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@blueviper3861 Only someone who is ignorant and clueless about the world level fighters he fought and beat would come out with something as ridiculous as this.
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Brook dominated Porter. You clearly can't score for toffee. Porter was horribly ineffective.
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Wilder wouldn't have gone anywhere near to a ring with Lewis in it. Wilder was terrified to go anywhere near a ring with Whyte in it.
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That's handy. Cus was long dead before Foreman came back to boxing.
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This is in fact, wrong. Both ducked Lewis for years. Tyson even admitted it when someone like you who doesn't know their history said this to Lewis on Instagram. Lewis asked him to ask Tyson himself. Tyson put him straight. Tyson kept saying for years "I need two more fights" after every fight whilst talking like he wanted Lewis there and then. Holyfield was hoping someone would get rid of Lewis for him and he could worm himself out of the fight. Many years had gone by and Lewis was still the top man. Holyfield then had no choice but to fight and lose to him.
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@Formakiwi Lewis was cared of grant? Hahahahaha. Grant was the one who looked like he was going to the gallows. Not Lewis. You can't even see what is right in front of your face. Lennox was calm and destructive. Lewis didn't hold the back of his head. He threw a jab whilst Grant ducked. The punch was legitimate. What makes you think he had an ordinary chin? Lewis fought those he did fight only when they had the courage to face him. Not only that, but most of them were in fact, at their best. Who are your top 5 in history at heavyweight? Yes, Lewis is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. In fact, he's head and shoulders above the rest.
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@pagimaidj Not only is Ireland not occupied by the British, but Ireland hasn't been called "Racist" for these slogans on the orders of the British. Only someone deeply disturbed would ever think this. But as you can see, there any many disturbed people out there.
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@benthekeeshond545 Lewis didn't have a glass chin. Wilder does though. He got smashed by a light puncher in Fury. Lewis shouldn't have been stopped in the McCall fight. With Rahman, he turned up in South Africa too late and didn't acclimatize to the altitude. You can even see his mouth wide open in the first round trying to suck in oxygen. He was lethargic, out of shape and barely trained for the fight. Lewis was willing to fight anyone at any time. Tell me who he ducked? Wilder, on the other hand though, is the biggest coward the heavyweight division has ever seen. He ran from everyone. He still to this day hasn't beaten a single world class opponent. His resume is filled with the greasiest garbage anyone will ever see. Worthless doesn't even begin to explain it. Lewis' win over Grant alone is better than Wilder's entire career.
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@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Could you give me some examples of Eddie's lies please? Thanks very much.
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@lollololololololololololo Your numbers are way off. Why would you think there is only 3 world champions as of now? Who are they in your mind?
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@Elguapo12345 You spelled Estrada wrong. Estrada was the only one getting hit with big, clean shots. Estrada was the one losing clearly, slapping and hitting air most of the time. This was a horrible decision. Anyone with eyes can see that.
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@RM_2423 Mexicans are more protected. No one gets gifts the way they do. It's extreme.
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You're painfully deluded. I didn't give Shaw a single round. I gave him a share of one with a 10-10, but the other 9 went to Efe. Shaw didn't do anything but move around like a frightened dear in the headlights and refused to throw any punches. Efe controlled pretty much everything with his jab. Maybe get in touch with Canelo or Arum/Haymon with those scorecards though. They're always looking for people like this who come up with cards as atrocious as this for their guy.
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@felix1974 Give me the names he supposedly ducked and the time he supposedly ducked them? I'll happily correct you on every one. Name some of his world class wins? No problem. Robinson, Soto, Johnson, Medina, McCullough, Kelley, Ingle, Belcastro, Bungu, Vasquez and Badillo. For the record, the Barrera fight was supposed to take place years before it did happen. Barrera wanted nothing to do with it until he saw Naz wasn't the same fighter any more. After the Jones losses, instead of getting a couple of fights then going after the best again the way a championship level fighter should, he instead fought bums for 3 years.
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Plenty of people talked about Lewis losing as he turned up in South Africa too late to acclimatise to the altitude. The whole fight week was mostly this. LOL for saying the better fighter won as well. Seriously, LOL. Rahman was no such thing. He won only due to Lewis not preparing properly. Nothing else. Even with the advantage of knocking Lewis out going into the rematch he couldn't compete. Rahman got knocked out even worse and in ironic fashion. In the build up, Rahman came to England and did promotion for the fight riding in a open carriage with a crown on his head. When Rahman's head landed on the canvas after getting knocked out in the rematch, his head landed perfectly by the huge crown on the canvas.
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@lollololololololololololo Can you name me all the Mexicans and Americans who are real champions who fought and beat quality competition and never cherry pick? Tell me who is recognised internationally too like Fury and AJ while you're there?
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Yeah, Curiel was the bike. He rode him for fun. All night too.
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@chrisa8069 They do this every week. Have you seen any of them get fined or fired? No. They'll continue to do what they've been doing for decades without any push back.
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@johnny_truth How in the hell has Loma been "Babied"? We're not talking about American and Mexican fighters here. They're babied. Loma fought anyone who would get in the ring with him over 3 weight classes. He drew the Lopez fight but was robbed. Won the Haney fight but was robbed also. This at a weight he really shouldn't be in as he's too small for it. Sorry, but the narrative you're coming out with is actually insane. Explain this babied nonsense you speak of?
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@justineebourgeois3420 Lewis didn't keep holding his head down. Grant would dip below the waist to try and get away from Lewis' shots. That's his fault. But to claim Tyson is better due to this is a fallacy. Tyson tried to break someone's arm just because they were giving him a boxing lesson. Then of course, biting someone's ear off. So if it's decided who's better by the illegal acts of a fighter, Lewis is definitely better. Then we look at the fact Tyson bit a chunk out of Lewis' thigh and paid him step aside money to fight for the WBC with the promise to fight him next only to have him drop the title and run, adds to it. Then to finish, we have the fact that after running for years from the fight, Tyson eventually gets in the ring with Lewis and gets an absolute beating before getting knocked out in the 8th. This is without pointing out the fact that Lewis has the vastly superior resume. To put it bluntly, Tyson is nowhere near to the fighter Lewis is. Not even close.
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They always get gift decisions so he was expecting more of the same. He was dominated from start to finish and didn't win a single second. He was schooled with ease.
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He does in fact swim for Northern Ireland as well. When will you learn he's English born and not Irish? His accent is a huge giveaway.
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@carolynsanchez3797 You mean the cut from the head clash? That wasn't a scoring punch. It came from Estrada's head. Estrada lost and lost clearly. Those who justify corruption are as bad as those that commit the crime. No integrity or honesty.
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You can't teach that natural kind of ability. You either have it or you don't. If it was all down to Brendan, all his fighters would be as successful.
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He isn't Irish though is he? He's in fact English. He was born in Leeds. You're the one who needs to accept the facts.
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How many times are you going to write this on numerous video's?
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He's from Northern Ireland, therefore he is British. Pretty stupid thing to say. Where are you from?
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They don't understand boxing in any way. Not surprising when all they've got is unskilled brawlers who swing and miss all night.
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@southpaw1090 It happened again with Postal too. Postal won, but Ramirez got another gift.
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@justineebourgeois3420 Holyfield at the point of the fight was only a bit past his best. The second Lewis fight was one of his very best performances even though he lost. Tyson was definitely past his best though. But that was their fault as they ran for years and refused to fight him. Vitali Tua Briggs Grant Rahman Bruno Mercer Ruddock Golota Were all prime. What are you talking about? Maybe tell me who Tyson and Holyfield beat who were important and prime?
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@НиколаПоюков Ben was the only one landing out of the two of them. Why, what did Khataev land? It was an easy win for Whitaker.
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@risottonero4501 The part where Ben is making Khataev miss with everything while getting his own shots off.
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@peterbreis5407 Wait, did you just call out the English, but when asked where you were from to see if where you're from stands up to scrutiny, you immediately said he is free to spill his jingoistic xenophobia over you? Haha. Does that mean then that you're a jingoistic xenophobe then?
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@eugdee7293 You are factually incorrect. The full name of the team is in fact "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Check it out if you want. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The sovereign nation.
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Name every South African heavyweight that was better than Botha at the time?
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@Stantheman848 An Irish person being bitter about England in sports. What a shock. Seriously, you're making yourself look like an idiot here. If you don't care about the game, why do you care to come on a highlight and make comments about it? And how would you know about the standard of play overall if you didn't watch? You did watch, and it wasn't the result you were hoping for. It's the same with the Scots on Twitter. However, thanks for the tears, they taste really seasoned.
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You're right, there. If it goes to the cards, no matter how clearly you win it, you won't get the decision. It's beyond disgusting at this point.
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@RM_2423 Canelo vs Golovkin x2, Canelo vs Lara, Vargas vs Ball, Navarrete vs Conceicao, Valdez vs Conceicao, Martinez vs Cordova, Martinez vs Carmona, Mauricio Lara vs Lugo, Lopez vs Warrington, J Estrada vs Rodriguez x2, J Estrada vs Cortes, S Estrada vs Valle, Lardizabal vs Alvarado, Franco vs A Moloney, Espinoza vs Ramirez, Ramirez vs Postal, Munguia vs Chenko, Munguia vs Hogan, McCaskill vs Ryan, Marlen Esparza's whole career. Let's see you match these gifts.
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@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Explain Tyson's boxing ability please. Give me another good laugh. Tell me about all the classical boxing he does. Haha. He comes forward bobbing and weaving to get the big shots off in an aggressive manner. That is not boxing. That's a pressure fighter. Lennox is a boxer.
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@espertix5839 You've completely mistaken what i mean. I'm not putting Tyson down in any way. I'm one of the sane ones who considers him an ATG and not the most overrated Heavyweight ever. But i'm also not one of those who thinks he beats everyone in history if he had Cus his whole career. What i am saying however, is what style Tyson had. He wasn't someone who moved off the back foot. He couldn't win a fight on just the jab alone the way a classical boxer like a Lennox could. He wasn't a fighter that would circle in centre ring keeping the right distance and using his feet and boxing. No, he came forward with pressure whilst moving his head to get past his opponents jab to get close and unleash hooks. He was a fighter. Not a boxer. Foreman, Frazier, Marciano were fighters primarily. Lennox, Holmes, Klitschko's were the other way. They were primarily boxers. Holmes and Lennox could fight it out when needed, but they always looked to set everything up in the classical way. There's a difference. Hope this helps.
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The Brits beat the most world class fighters out there and have the best collective resume out of any country. Sunny isn't a puncher, he's a boxer. He dominated and outclassed Curiel with ease. If you think it's trash, boxing is clearly not for you. It was a masterclass.
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@cg13200 Ramirez isn't on Taylor's level. If Ramirez wins, i know why. Postal beat Ramirez even though he was past his best at 37 years old. He was just ripped off in the same way Zepeda was. Taylor wasn't hurt against Postal. What you saw only exists in your head. At no point was he rocked. At no point was he about to go down. He did get hit by a shot and used the ring to gain distance, but nothing else. Thinking that is rocked and about to go down shows you've probably never seen anyone rocked before to think that was anything of the sort. Fighters out for years can have full training camps. Doesn't mean they're in prime fighting shape at the best of their ability. Far from it.
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South Africa have the most arrogant fans in rugby. What are you talking about?
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You clearly don't know the meaning of the word "Lacklustre" if you think that's what you watched last night. Sunny had fun and punched Curiel around the ring all night whilst making him miss. He threw only one jab a round now? Yeah, you clearly weren't watching what was going on in there. Sunny landed about 40 punches a round. Curiel landed on thin air and nothing more.
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@Cesarz28 Not as much as Curiel did getting beaten with ease by Sunny. Curiel looked like a limited journeyman vs Sunny.
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@spazzymacgee5648 Help is clearly needed when replying like this to what is said.
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@HugoRamirez-fw5ny You believe Hughes was fighting scared? Man you people live in a fantasy world. So hurt are you at seeing another one of your punch bags being beaten, your ego and insecurity needs to create a delusional world where the opponent who dominated is "Fighting scared" in order to make you feel better. How scared was Salvador Sanchez in his career when he used skill and movement? No, you'll contradict yourself then like a hypocrite won't you. Tell me about Canelo in the first Golovkin fight where he lost after ducking for years and trying to age Golovkin out but still losing by doing laps of the ring? That's your best guy. And he didn't even win against an aged Golovkin. So much humiliation for you there isn't there? Hughes dominated and invaded your boy and rocked his world. Hughes isn't even a puncher. He just beat him like he stole something. And his face when he was hanging on for dear life? His face was a picture. Hughes was just enjoying his work. Nothing to be worried about. It wasn't his head getting pinged around like some pinball machine.
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The only arrogance here is you with your poison and lies. Must be cold where you're from being so toxic all the time. But go on, point out this "Arrogance" for me? Separate England from everyone else and prove it. Or, accept the only arrogant one here is you. Oh, and racist. Can't forget one of your many ugly characteristics now can we.
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@felix1974 When are you going to get round to telling me all about these fighters he supposedly ducked? Hello??
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Naz fought and beat every world champion at the weight class. He also beat many former and future world champions. Only someone ignorant about the many world class fighters he beat would say something like this. A novelty doesn't prove themselves an ATG who gets inducted into the HOF. A novelty doesn't make 15 defences of the world title.
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You can't win a fight when you're walking into punches all the time and barely landing anything yourself. I had it 8/2 for Nina. It was a clear win and a robbery. Maybe learn how to score a fight properly.
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Johnson didn't come close to winning though. Nina landed like 6 to 7 times the punches Johnson did in every round. When Johnson did decide to throw, she missed most of them.
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@minnow2204 British fighters have travelled the most historically and have the greatest resume for wins over seas. No one comes close. The worst is the US. They lose nearly every time they try it which is why it's easier getting blood out of a stone. They travel the least and have the worst resume in history too. But please, list these British fighters that supposedly don't travel? While you're there, tell me why Americans shouldn't have the travel but everyone else should. What is your rational? It can't be money as most of the time the money is better in the UK. Huge offers are put forward only for them to be turned down. No counter offer is forthcoming. And most certainly not to the amount offered to the American.
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Can you tell me which rounds Navarrete won? He only won 3 on my card and was actually dominated.
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@VTvPan The end? You mean the whole of the second half where Sandy beat her up and kept landing clean hard shots and rocking Mayer all over the place. That end? Yeah, sure. We all know who won the fight. And it wasn't Mayer. But enjoy another to go with the thousands of other gift decisions over there. When are you not doing it?
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Did you see Ramirez all bandy on the second knock down? His arms and legs were having a rave in different locations. Did you see the corrupt ref try and protect him again too like the first knock down? Didn't matter, Taylor put him in his place and took the titles that belonged to him.
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@THE_ON3_1990 He's watching the fight i was watching. This was a robbery. But looking at your name, it's clear why you thought Franco won. Not once have i seen a score card from a Mexican that made any sense. You lot justify the most grotesque robberies, whilst claiming fights Mexicans lost as wins. Nobody does bias like you lot. Not even the most corrupt of them all in the Americans.
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That literally makes no sense as Manny is done and the Filipinos have no champions. Japan has plenty. The Philippines are not on that level.
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@justineebourgeois3420 The prime, important opponents that Tyson beat are Holmes who was finished. A chump like Berbick. Bruno who Lewis beat as well but you said he didn't beat any prime and important fighters. And lastly, a Light Heavyweight in Spinks? Haha. Yeah, that doesn't come close to Lewis' resume. The audacity for you to claim Lewis didn't beat any top opponents only to write this shocking list says it all. Holyfield beat a prime Foreman did he? Sorry, but it's clear you're well out of your depth with me. Like Holyfield and Tyson were when facing Lewis.
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Lucky to last against Ramirez? Is this some kind of joke or something? The only world level fighter he stopped was Hooker. Jose lost against both Zepeda and Postal but got gift decisions. Now he's fighting Taylor who has only had 1 round of action in 19 months. So he has all the protection and advantages his way.
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Why, do they show themselves to have less power when they travel? If not, maybe don't say anything unless you can justify it with actual evidence other than doing so with absolute bitterness. Only arrogant people slander those who beat their fighters. Learn some respect.
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@walkemdwn4586 You're definitely salty about Curiel coming out with this. LOL. So insecure and emotional.
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@Baresi-Unico-Capitano He beat every man he ever faced other than Ward. And that's due to Ward refusing the rematch. Sorry, but you're talking about a legitimate ATG here. So what you're saying is grotesquely deluded. You only need to look at the many top fighters he beat to understand this. Hopefully one day you will.
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@Baresi-Unico-Capitano Froch/Ward was a close fight that Ward won. If you think it was a schooling, maybe you should watch it again. Froch won a couple of the first 9 rounds, then swept the last third as Ward gassed out badly and went on his bike. However, Froch got his tactics wrong like he did in the first Kessler fight. He tried countering Ward who had faster hands and feet than him. He needed to push Ward back from the start. He got his chance at the rematch with Kessler and went about it a different way. You saw how clearly he won. But Ward never gave him the chance. He just made a load of delusional excuses. Strange reply though as you don't address the main point that you were horribly wrong with.
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From the full fight, Nina won clearly. She was jobbed here.
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It wasn't close. Hughes dominated the fight. George had zero answers to the vastly superior boxing ability of Hughes. Any other narrative is story time. Nothing else.
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Had Porter not overthrown with most of his shots thus resulting in head clashes, Brook would have stopped him. Brook dominated this fight. Although American judges could still give wide decisions against overseas fighters on the cards due to hideous corruption.
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You're very dedicated aren't you? Haha. Man are you seething.
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Tank fights bums and ducks everyone. How can you run the sport when your resume stinks against nothing but cherry picked garbage? Then see him losing some of those fights before he ended it later in the fight. You don't usually get the decision in a robbery. That's how robberies work.
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@benthekeeshond545 You couldn't point to a time, date and fighter where Lewis ducked. You're making it up as you go along. Lewis was ducked plenty of times though. That's why you'll find all the evidence as it actually happened. You'll find nothing on Lewis though as it didn't happen.
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@alejandrososa919 You'd have to be Maxi's mother to acknowledge the robbery? No, just have the ability to see when one is schooling the other.
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Mayer does not regain champ status. Sandy was for the second time in the US, robbed. Mayer is not the real champ. Sandy is. But this was as predictable as it gets. TopRank is the worst for it. And that's saying something when you see how extreme it is over at PBC and GoldenBoy.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k Where would you get the idea that Hispanic fighters rank 2nd on the ATG list? That doesn't even make any sense.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k I've been around boxing for 40 years. Only children say "Casual" too. How can all Hispanic fighters be 2nd on the ATG list? Where did you get this idea from? Show me. But not only that, you clearly don't know about the many ATG Caucasian fighters in history. There's many more than there is Hispanic fighters. I'm only too happy to educate you. You look as though you need it.
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@talongwatamaghislain9845 Duran has the greater resume on just his Lightweight work than Hearns, Hagler and Leonard do on their entire career work. Don't make me educate you. It will be painful. Duran beat Leonard in the first fight and lost by a point to Hagler who was a natural Middleweight. Claiming it was by a landslide is someone who is blind and clueless. Even though Duran gassed out just past the middle rounds, Hagler still couldn't make use of it and beat him clearly. Then look at the circumstances around the Leonard rematch. If you don't know, i'll happily educate you.
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@Doodle Bob Nobody asked you to. But if your grammar is anything to go by, i expect you to have difficulty reading in the first place.
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Naz had a great chin. The KD's were due to being off balance, not because it was suspect. The 2nd and 3rd weren't even real knockdowns either. Nor was he hit all that much by Kelley. Count how many times he's actually hit. You'll be surprised.
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@davidmt23 You're clearly not British. You're clearly ignorant on Naz's opponents too. They mostly weren't European. They also weren't aged either. They were prime. List them and i'll happily educate you. Those 4 fighters have better careers than nearly everyone around in their time. If losing means getting "Exposed at elite level", then they didn't get anywhere near as exposed as everyone else. But i'd like you to list who they supposedly got exposed by?
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The people who did the set up of the entrance messed it up. That's why Naz took so long to get to the ring. You can even see his shadow behind the screen with him talking to the people there and throwing his hands in the air and telling them he's not waiting any longer.
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How can you school a fighter in an incredibly tight fight? I had Tua by a point by the way. But either way, there was no schooling on show. A schooling would Hopkins against Trinidad, Calzaghe against Lacy. They're schoolings.
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@christophersmith2470 Not only is Leo not world class (He hasn't beaten anyone remotely close to being so) but he didn't give Fulton (Who also isn't world class as he hasn't beaten anyone remotely close to being so) a tough fight at all. It was one sided. Wait until Leo fights even a fringe level opponent. He won't be hanging onto that title. TR will probably try and protect him. But hopefully Turki wants the unification with Ball so he can take another title where he should have 3 titles. Only one to go.
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@shannonballspen1s482 I know, but we're talking about the hype he got from Mexicans and Mexican Americans.
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@shannonballspen1s482 Trust me, go and watch the two fights before he fought Richards and read the comments. They were hyping him because he was "Latino". Richards dominated Gongora. The scores were way too close. He made Gongora's attacks ineffective all night. You can score the punches he landed on one hand.
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@sAMMYsILVER. The US isn't even in the top 3 in the world. List all the actual world level wins without any funny business and you'll see you have very little. Then compare that to the world level wins from other nations.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn Where are you from? I'm sure Americans have better and more proven fighters than where you're from. But will you tell me where you're from? That's the question. If you think all they have is Crawford, then you clearly don't watch enough boxing to be educated.
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@sAMMYsILVER. More deflection i see. Don't worry, i'll do the work for you... Charlo should not be WBC middleweight champion as he hasn't defended in 2 years. It's why he isn't listed in the top 10. The real champion of the WBC is Adames. No one other than Jack Catterall should hold any titles at LightWelter as he beat the undisputed champion in Josh Taylor but was ripped off due to Toprank promoting the event. It was a lopsided win so it isn't even up for debate. Therefore, Teo, Haney and Rolly are not real champions. Hell, Rolly shouldn't have the WBA on account of him getting dominated by Barroso but getting ripped off due to the usual corruption. Not even Teo should hold a title on account of losing last time out. But you should know all about corruption and who benefits from it all the time. No one should hold any world titles at Lightweight as Lomachenko beat Haney for the undisputed title. But he too was ripped off of a win that anyone who watched who is honest, knows he won. Lamont Roach did not beat Garcia for the WBA Super Featherweight title. Garcia too was ripped off. The US therefore has only 5 champions. They are Jesse Rodriguez, Terrence Crawford, Boots Ennis, Jermell Charlo and O'Shaquie Foster. Now, do you need me to do Mexico as well so i can correct you there too? Maybe then you'll list all these world class wins without any funny business being attached. But i can see why you're insecure as i said. I know the truth. By the way, do you think a country with a lot more people than other nations should be judged without per capita being involved to get a correct reading? That would make no sense and be mathematically incorrect. Could you imagine how many champions other nations would have if they had the numbers the US does? It would be a mismatch. So, when i say the US isn't in the top 3. I mean it. As in factually. With all the logic attached to justify that comment.
