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As a millennial male maybe I can give a bit of insight on this, because despite being a progressive Independent (sort of Democrat but not really) I, in some form, have also felt the invisible push to want to go to the other side of the aisle where, even though it is full of disgusting human beings, it still gives men respect no matter the circumstance (which should definitely not be the case either). But honestly I feel like it has less to do with Republicans and more to do with the environment Millennial men are dealing with right now more specifically the single dating world and the push pull struggle between men and women in relationships. I can't speak for women in other generations or if this even pertains to ALL millennial women, but a lot of millennial women have been generically hostile towards men just for being men. If you are a millennial woman, this statement might enrage you considering you don't like men telling you how you think or categorizing you, but let's look at the facts. Many studies have come out that detail just how large of a percentage of millennial women are feminists and how many scale more towards extreme feminism. Apparently 1 in 4 millennial women think that a guy asking a girl out for a drink or approaching them in a bar to ask to buy a drink is sexual harassment. Now I personally don't do this to begin with, but I think this statistic gives you a broad understanding of the shift within millennials. Also, look at the recent case with Aziz Ansari where he had no idea he was doing anything wrong, but then the girl he was on a consensual date with suddenly ousted him for being a sexual predator. This type of story would've never happened with a man and woman above the age of 30 or 35. This type of broad attitude towards men and essentially telling them they are garbage because all men are garbage, is what is seriously wedging a divide between men and women who are millennials. Of course, it is not the only factor, but I think it matters greatly.
I can tell you personally, I have been in many relationships with millennial women and have truthfully never been violent in any of them, yet have been hit, had dangerous objects flung at my head, and attacked many times by ex-girlfriends, which strangely occurs only with the women from America, and still through all of this, I and many other men I know have been constantly belittled just for being men. I had a friend who was stabbed by his girlfriend as well even though never being violent towards her whatsoever. It comes from a place where many women in my generation think that a man should never hit a woman, but apparently it is perfectly fine for a woman to physically lash out against a man in one way or another, but then turn around with the stance that men and women should be completely equal, which I whole-heartedly agree with, yet I think there is a large amount of over-privilege that many millennial women take advantage of either consciously or unconsciously even when they are with men who truly believe in equality. At least I can say this is why I have felt the temptation of being a part of a party that gives men more respect, but at the same time never would join them because they don't believe in equality between genders and races and are generally wrong morally, ethically, and logically on almost everything.
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+T Dog - You're being naive if you think this concept of "benevolent sexism" aka what some women like to frame as "traditional chivalry" is only exclusive to "opening the door and pulling chairs out". Those are things you can do for an old lady you don't know and are just common politeness. I'm talking more about the idea that women in modern culture like the idea of being given priority in a relationship, dating, or otherwise and being treated as "princesses" as some would put it from the Millennial generation. If you've ever been in a relationship, marriage, etc. where a woman expected the man to do the gross dirty work, the physical labor, or even simple things like "going to get their purse in their car" because it's "too cold outside" for example if it was say -10 degrees out, these would all be examples of this cultural norm that accounts as benevolent sexism that people will frame as chivalry. These are things that many women expect from men even when they're self-described feminists that preach for total equality both financially and culturally, but the entire concept of benevolent sexism (chivalry) is in total contradiction with the idea of complete equality since it gives the illusion that women can't do these simple to tough things on their own.
And look, I personally, am not offended by these things, I've been doing it my whole life for women, it's just the culture I grew up in, but if we're having a serious debate about these things you have to think about them seriously and ask yourself what are the effects of these types of behaviors. These things could be causing repercussions in our culture that led to things like the MeToo movement, where Hollywood celebrities took full advantage of new female talent they saw as desperate and weak and likely led to silly movements (in my opinion) like Jordan Peterson and his "war on men" narrative and the incels, etc. I honestly think that if we just got rid of the whole idea of benevolent sexism and "chivalry" that extends past simple politeness and common courtesies, then it would just lead to more mutual respect between the genders in knowing they are both fully capable of equal actions and opportunities in our society and in their own personal relationships without portraying the illusion that one is lesser than the other as some kind of pre-programmed mating tactic or whatever it may be for. I think the bond between men and women would only be healthier by just getting rid of the charade altogether since it doesn't really do anything in the first place and is just a cultural norm that evolved involuntarily.
