Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Justin Roiland Situation Just Got Wild" video.

I've known of couples where the guy was nearly arrested for DV, because he had to defend himself against his girlfriend lunging and attacking him when she was wasted. The guy is usually stronger, so when the girl gets thrown off of them into a chair or something, sometimes women see themselves as the victim in that scenario & consider it domestic violence, not understanding their own involvement in what is essentially domestic violence they instigated. This kind of behavior is just grandfathered into our culture and understanding. I've also had a friend who was stabbed by his girlfriend, but never pressed any charges and barely complained once about it (aside from breaking up with her), because it's just ingrained in our heads that men can't be victims of domestic violence or abuse & if you think you are, you're just kind of a pussy who can't take a hit.
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@trapd00rspider Not sure why you're trying to directly compare 2 obviously different scenarios, but did the girl attack the man in that instance? Because if she did then she's directly involved in the domestic violence. If the guy purposefully suplexed her or some shit, then that's obviously different & more severe on the man's part, but saying you can't shake or push someone off of you who has an arm around your neck, in a case of actual self-defense, also seems like a problematic stance to have, or at the very least it's necessary to acknowledge that the woman is culpable for her actions just as men are. This is kind of what I'm talking about. We just assume it's almost always the man's fault in a case of domestic violence or that men can't be victims, such as my friend who was stabbed by his girlfriend and just shrugged it off (he was cheating on her btw, but that's no excuse for violence). However, if you look at the actual statistics, 1 in 4 men have been victims of domestic violence, while 1 in 3 women have been victims of DV. That's only a difference of 7 percentage points, yet we act like men are incapable of being victims or the assumption that 90% of all DV is done by men, which is not the reality.
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@yapy326 I suppose that makes a bit more sense, but it also seems like there's something inherently wrong with that position as well. It seems unfair to all the countless people that work on the show to drop it just cause the lead voice actor is having a serious legal case, especially one that was eventually dismissed and not for a lack of evidence or money from the prosecution. The way the public reacted just seems like a problematic way to deal with these issues. Johnny Depp, for instance, was able to overcome his allegations only by broadcasting his entire trial to the public & Depp just happens to be a handsome talented actor with an attractive personality. Roiland, even if totally innocent, is in no way receiving the same sympathy or understanding from the public, because it's pretty clear he's an extremely flawed individual even if he's totally harmless & just a drunkass.
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@michaelb7228 Really nice strawman. I literally just said it wasn't a crime cause it objectively isn't and even added that it's creepy (if they're not just fake screenshots), but yeah looks like I'm defending pedophilia now, you're so smart buddy. The guy factually hasn't been proven to have actually done anything, just been accused by random internet accounts (more accurately, I'm only advocating for people just to take a step back & wait until something is actually proven or verified by professionals). The only verified accusations were thrown out by the DA a month ago and that leaves the only valid one as him being a shitty and lazy boss from complaints of co-workers. What we know so far is that people cancelled him initially for domestic violence, something that ultimately didn't even make it to a judge's desk, so you'd think that would actually prompt people to take a step back and not jump to extreme conclusions about how someone is a "pedophile" or "groomer" based on unverified screenshots and essentially what amounts to internet justice. Also let's assume those screenshots from random Twitter users were 100% verified and true, was it ever even addressed or asked about if Roiland even met with any of these girls or even asked to hang out? (btw most of them were even like 24 & in their early 20s iirc, while one in question was 16). Unless he's actually pushing them to meet in person, those messages can easily be interpreted as Roiland trolling and saying dumb crazy shit while drunk, which doesn't mean he's either a pedophile or groomer, just that he needs to put down the bottle - if you've ever actually known any alcoholics in your life then you can understand how someone could easily say some crazy shit to random people messaging them on their phone. Imo it just seems like people are going out of their way to interpret Roiland's behavior as the worst possible scenario and not even acknowledging the fact that these could be fake messages created for internet clout - the internet is a vast place full of endless amounts of fake stuff. It just seems irresponsible to act like everything is 100% in the direction of all the screenshots being real and 100% Roiland guilty and only saying stuff cause he's some pedophile and groomer. Ya'll need to calm tf down and stop thinking someone is the next Kevin Spacey or Jeffrey Epstein cause of a few cringe texts that may or may not be real in the first place.
