Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Prominent Progressive Sours On Bernie 2020" video.

+Tara Thralls - You're referring to something he said all the way back in 2015 lady. It did not happen "recently". Also you're completely taking it out of context. A reporter asked him if he would dismantle the drone program and he decried the use of drones under Obama and said he would only use them for very select counter-terrorism operations if they are necessary, because he said even though drones have been used terribly, they still work. Here are his exact words "Look, a drone is a weapon. When it works badly, it is terrible and it is counterproductive. When you blow up a facility or a building which kills women and children, you know what? … It’s terrible." Do you know of a presidential candidate who openly said they would dismantle the drone program entirely? Who is this person whose going to fire all the generals, shut down the Pentagon, and dismantle all the drones with their bare hands?
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Too bad the US hasn't done the right thing and denounced Israel and sanctioned the fuck out of them until they come up with a 2 state deal or give Palestinians equal rights. Meanwhile Trump is bragging about his Jerusalem embassy building and waiting for his end of times prophecy to happen and letting 2000 year old biblical mythology dictate his morals and US policy.
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I completely agree. Getting Bernie elected would force the MSM to cover him daily and push average Americans to listen to his policies and ideas. It would essentially shift the Overton window to where the rest of the civilized world has it in Europe and other 1st world countries that are now turning to populism. Also, Bernie's not going to live forever either. Perhaps he makes it through two terms (he might retire), but whenever he's sent on his way, he's essentially going to be a martyr for all the younger generations and set the stage for our country for the next 50 years and the people need to decide if that's going to be 50 years of populism and government for the people, or if it's going to be another 50 years of corporate control, which I don't think this country can handle anymore. It's really tone deaf to think a real populist like Bernie having the ear of every person in the country for 4-8 years wouldn't have an effect on our system. The guy didn't even run in the general in 2016 and he's already had a HUGE effect on the country. Almost as much as Trump (but in a good way).
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So wait you're saying that you would vote 3rd party instead of Bernie in the general? Or are you saying the Dem establishment will cheat him again and you'll be forced to vote 3rd party like last time? Because if Bernie makes it to the general, I'm casting my vote for him first chance I get. It means he overwhelmed the Dem party like Trump did to the RNC. Bernie almost had it in 2016, but he didn't have celebrity name recognition like Trump, and Hillary had her claws in the DNC more than the neocons did with the RNC i think. This time Bernie is going to crush them I'm pretty certain. People are just going to overwhelm the Democratic Party it's going to be the establishment's worst nightmare.
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+Steve Harageones - Well then your a partisan hack who is only obsessed with rank tribalism and is limited by party lines.
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+James G - It's funny because I imagine many right-winger Dore fans would tell you him letting BLM speak and hearing them out was a "weakness" while they continue to babble about how Bernie won't listen to their cries for him to start his own party (essentially forfeiting his chances at winning the 2020 presidency in my opinion). Bernie is smart enough to know what best root to take to win the presidency and it's true the Democratic establishment will lie and cheat and try everything in their power to unlevel the playing field against him, but most people don't want to admit that running as a 3rd party candidate is even MORE rigged than trying to beat the Dems in their own party. Some states don't even give you the options for 3rd party candidates. That's how fucking bad it is. Also, the fact that Donald Trump was able to overwhelm the Republicans and RNC should give people enlightenment on the fact that it is more than possible for Bernie to win the Dem nomination and most people think it is his very best chance at winning the presidency. All the people calling him a "sellout" because he is going to run as Democrat again (like he DID before) are fooling themselves and willfully ignoring the fact Bernie is the longest serving Independent in Congress. Sooooo.... People are just making themselves look foolish when they say that crap.
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+Jimmy Cotreau - Well no, my question was if Bernie makes it to the general would you vote for him essentially? I know you think this isn't a possibility because the Dems will try to cheat him, but he still has the best odds out of anyone else. The voters are going to be on the lookout for corporate Democrat fuckery this time around and I feel like any attempts they make to rig the primary will likely backfire on them like how they tried to fuck over Laura Moser in Texas.
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+jdjewellpa - What?... Trump has several golf resorts, casinos and a whole fucking skyscraper. What the fuck are you talking about? Bernie's has 2 homes. TWO. That's 1 + 1 = 2. And both his homes are relatively medium sized and worth around $600,000, which is pretty fucking average in this market. It doesn't even matter how many homes ANYONE has though. It's a total non-issue since only their policies matter anyways and Bernie's policies are about a million times more solid than any other politician especially Drumpf who doesn't even have any principles about anything and only ever listens to the last person in the room.
