03eF0bcYno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2quy8ur6Io&t
This observation of yours also does not match with the Suns projected path through the sky. Common sense would tell you, if the Sun is that high circling above, then you would expect to see it all day from everywhere on Earth. The math verifies this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9d4bjImHM&t=39s
So no, upon experimentation and closer observation, your hypothesis of perspective answering for why a sunset occurs is just not accurate. It fails upon closer inspection, so you can not conclude that it is perspective alone that is causing a sunset and sunrise. A globe however, fits all of these observations...so on the other hand, we can now conclude that a sunset is caused by the fact that our planet blocks the Sun as it rotates away from it each day.
You don't seem to realize how much more work YOU are required to do, to verify your conclusions. All you're doing is jumping on whatever explanation fits your bias...and then patting yourself on the back for a job well done. If scientists worked like this...we'd have achieved very little today.
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@amayaaztec4218 Nobody has ever been hiding anything, there is nothing to hide...but there is a lot of information to digest and most people just do not have the time to learn it all, unless they are directly studying it. You're basically blaming your lack of knowledge on others...and that's bullshit. They tried teaching you this stuff in high school, it's all covered in basic physics 101 classes...but you likely didn't pay attention. That is not their fault, that is YOUR fault...teachers can only do so much, if you're not going to listen, that's on YOU. Your anger is misplaced...you have nobody to blame but yourself really.
I understand that some people don't have access to a basic education and if that's what happened with you, then my apologies...but NOTHING is being hidden from you, science is VERY transparent, YOU can learn this knowledge at ANY TIME you wish...and you're right, in the current information age, it's now easier then ever to acquire that knowledge. But it's also easier then ever for misinformation to spread. Con men, scammers, village idiots, they have it easier then ever before to spread bullshit around...so you have to be VERY careful where you're receiving your information from. Bias is real and people will lie to you to keep a bias alive and kicking...it's a great flaw of man, we tend to follow bias more then we realize.
The nice thing is, nature does not lie...people will lie to you, but physical reality is very rigid and it abides by rules and laws that hold it all together. So that's what science tries to do, it has created a method that probes deep into nature and tries to find OBJECTIVE truths to how that reality functions. If done correctly, with care, patience and attention to detail, the method works...and the proof is in the pudding, in all the technology that is around you today. It didn't get there by magic, science made it possible. The nice thing about science, is it's just a tool, it has no agenda and ANYONE can learn it.
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@andrewthomas4636 The scientist also realizes that it would take a lot more than a simple conversation to prove to him the Earth is a sphere. The Flat Earther didn't provide evidence, he made a lot of conjectures that pose as evidence...empty claims that when spit out in rapid fire will impress an audience and make him appear smarter and more researched, but if they actually took the time to tackle each claim one at a time, slowly, providing actual evidence for each point made, you'd find out pretty quickly who is bullshitting. Real evidence is hefty and requires a lot of work to compile, analyse and present. You can't prove the Earth is a sphere in a single quick sit down, especially with no data, recorded observations, or experiments to share...and this guy wouldn't listen anyway. The scientist is trying to avoid speculating, taking his time and pondering what's being said...while the Flat Earther has no problem with speculating endlessly.
"Just following general consensus is not a good idea"
I feel this is a big misunderstanding of most people today...scientists do not just follow general consensus blindly and without question, they are trained and encouraged to challenge everything they come across. Do you really think Einstein got famous for going with the general consensus of his time? Hell no! He's famous because he challenged the work of Newton, who was (and still is) one of the top dogs of science...the difference between him and a Flat Earther, was that he was successful in proving his hypothesis correct, starting with the Eddington experiment of 1919 that shot him to fame, which successfully falsified and improved upon a lot of Newtons work. He didn't stop there either, pretty much all of his body of work was challenging the consensus of the time...and he was found to be correct in most cases. All attempts to falsify his work today, have only helped verify it further.
Point is, people seem to think all scientists are just mindless drones following the herd...and it's sad that people think this, because that's not accurate at all. Scientists make their entire careers on challenging consensus, they are very much encouraged to do their own research and reach their own conclusions. Heck they can't even graduate without first doing a thesis paper, which requires they add to the current body of science, by conducting their own extensive research on something original, or by challenging prior knowledge and improving upon them, filling the cracks. History favors the bold, sure a lot of scientists will conform to consensus, but these scientists rarely find as much success.
