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Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Working Families Party Jumps The Shark" video.
Guys don't give WFP leadership the benefit of the doubt for a second. Remember that Bernie has nearly double the grassroots support and number of donors that Warren has and his core base is workers, while Warren's core base is college-educated white citizens. The numbers do not add up, and they won't release the vote, which should say everything on it's own.
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The leadership is being incredibly shady while nearly all their members are demanding the vote tally. Makes me think that Bernie won overwhelmingly among their members and they needed nearly all 50 of their leaders to vote for Warren to override it.
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Hypothetically, say every single one of their members were to vote for Bernie, but then behind closed doors every single one of their 50 leaders got together and decided to unanimously vote for Warren, who would decide to even break that tie hmm? So basically, the entire vote was entirely up to leadership, how very "democratic" of them.
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A lot of Warren supporters are ex-Hillary supporters, these people can't help but cheat, it's just part of their nature apparently. WFP still refuses to release the vote tally and they're getting lit up on Twitter and Facebook.
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Does anybody believe for a second that Warren would've won if they didn't use a superdelegate process? If Warren won among their members, they would've released the vote tally because why wouldn't they of when they released it last election.
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He's "so proud of the process" when they had to make it so a couple people got 50% of voting power and they won't even tell their members what the tally was.
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Not even because of picking Warren over Bernie, but the fact that they used a superdelegate voting process (calling it "deeply Democratic"), and then refused to release the votes.
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@wvu05 If they reaffirmed what the membership wanted they would've released the vote the moment countless people started saying they were leaving unless they gave the members transparency. Nah, are we really gonna give them the benefit of the doubt on this, there's just no way. And the way they're squirming about it makes me think they needed nearly all the leaders to override the will of their members.
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@wvu05 Also, we gotta remember that Bernie has double the grassroots support and number of donors that Warren has, and workers are literally his core base, while Warren primarily does better with college educated white citizens. The numbers DO NOT add up.
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@wvu05 The board had 50% of the voting power, so realistically if all the leaders got together and unanimously predetermined they were voting for Warren it would essentially be an automatic endorsement for her. Hypothetically, even if 100% of all members voted for Bernie the leadership would likely still break the tie using their side. There was no "democracy" in this process whatsoever, and they won't even release the tally so we actually have no idea if that's not the case where all board members voted the same way.
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@73151cb I went to their twitter page and there are just nonstop people saying they're leaving and a few saying they're leaving and joining DSA. I'm sure some are fake, but I'm also sure many are real and people are pissed at them. This is what you get when you screw over your members, then spit in their face by calling it "deeply democratic".
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Yeah, their "voting" literally doesn't matter if all 50 people in leadership got together and decided they would all unanimously endorse Warren. The fact that they won't release the vote (when they did last election) should say it all.
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@73151cb From everything I've read about it, the likely answer is that the WFP leaders went with Warren because firstly they support her for whatever milquetoast reason, but also because she courted the leaders pretty hard and they likely gained something out of it business-wise. It's ironic though right? The "Working Families Party" endorses the person whose best for their business and organization's few leaders, while doing what's not in the best interest of Workers.
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@corneliusagrippa4613 I wouldn't say 100%, but I believe it's a likely scenario that we DEFINITELY can speculate about because they're acting incredibly shady and refusing to release the vote. And yeah, Maurice Mitchell said Bernie won around 37% of the vote, so realistically he could've won 74% among members if the leadership all determined they'd vote together in their own interests. I mean, what is stopping them from doing that?
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Ironic huh? The "Working Families Party" cares more about their own business interests as an organization than they do about the interests of working people. It's time for the party to die already. They've been on thin ice since Crowley.
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Think it's more of a "but Warren is a women" thing
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I don't know if he said it accidentally the first time, but he definitely said it jokingly the second time.
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That would be a terrible class, he was awful at evading those questions. He only made the issue far worse for themselves.
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You quit just in time in 2018, that's the year they endorsed Joe Crowley and then Hakeem Jeffries.
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