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I think I just had it, and I'm unvaccinated (35 years old). Lasted about four days, had some weird muscle aches (lower back, neck, upper arms), joint pains (knee), heavy fatigue, lack of concentration, fever, felt my body fighting hard in the upper chest and throat. It was like a mild flu, I'm ok now.
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+Nick Williams, "Homosexuals can never have children, even if they tried." You know what i meant, of course an individual homosexual can have a child (with a woman), but they cannot procreate together, therefore making marriage absurd for them.
"Surrogacy, artificial insemination, adoption, and having a kid before coming out." Prove to me that it's beneficial to do these things.
"Don't use his honesty as a cloak for your anti-gay agenda." Observable facts are anti-gay, it's not my opinion. You may find the truth uncomfortable, but that's not my problem.
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@emilyscloset2648
"being gay is very much within the order of nature"
I don't doubt that some animals may also be afflicted with homosexuality, like i said earlier, it's a deviation, produced through either pre-birth or post-birth environmental factors. It simply being found in nature does not mean it was intended to occure, nor does that justify participation, seeing as humans have the ability to reason, the ability to differeniate between right and wrong.
"Why should it matter what two consenting adults do within the law within the privacy of their home?"
I never said it did, i'm absolutely for that right, but the problem is when you bring your lifestyle onto the street (pride parades), onto the television (inappropriate), into the sacred realm of the family (marriage, adoption), and finally, into the classroom (indoctrinating children). By all means keep it behind closed doors and i'll defend your natural rights to the death.
"be used to preach anything other than love?"
This is the message of love. Adherence to the law of nature, that was instituted by God, is the best and only lifestyle to be admired. It was done for our ultimate good, it's why we were made in the first place. No one can become internally awakened to God while living a life of sin, a certain level of asceticism is required for our salvation.
And yes, love is love, God is love.
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imbecilik 1) The sperm on it's own has no potential to create new life, neither are they unique; the 'early developed cell' however, is a unique cell which has begun the initial processing towards becoming a fully developed human being. So masterbation and the 'early developed cell', cannot be compared.
2) "It has no consciousness, it has no nervous system" Should we terminate all people in a Coma? should we terminate all people with full body paralysis?
3) "Black and white issue" Not quite, i recoginse abortions are neccessary in pregnancy caused by rape or medical reasons, but anything outside that isn't valid.
4) Is being against people that take drugs, gamble, and drink excessively, a bad thing? all these people are doing what they want with their own bodies as well. No one will stop you having an abortion, but we will object to it and offer women a better alternative, which is; giving the baby up for adoption, or taking full responsibility for the life she created.
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Olivia Cowley Sure. In general, men and women are different, both physically and mentally, therefore both are generally suited to different roles in life. There are always exceptions to the rule of course, and the system should allow for deviations from the general norm if we are to live in a free society, however, speaking in general terms, most women do not want to do construction, just like most men do not want to become nurses or teachers. This is due to the fundemental differences (physical and mental) between the sexes, not discrimination, and should therefore be left alone to run it's course in a free society where individuals make their own choices.
I believe in equal opportunity for all, but i do not believe men and women are equal, or that they should be forced to be equal either, but having said that, just because we are different that doesn't mean that women are of any less worth than men. Just because women tend not to achieve more than men in the workforce due to their biological limitations, certainly doesn't mean women are of any less importance than men in society. Feminists today view female worth by comparing women to male achievement, this is wrong. The sexes compliment each other, both having strengths and weaknesses which tend to balance each other out. Men are good providers, emotionally stable and reliable; women on the other hand are good nurturers, compassionate, providing stability in a home, and give meaning to life beyond the mundane daily toil.
This is my opinion.
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Veronica Widén 1) The 'pay gap' is a myth.
2) Women rely upon their looks to gain attention from men, who have a higher sex drive (biologically in-built) for the purposes of reproduction. You cannot over-ride nature, it is what it is, you need to get over that.
3) Breasts are concidered part of sexual anatomy as they increase sexual desire in males. Men would prefer to protect women from being sexual harrassed by random strangers. It's because we care about women, not because we want to control them.
4) "I want equality" You have 'equality', your life in protected under the Law, you have the right to do as you please as an individual human being, again protected by Law. What you want is for us to over-ride the natural differences between the genders, which are complimentary to each other, they are not suppose to be identical.
5) I will try and "fuck myself", although i prefer a woman to be involved.
Veronica, you're wasting your time over nothing, and making the lives of men a misery in the process, please think about this, thanks.
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+Ben Chapman, Yes they were, Muslims invaded a well-established Christian area and took it by force, they then went on to invade Europe itself by taking Sicily, southern Italy, and Spain, and even attempting to take France. Although having said that, not all the Crusades were a success, some were down right barbaric, but the main Crusades were about taking back the Holy land, making it more diffcult for Muslims to invade Europe.
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@saro ban, Absolutely, reminds me of something i read only this morning:
"Why, then, does truth generate hatred, and why does thy servant who preaches the truth come to be an enemy to them who also love the happy life, which is nothing else than joy in the truth, unless it be that truth is loved in such a way that those who love something else besides her wish that to be the truth which they do love. Since they are unwilling to be deceived, they are unwilling to be convinced that they have been deceived. Therefore, they hate the truth for the sake of whatever it is that they love in place of the truth. They love truth when she shines on them; and hate her when she rebukes them. And since they are not willing to be deceived, but do wish to deceive, they love truth when she reveals herself and hate her when she reveals them." Saint Augustine, Confessions
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Himanshu Kumar The BBC are traitors to the British people, and there's nothing positive about having your culture and your future destroyed by people who claim to represent the country. I'm actually anti-eugenics, abortion is eugenics, and i always speak out against it.
I doubt you live in England, but those of us that do are sick of the lies, corruption, immorality, selfishness, faithlessness, aggression, oppression, indoctrination and stupidity. We're sick of the culture, sick of the twisted morals, sick of the inversion of everything that is truly good and wholesome. The soul of England is dying.
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***** Incestuous couples don't choose to be attracted to each other either, that's like saying "gay is a choice", lol, but in all seriousness both incest and being gay is a choice, participation in something you know isn't right, is a choice.
Who said anything about gays not having equal right? The right to life, yes. The right to own property, yes. The right to live free unmolested, yes. The right to marriage, NOPE, gay people are naturally excluded from marriage and child-rearing, therefore it isn't a right, that would be like me saying i have the right to an abortion, even though i'm a man, but being a man means i'm naturally excluded from it, which means i'm not being denied any sort of right.
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***** I've known good Christians and bad Christians, i've also known good atheists and bad atheists, you can only judge people on an individual basis. And oh course people have done bad things in the name of religion, but people have also done bad things in the name of secular "progress", such as political ideology, patriotism, imperialism, and cult movements. To suggest that good people without religion won't become victims of groupthink or led astray with collectivism is simple thinking, if anything, removing religion that offers a strong objective morality, leaves people wide open to suggestion and influence.
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Veronica Widén Women do have equality, you just prefer the delusion you created in your imagination. Stop trying to bring everybody else down to your level, the simple fact is that you can't get by in life without the help of the government, so you created a boogeyman as an excuse to get them to interfere into our lives.
If women want to get their breasts out in public, go ahead, see how many sexual perverts you'll attract, then you'll probably put the blame onto all men, even though we (good men) warned against it. Men find female breasts sexual attractive, enough to arouse sexual desire in males, so if you want to be seen as mere sexual object then get them out.
Women will get raped if they start taking their clothes off, and you can't blame ALL men for YOU deliberately provoking sexual perverts by taking off your clothes.
Again please think about this.
