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@lollololololololololololo Your numbers are way off. Why would you think there is only 3 world champions as of now? Who are they in your mind?
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@Elguapo12345 You spelled Estrada wrong. Estrada was the only one getting hit with big, clean shots. Estrada was the one losing clearly, slapping and hitting air most of the time. This was a horrible decision. Anyone with eyes can see that.
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@RM_2423 Mexicans are more protected. No one gets gifts the way they do. It's extreme.
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You're painfully deluded. I didn't give Shaw a single round. I gave him a share of one with a 10-10, but the other 9 went to Efe. Shaw didn't do anything but move around like a frightened dear in the headlights and refused to throw any punches. Efe controlled pretty much everything with his jab. Maybe get in touch with Canelo or Arum/Haymon with those scorecards though. They're always looking for people like this who come up with cards as atrocious as this for their guy.
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@lollololololololololololo Can you name me all the Mexicans and Americans who are real champions who fought and beat quality competition and never cherry pick? Tell me who is recognised internationally too like Fury and AJ while you're there?
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@chrisa8069 They do this every week. Have you seen any of them get fined or fired? No. They'll continue to do what they've been doing for decades without any push back.
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@johnny_truth How in the hell has Loma been "Babied"? We're not talking about American and Mexican fighters here. They're babied. Loma fought anyone who would get in the ring with him over 3 weight classes. He drew the Lopez fight but was robbed. Won the Haney fight but was robbed also. This at a weight he really shouldn't be in as he's too small for it. Sorry, but the narrative you're coming out with is actually insane. Explain this babied nonsense you speak of?
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@carolynsanchez3797 You mean the cut from the head clash? That wasn't a scoring punch. It came from Estrada's head. Estrada lost and lost clearly. Those who justify corruption are as bad as those that commit the crime. No integrity or honesty.
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@southpaw1090 It happened again with Postal too. Postal won, but Ramirez got another gift.
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You're right, there. If it goes to the cards, no matter how clearly you win it, you won't get the decision. It's beyond disgusting at this point.
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@RM_2423 Canelo vs Golovkin x2, Canelo vs Lara, Vargas vs Ball, Navarrete vs Conceicao, Valdez vs Conceicao, Martinez vs Cordova, Martinez vs Carmona, Mauricio Lara vs Lugo, Lopez vs Warrington, J Estrada vs Rodriguez x2, J Estrada vs Cortes, S Estrada vs Valle, Lardizabal vs Alvarado, Franco vs A Moloney, Espinoza vs Ramirez, Ramirez vs Postal, Munguia vs Chenko, Munguia vs Hogan, McCaskill vs Ryan, Marlen Esparza's whole career. Let's see you match these gifts.
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@cg13200 Ramirez isn't on Taylor's level. If Ramirez wins, i know why. Postal beat Ramirez even though he was past his best at 37 years old. He was just ripped off in the same way Zepeda was. Taylor wasn't hurt against Postal. What you saw only exists in your head. At no point was he rocked. At no point was he about to go down. He did get hit by a shot and used the ring to gain distance, but nothing else. Thinking that is rocked and about to go down shows you've probably never seen anyone rocked before to think that was anything of the sort. Fighters out for years can have full training camps. Doesn't mean they're in prime fighting shape at the best of their ability. Far from it.
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You can't win a fight when you're walking into punches all the time and barely landing anything yourself. I had it 8/2 for Nina. It was a clear win and a robbery. Maybe learn how to score a fight properly.
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Johnson didn't come close to winning though. Nina landed like 6 to 7 times the punches Johnson did in every round. When Johnson did decide to throw, she missed most of them.
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@minnow2204 British fighters have travelled the most historically and have the greatest resume for wins over seas. No one comes close. The worst is the US. They lose nearly every time they try it which is why it's easier getting blood out of a stone. They travel the least and have the worst resume in history too. But please, list these British fighters that supposedly don't travel? While you're there, tell me why Americans shouldn't have the travel but everyone else should. What is your rational? It can't be money as most of the time the money is better in the UK. Huge offers are put forward only for them to be turned down. No counter offer is forthcoming. And most certainly not to the amount offered to the American.
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Can you tell me which rounds Navarrete won? He only won 3 on my card and was actually dominated.
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@VTvPan The end? You mean the whole of the second half where Sandy beat her up and kept landing clean hard shots and rocking Mayer all over the place. That end? Yeah, sure. We all know who won the fight. And it wasn't Mayer. But enjoy another to go with the thousands of other gift decisions over there. When are you not doing it?
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Did you see Ramirez all bandy on the second knock down? His arms and legs were having a rave in different locations. Did you see the corrupt ref try and protect him again too like the first knock down? Didn't matter, Taylor put him in his place and took the titles that belonged to him.
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@THE_ON3_1990 He's watching the fight i was watching. This was a robbery. But looking at your name, it's clear why you thought Franco won. Not once have i seen a score card from a Mexican that made any sense. You lot justify the most grotesque robberies, whilst claiming fights Mexicans lost as wins. Nobody does bias like you lot. Not even the most corrupt of them all in the Americans.
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That literally makes no sense as Manny is done and the Filipinos have no champions. Japan has plenty. The Philippines are not on that level.
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Lucky to last against Ramirez? Is this some kind of joke or something? The only world level fighter he stopped was Hooker. Jose lost against both Zepeda and Postal but got gift decisions. Now he's fighting Taylor who has only had 1 round of action in 19 months. So he has all the protection and advantages his way.
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Why, do they show themselves to have less power when they travel? If not, maybe don't say anything unless you can justify it with actual evidence other than doing so with absolute bitterness. Only arrogant people slander those who beat their fighters. Learn some respect.
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From the full fight, Nina won clearly. She was jobbed here.
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It wasn't close. Hughes dominated the fight. George had zero answers to the vastly superior boxing ability of Hughes. Any other narrative is story time. Nothing else.
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Tank fights bums and ducks everyone. How can you run the sport when your resume stinks against nothing but cherry picked garbage? Then see him losing some of those fights before he ended it later in the fight. You don't usually get the decision in a robbery. That's how robberies work.
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@alejandrososa919 You'd have to be Maxi's mother to acknowledge the robbery? No, just have the ability to see when one is schooling the other.
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Mayer does not regain champ status. Sandy was for the second time in the US, robbed. Mayer is not the real champ. Sandy is. But this was as predictable as it gets. TopRank is the worst for it. And that's saying something when you see how extreme it is over at PBC and GoldenBoy.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k Where would you get the idea that Hispanic fighters rank 2nd on the ATG list? That doesn't even make any sense.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k I've been around boxing for 40 years. Only children say "Casual" too. How can all Hispanic fighters be 2nd on the ATG list? Where did you get this idea from? Show me. But not only that, you clearly don't know about the many ATG Caucasian fighters in history. There's many more than there is Hispanic fighters. I'm only too happy to educate you. You look as though you need it.
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@talongwatamaghislain9845 Duran has the greater resume on just his Lightweight work than Hearns, Hagler and Leonard do on their entire career work. Don't make me educate you. It will be painful. Duran beat Leonard in the first fight and lost by a point to Hagler who was a natural Middleweight. Claiming it was by a landslide is someone who is blind and clueless. Even though Duran gassed out just past the middle rounds, Hagler still couldn't make use of it and beat him clearly. Then look at the circumstances around the Leonard rematch. If you don't know, i'll happily educate you.
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@Doodle Bob Nobody asked you to. But if your grammar is anything to go by, i expect you to have difficulty reading in the first place.
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@christophersmith2470 Not only is Leo not world class (He hasn't beaten anyone remotely close to being so) but he didn't give Fulton (Who also isn't world class as he hasn't beaten anyone remotely close to being so) a tough fight at all. It was one sided. Wait until Leo fights even a fringe level opponent. He won't be hanging onto that title. TR will probably try and protect him. But hopefully Turki wants the unification with Ball so he can take another title where he should have 3 titles. Only one to go.
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@sAMMYsILVER. The US isn't even in the top 3 in the world. List all the actual world level wins without any funny business and you'll see you have very little. Then compare that to the world level wins from other nations.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn Where are you from? I'm sure Americans have better and more proven fighters than where you're from. But will you tell me where you're from? That's the question. If you think all they have is Crawford, then you clearly don't watch enough boxing to be educated.
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@sAMMYsILVER. More deflection i see. Don't worry, i'll do the work for you... Charlo should not be WBC middleweight champion as he hasn't defended in 2 years. It's why he isn't listed in the top 10. The real champion of the WBC is Adames. No one other than Jack Catterall should hold any titles at LightWelter as he beat the undisputed champion in Josh Taylor but was ripped off due to Toprank promoting the event. It was a lopsided win so it isn't even up for debate. Therefore, Teo, Haney and Rolly are not real champions. Hell, Rolly shouldn't have the WBA on account of him getting dominated by Barroso but getting ripped off due to the usual corruption. Not even Teo should hold a title on account of losing last time out. But you should know all about corruption and who benefits from it all the time. No one should hold any world titles at Lightweight as Lomachenko beat Haney for the undisputed title. But he too was ripped off of a win that anyone who watched who is honest, knows he won. Lamont Roach did not beat Garcia for the WBA Super Featherweight title. Garcia too was ripped off. The US therefore has only 5 champions. They are Jesse Rodriguez, Terrence Crawford, Boots Ennis, Jermell Charlo and O'Shaquie Foster. Now, do you need me to do Mexico as well so i can correct you there too? Maybe then you'll list all these world class wins without any funny business being attached. But i can see why you're insecure as i said. I know the truth. By the way, do you think a country with a lot more people than other nations should be judged without per capita being involved to get a correct reading? That would make no sense and be mathematically incorrect. Could you imagine how many champions other nations would have if they had the numbers the US does? It would be a mismatch. So, when i say the US isn't in the top 3. I mean it. As in factually. With all the logic attached to justify that comment.
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@trojanboxing9873 Nina and Eddie haven't been together for over a year now. He isn't involved here. This is on Dibella and Arum. It was a TopRank card. They're the worst in the business. Then GoldenBoy. Then PBC. But yeah, there does need to be an investigation into it in the US. But they won't do it as it benefits them too much. If it was them getting jibbed away from home all the time, then they'd want to do something.
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@montbrink4700 Golovkin beat Canelo in fights 1 and 2. It was only when Golovkin was shot in fight 3 did Canelo actually get a legitimate win. How does getting dropped twice guarantee a win in a 12 round fight? This when Fury won most of the rounds? Fury won. Nearly everyone who watched it accepts that fact. Clearly you're biased and refuse to acknowledge it because you want to be the ones who benefit from these robberies. Like always.
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@jujuboxing31 Who are these Europeans you talk about? Could you please list them? Did they fold like Nery, Berchelt and Estrada? Do they cheat like Canelo does all the time with his weakening of his opponents with many different ways to gain advantage like a coward? Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.
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@jeremiahturner1701 I truly hope that you mean Sandy should have got the deserved win. If not, that is worrying. And clearly a projection.
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@deansworld2591 So let's get this straight. You think Sandy only landed a few clean shots over 10 rounds? And you're asking me if i watched a different fight? Clearly i did. Sandy landed about 30 or more hard clean punches in every round in the second half. Sandy was also the busier. Forget about "Compubox". If you think the promoter, the judges and the ref can be as dodgy as you can get where we know their names and see their faces, but the faceless people who push some buttons in the back, are supposedly not? LOL. I've counted the shots landed plenty of times for these fights over there. Guess what each and every one comes back as? Their "Stats" has their fighter landing much more than they did. The overseas fighter who actually won, is down as landing much less they they did. What do you know. Shock horror. Please. Give it a go for yourself if you want. Leave belief out of it when you have facts and evidence. Shu Shu did lose and get a gift. Of course the overseas fighter got jibbed. It's expected. The shock is when an overseas fighter get's their deserved win over there.
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They do what they're paid to do. The winner has already been decided beforehand. That's two British fighters named Hughes involved with Lou Dibella that clearly won their fights only to get stiffed.