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+jdjewellpa - Your mental gymnastics are quite impressive sir. Bernie has been a mayor and is the longest serving Independent in Congress. If that to you is "not working a day in your life" then that's just hilarious and you're just a silly person, which I do not doubt whatsoever. Also, Trump inherited hundreds of millions from his rich daddy and still managed to go bankrupt 6 different times in his life. It is without a doubt Trump is the one who has barely worked a day in his life. Just look at his work ethic as president. He is very literally The TV president. He skips basic briefings where they need to constantly sneak his name into one page reports so he'll pay attention. He would spend an entire day just rambling on Fox and Friends because he literally has no work to do past that and just watches constant television and news at all other times of the day unless he is golfing. Oh and let's not forget about all the time spent tweeting on a daily basis. He takes the hardest job on Earth that is known to turn past President's hair grey from the amount of stress it exerts, and he manages to turn it into a cushy job where he just bitches about others all day and blames others for his and America's problems.
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I've lost so much respect for Jimmy in the past couple months. I saw this coming the first time he vapidly bashed Bernie because he's butthurt Bernie won't come on his show, which I feel like where most of his bias is coming from even though Bernie just did an interview with The Jimmy Dore show's parent company last week. How the fuck can you label yourself as a progressive anti-establishment show when you're doing the bidding of the establishment by spending your time smearing THE anti-establishment candidate who started his whole revolution and movement to begin with. For Fucks Sake Jimmy's own personal movement was named after Bernie. Jimmy lead the charge in BernieOrBust and now Jimmy's BernieMaybeIdk .. What the fuck kind of flip flopping is that? Bernie hasn't changed a bit and he's been fighting the establishment his whole life. It's you whose changed Jimmy Dore.
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This argument is so silly and I constantly see people making it even though most progressives have gone over it time and time again. YES, the Democratic Party will try to cheat Bernie again and will do all it can to rig the election. HOWEVER, running as a 3rd party candidate is even MORE rigged for candidates. They don't call it a 2 party system for nothing and they don't even put 3rd party candidates on the ballot in some states. Have you ever seen a 3rd party candidate close to any of the Dem and Rep candidates in the general? This whole argument is just excessively dragged out and it's like your just unwilling to accept the fact that Bernie is running in the most pragmatic way possible to actually WIN the 2020 election. It's proven he can win the Dem nominee. Trump proved it in 2016 by overwhelming the RNC and neocons. Bernie almost had Hillary in 2016 but he had no celebrity name recognition compared to Trump or Hillary and Hillary had her claws deep in the DNC. Now in 2020, things are going to be far FAR different. People are going to overwhelm the shit out of neoliberal and corporate Dems in the party. Who even has a chance to stand against Bernie? Bernie is the Dem nominee for sure just out of sheer force in numbers and popularity. Bernie's got this in the bag, just sit back and wait and see.
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+Malphisto Cichol - Oh man, you whipped them so hard with facts and calling them out on their rank tribalism bullshit that they won't even come back to play now. I was laughing when I was reading your posts just destroying their vague arguments. These people are most certainly "shit posting and stirring the pot" as you put it. There's a lot of them, but if you ask them who they're for, they will tell you "Trump" in a moment of honesty, which is hilarious considering they're calling Bernie a "sellout to the establishment and a commie", but they're literally backing Trump who IS the establishment right now and gives corporate handouts to Wall Street like how he rightfully criticized Hillary for. I don't know for certain, but it definitely seems like many of them want to make people turn away from Bernie so Trump will win again and we can have 4 more years of Bank deregulations and tax cuts for the 1%. Trump supporters bash on Hillary to no end, but I bet they miss her because she is the perfect terrible enemy to align the right behind whereas Bernie actually attracts countless right-wingers who actually see through Trump's close establishment ties behind his fake populist rhetoric.
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+Adahn5 - Seems to me you're more interesting in just opposing anything Bernie does no matter what it might be. There's also someone else who does that as well, I believe it's called "The Establishment". Which is likely why you're bringing up some vote he made about Yugoslavia 20 years ago. But if you actually do your homework and not just cherry pick some comment someone made, Bernie has stated his stance on this and it is "The decision to bomb Serbia was a complex one, and Bernie ultimately voted to take action to prevent further genocide." Also, you're completely ignoring the fact that Bernie has opposed NATO expansion so your argument is flimsy at best and just goes to show another reason why you're unnecessarily biased against him. His record is near flawless and you're finding any excuse possible to smear him.