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"Teach men not to rape"
The most absurd statement pushed by the man-haters. All men know rape is wrong, even rapists, but rapists do it anyway, so what the point in 'teaching men' what they already know? A rapist rapes despite knowing it's wrong, so what do you propose? Minority report? The only reason a rape happens is because the rapist willed it to happen, and that cannot be prevented by simply telling him it's wrong beforehand, he already knows it's wrong, so it cannot be policed, so prevention is the only possible solution.
And these women are so detached from the opposite sex that they actually believe men just go around raping women because they don't have any conception of boundaries or consent, it's ridiculous. They don't understand or know men at all. We need consent classes as much as we need classes teaching men not to murder, i.e: Never.
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+jelkel25, You can deviate as much as you like within a relationship (behind closed doors), just don't bring your deviations into the public sphere. I'm not saying what you can and can't do in private, i'm merely stating what is and is not intended by nature, and how it should or should not be incorporated into society.
"a biological response to overpopulation" And how would that work exactly? Are you saying that nature is opposed to large groups of people? The opposite seems to be true, that nature rather likes large groups of people, afterall, almost everyone has desire for sex, even homosexuals, they're just not using their sexual tools properly because their mind is working contray to the body. Even homosexuals produce semen, so nature seems to have wanted them to procreate. And women can have many more children beyond what is currently deemed acceptable. But if you are right, then nature must be telling homosexuals not have children, which actually supports my argument, so i'm right either way.
Also, how would nature determine whether our world is overpopulated? Is homosexuality the result of large cities and big populations? If so, then we wouldn't expect to find any evidence of homosexuality in the ancient world, where there we're fewer big cities and lower population levels, and yet we do. And there have always been a number of people in society who have forgone having children, for example the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of monks in the past few thousand years, which would certainly negate the need for homosexuals to decrease the population.
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***** I fully understand, afterall i'm on the same path myself, but i'm not going to dissuade a decent chap marrying a good woman, but i'm also not calling for men to marry a woman a second after meeting her either; give it many years before you even attempt it. That's basically all i'm saying, i'm not hating on the MGTOW.
baiyuantongbei I agree to an extent, most women today are soft feminists, it's very difficult to find a woman that isn't. Men shouldn't put up with silly women if they're being bitches, i fully support men telling these women certain truths about their nature that they may not like to hear, but again, that isn't the case for all men, many relationships work out well, but if that's your own personal choice then i respect it.
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***** I'm not happy the way that marriage has been treated by our feminist culture; how the woman has been given all the benefits over a man, so i kind of agree with you there.
Personally i see marriage as the ultimate in commitment, a stable environment for growing children, a cultural tradition worth keeping, and as a spiritual ceremony, (i'm old fashoined), the government contract is a side issue for me, but that doesn't mean i will marry any old whore after a few weeks, i'm much smarter than that. So even though i value marriage more than a simple secular contract, that doesn't meam i'm stupid enough to put myself into a situation where i could lose everything, i know it's not for everyone, but marriage can still work.
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Niklas Hansen Have you ever visited Scandinavia? i have many times. Polls and news articles can never quite capture the reality of life in a distant land, they're usually heavily biased and selective.
"strongest economies", when you witness the evironment the people live in, you'll know why, and it's isn't due to lack of religious belief. And 'happiness' is subjective to the individual, people who take drugs are happy, alcoholics are also happy, does that happiness = what's best for a society? think about that for a while. Also certain groups may be happy, but not all groups, afterall, one man's Heaven is another man's Hell.
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@paulgibbons2320 "Religion attacks that" Nonsense, Catholicism has always embraced logic when it comes to the natural world, but uses 'faith' when dealing with the metaphsyical. You can be both a scientist and a Christian, there is no contradiction there. You might say "it's stupid to believe in fictions", but almost everyone believes in fictions, for example: nation states are fictions, currency is a fiction, etc......Fictions are just something mutually agreed upon, but which may not exist in reality, or exist but cannot be measured and observed by empiricism.
It's almost impossible to raise a child free of some kind of fiction or propaganda, even atheists will tell their children "religion is stupid" or "there is no god", without letting the child weigh up the evidence for themselves.
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@Arfur Fuxxakes God instituted nature at the beginning, which follows it's own natural laws. A virus is the unintended consequence of space and time. Space and time is requisite for change; change necessary for free choice; free choice with progress and development. For free will to become possible, then so too comes the possibility of evil and suffering, and inevitable death. So if you want the ability to reject God, then you must also accept the possibility of suffering and death. That was the choice made by Adam and Eve. You can't have it both ways.
As for the death of babies: Babies are intended to grow into adulthood, hence why the vast majority do (praise God). And my belief is that innocent babies are automatically recieved into heaven, due to their innocence or lack of ability to sin.
As for your atheism leading to hell: Ask yourself: Why would God embrace someone who won't recognise His blessings, but then gets blamed for when these blessings are removed? When was the last time you thank God for living to see another day? You blame God for the unfortunate deaths of babies (not the fault of God), but you support abortion (the fault of man). Is that hypocrisy i see?
As for religion about controlling the 'weak-minded': I'll quote Thomas Kempis: "Who is forced to struggle more than he who tries to master himself?". You'll find some religious have the strongest minds.
As for religions being wealthy: That's a simple one. Many people throughout the centuries (especially those without children) have left their entire wealth and property to the church. Some did so because they wanted to help the Church help others, but some did so under the notion that it would gain them favour with God.
As for looking at the world we live in: As someone well acquainted with ancient history, the modern world is now largely a paradise in comparison.
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bioiclebenable,
The slaying of the dragon is an obvious metaphor. The dragon is a symbol of human nature, which is inclined to sins like anger, greed, lust, etc..... The overcoming of the dragon is be born a new man, a Christ-man, one who walks the spiritual road to enlightenment. Basically it's about overcoming our lower nature as animals to pursue virtue and wisdom.
I like the England flag because it's a symbol of Christ: The cross is the cross, the white represents purity (Christ lived a sinless life), and the red represents sacrifice (Christ shed his blood to redeem mankind). But i much prefer Saint Edmund for patron saint of England, afterall he died a martyr in England itself.
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@ckaybit
"Should we hide singles too then?"
No, but singles should remain celebate.
"couples that choose not to get kids"
No, because couples who choose not have children can have children, they can still change their mind or have an 'accident'.
"we should tell religious/ethnic minorities to hide all traces of their identity and assimilate to the majority"
I never said that. I said keep it behind closed doors. The problem is when minority groups try and claim equal status with the majority, note that i said status as opposed to worth. All people are of equal worth, but not equal status. Trying to usurp the throne by infiltrating the sacred realm of the family (marriage, children) cannot be tolerated.
"you should mind your business and let people live their life"
I do mind my business, but you people don't keep your lifestyle behind closed doors, you parade it in our faces and bully us into accepting it. I would love to mind my own business, but you won't let me.
"you have absolutely no say over who marries who unless both parties consent and are adults"
By your logic siblings can also get married. Consent alone isn't enough to determine sexual morality, and as England is a Christian country with an established church, yes, we can oppose the oxymoron "gay marriage".
"nature has no will so it can't intend something."
Question: Why do gay men produce semen if they are not a deviation from being straight? What use would a gay man have for semen? Gay people are not a seperate class of human, they are a deviation from normality. Gays were originally intended to be born normal (hence the ability to produce semen) but something went wrong in the processing which makes them attracted to what is not conducive.
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@s.tagerius2514
"Regardless of who the Bible's instructions are intended for is irrelevant. The fact that it permits anybody at all to possess slaves is simply evil."
This is you speaking with historical hindsight, and ironically using Christian ethics to denounce it.
