Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Mueller Indicts 12 Russían Intelligence Officers For Hacking DNC" video.

Yeah pretty much. I agree with Kyle on 99.9% of things, but he's dead wrong on this especially his insinuation that Russia is somehow 'harmless' and they're our friends. They tried hacking into the state election boards, which is the real news of this story and Kyle just completely glossed over it to talk about the DNC leaks to embolden his argument that the Russia narrative is a hoax. You can debate the fact on whether Trump is connected to this story and it's a fair debate, but to claim that Russia is harmless is just ridiculous considering they're just as powerful as the US and have just as big of a history of fuckery around the world as the US and Russia's democracy is even more broken than the United States' so this idea that US is the only horrible government in the world is silly. Russia and the US's government are both equal problems on the global scale. It annoys me to see people have a blind spot for Russia when they clearly are just as, if not more corrupt than the US's government and oligarchy.
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So now you just sound like one of those people that decides nothing means anything anymore and nobody in the government can be trusted and any evidence they may have behind the indictment apparently can't be trusted because it comes from them. You realize this is exactly how Trump operates by delegitimizing the entire media and claiming nothing can be trusted from anyone even if they prove for a fact he's broken the law like obstruction of justice or the emoluments clause. Mueller and Rosenstein have been lifelong Republicans, it would be foolish to just think any evidence that comes from their investigation is fake and nonsense. Then you're just in the same category as Trump supporters.
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Yes, let's strawman anyone as warmongers if they even slightly don't want Russia breaking into our already flawed elections. You realize people can advocate for diplomacy while simultaneously being strong against other superpowers that want to hurt our democracy. But no you just want to pretend like everyone that wants to protect the vote is somehow that guy on MSNBC saying Trump is a 'double agent' or some stupid shit.
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You're all focusing on the wrong shit. We shouldn't even be focused on Trump/Putin connections from this story. It has to do with the fact that the Russian cyber attacks were more severe than we all thought especially those of us that had doubts about the whole thing entirely. They hacked into the state election boards. Whether that has anything to do with Trump is an entirely different topic, but we should all be focused on the fact of the matter that Russia was trying to hack into the vote directly, not the DNC leaks or the retarded Trump speech where he's looking at the camera and talking to Russia.
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Oh my god someone whose actually making sense. EXACTLY. I don't give a shit about the DNC hacks and that's all Kyle talked about in this video. The hacking of the state election boards was the real problem and he barely mentioned it. He quickly sped past it at the beginning and pretended like the DNC leaks were the real news. No, the state election boards is the real issue here people.
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+Super Bro - To be fair that list should be 10x longer consider the US's list is 20x longer on Wikileaks. They're both corrupt, but that kinda proves the bias altogether.
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+Super Bro - Russia doesn't even have real democracy and has killed many journalists in protecting their oligarchy so the idea that there are just a handful of leaks on Russia is kind of comical.
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+I KNOW I'm cynical - I agree Trump is more than likely not a Russian agent, working with Russia, or doing their bidding. I would say the extent of his corruption doesn't surpass the corruption we see between Trump and Saudi Arabia or Trump and Israel. However, that corruption is pretty damning between those other countries, so who knows just how much corruption is there. At the very least, I do not think it could be more than his ties to Saudi Arabia. I mean, Trump started 8 businesses (shell companies) in Saudi Arabia before the election and nobody ever talks about that.
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+Conbin Spark - "+Francesco"s first post didn't even say anything about "Trump", he was just saying that Russia is far more capable of international fuckery than you or Kyle are giving them credit for. I agree with Kyle on 99.5% of issues, but he's wrong on this in claiming that Russia are 'harmless' and we should just keep letting them hack our gov't organizations and ELECTION BOARDS, which he completely glossed over for some odd reason.