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@30Boxing No it isn't. Your desperation just wants to believe that so you can take full credit should Ramirez win. It's the only way Americans and Mexicans can win. Just look at all their opponents and tell me what you see? I know how you lot operate. If you're struggling, i'll happily list them for you. All you have to do is ask. Only Americans and Mexicans lose with a stacked deck. No one else does. Estrada was prime and bigger than Gonzales, but a past his prime Gonzales lit up Estrada. But the North American corruption came into play like it always does. Berchelt was the bigger guy against Valdez, but got wreaked by him and knocked stupidly out. Valdez couldn't even do that to bums at the lower weight. The drug and weight cheat Nery just got blown away when he didn't have the size advantage. And against a complete bum who can't box to save his life. hell, the opponent before Figueroa even beat Nery, but he got the robbery. When Canelo didn't cripple his opponent last time out against Saunders, you saw him have a lot of success and made Canelo look stupid with his wild misses for large periods of the fight and was losing. Forget what the judges said. They're corrupt like they are in every Canelo fight. But you see what happens when Canelo fights an opponent ready to go. He's lucky he caused the unfortunate injury otherwise he was well on his way to getting another robbery after losing again. Billy was in full control by the end of the 7th round.
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@josequintero4624 Americans are in second place. Mexicans are in first place. Why, how many can you name for Americans? There's twice as many for Mexicans. Nearly all your titles are through gifts.
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No he didn't. If you think so, you should refrain from scoring any other fight in the future.
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@J.T845 But you said every time he TALKS.
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@HatersHaveOpinion1 No he didn't. What are you talking about? And it's "Lost to" not loss to.
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@RM_2423 Would you like me to list all the smaller, shot, inactive and compromised opponents for you to make the list i've just given you look small?
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@alexmartinez-og8gu You thought Floyd ran against Canelo? No, he didn't. He outclassed Canelo with ease. Now Canelo, he ran in the first Golovkin fight and lost. But as we know, he got a gift. I know you claim anyone who beats your lot as "Track stars" in order to discredit them, but you say nothing when your lot actually are using more movement in fights. It's bitterness and insecurity. You feel this way for a reason. All you do is lose to these "Track stars". You have throughout history. On a level playing field, you lose 9 and a half out of 10 of the time. History details those facts. In fact, you lose this amount against anybody. Look at the results.
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@FhillipFry You clearly know nothing about Aussie boxing history if you think Kambosos is the most accomplished. He's not even close.
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Santiago beat a shot Donaire who who was coming from a second round KO and 13 months out of the ring. Santiago is not on Nakatani's level. Never was. Never will be. Maybe Santiago can find himself another inactive shot fighter coming fresh off a KO to create the perception of being somebody in world boxing. However, he'll be dealt with in the same manner should he take on a fresh active fighter like he did with Nakatani.
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@jamesirvine2579 Close fight or not, Taylor won it. I'd like to see a rematch down the road when both are free to do so. But there's business to take care of elsewhere before that can happen.
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@ironkongpk4849 Mexicans never have and never will run boxing. You barely have any wins at world level without a mass of advanatges attached. Try it and see if you think otherwise. Japan, Ukraine, UK and Russia are the real fighting nations.
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@sAMMYsILVER. I asked for the world level wins from the US, not for you to deflect. By doing that, it shows you're not confident. List all supposed champions from the US, Mexico, and Peurto Rico? I think you have your numbers messed up.
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@sAMMYsILVER. Catterall hasn't lost in that time. So how can this be an invalid argument? Claiming so and so would win is not an argument against actual facts. We're dealing in facts here, not feelings. I think you mean Teo fought and beat a Taylor who was coming off a loss and being out of the ring for 16 months to which he looked like a shot fighter. Had Taylor been at his best, Teo not only would have lost to him as Taylor is a superior fighter, but would have had no wish to fight him. He only did so because he was weakened due to inactivity. You only need to look at Americans and Mexicans fighting those who are inactive, coming off a loss, drained or shot before they fight them. Go and look at the vast majority of their opponents and tell me what you see? Then see what happens to them when they're the ones under these conditions. They lose them all. Catterall has a style that would have him win every round against Teo. Teo is a low level fighter who can't deal with boxers on the back foot. How many times do you need to see him being incapable of fighting on the front foot before you accept this reality? He carefully selects his opponents because he knows he isn't good enough. He lost against Ortiz, Martin and Kambosos for a reason. Taylor was shot due to inactivity, and Loma really was a draw. His only viable win over someone fringe or world class without any funny business is Commey. Nearly everyone who watched the Loma vs Haney fight had Loma winning. Only those from the US claimed otherwise. We know why they'd justify a robbery. They justify all the others too. Are you saying Rolly legitimately stopped Barroso? Barroso dominated and dropped Rolly and had a corrupt ref stop the fight when Barroso didn't even get hit at the time of stoppage. It was in fact Rolly who did. You only need to look at the corruption Toney Weeks as ref has been involved in. All of it in favour of American fighters. The US only has 5 real title holders. That's a fact when looking at the evidence. Claiming a robbery as legitimate is invalid. No matter how biased you are. Do you want to tell me how many Mexicans hold legitimate titles, or do i have to do the work for you again? Are you going to tell me how many legitimate world level wins Americans have without any funny business, or do i have to do that work for you too? Do you even accept per capita as the only way to get a factual and rational reading?
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@sAMMYsILVER. The US actually has 5, not 12 world title holders. I've already shown you the facts. But it seems you're not willing to continue this discussion with someone who is educated. You'd prefer to run off as you know you can't compete with the facts. Typical.
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@decidingpaper6324 He hasn't made a fair point as the US really only has 5 world title holders. The rest are illegitimate. I've already proven that on this very thread. Sammy doesn't wish to engage further with me though as he knows i know my stuff. He only wants to engage with those who don't expose his arguments.
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@sAMMYsILVER. I'll break this down to one point at a time so you can't write a load of nothingness in reply. You agreed Catterall beat Taylor. So if he beat Taylor when he was undisputed and hasn't lost in that time, how can i be dealing in feelings and not facts? All you're doing is firing back at me what i'm saying to you. The huge difference is, i can justify my comments. You agree with them then contradict yourself again. That's why i say you're dealing with feelings over facts. Catterall is the real champion. You agree with that fact as you say he beat Taylor. Now do you understand when i say you're dealing in nothing but feelings?
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn It seems all your replies have been shadow banned due to them containing nothing of any substance. However, you say you're from the country that runs Heavyweight boxing. You're not a Brit or from the Ukraine. So, why lie? Are you too embarrassed to say where you're from? You refuse to actually name the country. Would you like to try that again? But this time, actually name the country.
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@sAMMYsILVER. It's delusion even though you agree that Catterall beat Taylor? So you're delusional then? What you mean is, you want to deflect and shut this discussion down as you know i'll expose every inch of what you write. Catterall clearly beat Taylor and that is based in reality and facts. Those who do not wish to engage in facts and reality are biased and do so to pretend otherwise because it benefits them. But it is all corruption and falsehoods. Nothing you've said has any value what-so-ever. Anyone can cheat and be corrupt. Well, those not good enough otherwise. And that's where you come in. Your fighters are not good enough unless they do so. It's why they need it en mass. They do nothing but lose otherwise. It's why you deflected again when i asked for legitimate world level victories without any funny business. You're clearly insecure about the truth. That has been made very clear by you. You're as dishonest as your fighters. But you live a complete lie.
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@sAMMYsILVER. If it's a delusion to think Catterall is the real champion, then you're delusional as you agree that Catterall clearly won. But now you're contradicting yourself? You're the only one i've seen who thinks Rolly is the real WBA champ after getting dominated by Barroso and not even get hit at time of stoppage. The facts are seen on screen. Only delusion and lies would allow anyone to think differently. Check out the comments on all the fight videos and see who is right and wrong here. See who the delusional one is.
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@ILVER. Look at you are with all the ad hominem attacks. Haha. You're desperate to shut this down. It's different isn't it when delusion is exposed. You even played the same game when the reply was an hour later yesterday. You even questioned my IQ when it came to your comment being shadow banned, you claimed it was my problem and that i should have the IQ to find it. Priceless. You said my arguments were "Filled with baseless claims of robberies" even though you agreed. How can they be baseless when you agree? How can they be baseless when everyone agrees Barroso was ripped off? Your argument is all over the place. It's clear where the delusion is coming from. Oh, by the way. When you said this was eating away at me, learn what projection is. Nothing was eating away at me. But you? Yeah, you gave it away with every post. I think i proved my points quite nicely, don't you?
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@sAMMYsILVER. All you're throwing is ad hominem attacks. You're desperate to shut this down. It's different isn't it when someone can't get away with actual baseless claims . You even played the same game when the reply was an hour later yesterday. You even questioned my IQ when it came to your comment being shadow banned, you claimed it was my problem and that i should have the IQ to find it. Priceless. You said my arguments were "Filled with baseless claims of robberies" even though you agreed. How can they be baseless when you agree? How can they be baseless when everyone agrees Barroso was ripped off? Your argument is all over the place. Oh, by the way. When you said this was eating away at me, learn what projection is. Nothing was eating away at me. It was with you though, you gave it away with every post. I think i proved my points quite nicely, don't you?
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@sAMMYsILVER. Have you resorted to blocking my comments now? It isn't being shadow banned as there isn't anything in the comment that could have it banned. I think that proves my point quite nicely.
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@sAMMYsILVER. How can it be my delusion on display when you said it was baseless that Catterall was robbed even though you agreed he was? How can it be my delusion when you said it was baseless with Rolly getting the robbery even though everyone agrees on all the video's of that fight? Point out the delusion to me? Be specific? You can't. It's clear who is though. You do read the comments. Why would you reply with all your comments otherwise? You just don't like it when your arguments are factually proven incorrect.
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Lou Dibella was involved with the Maxi Hughes decision as well as this one. He even had the audacity to call them both close fights. Maxi and Nina clearly won the fights. They weren't even remotely close.
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@cashree2370 Joyce is the WBO mandatory. And he's not old in fighting terms. He's in his prime and would wreak Ajagba in a very one sided fight that doesn't last long. it would be a violent beating. Dubois would bang him out too.
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Why would Bradley want to be the fighter who got dominated over the fighter who did the dominating?
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@gddd6061 The fact you think Mayer dominated proves his point. Not only did Sandy win the first, she won this fight too. No way she was getting any decision. No one from overseas is. The gifts in the US are en mass. That's all i'm seeing. It's always been bad over there. But it has nothing on the last 6 years.
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@gddd6061 The fact the word "Casual" was used tells me the mental age here. That's for kids. I've been around boxing for decades. And i know what i clearly saw, like i always do with boxing over there. Tell me which rounds Mayer won? Let's see you justify this. But guess what, i know for a fact you won't. You'll deflect and do everything but justify it.
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@jr3753 Who are these great Mexican fighters?
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@webdev7348 You can get marked by just a single jab. The truth is, Nina clearly won and Johnson isn't anywhere near to being even fringe class.
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Navarrete didn't pull the win as he was dominated here. Arum's corrupt judges pulled the "Win" as per usual.
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@Joe_Crow Conceicao clearly won this fight. Please tell me all 7 rounds Navarrete won as he only won 3 on my card. This was another TopRank robbery. Every single Mexican out there has many in their career.
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@torito880 You only get the extra point for a KD in the round you scored the KD in. You don't all of a sudden win any other round because of it. Conceicao was tired in the last round, not wobbling because Navarrete hurt him. Conceicao dominated this fight like he did against Valdez but was again ripped off.
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@Joe_Crow Give me every round Navarrete inflicted damage on canceicao and tell me what the damage was in that round? Navarrete was dominated. He lost. This was nothing but grotesque theft.
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@Joe_Crow I asked you to give me the 7 rounds Navarrete won? Where are they? I also asked you to tell me every round Conceircao was supposedly hurt in and what the damage was. Give me the rounds and the time on the clock. Your answer is vague and non specific. If it's true what you're saying, you'd be able to point it out directly. I know for a fact it isn't true, which is why you can't present any evidence for what you're saying here.
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@deisysanchez1641 So you're saying that anyone who is visibly hurt at any point in a fight, they automatically lose the fight, even if they clearly dominate the round and land a lot more punches than their opponent? Sorry, but that never has been or ever will be the case in scoring criteria. Give me just 7 rounds in which Navarrete won?
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@Joe_Crow Mexicans are the ones who get the most robberies in boxing today... Estrada vs Gonzales 1 and 2 Munguia vs Chenko and Hogan. Canelo vs Golovkin 1 and 2/ Lara. Valdez vs Conceicao. Lopez vs Warrington. Zurdo vs Vlasov. Navarrete vs Conceircao and Wilson. Jose Ramirez vs Postal and Zepeda. Fundora vs Garcia. Barrios vs Akhmedov. Valenzuela vs Spark. Isaac Cruz vs Cabrera. Zepeda vs Lundy. Jo jo Diaz vs Akhmedov. Lardizabal vs Alvarado. Martinez vs Batista and Carmona. Franco vs Moloney. Valladares vs Cuarto. McCaskill vs Ryan and Braekhus. Marlen Esparza vs pretty much most of her resume. These are just some recent ones. If you look throughout history, i'd be here for weeks. You claim that Mexicans get ripped off the most. Could you list all these supposed robberies? You also say Mexicans travel the most which is also not true. Mexicans mostly fight in the US as Mexico doesn't have a proper system so have to ply their trade in the US which is basically their base. Nearly all these robberies listed took place in the US so i don't count that as travelling. Outside of the US, Mexicans hardly ever travel. But if you claim so, then list all these fighters who travelled? Then i'll give you countries who have a serious history in travelling.