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@yapy326 He didn't ask for either our support or hatred though. It was a private case that unfortunately got leaked to the public, so now whether he's truly innocent or guilty will have a negative effect on him either way. It's a lose-lose scenario for him, I doubt he would've asked for "support"
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@yapy326 Yeah it's definitely a subject that requires a lot of nuance, & I don't think you're necessarily wrong either. Though even if Roiland is one of the beneficiaries of the show, he's nowhere near the only person who works on it & needs it to support their livelihood. Knowing that, it's just kind of hard to weigh 100 peoples jobs versus 1 man's livelihood who may or may not have done some bad stuff. At the very least, these realistic repercussions (along with all the workers at Squanch Games) should've given people pause before trying to judge the man without any of the details of the case or without waiting for the case to be resolved first. Roiland might be the head of Rick and Morty and Squanch Games, but the show and company also basically depend on Roiland and his brand of comedy & voice acting to survive and thrive, especially Rick and Morty where he literally voices the 2 main characters - the show is basically done for without him. Also I'm not sure how comparable the Depp trial is to Roiland's case either, but that's because we know pretty much none of the details around Roiland's case and that's kind of the problem. Depp knew he'd be able to broadcast his trial knowing he'd have the charisma and love of the public to get through the exhausting ordeal, Roiland & most people don't have that luxury though, which is likely why he'd keep it private even if he was completely innocent - it's a lose-lose situation for him either way unless you can do something monumental like Depp did to prove his innocence to the public. In no way, should that be the standard.
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@trippingandbrowsing1269 I watched the podcast and it was pretty clear he was taking the piss throughout the whole thing. Guys literally an edgy comedian. True that it aged very poorly over the 13 years since it had been recorded (Roiland was 26 years old at the time talking about having a 22 year old girlfriend), but you're taking his words from 13 years ago and using it as some kind of proof he's into 14 year olds just cause he was saying tongue in cheek shit about if he were 14 years old again.
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@apollofell3925 And it's possible Tom Hanks beats his wife and children. You can't just assume the worst based on a charge that went nowhere (not even making it to a judge).
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He did like half the voice acting in the show while also juggling his stuff at Squanch Games. I think the portrayal of him being a lazy drunk bum is a bit misleading. If anything he's just a drunk edgy voice actor, which is kind of the reason he was so famous and successful in the first place if we're being honest.
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@shroomshroom5945 Bro there's a lot of ways to criticize Roiland in all of this but this one is just silly. Chances are his lawyer wrote it for him to begin with as well. These types of statements are very carefully crafted and scrutinized by legal counsel.
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@michaelb7228 Not a crime. Just creepy and/or being a drunk cringe flirt. Also, not real proven evidence either considering it's screenshots made from random twitter accounts.
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Yeah, people are really latching onto the "Well he's still a shitty co-worker with bad work ethic and a cringe drunkass flirt", but those things are not crimes and they are very arguably not a reason to destroy someone's livelihood. Roiland's characters are literally drunk assholes that he regularly has to drink to get into character for, is it any wonder the guy doesn't have a sparkling personality? Peoples kneejerk reaction to this whole story just kind of annoys, as it shows most people will just condemn someone without knowing the details and without knowing one bit whether they're guilty or not.
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It's also possible that the ex DID leak the story. The case was basically kept quiet for 2 years (potentially held up cause the pandemic), but suddenly the info gets leaked. Possible the ex did it to try to put pressure on Roiland or just ruin his livelihood, then the public attention of a case kept private enabled the DA to accelerate the process or even led to the possibility of a counter-suit, so the charges were thrown out by the district attorney.