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I agree with "Skyshadow" on what's going on here, and I'll admit, this is a complicated issue, because it has to do with both what is ethically acceptable in art and politics especially because the original bull statue's symbolism has changed over the years of its representation of Wall Street. It was originally constructed to represent an untamed nature of the free market, but it has almost devolved into a greedy and "bullish" representation of Wall Street's hold on everything in this country including the way it slithers into politics. The original sculptor of the bull statue stated that it was installed after the 1987 market crash as a symbol of the "strength and power of the American people". However, this has drastically changed in the last 3 decades considering Wall Street is now commonly known and understood by everyone as being the enemy of the working class and more than 90% of the "American people".
Wall Street, big money, and monopolies have largely ignored what's best for the American people for some time now and done whatever's best for their corporations and profit margins. Even after the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011, they still have not changed their general agenda and perspective. I think the fearless girl was somewhat unfair to the original sculptor of the bull, but it really had little to do with the bull sculpture at all and was a message for big money in Wall Street putting them on blast for their general disregard for the "American people". The "thing" that the bull statue was original supposed to represent.
When it comes to the pug, that is just a childish way of drawing a penis on someone's art. There's no symbolism behind it besides saying that someone was mad about the statue (being a female possibly), so they took a dump on it in art form.
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+Vynjira - Wow thank you so much for acting as the bright shining example to exactly what I was referring to. I clearly labeled myself as a progressive and believing in pure equality between men and women and made an observation on the social aspect and shift going on, and then what do you do? You claim that apparently I'm just another woman hating male and an "Anti-Feminist". (I don't even know what an MRA is btw) You say this to someone who clearly believes in gender equality to the fullest and should be on the same side, but instead you peg me as the enemy and then claim that my opinions are solely because I've had "bad dating experiences", when I've clearly made a logical observation about several men, men in culture, celebrity relationships and so on. And also what the hell was I "lying" about? I gave one statistic and one anecdote about Aziz Ansari and the rest was just speculative as I stated at the very beginning of my post. The problem with millennial women is they don't understand who their enemy is so instead you just label every guy who isn't gay and marching in the streets with you for feminism as someone who apparently hates women, which is so far from the truth that it's just sad. Seriously, what the hell do you want from millennial men? Do you want equality? Great most millennial men want that too and all women should have equal opportunities as men without being harassed in the workplace. Do you want equality but to be treated like your better than us and can dictate how men should act and whats appropriate for them to say and do outside the bounds of obvious inappropriate behavior? Then no we don't want that because that has nothing to do with feminism and equality and has more to do with a derailed ego that many of you have for some reason and then if we say anything against it we get called "Anti-Feminists" and male pigs. I watch The Young Turks almost every day, which is one of the most liberal shows airing today, I've made it clear that I believe in total equality for men and women, but somehow I'm an "anti-feminist". What world do you live in lady? Because I think this is the prime example of what is wrong with the social gap between millennial women and men today.
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+T Dog - Also, I don't mean to be the "warrior for men" guy, because I'm really not and I'm just trying to have a civil debate about this, but in a time of massive income inequality and growing poverty among men AND women and when 60% of the country can't afford a sudden $400 surprise expense, the idea of a man always being the one to pay the tab on constantly recurring dates, getting the bill to show his self-worth, and upholding the traditional idea that "the man pays for his woman" (you know, chivalry), it just will always ultimately conclude with the man being at a financial disadvantage to a woman in the dating world, in a relationship, or even in a marriage. When women are the one's adamantly calling for equal pay and total financial equality to men, it seems odd and even somewhat hypocritical that the man, in our western culture, is always the one that suffers from these cultural norms that are pre-programmed in us. Having a lot of money isn't always the factor that attracts women, but it definitely helps and it basically condemns a man to having women troubles if he first has money troubles and his job doesn't pay him enough, whereas a woman almost never has to worry about these factors if they want to keep dating while working a shitty job. Do you see the inequality here that comes from these cultural gender differences?