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@Joe_Crow No, what you mean is, you can't find the rounds to give to Navarrete so want to make excuses. Don't worry, i knew from the start you couldn't give me these rounds he won. I know exactly what i'm dealing with here.
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@Joe_Crow What happened to you telling me about all these robberies against Mexicans? What happened to you telling me about all these Mexicans who supposedly travel more than any other nation? Don't tell me, you're not going to re-watch all the robberies and Mexicans who travelled, to tell me? Haha. Yeah, same old, same old. Never has anyone from your end justified anything they say. Never.
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Of course Navarrete gave him his sombrero and a hug. He had just been dominated by the guy and saw him get ripped of by the judges.
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@ilan154 Give me 7 rounds in which Navarrete won? Just 7. Navarrete was out-landed in pretty much every round. He came nowhere near close to winning it.
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@ilan154 What happened to giving me all these round Navarrete won? If Navarrete dominated, it should be easy. But you've gone very quiet.
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@Rominator-qw4wm Who got a lucky draw?
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@deisysanchez1641 Not only did Navarrete not beat Conceicao, or come close to doing so, he also didn't land the harder punches overall. Navarrete did drop Conceicao, but when you break it down round by round, Conceicao clearly landed the better punches. I don't doubt you had Navarrete. Mexicans lose nearly every round and get a gift decision, but it gets justified by Mexican fans. They get so many robberies that they think it's normal and legitimate. It's not.
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@Marksman2024 Oh i agree Americans get decisions as well. But Brits and the Japanese? List these Brit and Japanese decisions. Mexicans receive the most in world boxing. That's a fact. I'm happy to list a load of them. But not until you come back with a list of British and Japanese ones.
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@Marksman2024 Rabbit punches are not robberies. What are you talking about? So you clearly made it up when saying Brits and Japanese fighters receive decisions in their favour? You said Brits and Japanese fighters get decisions too. I asked for you to give me a list of decisions in favour of Brits and Japanese fighters. But all you come back with is rabbit punches? How can they be described as robberies to you? For the record, Warrington wasn't to blame for most of the headbutts. Lara was. Lara even split Leigh Woods face open twice in the 2 fights. He just throws his head around when throwing punches.
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@kaynetrowbridge9267 Are you talking about the Stevenson final? Yeah, he did win it. And won it good too. Stevenson won 1 round, but Ramirez definitely won the other two. You'd have to be really incompetent in scoring fights or seriously biased to have Stevenson winning. Pick one.
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@cashree2370 I'm sorry, i don't even know what this is trying to say?
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It was an even fight. But anyone who knows about Mexicans know they can't score a fight to save their life. The most biased too. Awful fan base.
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He didn't even beat Warrington. But he "Kicked ass"? You're not only supposed to win when kicking ass, but to do so clearly. Lopez didn't come close to doing that against Warrington. In fact, Lopez spent half the fight getting beat up and holding on for dear life.
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@P.Alvarez You should look into strawman arguments. You'll see this at the top of the tree. Not only that, but Lara was active while Warrington had been out for 17 months. We all saw how well Lara does when he hasn't got an inactive opponent. He gets dominated.
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@ultrainstinct63 This fight was a draw. And no, Lopez doesn't have good defence. It's atrocious. He hangs his chin out all the time. He's very easy to hit. You clearly don't know what you're watching.
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@ch_raney8801 Lopez was the one holding on for dear life against Warrington. What are you talking about? Who are these Mexicans who don't suck? All the time they're looking for inactive opponents because they're cheating cowards. Whenever they fight an active fighter, they get dominated. But please get back to me with these Mexicans who are supposedly good and i'll point you in the right direction. Also tell me which ones are good to watch. I'll point you in the right direction there too.
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@P.Alvarez Again you're talking senseless. Where did i say Warrington wasn't knocked out? Could you please show me on the video where Warrington was the one who caused the head clashes? I'll show you it was in fact Lara. Just like it was when he split Woods face open with his head in both fights due to over throwing his punches. Ask yourself why Mexicans have gone after a mass of fighters who have been inactive. Ask yourself why only them and the US have so many opponents under these conditions. Those countries alone if you exclude the other, have more inactive opponents than the rest of the boxing world combined. They know the benefits on offer. Look at Canelo again going after an inactive Charlo who has been out for 18 months and is two weight classes smaller when there opponents fans want to see him against who are his weight and active? Why has Canelo got an entire career of opponents like this? Also ask yourself why Mexicans don't have any legit wins against world class opponents without any of this business going on. Huh? They duck active fighters to go after those who are vulnerable to load the table. Look what happened in the second Wood fight where Lara knew he didn't have the advantage of Leigh being inactive so cheated with the weight like so many Mexicans have done throughout history. But it wasn't enough. Lara was dominated with ease with Lara too scared to throw many punches. It changes everything whether you're active or not.
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@ch_raney8801 Lopez was the one holding on for dear life against Warrington. What are you talking about? Who are these Mexicans who don't suck? All the time they're looking for inactive opponents because they're looking for the advantage. Whenever they fight an active fighter, they get dominated. But please get back to me with these Mexicans who are supposedly good and i'll point you in the right direction. Also tell me which ones are good to watch. I'll point you in the right direction there too.
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@ch_raney8801 Show me the round and time on the video of the fight where it's Warrington being at fault? Or deflect and refuse the way i know you're going to do. You believe being inactive is an advantage against an active opponent when you look at the results in world boxing? Sorry, but that is laughable. Estrada fought Cortes whilst being inactive at home but still needed a gift. That was an opponent Estrada handpicked too. He was carefully selected due to Estrada being inactive. He didn't just get thrown in there with anyone. Yet, he still lost the fight. Point out as many actual world class wins for Mexicans where they're not sabotaged or inactive. It should be easy right? Well, give me these names. Eddie is always putting Brits in with Mexicans. He's putting an inactive Benn in against an active Orozco. He wanted to put Ryder in with Munguia but Munguia ducked the fight. But now he's coming off a defeat he's come sniffing round again because he likes opponents who are vulnerable. He put Yafia in with 3 out of his 5 fights thus far in his career. He wanted Martinez to fight Sunny Edwards but Martinez ran away. He's not looking for active fighters like the rest of them. Sunny is now facing Bam which is a better fight. Canelo drained Fielding before fighting him. Canelo gave Callum Smith only 3 weeks to prepare to gain advantage after refusing to fight him before Callum had fought Ryder and saw him struggle. Canelo made it worse knowing that he'd struggle to bring his huge frame down to the weight in 3 weeks. He fought Khan who was a welter for crying out loud whilst being a Middleweight. Lara fought Warrington who had been out for 17 months. Lara fought Wood who had been out for a year. Canelo is fighting a Charlo who is two weight classes smaller and inactive for 18 months. Canelo drained Jacobs even though they were fighting at the same weight. Canelo drained a shot Kovalev who didn't have time to rest from his last gruelling fight which was mere weeks away. I could be here all day giving you all the Mexicans doing this but i don't want to fill the thread with a massive post. It would be easier if you give me opponents of Mexicans who are world level who are active and fighting on a level playing field without any corruption or cheating going on.
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@ch_raney8801 I also asked you to give me these Mexicans who don't suck and are good to watch. Why aren't you answering the question. Also re-watch this fight with Lopez and see how often he's on the back foot. Yet you had the audacity to call other fighters "Runners". The irony is outstanding. Then watch how often he held on to Warrington in their fight and see if your opinion has any value or not.
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@P.Alvarez Which Brit got the judges score cards when he didn't deserve it? What are you talking about? You're just making it up as you go along. Don't worry though, i've known about this fan base for decades. I know exactly what i'm dealing with here. Haha.
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@P.Alvarez Yep, you're deflecting without answering any of the questions. It's because you know you can't as it exposes your fighters. Typical.
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@ch_raney8801 Canelo is one of the most boring fighters out there. Even against opponents he's sabotaged and weakened he goes the distance with. With a proper opponent who is active and has momentum, Canelo loses and looks basic. Navarette fights complete bums. He even needed a corrupt ref to bail him out against one after he got dropped hard by him. Check him out using the ring as well where you called others as "Running" when they did likewise. Anyone looks good against bums. Lara, the guy who was too scared to throw punches when Leigh Wood was closer to his best and not inactive? You thought that was an exciting performance getting dominated and not throwing punches? What. Valdez "Ran" did he not against Berchelt? Did he not hold an awful lot against Navarette as well? More hypocrisy. Felix is a complete bum. Against that Irish bum he was moving off the back foot. Again, a "Runner" according to you. Lopez was hitting air and gloves the vast majority of the time against Warrington. He was moving on the back foot and held on for most of the second half of the fight. You're contradicting yourself and being a hypocrite. Pretending these fighters weren't using the ring and holding is straight lying. Show me where Warrington kept headbutting Lopez like you claim? They both threw at the same time and their heads clashed. No one was at fault. We can go over the fight if you like. Tell me the round and time on the clock and i'll happily justify my position. When someone holds onto you and bends down all the time, you're going to try and get them off you with punches that will hit them behind the head every now and then. That's the fault of the one holding on for dear life. You do know we beat Americans and Mexicans the vast majority of the time we fight don't you? I'll correct you there too if you want. None of them wins will be against inactive opponents like they have over us. Ask yourself why they're the only wins you have over us? Huh? Americans and Mexicans refuse to fight on a level playing field because they know they'll lose the fight otherwise. Just check out all their results to see. Didn't Fury show enough power when knocking Wilder out twice? AJ, Cordina, Wood, Joyce and the likes, have no power? What? Sorry, but that's nonsense.
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@ch_raney8801 Now i'm going to address the "Suck" comment. Canelo loses to anyone world class who is active, has momentum, and allowed a full training camp. Navarrette has a loss to a tomato can. Lara has losses to tomato cans and Wood. He only won against Warrington and Wood the first as they were inactive fighters whilst he was fighting regularly. Lopez has lost to tomato cans and couldn't even beat a damaged Warrington. He got a gift. He couldn't even beat Joet as i had it a draw. Valdez is coming off 3 lopsided defeats in his last 4 fights. Felix couldn't even beat an inactive McKenna coming from a defeat whilst he was active and coming from wins. McKenna is old and shop-worn and isn't even close to being at world level. He's a low level fighter at the end of his career. But he still beat that bum handily. But yet you think these fighters don't suck? Haha. Thanks for the laugh. Tyson Fury is better than all of these no-marks. Yet Josh Taylor is the only one who is decent from the UK. Would that be the Josh Taylor who was dominated by the Brit Jack Catterall? How can Taylor be the only decent one when losing in one sided fashion against Catterall? It doesn't make any sense. Nothing you wrote does. But i'm going to enjoy proving you wrong on all the other points too. You'll deflect then run away. Trust me.
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@ch_raney8801 You've just written another load of nonsense. You answered no questions. I'll stick to one or two points at a time to shut this down. Name every British fighter who was inactive due to, as you say, "Recovering from beat downs from American and Mexican fighters"? Name every UK vs UK match up on DAZN as you seem to think they put nothing on but these kind of fights. Brits fight international opponents nearly every single time. But you claim otherwise. Well, list all of them then.