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If nobody had ever heard of him, how could he then be the "Great white hype"? I feel a more sinister thought process is in play in coming to this conclusion.
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@trojanboxing9873 Nina and Eddie haven't been together for over a year now. He isn't involved here. This is on Dibella and Arum. It was a TopRank card. They're the worst in the business. Then GoldenBoy. Then PBC. But yeah, there does need to be an investigation into it in the US. But they won't do it as it benefits them too much. If it was them getting jibbed away from home all the time, then they'd want to do something.
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Rugby Union is fast and exciting. American Football is boring, slow and senseless. How anybody can watch that shit is beyond me. The US needs to swap over the funds and start getting involved in an international sport in a big way.
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@travelwithtony5767 Yeah, because Americans are internationally known as being intellectuals. Haha. Higher than 80 would leave out most of American society then. Just saying the truth.
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@travelwithtony5767 I'm from England. Why in the hell would i want to live in the US? Being brutally honest? The US is a nightmare i wouldn't want to be a part of. It is not a good place to be. Just knowing more than enough can tell anyone that.
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@travelwithtony5767 There has never been a game where they "Stand around" for 5 minutes for every minute played. Now American Football? It's mostly ads and doing nothing. I thought it was going to be so much more until i actually watched a handful of games. It left me understanding the wanting of getting time back that has been wasted. Horribly wasted. Face the truth... It's the most pointless and boring sport in the world. It didn't even rip off Rugby properly. It basically made a car with square wheels, no steering wheel, and no engine. You'd have to be tedious to watch that shit. Even the most boring Union games are better than the most exciting American football game.
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@travelwithtony5767 We actually have very mild whether in the UK. It may not be sunny all the time, but it's not extreme. The US very much is. But more sun wouldn't be the reason to move. And it isn't exactly a good advertisement for your argument in claiming it to be the best country due to some sun. Is that the best you have to offer? What food do we supposedly not have? You can get any food you fancy. Give me 10 more. I don't need them, but a want them. Your first two were poor to say the least.
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@travelwithtony5767 You should have continued reading the international report... The US is the worst country for mental health problems. So that's another facepalm right there. You haven't given 1 sensible reason as to why the US is the best country in the world. In fact, the opposite. You've proven ignorant on a very laughable level. It's actually quite amusing watching you struggle here. I can see you've spent enough time in the US to take on board their behaviours and characteristics that i know very well indeed. I know the US has different whether conditions when going state by state. Silly. I was just talking on average. Haha.
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@miguelvaldez557 Don't forget Chavez, Morales, medina and all the other Mexicans who quit. How quickly you forget. But why did you bring Saunders into it? Why did this loss hurt you so much you mentioned another fight and claimed we "Forgot"? Are you that emotionally backwards or something?
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@Th-jb3vj We're talking Joshua where he made mistakes but corrected them in the rematch. He dominated Ruiz. He didn't offer it up on a plate like the first fight. Ruiz was left wanting and is now back where he belongs. Joshua is where he belongs with the titles and the best resume in the division. It's all down hill from here on out for Ruiz. He had his luck, now it's gone. Joshua is the superior fighter in every way.
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@guyblack Ramirez had 20 seconds to recover from both KD's by that corrupt ref. Had he let Taylor get to him on that second KD in the time he should have, Taylor would have ended Ramirez right there and then. Taylor won 9 of the 12 rounds, plus 2 KD's, but still, those corrupt judges only had Taylor winning by 2 points. And this is with Taylor only having 1 round of action in 19 months compared to Ramirez having 12 times that and getting rid of the rust in the 12 round fight with Postal. Another fight i may add, that Ramirez also lost. The corruption and carefully picking fights at times that are beneficial to them over there is insane.
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Russell, the guy who just clearly lost to Puello? He isn't even top 5. He'll never be undisputed.
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Naz never got knocked out, clean or otherwise. It was on points.
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Dua can't come from Kosovo as she was born and raised in England. Her parents came from there.
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They were biased against the Irish? Maybe you could help me and point out this supposed bias against them?
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@montbrink4700 Golovkin beat Canelo in fights 1 and 2. It was only when Golovkin was shot in fight 3 did Canelo actually get a legitimate win. How does getting dropped twice guarantee a win in a 12 round fight? This when Fury won most of the rounds? Fury won. Nearly everyone who watched it accepts that fact. Clearly you're biased and refuse to acknowledge it because you want to be the ones who benefit from these robberies. Like always.
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By bringing the fight, do you mean not land on anything other than air while getting hit with 40 punches or more in every round and completely schooled? If that's the case, yeah, Curiel really brought it. LOL. If this was however one of yours doing it, i know you'd change in a heartbeat. You'd love it if one of yours was able to box to this level. But they can't. They just swing at air. They really belong at tough man competitions because they really can't box to save their lives.
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@jujuboxing31 Who are these Europeans you talk about? Could you please list them? Did they fold like Nery, Berchelt and Estrada? Do they cheat like Canelo does all the time with his weakening of his opponents with many different ways to gain advantage like a coward? Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.
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@robinnicholas7867 You haven't been reading much then. Not only were Argentina going to destroy us, but Fiji were too. When it didn't happen the pathetic excuses came. Trust me, it's been all over the internet for over a year now. How can England have had the easiest group when England and Argentina are in the Semi's but Wales and Fiji who come from another group, be out?
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@jeremiahturner1701 I truly hope that you mean Sandy should have got the deserved win. If not, that is worrying. And clearly a projection.
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@deansworld2591 So let's get this straight. You think Sandy only landed a few clean shots over 10 rounds? And you're asking me if i watched a different fight? Clearly i did. Sandy landed about 30 or more hard clean punches in every round in the second half. Sandy was also the busier. Forget about "Compubox". If you think the promoter, the judges and the ref can be as dodgy as you can get where we know their names and see their faces, but the faceless people who push some buttons in the back, are supposedly not? LOL. I've counted the shots landed plenty of times for these fights over there. Guess what each and every one comes back as? Their "Stats" has their fighter landing much more than they did. The overseas fighter who actually won, is down as landing much less they they did. What do you know. Shock horror. Please. Give it a go for yourself if you want. Leave belief out of it when you have facts and evidence. Shu Shu did lose and get a gift. Of course the overseas fighter got jibbed. It's expected. The shock is when an overseas fighter get's their deserved win over there.
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@whenthegaming9916 You can't be famous for something that factually isn't true. Therefore, he isn't famous for having one is he. Naz had a great chin. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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They do what they're paid to do. The winner has already been decided beforehand. That's two British fighters named Hughes involved with Lou Dibella that clearly won their fights only to get stiffed.
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@olliefoxx7165 Name the time and date of the times Naz ducked fighters like you claim? I know how badly Naz was ducked throughout his career, I actually watched him as i've been around boxing for 40 years. You know nothing about him, the time period, or his opponents. You don't even know that most of his world level opponents were from overseas and not British or European. You think he won a Euro belt and nothing else. He won all the world titles and was the very best in the weight class.
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@olliefoxx7165 You've gone quiet haven't you. What's wrong, did you find out you were wrong on every single point you made?
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@30Boxing No it isn't. Your desperation just wants to believe that so you can take full credit should Ramirez win. It's the only way Americans and Mexicans can win. Just look at all their opponents and tell me what you see? I know how you lot operate. If you're struggling, i'll happily list them for you. All you have to do is ask. Only Americans and Mexicans lose with a stacked deck. No one else does. Estrada was prime and bigger than Gonzales, but a past his prime Gonzales lit up Estrada. But the North American corruption came into play like it always does. Berchelt was the bigger guy against Valdez, but got wreaked by him and knocked stupidly out. Valdez couldn't even do that to bums at the lower weight. The drug and weight cheat Nery just got blown away when he didn't have the size advantage. And against a complete bum who can't box to save his life. hell, the opponent before Figueroa even beat Nery, but he got the robbery. When Canelo didn't cripple his opponent last time out against Saunders, you saw him have a lot of success and made Canelo look stupid with his wild misses for large periods of the fight and was losing. Forget what the judges said. They're corrupt like they are in every Canelo fight. But you see what happens when Canelo fights an opponent ready to go. He's lucky he caused the unfortunate injury otherwise he was well on his way to getting another robbery after losing again. Billy was in full control by the end of the 7th round.
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@benthekeeshond545 Are you calling Lewis a chicken who fought past their best fighters?
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@justineebourgeois3420 I asked you to list their important wins against prime fighters. I didn't ask for a strawman fallacy. Not only that, but Lewis turned pro in 89. You're telling me that Tyson and Holyfield were past their best at this time? Haha. Wow. Holyfield hadn't even got started by 89. Tyson was undefeated undisputed champion and 23 years old. But they were pat their best. Haha.
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@justineebourgeois3420 OK, the questions i put to you are very simple. Where are the answers? Is Tyson and Holyfield that poor that you can't even list their best prime wins? The Larry Holmes Tyson fought had been out of the ring for two years. It wouldn't take much to stop that version.
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@justineebourgeois3420 The ref shouldn't have stopped the McCall fight. Lewis got up. But it was a Don King ref and he wanted Lewis frozen out as he wouldn't sign with him. Holmes got dropped in the same way Lewis was against Snipes and Shavers, but he was allowed to go on. Holmes was hurt more as well. But no one claims he has a bad chin. Tyson was out on his feet against Holyfield in the first fight, but again, no one claims he has a bad chin either. I just put it down to people like you who need to try and run him down due to an agenda and talking like you have here without any of it making sense. It's beyond laughable actually. Who cares about Lewis' personality? We're talking about how good he was as a fighter. Nothing else. But tell me who in Heavyweight history has put on the exciting performances and fights at the top level the way Lewis did? Name them and list those fights. I'll happily prove you wrong yet again. Which to be fair, is very easy to do.
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@justineebourgeois3420 That's funny, because Holyfield is less interesting as a personality than Lewis is. Other than scowling, Tyson isn't very interesting either to be fair Hmm. But we're not talking about personalities are we. But you seem to want to push it in that direction. Are you that insecure? It's clear you are. Everything you've said doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Where are those exciting fights and performances against top level opponents i asked for? Do you see they actually don't match up with Lewis there either? I'm happy to prove everything you say is wrong and provide evidence. You seem to want to deflect and throw strawmen arguments about instead.
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@justineebourgeois3420 Why would i need to be bitter? I haven't written anything bitter. You on the other hand though... I mean, you can't even answer questions. You deflect because you know everything i wrote is true and you don't like it. That's being bitter. Now, Where are the performances and exciting fights at the top level from either Holyfield and Tyson that competes with Lewis' line-up? Name these fighters Lewis ducked and waited until they aged? He did no such thing. Lewis was ducked by many though. Tyson, Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman, Bowe etc etc.. But go on, give me the time and date Lewis supposedly did this? You won't because it isn't true. Now come back with a strawman argument and deflect like you always do because the truth makes you clearly bitter.
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@smokemmz Bam made sure the smallest ring allowed was put in place. And no, go and watch the first round which Sunny won with ease. He just needed to build on that. But he came out in the second and instigated the exchanges. Bam hadn't landed with anything by that point. He didn't push Sunny against the ropes. Watch it again.
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@smokemmz I'm not the one mentioning the Bam fight. You are. You're deflecting because you lot hate it when your guy loses . I know exactly what you're all like. And yes, it bothers you greatly watching Curiel get the business done to him. It was a mismatch. Go and find the usual inactive opponents you like. Show us how brave you are.
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@smokemmz LOL. You've done nothing but cry. Why are you here otherwise? To cry.
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@smokemmz Why would i have tears? Your boy was the one getting pinged with ease. It was a mismatch. You're just here to amuse me with how salty you actually are. But you want to project it onto me. Now you're gaslighting. Thing is, you don't even know what gaslighting is. You've seen someone say it and thought "I'll use that to sound intelligent".
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@droo3010 Sorry, but i had to tell you how painful it was reading your comments. To say Haggarty isn't beyond the level of nearly every UFC fighter in the stand-up is astonishing. But to go further and claim Rodtang isn't the best, adds to it. Who is the best if not the champion Rodtang? But wait, it gets even better. You try to downplay a fighter due to losses. That's a very limited scope. You could say that about nearly every ATG in combat sports. Not only that, but you claimed Johnson beating Rodtang is some kind of evidence. They had 1 round of MMA, then 1 round Muay Thai and so on. Johnson ran when it came to the Muay Thai then got him down on the ground where Rodtang literally has no experience. The same Johnson who lost to an actual low level fighter in Brad Picket. Anyone with eyes can clearly see how high level and proven Haggarty is. He's much more proven than any of the British UFC fighters. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. Also learn what "One of the best" means. It doesn't mean THE best.
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@josequintero4624 Americans are in second place. Mexicans are in first place. Why, how many can you name for Americans? There's twice as many for Mexicans. Nearly all your titles are through gifts.
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No he didn't. If you think so, you should refrain from scoring any other fight in the future.
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That ref was put there by no other than Don King. When you look at the corruption between King and the WBC, you need look no further. Throw in the fact Lewis wouldn't sign with King and him trying to freeze Lewis out of the Heavyweight picture, it's clear what happened that day. Lewis should have been allowed to continue.
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@Baresi-Unico-Capitano Ward was in that fight because he won. But only due to Froch getting his tactics badly wrong as i've explained. Froch did so in the first Kessler fight too. But he turned it around by getting his tactics right the second time round. Still no wish to elaborate on Froch being supposedly "Overrated crap" and beating no one of class, even though he did it plenty of times?
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@J.T845 But you said every time he TALKS.
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I'm sorry, i don't get what you mean?
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@paulmurray6663 You don't need to see any Saint George symbols wrapped around him. Is he English, yes or no? That's the only thing that matters. I don't have the Saint George wrapped around me either and i'm English too.
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Nearly all MMA fighters have glass chins. However, you do know the UK produces fighters way beyond the capabilities of Australia? The UK is a breeding ground for ATG's. Australia never has been, nor ever will be.
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@donfalcon1495 What???? Many fans of their international team take their flag with them when they go out. That's like saying "Why would fans take their flag to a stadium" Seriously.
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@John.Flower.Productions Haggarty clearly has your attention with the accusation of PED's. Go on, who did he beat that has you this bitter?
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@dawidvanstraaten Haggarty is coming off 3 KO wins. In fact, almost half of his fights end in a stoppage either way. Strange comment.
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@John.Flower.Productions Tell me how Haggarty is on them but the other fighters aren't? What do you go off here?
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@John.Flower.Productions Which fights did Haggarty bypass the hydration process? Your eyes tell you he's on them even though most other fighters are more chiseled than he is? Your eyes aren't telling you anything then. Your emotions are though.
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@John.Flower.Productions If Haggarty factually bypassed the hydration process like you claim, then you'd be able to provide the evidence for it. What visual signs does Haggarty have that no other fighters have with your accusation?
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@John.Flower.Productions Oh, you're playing that game are you. You know well i didn't ask for signs on the hydration comment. I asked for evidence. I asked for signs for your doping comment. So, when are you actually going to answer the questions instead of deflecting all the time? It's clear what the comments are.
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@bl-nb8fo You keep telling yourself that. They were big favourites and were unbeatable going in. But as soon as they lost, you had to pretend they were done. They weren't even close to being so.
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@John.Flower.Productions Ohhhhh, it's not your place to say even though you're the one who made that comment over and over again about him skipping the hydration process? If it wasn't your place, you wouldn't have made any mention of it on a public comment section. But you made it "Your place". You just don't have any answers to your clear slander. Why can't you tell me how you came to the doping comment? Don't tell me, it isn't your place there either even though you slandered him and actually went out of your way to discredit him. It isn't a fact otherwise you'd say. You just don't like the fact that i'm directly questioning you on your comments. You want to go with vague answers. Not direct and factual ones. It's because you made it all up. No one who likes someone slanders someone with malicious comments. So your comments down stand up to scrutiny there either.
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@John.Flower.Productions The only one you're exposing, is yourself. By the fact you've spoken about this on a public forum, it could very easily be traced back if it were true. But that's the thing, it isn't. No one who has any genuine thoughts to protecting a "Someone" who may face repercussions if this got out would go out there a spew it on social media and have them become involved. It's nothing but a cop out coming out with this because it's slander. Nothing more. Certain people like their own comments to make them look justified. There are parts of the world that do this on the regular. It's sad. It's easy to know who does it if you're clued up.
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@John.Flower.Productions You keep on with the "Liable" comment because you're in need of feeling like you're in control when, you clearly aren't. We're going with ad hominem attacks now? I'm not a kid, i'm in my 40's. But nice try. You've already betrayed them by speaking about it on a public forum. What part of that are you not understanding? You were trying to discredit Haggerty but copped out when asked to justify it. You knew you couldn't as it was nothing but "Liable" so made up some story. Don't make accusations you can't support in future. Now sit back and watch the Thai's get the business like they've been getting over the past few years. And this is only the start of it. More will come. Just like it happened in Pride with the Japanese. Soon you'll be watching through your fingers it will get so bad.
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@rickydunbar330 You don't think Haggerty is a quality fighter? Yeah, he is. I think the original comment describes him perfectly.
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@HatersHaveOpinion1 No he didn't. What are you talking about? And it's "Lost to" not loss to.
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@RandyTorres818 Gonzales won 9 rounds against both Estrada the first time, and Cuadras. To even come close to thinking either is a robbery is pure insanity. But then again, you could win all 12 rounds against a Mexican and it would still be called a robbery.
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@petek2316 Where did you get this idea from that the entire world were laughing? Every top country has had losses like this every now and then. Therefore, what you're saying makes no sense. Speaking on behalf of the world is just sheer arrogance. It's your toxicity and xenophobia. Own it.
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@ModernistGaming85 It's very clear by the obsession with the English in all walks of life including football. You watch in the hope they lose. Claiming otherwise is straight lying.
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@olliefoxx7165 What are you talking about? Naz beat every WORLD champion out there. WBO champion Robinson. WBC champion Soto. IBF champion Johnson. WBA champion in Vasquez. You don't even know what you're talking about. That's the delusion i'm dealing with here. Naz fought Belcastro, Medina, Badillo, Johnson, Robinson at international world level before he fought in the US. Stop talking. Naz was dropped once by Kelley by leaning back from the punch. The other two weren't even KD's. At no point did he look like losing. Tell me when he was hurt the way Kelley was? Naz retired because of injuries and not having the motivation to start again. It was talked about for years how his dedication wasn't what it should have been. As i've already said, the fight with Barrera should have taken place years beforehand but Barrera kept ducking it. Naz knocked out an Ingle who knocked out the fighter who beat Barrera twice. Triangular theories don't work. Educated people know this so don't worry yourself. It's clear you're clueless.
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O'Malley and Topuria have never faced fighters with this level of stand-up so haven't been forced to defend like Haggerty has. If they did, they wouldn't be standing for long. In a fight on the feet, Both O'Malley and Topuria would be stopped by Haggerty. He's too good for them in the stand-up. LOL to saying Haggerty doesn't last a round with them. Seriously, thanks for the laughs.
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The English born Daniel Wiffen with English parents who were also born and raised in Leeds, England. Is "Getting our hands on one of your own"? Oh, right. That's a new one.
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You mean you want to give as many negative characteristics to the English based on how racist, toxic and arrogant you are? Can you think of any more to get off your chest?
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@RM_2423 Would you like me to list all the smaller, shot, inactive and compromised opponents for you to make the list i've just given you look small?
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@alexmartinez-og8gu You thought Floyd ran against Canelo? No, he didn't. He outclassed Canelo with ease. Now Canelo, he ran in the first Golovkin fight and lost. But as we know, he got a gift. I know you claim anyone who beats your lot as "Track stars" in order to discredit them, but you say nothing when your lot actually are using more movement in fights. It's bitterness and insecurity. You feel this way for a reason. All you do is lose to these "Track stars". You have throughout history. On a level playing field, you lose 9 and a half out of 10 of the time. History details those facts. In fact, you lose this amount against anybody. Look at the results.
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@FhillipFry You clearly know nothing about Aussie boxing history if you think Kambosos is the most accomplished. He's not even close.
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An ATG and the best at the wright for over 5 years, wasn't a world level fighter? I suppose Barrera wasn't either after getting knocked out by Jones and losing the rematch on points? Maybe to show Barrera how much he wasn't world level was Pacquiao who moved up a weight and dominated and stopped him. Maybe anyone who was beaten was shown they weren't world level. Educate yourself and stop coming out with ignorance.
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@TheKing-tl8si Naz beat every world champion in his weight class. He won 16 world title fights over a period of 5 and a half years as the best at the weight which was Featherweight, not Bantamweight.
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@TheKing-tl8si Those names you listed. Why did you list them? Rocky? Junior? What are you trying to say? You actually don't even make a point.
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Santiago beat a shot Donaire who who was coming from a second round KO and 13 months out of the ring. Santiago is not on Nakatani's level. Never was. Never will be. Maybe Santiago can find himself another inactive shot fighter coming fresh off a KO to create the perception of being somebody in world boxing. However, he'll be dealt with in the same manner should he take on a fresh active fighter like he did with Nakatani.
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richiengnt Why would it change the fact he's English just because he represents Ireland?
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@jamesirvine2579 Close fight or not, Taylor won it. I'd like to see a rematch down the road when both are free to do so. But there's business to take care of elsewhere before that can happen.
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I see you didn't like watching Curiel get schooled the way he did? LOL. Maybe with another limited opponent your guy would have some success. At the top level though, he has no chance. Or just find an inactive opponent the way the rest of your lot do. On a level playing field, you don't win much at all.
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@smokemmz Sunny was beat up by Curiel? Is that what you saw? No, he dominated and schooled Curiel. But it's clear you're not happy coming out with comments like this and projecting it onto me. It isn't my fault the truth isn't to your liking. Clearly i hit a nerve.
