Comments by "MrSirhcsellor" (@MrSirhcsellor) on "Jubilee"
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Well…there is a Sun in space, so not sure I fully understand your question with how you phrased it. But I’ll assume you meant to ask why space isn’t lit up like the day time hours here on Earth are. Because for light to be seen, it’s either coming direct to your eye from the light source, or it requires matter to be reflected off of. That’s actually how you see anything, it’s just light reflecting off of molecules of matter, and then that light comes to your eye. Space is dark because it’s a vacuum, there’s nothing in most of space to reflect light back to your eye, so you only see direct light sources, like stars or planets reflecting light from their suns. We see a blue sky during the day, because light from our Sun is hitting our atmosphere, which scatters the light through all the molecules of air that make up our atmosphere. Space is mostly empty, so nothing to illuminate, so it’s dark.
Hope that information is helpful, or at the very least interesting. Take care.
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Are you really that crushed about Santa? So your mother wanted to impart a little magic and wonder into your childhood, what’s so wrong about that? 🤷♂️ Kids are dreamers, nothing wrong with nurturing those dreams a little. Most of us grow up and get over it, and then we have some magical memories of our youth. Either way…it’s not the same thing by a long shot. Millions of people would not be able to keep Earth’s shape a secret…it’s an absolute impossibility. Especially when anyone can learn navigation, and test it themselves…a whole system designed around Earth’s true geometry, a sphere.
Anyone who thinks a government of any kind, could control and hide that massive of a lie, for hundreds of years, is not thinking logically or rationally at all. You give governments far too much credit. They can’t even hide their affairs…you really think they could hide the Earth, from the billions of other people who can go out and test its surface geometry, whenever they feel like it? 😅
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@jacklynwood2008 No, there isn't...because there's no debate here anymore. Flat Earth just contradicts so much modern physics and applied science. We have satellites in orbit right now.....they wouldn't be there, if the Earth was flat, because that technology is built and works thanks to our current knowledge of the world being accurate. Gravity as we understand it would be impossible on a Flat Earth...and again, orbits would also be impossible...satellites are in orbits, that's how they stay up in space, that requires gravity and a spherical geometry. A sphere just makes absolute sense, because it's the most rigid shape in nature and gravity pulls to a center point, so when you build up mass around that center...what shape does it form? What shape is a snowball for the same reason? A sphere...you crush a snowball in toward a center, to make the most rigid shape there is in nature, a sphere. So just like a snowball, a bubble, or a raindrop, which all have forces squeezing them toward a center point...a sphere just makes absolute sense for the Earth. It makes sense of our moons shape, the other planets, the Sun, the stars....ALL spheres, for a very good reason....because of gravity, a force that pulls all mass to a center.
So the biggest reason there are no flat Earth scientists...is because when you start learning science, to become a scientist, you learn first hand how a flat Earth is absolutely impossible, while a sphere Earth makes perfect sense of pretty much EVERY piece of modern science. You prove it to yourself, you go from a layman who was ignorant about most things before, where flat is possible...too an expert who knows how things works first hand, who's building satellites and putting them into space, who understands perfectly why flat Earth is an impossible shape for Earth to have, it does not fit with reality. These people know for certain what's what...because it's there job to know. So there is no Flat Earth scientist, because these people know for certain, after going through the process of becoming a scientist...it removes all doubt.
It's the applied sciences that are the hardest to argue against, the technologies that exist, are only possible because our knowledge is accurate. Satellites can't work...if the Earth is flat. That's just a fact. They can't orbit without gravity...that's just a fact...it's a key ingredient in orbital mechanics. Gravity can't exist on a flat Earth at our scale...it would collapse into a sphere, because gravity bends space to a center. Scientists put satellites into orbit and so it's just nonsensical to think the Earth is flat then....if this technology requires the Earth to be a sphere with gravity, in order to work as designed.
Anyway, so there's a very good reason why you won't find any flat Earth scientists today...there is probably nothing in science they are more certain of, then the shape of the Earth. You learn that in the process of becoming a scientist.
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@jacklynwood2008 Ok, but it's often not the scientists fault that these conversations start to veer off into a religious conversation. Flat Earthers tend to be religious and think the Earth is a flat plane simply because the Bible says it is. Scientists would love to talk about the science and focus on that...but that conversation never gets to happen for very long, because the only rebuttal these people tend to have, is bible verses most of the time. Little hard to keep a discussion focused, when they just ignore any science you share and then bring up Bible verses as their evidence. So THEY tend to turn the talk into a religious discussion rather than a scientific discussion...that's exactly what happened above in this video as well.
