Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Krystal Ball Questions Andrew Yang's 3rd Party To His Face" video.

"practical solution-based unity" - What the hell does that even mean? You realize that the Republicans aren't even close to some "practical" group to begin with
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I think contradiction is probably the wrong word for it, but I have no idea why Yang is even advertising what he's doing as a "third party". It's basically just Yang creating his own Justice Democrats (considering you're not going to get a single Republican even if he tried).
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@Delana Taylor Online You're using very vague terms like "extremists in both parties", which I really have no idea what you might be referring to specifically. Nonetheless, the reality is Yang is basically changing the scope of this "third party" to support candidates within either party, but mostly the Democratic Party, so your whole spiel about "siphoning off conservatives and Democrats" isn't even accurate if you consider that Yang will be endorsing and supporting Democrats and maybe Republicans (but not likely).
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@yourerightdawg Republicans main legislation when they had a super-majority was tax cuts for the rich & corporations where 80% of the benefits went to the top 1%. For Biden, it's a spending bill that taxes corporations and the rich back to where it was before Trump, gives working families tax breaks, expands Medicare to include glasses, dentures, and hearing aids, lowers the age of Medicare, gives childcare benefits, & more provisions on education, paid family leave, and more. Yes, the Republicans are really the "practical" ones aka the greedy ones who 100% only care about rich donors.
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@kjhuang That's all in theory, however, even Yang seems to understand this is unrealistic, which is why he's shifted his attention to endorsing candidates in the 2 parties that support his own agenda. Contradiction is the wrong word for it, but I can see why Kyle is confused by Yang's "Forward Party" considering it's incredibly vague what they're even focusing on anymore. To have a functioning 3rd party, you need 50 state ballot access, matching funds, and a number of things that take decades to build upon to even be close to success like the Green Party, especially when 3rd Parties are constantly sabotaged by the system on an even larger scale than the way Democrats sabotage their own leftist members/candidates.
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@threecards333 True, the Libertarian Party is the closest thing conservatives have to a functioning 3rd party. If I was going to give any of them advise on building another party outside the Dems and Reps, I would say the same thing and tell them to put their effort into the Libertarian Party, since it already has things like 50 state ballot access and lands something like 4% of the presidential vote at times. I seriously have no idea why people think it's a good idea to start from scratch & I think people like Yang and others do it because they simply want to have full control over the party's actions rather than any advantage of gaining electoral wins before their hair turns grey.
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Also, I highly doubt running inside the Democratic or Republican parties is going to accomplish this, because as soon as politicians win and become a part of those parties, they have an annoying habit to protect the party and work within its interests. Sure, progressives like the Squad and others vote on good legislation for education, childcare, healthcare, etc, but they still act within the benefit of the party since it's the only way to even gain power within the party. Any Democrat/Republican openly fighting for ranked choice voting is just putting a target on their back since RCV hurts their party since it would lessen the Party's power & the last thing Democratic/Republican leaders want is to break the duopoly.
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@Delana Taylor Online "Yang's model: We The People vs corrupt" Except he's refused to exclaim that there will be any real limitations in his 3rd party (if you can even call it a 3rd party anymore) barring the use of corporate PAC money or ending corporate influence in general. This is another part of Yang's whole thing that gives me pause & questions how effective he will be. He seems to be leaning into the idea that everything will be great if we just get rid of the duopoly and 2 choices between Democrat or Republican, but he completely fails to assess that the reason that these parties are failing in the first place is because of corporate influence & legalized bribery that has caused them to drift away from the needs of the working class. If he doesn't set up limitations to stop corruption in his own group/party, then it will just as easily fall into the same corrupt trap that all politicians that go to Washington fall victim to sooner or later.
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I mean that's basically what Yang is pushing now. I have no idea why he's calling it a "third party", but it's basically just the Yang Justice Democrats with a priority focus on open primaries.