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I can proudly say that you, sir, are a veteran that I can gladly give high respect and esteem towards. Thank you for your service to our country and giving your loyalty towards our nation and not just the current president. Many persons mix those 2 together, but it is sometimes more patriotic to question the current leader of the USA, who you believe is leading our nation astray and towards impending downfall, than it is to blindly follow our unqualified President down a path that chips away at our nation's democracy, freedoms, and liberty that the founding fathers worked so hard to instill.
I would argue that your patriotism and loyalty to our country far exceeds our current commander in chief considering when Trump was 22, he got a doctor to fill him out a 1-Y medical deferment that excluded him from the draft for the Vietnam War. It was apparently for "bone spurs in his heels" even though Trump played football, tennis, and squash at the time without issue and was in peak physical condition. It is more likely that his wealthy family bought off the doctor to forge him a medical deferment so he could swindle his way out of serving our country overseas.
Anyone who tries to say you are less patriotic because you do not follow Trump is a fool, and I would argue your courage, loyalty and patriotism would put Trump to shame if the truth were ever revealed. However, like his tax returns, he has refused to release his 1-Y medical deferment to the public most likely for fear of what it may reveal.
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+tomatodamashi - That is just factually wrong. Our Revolution, Justice Democrats and DSA have nearly a 50% win rate. Yes, the larger offices are harder to win because more money is involved (Cortez was outspect 10 to 1 along with many candidates), but they are winning large majorities of smaller offices. How many politicians does the Green Party have in office? They have like one mayor of a small bureau of San Francisco and one politician at a State level (Maine state House), they had another in the Arkansas House, but that person re-registered as a Democrat in 2014, and then all the rest the Greens have in office are on town councils, local administrators, and members on school boards. Stop being a pessimistic douche. Our Revolution, Justice Democrats, and DSA have people going into federal Congress, governorships, mayoral positions, and tons of lower offices. This is likely just a warmup for 2020 too. I hope the Greens and other progressives win their races in the future, but THIS way is winning for sure and you're trying to downplay that just as Pelosi was the other day.
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You need to look at it in a broader scope. In a time of massive class income inequality in this country when 50% of Americans make less than $34,000 a year and 60% of Americans can't afford a surprise $400 expense without having to borrow the money, it is only detrimental to males that it is a cultural expectation that they need to get the bill to show their self-worth to females in our society. When feminists demand equal pay and to close the wage gap completely, which I agree with, it comes off as somewhat hypocritical that the cultural norms we have in western civilization are, in fact, causing men to be financially unequal to women. Sure this is not all women, and maybe it's not usually too much of a financial burden for most, but it's still an issue and if we truly want men and women to be completely equal both financially and culturally, then we need to start demanding for equality in both a professional atmosphere, in politics, and in culture between men and women in relationships, marriages, or in the work place. If women and feminists are serious about this and for TRUE equality and not just empowering women in our culture and in business, they would be supportive of getting rid of these cultural norms that cause constant pressure on men to exert financial power to show their self-worth to women otherwise there is usually a silent shame to the fact that they are not "paying for their woman" and the woman has to pay for her half of a meal, a date, a vacation, the groceries, and the list goes on. First we all need to be honest about this and acknowledge the fact that there is a cultural inequality with men that cost them financially in the end, and we need to work to reverse the shame that occurs in our culture when a woman pays for her fair share in a relationship or marriage. Giving gifts to each other is great and usually a sign of affection, but what we have now goes beyond that to the point where men feel shamed and lesser if they are unable or unwilling to pay for everything a woman does, and even if women want to deny that this is still an issue they can't avoid the reality that this is still very existent in our culture.