As for slavery, again, your historical knowledge is severly lacking. In the ancient world slavery was split into two types: voluntary slavery and involuntary slavery. The latter for a conquored enemy, the former for those too poor to sustain themselves within your own community. As the ancient world had no concept of social welfare, in return for food and shelter many poor people sold themselves to their neighbours as slaves, or to use the proper term: 'indentured servants'. But indentured servants had to be able to go free after seven years of free labour. As for slaves of a conquored enemy, it was either slavery, prison or death. As you couldn't leave a hostile enemy intent on making you a slave or killing everyone in your community, and as prisons didn't exist, slavery was the next option. Am i justifying slavery? No, just putting it into historical context, and in the modern world slavery can never be justified. If the Jews didn't defeat their enemies, they would have ended up dead or slaves themselves. It's easy to judge history from the comfort of modern infrastructure.
Jesus said: "render unto caesar what is caesar's and unto god what is god's" i.e: 'I'm not here to directly challenge established institutions like slavery [he wasn't a revolutionary], i'm here to indirectly change established norms by changing the hearts of individual people.'
"Jesus may have been a person who advocated for love, but the Bible itself definitely does not."
You do realise that many books of the Bible are describing history? It's descriptive, not prescriptive, or only prescribed at that specific time and place.
"If people don't obey God, the Bible says they will not inherit the Kingdom of God"
Again, descriptive, not prescriptive. It's no different than saying: "If you don't get enough vitamin C you'll get scurvy'. It's not telling you to eat more citrus fruits, it's simply stating that if you don't you'll regret it. So it actually does give you the choice, therefore compatible with individual liberty, infact, it's the very author of it in the Western world.
"Islam definitely doesn't allow freedom, but nor does Christianity. None of the Abhramic religions do."
Incorrect.
Muslims believe they are the judge, jury and executioner of sin.
Christians believe God is the only judge, jury and executioner of sin.
This is the very foundation of the society you live in.
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A creator God does exist, you just haven't met him yet.
I said gain self-knowledge. By studying yourself you'll find out exactly who and what you are, only then can you begin the journey towards knowing God.
My 'guy in the sky' wants everyone to be fit and healthy, which is why the vast majority of us are. Children getting bone-cancer is an unintended consequence of living in this world. It's an aberration, not an intended goal.
If my God is real, i owe him full praise and honour for my very existence, because existence itself is a good.
And it's nice to know that your objection to 'my god' is simply because you believe he is sadistic, because in reality you hate this world and it's sufferings as much as i do, but instead of reaching out to God for consolation, you rage against your maker by lying to yourself that he doesn't exist. The good we have in life stems from God, the bad from the world, but you blame God for the bad and attribute the good to yourself, you have everything in reverse.
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***** The problem is that women are only ever given one option, that's the problem with this corrupted system, therefore we have to go to the streets, it's the only way to break the narrative.
Public spaces are an open forum, we have to deal with situations outside of our control, and we often get spoken too by people we do not know, this is the reality of living in a free society; but in a free society, anyone can refuse to participate in public conversation or discourse, but you do not have the right not to be approached for conversation or discourse. Harrassment is persistant and unwanted attention, something which protesters do not engage in, many do not even approach people for conversation, they merely protest something they strongly disgaree with, which again, is commonplace within a free society.
You do not have the right not to be talked too in public, sorry.
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***** I operate from a place of love, from your worldview it may seem like hatred, but i actually do care about unborn babies, not because i hate women or their choices, but because i have a deep love for all people, especially the most vunerable, those without a choice; the unborn.
And there are many doctors and nurses that disagree with abortion, but people like you want them to be silenced, "the only option should be abortion, and you better not disagree with us", so who is disgusting here? me or you?
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Val Nenuial So why are drugs illegal? if no one is allowed a say on what other people do with their own bodies, then all drugs should be legalised and no one should ever judge a person for freely choosing to take drugs. The same thing can apply to firearms ownership, the government or anyone else shouldn't deny me my right to own any firearm i choose to purchase. Both of these are restricted to a certain extent, and for right reasons, and so should abortion, it should be restricted only for cases of rape or when the Mother's life is at stake.
"Every woman has the right to chose!!!" Yet every woman hasn't a right to take drugs or own a handgun (in the UK). Also if it's "her body her choice", then what stopping the woman abortion the baby one week before it's due? AHHH, so women don't control their own bodies afterall, because if she aborted one week before due date, she'd be charged with murder. Your Libetarian philosophy is starting to crumble.
No child has to die needlessly, adoption should always be the first option for a pregnant woman, giving women that option is not "bigoted", it's common sense.
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Val Nenuial When does the growing baby magically become a human child? Where is this magical line where one second it's a fetus without natural rights, and another second, a human child with natural rights? Who made up this arbitrary rule?
How can you possibly deny anyone the right to a firearm? even if that person may take a human life? Abortion actively takes a human life, a human baby's life is at stake; abortion, like gun ownership should never be a closed off topic, which you people would like. It's far easier to justify unrestricted gun ownership than abortion, and that says a lot.
Again, if it's "her body, her choice" then why can't she reject the pregnancy one week before it's due? You know it's bullshit, therefore "her body, her choice" is bullshit, it's not an argument.
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armin38822 You couldn't be further from the truth. Religion is primarily about self-knowledge, it's about gaining higher virtue in place of temporary pleasure. Temporary pleasure which you esteem as being the highest good, but it's not.
"Being left alone without religon,gods,rituals or any spiritual teachings we find ourselves
alone on an island,forced for the first time
to think for ourselves and try to make sense of it all."
I'll counter this with a quote from Robinson Crusoe:
“What is this earth and sea that i have seen so much, whence it is produced, and what am i, and all the other creatures, wild and tame, human and brutal, whence are we?
Sure we are all made by some secret power, who formed the earth and sea, the air and sky, and who is that?
Then it followed most naturally, it is God that has made it all: well, but then it came on strangely, if God has made all these things, He guides and governs them all, and all things that concern them; for the power that could make all things, must certainly have power to guide and direct them.” Daniel Defoe, in Robinson Crusoe.
"depending on your geographical location." I'm a Neoplatonist, but i've never been to Greece. We live in the 21stcentury, we have the internet these days.
So really it's you that needs to ask yourself, "am i just arrogant and condescending?", just because you rejected the nonsense of Literal religious interpretation, doesn't mean you're any more intelligent than anyone else.
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Marton Gabriel You misunderstand, no one becomes moral simply because they are afraid of eternal punishment, they attain virtue to gain a closer connection with God, God cannot be known by an impure heart, this is why Jesus said "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.", and this is why people become moral, to search for God.
The earth is Hell, Hell is an eternal seperation from God (the ultimate good), the only escape is through asceticism, this is the path to eternal life, obtaining virtue is the first step.
So it's a desire to know God and to gain eternal life, which is motivated out of love, not fear.
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Blaze420 1. Name one 'Christian war' fought in the past hundred years.
2. Define intolerance?
3. Which country are you talking about when refering to prison populations? The US? The US is very culturally Conservative and Christian, therefore it's no surprise to see most people identifying themselves as Christian without actually being a practising Christian. For example, many secular-Jews still refer to themselves as Jews, and many Italians still refer to themselves as Catholic, because their culture is so steeped in Catholicism, it's a part of who they are. So there's a big difference between a Cultural Christian, and an actual practising Christian. If you look at the statistics in European countries you'll find that most criminals identify as non-religious, or Islamic, for obvious reasons.
4. Name one Pope who was convicted of being a Pedophile? This is a disgusting accusation to make without evidence, no different than feminists who believe all men are rapists, and shouldn't be given a fair trial.