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@appocalypsechild They just stop caring in general. I had friends like this back in the day who would drink all the time and had a dark sense of humor just like Roiland definitely has. They just say shit to shock people, which is exactly what some of those DMs looked like to me (alleged DMs). At the same time though, my friend was an asshole but also totally harmless. He'd say dumb harsh edgy shit but also would have more insecurity issues than anyone else in the room. If you've ever known someone like this, then you understand these people are still human and have normal human faults - they don't deserve to be treated like total pariahs everyone should despise like they're Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey. I don't know Roiland personally but I get the same vibes from him as I've seen in other alcoholics that act in a similar way.
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I mean yeah. Look at what happened to Johnny Depp, who actually won his case (& had to have the entire trial recorded to the public just to give people the full context) and he still had his career demolished in the process. And let's be honest, even if Justin Roiland is totally and completely innocent, he's nowhere near as likeable as a charismatic handsome actor like Johnny Depp - he wouldn't have a chance being the center of the public eye like that, especially because even if he's totally harmless, he's still some level of an immature drunk asshole - people like that just don't get sympathy or love in our society, so in the end, Roiland's fame was only more of a hindrance than a help, no matter what his level of innocence or crime is.
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Except the DMs had basically no attachment to the case at all. If they're actually 100% real, they only really prove that Roiland has a drinking problem and is so wacked in the head when he's wasted that he sometimes says immature and disgusting shit. I've known a lot of drunkasses in my time and this isn't anything new or unique, and, if we're being honest, Roiland's drunkass behavior and immature attitude is likely why his content was so popular in the first place. The only reason the DMs seemed ominous in the first place was because they were released along with the allegations of a very serious crime - if Roiland is actually innocent of that crime, then those DMs are still gross (not to mention extremely embarrassing for him), but they lose almost all of their menacing feel to them.
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@picivyvortac2641 That's actually one of the most intelligent theories I've heard regarding this. It kind of adds up with the timeline of the info suddenly coming out and then suddenly the DA drops their charges (possibly because slander became a very real possibility). Like we learned in the Johnny Depp trial, things are not always one-sided or black and white. Humans are faulty fickle creatures and relationships can get messy for both parties. It's possible Roiland isn't completely innocent (maybe lost his temper and slapped her or pushed her) and it's possible the ex was greedy and wanted money from a wealthy individual, possibly planning to pursue civil court after criminal court. We honestly just don't know, but it's really painful watching the social discourse around this ambiguous case as if everything is always going to be black and white and either Roiland is completely guilty or his ex is completely just out to maliciously get him.
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Victims usually lose domestic violence cases due to a lack of evidence though, and it sounds like this case was dismissed because "new evidence" came to light, not because somebody ran out of money or there was a lack of evidence. In honesty though, none of us know and none of us really have the details to pass judgement one way or another. It's kinda wild that everybody believes it's their personal business.
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@MrReaperHand What's the difference though? DA said "significant new info came to light" - like what would that mean and why would it get the DA to drop their charges? Doesn't seem like your normal dismissal
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@mariobadia4553 Except that podcast was from 2010. Roiland was 26 in that podcast talking about dating 22 and 18 year olds (even saying he wouldn't date someone younger than 18). Also, yeah those screenshots came from random twitter users out of the blue. There's no way to verify if they were real or not - it's the damn internet ffs full of infinite clout chasers. If anything on them was criminal, it might've been able to get taken to court and we would've known for sure, but it wasn't and there wasn't anything criminal to lead to that outcome.
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@glass_knuckles The takeaway is that nobody knows, the same way nobody knows if Tom Hanks beats his wife.