I've been talking to Flat Earthers for over 3 years now, so I've talked to hundreds of them....very few of them, are non religious. You talk to them long enough, explain all the science to them that falsifies their points, they eventually turn to their last resort (but main reason for believing what they believe), Bible verses...and then the science grinds to a halt. Which reveals that they don't really care about the science....all they care about is confirming their bias, that being their religion. Religion is a powerful bias and a lot of people seem to have trouble marrying the two, science and religion...so they struggle with it. Doesn't help that they aren't listening...I feel your frustration, it would be GREAT if these discussions of geometry and physics didn't talk about religion...but then Flat Earthers need to stop turning it into a religious discussion.
It's fine if they want to talk religion and Flat Earth in a different debate that focuses on that topic, but if we're focusing on science...then that stuff should have NO place in that particular discussion. Would be great if they understood that....cause I agree, I don't like science talking ill of religion either. I don't like getting into any discussion where faith is being mocked and ridiculed...but they just keep bringing it to that place, and frankly, religious texts are not science...so they don't belong in that discussion. So I blame Flat Earthers for taking it to that place, not scientists. I've talked to enough of these people to know that when they have nothing left, the Bible verses start coming...and it doesn't really take long, cause they tend to not know much about science.
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@jacklynwood2008 You would think it'd be that easy, if we were talking to rational people. But after talking to Flat Earthers for a few years now, and trying this very calm collected approach to point out there errors...it's clear we're not dealing with rational people. We are dealing with fear and paranoia, they believe any system of authority is their oppressor, this includes science, so this is the villain they need to defeat. So they don't really care what you have to say, they don't trust science, they just counter with "you're indoctrinated to say that". So we're not dealing with rational people here, we're dealing with a mental disorder, years of being lied to by government and corporations has caught up to us and created a great rift of lost trust in some people. You'd think facts would be able to bring them back and this would be super easy...but you can't have a conversation with a mind that's to afraid of your position to open up and listen to it.
I agree though, I too have my own spiritual beliefs, so it's really sad when religions get caught up in these conspiracy's, cause it just makes them look bad.
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Well, it is knowledge that matters a great deal to human advancement and modern society as a whole. Sure matters a lot to the entire industries that rely heavily on our current system of global navigation to be accurate, in order to do what they do at all. So if you like many of the various foods you probably have in your fridge right now, and pretty much every little luxury or commodity you purchased from foreigner exporters like China, or India, then it matters quite a bit to your life as well...more than you realize. And that's just the industries that rely on navigation...there is then infrastructure, engineering, communication, etc, etc, etc.
So it matters....we can't do anything of value for human advancement, with inaccurate information. Your life has been made better by the effort of others who understood this and took great steps to make sure ignorance and laziness of information gathering, did not prevail. Please don't take that for granted.
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It’s significant for those who believe in it, because it confirms their fears, justifies their anger and helps them feel superior. There’s also the biblical literalism that is strong with many of them...for these people, it doesn’t just confirm government lies and corruption, it also confirms their religious beliefs, which has always been a strong desire and powerful bias for some people. So they cling to the belief for a lot of reasons, some are looking to confirm and restore their faith, others are looking to feel superior to their peers, others want an excuse for why their lives suck that’s not linked to themselves.
It’s a problem, because they’re spreading misinformation and teaching people how to chase bias and become more ignorant, which could potentially be damaging for society’s future progress. That being said, I’ve been following things for the last 4 years since I first heard of it, I’ve chatted with hundreds of Flat Earthers at this point, the trend has slowly died off in the last couple years, and it’s pretty close to dead today. There will always be stragglers, but it’s lost a lot of steam.
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Well, that’s a common misconception of Big Bang Theory, it doesn’t state that something came from nothing, it just states that everything was once very dense and then it went through a great expansion and matter began to form from preexisting particles within that expansion. The question of “something can’t come from nothing” is a bit of a paradox. Cause if God exists, who or what created him? Who or what created that thing, and so on. At some point, something started from nothing...or it’s always existed, which is an equally perplexing problem for us humans to grasp, as everything we do in life operates on the notion of having a start and an end.
Big Bang doesn’t replace the concept of God though, it just helps explain how our current universe formed. It’s the leading theory of cosmology today, because it has the most evidence supporting it, that’s all. Look up the 4 pillars of the Big Bang if you’d like to learn exactly what that evidence is. If a better theory comes along someday though, that provides even more evidence, then Big Bang will be replaced. That’s how science works, it’s a long process of trial and error, of building upon prior knowledge and refining it.