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@ch_raney8801 Have you run away? I told you you would didn't i. The predictability of it is outright laughable.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn 1) I don't put forward false information. I leave that to the likes of you. I said Brits have the greatest historical resume for overseas wins , which is a fact. Look at the wins these fighters have over fighters from the country they're fighting in... Ted "Kid" Lewis Jack "Kid" Berg Freddie Welsh Lennox Lewis Nigel Benn Jimmy McLarnin Charley White Matt Wells I don't need to give any more names as this will be enough. There's a lot more fighters with overseas wins, but these fighters travelled repeatedly and therefore have enough to prove my point. If not, give the country with more overseas wins? 2) Fury is an Englishman born and raised in England. His family go back 100's of years in England. His Mother was from Northern Ireland, but those in Northern Ireland are British too. Same thing with Calzaghe. He is Welsh, but Wales is part of Great Britain. Not only do you need to up your boxing education, you need to up your education on Geography as well. The UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. All of these are British. That's like saying no one is American or Mexican unless they're native. When looking at the fighters throughout history, that would be nearly all of them. 3) I don't include wins/losses over shot fighters or those who have been weakened so their opponent can gain an advantage. Wins over the likes of a shot Brook or Khan for Crawford stand to reason as wins over shot fighters are easy to come by. When travelling, as it's much harder for the shot fighter than if they were at home. 4) Brits beat Americans and Mexicans the vast majority of the time they fight. Brits don't need to go after inactive fighters, drain them or use other methods to weaken them before fighting them. That would be humiliating. Wouldn't it? But if you think otherwise, list all the wins these two countries have over Brits, and i'll further educate you on the facts like i already have done.
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@lliamson-ld3zn What's wrong, can't you find a nation who has more overseas victories than the UK? I thought it was false in what i said? You've gone awfully quiet. What happened to telling me where you're from? You're not insecure are you? You said you're from the nation who has the Heavyweight champion. But you're not a Brit or Ukrainian. I reckon you're either Mexican or Irish. Come on, don't be shy.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn You are paying attention to me though by the fact you've replied here. That's not even including the other replies that were in fact false information to what i said. Make sure you can back up your comments in future. Being clueless is not a good look. You are definitely Irish or Mexican though. Without a shadow of a doubt.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn *Too When you make a comment, you're supposed to back it up. You actually thought what you said to be true. Only when you were corrected did you want to pretend you didn't mean it. Still have no wish to tell me where you're from? Are you that embarrassed?
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn Yes, it looked like you were too busy making money when you made all your comments. Problem is, it was funny money. Then you woke up and had your cornflakes. We're not debating. A debate is when two or more people discuss a subject where knowledge is exchanged. You could never be accused of having knowledge, so take it easy. Stay away from sugar as well. It will rot your teeth. Kid.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn I'm not the one who needs to do that. Just read all your comments where you tried to claim you were trolling. That's when somebody needs to get a life.
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You mean the robbery and corruption he was dealt in the Franco fight? Franco didn't win in any way.
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@montbrink4700 What, like all the other robberies throughout history where the American got the robbery decision? Look at those supposed "Record books". Incompetence would mean the decision being pretty split on who gets it. But guess what, the American gets it every time. Every time. The only other nation to get all the robberies is Mexico. How many fights can you name where an American or Mexican won a fight but got robbed outside of Pacquiao vs Marquez 3? There's a mass of history to choose from as well. But it's all the same. It goes to these two and these two only.
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@montbrink4700 I'm not the one who is biased here. Golovkin won as the vast majority agree. Hell, even his corrupt judges could only give him a draw. Does that alone not tell you anything. But i know why you want to claim Canelo wins as you're trying to make Floyd look better. If you think running around the ring in the first fight is "Boxing beautifully", then good look to you. Canelo doesn't box like that and it showed, as he's not very good on the backfoot. He lost the fight. I know how to score. I don't care for your agenda.
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@johnny_truth Give me exclusives to Loma in being babied and spoiled that Americans and Mexicans don't have against them? Hell, look at how extreme Lopez is. But that's typical for Americans. Nearly all of them behave like that. But Loma? No, you're just projecting and slandering as per usual. The fact you think Lopez destroyed him in what should have been a draw tells me all i need to know about you. The only one who got a bit beat up in that fight was Lopez. Lopez landed a couple more punches to win his rounds in a cautious manner. Then look at the rounds Loma won and see a huge difference. Had Salido had points taken for the mass of low blows he dished out, Loma would have won the fight. The ref did not do his job properly. Then you add in the fact Salido weight cheated by coming into the fight way over the limit to give him an advantage. To think it was the other way round in that Loma was babied is pure crazy.
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@montbrink4700 You're one of the few to think that. Not even Canelo's judges did. That tells you everything you need to know. Have you found any fights were the robbery was against the American? Then rest my case. You didn't answer why you think getting dropped twice would automatically win you the fight over 12 rounds? Winning 2 rounds with a KD in each would get you 4 points. That leaves 10 rounds left to play with and 10 points on offer if they're 10-9 rounds.
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@TBE99 Loma hasn't even faced Conceicao. You're just making things up in your head. Teo didn't beat Loma, it was a draw. But if you look at the rounds each of them won in that fight, only one of them came under the description of "Getting whooped" and it wasn't Loma. Loma beat Haney. That's why he was rattled in the corner and in his interview. Salido came in well overweight and hit low all night without any points taken. Had they been, Loma would have won the fight. Loma beat Ortiz after being out for some time due to the war. The only one here showing a bias where skin colour is concerned and getting privilege, is black Americans. Just look at all the robberies you have committed against overseas fighters. It's disgusting. As is your clear racism.
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At getting gifts. At getting inactive opponents. Absolutely. But in no other area, that's for sure.
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Andy is in fact, English. Born and raised. He didn't move to Ireland until he was 14.
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No, he really didn't. Even Ford knew he lost. He wasn't active enough.
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@jimbfrysanchez2367 That wasn't Conceicao being hurt. That was Conceicao being tired. There's a huge difference.
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@Tonybalboni I don't think Leo is some scrub. But he certainly isn't world class. You have to beat world class opponents to prove that. Leo hasn't come close. Same with Lopez. He really lost against a damaged Warrington who had him holding on for dear life and rocking him in the second half. He really drew with a way past his best Joet but got a horribly wide UD. Joet at no point in his prime was he world level. Let alone the pointy he fought him. He beat a damaged Conlan who wasn't the same after the Wood fight. So seriously, who has Lopez beaten? Absolutely no one.
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@decidingpaper6324 Apart from one head clash, what did Warrington do? In the second half, Lopez was holding a lot which is against the rules. Do it here and there. That's fine. But if it's excessive, then it's not.
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@decidingpaper6324 The back of the head shots were due to Lopez holding all the time. Warrington was trying to get him off. If you don't want to risk getting hit there, don't hold so much and it won't happen. The head clashes come from both stepping in and letting their hands go. With the activity Warrington has by throwing in combinations all the time, that unfortunately will tend to happen here and there. He's not intentionally headbutting opponents.
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@decidingpaper6324 Show me anywhere in the fight where Warrington hit Lopez behind the back of the head without him holding on first? When an opponent clinches you, many fighters will look for short head shots. But the one holding will look to turn their head away from them and show the back of their head. There was one head clash with Kiko. But his face looked like that due to Warrington landing a load of punches to the face. Warrington throws a lot. It will tend to happen. Every single clash of heads with Lara was in fact down to Lara overthrowing with his shots, missing, then falling in with his head. Go and watch it again. Trust me. He did the same with Wood in both fights. His complaining was just trying to get the ref on side and not get a point deduction. But that was all him.
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@decidingpaper6324 I did say it only happened once in the Lopez fight. But you can clearly see that it was accidental with Warrington throwing the overhand right and their heads slightly clashing. With any elbows being used, that will again to try and get Lopez from clinching him. Loads of fighters do it to try and get their opponent off them. You're not allowed to excessively clinch. I think you may have a different highlights on the Kiko fight. Nothing happens on both time-stamps you put. Are you watching the DAZN highlights?
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@decidingpaper6324 At 2:07 they're standing at a distance from each other. Then at 2:08, Josh lands a jab. By the time 2:40 comes up, Kiko is already on the canvas after being dropped a few seconds earlier.
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@decidingpaper6324 I'm watching the DAZN highlight. There's the full fight and a highlight from DAZN. The highlight i'm watching has 14:32 run time on the Youtube video. I don't see any more video's from DAZN other than those two.
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@decidingpaper6324 Strange. I don't see another highlight other than the one with the run time i gave. Are you in the UK? Maybe if you're somewhere else you get a different video? give me the round and the time on the DAZN clock for the time stamps.
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@decidingpaper6324 That makes sense then. We get different video's based on which country we're in. In the first one, Kiko's right hand pushes Warrington's head down with the force a bit and he springs up with his own shot. I don't see that being reckless. On the second one, if you slow the video down, you see the head doesn't make contact with Kiko. It just looks like it does because it comes close. The edit you made for 2:48 of round 1 is just Warrington landing a jab. Their heads are even close enough to clash.
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@decidingpaper6324 True, they do happen often. But it's just the fact he throws loads of shots that increases the chances of that happening. I don't even think he could limit what he throws at this point as it's far too ingrained now.
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@deansworld2591 You could have been in the very ring they were fighting in. It still means you can't score a fight. Either that or you're justifying another gift over there to go with the many thousands and thousands that happen to overseas fighters. This is twice now Sandy has won over there and had her titles stolen.
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@deansworld2591 Yes. They are wrong if they had Mayer winning. But why wouldn't they support their fighter winning over an overseas opponent? You bet for Ryan to win? You're not very clued up are you. When i saw Ryan was the favourite, i knew how the cards were going to be so i bet big on Mayer. The predictable happened like it always does. Especially on TopRank. It was free money. Wait, Ryan was the gassed one? You're getting everything the other way round. With everything. I think YOU need to watch it again. Most of Mayer's combo's actually hit gloves, whereas most of Ryan's hit Mayer clean in the face. Mayer was getting rocked in most rounds with constant clean punches. Can you find the full fight on here? I can. I'll happily go through every round with you and see what answers you have to my questions. I'll back everything i've said up. The thing is, the predictable will happen without fail. But let's see. You may shock me.
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@deansworld2591 I asked you if you can get the whole fight on here and we'll go through it. In fact, anywhere you can get the full fight is fine by me. So?
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@AndresAndres-q5h Why would i go over just 2 rounds? Let's go over the whole 10 rounds. They're only 2 minute rounds. Can you get the full fight on here? You don't think many of Mayer's shots were hitting gloves? If you go through the fight with me, i'll happily show you all the times it happened. As well as the amount of times Sandy was hitting Mayer at will with hard clean shots. Sandy did throw from too far out at times. But nowhere near to as many times as Mayer hit gloves.
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@deansworld2591 I asked if you had access to the full fight so we can go over it? So?
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@AndresAndres-q5h What??? It's like me saying "Sandy won because Mayer needed rounds 5 and 9. Let's go over just those 2 rounds to prove Sandy won the fight". LOL. Mayer landed a few light uppercuts on the inside. Sandy was hitting her constantly from that position. It's why Mayer kept on holding all the time. If you refuse to go over the fight and prove it like i can, then you have no faith in your argument. We can even get the exact amount of punches landed by either side and not use the fraudulent TopRank compubox. We can use evidence for who had the better of it from whichever range. It's all there on video.
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@AndresAndres-q5h Mayer landed mostly with the hooks. Her 1 2's weren't landing much at all. Go over the fight with me and i'll be able to prove it.
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@AndresAndres-q5h Are you going to go over the fight or what? I'm waiting. We can then break the rounds down and see what is what. But you don't seem to want to do that. You can't believe i gave Sandy those rounds? I haven't even given you the rounds i scored to Sandy. LOL. You're seeing many things that are not even there.
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@lollololololololololololo Do you know there shouldn't be any Mexicans holding world titles? It's true.
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@johnny_truth How does Loma only win two rounds when he won the fight? Lie all you want about the mass corruption in the US, but it's happening all over the place. Loma, like so many who win in the US, was robbed. Guess who gets all the decisions in robberies? They come from two countries only.
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@cartiershades3392 Why would Loma need to KO or knock down his opponent to win a fight? Did Haney do any of that? Then by your "Logic", he didn't win did he? You're a hypocrite who doesn't think in a rational manner. Do you know what a strawman argument is? You're doing nothing but. Loma supposedly lost because he knocked Nakatani out but didn't do likewise to Haney? Great logic. Makes perfect sense that. Loma controlled the vast majority of the fight in offence and defence. He made Haney miss an awful lot. That's why Haney said what he did in the corner and why he was so rattled in his interview after the fight. It was corruption like it always is in the US. Only Americans and Mexicans get robberies in your country for obvious reasons. It's why you couldn't give a list of Americans and Mexicans winning a fight but getting robbed on the cards against an overseas fighter. The robberies only go one way.
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@SiLoMixMaster It's a shock when there ISN'T a robbery over there with an overseas fighter. Just in the last 12 months there's been a heap of them. It's the way they are. They stack the deck against you, but if you manage to come out with the win, even if it's clear, they still rip you off with the judges. It's a disgrace.