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Probably why the public should've just stayed out of it. The guy is in a lose-lose situation now cause everyone had to make it their own business. Now, if Roiland is actually completely innocent, he both gets his career ruined anyways and everyone loses Rick and Morty and his video games. So either he actually did some bad shit, or the idiots on Twitter just ruined this man's career over a spiteful ex - there's literally no happy ending anymore.
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@kaijuultimax9407 That's not really anything unique or anything to cancel him over. Roiland became so instrumental to his jobs, that he just stopped caring in the office. Steve Jobs' employees also complained about him, such as his hygiene and his shitty attitude to everyone around him - doesn't mean he's not an asshole, yet the public treats Jobs like he's a hero now for making the iPhone (even though I'd agree Jobs is a giant asshole, yet that's no reason to end his career). It honestly just sounds like people are trying to grasp onto any possible allegations now so they don't have to deal with the possibility that they aided in ruining a guy's career when he might've, in fact, been innocent.
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@Redhaux Wait so we're frying him for "lack of work ethic" now? Seems fair
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The "significant additional information came to light" comment by the district attorney kinda signifies it's not just your average "not enough proof" dismissal however.
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@codymakinson Except the DA also said "significant new information came to light" - that doesn't really fit with your analysis of the case.
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@bolverkr3903 Especially Justin Roiland who voices the two main characters of the show. He's literally irreplaceable if Adult Swim plans to continue the show. Nobody is going to watch some Rick or Morty VA knockoff.
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He knew he was innocent. What are you bloody confused about?
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@michaelb7228 Wow you're on a roll with these Strawmen & now you seem to be assuming you know me & my motivations on a personal level. I literally never said he was guilty or innocent, just that people need to stop jumping to conclusions without verified evidence & proof that doesn't just come from random corners of the internet. Well done on being completely insufferable (& liking your own smug comments where you say weird shit like "Man, everyone really was right about you."). Ironic you're claiming there's "literally zero evidence" he's innocent, when the burden of proof should be the other way (innocent until proven guilty) for alleged "multiple sex crimes", especially given the only actual charges filed against him were dropped by the DA. I'm not even saying he should be treated like he's innocent though, just that he shouldn't be treated like he's guilty (even though it seems like you have no problem acting like he's 100% guilty & nothing can ever change your mind on that). You're the one with the extreme position & complete lack of self-awareness, not me.
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@knobgobler2639 Yeah, that's kind of what I'm talking about. Johnny had to air his trial for everyone to see until people started siding with him. Also, Amber Heard was a public figure as well. If Roiland did the same, it'd be like a bad episode of Judge Judy and I highly doubt he'd ever want to do that - he's not some handsome charismatic actor and he's already shown to have a flawed character. Depp might've been a drunk too, but he was more the drunk handsome sea captain kind of drunk, not the dumbass comedian who won't leave the bar after closing time kind of drunk. Also we're likely to never see Roiland air that trial, cause that trial is already over. Technically he won his trial more concretely than Johnny Depp did, seeing how Depp still had to pay a certain amount of money. We don't know the specifics, but it kind of sucks both Depp and Roiland likely won't work in the entertainment industry ever again even if they're completely innocent.
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@jasonninja55 Nothing's been said cause there's literally no way to prove screenshots from random internet users somehow qualifies as solid proof. There's no crime recorded in those alleged DMs so there's no reason for any of it to go to a court to verify whether it's actual evidence or not. Kinda wild that people were using those as certifiable proof of something (I guess proof that Roiland is a creep?)
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Well yeah. It wasn't the "charges", it was the bad PR associated with the charges.
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"Never proven innocent to the public" is a pretty absurd stance when the public has never known any of the details about the case to begin with and has basically just judged on vague hearsay and leaked drunk DMs that had nothing to do with the case in question.
