Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Biden GIVES AWAY THE FARM On $3.5 Trillion Bill! | The Kyle Kulinski Show" video.

I don't think that's accurate here considering even Centrists have been doing attack ads on Manchin and Sinema for this. Did you see the ad where they go after Manchin, his wife and daughter for corruption? The near entirety of the Dem party is trying to pass the $3.5 T bill.
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Biden should've started with $6 Trillion so after Manchin & Sinema threatened to kill the bill, it would've been halved to $3 Trillion. Now it's not even going to be a drop in the bucket for working families.
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It's not crumbs. The Medicare expansion is still in the bill and that alone is huge. One of the seniors in my family just spent $7,000 on a hearing aid. That would be GONE if this reduced bill still passed.
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I don't think it's pointless, it's just a disappointment. Getting half of an already great bill is still something.
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@Abcq755 They've held the line so far & are the only reason this bill is still even up for discussion (without them the Infrastructure bill would've passed and killed the Spending bill). You don't have to put faith in them but at least don't be a douche when they've been doing everything right on this & going above expectation.
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It was naive to think Manchin and Sinema would bend on the bill unless the cost was reduced. If you think would've caved to any amount of pressure, then yeah that is naive. They're corrupt & bought; they're not just going to fold on their own since they have corporate masters to appease.
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@darkdaxterversionz They got 40-60 members of the Progressive Caucus to vote against the Infrastructure bill, meaning they're not only casting the right vote, they're also leading on the issue to shoot down the Infrastructure bill, even when Nancy Pelosi turned against them. That's absolutely going above expectations, even for people who simply expected the Squad to vote against it. Also, the $3.5 Trillion was a number they had to achieve through reconciliation & without Bernie as Senate budget chairman it wouldn't have even happened at all due to the filibuster. They initially DID try to pass far more and it was talked down by the rest of the party so it could be put into the spending bill. It's clear you have a problem with giving them credit even when its due. How the fuck are we supposed to encourage & get them to fight like this all the time when hacks on the Left refuse to support their actions even when they're doing everything right & leading on the issue? The American Left is fucking broken when we can't even acknowledge our politicians making the right decisions.
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@darkdaxterversionz Well now you're just gaslighting me. When the fuck did I ever say you need to "blindly worship them". I said when they fight for legislation you fucking acknowledge their doing good work so they keep making the right decisions in the future, when they make the wrong decisions you criticize them so they don't do it again. It's that goddamn simple. If you wanna take my words and reinterpret them as "Dur you have to worship them and kiss their feet" then you're just being purposefully dishonest in this conversation. You honestly sound like someone who doesn't care at all about these policies, otherwise you would put aside your personal bullshit you have with these people and support the POLICY. I don't like Joe Biden one bit, but when he pulled out from Afghanistan I supported that, vocally back his decision, & defended him from the media's attacks. Though I'm sure you would've just considered it "Biden just doing his job", which is just the same thing as being a fucking hack who can't support a military de-escalation just because it's someone you personally don't like very much, and yes, that IS Jimmy Dore-like, who puts his personal feelings above any kind of policy ever. At the end of the day, these politicians are tools to achieve substantive goals for the American people. If you don't use the Stick AND Carrot approach to politics, & only continually just use the Stick (even when they're doing the right shit), then you're being absolutely foolish & playing the game like shit. More than anything though, you're just a hack on this subject.
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@darkdaxterversionz If I'm gaslighting you in any way, then it goes double for you. I'm making what I consider an extremely reasonable argument with how to both view politics and leave personal feelings out of these issues. As I said, a stick and carrot approach is needed on these issues as an effective way of playing politics, but it's also just a sign that an individual has principles & will give credit when its due, which is why I mentioned Biden pulling out of Afghan. You're "disagreement that they did everything right" on the Spending bill was absurd or excessively uncharitable towards their actions at best. They had already tried to push for a higher price tag on the bill and $3.5 Trillion was the number the Dems made them lower it to just to get it into reconciliation, so you were just simply wrong about that part. In terms of "they're just doing their job", I already explained how they're not just voting for the bill (which yes, you consider 'just doing their jobs'), they're also corralling other members to shoot down the Infrastructure Bill, doing interviews all over the media - so they're also *Leading on the issue, & most importantly playing Machiavellian politics to try to force their way. It's incredibly hypocritical that many leftists will bash them relentlessly for not signing onto the "Force the Vote" strategy, but as soon as they Force a Vote on THIS, it's crickets from people or in your case it's, at best, perceived as "Well they're just doing their job". It's pretentious and more importantly a dumb way of handling politics and politicians if you actually want these people to continually make these decisions in the future. It's insane to me that you don't see the logic of this argument.
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