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+Vegan - What the fuck are you talking about? Bernie is fighting tooth and nail right now to try to remove the superdelegates from the Democratic Party. Sorry if you're waiting for him to start tweeting about how he's mad that the election was rigged against him, but instead he's actually doing shit that extremely matters.
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+Twirlip Of The Mists - Sanders is too busy fighting Disney atm to care about what Jimmy's ego thinks. He's literally unionizing Disney workers right now because the employees work for one of the largest companies in the world and are forced to live off social benefits because their wages are so low. Wtf is Jimmy Dore doing right now? Bitching about how Bernie won't come on his show and all but smearing him for it.
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Not just that but Trump has also beat Obama's record for the amount of jobs outsourced by about 10,000 more. So much for appealing to the Rust Belt.
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It saddens me to see a notable progressive like Jimmy Dore who lead the Bernie or Bust movement is now sowing doubt in people's minds about THE anti-establishment candidate all because he's butthurt Bernie "won't come on the Jimmy Dore show" and then he claims he "doesn't come on progressive channels" as Bernie just did an interview with Jimmy Dore show's parent company like last week. Unfortunately, there are countless right-wing Dore fans claiming they're "voting for Trump" and clearly being tone deaf in their decision making considering Trump is the ultimate establishment politician now and Bernie is THE anti-establishment politician who started this anti-establishment revolution happening now. Wtf kind of mental gymnastics is that that you think Trump is the solution and Bernie is "pro-establishment"? You're all fucking insane or utterly misinformed if you seriously think that.
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The people replying to you really shows just how off the deep end Dore fans have plunged that they're now smearing THE anti-establishment candidate. Isn't it bad enough that the establishment on both Fox News AND CNN constantly send out propaganda smearing Bernie no matter what he does, but now Dore is bashing him because he's butthurt he won't come on his show and his followers are saying dumb cunt shit like "he's the lesser of two evils". Realllyyyyy? What the fuck is your idea of someone who isn't evil then? I seriously want to know. This will be entertaining.
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Chris Hedges is a terrible candidate. He's a fucking minister. He'd be like America's first pope president. And Cornel West is going to be too busy campaigning for Bernie again and trying to convince minorities that Bernie has their best interests at heart while the corporate Dems just want to use their votes and then fuck them after. Do you remember how hard Cornel West was campaigning for Bernie the first time around? He was doing interviews on every channel he could get on trying to convince people Bernie was the real civil rights candidate and Shillary was a fraud.
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+Prodesu - Yeah I couldn't agree with you more. Bernie's policies are rock solid and the hallow criticism of him is coming from mainly the right-wing section of Dore's followers who are so obsessed with rank tribalism and partisan hackery that they just instantly swat away the idea of Bernie if he runs as a Democrat (which is arguably his best chance to win if you consider how Trump took the RNC) and most people just ignore the fact that he already ran on the Dem ticket in 2016 so wtf has changed really? I doubt many of the responders were even Berners to begin with. They say silly things like "Bernie is a sellout to the establishment" and then 2 seconds later claim "Bernie is a commie". Which one is it? He definitely can't be BOTH you simpletons.
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Jimmy Dore shitting on Bernie again because he won't come on his show. That's really classy Jimmy and a really valid reason to take shots at Bernie. You guys are stumbling over yourselves coming up for reasons to not vote Bernie. Half the time Jimmy praises Bernie to no end but I constantly see him bash Bernie because "He won't come on the show. Why won't he come on a progressive channel". He goes on other progressive channels all the time dude. Maybe he just doesn't really know who you are, but now you're seriously saying you wish he wouldn't run? You've gone insane Jimmy. Bernie is the best candidate out there for President in 2020 to really go after the establishment and you're not going to back the anti-establishment candidate who has BY FAR the best chances? This is ridiculous.
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+FUCK GOOGLE - Stop with your fake outrage. We can all see through it. Bernie literally does interviews with Jimmy Dore Show's parent company all the time, but you want to berate him for not going on a specific show within the network? You ever think he's trying to spread his message more by going on other networks while he still can before they do a media blackout of him again for 2020. And maybe he just doesn't really care much about Dore's "Why don't you start your own party?" crap. Bernie has stated his opinion about this numerous times and you can find several explanations going all the way back to 2015 on how he thinks running as a 3rd party candidate is even more rigged and how he doesn't want the responsibility of being the reason for splitting the leftist vote so a neocon wins the election. Jimmy doesn't want to accept this as an answer and continually just berates Bernie over this even though Bernie has already answered his question several times in the past. It's just getting tedious and annoying at this point.
