Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "" video.

  1. They literally got PayGo removed by leveraging the vote for Pelosi. How is that sitting on their hands?
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  2. Why did they put effort towards removing PayGo then? Seems like an actual thing they fought for and achieved. The commentary on this topic is so incredibly dumb & reactionary.
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  3. Because it literally wouldn't have worked & left Medicare for All dead-on-arrival. How is that not defective? Then the idea that it would somehow culturally shift politics by putting politicians on the record to vote against it is an enormous assumption that's not backed up by any real evidence. The same can be said for making an assumption that leaving Medicare for All dead-on-arrival would lead to a decline in popularity for it making average people think it was a defeated bill (at least this assumption is based on history and what normally happens when a bill is defeated before it can even get started). Is this not a valid argument to you or are you just ignoring the logic here? The thing is that if politicians enacted Force the Vote exactly as proposed, Medicare for All would have 100% been defeated & dead-on-arrival, while PayGo would've then halted it from ever being voted on again in the next 2 years. Instead, progressives leveraged their vote for Pelosi to get PayGo removed, which technically puts you in a much better position for fighting for it in the future. In comparison, FTV gives you a sort of maybe chance that there might be more energy around M4A in the future & help progressives in the midterm elections 2 years from now (not an actual thing that advances M4A legislatively whatsoever if you actually look at it objectively).
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  4.  @Monkeybongoes  They got PayGo removed & squeezed out numerous committee positions. I think there were 4 or something positions they got just on the congressional budget committee alone. People are seriously under-valuing what they took from the Speaker vote. From a solely objective perspective, progressives are in a much better position now than they've ever been in my lifetime, & this is only with a hand full of them in Congress still despite having their numbers slightly grow every election. The issue with FTV that you're avoiding is that they simply didn't agree that the strategy would be effective. People like to act like they didn't push for a floor vote because they're kowtowing to power or some baseless claim, but they've made it painfully clear they didn't think FTV was a good use of political capital whereas killing PayGo & fighting for key committee positions would've been a better use of securing power & allowing for a better foothold to fight for a left-wing policy platform for the next 2-4 years (not just for one vote, but for all votes on left-wing priorities). Now, you can disagree with them on that strategy, that's fair, but when people act like it's because they're sold out, that's just pure nonsense & conjecture (I'm not saying that's what you're doing, just that it's something being said by leftists that were obsessed with Force the Vote & wouldn't be happy with anything less than political perfection - a concept that never existed in the first place especially in America).
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  5. They removed Paygo, an actual obstacle in the way of Medicare for All, GND, & basically every left-wing priority. That's not "all talk". You can try to claim it's not enough, but claiming they're doing nothing is just objectively false.
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  6. If it's dead among Congress progressives, then why did they put all their effort to getting PayGo removed & stopping it from restricting Medicare for All and all left-wing priorities. The logic being used here makes no sense unless you're just simply going to close your eyes & ears and ignore that fact.
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  7. Believe what? The fact that they leveraged Pelosi's vote to get PayGo removed seems like insurmountable evidence that they're at the very least fighting in their own way for Medicare for All. You can ignore or reject that truth, but you're just simply wrong.
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  8.  @heidibenner1577  As I said, how is leveraging Pelosi's vote to remove PayGo & remove a crippling restriction from left-wing policies not considered even a tiny amount of "fighting" from you. You can claim it's not enough, but saying that it's nothing is simply just wrong.
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  9. The idea of putting political capital towards primarying people who already agree on policy & will vote the right way is incredibly idiotic.
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