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@30Boxing Well considering the circumstances of only having 1 round in 19 months, i wouldn't be surprised. Had it been a level playing field however, Ramirez would get a sound beating.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 Canelo is a fraud who is the most corrupt in world boxing. Don't even pretend there isn't a mass of corruption and cheating with Mexican and American fighters. Canelo himself has already failed two drug tests and had 3 robberies to go alongside his sabotaging opponents to make sure they're at their worst when he takes them on. Navarette has only ever fought one world level fighter in Dogboe. Lets see what happens when he fights world level fighters. He had a struggle last time out with a bum. Who the hell is Ray Martinez? Ruiz is actually the one who gets beat. AJ came into the fight with something clearly wrong with him. He went for the finish stupidly while standing square on and swinging with the shorter fighter with the faster hands. You saw why you don't do that when you're the height of AJ. But he just wanted to get the fight over with. You saw Ruiz get dominated and outclassed when AJ was right in the rematch. But you clowns call anyone using any kind of movement as "Running" to excuse the loss, but praise Mexicans when they do it themselves. Look at Sanchez and that grotesquely overrated bum Ricardo Lopez amongst others. Plus, Ruiz is American, not Mexican.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 I think you mean to say that you haver nothing in reply. Plus, the comment about Saunders was posted 6 months ago. But you think i'm still going on about it? Now that is sad.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 I can see by the lack of knowledge on your part that you're lost. Don't worry though, you're in good company. Most Mexicans are just as lost as you.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 You lot love having people's comments removed don't you? You extremists have weaponised the report button. Sad, sad people. You may want to look at the word "Gringo" to see the irony in your comments. You extremist. Now lets see if you have this comment deleted too.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 The argument was already won. The fact you get comments deleted shows who the sad little man is. You're the one who called non Mexicans "Gringo", not me. And yes, Mexicans and Americans get robberies all the time. That is just a fact. To deny it is nothing but more delusion. Don't get involved in anything you can't back up. You just end up looking silly and entitled.
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@axelnajera6887 Mexicans are on top? No they're not. Berchelt got destroyed by a fighter moving up. Munguia was beaten by a journeyman in Hogan but got the gift. Does nothing but duck the top fighters and fights bums. Estrada was well beaten by the smaller and past prime Gonzales, but got the usual robbery Mexicant's get. Canelo is out there doing everything he can to disadvantage his opponents like the punk he clearly is. And the rest are, what? Who have you got? Who have they beaten?
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@mastifaelieo1880 You mean the Ramirez fight in which they actually tried to rip Taylor off in? Did you not see the ref give all that time for Ramirez after the KD's to recover? That's corruption. Then when Taylor had beaten Ramirez clearly by winning 9 of the 12 rounds, they then only give it to Taylor by 2 points. So yeah, they did everything they could to rip Taylor off. Would that be the Salido who also did one of the many things Mexicans use to cheat their opponent and gain advantage by coming in way over weight? He ended up coming into the ring as a Welterweight. Salido should have had points deducted. Had it been the other way round with you witnessing a Mexican on the road getting obviously robbed, you'd be singing a different tune. The amount of corruption in favour of Mexicans is disgusting. Trying to defend it shows you have zero honour and no integrity to speak of.
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@pac-man8661 Aussie's can't box yet Moloney was not only the superior technician in the fight, but actually won it? Just like nearly every other title they have wasn't won by them. They were given it by the judges. It's Mexican's who can't box. They have the least skill in world boxing. They're nothing more than brawlers who just swing punches. They have very little technique. And their footwork? LOL. The least said the better.
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@roninbaltao9248 Is that the only fight you can name? Now look at Mexicans and look how much is there. It's nothing but.
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@roninbaltao9248 You think Australia is in Europe? Which Mexicans have legit world titles that weren't through dodgy decisions? As for thinking Mexico is anywhere near to Europe. LOL. They have wins that weren't gifted. They have proper resumes. Plus, they don't refuse to fight unless they're inactive, shot, coming off a loss, drained etc etc the way yours do all the time. You barely have any wins that aren't tainted. Try it and see if you want. Give me all the world class wins without any funny business being attached to it? While you're there, tell me about all the robberies in Australia considering you claimed it was corrupt.
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@roninbaltao9248 Why do you lot run when someone asks you to justify your claims? You're like your fighters when an opponent who isn't inactive or shot comes calling.
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@roninbaltao9248 Man, you took your time to reply back. Care to answer any of the questions i put to you? I know Canelo is ducking Benavidez. I didn't say otherwise.
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@roninbaltao9248 I have no idea what this has to do with my questions? I know Mexican boxing isn't smart. Why would you think i was claiming that? I said their titles were through ill gotten means across the board. But you said Australia was corrupt. Well, tell me about all these supposed bad decisions there other than Horn against Pacquiao?
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@roninbaltao9248 That's a clear projection. You're the one who clearly does that as you're the one who made comments you can't justify. Ask yourself why you'd make comments you can't justify then act like a child? Hmmm? People like you shouldn't be allowed on the internet.
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@roninbaltao9248 I think you'll find that's a projection considering you can't justify your claims. You're the one who comes under the description of how you described Australia.
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Nearly every single one is through corruption or refusing to face who they should. This is another gift tonight. Guevara didn't win this fight. Not only that, but this wasn't a world title. It's an interim.
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@dlo1009 I don't expect you to have any integrity or honesty. I know you too well. You'll justify it all no matter how extreme it is. But the hilarious irony is, you'll go around claiming that your lot get robbed the most. No, you receive the most and get robbed the least.
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@Wheca Hello you. Do you remember me? I had you deflecting when i corrected all your lies.
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@opendagates8642 Is that all you lot have to say when you get yet another gift? Should we just accept all the corruption and not say anything? If you had this against your lot, you'd be screaming. You're not even on the receiving end of corruption but you still go round in huge numbers claiming you do. That's how extreme this fanbase is.
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@Wheca The delusion is as strong as always i see. It was you who clearly went quiet. And you're still liking your own comments too. LOL.
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@Wheca You made me switch accounts? What? This is the only account i've ever had. But then again, through all the interactions i've had with you, you just make it all up in your head. Delusions know no bounds here. But go on, humour me. How would you know if i switched accounts or not?
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@Wheca How did you make me switch accounts? How would you even know if i did? Everything you say is all made up. All of it.
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@Wheca I asked you how would you know if i switched accounts? What are you basing this on? Nothing is the answer, which is why you can't answer my question. Which champions do you have that are legitimate? Name all of them. I'll correct you. Again.
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@Wheca I can't know anything about switching accounts because it didn't happen. That's why the two times i've asked you how i did, and on what basis, you have provided nothing. Every title we have should be there. But there's many that aren't like Chantelle Cameron, Nicky Ball, Jack Catterall, Nina Hughes, Josh Warrington etc etc. Whereas it's very different for you. Vargas, Espinoza, Estrada, Navarrete, Cruz, Alberto Lopez, Martinez should not hold those titles. That's leaves Zurdo and Canelo. However, if Arsen wasn't inactive for 16 months, they would never have taken that fight. But you know they always target inactivity for the advantage. If Canelo didn't duck the Benavidez fight, he'd also lose his titles. That would factually leave you with none. And that's without getting to the Women's titles that also shouldn't be there. You just don't like these facts. But facts is very much what they are.
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@Wheca I supposedly have an "Aussie" account? You're not very creative are you considering we're talking about an Aussie fighter. But at no point did i see any "Aussie" account when we were engaging on those other comment threads. In fact, i remember them so i'll get back to when i pull them all up to show there isn't any "Aussie" account. Those fighters were out-boxed, and badly? Most of them didn't even face opponents that were boxing. Catterall was the boxer against Taylor and walked him into everything while Taylor looked ragged. Nina Hughes was the boxer whilst Johnson had a high guard walking into everything. Lopez can't box to save his life so that's hilarious. He was just swinging at the guard and hitting fresh air the way he does. In the second half of the fight he held for dear life as he was getting beat up and rocked all over the place. Cameron clearly won the fight against Taylor who kept on throwing flurries and missing most of them. Taylor was also knocked down but it wasn't credited. Anyone who has any knowledge of Taylor knew Cameron was going to get jibbed in the rematch as they tried to do it in the first but it was too one sided. Therefore, what you're saying, is quite clearly made up.
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@Wheca Navarrete was clearly out-boxed and clearly lost against Conceicao. Martinez was beaten not only by Carmona in a boxing lesson, but he got an even bigger boxing lesson last time out against Cordova and only won 2 of the 12 rounds. Estrada has lost his last 3 with the 2 against Rodriguez being clear losses. Especially the second fight. Vargas was forced to run against Ball where he was dropped twice and fell to the floor complaining all night. Cruz shouldn't have the title because Catterall is the real champion. But it gets worse as Rolly was dominated and dropped against Barroso but had a crooked ref to help him out and stop the fight when Rolly didn't even land a single punch at the time of stoppage. Lopez didn't beat Warrington as i've already explained. Yeah, they're not legit. You know this but you'll defend it no matter what. I suppose you had Barboza beating McComb after that one sided affair where Barboza was completely dominated and outclassed.
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@Wheca I write as much as is needed. But at no point was there any "Aussie" account who posted long and detailed comments. As i said, i'll prove it to you when i have a bit of time and pull our past meetings up. There was nothing angry about the truth i gave. You just don't like it. I'm not the one making excuses. Nor do we have overrated fighters. That's you as you can see. Only corruption has you having those titles. That's a straight fact. There is no way you could justify any of them winning. Of course you don't want to continue reading. You can't argue against facts. You'll do as you do every other time and run.
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@Wheca I thought you couldn't be bothered to read any of this? You've changed your tune. LOL. It was close fight in which Cordina won. No one won it clearly. But do please give every round you had to Vasquez? Fury looked rubbish and didn't dominate the way he was predicted to. But when you don't even prepare properly and overlook the guy, that's what happens. But he didn't lose. Ngannou was made to look better through the sheer fact Fury looked bad. But a round isn't scored due to the favourite not dominating as much as they thought he would. Smith won his last fight by stoppage. You're just making it all up. You even said Fury shouldn't have his title because he's going to lose it to Usyk. What???? The fight hasn't happened yet. And he couldn't have lost it to Ngannou because the title wasn't on the line.
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@Wheca Why did you just write 3 separate comments straight after each other? Why couldn't you just put it all in one post? Be specific and tell me what i'm denying? Everyone knows boxing is corrupt and you're the worst in boxing. It happens all the time with you. You just don't have any integrity or honesty. The Martinez/Carmona fight the full 12 and was a MD. It's you who clearly doesn't know what you're talking about. It's very easy to find his record.
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@Wheca Not Rodriguez. Gonzales. I got the names mixed up. Simple mistake. But it wasn't a mistake with you thinking Carmona retired on his stool. Howe can you take someone's belt with ease when they didn't even win? He spent the second half running, getting beat up, rocked, and holding for dear life. Give me your score card on the fight? I'll happily go over the rounds with you and prove you wrong. As for not getting any real wins. Would you like to point out all these real wins for you without the opponent being inactive, drained, shot, or being robbed? Give it a go and you'll see you have hardly anything. Again, that's a fact. You won't find much without something being at play.
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@Wheca I was the one asking you for your cards. Not some "Aussie" account. It was this account. There wasn't anyone around asking the same questions when we were discussing things. You made it up. As i say, you're not very creative considering this is on the video for an Aussie fighter.
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@Wheca What was that about someone going quiet? You really do need to be more mindful about all these projections. Have you found out that Smith actually won his last fight by stoppage where Masternak was the one who retired on his stool? You even said Carmona retied on his stool when it actually went the full distance. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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@Wheca I don't know any "RavenAussie" But i'll look for the name on the other comment sections. Do you accept Smith won his last fight by stoppage? Do you accept Carmona wasn't retired on his stool like you claim? There's no point in bringing up points only for you to deflect all the time.
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@Wheca You're deflecting right now. I know why you're accusing me of having another account. You're claiming it every time i ask a question you can't answer. Do you accept Smith won his last fight by stoppage? Do you accept Carmona wasn't retired on his stool like you claim? There's no point in bringing up points only for you to deflect all the time.
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@Wheca Is this your way of accepting you got it wrong for both? Carmona gave Martinez and his laughable feet a boxing lesson. Just like he got last time out too against Cordova but even worse. Right, let's get into the cards. We'll do one each. I'll even let you go first with the Cordina/Vasquez fight. Give me just 7 rounds Vasquez won?