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Man, I don't think I've ever downvoted a Secular Talk video before in my life. I watch all your videos every day Kyle, but this video just came off as completely biased though. I mean, you're focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and I can't tell if you know that or not. No one really cares that the DNC hacks were released, nearly everyone was glad that happened if you were a Bernie supporter, but it was HOW they got it that was the real problem and what else they did. They tried hacking into our state election boards and other government agencies that could've literally messed with the vote if they had succeeded. We know this as a fact now and it makes sense. In addition, I would hope that Russia would arrest American NSA agents in their country if they were fucking with Russian elections (even though Putin already determines the elections) because fuck the NSA, it would serve them right. The same should happen for when Russian "NSA" agents do the same in our country. It would be fine if they were just doing it to get the DNC leaks, but that's not ALL they were after and you Know it isn't. You're pretending as if that's the only issue here and it's not even the most important issue out of these indictments. Also, you sound really biased on the issue because you apparently believe in coincidence when the cyber attacks happened the day after Trump's idiotic speech, but then you don't believe in coincidence when these indictments were released 3 days before Trump met with Putin. C'mon man, you just sound like your trying really hard to believe that the deep state is the bad guy and Russia are the good guys or something. In my opinion, they were both coincidences. Trump's an idiot and likely didn't ask Russia to do shit on TV, but then these Mueller indictments weren't planned out either considering there have been something like 100 indictments so far and Trump's met with Putin a few times. You can't just claim coincidence doesn't exist for one of those things and then claim it does for another. You admitted that Russia indeed hacked us, but then continued to feign ignorance at the real issue that they tried to hack into our election boards and fuck with the vote if they had succeeded. Sounds to me you want to admit the truth about the hacking, but then do mental gymnastics to enable you to continue with this narrative that Russia are somehow harmless and the deep state want war with Russia, which to me, seems like a red herring considering WW3 realistically is ridiculously far from a possibility in this modern age.
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+I KNOW I'm cynical - Oh yes, the "deep state" can't be trusted and likely made up the whole thing and then a judge and grand jury easily fell for the giant ruse. The idea probably came from a 500 pound man's fever dream when coming down from a quadruple dose of mescalin. Trump is so much more trustworthy considering he clearly has no conflict of interests on the matter and has never obstructed justice in the first place.
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+Aaron Loyd - It's not JUST the DNC leak, which is the only thing Kyle is talking about in this video. It was the state election boards that were hacked into that is the real concern. If it were just the DNC leaks it would not be an issue as Kyle is framing it as, but the Russians were clearly trying to hack directly into the vote. That is the real problem guy.
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If they filed indictments it means they have sufficient proof to pursue legal action and get a conviction. You can debate the fact on whether their indictments will stick, but to claim there is no proof at all is the same as claiming that you have no confidence in the slightest of our judicial branch.
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You're focusing on entirely the wrong thing. It's the state election boards being hacked into that is the real story. Nobody gives a shit about the DNC leaks, we already knew that was Russia and now we know for sure. It is the severity of their cyber attack that is the real breaking news about this considering no one really knew the extent to which they got into the election boards. You completely flew past that at the beginning and just focused on an old topic for roughly 20 minutes. I watch your show every day Kyle, but you sound completely biased on this topic.
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+ditsylilg - Yeah it seemed to me that a lot of these Russian indictments are being used because Trump is waging a war on truth and Mueller is trying to battle it by strategically indicting the suspects in the case so that once or if he gets to Trump's family (like Kushner) or Trump himself, then the sheer number of indictments and evidence behind the entire investigation will dwarf Trump's tactics of delegitimizing the media and anyone who opposes him. It's actually pretty clever and a really smart way to battle Trump's damaging rhetoric against the case.
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I don't know if I'd call him a traitor, but he's definitely corrupt enough to be put in prison for several lifetimes. We should use South Korea and their last president as an example for what to do with ours.