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I'm pretty sure the one case where the woman said "no" (when he asked consent), CK is stating he did not proceed after he asked consent. If she is claiming he went ahead with it, then I'm sure she has little proof to back that up and only CK knows the truth for sure. Either way, the man asked consent every single time. CK is a perv, no one is debating this fact, but if the wrong thing in that situation is not getting consent from the other person, and asking consent is apparently also the wrong thing, then what is the right thing? Some people just have perverted fetishes and/or are sex addicts, it's just the way things are in the free world. If someone like that can't be who they are at all and never even ask consent for any type of action in the first place, we are going to start reverting back to being a country of sexual repression and prudes. Starting to micromanage sexual conduct between acquaintances, friends, and potential lovers is not going to help anything. This story is ridiculous when there is far more awful predatory shit going on right now.
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I don't understand why the justice system even exists for white collar criminals and politicians. Even when their found guilty, they end up getting away with no jail time. It literally tells you all you need to know about our justice system, in that jail is for the poor even when people don't even do anything like not being able to pay a court fine for some trivial traffic violation or child alimony. Rick Gates just had all his charges reduced to parole with no jail time because he flipped and is fully cooperating. But then what is the end game with that? Because if you just kept doing that until you got all the way to the top with Donald Trump, you would've let everyone go without jail time, and then when it gets to Trump, he's not even going to be given jail time because I don't even know if a President can go to jail. It just might not be possible with the amount of senators, politicians and powerful people he knows. Oliver North was actually found guilty for the crimes in the Iran Contra Affair with selling weapons to the Iranians to fund the Sandinistas, but then when the time came, he was cleared of the charges and simply ousted. Imagine if that's how we dealt with other every day criminals. As if someone tried to rob a bank or sell weapons on the street, and then they were found guilty and instead of seeing a jail sell, they were simply told to stay out of the illegal arms dealing business and then just set free outside the court house. The US is able to have 33% of the world's prisoner population but we don't have 1 more jail cell for some of the biggest scum in modern political history. I won't be holding my breath that Trump actually wears an orange jump suit in a year or two although it would be pretty priceless to see him wearing orange over his orange skin.
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+Listenbuddy1 - You and the other fools in the trump base are more wrong on this issue than any other, and that is an impressive feat since you have countless warped views and "alternative facts" that are influenced by a moronic demagogue. Even if you don't believe in climate change, it is almost a certainty at this point that the renewable energy industry is going to be worth trillions, which is why China is trying be at the forefront of it. You and your blind trump-supporters want America to be number 1 in the world, but your ignorance and stupidity is going to hurt us economically and push us back years in R&D and development of renewable energy once a competent President retakes the White House. We could be creating countless new jobs for constructing solar panels, wind turbines, geothermal and wave energy machinery and parts that we could be exporting to other countries and bringing in more capital and raising our GDP from this new source of wealth for our country. However, you and the rest of what's left of the trump-supporters are blind to even money, let alone saving our world from certain destruction if we don't act immediately. Also, if you even think there's the slightest chance that climate change is real (which I think you secretly do deep down and 97% of scientists say it is), then you have to accept this by default or else your miscalculation and overall arrogance will result in a global catastrophe for every country on Earth including the United States most of all, who the rest of the world will point their fingers at as the only country that didn't do something to stop this epic disaster.
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+QuantumBraced - Exactly. I agree with every single thing you said. It's not just one particular person's fault, it's just the culture in general that is causing the behavior to flourish to begin with. Western civilization, America especially, seems to reward aggression, persistence, and basically treating a woman like she is helpless weak and then certain women even feminists are outraged when it is done in a manner they dislike. If you want to eradicate toxic behavior in general, you need to stop making it normal to portray the illusion that a woman is weaker and needs help from a big strong man (what some woman frame as chivalry) because it is ultimately that idea that leads to extreme examples where men believe their persistence will be rewarded, but is just stalkerish behavior in certain cases, and then in situations like the extreme misogyny that led to the MeToo backlash, which has been going on for decades. We need to reshape the culture if we want this kind of stuff to go away, you can't have it both ways where women want to be completely respected in the work place and in culture but also want to be coddled by the men they're attracted to, pretended like their "princesses" and are weaker/always need help.
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