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+charlie matthew - "Hillbot"? He didn't even say Hillary's name once. Also, if you were realistically with "the Working Class", you would be in Bernie's corner. Or remind me, is Trump the one traveling the country right now unionizing workers? No, I believe Trump is the one giving corporate welfare out to the large corporations that prey on the Working Class and make their lives absolute shit. Bernie was just at Disney headquarters trying to unionize its workers so they can start demanding a living wage considering nearly 60% of Disney employees don't make enough to pay for basic needs. The company's profits have increased by 98% since 2007, while its worker's wages have decreased on average by 15%. If you're truly "with the Working Class" as you claim, you would support these actions, but as of right now, it just looks like you're a hack.
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+John Smith - Actually, I'm probably with Jimmy Cotreau on that. If Bernie doesn't win the Dem primary, it essentially means that the Democratic establishment all but killed Democracy because I think we all know Bernie is the most popular candidate to win and the only way the DNC is going to silence him is by seriously rigging the election to an almost comical level and a point where there will be riots in the streets. If a corporatist like Kamala Harris or Biden "wins", it means the Dems massively fucked its base over and they don't deserve anyone's vote. And if that all seriously happens, I'll likely be voting 3rd party as well out of principle. I mean it all depends on how screwed up the DNC acts in the primary, but they refuse to stop cheating and refuse to learn their lesson about not fucking over their leftist base. I only had one foot in the door during the last Bernie or Bust movement, but if the Dems do the same thing again, I'll have no choice but to go full Bernie or Bust. It just means the DNC doesn't give a fuck about democracy, it's voters, and only cares about it's precious establishment, money and desperately holding onto its fading power.
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+Johnny Pastrana - The establishment thanks you for your service kind sir. Keep spreading your misinformed and untrue smears about Bernie. It lines up right with what The Hill and Politico are saying about Bernie Sanders nowadays. How does it feel to be the establishment's bitch?
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+Orion Han - He's never going to have "pull among the Democrats". At least not until we force all the corporate Dems out of office and the worst ones to jail like Joe Manchin and Diane Feinstein. The Dem establishment is for half assed measures, while Bernie is doing what's best for the people. It still doesn't mean you shouldn't fight for him. Imagine if he was president and the MSM had no choice but the focus on every word Bernie said? People would legitimately wake up about our government and the wars our military pushes overseas. It would be the biggest fucking red pill this country has ever known and would be the establishment and MSM's absolute worst nightmare having people actually thinking about their corruption. It would be the MAGA people chanting about draining swamps TIMES 100 because Bernie actually has policy and takes actions to back up his anti-establishment rhetoric.
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Not this again. Right-wingers like you always force me to have to defend TYT since all the crap you say about them is fundamentally wrong. Whether you're claiming they're "pro-establishment" or because they committed genocide against Armenians. I'm tired of this crap I don't even watch TYT. How is it a channel that backs anti-establishment candidates, founded Justice Democrats to purge the Democratic party of corporate corrupt Democrats, vehemently backs progressive policies such as Medicare for All, free public college, unionizing workers, taxing the 1%, and so on and so forth, how is it that they are "hardly progressive". Reporting on Trump's supposed crimes is not enough of a reason to claim they are not progressive. You're acting fucking silly, but I'm not sure what I expected. As for the Bernie being "a sheepdog" line, I don't even care, you can stay ignorant. Bernie said in 2015 that if he lost he would endorse the front-runner and if he 'betrayed you' in your eyes, then you're a fool because it just means you didn't do your homework but whatever.
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+Hans Jorgen Furfjord - Do you have anything of substance to say about Bernie and why you're claiming he's a "fraud"? Or are you just going to take the route of "jdjewellpa" and just make baseless claims about clearly the most honest politician in the country. Just calling him a "fraud" and claiming "it's easy to prove" is not a real position, and I'm not totally going to be surprised if you end up using the neocon and neoliberal talking points "Bernie has 3 houses", "Bernie has a $600 winter coat", "Bernie's wife was under investigation by the FBI", ya know since the deep state is so trustworthy to you guys. At least some right-leaning Dore viewers have enough intellect to actually attack the actual policies of Bernie or try to bring up Yugoslavia as an example of his foreign policy when, in actuality, they're ripping it out of context and not telling you it was a hard decision and a philosophical dispute of weighing a decision between the mentalities of "Never again war" vs "Never again Auschwitz" considering there was a nation-wide genocide going on in Serbia and ethnic cleansing being done by Yugoslavia. The truth is there are some real criticism to have towards Bernie and many people on the left recognize them, but you and others only ever bring up the most ridiculous talking points and essentially just stick to the simple response of calling him a "fraud" for having "3 houses", which isn't even true and doesn't even matter.