5. I never said there were no good atheists, i know many good atheists myself, there are good and bad in all groups.
6. Morality is subjective because we disagree? Strange logic there mate, perhaps one is right and the other wrong?
7. Of course being caring doesn't necessarily stem from being religious, my point is that religious people are more likely to closely adhere to their own moral conscience, thus becoming better people, going above and beyond what is expected of them by society.
8. Morality has everything to do with God, atheists can be moral without God, they just don't recognise the true source from whence it came. Morality was instilled within humans since the beginning, although we have not always lived by it.
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Skyswindler You have to interpret the Bible the way in which is was intended to be read. Many parts only make sense when read as allegory. For example, The Book of Jonah is a classic spiritual allegory, there was no man named Jonah, and he was never swallowed by a whale and spat out after three days. The entire story is explaining what happens to someone when going through a spiritual conversion, an internal change within their heart. Only people who have experienced it can fully interpret such a text.
"So just about anyone can make it say anything" This is why the Catholic church made Thomas Aquinas (A Philosopher and Theologian) their "doctor of the church", the Catholic church believes in tradition as a means of interpreting the Bible so that no one except the most knowledgable and wise can interpret it. Unfortunately, Protestants do not have the same teaching, they usually interpret the Bible almost entirely literal and based upon their own interpretation, hence why the Catholic church always opposed the reformation.
"Tell me, was it right or wrong?" Everything must be placed within historical context, it's very easy for you as a modern reader living in a modern comfortable civilisation to judge ancient people. Did God order them to kill all those people? Maybe, maybe not, we only have the authors word to go by.
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Skyswindler If you could live forever you would; this means you love the world, it is your god, your object of worship. You don't want to leave, you want to be forever pleasuring the five senses, welcome to your god.
"There is nothing to misunderstand about killing chidren." Tell that to all the women who have had an abortion. Even today people are justifying the most disgusting acts of evil.
"Its just evil" What is evil? For anything to be evil you must have a standard of goodness. Without God (the ultimate good), evil is just something you happen to dislike, but that others may enjoy.
"This is the same way muslims defend Muhammad for being a pedo." I never defended anything, i merely pointed out the obvious. If you care so much about the murder of children, then i hope you campaign against abortion, otherwise you'd be inconsistent with your own morality.
"context" Example - A man brutally stabbed another man and he died, is he guilty of murder? You would say yes, but when i add further information......A man brutally stabbed another man and he died, after trying to rape and murder his daughter in their family home.....Is he now a cold-blooded killer? Context is everything.
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xiadevinna That's true, however there's historical context that needs to be factored in. This quote by Augustine sums it up better than i possibly could:
“The people of whom i am speaking have the same sort of grievance when they hear that things which good men could do without sin in days gone by are not permitted in ours, and that God gave them one commandment and has given us another. He has done this because the times have demanded it, although men where subject to the same justice in those days as we are in these. Yet those who complain about this understand that when we are dealing with single men, a single day, or a single house, each part of the whole has a differen’t function suited to it. What may be done at one time of day is not allowed at the next, and what may be done, or must be done, in one room is forbidden or punished in another. This does not mean that justice is erratic or variable, but that the times over which is presides are not always the same, for it is the nature of time to change. Man’s life on earth is short and he cannot, by his own perception, see the connection between conditions of earlier times and of other nations, which he has not experienced himself, and those of his own times, which are familiar to him. But when only one individual, one day, or one household is concerned, he can easily see what is suitable for each part of the whole and for each member of the household, and what must be done at which times and places. These things he accepts: but with the habits of other ages he find faults.” Confessions, Saint Augustine [pg 63-64]
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Keir Bo I stated 50% non-white because the English are a European ethnicity with white skin, therefore anyone with darker skin is by default non-English, so it's easier to identify with figures.
When you add other whites such as Eastern Europeans, then i guess the English population of London is far smaller than 50%, again, i find this figure disturbing when 70years ago it was a majority English.
The Vikings came in much smaller numbers that the Angles, and the Viking people assimilated into the already existing Saxon populations. Despite what people might think, tribes of invaders very rarely displaced the settled people of the area, only the rulership and certain laws changed. People of Viking origin are concidered English due to being very closely related, i.e: Western European.
The Romans left very little people in Britain, most either left when the Empire collapsed or they assimilated with the Ancient British who later moved West into Wales.
I'm not racist, i'm just staing the facts, the English have a right to exist as any other.
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imbecilik One of the arguments used by the pro-aborter's, is that a "fetus" cannot survive outside the womb on it's own, therefore is not concidered a Person and shouldn't be granted the natural right to Life. People with full body paralysis cannot survive unaided either, should they also be denied their right to exist? should their carer have the option of smothering him or her with a pillow when they become an inconvenience?
"Although I have no idea why you are equating the lifestyle of excess to a person seeking an abortion." You're saying a woman can do whatever she pleases with her body simply because there is no direct harm to another person; i am then pointing out that if a woman has absolute bodily automony, then so does everybody else; therefore all laws surrounding drugs, alcohol, sex, and weapons possession, should be removed; what i'm doing here is pointing out the absurdity of your argument, and proving that your extreme Libertarian worldview fails in the face of reality. I believe in the freedom of the individual, but there is always a limit.
"why the fight?" I don't have to agree entirely with somebody to make my own stance. If you were fighting for abortions solely for the instances of rape, i may agree with you, but you're not, you want abortion to remain as birth control for irresponsible women, this i strongly disagree with.
"They are protesting making ALL people who seek an abortion (for whatever reason) feel like shit" They're presenting the facts surrounding abortion, if that makes people feel like shit, then perhaps they haven't really thought it through properly. If abortion is the simple solution that pro-aborters like to make out, then they shouldn't be concerned over being challenged. If abortion is no differen't that going in for routine surgery, then protests should be a spectacle of laughter, but you know what we're saying is right, we're appealing to the conscience and you don't like it.
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Veronica Widén No i'm putting the blame in this situation (women walking the streets almost naked) on both parties, i don't condone rape, it's a crime, but with freedom comes responsilibity, you as an individual person have to make sure you don't get yourself in a situtation where something bad could happen, that's what i'm warning against. A man raping a woman is a crime committed by the male, and he should be punished for it.
If you want to walk the streets naked, then please do Veronica, go on do it, but you wont, all talk and no action.
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Sven Tempest Have you ever seen me deliberately target an individual and then hate that person? I only ever speak in general terms, i never attack the individual, so you can refrain from judging me.
As an example to show my perspective:
As a parent, is giving a child who wants a second, third or fourth chocolate bar an act of kindness? Surely not, but you're denying the child what it wants and making them sad for denying it to them. But if you allow your child more than one chocolate bar on more than one occassion, you will do serious damage to the longterm health of the child. So, telling that child "no" is therefore a loving act. I'm simply telling people who need to hear it: "no", and i'm doing out of love for their spiritual health. Sometime people need to hear the truth, and they also need restraint. So in actual fact, it's people liek you who are not truly loving your neighbour, you placate harm.
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@paulgibbons2320 "Ethics and empathy existed along time before Christianity."
I agree, but the difference is that Christianity applies an obligation to be empathetic; it's a moral duty. In Christianity you don't get to side-step your own conscience by making excuses (which are easy to make).
One of the two 'great commandments' is to "love your neighbour as yourself". You can choose not to of course, but it will come with eternal consequences.
Remember what it says in Matthew 25:40-43: "And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me."
Inaction is no excuse, which is why Dante placed the indifferent in the vestibule of hell.