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@olliefoxx7165 Fury does no such thing as fighting the best of the best. Those who knocked him down were scrubs including Wilder who still to this day hasn't beaten a world class fighter. You also obviously don't know his opponents either as most of the world level fighters he beat weren't European. You're like most when it comes to talking about Naz's career. Absolutely clueless.
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Naz was great, but he's nowhere near to being Britain's best ever.
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bigdog4865 Like i told the original poster, Calzaghe was great, but nowhere near the best Britain has to offer historically.
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@KausarClassics Calzaghe wasn't a Middleweight, he was a SuperMiddle. Collins is nowhere near to being the best ever, nor was he British. He's Irish. Not only that, but Collins ducked Calzaghe when they were supposed to fight. He dropped the title so Calzaghe and Eubank fought for the vacant title. At no point before that fight was mandated was Calzaghe supposed to fight Collins. Calzaghe only had a handful of fights before then and hadn't even fought at world level yet.
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@KausarClassics How can you give an opinion when you don't even know what weight class Calzaghe fought at? You don't know enough to be making comments. But it gets worse... You claim that we (British) produced Steve Collins. We didn't, as he's Irish from the Republic. But it gets even worse than that... You claim Calzaghe ducked him until he was on his pension, but when i correct you, you come back and say Calzaghe wasn't out of puberty by the time Collins retired and contradict yourself. The only one who ducked, was Collins. Calzaghe wasn't even in a position to fight Collins until the time he became mandatory. Calzaghe has a better resume than Collins, Benn, Eubank and Naz. Head to head, he beats them all. I know what i'm talking about. You clearly do not. Calzaghe had too much of a great chin to be getting knocked out by anyone. Great fighters are not based on their power or how entertaining they were. It's based on their achievements. Calzaghe achieved more than they did. It's quite simple.
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bigdog4865 I'm talking historically, not the last 30 years. Do some research on fighters like Jimmy McLarnin, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Jack "Kid" Berg, Freddie Welsh, Jimmy Wilde, Bob Fitsimmons, Charley White, Matt Wells, Owen Moran etc etc... However, in the last 30 years, Lennox Lewis is better than Calzaghe. As is all the names i put down amongst others. Calzaghe's great, but he's nowhere near our best in history.
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bigdog4865 And? Are you saying that anyone who is undefeated is automatically better than anyone with defeats on their record? You think Calzaghe is better than every fighter in history who have defeats then? Lewis shouldn't have been stopped against McCall. It was bogus. Against Rahman, he didn't train properly and never arrived in South Africa in time to acclimatise to the altitude. It's why his mouth was wide open from the first round. That's what the talk was in the build up and whether an upset might take place because of it. When he trained and focused properly for the rematch, he wiped Rahman out.
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bigdog4865 Eventually? You make it sound as though it was a struggle and Lewis got it done late in the fight. He dominated for 3 and a half rounds then knocked him out with a great shot to get his titles back. Both Lewis and Calzaghe had great technical abilities. But i'd give it to Lewis as he punched in a correct manner with either hand. Joe could slap with some of his shots. Calzaghe wasn't English. He's Welsh. Dave Allen has always been a bum. At no point have i insinuated anything of the sort. That's a fallacy. To put Lewis and Allen in the same argument like they're pretty equal to each other is what is insane. Point out specifically what makes me 80 years old and a week close to death in what i wrote? You're the one who thinks being undefeated means "Better" than someone who has defeats. But you still didn't answer the question. Do you think Joe is better than any fighter in history who was defeated?
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@KausarClassics Like what? be specific.
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@KausarClassics By my logic? Where have i claimed wins over completely shot fighters mean anything? Are you saying Hopkins and Eubank were as shot as Ali was when Holmes fought him? Hopkins and Eubank were still great fighters. Why would you think they're not? You want me to name prime world class fighters Calzaghe fought? Kessler, Lacy, Reid. There's a few. Haha. "Name one". What. For the record, Calzaghe wasn't at his best when facing Hopkins and Jones in the last two fights of his career. Plus, Calzaghe wanted the pair of them years earlier but they both ducked him.
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bigdog4865 Yes, Calzaghe is Welsh. He was only in England for 6 months before they went to Wales. No one thinks of him as English. Not even Joe.
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@KausarClassics I asked why you think they were "Well, well past their best"? Eubank was 31. Hopkins at that point had beaten Tarver, Wright beforehand. Pavlik, Pascal twice, and Cloud afterwards. But he was finished? Haha. Calzaghe was past his best more than Hopkins was with his hands badly damaged and his legs nowhere near as strong as they used to be. You can even see his base in his prime compared to those later days. Hopkins had only lost a bit of speed at that time. Reid was very much a world class fighter who picked up the WBC title and has wins over Nardiello, Vasquez, Cherifi and dominated Ottke only to get ripped off in one of the biggest robberies in history. You asked for top world class fighters in their prime. I gave you more than 1 by giving 3 names in Kessler, Lacy and Reid. There are more, but you only asked for one. Maybe read properly. The fact anyone would think Hopkins destroys anyone on the level of Calzaghe is hilarious. Yeah, Hopkins destroyed many fighters as good as Calzaghe. Haha.
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@KausarClassics Hopkins was asked what it would take for the fight to be made. He came back with the fight having to take place in the US, and he would get the biggest payday of his career in 3 Mill. Showtime and Warren agreed. The very next day, Hopkins came back with a 6 Mill request. He thought he could get rid of Joe by pricing himself out the first time only to be shocked that they agreed with his demands. So he made sure to get rid of him by doubling the asking price. A little research can help you with these facts. Jones asked for 10 Mill and ducked like he did with everyone in or around his weight class. Many wanted to fight him, but he didn't want to fight them. It's why by choice he fought bums all the time. Even his TV backers in HBO called him "Reluctant Roy". My favourite duck though was the Nigel Benn one where he refused to fight him as he "Didn't want to end up like Gerald McClellan" Embarrassing. Even when they did fight with Joe being by far the A side to Jones he wanted the fight in the US and an even split of the money. Who in their right mind asks the champion to come to them and give them half the money? Crazy. But it was the only way to get him in the ring. When he did, you saw what happened. Roy always ducked his toughest opponents. Enjoy your education as it's clear you know nothing of what you speak.
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@KausarClassics Being an ex model means you can't be world class? Reid proved himself world class by beating world class fighters. You're coming up with nothing but a mass of fallacies. I asked you a simple question. Why were Hopkins and Eubank way, way past their best like you claim? You've just written something mindless. I never said Eubank was at his absolute best. You're making it up as you go along. I said he and Hopkins were still great fighters. They weren't even close to being as shot as Ali was when facing Holmes. Neither of them were shot. Calzaghe wasn't at his best for either them too. Calzaghe was green when facing Eubank, and past his best when facing Hopkins. But he, like Hopkins, was still a great fighter. You're bringing Mosley into it now? What. What is the purpose of that? Do you not know how to rationalise your argument? It's a mess. Who are all the world class fighters Hopkins beat? While you're there, tell me all the world class fighters Hamed beat. Don't contradict yourself on anything. You've already done enough of that.
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@KausarClassics You've changed your name now to "Just Cruisin" Haha.
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@boxingmonthly Again, another close fight. But one that Calzaghe won. No schooling took place.
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@boxingmonthly He beat him down now? Haha. He didn't come close to beating him down. He moved constantly and then tried to get points taken from him late in the fight due to Calzaghe's constant pressure. He wanted points taken because he knew he was losing. Calzaghe knew he'd won.
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@boxingmonthly 1) Anyone who uses words like "Casual" towards others is themselves, nothing but a casual trying to pretend they know what they're talking about. They don't. They're too obvious. Like you. 2) Nobody before Calzaghe had had the connect rate he did on Hopkins that night. 3) The pressure got to Hopkins so much, he feigned being hurt with a low blow that didn't even have anything on it. It was pathetic. Hopkins was gasping in the later rounds. 4) Calzaghe has never once said Hopkins won that fight. You're lying. 5) Looking at a few videos on your YouTube page, there's Khan and Naz there. Both, like Hopkins, are Muslim. So it's clear to see your bias there. Calzaghe won. Hopkins tried everything to get across the line, but it wasn't enough. And it wasn't even a top Calzaghe performance. He could have done much better. Hopkins though, couldn't top that performance.
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@boxingmonthly No, i've been watching boxing for decades. You clearly haven't. You're childish. That is clear to see. Pointing out your bias due to them being Muslim is being "Anti Muslim"? Man are you idiotic in the extremes. You better be a troll. This is painful. Calzaghe won, not the judges. Remember where the fight was held. Hopkins is American. Calzaghe isn't. There would be no benefit for judges to rip Hopkins off. But as i said in my previous comment, it's clear why you're biased. Hopkins wasn't like most at 42. He was still a great fighter. He proved that before and after the Calzaghe fight. The fight could have happened years earlier, but Hopkins ducked the fight. He got what he asked for when negotiating the terms, but thought he gave a price they wouldn't be able to pay. Well, he was wrong. They agreed, but the next day asked for double what he and his team asked for. Hopkins knew how good Joe was from the get go. It's just that Hopkins couldn't run from the fight any more. Are you talking about the little nick Calzaghe had on his nose when he talk about supposed damage to his face? Haha. You're a full on dribbler. Too backwards for words. Show me where Calzaghe said he lost the fight like you claimed?
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@boxingmonthly You're not a hardcore boxing fan of over 25 years. You're too obvious as i say. You come off as an 8 year old with a serious head injury. You're clueless about boxing. That is very clear.
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@boxingmonthly I'm 40 years old, not in my 80's. I don't need to be wise where you're concerned. So you're not going to answer the question then? Thought as much.
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@boxingmonthly Haven't you got a dog poo to poke or something? Anyone who spends time trolling is lacking in intellect. I won't reply to any other comment that doesn't have evidence of Calzaghe saying what you claimed he did. Which means i won't be replying to anything you comment because i know it's a lie.
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@boxingmonthly I need to correct you on this comment. I said "I've been watching for decades", Not 40 years. You plank. Learn to read.
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@boxingmonthly I haven't made any mention of where we come from. But it's clear you came from nothing. Now go away little boy.
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The Brits are the number 1 nation in boxing. If Warrington is all you know, you know nothing.
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The hype from America is always proven to be empty. You should never listen to anything that comes out of that country.
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@brunop11 You should go on some Gongora fights and read from all the Mexican Americans and what they're saying about him. He was getting hyped after beating Akhmedov.
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But the doctor didn't stop the fight in the Tszyu fight did he like he did here? Some people, hey.
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@smokemmz The doctor looked at both Tszyu and Sunny. They stopped the Sunny fight but let the Tszyu fight go on. The corner asked for the doctor to take a look in both fights. Why wouldn't they with cuts that bad? Why, were you hoping it would continue so Curiel could take advantage in the hope of winning by unfair means because he couldn't come close to in a fair fight? LOL. Can you not win a fair fight?
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@smokemmz Sunny didn't ask for the doctor. His corner did. It's why you won't be able to point out Sunny supposedly "Begging" for it to be stopped. You're literally making it all up. Is Sunny schooling Curiel left you this salty? LOL. It seems it to me.
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@smokemmz How many times do you need to be told? The doctor stopped it. Not Sunny. You claimed that Sunny was begging for it to be stopped. Well? Show me where in the fight that happened? The very fact you've stopped responding tells me you're telling lies. You're making it up as you go along.
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@smokemmz I'm the one gaslighting? No, you're the one doing that. You said Sunny begged for the doctor. Well, what are you waiting for. Tell me the part in the fight Sunny did that?
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@smokemmz You said Sunny was begging for the doctor to stop it. Now you've changed your story again. As i say, you're just making it up as you go along. Sunny didn't want out. You only tell yourself that to make yourself feel better after Sunny made it look too easy. Just accept reality and the fact Curiel wasn't anywhere near his level. Sunny said he was fine actually if you listen back. But the doctor said it was too bad to go on. Sunny only showed the cut the camera after the fact the doctor stopped it.
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@smokemmz Naz is greater than nearly every Mexican in history. Only a few of your lot have better resumes then he did. So if he's overrated, then so are nearly every one of yours in history. No one however is more overrated than Canelo. His entire resume is smoke and mirrors. You only need to look at the condition they were in before Canelo would fight them. He's made a career of it. In fact, all your fighters do. Go and look if you don't believe me. Tell me all the world class opponents you've beaten without any conditions put on them or inactivity? Just see how small the list you could give is where they have any credibility. Nearly all of them don't have any. Then when you look at the gift decisions? You get nothing but.
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@smokemmz Curiel getting dominated by Sunny must have really hurt for you to find this thread after half a year. That's equally worrying as it is funny. LOL. Naz is like Edwards? Does that make sense to you? Canelo is like every one of your fighters in history with their defeats. See how silly it sounds? Hopefully you get over it in a year or so. Or maybe not. LOL.
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Yeah, this comment from you is "Not complaining". What was it then?
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Incorrect. Bob Fitzsimmons did it, and did it properly. Fitz was the real champion at Middle, Heavy and Lightheavy. Roy Jones never was the true lineal champion at any weight. He ducked far too many fights so never dared to even attempt it.
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@richardhutchinson9646 This is part 4 in a series of knock out video's. The fights you're talking about will probably be in one of the earlier video's. Did you say they were all fine? Yeah, Castillo getting knocked out by Smith where he twitches and spasms wasn't brutal at all. I'm surprised he didn't get straight up and put it on Callum. It was a nothing shot.
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@sergioperez8086 Fury, AJ and Taylor have superior resumes than any Welterweight. You're talking delusional nonsense. The only reason you consider them to be weak is because Brits own those divisions. The Welterweight division is the most overrated in boxing. What has any of them done?
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@ironkongpk4849 Mexicans never have and never will run boxing. You barely have any wins at world level without a mass of advanatges attached. Try it and see if you think otherwise. Japan, Ukraine, UK and Russia are the real fighting nations.
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@sAMMYsILVER. I asked for the world level wins from the US, not for you to deflect. By doing that, it shows you're not confident. List all supposed champions from the US, Mexico, and Peurto Rico? I think you have your numbers messed up.
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@sAMMYsILVER. Catterall hasn't lost in that time. So how can this be an invalid argument? Claiming so and so would win is not an argument against actual facts. We're dealing in facts here, not feelings. I think you mean Teo fought and beat a Taylor who was coming off a loss and being out of the ring for 16 months to which he looked like a shot fighter. Had Taylor been at his best, Teo not only would have lost to him as Taylor is a superior fighter, but would have had no wish to fight him. He only did so because he was weakened due to inactivity. You only need to look at Americans and Mexicans fighting those who are inactive, coming off a loss, drained or shot before they fight them. Go and look at the vast majority of their opponents and tell me what you see? Then see what happens to them when they're the ones under these conditions. They lose them all. Catterall has a style that would have him win every round against Teo. Teo is a low level fighter who can't deal with boxers on the back foot. How many times do you need to see him being incapable of fighting on the front foot before you accept this reality? He carefully selects his opponents because he knows he isn't good enough. He lost against Ortiz, Martin and Kambosos for a reason. Taylor was shot due to inactivity, and Loma really was a draw. His only viable win over someone fringe or world class without any funny business is Commey. Nearly everyone who watched the Loma vs Haney fight had Loma winning. Only those from the US claimed otherwise. We know why they'd justify a robbery. They justify all the others too. Are you saying Rolly legitimately stopped Barroso? Barroso dominated and dropped Rolly and had a corrupt ref stop the fight when Barroso didn't even get hit at the time of stoppage. It was in fact Rolly who did. You only need to look at the corruption Toney Weeks as ref has been involved in. All of it in favour of American fighters. The US only has 5 real title holders. That's a fact when looking at the evidence. Claiming a robbery as legitimate is invalid. No matter how biased you are. Do you want to tell me how many Mexicans hold legitimate titles, or do i have to do the work for you again? Are you going to tell me how many legitimate world level wins Americans have without any funny business, or do i have to do that work for you too? Do you even accept per capita as the only way to get a factual and rational reading?
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@sAMMYsILVER. The US actually has 5, not 12 world title holders. I've already shown you the facts. But it seems you're not willing to continue this discussion with someone who is educated. You'd prefer to run off as you know you can't compete with the facts. Typical.
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@decidingpaper6324 He hasn't made a fair point as the US really only has 5 world title holders. The rest are illegitimate. I've already proven that on this very thread. Sammy doesn't wish to engage further with me though as he knows i know my stuff. He only wants to engage with those who don't expose his arguments.
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@sAMMYsILVER. I'll break this down to one point at a time so you can't write a load of nothingness in reply. You agreed Catterall beat Taylor. So if he beat Taylor when he was undisputed and hasn't lost in that time, how can i be dealing in feelings and not facts? All you're doing is firing back at me what i'm saying to you. The huge difference is, i can justify my comments. You agree with them then contradict yourself again. That's why i say you're dealing with feelings over facts. Catterall is the real champion. You agree with that fact as you say he beat Taylor. Now do you understand when i say you're dealing in nothing but feelings?
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn It seems all your replies have been shadow banned due to them containing nothing of any substance. However, you say you're from the country that runs Heavyweight boxing. You're not a Brit or from the Ukraine. So, why lie? Are you too embarrassed to say where you're from? You refuse to actually name the country. Would you like to try that again? But this time, actually name the country.
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@sAMMYsILVER. It's delusion even though you agree that Catterall beat Taylor? So you're delusional then? What you mean is, you want to deflect and shut this discussion down as you know i'll expose every inch of what you write. Catterall clearly beat Taylor and that is based in reality and facts. Those who do not wish to engage in facts and reality are biased and do so to pretend otherwise because it benefits them. But it is all corruption and falsehoods. Nothing you've said has any value what-so-ever. Anyone can cheat and be corrupt. Well, those not good enough otherwise. And that's where you come in. Your fighters are not good enough unless they do so. It's why they need it en mass. They do nothing but lose otherwise. It's why you deflected again when i asked for legitimate world level victories without any funny business. You're clearly insecure about the truth. That has been made very clear by you. You're as dishonest as your fighters. But you live a complete lie.
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@sAMMYsILVER. If it's a delusion to think Catterall is the real champion, then you're delusional as you agree that Catterall clearly won. But now you're contradicting yourself? You're the only one i've seen who thinks Rolly is the real WBA champ after getting dominated by Barroso and not even get hit at time of stoppage. The facts are seen on screen. Only delusion and lies would allow anyone to think differently. Check out the comments on all the fight videos and see who is right and wrong here. See who the delusional one is.
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@ILVER. Look at you are with all the ad hominem attacks. Haha. You're desperate to shut this down. It's different isn't it when delusion is exposed. You even played the same game when the reply was an hour later yesterday. You even questioned my IQ when it came to your comment being shadow banned, you claimed it was my problem and that i should have the IQ to find it. Priceless. You said my arguments were "Filled with baseless claims of robberies" even though you agreed. How can they be baseless when you agree? How can they be baseless when everyone agrees Barroso was ripped off? Your argument is all over the place. It's clear where the delusion is coming from. Oh, by the way. When you said this was eating away at me, learn what projection is. Nothing was eating away at me. But you? Yeah, you gave it away with every post. I think i proved my points quite nicely, don't you?
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@sAMMYsILVER. All you're throwing is ad hominem attacks. You're desperate to shut this down. It's different isn't it when someone can't get away with actual baseless claims . You even played the same game when the reply was an hour later yesterday. You even questioned my IQ when it came to your comment being shadow banned, you claimed it was my problem and that i should have the IQ to find it. Priceless. You said my arguments were "Filled with baseless claims of robberies" even though you agreed. How can they be baseless when you agree? How can they be baseless when everyone agrees Barroso was ripped off? Your argument is all over the place. Oh, by the way. When you said this was eating away at me, learn what projection is. Nothing was eating away at me. It was with you though, you gave it away with every post. I think i proved my points quite nicely, don't you?
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@sAMMYsILVER. Have you resorted to blocking my comments now? It isn't being shadow banned as there isn't anything in the comment that could have it banned. I think that proves my point quite nicely.
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@sAMMYsILVER. How can it be my delusion on display when you said it was baseless that Catterall was robbed even though you agreed he was? How can it be my delusion when you said it was baseless with Rolly getting the robbery even though everyone agrees on all the video's of that fight? Point out the delusion to me? Be specific? You can't. It's clear who is though. You do read the comments. Why would you reply with all your comments otherwise? You just don't like it when your arguments are factually proven incorrect.
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Lou Dibella was involved with the Maxi Hughes decision as well as this one. He even had the audacity to call them both close fights. Maxi and Nina clearly won the fights. They weren't even remotely close.
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@jackkinseyoutdoors1321 Not as much as you were by the team we smashed every second of play in New Zealand. Now that was funny. As was seeing the tears from the Welsh after failing in another Semi that you didn't even deserve to be in. Justice was done to those who stole what wasn't theirs.
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@joselitocastro3671 Frampton was a vastly superior fighter to anything Magdaleno could ever dare to become. You only need look at who each fighter beat to know this. The only world class fighter Magdaleno beat was Donaire. The other two fighters he fought at world level dominated him with one (Dogboe) knocking him out.
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@cashree2370 Joyce is the WBO mandatory. And he's not old in fighting terms. He's in his prime and would wreak Ajagba in a very one sided fight that doesn't last long. it would be a violent beating. Dubois would bang him out too.
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I'm sorry, what????? Who is doing this in this video? And which fighters do this overseas?
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@ryanjustice2670 Asking me to watch every British fight isn't an answer, is it? I want actual fights and rounds to prove your point wasn't just the ramblings of an idiot. Joshua doing so in his first fight isn't exactly incriminating. It's like me saying every American does so because of Hopkins and Andre Ward. They did it in most fights. But the most hilarious thing here is, AJ didn't grab the back of the neck of Leo as you can see on the video. Leo in fact grabs AJ's arm. So you haven't even given me a single fight where it happens with a British fighter. Your example horribly fails. But my two examples clearly don't. Funny that isn't it? You must be American. This level of madness usually is.
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@joselitocastro3671 Why was it fixed? Would it need to be fixed in order for Donaire to lose? He must have been in quite a few fixed fights then considering how many times he lost.