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+TA 72 - 1983: Bernie opposed Reagan's war against Nicaragua, said it was "illegal and immoral" and strongly opposed funding the Contras. 1990: Opposed and voted NO on all-out war against Iraq and Saddam Hussein in Kuwait in 1st Gulf War. - At the time stated: "I was not only opposed to the war because of the potential destruction and loss of life, but also because I believe it IS possible for the major countries of this planet, and a virtually united world community, to resolve crises without carnage. If this matter could not be solved without massive bombing & killing thousands of people, then what crisis could ever be solved peacefully?" 2003: Opposed Iraq war, voted NO on authorizing military force, voted NO on approving removal of Saddam Hussein and voted YES every single time on pulling troops out of Iraq. 2006: Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. 2007: Voted NO on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. - At the time stated: "I will oppose the Kyl-Lieberman amendment for one simple reason: this administration cannot be trusted. I fear that this President might use the designation of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist entity as a pretext to use force against Iran as he sees fit." 2015: Supported bettering relations with Cuba and the removal of Cuba on the US's list of "nations sponsoring terrorism". 2015: Stated that the US should not be leading the fight against ISIS and that the Muslim States need to lead the efforts against the "barbaric organization", but stated "we cannot and we should not be involved in perpetual warfare in the Middle East". 2017: Voted NO on putting sanctions on Iran and Russia, which resulted in breaking the US's side of the Iran Deal by adding sanctions that it promised to not invoke. 2018: Opposed pulling out of the Iran Deal, which could possibly lead to regime change in Iran. Today: Bernie is heading legislation with Rand Paul to take back control of US power to dictate war away from the president and give it back to Congress and is in favor of auditing the Pentagon and military industrial complex.
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+TA 72 - Jesus christ man. AUMF was UNANIMOUS. Nobody voted against capturing Osama bin Laden after 9/11 and if Bernie had, you would be calling him "weak". Then you're straight up lying about the Libya and Syria intervention. Bernie opposed both of those wars, said we should take a conservative stance and use the tax payer money on our own American citizens. They weren't even up to him! Both of those were instances where Obama (and last year Trump) circumvented Congress and declared war without congressional approval. Bernie has been strongly opposed to any actions like this and it's why he's in Congress this past week grilling generals and trying to take the power away from the president so they can't dictate war without Congress's approval anymore. This is literally what he said: “I think one of the things many people are upset about is this war took place without consultation of the Congress, without debate within the Congress. Look, everybody understands Gaddafi is a thug and murderer, but I think in the midst of two wars, I’m not quite sure we need a third war.” The only one you're being halfway truthful about is Serbia, and with that one you're just completely dragging it out of context as usual. Also, did you see my above post about Serbia/Yugoslavia? Yugoslavia invaded Serbia and was executing innocents in mass, performing ethnic cleansing and it was a full-on genocide. Bernie has stated it was a hard decision between the two philosophies of "Never again War" vs "Never Again Auschwitz", but in the end he made the decision to end further genocide. Bernie has been opposed to and voted against NATO expansion and pulling troops away from the Russian borders so that contradicts the image you're trying to paint of him being an interventionist. Bernie has always favored using diplomacy and economic pressure as a primary tool over interventionism, so pretty much the few examples you gave are either total bullshit or mostly bullshit.
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+Pink Army - It's hard to disagree with you when you compliment me like that ya know. And music is my Achilles heel. I suppose your right though, I might've been putting too much emotion into my analysis of Jimmy. I just really don't want to see him go down the path as people like Dave Rubin if that's even possible. Also, I have to admit I can't take all the credit for what I said before. I got some of those points from Kyle Kulinski such as how the 3rd party candidates aren't even allowed on the ballots in some states, which is why our 2 party system is rigged no matter how you run. He's been pretty on-point with his interpretations of the whole issue in my opinion.
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Dude just stop with your rank tribalism and partisan hackery. If you had real principles, you would vote for the most populist candidate who is best going to help working class Americans. That is Bernie. His policies haven't changed the only thing that's changed is that people like you are calling him "a distraction" as if it means something. Who is your candidate instead? Seriously I want to know?
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