The goal is not to eliminate God, and it likely never will even if it was. It’s just to learn more about how physical reality works, that’s all science has ever set out to do.
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As much as I don’t like to agree with a Flat Earther, KangenAlec is right in that you can’t assume we’re the same by a single observational comparison alone, that’s committing a false equivalence fallacy. However, though we can’t reach a conclusion like that on a single observation, we can include it to the broader model as a small piece of evidence towards the larger conclusion. What Flat Earthers fail to realize, is that science didn’t just conclude the heliocentric model on a single observation, it came to these conclusions after several thousands maybe even millions of observations, that isolated the heliocentric conclusion and falsified all others.
The Heliocentric model fits with all observation made in reality and makes sense of everything, from the geometry to the physics. But...Flat Earthers will likely never realize that, because they stop researching the momentum their bias is confirmed, cherry-picking information and ignoring the details that refute what they’d like to believe. Doesn’t change anything though, because there still is no working model of flat Earth and it’s not used for any applied science today...that’s for a good reason.
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@KangenAlec Not really, it’s not a big secret that governments and power structures lie and conceal information, it’s pretty common knowledge. What’s different between some people is how much they allow their imagination to wonder on the subject, creating shadows from their fears that likely aren’t real. It’s made worse when these paranoid ideas need more, when you’ve already reached a bias conclusion from pure speculations, but now you go searching for bread crumbs in the form of even more speculations and misinformation, looking for anything that can confirm that bias even more...reverting back to mans primal instinct of finding patterns, even when there are none.
Believe me, I understand the logic that drives you, I used to think the exact same way, thinking in absolutes, pretending my life sucks not because of my doing, but because of a boogeymen I believed was at the helm pulling the strings. Do I still entertain the idea, sure, but I don’t believe it outright anymore. Paranoia, fear, bias, speculation...none of this will lead you to any real truth, just makes you miserable. Evidence and keeping your head on your shoulders, following objective reasoning over emotion and confirmation bias, that’s a far better way to get to truth. It’s slower yes, not as addicting, doesn’t quite feed that hunger for pattern seeking nearly as much, but it’s honest.
Point is, most people get it...they have the same anxieties and they entertain the same crazy ideas from time to time. We know lying occurs, the question is how much...and how much does our own mind fabricate, simply cause it wants to be right so badly?
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@KangenAlec Rainbows are reproduced in simple garden hoses in your back yard, and even in any mist you produce indoors...so how exactly does the dome reflect itself, in a closed off space? No, rainbows are caused by the scattering of light rays that can occur when passing through any transparent/reflective prism...like raindrops, or any man made glass prism you can buy at a super market....so just more ignorance and bias.
You don’t seem to realize the difference between an empty conjecture and evidence. You can’t just claim tv signals are bounced off of a dome, and then provide zero scientific evidence of that claim. It’s not evidence of a dome, because satellites are still very much an alternative explanation...the difference is, real people engineer, build, and put satellites into orbit, and any amateur astronomer can go out at night and track them...even pull data from them. What you have isn’t evidence, it’s not even a hypothesis, it’s an empty claim...of which you are full of.
Rockets appear to arc in the sky, because they’re putting themselves into an orbital trajectory, which means they’re curving with the Earth. It’s how an orbit works...instead of flying straight up where you’re constantly fighting against gravity, they instead use gravity to their advantage by flying at an angle, eventually curving with the Earth. From your perspective on the ground, this will appear like it’s curving back down to the ground.
No, you don’t have evidence, you have empty conjectures. Evidence is something more tangible...but forget touching it, or interacting with it, you don’t even have an observation of this apparent dome. So try again.
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@KangenAlec I’m well aware of what you numpty’s think causes things to fall, but you’re not getting it. Nothing is put into motion without a force first putting it into motion. Density is not a force, it has no physical means for putting matter into motion by itself...it’s the motion that you people ignore. What causes the downward motion? That’s what you’re ignoring. Even in a vacuum, things still fall towards Earth, there’s no density displacement happening in a vacuum, things just fall...and it’s always in the same direction. The question is why? To which flat Earth’s explanations have no answers.
Flat Earthers think they have it all figured out...but all you’re really doing is ignoring variables, ignoring what you need to, to keep a fantasy alive. Can’t do much with ignorance, denial and bias won’t get us very far at all. Maybe you’re fine with living in denial and ignorance, but the rest of the world knows better, thankfully.
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