Witch trials were sporadic and usually occured during a time of crisis (The witch trials in England occured during and shortly after the English civil war). The crusades were justfied. Clerical child abuse cannot be justified, but many internal reports point to homosexual priests as being the main culprits, but that was never reported by the mainstream media. The link between homsexuality and peadophilia won't go down very well with Liberals.
"How come most Atheists I know do a better job of applying Christian ethics than Christians do?"
One of the atributes of God is goodness, God is goodness itself, therefore anyone who is good possesses God. So an atheist, who is a good ethical Christian, can be boldly called a cultural and ethical Christian. Early Christians use to refer to Plato as a 'Christian before Christ', for his teachings.
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@Jamie_Johnson We all know the vast majority of western atheists are culturally and ethically Christian. Very few, if any, act as if a God doesn't exist. Morality, or the obligation to a moral code, is null and void without the standard institutued by religion, you know this, so why be disingenuous? Our entire legal system is based upon the Christian idea that all life is sacred and worthy of protection (King Alfred's law code). This is why if you die under suspicious circumtances, your death will be investigated. It's also why we perform an autopsy on the recently deceased: to rule out foul play. In pre-Christian Europe, murder was punished solely by a fine, known as the 'wirgild', which was based upon the price of your labour. Life was cheap and held no significance. In the atheistic soivet union we saw a return to this monsterous way of thinking.
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@Jamie_Johnson
"the behaviours we encourage when living communally and within societies" Ancient societies prove you wrong. Sparta certainly didn't encourage these things within their own children. In fact, they actually taught their children how to steal without being caught, as part of their training. And as we we're once dominated by Christianity (it was actually mandated), atheist parents unconsciously instill these old Christian ideas into their children, as it was done them, without acknowledging their origins.
If the Nazis were Christians, then they were bad Christians. But i think it has more to do with them being German than Christian. Even the Romans were afraid of the German tribes for their ferocity.
"genocides that are directly attributed to religion" It's almost as if religious people are people, shocking i know. People can be induce to savagery for all kinds of reasons: politics, money, land and even over sport, of all things. Again, human nature.
I use to be a white nationalist before becoming a Christian. Back then i hated anyone who wasn't white, now i hate no one, not even annoying atheists. So i for one prove your assertion wrong.
"magical cloud men!" Again, i'm not a pagan. There are no cloud men!
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@blahdelablah Your analogy would only work if the doctor predicts that I MAY get cancer in the future, and I then doubt their prediction based upon other factors.
Doctors have been proven wrong on many occasions, for example: I've read numerous stories of mothers being told to abort their baby because it will not survive outside the womb or have debilitating birth defects, only for the birth to go ahead and the baby turns out to be perfectly normal and healthy. Again, they don't have a crystal ball or a time machine, so their predictions have to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Also, when climate scientists said recently that climate change will make natural disasters 'more likely', this has now led the media to directly link every natural disaster to climate change, without evidence. That may not be the fault of the scientists, but the media are not being corrected by them.
They may be right or they may be wrong, but they do not know for certain. And so now climate change has become a doomsday cult for narcissists who lives would have little to no meaning without their saviour complex. It's incredible irresponsible how climate change is being framed.
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+Brian Johnson,
"stories written to control the masses" No, metaphors used to guide people to become more virtuous. Despite what you might think humanity is not inherently good, in fact, we're largely self-serving and can be down-right evil at times. Anyone who has studied ancient history knows this well.
The reality is that you yourself are ethically and culturally Christian, whether you acknowledge this or not. You grew up in a Christian society and your mind has been shaped by Christian presuppositions. You yourself are controlled by presuppositions that you cannot account for outside of a Christian worldview. The only true atheist therefore is a nihilist.
So yeah, 'the masses' need controlling, because if they're not guided towards becoming virtuous, then you get absolute chaos and destruction (see modern Britain).
As for the tithe, this is not an obligation, but nice try.
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+Brian Johnson,
"Animals show compassion without Christianity"
Animals can be compassionate, true, but they can also rip your throat out for no apparent reason. Even a dog will hump (rape) your leg without permission. Looking to the animal kingdom isn't helping your argument Brian.
"It doesn't take a God to know that raping, owning a slave, stoning, insest, and murder are bad"
Yes and no, our natural reason and our conscience tell us it's wrong, but the problem is, any society or any individual can very easily side-step their own reason and conscience if it's beneficial to himself. The obligation to NOT side-step the conscience comes directly from Christianity. Adherence to the conscience in Christianity is obligatory, and this is revolutionary in human history. Just read the histories of ancient Greece, or closer to our own time, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, to see how easily it can be done.
"But your God condones all those things"
Jesus didn't condone rape, slavery, stoning, incest or murder. In fact, Christ reaffirmed that sex outside of a marriage is immoral. He didn't speak about slavery, but never endorsed it. He stopped a prostitute from being stoned "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". He didn't speak about incest, but never endorsed it. And Jesus not only spoke out against murder, but said that even thinking about it was a sin. As for the Old Testement, these were temporary laws imposed for a specific purpose, which passed with the coming of Christ.
"And yes I've read your book. It's the easiest way to become an ATHEIST."
I've probably read it more times than you and i'm fairly secure in my faith. Unlike yourself, i actually tried to understand it by putting in the necessary time and effort.
"If you think that all the animals from the earth that rely on eating other animals, different regions and waters (lake vs ocean) can gather on a boat and survive with no science to back up the fallacies than you're just too far into magic"
The person who wrote the account was thinking only of his specific region. In ancient times distances seemed much larger than they are today, so the author of the text probably thought that the flood affected the whole world, the 'known world' to himself, but didn't know otherwise. You're reading it far too literally and seem to forget that the Bible was written by men, divinely inspired men, but men nontheless.
"Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are true stories as well."
Yes they are. These books reuse classical and religious themes but have simply placed them within a new narrative. The themes are true despite being placed in a fictional narrative. Just because good and evil are explored within fiction, doesn't make good and evil fictional concepts.
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+ Brian Johnson
"You bow down to a God who will send me to eternity in a pit of fire for refusing to believe in him"
What is hell? Being cast in hellfire, or as Jesus often put it: 'cast into outer darkness', is a metaphor for non-existence. It simply means that after death you will die with an unreformed soul, which means you cannot inherit eternal life beyond. God doesn't cast people into hell, YOU cast yourself into hell through your own pride and arrogance. You won't humble or silence yourself enough to let God enter your heart. God is providing you a way out of being 'cast into outer darkness', this is an act of love of His part, but you refuse to accept it. Your the fool.
"I can't think if one thing I've possibly done in this lifetime worthy of that punishment"
Can you think on one thing you've done to be given the wonderful gift of being born a human capable of higher reasoning and being able to contemplate your existence? God gave the gift which you take for granted, God gave you the very ability to curse him, lol, "shall the clay rise up in pride against him that fashioned it?". God isn't going to cast you into hell, you will simply go back into the nothingness from which God made you out of. He's simply taking back his gift which you defiled and refused to use for the glory it's maker.
"And even if I were to suddenly accept Jesus I would then enter the kingdom of Heaven full of people I didn't want to spend my life while my true friends are burning"
No, you would enter into a brotherhood of love, forever surrounded by those who were entirely selfless and righteous during this lifetime. Your friends may get there still, depending on their level of internal reformation. Do you have to accept Jesus in order to get to heaven? Not necessarily, remember that during the resurrection Christ spent three days in 'Hell' releasing those 'Christians before Christ' or 'virtuous pagans' who were lost in limbo because Christ had yet to be born. Limbo is not quite hell, more somewhere inbetween. So no, not all your good friends, who are probably ethically and culturally Christian, will go onto eternal punishment or non-existence.
