Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Trump's Impeachment BEGINS (Even Though He's Gone u0026 Already Won The Case)" video.

@Onlinerando Yeah Kyle is being incredibly ignorant here - I assume because he thinks he knows a superior strategy, which clouds his judgement over the issue of impeachment. But the reality is that Trump needs to be held to account if we want to preserve our Democracy in the long run and stop future presidents from trying the same thing that Trump did. There needs to be consequences for armed insurrection otherwise this country really is done for.
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@tonyp114 In terms of setting precedent, it doesn't matter if you get the 2/3rds of senators or not. It needs to be demonstrated & recorded in our history that armed insurrection is not tolerated & that the full penalty for a president is placed on him for his actions. This is not just about taking away his pension, it's about showing to future presidents that insurrection will only end their careers & take away their position as a current or ex president.
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Kyle's entire argument revolves around thinking impeachment is a waste of time and that the only action is by using the 14th Amendment. However, he's never even researched what that process would even look like. When you learn the specifics, you'd understand it would take years & there is even less of a chance that it actually works (the gist of it is that it would ultimately be up to the courts & a 6-3 conservative SCOTUS, not the legislator). https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/12/14th-amendment-insurrection-trump-removal-problems/
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@Ragitsu I mean, virtual signaling is bad when politicians are using it to sell watered down policies or using it in place of real action. The difference here is that the impeachment is a serious issue & deals with setting a precedent for preserving our Democracy in the future. Downplaying the importance of holding Trump to account for an armed insurrection is a huge mistake & irresponsible.
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If Trump gets impeached, it will ensure he can't run for office again & besides that, it's important to be principled & hold him to account for what he's done so other presidents know insurrection is not tolerated & will cause real consequences for them if done again. I don't understand how anyone can call that simply "high minded virtual signaling". The central topic is about preserving our Democracy in the long run.
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Impeaching Trump for instigating an insurrection & a siege of the US Capitol (something literally unheard of in American politics), is not "high minded virtual signaling", it's completely necessary if you're going to hold president's accountable for their actions & if we going to hold onto Democracy in this country for a little while longer.
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Call it virtual signaling or whatever you want, it's still extremely important for holding Trump accountable and setting a precedent to stop future presidents from destroying our Democracy in the future (a more competent president might actually succeed).
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@interdimensionalsteve8172 Not to mention Kyle's alternative "solution" wouldn't even work. The 14th Amendment can't be weaponized like he's claiming & even if Congress passed it into a law to do so (which could take years), the Constitution says a bill of attainder like that can only be then used by the judiciary to pass judgement, not the legislator. In other words it would be up to a 6-3 Conservative Supreme Court.
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@Casual_Stroll The problem is that Kyle never bothered to research the details about using the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment is not an actual law for penalizing insurrectionists, it would have be to be passed into a law that can be used against Trump & that would take years. It likely wouldn't even work though, because any offset bill utilizing wording in the Constitution like that can only be used by the judiciary to pass judgement and guilt onto the president, not the legislator. In other words, it would ultimately be up to a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court, NOT a majority vote in the Senate or Congress. You can read about the issues with it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/12/14th-amendment-insurrection-trump-removal-problems/
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@Ragitsu I think diet coup is more just a term to demean them as idiots. I use that term as well and it's just a way of saying they're so incompetent that they can't even throw anything even resembling a serious coup that would yield any results for them, though that's clearly what their intentions show. Don't read too much into that. Kyle's not trying to downplay the insurrection, he's just being ignorant about the level of importance of impeachment because he's letting his own biases get in the way of his judgement.
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@kormanproductions8943 No they can't. The 14th Amendment is not a law for passing guilt or judgement. If they wanted to utilize it they would need to pass it into a law first (which would take years), but then the Constitution says it could then only be used by the judiciary ultimately aka a 6-3 Conservative Supreme Court. Read about the issue here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/12/14th-amendment-insurrection-trump-removal-problems/
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@Webfra14 The 14th Amendment wouldn't work. They would first need to pass a law to use the 14th Amendment like that (which could take years), and then it would ultimately be up to the courts to pass guilt onto Trump. In other words, it's even less likely to work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/12/14th-amendment-insurrection-trump-removal-problems/
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Yes, at the very least (even if he is not convicted) it needs to be documented with impeachment that he did the unthinkable in America. There needs to be serious & real consequences for Trump otherwise this sets a precedent for future leaders. Call if virtual signaling if you want, but it's necessary for preserving our Democracy in the long run. Kyle's just casually overlooking the implications if impeachment articles are simply ignored by the Senate & not followed through.
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It's also just important to hold him accountable for what he's done with the insurrection. If you want to stop future presidents from trying the same thing & hold onto our Democracy in the long run, it's extremely important to demonstrate there are real & serious consequences for what Trump's done (weasel words or not, everyone knows what he did & that is shouldn't be tolerated).
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@888fluffy It's not. On a historical context, Dems or Republicans have never crossed party lines to vote to impeach their own party's president. Trump will go down as the first who received not just 1, but several Republicans voting to remove him from politics for good. Not to mention, the reason for the impeachment, armed insurrection, has never happened in US history either & based on current polling, a failure to impeach will be viewed as a scar on the Republican party far more than any empowering event for Trump. Don't confuse Trump's 1st impeachment (where they didn't have great reasoning for the trial) with this one resulting from armed insurrection. This impeachment trial is widely viewed as a result of Trump's actions, not because the Dems simply want him out (I mean, he's not even president anymore, so everyone understands this).
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@888fluffy Nah, you're putting way too much weight behind the verdict in this instance. Trump already lost the election & lost bad (to the point where he was instigating an insurrection and acting like a crazy authoritarian). I doubt anyone in the public are viewing Trump as a winner just because he managed to evade a post-election conviction so he could keep his pension & ex-President allowance. I've always seen the impeachment trial as a final nail in the coffin of the Trump era, & I think at this point even the least knowledgeable American understand that impeachment is incredibly hard to pass in the Senate. Again, Trump's already out of office so the idea of impeaching a president to remove him is already a moot point. The overarching fact is that Trump lost & has since already lost his image of being made of teflon, especially after months of throwing a childish tantrum & whining about an unfair election with absolutely no evidence to prove his case in courts or otherwise. The fact that even some members of his own party would vote to convict him is proof of his current weakness & ongoing defeat.
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@darthsyphilis2204 Obviously, but holding a trial & displaying that Trump has crossed a line & the result is an impeachment vote that even some Republicans are (historically) voting for is far better than doing nothing at all. The 14th Amendment thing that Kyle talks about is not a viable alternative - the 14th Amendment cannot be used like he is claiming unless you pass a bill that would allow it to be yielded to pass guilt (a process that could take years) and then even if you pass that bill, the Constitution states it could only be used by the judiciary to pass guilt & judgement onto the president, NOT the legislator. In other words, it would be up to a 6-3 Conservative Supreme Court. So really, what is the better way, I'd love to hear it.
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The accountability argument is true whether he's successfully convicted or not. It needs to be recorded in our history books that armed insurrection was not even slightly okay.
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