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@andrewthomas4636 Doesn't take much courage, when you truly believe you're never wrong. Trust me, these people LOVE the attention, this is not hard for them, they crave it. I've been chatting with Flat Earthers for a little over 3 years now...they honestly believe they're the smartest people on the planet, while meanwhile having never invented, innovated, engineered, discovered or navigated anything. It's incredible.
I do agree with you a little, that genius is not defined by a piece of paper and nobody should feel discouraged for questioning what they're told. Absolutely agree with you there, but in my experience Flat Earthers are not in this to find objective truths...they're in it cause it helps them feel superior, and because following bias over reason is just way easier. Why learn all that hard to understand science and math (that is proven to be accurate by the fact we use it all in the applied sciences that build the modern world), when they can just make up their own science and live in a fantasy world where they are the authority on what is true.
All they're doing is currently demonstrating why it was so important to include a system of consensus and peer review to the scientific method...because most people are not rational when you really get down to it, and some are just beyond reasoning with...and sadly, those people tend to also be the loudest.
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@andrewthomas4636 Oh, I don't think you're stupid for giving an opinion, far from it actually. Also, I don't really think Flat Earthers are stupid either (many of them anyway). That's what is so frustrating, a lot of them are actually quite intelligent...they're just so damn stubborn, self absorbed and paranoid, they won't open up to the possibility that they could be wrong. They are so over confident it blinds them from ever considering their own errors. What's worse is they always claim they're more open minded than everyone else...yet their minds shut off pretty quickly the moment you try to question their positions. Which is actually pretty normal, wouldn't you agree, we're kind of wired that way. Nobody enjoys being wrong, so people tend to ignore opposition and double down on there ideas when they're being challenged, rather than open up. I think it's a natural response from the brain, to avoid potential trauma, pretty sure that's even proven in psychology.
But anyway, I try to respect their opinions, my patience has worn down a bit, but I always try and let them know that it's perfectly fine to question things, so same to you, don't let me or anyone discourage you from having an opinion. I don't claim to know everything and you're right, the current systems of science and peer review are not perfect, so there is room for improvement. Best not to stay silent on it, that's how things never change. I will give Flat Earthers this much, I actually do admire that SOMEBODY is out there questioning the science that the rest of us have moved on from, that's great...cause they might actually find something if they keep digging. We have kind of hit a wall in our current understanding, and it's been that way for roughly the last 100 years. It's very possible, that we could have overlooked something, so it's great that some people are out there looking. In that regard, I respect what they're doing...I just wish they'd stop being so paranoid and stubborn.
Anyway, thanks for the chat. Lots of great points to ponder.
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Guess you haven’t been speaking English long, but words have many different definitions depending on the context. In the context of geometry, topography, and gravity, level can be defined as “a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force: EQUIPOTENTIAL”. You can find that definition here https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level Entry 3 Adjectives, definition 5. Definition 1a under adjectives should interest you as well.
Your trouble is that you’re misunderstanding something and then being to stubborn to re-evaluate what you think you know. Earth is an equipotential surface, level in this context is maintaining equal distance from a center...a bubble is an equipotential surface, so is a bowling ball, or a water drop, all of these things have a level surface in terms of equipotential distance from centre. Getting it yet? Level does not always mean flat...learn the proper context.
Tons of curvature, you’re just being ignorant and bias.
https://flatearthbusted.blogspot.com/2017/10/curvature-on-parade-turning-torso-video.html?m=0
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=The+Rainy+Lake+Experiment
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157656739898544
Do you speak Hewbrew? My guess is no, so how would you know for certain? Following this Quora link https://www.quora.com/Does-NASA-in-Hebrew-actually-mean-deceive you get a lot of differing answers, but scrolling down and reading from the people who actually read and speak Hebrew, they all say there is no word matching Nasa. And the word that’s kinda spelt that way, is pronounced way differently according to one fellow there, But even if Nasa did mean to deceive in hebrew, so what? Ever heard of a coincidence? Do you think all the tangible evidence for a globe just disappears because of a group’s shared paranoia? Of course not. Evidence is what matters, not paranoid pattern seeking.