"I want you to have a great life full of love and happiness. I choose to find this through family and friends."
Thankyou, i wish that for you too. I personally found that happiness not in family or friends, i found it in God. Friends and family may let you down and will eventually die, which is the common lot of all mankind, but God is a faithful friend until the end. I want people to experience the same and go onto eternal life, my intentions are only for the good of all people.
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@SCI_WALKER It's not fascist to recognise and adhere to natural law. Pushing 'equality' actually leads to totalitarianism because it has to be imposed upon society by the state from the top-down, whereas Christianity creates self-reliant people who police their own conscience, without the state, from the bottom-up. You'll learn this very soon.
"A society which tries to keep its citizens in 'perpetual childhood': it will seek to preserve their happiness, but it chooses to be the sole agent and only arbiter of that happiness. Society will develop a new type of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate ... it does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which government is the shepherd" - de Tocqueville
Welcome to the modern world.
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@judegrindvoll8467 I normally would agree, but when boys are denigrated at home, at school, in movies, in games, on television, and then when grown up: in university, in the workplace, by female friends, by wives, by society itself, it begins to wear a man down. His self-worth begins to dwindle and his entire existence as a man brought into question. His effort are reduced to naught by power of the state working tirelessly in favour of women. Some men get lucky of course, but many do not, and those numbers are increasing.
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Sven Tempest
"as soon as the scientific method is applied to some hot button topic, you throw science aside"
That's not what I'm doing at all. The scientific method does not and cannot determine the ethics of something. As G. K. Chesterton wrote: "A madman is not someone who has lost his reason, a madman is someone who has lost everything but his reason". The trope of the mad scientist has a basis in reality. I bet even Harold Shipman thought he was doing some good by killing off elderly people.
The science can say what it says, but the only thing that needs to be known is this: If it was not for that act of aggression in the womb against the unborn, it would have grown into a viable human baby. This is not like wasting sperm or an egg, this was a seperate and distinct life in the rudementary stages of its life. To end that life is a wicked moral crime, and it's justifaction cannot be called anything other than pure evil, for afterall: "even satan masquerades as an angel of light". You're blinded by cold facts and figures, and the word of a man in a white lab coat, the new priesthood of a godless generation.
And it's amazing how wrong you are about me. You may think i only believe what i do to spite 'lefties' or to simply win an argument, but i actually DO believe what i write. I've thought very deeply about them and if you can prove me wrong, then do so, i'm listening.
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"It's almost as though, all you really want, is to argue. Until you feel like you won. Usually by the other person getting bored of your childish tantrums.."
How do you know it isn't you who really wants to argue, and feel as if you've won, and having a tantrum? How do you know this isn't just projection? Yes, I want to 'win' because i know if i don't that lies and misinformation then spread like wildfire, consuming the dry minds of the impulsive and uninformed.
And yeah, of course it's 'feelings over facts', but in ethics it's about upholding reasonable objections to unethical practises, not an irrational disregard of evidence to suit an ideological agenda. I feel it's wrong to murder the disabled, but you can make all sorts of reasonable arguments to why it's ok to 'put them out of their misery' or to 'decrease the surplus population', or to 'save state funds for more worthwhile projects and recipients'. The mad scientist is a rational entity, he's just devoid of feeling.
And a coma patient meets the same criteria for abortion of an unborn 'fetus' in the second trimester. "He isn't conscious" therefore it's ok to end his life, afterall, he's just a burden.
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@ Vesolus,
I'm all for scientific empirical evidence, but the study of the natural world is only half of the answer.
G. K. Chesterton once wrote: "A madman is not someone who has lost his reason, but someone who has lost everything but his reason". This quote perfectly reveals why religion and philosophy are as much a necessity as scientific enquiry. Man cannot live on facts alone, many who have done so have rationalised their way to absolute evil, which is nicely displayed in the novel Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky.
People who spread the idea that religion is now an unneccesary 'crutch' have never lived in a society free of religious belief. As i've pointed out in other comments, very few people are consistently atheistic; most atheists are ethically Christian, whether they acknowledge it or not, and if they weren't, it wouldn't be the utopia they think it would.
"As societies develop religious attendance drops."
But religious thinking does not. Even the least religious countries (Scandinavian) are not without their superstition and ideology. These countries have simply replaced religion with statism and a Leftist superstition, and paganism is the fastest growing religion there. Atheism in Scandinavia just opened the door to even more superstition.
The evidence for God is in the human heart: "from the knowledge of myself i shall go onwards to the knowledge of God." Belief in God is mystically discovered, which is why God is described as: "Deeply hidden yet intimately present". This is something for each individual to discover, the church is simply the guide.
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"You claim that empirical evidence is not enough and I say that is not good enough."
And that's entirely your volition, which is why Christians don't force people to believe (Islam on the other hand...). I'm merely making the argument that less religion does not necessarily equal more reason, but even if it did, that reason alone isn't enough to create social cohesion or prevent bloodshed. You can keep our Christian ethics if you like (best of luck to you), but when a generation arises which says: "Why keep up the pretence?", then don't complain when the beast is unleashed, we're starting to see this happening already.
"You make connections where there are only correlations and you misrepresent culture as religion."
No, no, no. Don't get me wrong here. I fully understand the different between nature and grace, faith and reason, i never conflated the two. When i talk about culture and ethics i'm talking about natural law (which we believe was instituted by God, but exists despite God and religion). Atheists could come to the same conclusions as Christians regarding morality, but you cannot apply obligations to morality. An atheist can say: "stealing is wrong" but can still find a way to justify stealing using reason, a Christian can say: "stealing is wrong" but can never justify the act because the very act itself is wrong and actively harms the soul of the individual. This is why your plan will ultimately fail in the long run.
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"Your obsessive belief deprives you of the very humanity that would forgive a starving child for stealing bread and I do not envy your blindness."
Ah yes, starvation (alongside plague and war), reveal perfectly the savage nature of mankind. For example, the plague in Athens during the Peloponnesian war, the 'Black Death' during the medieval era and the famine of Jerusalem during the Jewish war, are all a witness to mankind's inherent self-serving nature, and to what depths a man will stoop to obtain the bare essentials and prolong his life a few moments more. In times of famine people have killed and eaten their own children (see the Jewish war), such are the wonders of mankind when all pretense of honour and virtue are forcibly removed by necessity. Although having said all that, you shouldn't read too much into my example of stealing, it was only an example to prove a point.
"All I'm saying is that your beliefs are stupid as they are based in traditions that no longer play a useful role in society."
My faith is personal, therefore my 'stupidity' is self-contained. My ethics, on the other hand, are logically sound, and therefore stand firm in the face of opposition. However, Christian morality only makes sense and can only become obligatory when placed with the context of a higher power, without that higher power they cease to be obligations and all pretence goes out of the window. This is the state of our society today with radical leftists decontructing Christian morality while simultaneously making up their own ethical standard, one which is certainly not logically sound and which is slowly dissolving social cohesion. As for it no longer having a useful role in society, well, take note in the next couple of decades as the traditional family is obliterated and personal resposibilty is replaced with statism, it's going to get wild.
"especially in the light of recent events that display institutionalised corruption in the church."
I would personally hang all child molestors, but they got 'human rights' these days, and child-molestors are concidered 'victims of their upbringing and environment', therefore not capable of being held responsible for their crimes.
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@Arfur Fuxxakes Yeah, my mind is so closed and yet i'm not the one parroting the same-old 'sky fairy' rhetoric.
Catholicism adopted much of Greek and Roman pagan philosophy, mythology and symbolism, so much so that Protestants accuse us incessantly of being pagan. Some Christians would be ashamed of it, i personally value the absorption of the best that paganism could produce, alongside the truth of Christ. And there's nothing wrong with a pix'n'mix, truth is often hard to clearly define.