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@travelwithtony5767 Who said i didn't understand how it works? I said the play stops far too much and it's boring and senseless. I thought i was going to get an aggressive and fast game. What i actually got was the opposite. Not what i expected. I'm sorry, but it's shit. I'm just telling the truth. There's a reason why it's only the Americans who really play it. Rugby Union is international.
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@travelwithtony5767 You seem to be reaching desperation point now. Who said Rugby was as popular as the biggest sport on the planet in Football? Maybe make valid points so as not to make yourself look silly. Rugby is the Daddy of American Football, it was the originator, not a castoff. What country do you originally come from?
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@travelwithtony5767 You seem to have deflected away from the point of food? What food don't we supposedly have over here? You gave the very boring and tired comment of it being bad. So, tell me how good or bad. You made the comment in the first place. You only need to do a bit of research of the average intelligence of Americans. Many videos on here to get started if you take the time. Higher than 80 was actually your comment. You would have known that if you were an adult. But don't worry, i'm not taking you seriously. You're keeping me entertained if i'm honest.
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Your English is exemplary. Thank you for such wonderful insights from a clear intellect about the game we all love.
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Why would Bradley want to be the fighter who got dominated over the fighter who did the dominating?
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Lewis jabbed at Grant only for him to duck under the shot. Lewis just kept his hand in place to get the uppercut off and keep himself balanced. Had Lewis grabbed at Grant and forced him down there, you'd have a point. But that didn't happen.
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@MAGIKMARTIAN9526 He didn't hold his head down though. Grant dipped down and stayed there as he thought he was safe from getting hit. Just because Lewis' hand stayed after missing the jab, it doesn't mean he held him down. Grant got down there of his own movements. You think Lewis' left hand is more powerful than grant's legs to push himself back up? Hell no.
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You say this on a Cordina fight? Who is talking about Cordina? No one. If you want overrated, then look no further than your own fighters in the US. Nearly all your fighters are given credentials they haven't come close to earning. But when they step up, they get no more than a win or two at world level before getting sent packing. No American has the kind of resume that Fury, AJ and Taylor have. Same with Mexico. There's a reason they both look for fighters who have been out of the ring for ages or have some other disadvantage placed upon them. Still they lose many of those fights. No one else does. When at their best, both the US and Mexico hardly ever win. They have to bring in their corrupt judges to rip off the overseas fighter. The amount of robberies for both over the last 3 years has been grotesque. It's always been this way, but has become even more extreme. Sorry, but you're the premier conveyer belt of hype jobs. If you don't believe it, we can get into it if you want. But i'll dominate you with the truth. Like i do with every other idiot who talks this level of delusion.
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@bensanders8443 Fury was in bad shape for the 1st and 3rd Wilder fights. But even at his worst he beat the best Wilder. Also, are you forgetting Fury beating Wlad? Wlad dominated the division for over a decade but Fury clearly beat him. So that is a very silly comment.
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@Tremelle_ Who are the elites in the US? And i want real elites who have proven it. No hype, robberies or against fighters who were going through bad circumstances.
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@tylerb6436 That doesn't exactly narrow it down does it? Which comment are you referring to? When you do that, i'll happily prove you wrong on whatever point it is and show the mass of evidence against.
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Is he the guy who was nearly knocked out by a decent fighter who had been out of the ring for a year? Could you imagine what would happen if "Mean machine" was active like Ortiz has been? Wow.
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@MrJimmyc82 Are you of the opinion Vergil's resume isn't weak either? I'm not disputing Ennis having a nothing resume. But the same goes for Vergil too.
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@gddd6061 The fact you think Mayer dominated proves his point. Not only did Sandy win the first, she won this fight too. No way she was getting any decision. No one from overseas is. The gifts in the US are en mass. That's all i'm seeing. It's always been bad over there. But it has nothing on the last 6 years.
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@gddd6061 The fact the word "Casual" was used tells me the mental age here. That's for kids. I've been around boxing for decades. And i know what i clearly saw, like i always do with boxing over there. Tell me which rounds Mayer won? Let's see you justify this. But guess what, i know for a fact you won't. You'll deflect and do everything but justify it.
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@jr3753 Who are these great Mexican fighters?
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This is rugby 7's. The six nations is Union. Please keep in the right lane when stroking the ego the way you like to do all over the place. It's the least you can do.
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@marantz1 It makes a huge difference as they're different codes. It's ignorant to think they're the same. The six nations doesn't develop our 7's players. But there's more... Not many people play 7's or league over here. It's all about union. England don't even have a 7's team. It's team GB now due to there not being the financial backing. Then when you look at the fact that Ireland beat South Africa in the world cup and should have been beaten by England (Who are in their worse period in history i may add) and France but had the ref on side in both games, tells you even more. Even if the games stood, South Africa only won by a single point. So if the NH need help, what does that say about South Africa? Surely you're rubbish if you can only beat these teams who need help by one point. Therefore, why would you be going round pretending it meant something? I wouldn't boast about winning by a single point against teams who need help. In fact, i'd say we're the ones who need help and should be doing much better, considering. You may now come back with the usual fallacy. Predictability at it's finest.
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@marantz1 As i said, predictability at it's finest. Haha. You were the one doing the talking. I just pointed you in the right direction. The NH will ALWAYS lose when it matters? I guess you missed England winning in 2003? Maybe look up the definition of "Always". It sucks even more though when you lose to the NH and need a ref to help you out. As i said before, i'd be worried if i lost to those who sucked and needed refs to get wins by the skin of our teeth. Very worried.
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@marantz1 Very, very slight hyperbole? Are you sure? Haha. Yeah, it looks very very slight doesn't it. Forget the fact that you thought the 7's had anything to do with union as well. My arguments proved every point you had wrong. That's what winning an argument is all about. Pointing out the fact you didn't win those games other than having the ref on your side is acceptable. Why, would you sit back and say nothing had you been ripped off in a world cup? Don't be silly. Anyone can win world cups through cheating and corruption. That's the whole point of it. No one bother with corruption if it didn't give them results.
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@NelsonVanDweller You're not a Brit, stop lying.
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@NelsonVanDweller Then you must have missed the Mexicans being beaten by Brits then. The only reason they've had a little bit of success against some of our lower level fighters recently is due to them being badly prepared due to the crippling lockdowns over here. Sparring and proper camps were not happening like it was for the Mexicans. They're sparring and keeping active, unlike our lot. But when they come up against someone prepared, the Mexican loses.
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@HugoRamirez-fw5ny You can whoop someone by using boxing skills. The reason Mexicans don't use skill, is because they don't have any for the main part. Do you think they like being used as punch bags for the world and getting hit with every punch thrown? What did you think Sanchez and his movement? What did you think of Canelo doing laps of the ring in the first Golovkin fight?
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@webdev7348 You can get marked by just a single jab. The truth is, Nina clearly won and Johnson isn't anywhere near to being even fringe class.
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@constantine7382 Sorry, but what you're saying is preposterous. Whitaker was a great fighter. You're saying he beat Chavez's re-treads? Hilarious considering he beat Chavez and De La Hoya only to get robbed in both. But tell me who he ducked? Then tell me which fighters Chavez beat that weren't re-treads? I agree about him being a whiner. He was a straight diva. But that doesn't change the fact he was a great fighter. Mayweather, Haugen, Ramirez, Pendleton, Nelson, Trinidad, Chavez, De La Hoya, Paez, McGirt, Vasquez, Hurtado were unknowns and didn't have a chance to win due to being so low level? Hahahaha. Yeah, alright. Sure.
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@constantine7382 I guess you accept i proved you wrong by your absence.
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@constantine7382 Your comment isn't showing for me. It isn't in my notifications nor is it on screen.
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@constantine7382 Sorry about this being a bit late. I've been busy. We'll address all this a couple of points at a time so as not to make it messy. You have no problem with Whitaker beating Chavez, but you do with De La Hoya on account of it being close. I agree, it was close. But Whitaker definitely won the fight. De La Hoya was ragged in desperately throwing lots of shots instead of doing what he should have been doing in putting Whitaker in position with the jab, then letting the back hand go like Trinidad perfectly did. That's the way to deal with someone who likes to dip and slip with awkward movement. The other point is, you said Chavez was fat when he fought Whitaker. How so? Chavez had ducked Whitaker for quite some time before the fight happened. He knew he couldn't beat him. Which proved to be the case when they did fight. That "Draw" was one of the biggest tragedies of the 90's.
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@constantine7382 Duva was worried about putting the fight on for obvious reasons due to what happened in the Meldrick Taylor fight. They believed Taylor was ripped off with it being stopped with only seconds to go and Taylor being comfortably ahead on the cards. But Chavez himself didn't want it because he knew the stylistic matchup wasn't in his favour. So regardless of how Duva felt, Chavez still didn't want that fight. As for saying Chavez was fat, they were both the same size as each other. It wasn't even at the full Welterweight limit. It was at 145. That fight wasn't going to happen at Lightweight as Whitaker hadn't even been on the world stage for that long. By the time he'd had a few fights at world level, Chavez had moved up to 140.
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@constantine7382 Chavez was taller than Whitaker. If it was fat for Chavez, then it's definitely fat for Whitaker. You can't have it both ways. What part of Whitaker not being on the world stage for long at LW do you not understand? You don't rush into all the big fights before you get some experience. Chavez didn't come close to rushing. He took his time fighting many bums to get experience. So it's pure irony you calling Whitaker's opponents as "No hopers". It looks like clear projection to me. You keep on trying to downplay Whitaker's opponents by calling them "Re-treads" but don't do the same for Chavez. That's a clear bias. Who are these opponents of Chavez that weren't re-treads for you?
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@constantine7382 For someone who hates the word "Bum", you sure didn't mind using terms like "No hopers" to describe Whitakers opponents. But it is common knowledge that Chavez took on a lot of low level fighters for most of his fights. But the point i want to focus on is you downplaying Whitakers opponents as "No hopers" and "Re-treads". Tell me who these great opponents of Chavez are who were not beaten by anyone else and therefore, can't be seen as "Re-treads" like you do for Whitaker. That would just be plain hypocrisy otherwise.
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@constantine7382 I'm sorry, what? The point is not whether Whitaker can hang with Duran and Arguello or not. That's a fallacy you've provided. The point is, you called Whitakers opponents re-treads and no hopers without doing the same with Chavez. So i'm asking, for the third time, who are all these great fighters Chavez beat that are not no hopers and re-treads? You said Chavez beat many top fighters. Well, who are they please? List them all. But do so without any hypocrisy or contradiction to the way you described Whitakers opponents.
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@constantine7382 Whitaker didn't lose to Ramirez. He beat him twice but was ripped off in the first fight. Give me the time and date when Whitaker supposedly ducked Rosario? However, you give me two names who are in fact re-treads. These are the supposed great wins for Chavez? Rosario had lost to Ramirez and Camacho. Ramirez had lost to Enriquez, Olivares, Arguello, Mancini, Rosario, Camacho before Chavez had even fought them. Whitaker had beaten Ramirez in the fight beforehand only he got ripped off. But it's a great win for Chavez, but not for Whitaker? They're re-treads for Whitaker but not for Chavez? You're clearly a hypocrite who has done nothing but contradict yourself and show clear bias. Whitaker beat De La Hoya and Chavez when they were both undefeated and weren't "Re-treads" of anyone else. They are better wins than the Rosario and Ramirez wins for Chavez by a long way.
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@constantine7382 Your lack of reply makes clear of me proving you wrong. And that is without disproving any of your many other points that were also wrong.
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@petertyler8075 No, you don't. Nor do I know you personally. But I see poisonous people like you all over the internet all the time making claims without any value what so ever. Are you going to point out this supposed arrogance, or are you going to agree that you're just a poisonous racist who clearly displays all the ugliness of arrogance?
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@petertyler8075 Nice deflection there. Don't answer a simple question I've put to you after making a comment that is clearly not true. Just try and make out i'm the one in the wrong here. The irony of you calling us arrogant without any substance when you're clearly displaying it in buckets. Good job, man. Good job. Bye now.
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Apart from his illness, look at the weight in which the rematch happened. Sweeny wanted as many advantages as he could get. He'd been at the weight he had in the first fight for years. No reason to change weights other than to gain advantage. Sorry, but i give him no credit for pulling a fast one.
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Are we talking amateur or pro? Or both? The UK has an assortment of styles. Some are boxers. Some are aggressive. Some aren't punchers. Some are. Like most boxing countries. Only the US can match the amount of great fighters form the UK who could punch. Where else in the world could do so? Khataev could punch. But look how easy Ben dealt with him. Different levels in skill. That will only get Khataev so far. Like his fellow countryman Chakhkiev when also facing off against a Brit got knocked out because Chakhkiev was just too basic.
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@S1ayer585. I have absolutely no idea what this relates to. Are you sure you've replied to the right person?
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@Leroy-bu6hg You know, you can search the definition of the word "fact" these days.
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Navarrete didn't pull the win as he was dominated here. Arum's corrupt judges pulled the "Win" as per usual.
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@Joe_Crow Conceicao clearly won this fight. Please tell me all 7 rounds Navarrete won as he only won 3 on my card. This was another TopRank robbery. Every single Mexican out there has many in their career.
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@torito880 You only get the extra point for a KD in the round you scored the KD in. You don't all of a sudden win any other round because of it. Conceicao was tired in the last round, not wobbling because Navarrete hurt him. Conceicao dominated this fight like he did against Valdez but was again ripped off.
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@Joe_Crow Give me every round Navarrete inflicted damage on canceicao and tell me what the damage was in that round? Navarrete was dominated. He lost. This was nothing but grotesque theft.
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@Joe_Crow I asked you to give me the 7 rounds Navarrete won? Where are they? I also asked you to tell me every round Conceircao was supposedly hurt in and what the damage was. Give me the rounds and the time on the clock. Your answer is vague and non specific. If it's true what you're saying, you'd be able to point it out directly. I know for a fact it isn't true, which is why you can't present any evidence for what you're saying here.
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@deisysanchez1641 So you're saying that anyone who is visibly hurt at any point in a fight, they automatically lose the fight, even if they clearly dominate the round and land a lot more punches than their opponent? Sorry, but that never has been or ever will be the case in scoring criteria. Give me just 7 rounds in which Navarrete won?
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@Joe_Crow Mexicans are the ones who get the most robberies in boxing today... Estrada vs Gonzales 1 and 2 Munguia vs Chenko and Hogan. Canelo vs Golovkin 1 and 2/ Lara. Valdez vs Conceicao. Lopez vs Warrington. Zurdo vs Vlasov. Navarrete vs Conceircao and Wilson. Jose Ramirez vs Postal and Zepeda. Fundora vs Garcia. Barrios vs Akhmedov. Valenzuela vs Spark. Isaac Cruz vs Cabrera. Zepeda vs Lundy. Jo jo Diaz vs Akhmedov. Lardizabal vs Alvarado. Martinez vs Batista and Carmona. Franco vs Moloney. Valladares vs Cuarto. McCaskill vs Ryan and Braekhus. Marlen Esparza vs pretty much most of her resume. These are just some recent ones. If you look throughout history, i'd be here for weeks. You claim that Mexicans get ripped off the most. Could you list all these supposed robberies? You also say Mexicans travel the most which is also not true. Mexicans mostly fight in the US as Mexico doesn't have a proper system so have to ply their trade in the US which is basically their base. Nearly all these robberies listed took place in the US so i don't count that as travelling. Outside of the US, Mexicans hardly ever travel. But if you claim so, then list all these fighters who travelled? Then i'll give you countries who have a serious history in travelling.
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@Joe_Crow No, what you mean is, you can't find the rounds to give to Navarrete so want to make excuses. Don't worry, i knew from the start you couldn't give me these rounds he won. I know exactly what i'm dealing with here.
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@Joe_Crow What happened to you telling me about all these robberies against Mexicans? What happened to you telling me about all these Mexicans who supposedly travel more than any other nation? Don't tell me, you're not going to re-watch all the robberies and Mexicans who travelled, to tell me? Haha. Yeah, same old, same old. Never has anyone from your end justified anything they say. Never.
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That's not how it works. Many music artists have writers.
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@thomaspagh8988 They can try singing the songs themselves and see how far they get? Some have talents in writing. Some in singing and performing. It's always been that way. A Brit wrote Thriller for Michael Jackson. But do you think it would have been brought alive by anybody else?
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@thomaspagh8988 That wasn't my point. I just used a famous song as an example.
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Lennox is an ATG and the best Heavyweight in history. But he isn't the greatest fighter to come out of the UK. In fact, he isn't even in the top 10 all time for UK fighters. The greatest is Ted "Kid" Lewis.
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Frampton has been retired for some time now. But when he fought Mexicans and Americans, he beat every single one baring one. He had 2 fights with Leo Santa Cruz with each winning 1 fight. The other loss was to an American which was his last fight where he was a shot fighter. So yes, he did more than hang. He beat them.
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@sonofapollo5892 I think you should look at his resume. He beat every single Mexican and American he fought other than one fighter when he was shot in his very last fight. So try that one again. He didn't hang, he did a lot more than that. He beat them.
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I think you mean Estrada will be EATEN for breakfast just like he was the other two times they fought.
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Of course Navarrete gave him his sombrero and a hug. He had just been dominated by the guy and saw him get ripped of by the judges.
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@ilan154 Give me 7 rounds in which Navarrete won? Just 7. Navarrete was out-landed in pretty much every round. He came nowhere near close to winning it.
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@ilan154 What happened to giving me all these round Navarrete won? If Navarrete dominated, it should be easy. But you've gone very quiet.
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@Rominator-qw4wm Who got a lucky draw?
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@deisysanchez1641 Not only did Navarrete not beat Conceicao, or come close to doing so, he also didn't land the harder punches overall. Navarrete did drop Conceicao, but when you break it down round by round, Conceicao clearly landed the better punches. I don't doubt you had Navarrete. Mexicans lose nearly every round and get a gift decision, but it gets justified by Mexican fans. They get so many robberies that they think it's normal and legitimate. It's not.
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@Marksman2024 Oh i agree Americans get decisions as well. But Brits and the Japanese? List these Brit and Japanese decisions. Mexicans receive the most in world boxing. That's a fact. I'm happy to list a load of them. But not until you come back with a list of British and Japanese ones.
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@Marksman2024 Rabbit punches are not robberies. What are you talking about? So you clearly made it up when saying Brits and Japanese fighters receive decisions in their favour? You said Brits and Japanese fighters get decisions too. I asked for you to give me a list of decisions in favour of Brits and Japanese fighters. But all you come back with is rabbit punches? How can they be described as robberies to you? For the record, Warrington wasn't to blame for most of the headbutts. Lara was. Lara even split Leigh Woods face open twice in the 2 fights. He just throws his head around when throwing punches.
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What is the difference with the weather in the UK compared to some of the other countries you named?
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@danielefabbro822 There's as much or more sun than in some of those countries you named. You have Sweden, Finland, Norway, Canada etc etc..
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@kaynetrowbridge9267 Are you talking about the Stevenson final? Yeah, he did win it. And won it good too. Stevenson won 1 round, but Ramirez definitely won the other two. You'd have to be really incompetent in scoring fights or seriously biased to have Stevenson winning. Pick one.
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@cashree2370 I'm sorry, i don't even know what this is trying to say?
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It was an even fight. But anyone who knows about Mexicans know they can't score a fight to save their life. The most biased too. Awful fan base.
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@warrenpaine LOL, What???? Could you explain in great detail how pointing out the fact the English born Daniel is from Northern Ireland (Which he is) is in any way, trying to "Divide the people of Ireland"?? As for thinking they're not being allowed to live in peace... I think serious issues are at play here. Serious ones. I can't help you there.
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@warrenpaine You said this video was trying to divide Ireland. I asked for an explanation for your comments. How would i find this video supposedly dividing Ireland in any history book?
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@warrenpaine Daniel went to County Armagh. That's in Northern Ireland.
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@warrenpaine You haven't answered how this video is "Dividing Ireland"? Nor have you explained how we're supposedly not letting Ireland "Live in peace". Why do you keep deflecting and refusing to answer to your comments?
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@warrenpaine Why do you keep asking this irrelevant question? Have you not got a more interesting deflection?
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@warrenpaine It's in the South. Now answer the questions you've refused to answer with your irrelevant deflections.
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@warrenpaine You know what i mean. Even though it's location is in the North, County Donegal is actually part of the Republic. You asked if the people are Northern Irish or Southern Irish. I said it's in the South meaning that's where they're from. The only one who comes under the description you wrote, is you. Now, are you going to answer the questions or are you going to continue to deflect? I think we both know the answer to that. You can't answer so you're desperately trying to dodge with whatever irrelevant thing you can think of.
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@ghethqetwrg2951 He's the best at the weight as it is. But in order to call himself "One of the best" he has to beat two fighters who haven't even beaten a good fighter yet? Two fighters who ducked the WBSS? What have they done to be given this opinion by you? Nothing is the answer. Ramirez even ran to Lightheavy when Smith was trying to set a fight up with him. And Benevidez struggled with a bum in Gavril in a close first fight where he was knocked down so needed to have a rematch to clear things up. Sorry, but you're another idiot who makes no sense what so ever. You're just biased.
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Amor Cito The tournament was to find the best at the weight. They bitched out like cowards. But you should be used to that considering you're Mexican. Groves, Smith and Eubank were some of the top guys at the weight. They didn't struggle with a complete turkey in Gavril in a very close fight and get knocked down. Only hype jobs have that done to them.
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Amor Cito He is the number 1. Why, who else do you think it is? And what have they proven?
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@neond9631 Who is gassing over Smith beating Ndam? People are just saying Smith has a high level of skill. Americans and Mexicans do the same when their fighters show skill. Clown.
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Amor Cito Yes, Groves was the number 1. Go and check the rankings. Froch has beaten Taylor, groves x2, Bute, Johnson, Pascal, Abraham, Kessler and Dirrell. But you think he's a B level fighter? Hahahahahaha. Froch has a better resume than nearly every Mexican in history. I suppose Ramirez and Benevidez are legit though? Hahahaha. Go and take a walk because you're embarrassing yourself.
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Amor Cito Groves did fight Degale and Jack you fucking idiot. Truax is a nobody that caught Degale when he was shot. Trying to cast him down as a top fighter shows how deranged you are. When could Groves fight Ward, Ramirez and Dirrell? Point out the times those fights could have happened oh so stupid one?