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@Wheca No, you told me that on this account. You told me on the comment section were you kept on deflecting on the subject of ATG's. I repeatedly asked you to answer the question but you repeatedly refused to. I then put it to you that if you deflected again, you would forfeit the discussion. Quite some time has past since then. So, did you find the other 84 Mexican ATG's you needed? LOL. Did you find the world class fighters the likes of Arce beat too? You said you had the exact same rounds as Bellew but you had a different 12 round. Is that correct? It doesn't matter how bad anyone is. They'll always be someone who they beat, unless they lose every single fight they ever have. But that's rare. Martinez has laughable feet and no skills. The fact that a nobody like Harris could give him a close fight says it all. I think you need to watch the Selby fight again. His laughable feet are on full display. A Selby who didn't even want to box any more due to the death of his Mother. It's why he was out for over a year before the Martinez fight and retired soon after that fight. His head wasn't there any more.
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@Wheca You read my comment and thought it was me admitting switching accounts? Yeah, that's your imagination at play. You said you told that to this Aussie account but it was actually me you said that to, on this account. You gave me fighters who weren't close to being ATG's. You were giving me fighters who didn't even have world class wins. LOL. I asked for your reasoning on how you came to the conclusion they were ATG's. You gave only one source. That being the IBHOF. Well, we have 50 to your 16. I asked what else you had, but you deflected non stop and repeatedly refused. You thinking i went quiet is your imagination again. It was you who went quiet. You're doing it again every time i ask you to answer the question. I asked you if you had the exact same rounds as Bellew other than the 12th round. Is that correct?
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@Wheca You think it's an excuse to acknowledge Harris being a nobody? No, that's a fact. Why, do you think he was world class or something? The story about Selby is also true. Go and read up on it. You can even check the year out and retiring soon after the Martinez fight. Acknowledging reality and facts isn't making an excuse. Do you think every low level Mexican is world class? Would you accept people claiming they were "Exposed" when they predictably lose to a higher level fighter?
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@Wheca Well, you can't score a fight just like Bellew can't. I think you should check out round 2 again as Cordina clearly wins it. Bellew had it for Vasquez. Therefore, Cordina wins. I didn't say Lewis fought Britton over 40 times. I said Lewis had over 40 ATG wins which i listed for you. Even if you removed every win over Britton and half of Lewis' resume, he'd still be a top 10 ATG. You're the one who doesn't know what a great is. You called top 10 ATG Benny Leonard a nobody and put nobodies down in Kid Azteca, Arce and others. Maybe you'd like to tell me who they beat who were world class and stop deflecting like you always do. Catterall, Billam-Smith, Nicky Ball, Fury, Cordina. Leigh Wood should be in there too. That's still 5 or 6 more than you have. All yours are illegitimate. Then when you add in per capita due to you having twice our numbers, it becomes even worse for you.
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@Wheca Bellew scored round 2 to Vasquez. The same way you did. But Vasquez didn't come close to winning the second round. Cordina clearly won it. We can go over the round and check out who clearly outlands the other. Where are the world class wins for Arce and Kid Azteca? Deflect as hard as you like. It only proves you can't justify anything you claim. You don't have 9 champions if they're all illegitimate. Anyone can have a title if it's through ill gotten means. It doesn't make you a real champ.
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@Wheca Per capita isn't the land mass. It's the amount of people the country have. If every person in the UK and Mexico had 1 marble each, they'd both have the exact same amount as each other. But if you add it all up, Mexico would have twice as many as the UK due to the greater numbers they have. It's simple mathematics. Don't worry yourself though, i don't expect you to understand. LOL.
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@Wheca Ball and Catterall are the real champs. The boxing world acknowledges the both of them. Not anyone else.
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@Wheca We'll go over round 2 and count the punch connects for both. We'll put the time on the DAZN clock for each landed punch. Tell me how many punches Vasquez lands, then i'll give you 5 times as many punches which were bigger and better shots than Vasquez landed. And no, the world doesn't think Vasquez won. Just you lot who claim it's a robbery when you lose but then justify every robbery you have. That's why you're actually known as the worst fanbase in boxing.
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@Wheca Arce is not an IBHOF inductee at all. Why would he be, he doesn't have any world class wins. It's why you can't name any. But your contradictions are beyond insane. You claimed actual inductees were nobodies, but here you are claiming an actual nobody is one of the greats. That's how crazy this is. You make no sense at all. Azteca doesn't have over 200+ wins. When did the amount of fights someone had decide whether they're a great or not? It's about world class wins, not the amount of fights had. Name the world class fighters he beat? Go on. I asked you to give me the punch count for the second round. What seems to be the problem other than you not being able to justify anything?
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@Wheca What does the punch count matter? You claim it was a robbery. I'm asking you to justify it. But all you're doing is deflecting when i ask you questions. You wouldn't be claiming it as a robbery if it didn't matter. But i'm willing to correct you on every single point you make. We'd obviously have more champions if it wasn't for robberies. That's the point. And you'd have none if the scores were done properly.
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@Wheca You've gone quiet again. Where is the punch count from the second round that proves Cordina clearly won that round? Where are the world class wins for Arce and Azteca? Hello? LOL.
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@Wheca You can project and gaslight all you want. It won't work. The only one deflecting here is you. You had one question and i answered it. You asked how many world champions we had. Not once during this discussion did you ask about the world class fighters Lewis and Bloom beat. You asked in the last discussion, but i gave a detailed answer to both. Not once during the last discussion or this one have you answered to which world class fighters did Arce and Azteca beat. Nor have you given me the punch count in round 2 between Cordina and Vasquez. A round Cordina clearly won. By deflecting all the time, you just prove you're out of your depth. Just as you proved by claiming someone who has had lots of fights is therefore an ATG. Even though many of our fighters have but you claimed they weren't. You just don't know what you're talking about on any point. It's why you desperately play these games. But you'll never top calling a top 10 ATG in Benny Leonard a nobody or claiming a nobody in Andre Berto was a great fighter because "You knew of his name and could search it on the internet". LOL. Whenever you're ready. Where are the answers?
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@Wheca I asked you what qualified as an ATG the last time about 30 times. Not once did you answer. That's why i said that if you deflected once more, you're forfeiting the discussion. You gave one source and were out-classed 50 to 16 inductees. What else qualifies as one? In order to give ATG's, you first need to know how you came to the conclusion of them being so. But you can't. You can't even come close. All you do is make me laugh.
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@Wheca I answered your question. I gave you the 5 fighters in Ball, Billam-Smith, Catterall, Fury and Cordina. The 6th was Leigh Wood who didn't lose the title in the ring. As i say, play these games all you want, But it's clear what you're doing. We're all here having a good laugh at what you're saying. You don't even know what a world class fighter even is. Nor do you know what an ATG is. It's why you keep deflecting every time i ask you what qualifies as one. Bloom and Lewis have many ATG wins to their name. You're just uneducated. You've made that very clear. If you had the same rounds as Bellew other than the 12th round, that means that Cordina wins the fight if you change Bellew's horrible scoring in the 2nd round. What part of that is proving too difficult for you to understand?
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@Wheca How can you give 5 names that are ATG's if you can't answer to what qualifies as one? We went over this the last time and you couldn't answer. You were just giving any old name. We can do 5 names each as long as you can't explain what qualifies as an ATG. But you can't explain. You literally have no idea what you're on about.
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@Wheca You just keep saying back to me what i'm saying to you. The huge difference between us though is, what i say is factual. What you say is in fact, insane and devoid of any merit. You're just desperate to avoid answering the questions because you literally don't have any answers to give. Where are the world class fighters Arce and Aztec beat? Where is the punch count for the second round?
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@Wheca Ball and Catterall are recognised as the real champions when they clearly beat Vargas and Taylor. You'll find very few who claim they didn't win. And they're only saying they didn't win due to being biased. But they know they did win. And clearly.
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@Wheca They have many ATG wins. But if you don't know what an ATG is, how would you know? Tell me what qualifies as an ATG?
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@Wheca An ATG is someone who fought names, hey? Right, you can answer the question you keep deflecting away from and avoiding. Which names did Arce and Azteca beat? List all of them? Now watch you bounce to another point to deflect and come out with mindless nonsense.
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@Wheca Are you searching for wins over names for those two bums you put? LOL. Good luck. You're going to need it.
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@Wheca Wait, you think fighting and losing to Gonzales, Donaire and Darchinyan makes Arce an ATG? What??? LOL. Please make this make sense. ATG's are actually supposed to win fights to prove they're great. Anyone can lose in a fight. Losing to every world class fighter he fought doesn't make him great. Tracy Cox? Kenny Lasalle? You don't even know who they are. You just looked for opponents that had many fights. LOL. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Cox was shot when Azteca beat him. He beat him in his last 2 years in the sport. The second time was in fact his very last fight. But thanks for the laughs. You think this proves Azteca and Arce are ATG's? Are you still sticking to that? LOL.
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@Wheca I'm not dodging anything. You do have to justify and explain what you're saying. But you can't and won't. You said, and i quote " An all time great boxer is someone who fought names, won belts in different weight classes" Now, who are the names Cox and Lasalle fought and what world titles in different weights did they win? What world title in any weight class did they win? Show me where Arce is an inductee in the IBHOF? He isn't. You won't find him there.
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@Wheca No, what you mean is, you can't and won't explain yourself because what you're saying is insane. You want to move on quickly without justifying anything so come out with a load of pointless questions to deflect. When you make a claim, you're supposed to justify it in a rational manner with factual information. You haven't done any of this. You said a fighter is a bum if they don't beat names or win titles in different weight classes. Well, neither Cox or Lasalle won a world title or beat names. So, they must be bums then. That's what you said. But all of a sudden, they're not bums, they're world class and ATG's are they? Hypocrisy knows no bounds with you. Same thing with contradictions. Justify your claims, then we'll move on to another topic in which i'll win just like i did with every other topic. But you have to justify these claims first. That's how it works in the real world.
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@Wheca What am i dodging? Spell it out? Tell me what questions i didn't explain in full?
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@Wheca I asked you which of your questions i supposedly didn't answer in full and explain myself in great detail? You mean the questions you kept on replying with to actually deflect away from you answering and justifying my questions?
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@Wheca You haven't justified a single one of your claims. Over a hundred replies now, and that isn't even including over 200 last time, where you still didn't justify a single claim. If you had Vasquez winning by a point as you had the same score card as Bellew other than the 12th round, where are you justifying Vasquez winning the second round? A round Cordina clearly won, thus making Cordina the actual winner? I asked you to justify Arce and Azteca being ATG's like you claimed. You haven't come close to doing so. I asked for their world class wins. You then changed the actual goal posts by claiming fighting world class opposition proved you were an ATG, even though Arce was knocked out by them. Azteca didn't beat any world class opposition either. You also said you had to win world titles in different weight classes, Azteca didn't even fight for the title let alone win it, as he was nothing but a domestic level fighter. The two opponents of his you gave, also didn't fight for the title as they weren't top fighters. They didn't even fight the best of that era. You only need to check their resumes to see that fact. If Arce didn't beat any world class opposition, that renders his 3 titles at different weights meaningless. What world was he a champion of? Bum world? To be an ATG you actually have to fight and beat world class opponents who are prime, or near prime. Where are they? Explain yourself.
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@Wheca As for your repeating of Phil Bloom supposedly never facing anyone of worth, he fought 7 inductees into the IBHOF and fought them a combined 17 times. You clearly lack any knowledge to speak of.
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@Wheca If you can't explain what qualifies an ATG, why would we put 5 names each? You'll just do what you did last time and put any Mexican you can find up and claim them as an ATG. That's why that question you deflected with makes no sense. You either justify your claims and stop deflecting, or you forfeit this discussion and lose again. Your choices are, accept Arce is a bum and has no world class wins, thus meaning he isn't an ATG like you claimed. Or you give me all his world class wins and justify every one of them. Do you understand? I have no problem in proving we've beaten you more times in world title fights than you have over us. But first, you're going to have to justify the claims you've made here and not deflect for over 300 replies the way you have done. It's entirely up to you.
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@Wheca Do you even know how to read? I said 7 inductees in which he fought them a combined 17 times. Those names are as follows: Ted "Kid" Lewis, Benny Leonard, Rocky Kansas, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Freddie Welsh and George "KO" Chaney.
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@Wheca You're an ATG if you fight 3 world class fighters but get KO'd by all 3 of them? So you're saying that if you yourself fought 10 world class fighters and were to be KO'd by all 10 of them, you'd be an ATG? LOL. And you think this makes any sense? No, you are not an ATG just because you were KO'd by a few world class fighters. You do not qualify as one. Last chance. You either justify Arce being an ATG by giving me enough wins over world class opponents or you accept he was nothing but a bum. Which he in fact was. Deflect one more time and i accept your loss again. It's clear you're out of your depth and want this to end. Deflect again and this all ends for you.