My 'crutch' is self-knowledge; the knowledge of who and what i am, to the point where i don't claim to be absolute master of my own destiny. Like Oedipus, we're all subject to fate, and none of us are certain even to live to see tomorrow. I'll put my trust in Christ.
God doesn't send anyone to hell, you send yourself to hell for turning away from God. And what will the fires of hell feed upon but your sins? Hell is reserved for the proud, heaven for the humble.
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@Arfur Fuxxakes I'm high on life mate, come join me.
Are billions of people around the world not rational? Are Christians who happen to be scientists, philosophers, professors, historians, doctors, etc.....also not rational? Christians use faith in the belief about God and the afterlife, and use reason and logic for everything else in the natural world. But what you're really trying to say is: that only you, and handful of others, are rational people. Sounds more like arrogance than rationality.
Religion is about controlling the simple-minded? Of course, simple-minded people are dangerous. Religion is a guide for those incapable of thinking through their ill-thought-out ideas, and those incapable of controlling their irrational desires. Religion frees a man from slavery to his irrational desires (lust, anger, sloth, greed, envy), the natural proclivities of mankind. Mankind in the bare is a savage creature, just read ancient history or your local newspaper. You live in a successful Christian civilisation where mankind has be elivated to sainthood, but you foolishly believe this is the natural state of humanity.
The lord is not your shepherd.......because you live in a successful and comfortable Christian civilisation where you can live as a saint without acknowledging the founder. Your living at home with your parents and enjoying the benefits of the labour. Your standing on the shoulders of giants.
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+Proud Murtadd,
Comparing Christianity with Islam is like comparing a high-performance sports car with an hundred year old model T ford. Them both being vehicles and both having an engine and four wheels may give them a certain similarity, yet subtle differences under the bonnet provide huge dramatic differences in performance. Similarly, Christianity and Islam may both be Abrahamic religions, yet subtle differences in doctrine result in huge dramatic differences in the performance of society.
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Christianity - Believes God is the sole and final judge, jury and executioner of sin (when it comes to sexual immorality).
Islam - Believes they should be the sole and final judge, jury and executioner of sexual sin.
One brings about a free society, the other, a theocracy. Therefore both are not the same, Islam being the worse of the two, if you care about individual liberty. But you can only have individual liberty in a society where people are not sexually immoral, and Christianity is the only religion which discourages sexual immorality while allowing people the freedom to do so.
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@Martial-Mat Christians don't look to an external entity for a sense of morality either. Morality is in-built or hardwired into every human soul (including the atheist), we simply recognise the author of that conscience. This grounds morality in an authority and makes every excuse to side-step the conscience null and void. And it's not just the fear of eternal punishment that prevents us from doing evil. For example: Stealing is wrong, but you could argue that stealing something that nobody is going to miss would be ok, but the very act of stealing itself harms you within, without there being a direct victim. Christians ethics keeps people on the straight and narrow, no excuses.
The 'threat' of eternal punishment is not a threat, it's simply a statement of fact. Do X and Y will follow. Hell is simply an eternal seperation from God, i.e: non-existence (Jesus called it 'outer darkness'). God doesn't send anyone to hell, you send yourself to hell by your pride.
And we all need salvation, there is no man alive who is not subject to the irrational desires of the body. You sometimes do things you didn't wish to do, and sometimes didn't do things you ought to have done. We're all failures, we all fall short of what is expected of us. These are our sins, these are things which bar us from knowing a greater reality.
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@respectfullyconfused3458 We're talking about sexual morality here, not technology, so your internet analogy is a false equivalence. Also, i never said it couldn't be done; behind closed doors is fine with me, i'm simply saying it was never intended, that it isn't the equal opposite of being straight and that it shouldn't be celebrated as a lifestyle. Although having said that, the internet certainly is a double-edged sword and is similar to the industrial revolution in it's impact on society, but as we're currently living through the rudimentary stages of this process, we're not yet capable of seeing how impactful it is, whether good or ill.
"If everything that doesn't produce a baby or is supposed to occur in animals is immoral, then you might as well stop literally everything you are doing other than pumping out kids."
Again, we talking about the realm of sexual morality. It's not a just case of 'pumping out kids', it's simply about recognising that that is the entire purpose. For example: Eating is to sustain life, that doesn't mean we cannot enjoy food, but when you overindulge and consume things not good for human health, then you are deviating from what is necessary. You can freely choose to do this of course, but don't try and rewrite the rule book by saying obesity is normal and to be celebrated.
"we've transcended animals clearly with our intelligent advancements"
True, but some people still believe the earth is flat and that 2+2=5.
"Gays can "preach" whatever they want to preach just like you can preach whatever shit you want to preach without being forced to "keep it behind closed doors"."
Certainly, but when you enter the public forum and begin to preach, then prepare to defend yourself. No one is free from criticism, especially when it's you who begin proceedings and you who are asking to rewrite the entire rule book. I'm not transgressing natural law but upholding it (to the benefit of our civilsation) so my voice has weight and should be applied to society. It's not my will i'm applying, but the will of the Creator. When certain groups wish to use the power of the state to not only facilitate their wilful degeneracy, but also to disregard and destroy the natural order, then the exception has ceased to be the exception and the rule has cease to be the rule.
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@ohwellwhateverr So basically, you have no counter argument, great. If it's wrong to vilify 'love' then why are you not demanding that incest be legalised? If mutual feeling is all that is required to determine sexual morality, then please be consistent with that position. As i've already stated, homosexuality is natural but not intended, as it's a deviation, there's nothing more to understand. The fact that gay men can produce semen disproves your assertion that nature causes homosexuality to reduce the population. You could argue that it's true of people who are infertile (which i don't believe), but if it's true for homosexuals you would expect them to be born as an entirely seperate class of human without the ability to procreate, but this isn't observed. As to your personal insults towards me, i'd like you to show me where i've ever used any derogatory remarks towards anyone else here. Not only have i been polite, but i've tried to keep my argument generalised and not targeted to any individual. I have also previously stated that i support everyone's right to live how they please without interference (natural rights), but that i object to ideology being imposed upon society (gay marriage, adoption, indoctrination of children, etc...). My position is based upon natural law, yours is the ideological position. I'm neutral, your not.
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@s.tagerius2514
"if sex between two animals of the same sex was not intended by nature, it would not occur."
That's like saying cancer is intended to occure in humans because it sometimes happens, and yet the intended state of a human is perfect health, evidenced by the fact that the majority are, or is cancer a way of decreasing population in your view? And sex-same animals don't have sex, they perform sodomy in the rectum, which is not intended to be done, evidenced by the damage it can cause and it being incapable of bringing forth conception.
"One theory as to why same-sex sexual activity occurs in nature is because nature requires a population control so as to avoid too much competition in nature."
If that's the case then we wouldn't expect to see cases of homosexuality in sparsely populated peoples, and yet we do. And we would also expect them not to have the ability to produce semen, and yet they do.
"marriage isn't objectively important, as plenty of people have good relationships without being married"
This is a consequence of living in the Western world alongside a majority which do in fact get married and provide stability for children, but this bubble is soon about to burst.
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Bob_Dole,
'Hate' is just a disagreeable response to someone elses perspective. What is hate to you isn't hate to me, and what is hate to me isn't hate to you. No one wakes up in the morning and says "i'm going to hate today", it just doesn't happen.
It's like the abortion debate, one side think they're taking away women's rights, the other thinks they're murdering a baby, both have a different perspective that makes them come to radically different conclusions, yet both have good intentions.