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He didn't even beat Warrington. But he "Kicked ass"? You're not only supposed to win when kicking ass, but to do so clearly. Lopez didn't come close to doing that against Warrington. In fact, Lopez spent half the fight getting beat up and holding on for dear life.
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@P.Alvarez You should look into strawman arguments. You'll see this at the top of the tree. Not only that, but Lara was active while Warrington had been out for 17 months. We all saw how well Lara does when he hasn't got an inactive opponent. He gets dominated.
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@ultrainstinct63 This fight was a draw. And no, Lopez doesn't have good defence. It's atrocious. He hangs his chin out all the time. He's very easy to hit. You clearly don't know what you're watching.
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@ch_raney8801 Lopez was the one holding on for dear life against Warrington. What are you talking about? Who are these Mexicans who don't suck? All the time they're looking for inactive opponents because they're cheating cowards. Whenever they fight an active fighter, they get dominated. But please get back to me with these Mexicans who are supposedly good and i'll point you in the right direction. Also tell me which ones are good to watch. I'll point you in the right direction there too.
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@P.Alvarez Again you're talking senseless. Where did i say Warrington wasn't knocked out? Could you please show me on the video where Warrington was the one who caused the head clashes? I'll show you it was in fact Lara. Just like it was when he split Woods face open with his head in both fights due to over throwing his punches. Ask yourself why Mexicans have gone after a mass of fighters who have been inactive. Ask yourself why only them and the US have so many opponents under these conditions. Those countries alone if you exclude the other, have more inactive opponents than the rest of the boxing world combined. They know the benefits on offer. Look at Canelo again going after an inactive Charlo who has been out for 18 months and is two weight classes smaller when there opponents fans want to see him against who are his weight and active? Why has Canelo got an entire career of opponents like this? Also ask yourself why Mexicans don't have any legit wins against world class opponents without any of this business going on. Huh? They duck active fighters to go after those who are vulnerable to load the table. Look what happened in the second Wood fight where Lara knew he didn't have the advantage of Leigh being inactive so cheated with the weight like so many Mexicans have done throughout history. But it wasn't enough. Lara was dominated with ease with Lara too scared to throw many punches. It changes everything whether you're active or not.
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@ch_raney8801 Lopez was the one holding on for dear life against Warrington. What are you talking about? Who are these Mexicans who don't suck? All the time they're looking for inactive opponents because they're looking for the advantage. Whenever they fight an active fighter, they get dominated. But please get back to me with these Mexicans who are supposedly good and i'll point you in the right direction. Also tell me which ones are good to watch. I'll point you in the right direction there too.
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@ch_raney8801 Show me the round and time on the video of the fight where it's Warrington being at fault? Or deflect and refuse the way i know you're going to do. You believe being inactive is an advantage against an active opponent when you look at the results in world boxing? Sorry, but that is laughable. Estrada fought Cortes whilst being inactive at home but still needed a gift. That was an opponent Estrada handpicked too. He was carefully selected due to Estrada being inactive. He didn't just get thrown in there with anyone. Yet, he still lost the fight. Point out as many actual world class wins for Mexicans where they're not sabotaged or inactive. It should be easy right? Well, give me these names. Eddie is always putting Brits in with Mexicans. He's putting an inactive Benn in against an active Orozco. He wanted to put Ryder in with Munguia but Munguia ducked the fight. But now he's coming off a defeat he's come sniffing round again because he likes opponents who are vulnerable. He put Yafia in with 3 out of his 5 fights thus far in his career. He wanted Martinez to fight Sunny Edwards but Martinez ran away. He's not looking for active fighters like the rest of them. Sunny is now facing Bam which is a better fight. Canelo drained Fielding before fighting him. Canelo gave Callum Smith only 3 weeks to prepare to gain advantage after refusing to fight him before Callum had fought Ryder and saw him struggle. Canelo made it worse knowing that he'd struggle to bring his huge frame down to the weight in 3 weeks. He fought Khan who was a welter for crying out loud whilst being a Middleweight. Lara fought Warrington who had been out for 17 months. Lara fought Wood who had been out for a year. Canelo is fighting a Charlo who is two weight classes smaller and inactive for 18 months. Canelo drained Jacobs even though they were fighting at the same weight. Canelo drained a shot Kovalev who didn't have time to rest from his last gruelling fight which was mere weeks away. I could be here all day giving you all the Mexicans doing this but i don't want to fill the thread with a massive post. It would be easier if you give me opponents of Mexicans who are world level who are active and fighting on a level playing field without any corruption or cheating going on.
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@ch_raney8801 I also asked you to give me these Mexicans who don't suck and are good to watch. Why aren't you answering the question. Also re-watch this fight with Lopez and see how often he's on the back foot. Yet you had the audacity to call other fighters "Runners". The irony is outstanding. Then watch how often he held on to Warrington in their fight and see if your opinion has any value or not.
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@P.Alvarez Which Brit got the judges score cards when he didn't deserve it? What are you talking about? You're just making it up as you go along. Don't worry though, i've known about this fan base for decades. I know exactly what i'm dealing with here. Haha.
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@P.Alvarez Yep, you're deflecting without answering any of the questions. It's because you know you can't as it exposes your fighters. Typical.
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@ch_raney8801 Canelo is one of the most boring fighters out there. Even against opponents he's sabotaged and weakened he goes the distance with. With a proper opponent who is active and has momentum, Canelo loses and looks basic. Navarette fights complete bums. He even needed a corrupt ref to bail him out against one after he got dropped hard by him. Check him out using the ring as well where you called others as "Running" when they did likewise. Anyone looks good against bums. Lara, the guy who was too scared to throw punches when Leigh Wood was closer to his best and not inactive? You thought that was an exciting performance getting dominated and not throwing punches? What. Valdez "Ran" did he not against Berchelt? Did he not hold an awful lot against Navarette as well? More hypocrisy. Felix is a complete bum. Against that Irish bum he was moving off the back foot. Again, a "Runner" according to you. Lopez was hitting air and gloves the vast majority of the time against Warrington. He was moving on the back foot and held on for most of the second half of the fight. You're contradicting yourself and being a hypocrite. Pretending these fighters weren't using the ring and holding is straight lying. Show me where Warrington kept headbutting Lopez like you claim? They both threw at the same time and their heads clashed. No one was at fault. We can go over the fight if you like. Tell me the round and time on the clock and i'll happily justify my position. When someone holds onto you and bends down all the time, you're going to try and get them off you with punches that will hit them behind the head every now and then. That's the fault of the one holding on for dear life. You do know we beat Americans and Mexicans the vast majority of the time we fight don't you? I'll correct you there too if you want. None of them wins will be against inactive opponents like they have over us. Ask yourself why they're the only wins you have over us? Huh? Americans and Mexicans refuse to fight on a level playing field because they know they'll lose the fight otherwise. Just check out all their results to see. Didn't Fury show enough power when knocking Wilder out twice? AJ, Cordina, Wood, Joyce and the likes, have no power? What? Sorry, but that's nonsense.
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@ch_raney8801 Now i'm going to address the "Suck" comment. Canelo loses to anyone world class who is active, has momentum, and allowed a full training camp. Navarrette has a loss to a tomato can. Lara has losses to tomato cans and Wood. He only won against Warrington and Wood the first as they were inactive fighters whilst he was fighting regularly. Lopez has lost to tomato cans and couldn't even beat a damaged Warrington. He got a gift. He couldn't even beat Joet as i had it a draw. Valdez is coming off 3 lopsided defeats in his last 4 fights. Felix couldn't even beat an inactive McKenna coming from a defeat whilst he was active and coming from wins. McKenna is old and shop-worn and isn't even close to being at world level. He's a low level fighter at the end of his career. But he still beat that bum handily. But yet you think these fighters don't suck? Haha. Thanks for the laugh. Tyson Fury is better than all of these no-marks. Yet Josh Taylor is the only one who is decent from the UK. Would that be the Josh Taylor who was dominated by the Brit Jack Catterall? How can Taylor be the only decent one when losing in one sided fashion against Catterall? It doesn't make any sense. Nothing you wrote does. But i'm going to enjoy proving you wrong on all the other points too. You'll deflect then run away. Trust me.
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@ch_raney8801 You've just written another load of nonsense. You answered no questions. I'll stick to one or two points at a time to shut this down. Name every British fighter who was inactive due to, as you say, "Recovering from beat downs from American and Mexican fighters"? Name every UK vs UK match up on DAZN as you seem to think they put nothing on but these kind of fights. Brits fight international opponents nearly every single time. But you claim otherwise. Well, list all of them then.
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@ch_raney8801 Have you run away? I told you you would didn't i. The predictability of it is outright laughable.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn 1) I don't put forward false information. I leave that to the likes of you. I said Brits have the greatest historical resume for overseas wins , which is a fact. Look at the wins these fighters have over fighters from the country they're fighting in... Ted "Kid" Lewis Jack "Kid" Berg Freddie Welsh Lennox Lewis Nigel Benn Jimmy McLarnin Charley White Matt Wells I don't need to give any more names as this will be enough. There's a lot more fighters with overseas wins, but these fighters travelled repeatedly and therefore have enough to prove my point. If not, give the country with more overseas wins? 2) Fury is an Englishman born and raised in England. His family go back 100's of years in England. His Mother was from Northern Ireland, but those in Northern Ireland are British too. Same thing with Calzaghe. He is Welsh, but Wales is part of Great Britain. Not only do you need to up your boxing education, you need to up your education on Geography as well. The UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. All of these are British. That's like saying no one is American or Mexican unless they're native. When looking at the fighters throughout history, that would be nearly all of them. 3) I don't include wins/losses over shot fighters or those who have been weakened so their opponent can gain an advantage. Wins over the likes of a shot Brook or Khan for Crawford stand to reason as wins over shot fighters are easy to come by. When travelling, as it's much harder for the shot fighter than if they were at home. 4) Brits beat Americans and Mexicans the vast majority of the time they fight. Brits don't need to go after inactive fighters, drain them or use other methods to weaken them before fighting them. That would be humiliating. Wouldn't it? But if you think otherwise, list all the wins these two countries have over Brits, and i'll further educate you on the facts like i already have done.
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@lliamson-ld3zn What's wrong, can't you find a nation who has more overseas victories than the UK? I thought it was false in what i said? You've gone awfully quiet. What happened to telling me where you're from? You're not insecure are you? You said you're from the nation who has the Heavyweight champion. But you're not a Brit or Ukrainian. I reckon you're either Mexican or Irish. Come on, don't be shy.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn You are paying attention to me though by the fact you've replied here. That's not even including the other replies that were in fact false information to what i said. Make sure you can back up your comments in future. Being clueless is not a good look. You are definitely Irish or Mexican though. Without a shadow of a doubt.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn *Too When you make a comment, you're supposed to back it up. You actually thought what you said to be true. Only when you were corrected did you want to pretend you didn't mean it. Still have no wish to tell me where you're from? Are you that embarrassed?
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn Yes, it looked like you were too busy making money when you made all your comments. Problem is, it was funny money. Then you woke up and had your cornflakes. We're not debating. A debate is when two or more people discuss a subject where knowledge is exchanged. You could never be accused of having knowledge, so take it easy. Stay away from sugar as well. It will rot your teeth. Kid.
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AlexWilliamson-ld3zn I'm not the one who needs to do that. Just read all your comments where you tried to claim you were trolling. That's when somebody needs to get a life.
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You mean the robbery and corruption he was dealt in the Franco fight? Franco didn't win in any way.
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@montbrink4700 What, like all the other robberies throughout history where the American got the robbery decision? Look at those supposed "Record books". Incompetence would mean the decision being pretty split on who gets it. But guess what, the American gets it every time. Every time. The only other nation to get all the robberies is Mexico. How many fights can you name where an American or Mexican won a fight but got robbed outside of Pacquiao vs Marquez 3? There's a mass of history to choose from as well. But it's all the same. It goes to these two and these two only.
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@montbrink4700 I'm not the one who is biased here. Golovkin won as the vast majority agree. Hell, even his corrupt judges could only give him a draw. Does that alone not tell you anything. But i know why you want to claim Canelo wins as you're trying to make Floyd look better. If you think running around the ring in the first fight is "Boxing beautifully", then good look to you. Canelo doesn't box like that and it showed, as he's not very good on the backfoot. He lost the fight. I know how to score. I don't care for your agenda.
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@johnny_truth Give me exclusives to Loma in being babied and spoiled that Americans and Mexicans don't have against them? Hell, look at how extreme Lopez is. But that's typical for Americans. Nearly all of them behave like that. But Loma? No, you're just projecting and slandering as per usual. The fact you think Lopez destroyed him in what should have been a draw tells me all i need to know about you. The only one who got a bit beat up in that fight was Lopez. Lopez landed a couple more punches to win his rounds in a cautious manner. Then look at the rounds Loma won and see a huge difference. Had Salido had points taken for the mass of low blows he dished out, Loma would have won the fight. The ref did not do his job properly. Then you add in the fact Salido weight cheated by coming into the fight way over the limit to give him an advantage. To think it was the other way round in that Loma was babied is pure crazy.
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@montbrink4700 You're one of the few to think that. Not even Canelo's judges did. That tells you everything you need to know. Have you found any fights were the robbery was against the American? Then rest my case. You didn't answer why you think getting dropped twice would automatically win you the fight over 12 rounds? Winning 2 rounds with a KD in each would get you 4 points. That leaves 10 rounds left to play with and 10 points on offer if they're 10-9 rounds.
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@TBE99 Loma hasn't even faced Conceicao. You're just making things up in your head. Teo didn't beat Loma, it was a draw. But if you look at the rounds each of them won in that fight, only one of them came under the description of "Getting whooped" and it wasn't Loma. Loma beat Haney. That's why he was rattled in the corner and in his interview. Salido came in well overweight and hit low all night without any points taken. Had they been, Loma would have won the fight. Loma beat Ortiz after being out for some time due to the war. The only one here showing a bias where skin colour is concerned and getting privilege, is black Americans. Just look at all the robberies you have committed against overseas fighters. It's disgusting. As is your clear racism.
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@mustangshelbygt5004 Yeah, but that rematch took place at Featherweight and not the Lightweight limit the first fight took place in. Had it been at Lightweight, Franco would have won again.
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At getting gifts. At getting inactive opponents. Absolutely. But in no other area, that's for sure.
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Andy is in fact, English. Born and raised. He didn't move to Ireland until he was 14.
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@Stoyan1985 A citizen? She was born and raised in England. Her parents are citizens. Not Dua.
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@Demun1649 The group Wales and Fiji came from was the weakest. England and Argentina are through to the Semi's. Wales and Fiji are out. Please make this make sense. Haha. England are still nowhere near their best or where an England team should be, but they're playing better rugby in this world cup than they did back then against Fiji. It doesn't take much to understand that a result from months ago can change on another day. It's the nature of sport.
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No, he really didn't. Even Ford knew he lost. He wasn't active enough.
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@jimbfrysanchez2367 That wasn't Conceicao being hurt. That was Conceicao being tired. There's a huge difference.
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Hey man, this actually looks like a good film. I can't even remember the last time i thought that. Hmmm.
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@watchmanonthewall14 The person who made the comment said Cus told Tyson not to fight Foreman on his COMEBACK. This didn't happen as Cus had already died. Both Tyson and Foreman made public comments of not wanting to fight each other after Tyson had come out of jail. But that is not what i was disputing.
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@Tonybalboni I don't think Leo is some scrub. But he certainly isn't world class. You have to beat world class opponents to prove that. Leo hasn't come close. Same with Lopez. He really lost against a damaged Warrington who had him holding on for dear life and rocking him in the second half. He really drew with a way past his best Joet but got a horribly wide UD. Joet at no point in his prime was he world level. Let alone the pointy he fought him. He beat a damaged Conlan who wasn't the same after the Wood fight. So seriously, who has Lopez beaten? Absolutely no one.
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@decidingpaper6324 Apart from one head clash, what did Warrington do? In the second half, Lopez was holding a lot which is against the rules. Do it here and there. That's fine. But if it's excessive, then it's not.
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@decidingpaper6324 The back of the head shots were due to Lopez holding all the time. Warrington was trying to get him off. If you don't want to risk getting hit there, don't hold so much and it won't happen. The head clashes come from both stepping in and letting their hands go. With the activity Warrington has by throwing in combinations all the time, that unfortunately will tend to happen here and there. He's not intentionally headbutting opponents.
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@decidingpaper6324 Show me anywhere in the fight where Warrington hit Lopez behind the back of the head without him holding on first? When an opponent clinches you, many fighters will look for short head shots. But the one holding will look to turn their head away from them and show the back of their head. There was one head clash with Kiko. But his face looked like that due to Warrington landing a load of punches to the face. Warrington throws a lot. It will tend to happen. Every single clash of heads with Lara was in fact down to Lara overthrowing with his shots, missing, then falling in with his head. Go and watch it again. Trust me. He did the same with Wood in both fights. His complaining was just trying to get the ref on side and not get a point deduction. But that was all him.
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@decidingpaper6324 I did say it only happened once in the Lopez fight. But you can clearly see that it was accidental with Warrington throwing the overhand right and their heads slightly clashing. With any elbows being used, that will again to try and get Lopez from clinching him. Loads of fighters do it to try and get their opponent off them. You're not allowed to excessively clinch. I think you may have a different highlights on the Kiko fight. Nothing happens on both time-stamps you put. Are you watching the DAZN highlights?
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@decidingpaper6324 At 2:07 they're standing at a distance from each other. Then at 2:08, Josh lands a jab. By the time 2:40 comes up, Kiko is already on the canvas after being dropped a few seconds earlier.
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@decidingpaper6324 I'm watching the DAZN highlight. There's the full fight and a highlight from DAZN. The highlight i'm watching has 14:32 run time on the Youtube video. I don't see any more video's from DAZN other than those two.
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@decidingpaper6324 Strange. I don't see another highlight other than the one with the run time i gave. Are you in the UK? Maybe if you're somewhere else you get a different video? give me the round and the time on the DAZN clock for the time stamps.
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@decidingpaper6324 That makes sense then. We get different video's based on which country we're in. In the first one, Kiko's right hand pushes Warrington's head down with the force a bit and he springs up with his own shot. I don't see that being reckless. On the second one, if you slow the video down, you see the head doesn't make contact with Kiko. It just looks like it does because it comes close. The edit you made for 2:48 of round 1 is just Warrington landing a jab. Their heads are even close enough to clash.
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@decidingpaper6324 True, they do happen often. But it's just the fact he throws loads of shots that increases the chances of that happening. I don't even think he could limit what he throws at this point as it's far too ingrained now.
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Which makes him British.
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@deansworld2591 You could have been in the very ring they were fighting in. It still means you can't score a fight. Either that or you're justifying another gift over there to go with the many thousands and thousands that happen to overseas fighters. This is twice now Sandy has won over there and had her titles stolen.
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@deansworld2591 Yes. They are wrong if they had Mayer winning. But why wouldn't they support their fighter winning over an overseas opponent? You bet for Ryan to win? You're not very clued up are you. When i saw Ryan was the favourite, i knew how the cards were going to be so i bet big on Mayer. The predictable happened like it always does. Especially on TopRank. It was free money. Wait, Ryan was the gassed one? You're getting everything the other way round. With everything. I think YOU need to watch it again. Most of Mayer's combo's actually hit gloves, whereas most of Ryan's hit Mayer clean in the face. Mayer was getting rocked in most rounds with constant clean punches. Can you find the full fight on here? I can. I'll happily go through every round with you and see what answers you have to my questions. I'll back everything i've said up. The thing is, the predictable will happen without fail. But let's see. You may shock me.
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@deansworld2591 I asked you if you can get the whole fight on here and we'll go through it. In fact, anywhere you can get the full fight is fine by me. So?
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@AndresAndres-q5h Why would i go over just 2 rounds? Let's go over the whole 10 rounds. They're only 2 minute rounds. Can you get the full fight on here? You don't think many of Mayer's shots were hitting gloves? If you go through the fight with me, i'll happily show you all the times it happened. As well as the amount of times Sandy was hitting Mayer at will with hard clean shots. Sandy did throw from too far out at times. But nowhere near to as many times as Mayer hit gloves.
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@deansworld2591 I asked if you had access to the full fight so we can go over it? So?
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@AndresAndres-q5h What??? It's like me saying "Sandy won because Mayer needed rounds 5 and 9. Let's go over just those 2 rounds to prove Sandy won the fight". LOL. Mayer landed a few light uppercuts on the inside. Sandy was hitting her constantly from that position. It's why Mayer kept on holding all the time. If you refuse to go over the fight and prove it like i can, then you have no faith in your argument. We can even get the exact amount of punches landed by either side and not use the fraudulent TopRank compubox. We can use evidence for who had the better of it from whichever range. It's all there on video.
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@AndresAndres-q5h Mayer landed mostly with the hooks. Her 1 2's weren't landing much at all. Go over the fight with me and i'll be able to prove it.
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@AndresAndres-q5h Are you going to go over the fight or what? I'm waiting. We can then break the rounds down and see what is what. But you don't seem to want to do that. You can't believe i gave Sandy those rounds? I haven't even given you the rounds i scored to Sandy. LOL. You're seeing many things that are not even there.
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I C You mean the shot 40-year-old Golovkin that Canelo refused to fight a few years back after losing the first two fights? The guy who Canelo waited to age out only to find he was still too good for him in those two fights so made absolutely sure he was done by the time he fought him for a 3rd time? It's a typical win for Canelo when you look at the condition he gets his opponents in. Then you look at the conditions he puts in contracts before he'll fight them too. Sorry, but he's a punk with no shame. I don't respect frauds and cheats.
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@spaceghost4475 How is it ironic? The English don't have a nasty and spiteful reaction the way Scots, the Irish and Welsh do. You'd have to live under a rock to not notice. The arrogance shown by these people is disgusting. So are the lies when they claim our media go around claiming that we're going to win every world cup going. No they don't. If they're in good form, they'll say they have the ability to win. But they do not say they're actually a lock on. All other nations including their own claim as much too when they have teams in competitions. But they need to try and justify their toxic ways. Thing is, none of them could show anyone these supposed exclusives the English supposedly have. Arrogant racists are that way you see.
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ZeroBudgetDude I thought the other poster was bad, but you've just topped him. Naz was dropped every time he was hit? No, he wasn't. Unless you think he was only hit 4 times in his career? For the record, Naz had a great chin and was only dropped due to being off balance. Check them out yourself and see if you like. Seriously. Haha. Some people, hey.