Red Hot Chili Peppers are rock stars....not scientists. I’ll get my information and facts from actual experts thank you very much.
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@k6827 No, I haven't proven anything to YOU, because you have your fingers buried in your fucking ears and won't listen or pay attention to any of the proof and evidence I have shared. But I don't share this information for you specifically, I share it for the folks reading these, who are tired of Flat Earths ignorance and bullshit and would like to know where they go wrong.
"Show me a replication of water sticking to a sphere."
All you're doing is confirming you don't understand much about gravity. Water is held to our surface by gravity, anything with mass produces gravity but it requires A LOT of mass before gravity becomes strong enough to hold things to it indefinitely. So it's a little hard to do the test you are asking for, on a smaller scale, while standing in a much stronger gravity well, our Earth's gravity well. Earth will always have a stronger force of gravity, compared to anything else you interacted with here on the surface, so Earths gravity will pull off any water you put on a sphere in a smaller demonstration...like you're asking...and it's INCREDIBLE that I have to explain that to an adult. So the experiment you're asking for is a HUGE straw man and it's a dumb argument...it just tells the rest of us, your lack of understanding in basic physics.
If you knew anything about gravity, you'd know we can't scale down Earths gravity and reproduce that same output, but it can be tested directly on smaller objects. I'm sure you've heard of the Cavendish experiment that tests the attraction between two objects directly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYf-Glwtr68 This is very repeatable science and more then that it's how we measured the universal constant of gravity we use as G in many equations, from parabolic projectile equations, to plotting orbital paths, to simple aerodynamic lift equations.
But go ahead...tell me gravity isn't real...and then offer no proof of that claim, while meanwhile ignoring the very easy experiment (that I shared above) that does verify its existence.
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@k6827 Did I say we knew what it was? No, I said we know how it works. We have observed a phenomena that occurs in nature, and we have measured its effects, these effects are undeniably true, things fall when you drop them, mass is attracted to other mass and at a predictable rate, that does not correlate to other known forces. General Relativity gives us a broader insight into how it works (proven by the Eddington experiment, Red Shift observation in stars, Time Dilation experiments in upper atmosphere, detection of gravitational waves, etc), but yes, we do not know everything about it, is there a problem with that?
Welcome to the fringes of modern science, did you think science was supposed to have everything figured out? Nope, still a lot we don't know, and that's fine, science is happy to admit where it's currently at...but just because we don't know what gravity is or what exactly causes it, does not mean it isn't real. We'll keep working on it, and if we discover something new that can replace our current theory of gravity, then we'll adjust accordingly...that's how science works, but so far, all attempts to falsify general relativity, have only helped to prove it further. And now, we use our understanding of gravity to do everything from put satellites into orbit, help build better planes, or unlock the mysteries of nuclear fusion reactions. Science has accomplished a LOT more with this understanding, then you realize...and it's arrogant of you to spit in the face of that progress, especially when you don't really know shit about anything...you just watched some conspiracy videos on youtube and now you think you do.
You people are just trying to play make believe pretend. Just ignoring or denying anything you disagree with, rather then trying to understand it further, filling in the blanks with bullshit, demanding so much from mainstream science, while pretending your own science doesn't require the same level of skepticism and review. It's incredible.
Just simply claiming that gravity doesn't exist, is not an argument in itself...it's just empty conjecture, providing some evidence that verifies where we're going wrong, THAT'S how you join the conversation. Proving your claims accurate, with actual scientific evidence, falsification through experimentation. Can't do fuck all with empty claims and paranoid bullshit. You are falling for a scam on the internet, perpetuated by village idiots. It's fine to question what you're told, in fact it's logical, but chasing confirmation bias through empty speculations and bullshit...is not how you find answers, it's how you join cults.
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@arthurmack7026 No, you haven’t been rhetorically persuaded, there’s a difference. I’ve answered your question empirically, but you either don’t understand or don’t want to understand, so the explanation went over your head. But, just because you don’t understand, does not mean what I said is wrong, just means you were incapable of understanding. We put our own satellites in orbit around Earth today, using the knowledge I just explained to you above, so this is far beyond a hypothesis, it’s an applied science now, which means it’s accurate.