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The FBI gave bad intel on the WMDs but it was the executive branch (same branch that Trump runs), where Bush exploited the fear surrounding 9/11, the bad intel given by the FBI and lied to the American people so he could DECLARE WAR (an illegal war) on a country we had no business attacking even if they had poorly manufactured WMDs. Mueller never told him what to do with the intel and the largest intelligence agencies were not even in agreement of the intel as they are now with the Russian interference conclusion. So your logic is based upon the idea that we should trust Trump (the executive branch) over the intelligence agencies and the special council who operates within the judicial branch because of historical events where the executive branch had deceived the American people and started an illegal war compared to the intelligence agencies who gave bad intel likely out of negligence. Also, Bush should've never declared war based on the intel when there were conflicting reports and intel coming from different organizations, but to be fair, he should've never declared war no matter what.
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+fat imo - I'm a software developer. What is your point? Why do people need to "know how servers or uploading/sending files work"? It's pretty straight forward once you breach a system. Do YOU know how cyber attacks work?
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Yeah they also tried to hack directly into the vote by doing cyber attacks on the state election boards. Should we thank them for that one too?
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+Bhopolatebhipbookie - "so the dnc literally rigging elections is cool??" This is the generic model for people's argument against this story. Mueller indicts 12 people with apparently enough evidence to have a judge warrant the indictments and people's reactions are that they either claim there must be "no evidence" with absolutely no proof in saying as much or they have a knee jerk reaction with Whataboutism like strawmanning someone that they must think the dnc rigging elections is "cool". Even Kyle did it in this video to a limited extent and I agree with Kyle on nearly every issue, but he battered on the DNC leaks whereas this story should've been geared towards the fact that people were indicted for doing cyber attacks directly against the state election boards. You can disagree with the results of what happened, but it's ridiculous to think that Russians hacking into the election boards is somehow totally fine and 'harmless' as Kyle made it seem and it especially is not "cool" to strawman someone else who actually thinks Russian agents should not be allowed to do cyber attacks directly on our vote in a presidential election. C'mon people, I can't believe this is the discussion we're having on whether or not a foreign government hacking into our vote is somehow harmless or actually destructive to our democracy.
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+Narmy Hiiragi - Claiming someone wants war with Russia because they prefer them to not hack into our state election boards is such a strawman argument.
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It's really baffling to me that everyone here is just pretending like Russian spies is a completely normal thing that is an entirely generic profession as someone whose say a Butcher or a Construction worker. "Well, the mafia's job is to extort businesses, what are you supposed to do about it, Arrest them or soemthing??" International espionage is not a normal thing people and I would hope to god that Russia would arrest American NSA agents hacking into the Kremlin. It would serve them right because fuck the NSA just like fuck the KGB (FSB).
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+boggisthecat - What the fuck? Are you insane? Hacking into state election boards and messing with the vote directly (which is what they were trying to accomplish) is NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR. As I said earlier, if Russia state police found NSA agents trying to rig their election process I would HOPE that Russia would convict them because FUCK THEM, they shouldn't be doing that. It's all fueled by corrupt behavior and trying to argue that "oh it's just this normal thing" is beyond fucking ridiculous. Are you trolling me? Because I seriously can't tell.
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+Ryan Borger - And America SHOULDN'T be doing that. None of it should be NORMAL to anyone. I have never supported the US's barbaric foreign policy surrounding interventionism however you're apparently advocating for it saying it's "normal" and seem totally fine with it. The fuck is wrong with you people, it's not okay when the US does it and it's not okay when Russia does it. It's that fucking simple.
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How about this, both the Russians and the DNC should be held accountable for their corruption and international espionage/crimes instead of just focusing on one or the other. Have people decided that only one of those options can be punished?