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@_TJ_0 Naz beat every world champion at Featherweight plus many former and future world champions. Don't comment unless you know what you're talking about. You clearly don't.
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@_TJ_0 Soto, Bungu, McCullough, Robinson, Medina, Johnson, Vasquez, Ingle, Bellcastro, Kelley, Badillo and Hardy are not bums. They're proven world class. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. How can proven world class fighters be bums? List some fighters and their world class wins that don't consist of "Bums" as you say? I need to see what you consider world class. I'll then further educate you.
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@_TJ_0 Have you got no fighters in mind and what you consider to be as their world class opponents? I'll tell you what, list all of Barrera's world class victories? I can't make it any easier than that.
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@Ramivic85 I'm just telling you the facts of the situation. It isn't made up. It's true. Do some research on fight week and see what boxing insiders were talking about. You could see Lewis' mouth wide open from the first round trying to suck oxygen into his lungs. You don't play games where altitude is involved. You'll be horribly sluggish and feeling physically weak not acclimatising properly.
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@bubufubu I gave the context for the situation i was explaining. Why would i explain a point i wasn't even making? But i'm happy to correct you on some things. Tyson had ducked Lennox for years. Even dropping the WBC title and paying 4 Mill step-aside money. The only time Lennox could get his hands on him was when they did fight. But not before Tyson and his team tried desperately to get the Rahman fight until Lennox went to court to enforce the rematch clause. But yes, Tyson was past his best. But at least he wasn't stepping into an environment with an altitude situation. Holyfield wasn't close to being well past his prime when they fought. In fact, the best period for Holyfield at Heavyweight was from the first Tyson fight all the way to the rematch with Lewis. This was when he was at his smartest and not using unnecessary energy by throwing when he didn't need to. But the same thing there. Holyfield had ducked Lewis for years and finally got him in the ring in 99 after chasing the fight for so long. The KO in the rematch was worst by the sheer fact both were properly trained and had no altitude problems either way. And it was also one shot that did Rahman. Lewis showed that without any problems, Rahman wasn't close to being on his level. And this with having the KO from the first fight lingering going into the rematch.
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@bubufubu Lennox didn't have a suspect chin. Anyone get's knocked out under the conditions Lennox was under in the Rahman fight. As for the McCall fight, it shouldn't have been stopped. But King had one of his refs in there as he wanted to freeze Lennox out after he wouldn't sign with him. But it ended up with Lennox eventually destroying King and putting him out of the big time. Funny how some things work out. Many fighters who are regarded as having great chins have been in similar situations. Only they were allowed to go on. Lewis did avenge the fight with McCall. He wasn't getting an immediate rematch with him even though he wanted one. You're just making this all up as you go. The reason as to why McCall was in the opposite corner for the vacant WBC title after Tyson dropped it was down to King hoping McCall had some kind of hold over Lennox after their first fight. King wanted Lennox gone. But as i've already explained. Lennox wasn't going anywhere. Lennox nor his team controlled the rankings for the title. King actually did as anyone who was around that time can attest. It's well known the WBC and King were doing dodgy dealings. You can even research it all if you want.
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@bubufubu LOL. I see i've hit a nerve with you. Not surprising when you come across those who make it up as they go long. But let's break down each point one by one. I want to do a proper job on you here. It's clear you deserve it. Lennox wanted a clean deal to fight Tyson. Not with King having options on him and being low-balled on the money. If you think that was a legit offer considering how much the fight would have made, it's you who needs to refrain from talking about anything boxing related. Lennox made 20 Mill on the Tucker fight alone. This was a much, much bigger fight. But you think it was a legit offer? LOL. No, it wasn't. Lennox wasn't going to let Tyson take it all. Again, Lennox was low-balled in the Bowe fight because Bowe's manager Rock Newman alongside Bowe didn't want the fight. It's accepted by every educated boxing fan that Bowe ducked the fight. But here's what you clearly don't know. After Lennox's team turned their nose up on the Bowe offer, Lennox actually told them he was going to accept it just to get Bowe in the ring. When he told Newman he accepted after it was put on the table only a few days beforehand, Newman then said the deal was no longer available. Newman didn't think he'd go for such a low ball offer. A deal Newman said on camera wasn't up to the standards of the fight because Bowe had already supposedly had someone else they were meeting which was also exposed as a lie. Newman embarrassed himself regarding that situation and only dug himself a bigger hole with all the contradictory excuses he made. As for the other supposed ducks. I can't wait to clean the table here. But let's do these first.
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@bubufubu What's wrong, can't support anything you say so you've walked?
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@bubufubu You do that.
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@bubufubu If the deal was good, how and why was Tyson forced to drop the title? It's because there is a percentage for the mandatory and that was well below a legit offer. They were in bed with King and even they couldn't put it forward. Yet i'm the warped one? As i say. You're making all this up as you go. I don't think you understand what options mean in this regard. Look it up. Do i have to educate you on everything? But not only that. Tyson admitted on Lewis' instagram after someone like you said he ducked Tyson. Tyson himself put him straight. Tyson has been on camera saying is was intentional to low ball him because he didn't believe he could win. Funny though you called Lewis a money man when he was no such thing. But here you are supporting Tyson and saying he could fight anyone for big money. Boxing is about pride and honour. Not handpicked opponents for money. That's exactly what Tyson did. But but, he needs 2 more fights after every fight. LOL.
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@bubufubu Have you gone again? What's wrong, is the fact Tyson was forced to drop the title too much for your fantasies? What about paying him 4 Mill to step-aside? Why would he do that. For fun?
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@bubufubu Maybe don't get all emotional when you type and put expletives. That way you won't have your comments removed. But hilarious excuse don't you think. As soon as you have to bring facts and rational thought to the table, you're looking to walk. You're like Bowe and Tyson. In fact, you're like nearly every American in boxing when we come calling. It's either that or defeat.
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@bubufubu Wow, how many separate replies did you make where you're not in the least bit emotional? Love the predictable projections and coming up with your own facts when the actual facts are on display. When did you say Lewis ducked Tyson? Er, when you said that Lewis passed on the offer of 13 Mill and said "Do you want to talk more about ducking" then listed more names that Lennox also didn't duck. It's very clear what you're saying. It's also clear you have no rational answer to the question. The actual facts are, Lennox was the mandatory both times to Bowe and Tyson and they both dropped their titles. You twisting everything to discredit Lewis won't change the facts. By the laws and rules, Lewis was entitled to a certain cut. But apparently, he should have just taken the crumbs and they could both make the rules up to suit. It's put on him by you, that he should have thought about his legacy. Tyson and Bowe on the other hand, could low-ball someone and not have to think about their legacy. The hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here is astounding. No, it's all put on Lennox when they're the guilty ones here. Lennox was a money hungry guy who should take crumbs, but those two weren't even though they wanted to take the vast majority of the money which the WBC saw as inadequate and told both to either put up a legitimate offer or be stripped. That isn't a good deal at all. By the fact they were forced to drop their titles. Lennox didn't have a resume? He beat Razor who was the favourite to win the 4 man competition between himself, Razor, Holyfield and Bowe. That was the deal on HBO. Only Bowe went back on his promise due to fear and showed dishonour. You make out Bowe had some great resume when all he had was Holyfield. All he still has is Holyfield which is why Lennox's legacy is greater than both combined. Lennox showed his resume wasn't all that by the fact he had a tough fight with Mercer? That makes sense to you? A good win is a good win regardless of winning in easy quick fashion or a tough fight on points. The fact you even make such an absurd claim on just one fight shows the level of desperation here. Which Heavyweight in history couldn't you cherry pick a fight and come up with your "Logic" here? LOL. What?
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@bubufubu Wow, how many separate replies did you make where you're not in the least bit emotional? Love the predictable projections and coming up with your own facts when the actual facts are on display. When did you say Lewis ducked Tyson? Er, when you said that Lewis passed on the offer of 13 Mill and said "Do you want to talk more about ducking" then listed more names that Lennox also didn't duck. It's very clear what you're saying. It's also clear you have no rational answer to the question. The actual facts are, Lennox was the mandatory both times to Bowe and Tyson and they both dropped their titles. You twisting everything to discredit Lewis won't change the facts. By the laws and rules, Lewis was entitled to a certain cut. But apparently, he should have just taken the crumbs and they could both make the rules up to suit. It's put on him by you, that he should have thought about his legacy. Tyson and Bowe on the other hand, could low-ball someone and not have to think about their legacy. The hypocrisy here is astounding. No, it's all put on Lennox when they're the guilty ones here. Lennox was a money hungry guy who should take crumbs, but those two weren't even though they wanted to take the vast majority of the money which the WBC saw as inadequate and told both to either put up a legitimate offer or be stripped. That isn't a good deal at all. By the fact they were forced to drop their titles. Lennox didn't have a resume? He beat Razor who was the favourite to win the 4 man competition between himself, Razor, Holyfield and Bowe. That was the deal on HBO. Only Bowe went back on his promise due to fear and showed dishonour. You make out Bowe had some great resume when all he had was Holyfield. All he still has is Holyfield which is why Lennox's legacy is greater than both combined. Lennox showed his resume wasn't all that by the fact he had a tough fight with Mercer? That makes sense to you? A good win is a good win regardless of winning in easy quick fashion or a tough fight on points. The fact you even make such an absurd claim on just one fight shows the level of desperation here. Which Heavyweight in history couldn't you cherry pick a fight and come up with your "Logic" here? LOL. What?
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@bubufubu The wins for Lewis didn't mean anything because they had lost fights before? LOL. That is clearly desperate. Yeah, because all of the top guys in history were all undefeated when they fought each other. I'd love to know who it was that Lewis beat that has you this emotional. This is great. Tell me how Ali was a great when fighting already beaten fighters all the time? Now we've got your inability to dispute actual facts without putting your own warped twist on it out of the way, we'll move to another point. Who were the legacy fights Tyson and Bowe took instead of Lewis? Dokes and Ferguson? Seldon? In fact, when did either Tyson or Bowe go after the top fighters at the time instead of cherry picked 3 tier opponents or those they'd either beaten or thought were shot? Name them. I think you're going to have to watch the Rahman rematch again. Lewis did in fact knock him out with a single punch. The left hook didn't land. How many copies of the fight are on here and for so many years, but still you get even that wrong? Lennox didn't even intend for the left hook to land. He noticed Rahman would put his hands straight out as defence so used the hook to have Rahman use it so he could get the looping right in. You can even see it on the slow replay. The hook hit Rahman's shoulder. So again, you're wrong. What are you like. But i'm sure we'll have you bring in your opinions and disregard the facts like you've done nothing but.
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@bubufubu No, the comment you first replied to was due to the Rahman fight. It was you who started discrediting Lewis' opposition. But you tried to make exclusives through being biased even though you could do it to any fighter in history. But thanks for the continued projection and now gaslighting. Look, i'll even do it with Tyson... Berbick- A nobody already beaten by Snipes, Mercado etc. Bonecrusher - Too many to mention. Thomas - Beaten by a nobody in Berbick. Tucker - What was you said? Ah, that's right. A "Snooze fest". Biggs - A nobody. Holmes - Shot, been out of the ring for 2 years and beaten by a Light Heavy twice in Spinks. Got gift decisions against Witherspoon and Williams. Tubbs - Beaten by Witherspoon. Spinks - A blown up Light Heavyweight. Bruno - Beaten by Witherspoon and Bonecrusher. Williams - Beaten by Weaver. Douglas - Beaten by many but would go on to be dominated, outclassed and knocked out by him. Now that is embarrassing. No dodgy ref. No altitude problems. No rematch either. Do i really need to go on? There are two ways it can go when you're a mandatory. You can price yourself like you're saying. But then it goes to purse bids if no agreement can be reached. If you refuse to fight after the winning purse bid, then you're stripped of the mandatory position. Therefore, Lewis didn't in fact price himself out. It's impossible in this situation. Oh dear. It's that emotion isn't it? LOL. If the holder is unreasonable, they are then stripped (Tyson and Bowe) and the mandatory fights for the title. You can't make the rules up as you see fit. Give me the exact title of the Lewis vs Rahman fight on here and give the complete timing on the video to make sure we both have the same copy. Then tell me the time on the YT clock where that left hook hit.
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@bubufubu Have you walked again? I think it's for the best. It was only going to get worse for you. Everything you wrote was beyond laughable.
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@coherentgelo Oh i agree. Lennox is the one responsible for turning up in that condition. But it doesn't change the facts of why that defeat came about.
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@coherentgelo You mean after the Vitali fight? Lennox achieved all that he wanted after Tyson and was satisfied with his career. He then took over a year away from the sport at his age, but somewhere he's got bored and thought, "I'm the Heavyweight champion of the world. Let's just stroll up and beat these guys". But he came back for the wrong reasons. That desire and fire had gone. Boxing is the last place to be when that's the case. He turned up at his heaviest and looked shot. His balance was gone. He couldn't control distance properly. He looked a mess. But it showed how great he was that he could beat a prime Vitali in that condition. But it also told him that he came back for the wrong reasons. Retiring was the perfect thing for him to do. He had nothing left to prove.
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@AgentOleksandrUsyk Who said it's was Rahman's fault? LOL. I'm just pointing out the facts of the situation. Everyone was talking about it in fight week. Even Rahman was. Turning up to fight in that kind of altitude only a week beforehand was clearly, as Lennox found out, not the best thing to do.
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@5Zbo Is this how you view all facts being put on display? Whatever floats your boat i suppose.
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@5Zbo Rahman did win. But he wasn't even close to being the better fighter. Rahman only won due to Lennox failing to prepare properly. Had he prepared, Rahman wouldn't have won. It's simple to understand. The rematch showed the levels between them as Lennox took it seriously which didn't allow Rahman the advantage he had the first time round.
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@5Zbo If Lennox hadn't turned up too late to acclimatize and didn't turn up at his heaviest, Rahman wouldn't have won. Rahman won on the night. But it most certainly wasn't to do with being a better fighter. It was all down to Lennox messing up with preparation. It's easy to understand. Why, do you think Rahman would have won even with Lennox in the best shape and getting to South Africa a couple of weeks sooner? Rahman wouldn't have stood a chance. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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Those with Irish ancestry don't even come close to being the best fighters England produces. Who can you name throughout history that has Irish ancestry? The reason to why Haggerty is as good as he is, is due to being in an environment that produces great fighters and has done so throughout history. Those who are born and raised in Ireland cannot fight to save their lives. That's why they have very few in history. Those few they do have, achieved very little. How many Irish born fighters can you name that were any good? As for the Army and Navy comment... What??? They did no such thing.
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If UK fighters are so so, then why have they beaten Americans the vast majority of the time they've fought for over a century? The fact you say this on a video with a prime fighter who is natural at the weight and a genuine world contender against a journeyman at the age 34, is hilarious. Lennox didn't wait on anyone. They ducked him. The only time Lennox could fight Tyson and Holyfield was the time it did happen. But Lennox wanted them years earlier. Riddick Bowe didn't get into a ring with Lennox at any point. He just kept running. Riddick and Tyson dropped titles rather than face him. I'm happy to educate you.
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Haggarty isn't Irish. Nor is there anything like "Irish blood". If so, break down the science of it? How does the blood know what Irish is? You only need to look at those who are born and raised in the Republic of Ireland and see they're not in any way shape or form, good fighters. They can't fight worth a lick. The reason to why Haggarty is as good as he is is due to the environment he was brought up in. IE, the UK. The UK has a vast history of great fighters. Ireland does not.
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@arfurdaley6399 It's Haggerty. Not Heggerty. Haha. I know the name is traced to Ireland. I'm not disputing that. What i am disputing though is you saying "Irish stock. What do you expect?" Well, i don't expect anything. Why would i? The Irish don't produce good fighters whereas England produces great fighters and always have. That's why Haggerty can fight the way he does. He's conditioned by the environment. If you think there's some special kind of magic in the blood due to having some faint Irish ancestry, i'm asking what that magic is scientifically? Break it down to me. Also, who are these great Irish fighters produced in the Republic of Ireland born and raised without any other ancestry being involved if it's to be expected when a fighter is great?
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Brook was the best at the weight not long ago but was ducked by all of them. Only when he was broken did the fight with Spence happen. And even at his worst, Spence still couldn't take a round off him in the first half of the fight.
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@lollololololololololololo Do you know there shouldn't be any Mexicans holding world titles? It's true.
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@olliefoxx7165 Haha, who are these British and European fighters he fought? For the record, Robinson at the time was the best at the weight and was making th 8th defence of his title. Ingle was mandatory who would then go on to beat IBF champion and 5 time champion in total, Manuel Medina. He would then defend it against the man who beat Barrera twice in "Poison" Junior Jones at Madison Square Garden on the undercard of Lewis/Grant and knock him out. Naz fought and beat many world class fighters from arounds the world. Those he didn't fight was due to them ducking him. He was ducked by many including Marquez, Morales, Espinoza, McKinney, Norwood etc etc...
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@jimkpani4829 Floyd was at SF. Naz couldn't go up any more weights as he'd already started at FW. Pacquiao didn't even move up to Featherweight until nearly 3 years after the Barrera fight. What are you talking about.
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@johnny_truth How does Loma only win two rounds when he won the fight? Lie all you want about the mass corruption in the US, but it's happening all over the place. Loma, like so many who win in the US, was robbed. Guess who gets all the decisions in robberies? They come from two countries only.
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@cartiershades3392 Why would Loma need to KO or knock down his opponent to win a fight? Did Haney do any of that? Then by your "Logic", he didn't win did he? You're a hypocrite who doesn't think in a rational manner. Do you know what a strawman argument is? You're doing nothing but. Loma supposedly lost because he knocked Nakatani out but didn't do likewise to Haney? Great logic. Makes perfect sense that. Loma controlled the vast majority of the fight in offence and defence. He made Haney miss an awful lot. That's why Haney said what he did in the corner and why he was so rattled in his interview after the fight. It was corruption like it always is in the US. Only Americans and Mexicans get robberies in your country for obvious reasons. It's why you couldn't give a list of Americans and Mexicans winning a fight but getting robbed on the cards against an overseas fighter. The robberies only go one way.
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Who cares. She was born and raised in England. She's British.
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@itsthemuscledad38 Please never attempt to score another fight again. Donaire was dominated by Frampton. But you thought he won? Wow. This could possibly been the worst take on a fight i've ever seen.
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@SiLoMixMaster It's a shock when there ISN'T a robbery over there with an overseas fighter. Just in the last 12 months there's been a heap of them. It's the way they are. They stack the deck against you, but if you manage to come out with the win, even if it's clear, they still rip you off with the judges. It's a disgrace.
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@30Boxing Well considering the circumstances of only having 1 round in 19 months, i wouldn't be surprised. Had it been a level playing field however, Ramirez would get a sound beating.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 Canelo is a fraud who is the most corrupt in world boxing. Don't even pretend there isn't a mass of corruption and cheating with Mexican and American fighters. Canelo himself has already failed two drug tests and had 3 robberies to go alongside his sabotaging opponents to make sure they're at their worst when he takes them on. Navarette has only ever fought one world level fighter in Dogboe. Lets see what happens when he fights world level fighters. He had a struggle last time out with a bum. Who the hell is Ray Martinez? Ruiz is actually the one who gets beat. AJ came into the fight with something clearly wrong with him. He went for the finish stupidly while standing square on and swinging with the shorter fighter with the faster hands. You saw why you don't do that when you're the height of AJ. But he just wanted to get the fight over with. You saw Ruiz get dominated and outclassed when AJ was right in the rematch. But you clowns call anyone using any kind of movement as "Running" to excuse the loss, but praise Mexicans when they do it themselves. Look at Sanchez and that grotesquely overrated bum Ricardo Lopez amongst others. Plus, Ruiz is American, not Mexican.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 I think you mean to say that you haver nothing in reply. Plus, the comment about Saunders was posted 6 months ago. But you think i'm still going on about it? Now that is sad.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 I can see by the lack of knowledge on your part that you're lost. Don't worry though, you're in good company. Most Mexicans are just as lost as you.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 You lot love having people's comments removed don't you? You extremists have weaponised the report button. Sad, sad people. You may want to look at the word "Gringo" to see the irony in your comments. You extremist. Now lets see if you have this comment deleted too.
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@antoniosarmientoluna6497 The argument was already won. The fact you get comments deleted shows who the sad little man is. You're the one who called non Mexicans "Gringo", not me. And yes, Mexicans and Americans get robberies all the time. That is just a fact. To deny it is nothing but more delusion. Don't get involved in anything you can't back up. You just end up looking silly and entitled.
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@axelnajera6887 Mexicans are on top? No they're not. Berchelt got destroyed by a fighter moving up. Munguia was beaten by a journeyman in Hogan but got the gift. Does nothing but duck the top fighters and fights bums. Estrada was well beaten by the smaller and past prime Gonzales, but got the usual robbery Mexicant's get. Canelo is out there doing everything he can to disadvantage his opponents like the punk he clearly is. And the rest are, what? Who have you got? Who have they beaten?
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@mastifaelieo1880 You mean the Ramirez fight in which they actually tried to rip Taylor off in? Did you not see the ref give all that time for Ramirez after the KD's to recover? That's corruption. Then when Taylor had beaten Ramirez clearly by winning 9 of the 12 rounds, they then only give it to Taylor by 2 points. So yeah, they did everything they could to rip Taylor off. Would that be the Salido who also did one of the many things Mexicans use to cheat their opponent and gain advantage by coming in way over weight? He ended up coming into the ring as a Welterweight. Salido should have had points deducted. Had it been the other way round with you witnessing a Mexican on the road getting obviously robbed, you'd be singing a different tune. The amount of corruption in favour of Mexicans is disgusting. Trying to defend it shows you have zero honour and no integrity to speak of.