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You know, if all these groups of people pushing for stuff like a "Peoples Party" or Yang's "Third party" were to actually try to bolster and strengthen the Green Party (the closest thing we have to a working third party), I imagine we could actually attain electoral victories.
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So in other words, he's just starting a new Justice Democrats that focuses a little more heavily on open primaries.
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Running inside the Democratic Party means those people Yang's group endorses are then, to some degree, bound to the Party. There's a very low chance they're actually going to work hard to "break"/hurt their party once they're in it. Just look at AOC and Justice Democrats - yeah they vote for progressive legislation, but they've been criticized a lot because too often they will act in the benefit to the Democratic Party (their party), which is unfortunately the only way to attain any power within the Party or even get something as simple as a committee seat.
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@enmac500 "Infiltration can and has worked" - The Justice Democrats are already an example of "party infiltration" & yes they vote on good legislation & push progressive policies, but essentially every Democrat (or Republican) has an annoying habit of protecting their party when they're actually elected into it. The primary thing Justice Dems have gotten criticized for is that they do too much to benefit the party & not enough to take an adversarial position against it & this is even after they've sworn off corporate cash & funding (something I've noticed that Yang hasn't made a requirement for his group). The problem is that when people join the Democratic Party, they're bound to it & that may be fine to push for things like Medicare for All and a specific ideology that's impartial to the interests & health of the Party itself, but when you start pushing for ranked choice voting, that's a policy that actually hurts the Dem (or Rep) party because it lessens their electoral power. You might as well ask Democratic leadership & other party members to support Republican gerrymandering, because you'll likely have the same amount of success getting others on board, if your rare politicians even follow through on their promises at all. I'm not saying it's impossible that a person elected into either Party will not vote for ranked choice voting, but it's going to be incredibly rare to see someone fight for it & especially as a priority issue, when pushing an issue like that, which directly hurts the Party, is going to be the equivalent of putting a target on your back. If you think Justice Democrats have faced adversity when pushing for good legislation, it's going to be hard to imagine the pushback a Democrat would get by vying for a policy that's an active detriment to their own Party and position within that party.
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@enmac500 As I said before, then what you're talking about is basically just the Justice Democrats model, and in that case, I don't know why Yang wouldn't just put his resources towards Justice Democrats or some similar group considering they actually have several electoral wins on the federal level and a growing caucus that the media has dubbed "the squad". In other words, I have no idea why Yang is advertising this as a "third party". I agree with "infiltration" or whatever people wanna call it, but I have a bridge to sell you if you think any elected Democrat or Republican, uncorrupted or otherwise, are going to turn around and fight aggressively for something that actively harms their party & reduces their electoral power. We've seen it time and time again whether it's Justice Democrats or any other group that endorses Left candidates. They do good work on policy from time to time, but once elected, they will no longer hostilely oppose the party.
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@kjhuang I don't know where you're getting your facts from since they're basically common knowledge, but the Green Party does have 50 state ballot access (Yes, at the Presidential level and otherwise) and most of the things a 3rd party needs to even have a tiny chance of success. No, they don't have everything, but they're the closest thing to a functioning 3rd party and it took them over 2 decades to even get that far, which is why starting from scratch is incredibly foolish when there's already the baseline for such a 3rd party in the Greens. If you're going to absolutely go 3rd party, it should be with the Green Party, anything else is just wishful thinking for a party that could potentially have a tiny chance of success in approximately 20 or so years.
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It's going to be very rare to see a Democrat or Republican actually follow through with a campaign promise to fight for ranked choice voting, since once they're in the party, they're bound to it & no longer want to go against political goals that ultimately hurt *their party, which ranked choice voting absolutely does (it lessens their power, especially when its pursued from the Left-flank). He'd have a better chance trying to focus on that goal from the outside using activism or even something as big as amending the Constitution. I hope what he's doing works, but I highly doubt it will do anything.
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@mubaraqadedayo7616 What do you think the word "unity" stands for in that phrase?
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