It matters very little if you understand or not, science continues onward full knowing most people won’t ever grasp how most things work. Doesn’t really matter in the end though, so long as some people can grasp the knowledge enough to continue using it for mankind’s advancement. Point being, you’re not achieving much in these comments, you’re just sharing with us all how incapable you are.
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@arthurmack7026 Burden of proof is always on the one making the claim...that used to be seen as pretty standard and also quite reasonable. Whenever I make a claim, I do my best to remember to share a source or citation, it’s just faster, easier and makes your position stronger....it used to just be common sense, but these are truly dark times it seems.
In short, I’m not going to do your work for you. If you can’t share a source that supports your claims, then I will just conclude you’re lying, because you’ve given me no reason to believe otherwise. The other reason being that I risk finding the wrong sources if I’m completing YOUR arguments for you, and then I risk reaching false assumptions and conclusions for YOUR arguments. It’s a waste of time. Either share your evidence, or you have no argument, it’s pretty simple.
The truth has nothing to fear from closer analysis, so sharing sources shouldn’t be a problem if you’re telling the truth. Not providing evidence for your claims, just makes it appear like your making up bullshit as you go.
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@arthurmack7026 Well why can’t you just share it? Why rattle on and waste time? Would take you 2 seconds, then it’s done, yet you just whine and whine. You wanna prove your points, then do the work required to do so. I’m fine with questioning authority, I’m just not doing YOUR job for you to prove YOUR arguments. You made the claim, so your job to prove it, not mine. Pretty basic stuff. When I make a claim, you can bet I’ll share as much information that supports it as I can, cause that’s how arguing your own position works.
So is your computer science fiction? Is the electricity that powers it also just fiction? What about the wifi connection, that uses precise wave frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum to send and receive these messages, guess scientists didn’t have to discover these invisible wavelengths, then deduce how they work, so they could put them to practical use? You really take everything around you for granted...it’s really sad. Such arrogant ignorance.
You’re an idiot, who doesn’t know how to prove a point or argue with evidence, so I’m questioning YOU for obvious reasons, because you don’t actually know anything, you just pretend to. I’ll question authority when YOU actually make any valid points, that YOU can actually prove. Until then, I will question YOU, because you are the one making up the bullshit. See how this works yet? You wanna “wake people up”, then do a better fucking job of it, instead of acting like a whiny crazy person, with nothing but empty claims and clear delusions of grandeur. :/
We’re hearing you just fine idiot, but we’re not just going to listen to you blindly and without question, why would you ever think we should? You either have actual arguments with solid evidence, or you don’t, and so far you don’t...just endless arguments from ignorance and incredulity. So we’re not convinced for obvious reasons, cause so far you have nothing. Do better, or you’re just another delusional layman, who’s been successfully suckered by con men online. Pretty simple.
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@Nspeedtheone No, that's exactly what you're saying, he disagrees with you, so he's not a scientist in your opinion. You even said it, he's a "globe Earther", so not at scientist according to you...well the very large majority of scientists agree that the Earth is a Globe...sooooo, by your understanding, they are not scientists either then, simply because they agree the Earth is a Globe? So that's exactly what you're saying, he disagrees with you, so he's not a scientist. I just find it odd that you on one hand say "A scientist will consider everything and then put it to the test" and then say "...not a scientist. He was a globe Earther". You're not giving him a choice...he has to be a Flat Earther by your rhetoric, or he's not a scientist, it's bullshit.
You're being pretty irrational. A person becomes a scientist, when they go through the process that is required of them to reach that job title. He has earned that title through his schooling and experience, so he is a scientist...you don't get to decide that I'm afraid. Scientists are allowed to align themselves with whatever position they agree with, they do not lose their title for simply making that choice, that's just absurd and irrational.
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@trojax44 It sounds like you're paranoid to me, that wouldn't happen though if you just took the time to LEARN some science, and stop letting conspiracy nuts scramble your brains. Paranoia and fear of science is a byproduct of scientific illiteracy, if you don't know how anything works, it's natural for the mind to start filling the blanks with worst case scenarios...that's how our brains are wired, we're prone to reacting first and thinking much later. Worry and dread tend to rule our thoughts more then optimism, I feel paranoia increases the less you know about something...the opposite is true the more knowledge you acquire, but it's harder then ever these days, because misinformation spreads around so much easier then ever before. So you really have to be careful where you're getting your information from.