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Franco owns Sweeny. The only bum is the one who wanted the rematch at the lighter weights to gain a cowardly advantage. Why else do you think the rematch didn't happen in the previous weight class? Sweeny had been fighting there for years. But now he wants to go down? Yeah, right. He's behaving like an American. Won't fight unless they can cripple the opposition and have numerous advantages.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Hitchins got a gift in his last fight. Gifts are never ending in the US.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Give me 10 examples outside of the US? Why would anyone want to fight in the place that has an abundance of gifts weekly? And why are you not making comment about how fighters shouldn't be going anywhere near where you are because of them? Also, you either get given a gift, or you don't. Nearly isn't the same. If i were to include all the times were it nearly happened over your way... Whoa. I'd be here for months on end.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies No, i'm not talking about boxers from other nations getting jibbed overseas. I'm talking about your fighters. Give me 10 examples where they won but didn't get the decision.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Porter never fought overseas so i don't know where you came up with that one. But i'm interested who you think he won against but didn't get the decision.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Hughes didn't get a bad decision in Australia. It was your country that happened.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Dirrell didn't beat Froch. He refused to throw any punches for most of the contest. It was only in the last 3rd of the fight that he started to throw something back and not run. Even Ring Mag scored it for Froch. You can't win in that manner. Sorry.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Catterall was jibbed. But you only need to look at which promotion it was on. It was TopRank. It doesn't matter where the contest takes place. Bob makes sure he has the judges he wants in place.
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@OddlyGiftedBullies Can you not give me 10 times it happened to Americans overseas? I only ask as you said you wouldn't blame him for not leaving the US again even though he got the decision. Unlike Lemos. Even most of the examples were incorrect or happened many years ago. I'm also curious who you think Porter beat only to not get the decision. I hope it isn't Brook as he won 9 rounds on my card. Porter was made ineffective the whole fight. The only one landing scoring punches was Brook.
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@noerodriguez9047 Liam, who is a Super Bantamweight, should fight a Super Middleweight? What? We're not the ones who make sure our opponents are not at their best either when we face them.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Vargas was the one clinching. Not Ball. Ball was the one who clearly won and made Vargas run and clinch like crazy. But please point out all the times Ball did what you say? What rounds, and what time on the clock? Ball didn't get the win as no matter how dominant you are, you still get ripped off on the cards. Would you like me to list all of those fights? There's a mass of them.
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@utd927 That's not the reason to why they lose. Look how inactive they are. Then look at nearly every opponent of the country we're talking about. It will tell you everything. They only get wins against those kind of opponents. They lose nearly every other time.
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@duckyh9712 Ball didn't do anything to be DQ'd. Point out each and every supposed thing he did and in what round? If you want someone who does fight the way you describe in the US, look no further than Andre Ward. That proves you factually wrong.
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@duckyh9712 Brits have the greatest resume for wins overseas in history. Americans and Mexicans have the worst. Whether we're fighting you at home or away, we win most of the time.
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@duckyh9712 Lopez is a low grade nobody who can't box or fight. His last fight was comedy gold with how much he was missing against a nobody. Warrington beat Lopez but got shafted on the cards. Joet drew with him but Lopez got the wide decision. Lopez would be easy work for Ball.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Look at my comment at the bottom of this thread. We do more than FWY. We win the vast majority of the time. We also don't need help in winning either. You do. Would you like me to spell it all out for you? Just ask and i'll happily do so.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Ball was the one clinching and running? You know that to be a lie, don't you? Why do you think you have to make things up all the time that are not true? Think about it.
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@Factsoverfeels8 The comments from those around the world can be seen all going for Ball. Who are the only ones justifying the robbery? Guess what, it's the usual who say they never lose a fight. When you lose and get the decision, you justify it. When you don't get the decision, you claim a robbery. Every single time.
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@RoosterTigerKarate Wood had been inactive for a year in that fight. When he'd been active from the first fight, he dominated Lara. Not only that, but Wood won every completed round apart from 1 round. Why which rounds did you have for Lara in the first fight?
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@DoctorEduardo Could you list all 5 of those at 122 who would "Beat the brakes off Liam" that are world class and not a "Journeyman" like Robles supposedly is according to you? Also, learn what a journeyman is. It isn't something you call someone when making an excuse to why they lost the fight. The fighter whose video you're actually on right now is a journeyman. Ironic that isn't it.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Care to list those fights if you win best for best? List all of them too. I'll do the same. You're not going to like the truth though.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Who are the ones making those likes? Where do they come from? Think, will you. It came from the most toxic and dishonest fanbase in sports.
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@GerardoMndz-jo3kn Look at the bottom of this thread for my comments. You'll see who the dad really is.
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@EmmanuelPena-ki3fg Hello again you. Do you remember me? You ran away which is always the case. Watch it happen en mass here on this thread. We're going to have some fun.
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Taylor vs Ramirez and Vazquez. Ball vs Vargas. Hatton vs Castillo and Lazcano. Wood vs Lara. AJ vs Ruiz. Frampton vs Santa Cruz, Garcia, Gonzalez, Avalos, Hirales and Cazarez. Khan vs Diaz and Molina
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Khal Yafai vs Gonzalez and Carmona. Gal Yafai vs Calleros and Santomauro. Hamed vs Medina and Soto. Ingle vs Medina. McDonnell vs Ceja Woods vs Gonzales x2 and Rivera. Groves vs Sierra. Degale vs Medina and Periban.
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McCullough vs A Zamora, S Ramirez, M Ramirez, O Zamora, Rabanales, Cazares, Cardoz, Bueno, Cardona, Salas, Winstone vs Guerrero. Conteh vs Lopez. Butler vs Montoya Ramirez, Garnica, Molina, Sanchez, Soto, Casares and Garcia Perez. Mitchell vs Estrada and Lopez.
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@Factsoverfeels8 I didn't watch the fight? What, i saw it live. Everyone who watched the fight from around the world had Ball clearly winning. Only you lot claimed otherwise. Find people from anywhere other than Mexico who had Vargas winning or had it a draw? Point out each and every tactic that Ball did in the fight? Tell me which rounds and the time on the clock?
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@RoosterTigerKarate You had Lara winning most of the rounds in the first fight? He won one of the completed rounds. Wood dominated otherwise. Give me each and every round you gave Lara and i'll happily prove you wrong on who won those rounds. Wood out-landed Lara clearly in all but one of the completed rounds.
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Duke McKenzie vs Herrera, Soto, Gallegos, Ruiz, Flores, Blanco, Canizales, Benavides and Rodriguez. Sunny Edwards vs Granados, Gallardo and Guarneros. Monroe vs Terrazas. Lee Selby vs Montiel and Ramirez.
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@Factsoverfeels8 What happened to you giving me all the acts from Ball in the Vargas fight? Can't you find out where he should have been DQ'd? Have you seen my list of wins at the bottom and decided to not come back?
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@EmmanuelPena-ki3fg Look at my list at the bottom and see who wins most of the time. You're nowhere near to being right.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Where is your list of the best vs the best? Can't you find any for your side?
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@armandoadame3029 We have no chance? Look at the list at the bottom under my username. You don't know how to do the ranking going by this comment. Per capita exists for a reason. It's to get the correct reading. You're way off. Then when you look at the calibre of the champions, it's night and day in one direction. That direction isn't yours.
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@duckyh9712 Can't you list these British boxers who get exposed considering we have the greatest resume for overseas and Head to head victories? We win the vast majority of the time. Just look at the bottom of this thread for my username and see the list i've put.
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@duckyh9712 Oh, they're bums the Brits beat. Even though you're on a video of a 34 year old journeyman that Zepeda beat? Oh, right. Let's put it to the test. List all the elite wins you have over us where it was on a level playing field?
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@ddbrotherscontractors Would you like to put that to the test? List all the wins Mexicans and Americans have over us. And i'll give you a much bigger win list for the Brits. You clearly don't know anything about boxing with you thinking this. We actually win the vast majority of the time we go against Mexicans and Americans. I'm happy to prove it. But first, you give me all the wins you have over us.
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@duckyh9712 You've gone awful quiet again when i asked you to list these elite wins over us. Look, i'll start by giving 10 wins over you and you come back and match it. Then i'll give you 10 more. Make sure they're all on a level playing field. Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo. Prince Naseen Hamed vs Cesar Soto. Prince Naseem Hamed vs Manuel Medina. Jamie McDonnell vs Julio Ceja. Leigh Wood vs Mauricio Lara. Duke McKenzie vs Gaby Canizales. John Conteh vs Yaqui Lopez. Rendall Monroe vs Victor Terrazas. Josh Taylor vs Jose Ramirez. Clinton Woods vs Julio Cesar Gonzales.
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@ddbrotherscontractors Here's 10 wins over Mexicans at elite level... Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo. Prince Naseen Hamed vs Cesar Soto. Prince Naseem Hamed vs Manuel Medina. Jamie McDonnell vs Julio Ceja. Leigh Wood vs Mauricio Lara. Duke McKenzie vs Gaby Canizales. John Conteh vs Yaqui Lopez. Rendall Monroe vs Victor Terrazas. Josh Taylor vs Jose Ramirez. Clinton Woods vs Julio Cesar Gonzales. Here's 10 wins over ATG's that are outside of the UK. I want you to match this. You're going to find it hard considering how you lack in these area's. We've got an endless list of ATG's throughout history. Randy Turpin vs "Sugar" Ray Robinson. Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins. Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield. Kirkland Laing vs Roberto Duran. Freddie Welsh vs Benny Leonard. Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa. Jack "Kid" Berg vs Kid Chocolate. Charley White vs Johnny Dundee. Ted "Kid" Lewis vs Jack Britton. Bob Fitzsimmons vs James J Corbett.
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@ddbrotherscontractors Here's 10 wins over Mexicans at elite level... Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo. Prince Naseen Hamed vs Cesar Soto. Prince Naseem Hamed vs Manuel Medina. Jamie McDonnell vs Julio Ceja. Leigh Wood vs Mauricio Lara. Duke McKenzie vs Gaby Canizales. John Conteh vs Yaqui Lopez. Rendall Monroe vs Victor Terrazas. Josh Taylor vs Jose Ramirez. Clinton Woods vs Julio Cesar Gonzales. Match it then i'll give you some more wins.
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@ddbrotherscontractors Here's 10 wins over ATG's that are outside of the UK. I want you to match this. You're going to find it hard considering how you lack in these area's. We've got an endless list of ATG's throughout history. Randy Turpin vs "Sugar" Ray Robinson. Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins. Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield. Kirkland Laing vs Roberto Duran. Freddie Welsh vs Benny Leonard. Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa. Jack "Kid" Berg vs Kid Chocolate. Charley White vs Johnny Dundee. Ted "Kid" Lewis vs Jack Britton. Bob Fitzsimmons vs James J Corbett.
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@ddbrotherscontractors Randy Turpin vs "Sugar" Ray Robinson. Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins. Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield. Kirkland Laing vs Roberto Duran. Freddie Welsh vs Benny Leonard. Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa. Jack "Kid" Berg vs Kid Chocolate. Charley White vs Johnny Dundee. Ted "Kid" Lewis vs Jack Britton. Bob Fitzsimmons vs James J Corbett. Match these ATG wins if you can considering we don't beat anyone outside of the UK.
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@duckyh9712 Who are these recent elite victories you have over us? List all of them. List all the elite victories you have over the last 5 years regardless of where they come from?
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@duckyh9712 You haven't put any list. You're lying. Not even when i click on "Sort by" for the comments and click "Newest first" to bring up EVERY comment posted. I did see your other comment though that never got through to me about Ball. You know, the guy that beat up Vargas, made him run and clinch for his life even though you're saying Ball was the one responsible? The same guy who clearly beat Vargas.
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@duckyh9712 You've gone quiet again. What's wrong? Can't you support any of your comments? Who are these recent elite victories you have over us on a level playing field? list all the elite victories you have over anyone from anywhere over the last 5 years on a level playing field? Just do 10 at a time and we'll go over them.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Why haven't you come back and told me where Ball should have been DQ'd in the fight? I asked you to point it all out to me. What seems to be the problem?
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@Factsoverfeels8 Show me where in the fight Ball was the one clinching? What round and time on the clock? You said he should be DQ'd. Point out where he should have been DQ'd. Show me what you think the problem is on the second KD? That was clean. No feet got tangled nor was any clinch involved.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Decisions are the most extreme over your way. I have many fights i can give you. But first, i want you to list every decision in the UK considering you claim it's worse over here. You think Saudi Arabia is ball's country? You can't even get that right. That's how bad it is with you. You even think the Italian judge is a home ref. What?
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@duckyh9712 Is that you done then? Well, i guess you really told me, didn't you. Nothing you said had any hint of truth to it. You refusing to answer questions has made that very clear. No wonder nearly all the wins are not on a level playing field. A loss comes otherwise. But ask yourself why they go after those kind of fights all the time? They know what they're doing. Aren't you embarrassed?
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@Factsoverfeels8 Can't you answer the questions i'm putting to you? It's clear you can't. I'll consider you cleaned down too. Ask yourself why you lot make comments you can't justify? If you had any real confidence, you wouldn't lie so pathologically. Funny thing is, if your fighters had any read confidence either, they wouldn't be making sure their opponents are nowhere near their best before they take them on. It's easy to see what happens when it's on a level playing field. It's always 9/10 a one sided affair too. That tells you why they do it in the first place.
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@Factsoverfeels8 The UK is winning head to head and does so the vast majority of the time. That's a fact. Just scroll down near the bottom of the thread and see my list if you haven't already. But thanks for the strawman reply. I asked direct questions but you can't answer them. These are questions from comments you've already made. What does that tell you? The only one who doesn't know boxing is you. It's why you can't answer simple questions. You're getting beaten the way your guys get beaten whenever they fight on a level playing field.
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@Factsoverfeels8 You keep on repeating the same thing over and over again without listing all out best you supposedly beat on a level playing field. Well, what are you waiting for? List them all. Then i'll give you a bigger list. While you're there, list all these world title fights you've beaten us in like you claimed and watch me come back with a bigger list. But that's the thing, you won't come back with a list and justify your comment. You'll just make a claim that isn't true because there's something wrong with you.
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@Factsoverfeels8 You just made that number up. Here, i'll prove it... Keep it to 5 world title fight wins at a time otherwise the comment won't go through. Naseem Hamed vs Medina WBO Featherweight title. Naseem Hamed vs Soto WBO/WBC Featherweight titles. Clinton Woods vs Gonzales IBF Light-Heavyweight title x2. Kal Yafai vs Carmona WBA Superfly title. Now you give me 5 wins over us in title fights, then i'll give you 5 more. We'll do this until the other has nothing to come back with.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Have you disappeared again? LOL. I thought the score was 33-14? Yeah, it looks like it.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Of course you have to list them. If you make a claim, you support it. But guess what, you can't support your claims because they're not true. You'd list them otherwise. All you do is make claims, refuse to justify those claims, then deflect. Oh, then you bring in the strawman argument and i correct you there too only for you jump to something else. This is nothing but embarrassing for you. Nothing you've said has any value nor truth to it.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Here's 5 more... Jamie McDonnell vs Ceja IBF Bantamweight title. Paul Ingle vs Medina IBF Featherweight title. James Degale vs Medina IBF Super-Middleweight title. Leigh Wood vs Lara WBA Featherweight title. Ricky Hatton vs Castillo Lineal Light-Welterweight title.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Would you like 5 more just to show you that your 14 wins in title fights for us is completely wrong? John Conteh vs Lopez WBC Light-Heavyweight title. Josh Taylor vs Ramirez Undisputed Light-Welterweight title. Carl Frampton vs Avalos IBF Super-Bantamweight title. Lee Selby vs Montiel IBF featherweight title. Lee Selby vs Ramirez IBF Featherweight title.
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@Factsoverfeels8 How about 5 more to take it to 20 title fights we've won over you? Sure, no problem... Lee Haskins vs Morales IBF Bantamweight title. Duke McKenzie vs Soto WBO Bantamweight title. Ricky Hatton vs Lazcano Lineal Light-Welterweight title. Duke McKenzie vs Canizales WBO Bantamweight title. Jamie McDonnell vs Vargas Para WBA Bantamweight title. See how wrong your numbers are now? I deal in facts. Not fiction.
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@tinodeportes6127 I didn't know it snowed in Mexico all the time.
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@Factsoverfeels8 Dalton says Hi. LOL.
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@FoxcoonSF I do compare the amount of champions. But i do it properly. Considering the fact you have twice our numbers, you do it on a per capita basis to get the correct reading of it. Then when you compare the quality of champions we have over you, it's a wash. It's like comparing an ATG in Lennox Lewis to Alberto Lopez. Both show up as having 1 champion each in our champions list. But see how funny it is? We have fighters with more ATG wins to themselves, than your entire history combined. Ted "Kid" Lewis has 43 ATG wins to himself. Could you match that ATG number using your entire history? And that's just 1 of our fighters. We have many more.
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@FoxcoonSF I'll give you 20 British ATG's. You will have to give me 40 to equal that number due to the per capita of having twice our numbers. Lennox Lewis, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Calzaghe, Nigel Benn, Carl Froch, Chris Eubank, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Jack "Kid" Berg, Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Naseem Hamed, Ricky Hatton, Charley White, Owen Moran, Joe Burman, Jim Driscoll, Phil Bloom, Matt Wells, Jimmy McLarnin, Johnny Cuthbert.
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@FoxcoonSF Then when we compare the ATG wins we both have historically, we have about 30 to your every 1. We win in the head to head vs you and the US the vast majority of the time we do go against each other. Sorry, but you're not an Olympus in boxing. You never have been and you never will be either. Anyone who thinks otherwise, quite literally doesn't know their history. But i'm happy to help in educating you. It's clear you're in need of it.
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@abramcortez3536 Brits spank Americans all the time. Either that or you run from us. But then again, you run from everyone. Haha.
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@abramcortez3536 I said Brits, not Europeans. But they spank you or you run away from them too. Either that or you rip them off on the cards like Kovalev/Ward Lomachenko/Lopez Golovkin/Canelo etc etc.. But i'd like you to list these supposed loses? Then tell me about wins for Americans when they travel, because they lose nearly every single time. That's if they can find their balls that is. The vast majority of the time they can't. They don't have the character.
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@abramcortez3536 You're not getting back to me on "Will get slept by American fighters" and "European fighters lose when coming to the states"? What happened? Shut down by a direct question? I'm still waiting for you to back yourself up. I can.
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@abramcortez3536 So everything i write is now being deleted? Absolute cowards. Answer the question and give me these names you supposedly beat?
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@pac-man8661 Aussie's can't box yet Moloney was not only the superior technician in the fight, but actually won it? Just like nearly every other title they have wasn't won by them. They were given it by the judges. It's Mexican's who can't box. They have the least skill in world boxing. They're nothing more than brawlers who just swing punches. They have very little technique. And their footwork? LOL. The least said the better.
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@roninbaltao9248 Is that the only fight you can name? Now look at Mexicans and look how much is there. It's nothing but.
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@roninbaltao9248 You think Australia is in Europe? Which Mexicans have legit world titles that weren't through dodgy decisions? As for thinking Mexico is anywhere near to Europe. LOL. They have wins that weren't gifted. They have proper resumes. Plus, they don't refuse to fight unless they're inactive, shot, coming off a loss, drained etc etc the way yours do all the time. You barely have any wins that aren't tainted. Try it and see if you want. Give me all the world class wins without any funny business being attached to it? While you're there, tell me about all the robberies in Australia considering you claimed it was corrupt.
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@roninbaltao9248 Why do you lot run when someone asks you to justify your claims? You're like your fighters when an opponent who isn't inactive or shot comes calling.
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@roninbaltao9248 Man, you took your time to reply back. Care to answer any of the questions i put to you? I know Canelo is ducking Benavidez. I didn't say otherwise.
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@roninbaltao9248 I have no idea what this has to do with my questions? I know Mexican boxing isn't smart. Why would you think i was claiming that? I said their titles were through ill gotten means across the board. But you said Australia was corrupt. Well, tell me about all these supposed bad decisions there other than Horn against Pacquiao?
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@roninbaltao9248 That's a clear projection. You're the one who clearly does that as you're the one who made comments you can't justify. Ask yourself why you'd make comments you can't justify then act like a child? Hmmm? People like you shouldn't be allowed on the internet.
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@roninbaltao9248 I think you'll find that's a projection considering you can't justify your claims. You're the one who comes under the description of how you described Australia.
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@sage1d590 Hamed lost to Barrera because Barrera had ducked the fight for years until Naz wasn't the same fighter. Naz didn't keep his tools sharp and fell in love with his power. Look at Naz at the start of his career all the way to Robinson. Then see him as a different fighter until McCullough. He then changes again after that leading to the Barrera fight. Naz used to have a jab to compliment his style like against Badillo. But after that he used a flicking jab to load up on his back hand and keeping his head on the line. He never used to do that until late in his career. Both Naz and Barrera at their best has Naz knocking Barrera out.
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Duran gassed out badly against Hagler at the half way mark. Had that not been the case, he would have won that fight. Hagler only took it by a point on my card.
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@KiwiGraggle Surely you understand how bitter and arrogant you're coming off on this page right? Seriously, get a grip. You've imagined some slight with the opening comment when there wasn't one to be had. As for no one having those stats considering recent games...
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The Brits won 7 fights to Australia's 4. Plus, this happened way before Brexit.
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@Ks-jt2rt I've been reading some of your comments on this page, and I just wanted to say what an embarrassment you are. Stupid and petty doesn't do it justice. Your anti English stance is very clear. But what I wanted to know is, what makes you think Simon Jeffs is English? His channel shows nothing, nor does his name or comments. But you automatically think he's English? Seem pretty sure of yourself for no apparent reason. What gives?
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@smokemmz Why would you be sorry? Do you think i'm some Sunny super fan or something? The only one who needs a sorry is you as you clearly haven't got over Curiel being easily beaten by him. Chin up, yeah.
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@smokemmz What does that make Curiel after getting dominated and outclassed by him? But how does a world class fighter getting beat by another world class fighter make Sunny British level? When 2 Mexicans fight and one loses, are they Mexican level?
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@smokemmz Do you even know what British level means?
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@smokemmz At no point did it come across as me being a super fan of Sunny. I just pointed out your bitterness after Curiel was clearly beaten. The fact you're here half a year later clearly proves the Curiel loss hit you hard. LOL.
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@smokemmz Sunny was a world champion. Therefore, that makes no sense. You literally can't tell the difference between a domestic level fighter and a world level fighter. Sunny was just beaten by another world level fighter. Do you think the loser in a fight between two Mexicans means they're domestic level regardless of them having held a world title and beating world level fighters beforehand?
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@smokemmz Show me where we apparently overrated him? I never mentioned anything about where i rated him. You don't care about the Curiel loss even though you have factually spent time looking for this old comment on an old thread? It's still on your mind for you to come back to it after all this time. You were salty back then, You're factually still salty now. Your comments from back then and now factually prove it. Why else would you remember an old thread?