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@calebhohneke8482 Is being a "drunken unstable weirdo" a crime though? I've known people like this in the past in college who say crazy shit when they've been drinking too much, especially towards women who they have masked insecurity issues with, but in actuality they're completely harmless. The only reason the DMs seemed ominous was cause they came out with the news about an ongoing assault and battery case. If Roiland is actually innocent of those charges, then I don't really see the crime. Roiland is just a immature drunk asshole, kinda what people knew about him already given he's the creator of Rick Sanchez.
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@calebhohneke8482 Yeah, let's just shelve that last point, cause I think it's totally valid that there's no real evidence these are legit (millions upon billions of bored people on the internet after all). But let's assume they're 100% real & Roiland said all this shit when he was wasted. Maybe I'm biased or just understand this drunkass mentality better cause I had friends in college (or at least 1 in particular) who were a lot like this when they drank too much but in actuality were basically harmless despite their big mouths & dumbass lack of inhibitions. They would get so drunk that they'd just stop giving a fuck completely about what other people thought and would use shock and awe humor even if they were the only people laughing at it. Don't ask me why some drunks are like this, but they are, & I think literally every one of us is guilty of sending embarrassing or insane texts when we've been too drunk, but I'm pretty certain guys like Roiland do it on another level, especially cause he has a drinking problem. It's also important to remember Roiland comes from the Tim and Eric and Eric Andre type of shock comedy sector of entertainment, so if I had to guess, this is exactly who he is on a personal level. These comedians aren't just actors & put on a mask for the camera, someone like Eric Andre is actually quite insane and doesn't have a filter. Ironically, this is what attracts people to their content and work to begin with. Roiland, for instance, pretends to be one of the biggest drunk assholes in television as his day job, it's not really shocking to find out he's also a drunk asshole in his personal life. The reason the domestic violence charge matters is to determine whether he's a violent drunk asshole who needs help, or whether he's just a regular drunk asshole who just has no filter when he drinks but is basically harmless. I don't think the DMs would've had anywhere near the same impact if they hadn't been released within days of info about the DV case. If Roiland is completely innocent of the DV as the dismissal of his case suggests, then I don't really see the DMs as anything more than idiotic drunkass behavior. Also, if I'm being honest, I don't think that one message was "grooming" either, it just seemed like Roiland was yelling insane shit in all caps and ending the conversation right there by saying something shocking. I mean, he literally calls her a "F*GG*T" in the same sentence and it's basically said out of nowhere. So yeah, he's still a moronic drunkass who gets creepy to women when too drunk, but without the DV stuff, it basically loses all the menace behind any of it. This is all just my opinion of course, but I feel like it's a lot more accurate than most of the stuff people are saying.
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@FajitaEata Right.. Cause why would people ever try to chase clout on the internet
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@FajitaEata Let me know when an expert verifies them as real. Also, the two "victims" I saw posting on their Twitter accounts are acting so over-the-top like Roiland ruined their lives with weird DM messages and other people being like "I'm so so sorry this happened to you" (One said she was 24 at the time of the messages and accused Roiland of "grooming" her at age 24). There's no way any of this shit is sincere even IF the messages are all 100% real.
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@FajitaEata Nah just basic common sense
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Somebody should post this on Twitter so we can give yet another circumstantial reason Justin Roiland is the biggest drunk piece of shit on the planet & deserves all the hate and anger in the world whether his case is valid or not.
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@D_YellowMadness Oh come on man. You and others are reading way too much into this. These guys are comedians who write dark humor (I mean, now people are wrangling Dan Harmon into this like he's some kind of omega creep). These guys had one of the most successful animated shows for years so it's just a bit odd to accuse them of all this weirdly personal stuff when the viewers themselves ate this shit up and were essentially begging for more (remember fans going rabid cause the wait between seasons was too long). The social commentary surrounding all this stuff is wild to me. It's like people just suddenly forgot these are the minds behind Rick and Morty and how dare they be weird guys that do weird things sometimes. I see so many people talking about this stuff in a parasocial way and I'm genuinely convinced half these people have never seen a single episode of Rick and Morty.
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