In my experience, Flat Earth (as well as many other conspiracies) are conning people...fooling you into believing that science has been lying to you for malicious purposes, and these con men do it so they can sell you more books and documentaries. It's a scam, they are modern day snake oil sales men. They exploit peoples laziness and lack of knowledge, feeding you quick and easy to digest bullshit, that is more akin to misdirection then actual facts. If you had any knowledge of physics, or astronomy, or mathematics, you'd know right away how these people con you...but in my experience, Flat Earthers are not people who have backgrounds or experience with ANY of those fields.
It's perfectly fine to ask questions, it's even logical. It's also perfectly logical to demand higher standards from science. If there are groups of swindlers in science that are up to no good, then those individuals should be held accountable, absolutely. But when it comes to the shape of the Earth....this is not something that can be so easily hidden or brainwashed into us. There are just too many minds out there, working in industries where they rely heavily on our knowledge of the Earth to be accurate, in order to do their jobs with any level of efficiency.
I know you feel very strongly that the Earth is flat...but what exactly led you there? Was it actual evidence, or just pure speculation, bias and paranoia? Speculation is dangerous, cause it can feel like evidence...but most people seem to really have a hard time discerning the difference...and we all have our bias, that we also tend to follow more so then objective truth. Your bias seems pretty simple, a lack of trust of authority and your faith. Both are powerful bias. My bias is probably a deep trust and respect for science, it's just as powerful, but at least I'm aware of my bias, that helps me to keep it under control. I feel it's important to be aware of your bias, if you want to really keep it from getting in the way of objective truth.
Either way, the shape of the Earth is easy to discern, anyone can deduce the true shape with just a little bit of effort and critical thought. Observe any sunset for example, and then just try to make sense of that over a Flat Earth. Very basic things about reality just fall apart the moment you try and make sense of them on a Flat Earth...meanwhile, the Globe answers for these same occurrences with absolute ease. A sunset for example, the Earth rotates away from the Sun each day causing it to rise and set...there, explanation over. But how exactly does the sun set on a Flat Earth? Where does it go at night? Somebody always sees the Sun somewhere on Earth, so it's not just disappearing. So it has to occupy the same visual sky, so if that's the case...then how does it set? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9d4bjImHM&t=5s
The Earth is not flat, but of course I can't force you to believe that statement, you'd have to go through the evidence and make up your own mind. I am sure you have done that, for at least one half of the discussion, you wouldn't be a Flat Earther otherwise. If it interests you though, I could share some information with you that you may have overlooked. Up to you really, my aim is not to mock you or ridicule you for having a belief that is opposite of mine, just here to offer some information from the opposite side of the argument, if you'd like to know more about it. At this point I know quite a lot about Earth science, so feel free to ask and maybe I can help provide some perspective.
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@trojax44 No, cause that's not possible. I don't think it has ever been the goal of science to destroy or disprove the concept of God, so it's not my intention either. Science is just another tool in the belt, it's a method of thought that we use to deduce how physical reality works, nothing more. In my opinion, science has done more to prove God even more grand then ever before. What's more impressive, a God that created a tiny terrarium we can never escape, or a God that created a cosmos so vast and expansive we will never hope to explore it all or even comprehend it...but we're free too explore all we like, so long as we're willing to try? For me it's the latter, and being a very curious person, I don't like limitations, I am personally more excited by a universe so vast it's impossible to see and understand it all. But, that's my bias right...point is, science will likely never disprove God, that's not what science is for anyway.
Anyway, no, I won't argue against a God, I have my own spiritual beliefs on that point, so I'd merely just share information on the points of Globe Earth.
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Knowing the correct scale and geometry of Earth matters a great deal to fields of navigation, communication, engineering and infrastructure. Kinda need to know this stuff, if they’re gonna have any chance of doing their jobs with any accuracy. Also just helps to be on the same page in general, saves a lot of time. May not notice the effect, but spreading misinformation actually slows human progress, by crippling future generations chances at entering fields of work that fuel innovation. If a kid grows up believing misinformation, it really makes it harder for them down the road, if they ever attempt some form of secondary education. If they grow up thinking fields of math and science are pointless, makes for fewer scientists, doctors, and engineers...the people who pretty much keep the wheels of innovation turning. So it matters.
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