Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "SHOCK: Progressives HOLD THE LINE Against Corporatists On $3.5T Bill!" video.

& shame on leftists who refuse to even acknowledge this and instead spend their 7th day in a row talking about a gala dress that has no impact on anything. If you want them to continue to leverage their power in the future, we gotta encourage them now while they're doing the right things.
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Exactly. It's really simple: I'll support them as long as they go into these battles fighting and holding the line. If they don't, then they deserve criticism. I also feel strongly about this bill too. My family members on Medicare just spent $7,000 on hearing aids this past month & overall pay way too much every month even though Medicare should be a gold standard for insurance. The $3.5 Trillion bill is going to cover way more for Medicare patients and childcare recipients, so I'm glad this bill is the one they finally put their foot down over. If they gotta tank both bills just to get their point across to the corporatists, then I say there's no better time since the bipartisan bill is garbage anyways.
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@Silkcats "of course they know the whole thing is going to tank at the end so they have nothing to loose by again acting like they are doing "the right thing"" - If both of the bills tank, then that means they held the line & shows the corporatists they mean business. You sound like you don't even know the basics of the issue and are just scolding them using tired talking points. Stop fishing for reasons to bitch and moan, because the truth is what they're doing now is correct & the thing that the online Left & the Force the Vote crowd (some of the biggest critics of them today) have been begging them to do for months. Take yes for an answer and back them when they do the right things so they hopefully take this hardball approach all the time from now on. Is that not something you want? Because if it isn't, it's hard to believe you're a leftist or care about the issues even slightly beyond foolish Twitter tribalism.
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I think it matters even more depending on what the corporate Dems try to remove from the $3.5 bill if they try to compromise. If it's $2 Trillion but it still holds almost all the Medicare and childcare provisions, then it's likely still worth it to vote for. If it's $3 Trillion, but they remove all the great provisions, then I'm not sure if it'd be worth it anymore.
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@DreamStepper Yeah, I agree there's a direct correlation, but in terms of what takes priority, in theory, I would still choose the provisions for Medicare, childcare and taxes on the wealthy over the actual dollar amount of the bill.
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If you spend all your time as a politician looking out for the interests of lobbyists and corporate backed policies, then how the fuck are you NOT a corporate extremist? Mainstream propaganda is the only reason why people aren't painfully aware of this.
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@ravendarkjolls4028 Whose celebrating? I said we need to encourage this behavior so they continue to play hardball in the future, or at the very least acknowledge what they're doing & holding the line because some "leftists" refuse to do even that much.
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@DaemonJax I think you misunderstood @Sula Moon & the meaning of their comment. They were responding to someone saying it would be bad if progressives caused both bills to tank, but @Sula Moon was saying if we don't get the $3.5 Trillion bill, it doesn't matter if the bipartisan bill gets sunk because the bipartisan bill has so many provisions that privatize parts of the infrastructure and are a bunch of pro-corporate trash. This is why it's partly good that progressives are holding the line even if the bipartisan bill gets tanked and we end up with nothing. & yeah, people like Jimmy Dore and others like him probably will attack House progressives if both bills get tanked and say "it was all performative anyways & they never get anything done" (which is dumb and lacks any real context of the situation) but I'm pretty sure @Sula Moon's point was more in line with why it's okay if both bills get tanked, because if the $3.5 T bill isn't passed, then none of it matters anyways due to how shitty the bipartisan bill is by itself.
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@YouCanNOTvoteOutFascism I understood what you were saying. The bipartisan bill is trash on it's own so if we can't get the $3.5 bill passed then none of it matters anyways. I agree with you. It's my opinion, that the Left only loses this fight if enough members of the Progressive Caucus (many of them not even progressives) end up compromising on a bill that's lower than ~$2 Trillion and loses a lot of the great Medicare and childcare provisions. If we end up having to hold out till the very end & tank the bipartisan because they won't give us, at the very least, a fair compromise, then fuck em, at least they'll know the Left flank is serious in future disputes. Seems like @Anthony just misunderstood what you were trying to say.
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I think they know that too, which is why they're perfectly okay with torpedoing the pathetic "bipartisan" deal. When it came to holding the line on relief packages, those were a bit more complicated, because tanking those would mean, unemployment benefits would end, the moratorium would run out, & it would have real-world consequences for workers like people getting evicted. In this scenario though, a measly 1 Trillion for infrastructure is nothing compared to what is actually needed to fix our infrastructure (not to mention the Medicare, childcare provisions are already far more important than 1 Trillion towards infrastructure in terms of benefits for the working class).
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Every Leftist should be supporting and encouraging what they're doing. They're actually "using their leverage" for a potentially game changing bill (something we want them to continue to do), but you still have holdouts on the Left spending their time outraging over a gala dress than talking about this bill that could change lives.
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