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@Wheca Jorge Arce is not an IBHOF inductee. He may be inducted into some tin pot hall from around the world, but it isn't Canastota and the real International Boxing Hall of Fame. There are a few Hall's around the world like the Australian one, the Nevada one or the Atlantic City one. But they are not being inducted as ATG's. They are no such thing. These Halls don't matter. The only one that matters is the International Boxing Hall of Fame. He is not an inductee. Do you even know what hall of fame he's supposedly an inductee of? Where are you getting this information from?
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@Wheca I've just checked, it's the Nevada Hall of Fame. LOL. He's in there with some of the greatest the world of boxing has ever seen like Clarence "Bones" Adams, Lamon Brewster, Leroy Haley, Don Minor, Richie Sandovol, Freddie Little etc etc. With illustrious names such as these, how could he not be an "ATG" just like these legends. LOL. Seriously, that place started in 2013 and is about as worthless as it comes. If these names don't tell you how low level the place is, nothing will. As i say, Jorge Arce is not an ATG nor an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. You know, the actual real Hall in Canastota? He wasn't good enough. He lost every time he fought world class opposition. Don't tell me, the other bum Kid Azteca is in another one of these great halls? If not, how is he an ATG to you?
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@Wheca You haven't given any satisfactory answer to any of the 3 questions i keep asking you. It's just been over 300 replies of mindless nonsense. You even said that YOU didn't say Arce was an ATG, but the hall did. Which means, you don't even know any of the names Arce beat do you? You can't actually confirm or deny if he is or not. You're supposed to have the ability to know about the subject matter. But it's clear you're clueless on everything. Explain how Kid Azteca is an ATG? If you refuse and deflect again, you lose by forfeiting. Do you understand? Either that or admit he was a bum who did nothing in his career. Then i'll happily give 5 world title wins over your lot and you can send me 5. We'll do that until the other runs out. But answer the Aztec question first.
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@Wheca It's clear you want out. I gave you the chance but again you deflected without justifying any of your claims. I accept you quitting again as you can't give anything other than repeating the same nonsense over and over again like last time. You lose. You've embarrassed yourself enough for me to be satisfied anyway. For the record, i could answer every question you put forward. But all you do is ask questions to deflect every time i ask you for an answer and justification for your ridiculous claims. But if you don't answer to your claims, i'm not playing this silly game for over 4/500 replies without you so much as answering to one single claim. That would be insane.
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@Lameahhboi9393 I have no idea what comment/Comments of mine this relates too. But i'll happily set the record straight on your comments. 1) Freddie Roach is a 5 times trainer of the year award winner. Therefore, you're wrong. But that's not all. Your trainer of the year has had his stable fail tests unlike others. Once caught, they all started to lose. 2) Who cares about title wins? It's about the quality of the opposition you've beaten. Chavez isn't in the top 50 all time. 3) Only two countries in history have produced a champion in all 17 weight classes. They are the UK and the USA. Mexico hasn't. Andy Ruiz is American born and raised. Not Mexican. If it comes down to ethnicity, then you lose all of those from the US and Mexico who are of Spanish/European descent. Very few in your history are mostly or fully native. Therefore, you're wrong again. 4) Name all those champions who legitimately won their fights to defend their title without any bad decisions? I think you'll fine nearly all fail in this regard. 5) We can't sell? Would this be the nation who have sold out stadiums and 20,000 seater arena's regularly? Outside of Canelo, who sells big in Mexico? 6) Canelo is the face of boxing in North America. Outside in the wider world, no one really cares nor knows who he is. He doesn't have the international fame like a Fury, Usyk, Joshua etc etc... 7) No, you're the one who needs to sit down. Clearly.
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@Lameahhboi9393 How can you run boxing when all of your champions are only due to dodgy decisions? Name all that are legit and not through ill gotten means? How many wins of merit can you name that didn't have an inactive opponent, a shot opponent, an opponent coming from a loss, or other methods to gain an advantage? Name all those champions that Canelo beat that weren't shot, drained, too small, inactive, robbery, or wasn't allowed a full training camp? Simple question that i've already asked you only to get nothing back. Usyk, Joshua and Fury have fought all over the world and sold out arena's. Canelo hasn't. They are PPV around the world. Canelo isn't. They're superior fighters than Canelo. They don't duck opponents until they're done or inflict a mass of conditions on them before they'll face them. Tank is fraudulent as he's ducked everyone for years and does what Canelo does by making sure his opponents are at their weakest before he'll face them. Crawford is good, but he doesn't go beyond that. His resume isn't strong enough. Plus Spence was far too inactive when they fought. Spence looked shot for a reason. That kind of inactivity will do that to you. It's why your lot seek it out all the time.
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@Lameahhboi9393 I see you accept you were wrong on the trainer of the year award. Wrong on Chavez being anywhere near to the best ever. Wrong on Mexico being the only nation in history to have had a champion in every weight class. That would be the UK and the USA. Not Mexico. Nor have you disputed the fact that Reynoso's entire stable failed a load of tests where their performances dropped quite alarmingly afterwards. You also didn't tell me which Mexicans outside of Canelo sold in big numbers? Could you tell me now please?
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@Lameahhboi9393 Why are you not answering the questions? I've made them very clear. Which of your champions are legitimate through actually winning their fights? Which world class fighters did Canelo beat that didn't have any conditions attached? Which world class wins for your lot had no conditions attached? You're just deflecting and nothing more. Which ATG's popped like Eric Morales did? You said Reynoso was the most accomplished trainer. I corrected you. Who cares where Freddie is from? Is Freddie Roach not a trainer in the world of boxing? Yes, he is. Therefore, you're wrong. Your fallacy won't change that fact.
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@Ab-rt2vw Literally, they did. Many Mexicans said this. It's as laughable now as it was when they first started saying it.
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@mmastiff734 The judges in the UK are mostly international. But which fights can you name that had bad judging? In the US, it's constant. You won't get a card without at least 1.
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Why, Taylor is Scottish, not Irish.
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Yeah, Ramirez getting smacked up.
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@serendipitouscomet Please stop attempting to score fights when someone you support is fighting. The bias is atrocious. George was dominated and outclassed. And yes, George has a lot of blame as he justified the grotesque robbery by saying he won nearly all the rounds with Maxi only winning a couple. It's over for George. Not only for not being good enough, but through his clear delusion as well.
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@transformyalifestyle1349 George definitely won as seen through the highlights? Hahahahaha. You can't score a fight through highlights. Especially ones that come from a corrupted promotional platform that showed all of George's best bits (They were very thin on the ground) and pretty much none of Maxi's. Some people were just not made for the 21st century. They still exist in the dark ages intellectually.
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@gorillamafia5144 Just because Fury did so, doesn't mean everyone could. Getting used to a new environment isn't easy. With Fury being a Westerner and actually knowing many in the Cronk throughout the years helped greatly. Ramirez is a foreigner to all of this. He doesn't even speak English either. Cubans can get very lazy when they reach the West and lose the focus they had in the amateurs. Ramirez losing his first fight was a wakeup call that he answered. He's even beat the guy who beat him. He now knows what he has to do to succeed.
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@gorillamafia5144 Is that all you have to say? I articulated perfectly why it's different to someone like Fury. And yes, Cubans are very well known for slacking off after reaching the West. How long have you been around boxing? It's a common theme. To go from poverty to being able to eat and doing all the other things you couldn't at home takes their focus in other directions. It happens to Western fighters too. But could you imagine what it's like being in their position?
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You don't even need to be world class to beat these Mexican tomato cans. All you need to be is active and without them putting any conditions on you. If it's a fair fight, they lose big. It's happening across the board. If a threat exists, they'll duck until they're compromised in some way. Otherwise, they'll just leave it alone and fight a handpicked outsider. Then you've got all the gift decisions to contend with. And most of their "Wins" are gifts. Just how many wins can anyone name without any conditions or gifts being attached to it? Give it a go and you'll be shocked at how widespread it is.
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@HatersHaveOpinion1 No, he didn't. He won. Haney got a gift decision like so many do when fighting in the US. I see you couldn't dispute Tank ducking and cherry picking his fights non stop. A fraud could never run any sport. Regardless of your desperation.
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Japanese fighters don't go after inactive opponents or weaken them before taking them on like Mexicans do. Japanese fighters do it properly with honour. Unlike Mexicans. That's why the Japanese fighters are real and legitimate. Unlike Mexicans. Japan is a real fighting nation. Unlike Mexico.
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Navarrete wouldn't have been dominated by Conceicao if he was the superior fighter.
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@matt-74e Who did he beat to get these titles in 3 divisions? His resume is beyond poor. Something is seriously wrong if you have that many world title fights but they're nearly all cans.
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@matt-74e Canceircao has very little power, and yet, Navarrete was cautious and didn't want to engage much. That tells you everything.
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@deisysanchez1641 Wow! Those belt rankings do not in any way reflect the best in those divisions. Outside of Dogboe and Valdez, none of them were world class. Therefore, nearly all of them were scrubs. Not only that, but it's the WBO. An organisation that Arum (Naverrete's promoter) has close ties with and has on many occasions manipulated the rankings to benefit his own fighters against fighters from other promoters. If any threats in those divisions exist from another promoter, Arum will keep them low in the rankings to make sure they can't get their hands on said title. It's up there with the way Don King operated with the WBC. The corruption is well known in boxing circles and has been going on for many years. But if you think they were world class, give me their name and tell me what they did to prove themselves world class? Then you have the corruption at TopRank were you can lose a fight clearly like here with Conceicao, but get a gift draw or win. This not long after the long count from the ref to protect Navarrete after being dropped by Liam Wilson.
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Yeah, he didn't come close to winning. Just accept Americans are bums and move on.
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She clearly lost. Nina won that handily.
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@LucieOne There is a criteria for scoring fights. Nina won in every area of scoring.
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Roids and Peds are the same thing. LOL. Is that what Pacquiao was on when he was winning?
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@lollololololololololololo Guevara doesn't have any losses against Europeans. That's how much knowledge you lack here. 1 of those losses was in Mexico. 1 was against another Mexican. The other 2 were in Japan. But do please point out which of these fights were robberies? What was your score card? Moloney won this fight by 3 on my card. 7/4 with 1 even. Just because it's a split or a majority decision, it doesn't automatically mean there was a gift involved.
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@IHTLS Mayweather didn't get any gifts. He beat Maidana, Castillo and De La Hoya in close fights. You don;t get the decision just because you made it close. That isn't how it works. Tell me which of your fighters today that don't have any gifts? They all do. No one gets more gifts in world boxing. That is a fact. Then when you look at the condition your fighters seek out in their opponents, then it gets even worse.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Castillo didn't even win, let alone clearly. Mayweather won by 2 on my card and 4 in the rematch.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Yeah, on my card. Why, on whose card did Castillo win? It wasn't the judges, that's for sure. In order to call it a robbery, you must have your own card where you had Castillo winning. For the record, i'm white. I'm not American either. Nor am i particularly a fan of Floyd. I'm very aware that he spent most of his career cherry picking his opponents and ducked Pacquiao for years until he was past his best.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Yes, my card. Why, how did you come to the conclusion of Castillo clearly winning when Mayweather got the decision? It would have to be your own score card.
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@taunica51 The whole system with them is corrupt to their core. Always have been.
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@RM_2423 Would you now like me to list all the many ways to gain an advantage as well? It's even more extreme than the list i've already given you.
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@RM_2423 Every single fight i gave was a gift. But you haven't given me a list of gifts like you claimed you would. Just a few smaller opponents. Why is that? Did you say i hate your fighters after what you wrote to start with? You lack awareness or a sense of irony. Clearly. Canelo - Charlo (16 weeks inactive and 2 weight classes smaller) Fielding (Rehydration clause) Jacobs (Rehydration clause) Golovkin (Aged out and gift decisions) C Smith (Only given 3 weeks camp) Kovalev (Rehydration clause, shot, and not having enough time to rest between fights) Chavez (Shot and drained) Khan (2 weight classes smaller) Cotto (Smaller and finished) Kirkland (Shot and inactive) Angulo (Shot and coming straight from defeat) Lopez (Smaller) Mosley (Shot and smaller) Cintron (Shot and smaller) Gomez (Smaller) Rhodes (Shot) M Hatton (Smaller) Ndoe (Shot and smaller) Baldomir (Shot and smaller) As you can see, he's made a career out of it. But wait, all of yours do.