As to the afterlife, God will judge those who trangress moral law and fail to love their neighbour (all people). I don't hate gays, i simply recognise that sodomy is the misuse of the sex organs and therefore sinful. Being born gay isn't a sin, but practising sodomy is a sin. As i wish all people to get to heaven, i have to speak uncomfortable truths. So what you describe as 'hate' is in fact a loving act.
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@Arfur Fuxxakes Heaven is a timeless eternity, an eternal present. When the happy saint of God is welcomed in by the narrow gate he becomes love itself. You don't do anything in heaven, because there in no time; no time, no possibility of change. In this realm you have the fullest security, no tears will be shed, only the persistent enjoyment of the divine wonder.
I believe in heaven by faith and hope for it. I believe that divine love in a repentant soul can never die. I would never force anyone to believe as i do, but i would wish them too, because this love is all consuming.
And no, you won't 'burn' in hell. An eternal seperation from God IS hell. What awaits the unrepentant soul is eternal non-being, or for the more virtuous, captured in a sort of limbo, a lost place for lost people.
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Kalvin Clein You're conflating human nature with religion. Division, bigotry and war, are a part of human nature. These things can manifest under any guise: religion, politics, tribalism, football, cults, etc....
We still see division, bigotry and war, despite the west becoming increasingly secular. Political division in the western world (Trump vs. Biden, Brexit vs. Remain, etc...) for example, has lead to violence and hatred. Human nature will always find a way to conflict. Religion actually tries to rectify this by teaching love thy neighbour and doing good works. It's not perfect but it seems to work for the most part.
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@AcidR3action
A happy slavery or a sad liberty, which is worse? Being a child is a happy slavery, but when we reach a certain age, that happy slavery becomes a burden to the soul. We instinctly know that in order to grow as an individual we must fly the nest. At first this is a sad liberty because the comfort of our childhood is over, but we know that the only way to grow is to accept and embrace the sad liberty of adult responsibility, which comes with the possibility of failure, but if successful, consequently turns to a happy liberty. So the whole purpose of free will is growth. But of course this is only because WE freely chose duality over the garden of Eden, we flew the nest. The whole purpose of Christianity is to, once again, become a happy slave to Christ, but this time it's by our own volition.
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@s.tagerius2514 That's unbelievably disingenuous. You know that slavery was outlawed for the first time in the history of the world by Willaim Wilberforce, you know this, you can't be this ignorant of history. The parts of the bible that 'support' slavery are either historical descriptions of slavery taking place, or commands given to the Jews, note JEWS, i,e: Not Christians, Jesus didn't support slavery as an institution.
Tolerance is a Christian value.
No one has forced you to obey anything, what are you even talking about? Christianity allows the freedom of choice, Islam does not.
Seriously, your lack of historical and theological understanding is painful to deal with.
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@tysondog843 Scripture IS the word of God, but only when it's interpreted correctly. If you spin what someone says to mean the complete opposite of what they were actually trying to say, that's being disingenuous. Those 'men in dresses' are specifically trained to deals with the intricacies of the faith, i.e: experts in their field of study. If you want to heal a wound, you go to a doctor. If you want to build a bridge, you hire an architect. If you want to understand scripture in it's pure form, you consult the 'doctors of the church' (philosophers and holy men).
Islam and Christianity are miles apart. Islam is more similar to Judaism (the thing you incorrectly believe is Christianity). So saying that Islam and Christianity are 'similar' is like saying that an F1 sports car is similar to a Ford fiesta, because they both have four wheels and an engine. The subtle difference in theology has huge consequences.
Islam is iconoclastic. Christianity is not.
Islam says 'kill your enemy', Christianity says 'love your enemy'.
Islam says they are judge, jury and executioner of sin. Christianity says God is judge, jury and executioner of sin.
Islam oppresses women and executes homosexuals. Christianity allows women and homosexuals the freedom to live as they please.
Islam demands submission, Christianity values the volition of the individual.
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@gethcreator751
"if he was the all knowing, all powerful god that he is in the Bible why doesn't he correct that mistake?"
A world where we cannot experience suffering and death would be one without free will. Without free will no one can truly love. In order for us to have free-will, we have to live in a world subject to change. We cannot make free choices without that, so God provided a world where it is possible. But having volition not only means us having the ability to choose good, but also to choose evil, and it also mean good and bad things can happen to us, outside of our control.
So why free-will? If God didn't allow for free-will we would call him a tyrant, or maybe we wouldn't even have the ability to call him one. Compelling someone to love you is not true love, therefore God created man with the ability to honestly and freely choose to love him. Ask yourself: Would you prefer to be a happy slave incapable of experiencing suffering, or a free agent but who can experience suffering? Deep down you know that the latter is the prefered (just think back to when you left the 'happy slavery' of parents home), but by accepting Christ, you freely choose to be the former in heaven, a 'happy slave' to God in the next life.
God corrected the 'mistake' through Christ, but now you get to make a free and honest choice.
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@lyndonbauer1703
"Slavery....genocide....violence"
What church are you attending?! You're conflating personal devotion with politics. Any 'religion' which condones slavery and violence is an ideological and political movement in addition to, or disguised in, religion. But none of these things has anything to do with someone's own inner journey to God, therefore it's irrelevant. And i'd like to see the evidence for Christianity condoning slavery and violence. Islam maybe, but not Christianity.
And for every negative action done by the Church, i can give you ten positive. Hypocrites and charlatans exist within every institution, but if the institution preaches peace and unity, then it's the individual at fault, not the organisation.
So you base your voting habits on what a political candidate believes or disbelieves regarding God and the afterlife? So you wouldn't have voted for Tolkien or C. S. Lewis for a political position, but you would have voted for Karl Marx and Stalin? Interesting. Belief or disbelief in the afterlife does not determine intelligence or personal character.
"Violence is inherit in the doctrines of religious belief"
Yeah, Jesus was a violent maniac, lol.
"It's not the cause of all violence granted, but given that it is still very present and explicit why would you still advocate for its use?"
Islam mate, ISLAM. You know this, so just say it.
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I agree again on the identity politics, im also a Christian. Pilger i like, a man of real substance. But like i say, i'm not a Socialist, but im not a foolish Libertarian either, i believe in a balance between the two. I support property rights, but i also currently benefit from the NHS in England, which is a wonderful system, not perfect but when it comes to health, it's just. I'm reading Orwell's novels at the moment, another great man who i'm sure would have interesting things to say if alive
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While things are subject to change, they will always be futile. A happy family will one day be an unhappy family due to the inevitibility and certainty of change, change which inevitably leads to death.
"There is nothing more certain than death, but there is nothing more uncertain than the hour of death."
Placing your hope in this world therefore, is foolish. Eternal life on the other hand is not subject to change. Heaven being eternal means absolute security against the process of change, because change occures only in time; where the present moment of immediate awareness is continuously experiencing new events. We are endulging the senses until the senses can no longer sense. All is leading up to inevitable death, therefore the only conclusion is to prepare for the afterlife.
"Our reward in heaven is to see God, to live with God, and to live with the very life of God. It is to be with God, and to be in God, Who will be all in all. We shall possess God, the highest good. Where the highest good is, there is the highest joy, the supremest happiness, the truest liberty, the most perfect charity. There we shall find eternal security, fullest knowledge, and all that is blissful and beautiful.....O heavenly city, O blessed citizens! What glorious things are said of you! All are rejoicing there at the sight and sound of God's beauty. He is delightful to see and sweet to possess. He is all our reward, and beyond Him there is nothing further to desire. He is the whole of man's good, in this life and the next, for to know and love God is the highest good we may ever attain."
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