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+Kilian Stopler +I KNOW I'm cynical - You're both just in the camp of people claiming that nothing matters anymore. No one can be trusted. Apparently Trump's word is trusted on equal ground as all US intelligence agencies who actually make a case of the whole thing and have a 29 page write-up on the indictments that give vast detail about the Russian subterfuge operations that were used to hack into the DNC and much more importantly how they tried to gain access to certain state election boards in swing states. I'm in the same boat as Kyle when it comes to the DNC hack. I don't care about it, but the problem is that they tried to hack directly into the vote in swing states that can completely determine the election. You are fools if you're Americans that want to just claim none of this matters and nothing should be done about it such as securing the vote in future elections, a precedent that Trump, the president of the US, has absolutely no desire for.
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+Nicholas Connor - Okay but you're ignoring the idea that rule of law still exists in this country. Trump can do all the fucked up shit he does in the government because he's president and is head of the executive branch, but to claim that everyone is so corrupt in the judicial branch that the judges who approved the indictments are somehow just as corrupt as Mueller that they would make up fake evidence to back the indictments is utterly absurd. That is basically what you're arguing for. The judicial branch in our country is likely the least corrupt branch out of all 3 and you're talking about people who swore on oath to uphold the constitution and rule of law in this country. Those are the people you're claiming would just make up fake evidence and back some type of giant conspiracy. I'm sorry, but that's fucking ridiculous and you're basically operating on the brainwaves of a Trump supporter now if you think you can't trust any evidence from anyone anymore. You might as well just start letting all the murderers out of prison right now because they were convicted after the 2016 election when you decided evidence couldn't be trusted anymore. C'mon man stop being an idiot.
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+Nathan Fielure - The indictments are brought before a judge and a Grand Jury, yes the grand jury are the ones that determine if the case has merits upon evidence provided, but it is also the judge that determines a lot of variables in the cases as well. They oversea the indictments, an example being how Paul Manafort has continuously been refused by the judge in his case when his law team has tried to get some of his charges dropped. They determine the variables of the case and if the person will be given bail, the severity of their charges, etc. The thing is that our judicial system HAS checks and balances unlike the executive branch, which Trump has continuously made a mockery of and usually the only thing keeping him in line IS the judicial branch. The fact that a grand jury is used instead of just a judge should bolster my side of the argument even more proving that our system is more complicated and organized than how you're trying to present it as this simple thing that is only "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE" as you said. If they have an indictment, it means they must have had sufficient evidence to convince a grand jury and if the case was some kind of farce as you're trying to claim, there's no doubt that a sane judge would've thrown out the case especially if they had suspicion that the evidence was faked as many people are insinuating. They have far more power than you're giving them credit for to dismiss a case. This argument is beyond silly and I'm sure any law expert could make a far better case than I when it comes to explaining just as ludicrous the idea is that indictments could be faked due to some master conspiracy.
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South Korea had the right idea for sure. They locked up their president for corruption and gave her a pretty hefty sentence as a way to dissuade future presidents and politicians from participating in massive amounts of corruption. That is Exactly what we NEED in this corrupt oligarchy of a country.
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+Bobbie Howze - According to these guys, we might as well just free every person convicted of homicide after the 2016 election since we apparently can't trust anything from our judicial branch anymore.
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That would be fine if it was just the DNC leaks, but it WASN'T. They were doing cyber attacks against our state election boards, a fact that Kyle completely sped past in the beginning and focused on the DNC leaks for 20 minutes, an issue we've already covered in the past countless times. It's the ELECTION BOARDS that is the real news people.
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+Kilian Stopler - Stop strawmanning me. I never said I was okay with ANY type of election meddling or voter suppression. None of it should be okay, and I've made the case several times that both the DNC's rigging of their primary and the cyber attacks against the election boards in swing states should be investigated to protect against future interference. However, it appears you're the person who wants to turn your back on one of those things and pretend that it never happened because you're too lazy to read their 29 page write-up on the Russian operations that were trying to break into the election boards and then just screaming "no evidence" when there clearly is more than enough for a judge and grand jury to warrant the 12 indictments. It was not just Mueller deciding all this shit, he operates based on checks and balances that you clearly have 0 faith in even though our judicial branch of government is the least corrupt branch in government.
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