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@RM_2423 Lara vs Warrington (Warrington inactive 17 months) Lara vs Wood 1 (Wood inactive 1 year) Zurdo vs Goulamirian (Goulamirian inactive 16 months) Ramirez vs Taylor (Taylor 1 round of action in 19 months) Ramirez vs Postal (Postal inactive 16 months) Munguia vs Chenko (Chenko inactive 1 year) Munguia vs Johnson (Johnson inactive 15 months) This is all you see across the board. Could you list wins with merit that DON'T have any conditions on the fight? I see what you're doing. I know how you're doing it too.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k Clearly you couldn't name more Hispanic ATG's than Caucasian ones. But thanks for the riveting and intelligent reply. It's oozing in irony.
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@RM_2423 Do you know the definition of cheating and cowardice? Have a guess.
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@RM_2423 Do you want to deflect and project now i've proven everything you said as wrong? You're the one who first made your comments so it's clear who lives in whose head. However, it clearly isn't free as it looks very taxing for you from where i'm sitting. Can't you name any credible wins for your guys without any conditions being on the fight? What does that tell you?
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@RM_2423 By the way, if you're going to make comments like this, it's best you don't continue with your comments just 7 hours ago with the same dishonest and bitter claims.
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@althepal8018 Not only Canelo. It's all of them. But i'm sure you wish you'd read my other comments before writing this as i gave a handful of the times it's happened. There's many more. But you get the picture. Could you list all the fighters you claim have been "Saved"? The others on this thread made the same comments only to come back with nothing. I'm sure you wouldn't do that. So, let's see them?
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@RM_2423 Oh look, you've come back to further embarrass yourself. Still not found any wins without conditions being attached? LOL.
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@RM_2423 The only thing you're winning in, is the delusional stakes. LOL. Thanks for the laughs though. Still can't find any wins of merit, hey? Yeah, it's that bad. But please come back with more embarrassing replies with nothing to offer.
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@alexmartinez-og8gu I have watched the whole Mayweather/Canelo fight. What do you think i am, a Mexican with watching highlights and claiming somebody won due to them? Mayweather did very little moving in that fight. Canelo did a lot more against Golovkin in the first fight. Anybody who watches them clearly sees this. As for being rigged. What was? Spell it out to me how it was. You're just making things up as you go.
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@althepal8018 I agree with every fight you've put other than Lubin and the Floyd fight. But as you can see, there isn't anywhere near as much as there is with Mexicans. Nowhere near.
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@RM_2423 I'm a kid living rent free in my own mind? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The only one showing they're a kid and immature here, is you. The delusion is just not allowing you to understand. If you did understand, you wouldn't be replying all the time nor would you have said the things you did only to embarrass yourself. You couldn't even be specific and explain how you're supposedly living rent free in my mind. How could you when you're the one making a fool out of themselves. But please continue. It's funny. I look forward to you coming back and still not being able to give me any wins without conditions being attached.
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@RM_2423 Tell me how you're in my head and winning? Simple question. Be specific?
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@alexmartinez-og8gu I asked you to tell me how the fight was rigged? Floyd mostly stood in front of Canelo. He wasn't doing laps around the ring. You just want that version of events because you can't bare losing all the time. It's your way of discrediting the winner. You see it all the time. Tell me who these big sellers are for your lot? They can't sell anything. It's a myth they can. But if you think otherwise, tell me each and every one of them and why they're a big seller?
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@RM_2423 Well, if replying means somebody is in your head, then i'm in your head aren't i with you replying back all the time. Maybe think before responding. It helps.
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@alexmartinez-og8gu What's wrong, can't you answer the questions? You made the comments. Now i'd like you to justify them. It seems you're having trouble with that though.
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@tguzman7408 Ramirez is only unified due to corruption. Postal should have those titles right now. And that was against a past his best 37 year old Postal.
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@SkinnyVinnie By "Marching down" do you mean she walked forward barely throwing anything whilst getting hit to body and head with a mass of combinations? Nina clearly won. You can't score a fight.
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@runelillebuen6422 Yeah, because you can have dodgy refs and judges, but not those who do the punch count in order to try and justify their decisions. I've checked many in the past only to find that the one who got the gift decision landed nowhere near to what the stats said. The one who was jibbed landed many, many more shots than said too. The whole system is corrupt. It's out of control at this point.
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@runelillebuen6422 Are you from Australia by any chance? Cherneka got bossed is what you meant to say. And clearly so.
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@ricardofernandez3133 Where did you get this idea from? Name them? We hardly ever fight. The only time we do is in the amateurs. The pros is completely different. We all know when it comes to the pros that Cubans don't do so well. Also, what is "Playing boxer"?
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 I take it this is aimed at me? You're supposed to tag me so i know. Tell me who these Cubans are in the top 5, and in which divisions? I must have missed them if there's as many as you claim. We have over a century of "Breaking asses" and many ATG's. Many more than Cuba could ever come close to manage. Cubans don't do so well when it comes to the pro game. You have some good fighters here and there, but nothing major. It's just the way it is. Rigo vs some unknown fighter? As i say, we hardly fight each other in the pros. This is evidence if all you can come up with is Rigo vs some unknown. Off the top of my head, the only fights i can think of as worthwhile between the two of us is Stracey vs Napoles. Mcavoy vs "Kid" Tunero. Legra vs Winstone. "Kid" berg vs "Kid" Chocolate. You see, there isn't that many. But at least these fights are note worthy.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 Lara is finished and hasn't beaten anyone of note in many years. He is not top 5 at either the Middle or Light Middle divisions. Rigo is finished and is coming off 2 losses. He is also not top 5. Dorticos is top 5. That's legit. Morrell is not top 5 at SuperMiddle. Nor is he a real champ. That regular piece of garbage is worthless. He hasn't done anything at the weight to be top 5. Ugas is top 5. That's legit. Luis Ortiz is a bum who hasn't beaten anyone of worth. A hype job. He isn't even top 10. Barthelemy isn't top 5 at 140. He hasn't beaten anyone worthy other than Mendez which was way back in 2014. That was 8 years ago. He isn't even in the top 10. So you have 2 fighters in the top 5 in Dorticos and Ugas. That isn't many divisions. And they're nothing but good fighters. They're not very good or even close to great. If i were to ask you to name their best wins, what would you come up with? Sorry, but you're even close to being the best nation in boxing. Out of the traditional boxing nations in the world, you and Puerto Rico are in last place. The UK, US, Ukraine, Japan and Mexico take up the top 5 places. Then you have Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and others who are above you too. They have better and more proven fighters in professional boxing.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 What do you mean, the UK were 25 pounds ahead of the Cubans? I don't understand. Rigo did dominate Donaire. I agree. But that was years ago. Lara i also had beating Canelo, but that was years ago too. You can't live on past glories today. No fighter can do that. It's all about what you've done recently. But both are finished fighters now. They're shot. Neither will do anything at world level. Those days are gone. It's just the way it is.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 Which UK boxer weighed heavier than the Cuban? I named 4 fighters. Who did "Kid" Chocolate beat that was anywhere near world level? The wins over Chocolate for Berg stand, as both were great fighters and at world level.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 How can Rigo be the lineal champion when he just lost his last two fights? Lara hasn't had a win of worth in many years. The last one he had was with Hurd, and he lost that one. Who doesn't want to fight him? I've been around boxing for decades. Ortiz is a nobody. Sorry, but it's the truth. You may not like it, but it's true. In all these years he hasn't got a single world class win. He's has many opportunities to fight them, but he keeps running from those fights after mouthing off. Fury would destroy Ortiz. Fury beat Wilder the 3 times they fought. The first time when only at 50% and fat. When Ortiz fought Wilder both times, he was knocked out. Fury is the champ and is actually world class. He's beaten world class fighters. Ortiz hasn't. And to say Fury isn't a puncher when he knocked out Wilder twice, whereas Ortiz got knocked out twice, is hilarious. Ortiz is the most overrated puncher in heavyweight history. He hasn't knocked out anyone of worth. You believe Ortiz would beat everyone out there other than Usyk? You're crazy. Ortiz would get brutally taken out by the whole of the top 10. Hell, he nearly lost to a badly damaged bum in Martin last time out. You're in the top 5 by the wins you have over top 5 fighters. Not because some other fighters said so. Berlanga and Benavidez are also fighters who haven't done anything of worth. Their resumes combined are worthless. Haven't done a thing. Sorry, but you're wrong when claiming Cubans are the best in the world when it comes to pro boxing. I know you want to believe that because you're patriotic, but it isn't true. When Cubans get the chance to shine, they fail most of the time. They get their chances. They just don't do anything with the opportunities. Sorry.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 You believe they're the best based on amateur wins? Many great fighters have been beaten by lower level fighters in the amateurs. But when it comes to the pros, they're not even close to being in that class. Augie Sanchez beat Floyd Mayweather in the amateurs. But would you be so crazy as to think he's the better overall fighter? Tyrell Biggs beat Mike Tyson when in the amateurs. But what happened in the pros? Would you say he's a better overall fighter because of that amateur win? Hell no. The amateurs and pros are two very different sports. If you know your boxing, you'd know this. I'll stick to one question at a time because you don't seem to answer otherwise. Which British fighters weighed more than the Cubans with those 4 fighters i mentioned? You said they weighed 25 pounds more. Who weighed that much more? Name them?
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I haven't taken them seriously for years. These robberies are non stop at this point.
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@suzie9874 Who were the "Several top fighters" Foreman beat in the 90's? Outside of beating Moorer who made the mistake of wanting to better everyone else who beat Foreman on points and going out there to knock Foreman out? Had Moorer been smarter and boxed like he should have, he would have dominated Foreman. But he did too much and started to run out of steam later on and allowed Foreman to get to a now slower Moorer.
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@DW-nb2zc How? Duran was a Lightweight with Hearns and Leonard Welterweight. Can you name any natural Middleweights like Hagler in that era?
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@suzie9874 It's easy to see what Holmes would have to Tyson prime for prime even though Tyson dominated Holmes when they fought? No, you claim it by putting up another fighter in Lewis against Tyson and make out it means something in a Tyson/Holmes fight prime for prime. That literally makes no sense. Then you add in the fact Tyson wasn't prime against Lewis. It's clear to me now without a doubt that you are absolutely clueless and illogical in what you're saying on this thread.
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@DW-nb2zc You have listed some fights not FIGHTERS in reply to me asking if you can name any natural Middleweights like Hagler from that era? Are any of those you named natural Middleweights like Hagler? No, they're not. A natural Middleweight would be someone who started out as a Middleweight and didn't need to come up in weight like Hearns, Leonard and Duran.
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@DW-nb2zc The point i was making was that the 80's Middleweight division wasn't that great on account of the main fights happening in that era were fighters moving up from the lower divisions. I agree more money was on offer with them getting fights with the champion in Hagler and them being big names in the lower weights. But on the whole, i think it was overrated. Hagler had too much of an advantage over them. Surprisingly though, he lost to Leonard who had been out for years. He only beat an even smaller Duran by a single point on my card. The only one he beat decisively was the Hitman.
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@robertbrown7896 Yeah, they're natural Middleweights. But none of them are close to being great. Mugabi and Roldan never proved anything. They're fringe level fighters at best. Hamsho was a good fighter however. Minter, Antuofermo, Sibson, Hamsho, Briscoe are the best he fought as natural Middles.
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You do know Ramirez ducked Prograis twice don't you? He even ran away from the tournament both Taylor and Prograis fought in. Taylor has only had 1 round in 19 months. He's not prepared properly. You don't fight for undisputed in those conditions. It's never been done. Well, not from anyone in the US anyway. So my bet is Ramirez. Not because he's the btter fighter. Taylor would smack him about had he been active. But due to circumstances only.
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rany lopez You believe having only 1 round in 19 months is an excuse? Do you believe Barrera being shot and out of his weight class against Khan was just an excuse for the loss? Context is everything. And for the record, Ramirez DID DUCK Prograis twice before the tournament. You can even search for it on Google if you like. I don't make stories up.
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@charleyu5506 So you agree that 1 round in 19 months is as good as any preparation? There's nothing to see here? Or are you the usual who acknowledge the situation but hope no one sees so you can claim full credit should Ramirez win? I think i'll go with my experience dealing with boxing "Fans" and go with the hoping no one sees. Well, i see.
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This dude is Irish, not British. Jeez. And the Irish can't fight for shit.
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@avtobus1234 Who are these British fighters who fight like him? We have many different types of styles over here.
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