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@smokemmz Sunny has 2 losses. Nowhere near to what all your fighters retire with. But you're making out 2 losses is a lot? LOL. How many of your fighters retired with less than 2 defeats? Name them.
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@smokemmz Where did Sunny show "Little resilience"? The ref stopped the fight.
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@smokemmz Have you gone quiet again?
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@smokemmz He had problems at home leading up to the fight. He didn't want to be there. But he didn't quit. If you want quitting, look no further than Chavez vs De La Hoya, Morales vs Pacquiao, Medina vs Hamed, Lopez vs Alvarez etc etc. Sunny did no such thing. The ref stopped it. Can you not get anything right?
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@smokemmz As for beatdowns, how many of your lot haven't taken them? All of them have other than Sanchez. What do you think of them? Were they embarrassing?
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@smokemmz I think you need to learn how to spell and write coherently. You do know that i know where you're from, right. You're on many of their videos for a reason. But i can see you're too embarrassed to admit it. I have plenty more were they come from. I only gave you 4 examples. You should see how many of them quit. You wouldn't be a world champion if you were just domestic level or a contender. Therefore, it's clear you know nothing. But go on, where are you pretending to be from?
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@smokemmz What reputation is that? Fighting those who are inactive, drained, forced to sign a rehydration clause, shot, not given enough time to train, ducking all the time or getting a mass of gift decisions all the time? I could even ask you which world class fighters have they beaten in the last 6 years that were on a level playing field and without any funny business? Name them. For the record, you literally don't know our history if you think that. We have fighters with more ATG wins alone than your entire history combined. You don't come anywhere near to our history. You only have 6 ATG's in history where we have about 30. And you have double our population. WE also win the vast majority of the time we fight. Plus, we don't have to target you when you're inactive the way you do. That's a huge difference.
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@smokemmz Yes, your lot. Are you embarrassed after i pointed out the quitting? LOL.
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@smokemmz Where are you from then?
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@smokemmz Do you not know how to answer questions? You're the one who is embarrassed, remember. You claim to be from somewhere else after i pointed out actual quitting. Why else would you do that if not for being embarrassed?
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@smokemmz Where are you from, Bitter Curiel fanboy.
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@smokemmz Where are you from?
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@smokemmz Why can't you answer the questions? If you're correct, you'd have no problem in doing so. But guess what...
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@smokemmz Can you not come up with where you're from? What's the big secret? LOL. Can't tell me these world class fighters you've beaten on a level playing field? What's up?
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@smokemmz Having a life stops you from answering questions but you have enough time to write nothing but deflections? Oh, right. LOL. Can you not find any world class wins on a level playing field? Can you not find any fighters who didn't get beaten in a similar manner as Sunny did against Yafai?
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@smokemmz The only one in charge here is the one who has the other deflecting. I can back up everything i say as the evidence is there to support it. You can't back up anything as it isn't true. See the huge difference?
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@smokemmz And yet another deflection. Can you not give anything else other than a deflection? Are the questions too hard for you? Certainly looks that way Yeah, i'm the one failing to understand here. LOL.
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@smokemmz I'm not talking about PEDS. I'm talking about fighting opponents when they're at their worst whilst they're at their best. They'll duck the fight unless they get those conditions. That's why i'm asking you which wins at world level can you name where it was on a level playing field. It's a simple question. When did AJ fail any kind of test? Again, just making it up. You have twice our population. On a per capita basis, the UK and Puerto Rico are at the top. You dispute the UK having the much greater history. If that's the case, what ATG wins do you have? I can name hundreds against the very best in history. But you can't. I wonder why that is?
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@smokemmz Here's just a few wins we have against some of the best.... Let's see if you can match these. Duran, Robinson, Leonard, Hopkins, Holyfield, Kid Chocolate, Pancho villa, Carpentier, Jack Britton, Bartfield, Gans, Canzoneri, Barny Ross, Mandell. That's just a small handful of what we have. You come nowhere near to matching even this.
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@smokemmz There's too many to name. It would be easer to name the wins that don't come under those conditions. I'll happily get the ball rolling by giving you some examples though... Lara vs Warrington inactive for 17 months. Lara vs Wood inactive for a year. Canelo draining Kovalev and having a rehydration clause. Ramirez vs Goulamirian inactive for 16 months. Canelo vs Jacobs rehydration clause etc etc.... You understand? It's nothing but situations like this. Then you have the mass of gift decisions. But if you fight on a level playing field, you don't much at all. In fact, i can't even name any. That's how bad it is. That's your real reputation.
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@smokemmz I mean only a handful of the hundreds we have. Duh. But i see you can't even match this by giving ATG wins for your lot. You're just projecting. It's you who aren't used to greatness. It's why your ATG wins are very few in history. Why are you talking about Whitaker now? Your desperation is hilarious. Try answering the actual questions. But considering you mentioned him, why don't you tell me who your top fighters are? They're losing all over the place. All of them have been beaten and exposed. Either that or they run away like Canelo does cherry picking and ducking.
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@smokemmz Are you struggling trying to find some ATG wins in your history? LOL. Don't worry, you won't find much. For a reason too. I'll tell you what, why don't you name all the world class wins in the last 6 years and i'll tell you if they're on a level playing field or not, yeah? Can you do that? It doesn't look like you can from where i'm sitting. LOL.
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@smokemmz You don't have a long list. That's why you can't give one. You're deflecting for a reason. I know you went in search for ATG wins only to find you hardly have any. See if you can match the 14 i put down. Go on, try. Let's see how far you get. How can we be embarrassed when we've won the vast majority of the fights throughout history against both countries?
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@smokemmz I've proven you can't support anything you say. You run away like your fighters do. Everything i say is fact which can be fact checked. See the difference between us? But you keep on deflecting with everything. That will prove you can back it up. LOL.
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@smokemmz Again, you were the one complaining when Sunny beat Curiel. Then you came back and started complaining some more. Who goes back to a half a year old thread? Who even remembers being on a thread that long ago? You do. That's how. You searched it out. Now you're running away from every question by deflecting. You can't even give me 14 ATG wins to match the number i put. But you're saying your list is too long to write down? LOL. I know for a fact you don't have a long list. I know how many ATG wins you historically have. And it's shockingly poor. So poor, you're embarrassed to write anything down.
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@smokemmz You literally don't know what truth is. You've proven that repeatedly. Sensitive is coming back half a year later because it still burns. Sensitive is being made to deflect because you can't back anything you say up. I'm just having fun.
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@smokemmz You mentioned Bam because you were bitter about Curiel losing. Mentioning Bam when he had nothing to so with this fight showed how salty you were. And yes, you were complaining. Go and read all of your comments. Not just the ones on this reply thread. There's more under this video.
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@smokemmz You don't know? Don't worry. I know you don't know.
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@smokemmz Oh are you back again but still not answering any of the questions? LOL. How did Sunny humiliate his people when both of them are British? LOL. Humiliation is being forced to deflect. Making an excuse about having a life which is why you can't reply, but replying non stop with nothing but more deflections. Can you not even tell me who the top fighters are for your end? Why? Is the truth too much with them all being defeated and ducking?
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@smokemmz At no point did you root for Sunny against Curiel. Just read your comments about the ref stopping the fight due to the cut caused by Curiel's head. You wanted it to continue and weren't happy even though the ref was right. You were just hoping the cut could help Curiel win. There was no body language from Sunny which is why you can't show me on the fight like i asked last time. You deflected like you always do. How embarrassing.
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@smokemmz Are you refusing to name your best fighters because they were all clearly beaten like Navarrete vs Berinchyk, Cruz vs Valenzuela, Valenzuela vs Santos, Curiel vs Sunny and Nontshinga, Lara vs Wood and Lugo, Lopez vs Leo etc etc? Is that why? They lost in one sided fashion. Who have you got that didn't?
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@smokemmz Was that question too difficult to answer too? Yeah, they're the best in the world aren't they. Top draw. LOL. Just imagine being too embarrassed to name your top fighters.
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@smokemmz Hey there. What did you think of Munguia being stopped with one shot against a cherry pick with only 4 wins by stoppage? I guess he needs to go back to inactive or finished opponents like the rest of your lot as you always lose when they're at their best, regardless of their quality. It doesn't take much to beat yours as i say. The facts don't lie. Was it also terrible watching Navarette coming from another loss beating Valdez by stoppage? No wonder you didn't want to list your best fighters. LOL. I wouldn't if i were you as well. But then again, i wouldn't be making comments to bring about the embarrassment. Take care.
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@smokemmz Why did you make 2 comments? Not all emotional there are you? LOL. What's that. Living rent free? Is that what you call it coming back after 6 months to find me? Oh, right. Ohhh, Munguai is a nobody now? Is that why he's your biggest star outside of Canelo? All you lot call him a top fighter. But i guess you have to play him down now after what happened. LOL.
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@smokemmz I wasn't the one who came back after 6 months. That was actually you. Nothing has bothered me. Can't say the same for you. But If you're trying to tell me it shattered your world over someone like Curiel, Then you've got a problem. P.S Try and keep it to one comment at a time. No need to send two to my one. LOL.
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@majormackeral Bruno was a good world class fighter. But when talking about the greatest fighters ever produced by the UK, Bruno's name won't rightfully be put up. Many, many other fighters will come up well before he does.
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@empelto How have you come to this conclusion? Just bitterness? I guess he's doing great then if you've been forced to discredit him due to beating your favourite fighters.
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@empelto I'm sorry, what? You accused him of doping. I asked how you came to this conclusion. You've come back with a comment about food. What is different between Haggerty and the other fighters?
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user-ul1vp5hr8q Who cares where they train? What is this even supposed to mean? They're as good as they are because they have the abilities to be this good.
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Nearly every single one is through corruption or refusing to face who they should. This is another gift tonight. Guevara didn't win this fight. Not only that, but this wasn't a world title. It's an interim.
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@dlo1009 I don't expect you to have any integrity or honesty. I know you too well. You'll justify it all no matter how extreme it is. But the hilarious irony is, you'll go around claiming that your lot get robbed the most. No, you receive the most and get robbed the least.
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@Wheca Hello you. Do you remember me? I had you deflecting when i corrected all your lies.
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@opendagates8642 Is that all you lot have to say when you get yet another gift? Should we just accept all the corruption and not say anything? If you had this against your lot, you'd be screaming. You're not even on the receiving end of corruption but you still go round in huge numbers claiming you do. That's how extreme this fanbase is.
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@Wheca The delusion is as strong as always i see. It was you who clearly went quiet. And you're still liking your own comments too. LOL.
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@Wheca You made me switch accounts? What? This is the only account i've ever had. But then again, through all the interactions i've had with you, you just make it all up in your head. Delusions know no bounds here. But go on, humour me. How would you know if i switched accounts or not?
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@Wheca How did you make me switch accounts? How would you even know if i did? Everything you say is all made up. All of it.
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@Wheca I asked you how would you know if i switched accounts? What are you basing this on? Nothing is the answer, which is why you can't answer my question. Which champions do you have that are legitimate? Name all of them. I'll correct you. Again.
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@Wheca I can't know anything about switching accounts because it didn't happen. That's why the two times i've asked you how i did, and on what basis, you have provided nothing. Every title we have should be there. But there's many that aren't like Chantelle Cameron, Nicky Ball, Jack Catterall, Nina Hughes, Josh Warrington etc etc. Whereas it's very different for you. Vargas, Espinoza, Estrada, Navarrete, Cruz, Alberto Lopez, Martinez should not hold those titles. That's leaves Zurdo and Canelo. However, if Arsen wasn't inactive for 16 months, they would never have taken that fight. But you know they always target inactivity for the advantage. If Canelo didn't duck the Benavidez fight, he'd also lose his titles. That would factually leave you with none. And that's without getting to the Women's titles that also shouldn't be there. You just don't like these facts. But facts is very much what they are.
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@Wheca I supposedly have an "Aussie" account? You're not very creative are you considering we're talking about an Aussie fighter. But at no point did i see any "Aussie" account when we were engaging on those other comment threads. In fact, i remember them so i'll get back to when i pull them all up to show there isn't any "Aussie" account. Those fighters were out-boxed, and badly? Most of them didn't even face opponents that were boxing. Catterall was the boxer against Taylor and walked him into everything while Taylor looked ragged. Nina Hughes was the boxer whilst Johnson had a high guard walking into everything. Lopez can't box to save his life so that's hilarious. He was just swinging at the guard and hitting fresh air the way he does. In the second half of the fight he held for dear life as he was getting beat up and rocked all over the place. Cameron clearly won the fight against Taylor who kept on throwing flurries and missing most of them. Taylor was also knocked down but it wasn't credited. Anyone who has any knowledge of Taylor knew Cameron was going to get jibbed in the rematch as they tried to do it in the first but it was too one sided. Therefore, what you're saying, is quite clearly made up.
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@Wheca Navarrete was clearly out-boxed and clearly lost against Conceicao. Martinez was beaten not only by Carmona in a boxing lesson, but he got an even bigger boxing lesson last time out against Cordova and only won 2 of the 12 rounds. Estrada has lost his last 3 with the 2 against Rodriguez being clear losses. Especially the second fight. Vargas was forced to run against Ball where he was dropped twice and fell to the floor complaining all night. Cruz shouldn't have the title because Catterall is the real champion. But it gets worse as Rolly was dominated and dropped against Barroso but had a crooked ref to help him out and stop the fight when Rolly didn't even land a single punch at the time of stoppage. Lopez didn't beat Warrington as i've already explained. Yeah, they're not legit. You know this but you'll defend it no matter what. I suppose you had Barboza beating McComb after that one sided affair where Barboza was completely dominated and outclassed.
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@Wheca I write as much as is needed. But at no point was there any "Aussie" account who posted long and detailed comments. As i said, i'll prove it to you when i have a bit of time and pull our past meetings up. There was nothing angry about the truth i gave. You just don't like it. I'm not the one making excuses. Nor do we have overrated fighters. That's you as you can see. Only corruption has you having those titles. That's a straight fact. There is no way you could justify any of them winning. Of course you don't want to continue reading. You can't argue against facts. You'll do as you do every other time and run.
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@Wheca I thought you couldn't be bothered to read any of this? You've changed your tune. LOL. It was close fight in which Cordina won. No one won it clearly. But do please give every round you had to Vasquez? Fury looked rubbish and didn't dominate the way he was predicted to. But when you don't even prepare properly and overlook the guy, that's what happens. But he didn't lose. Ngannou was made to look better through the sheer fact Fury looked bad. But a round isn't scored due to the favourite not dominating as much as they thought he would. Smith won his last fight by stoppage. You're just making it all up. You even said Fury shouldn't have his title because he's going to lose it to Usyk. What???? The fight hasn't happened yet. And he couldn't have lost it to Ngannou because the title wasn't on the line.
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@Wheca Why did you just write 3 separate comments straight after each other? Why couldn't you just put it all in one post? Be specific and tell me what i'm denying? Everyone knows boxing is corrupt and you're the worst in boxing. It happens all the time with you. You just don't have any integrity or honesty. The Martinez/Carmona fight the full 12 and was a MD. It's you who clearly doesn't know what you're talking about. It's very easy to find his record.
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@Wheca Not Rodriguez. Gonzales. I got the names mixed up. Simple mistake. But it wasn't a mistake with you thinking Carmona retired on his stool. Howe can you take someone's belt with ease when they didn't even win? He spent the second half running, getting beat up, rocked, and holding for dear life. Give me your score card on the fight? I'll happily go over the rounds with you and prove you wrong. As for not getting any real wins. Would you like to point out all these real wins for you without the opponent being inactive, drained, shot, or being robbed? Give it a go and you'll see you have hardly anything. Again, that's a fact. You won't find much without something being at play.
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@Wheca I was the one asking you for your cards. Not some "Aussie" account. It was this account. There wasn't anyone around asking the same questions when we were discussing things. You made it up. As i say, you're not very creative considering this is on the video for an Aussie fighter.
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@Wheca What was that about someone going quiet? You really do need to be more mindful about all these projections. Have you found out that Smith actually won his last fight by stoppage where Masternak was the one who retired on his stool? You even said Carmona retied on his stool when it actually went the full distance. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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@Wheca I don't know any "RavenAussie" But i'll look for the name on the other comment sections. Do you accept Smith won his last fight by stoppage? Do you accept Carmona wasn't retired on his stool like you claim? There's no point in bringing up points only for you to deflect all the time.
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@Wheca You're deflecting right now. I know why you're accusing me of having another account. You're claiming it every time i ask a question you can't answer. Do you accept Smith won his last fight by stoppage? Do you accept Carmona wasn't retired on his stool like you claim? There's no point in bringing up points only for you to deflect all the time.
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@Wheca Is this your way of accepting you got it wrong for both? Carmona gave Martinez and his laughable feet a boxing lesson. Just like he got last time out too against Cordova but even worse. Right, let's get into the cards. We'll do one each. I'll even let you go first with the Cordina/Vasquez fight. Give me just 7 rounds Vasquez won?
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@Wheca No, you told me that on this account. You told me on the comment section were you kept on deflecting on the subject of ATG's. I repeatedly asked you to answer the question but you repeatedly refused to. I then put it to you that if you deflected again, you would forfeit the discussion. Quite some time has past since then. So, did you find the other 84 Mexican ATG's you needed? LOL. Did you find the world class fighters the likes of Arce beat too? You said you had the exact same rounds as Bellew but you had a different 12 round. Is that correct? It doesn't matter how bad anyone is. They'll always be someone who they beat, unless they lose every single fight they ever have. But that's rare. Martinez has laughable feet and no skills. The fact that a nobody like Harris could give him a close fight says it all. I think you need to watch the Selby fight again. His laughable feet are on full display. A Selby who didn't even want to box any more due to the death of his Mother. It's why he was out for over a year before the Martinez fight and retired soon after that fight. His head wasn't there any more.
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@Wheca You read my comment and thought it was me admitting switching accounts? Yeah, that's your imagination at play. You said you told that to this Aussie account but it was actually me you said that to, on this account. You gave me fighters who weren't close to being ATG's. You were giving me fighters who didn't even have world class wins. LOL. I asked for your reasoning on how you came to the conclusion they were ATG's. You gave only one source. That being the IBHOF. Well, we have 50 to your 16. I asked what else you had, but you deflected non stop and repeatedly refused. You thinking i went quiet is your imagination again. It was you who went quiet. You're doing it again every time i ask you to answer the question. I asked you if you had the exact same rounds as Bellew other than the 12th round. Is that correct?
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@Wheca You think it's an excuse to acknowledge Harris being a nobody? No, that's a fact. Why, do you think he was world class or something? The story about Selby is also true. Go and read up on it. You can even check the year out and retiring soon after the Martinez fight. Acknowledging reality and facts isn't making an excuse. Do you think every low level Mexican is world class? Would you accept people claiming they were "Exposed" when they predictably lose to a higher level fighter?
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@Wheca Well, you can't score a fight just like Bellew can't. I think you should check out round 2 again as Cordina clearly wins it. Bellew had it for Vasquez. Therefore, Cordina wins. I didn't say Lewis fought Britton over 40 times. I said Lewis had over 40 ATG wins which i listed for you. Even if you removed every win over Britton and half of Lewis' resume, he'd still be a top 10 ATG. You're the one who doesn't know what a great is. You called top 10 ATG Benny Leonard a nobody and put nobodies down in Kid Azteca, Arce and others. Maybe you'd like to tell me who they beat who were world class and stop deflecting like you always do. Catterall, Billam-Smith, Nicky Ball, Fury, Cordina. Leigh Wood should be in there too. That's still 5 or 6 more than you have. All yours are illegitimate. Then when you add in per capita due to you having twice our numbers, it becomes even worse for you.
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@Wheca Bellew scored round 2 to Vasquez. The same way you did. But Vasquez didn't come close to winning the second round. Cordina clearly won it. We can go over the round and check out who clearly outlands the other. Where are the world class wins for Arce and Kid Azteca? Deflect as hard as you like. It only proves you can't justify anything you claim. You don't have 9 champions if they're all illegitimate. Anyone can have a title if it's through ill gotten means. It doesn't make you a real champ.
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@Wheca Per capita isn't the land mass. It's the amount of people the country have. If every person in the UK and Mexico had 1 marble each, they'd both have the exact same amount as each other. But if you add it all up, Mexico would have twice as many as the UK due to the greater numbers they have. It's simple mathematics. Don't worry yourself though, i don't expect you to understand. LOL.
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@Wheca Ball and Catterall are the real champs. The boxing world acknowledges the both of them. Not anyone else.
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@Wheca We'll go over round 2 and count the punch connects for both. We'll put the time on the DAZN clock for each landed punch. Tell me how many punches Vasquez lands, then i'll give you 5 times as many punches which were bigger and better shots than Vasquez landed. And no, the world doesn't think Vasquez won. Just you lot who claim it's a robbery when you lose but then justify every robbery you have. That's why you're actually known as the worst fanbase in boxing.
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@Wheca Arce is not an IBHOF inductee at all. Why would he be, he doesn't have any world class wins. It's why you can't name any. But your contradictions are beyond insane. You claimed actual inductees were nobodies, but here you are claiming an actual nobody is one of the greats. That's how crazy this is. You make no sense at all. Azteca doesn't have over 200+ wins. When did the amount of fights someone had decide whether they're a great or not? It's about world class wins, not the amount of fights had. Name the world class fighters he beat? Go on. I asked you to give me the punch count for the second round. What seems to be the problem other than you not being able to justify anything?
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@Wheca What does the punch count matter? You claim it was a robbery. I'm asking you to justify it. But all you're doing is deflecting when i ask you questions. You wouldn't be claiming it as a robbery if it didn't matter. But i'm willing to correct you on every single point you make. We'd obviously have more champions if it wasn't for robberies. That's the point. And you'd have none if the scores were done properly.
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@Wheca You've gone quiet again. Where is the punch count from the second round that proves Cordina clearly won that round? Where are the world class wins for Arce and Azteca? Hello? LOL.
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@Wheca You can project and gaslight all you want. It won't work. The only one deflecting here is you. You had one question and i answered it. You asked how many world champions we had. Not once during this discussion did you ask about the world class fighters Lewis and Bloom beat. You asked in the last discussion, but i gave a detailed answer to both. Not once during the last discussion or this one have you answered to which world class fighters did Arce and Azteca beat. Nor have you given me the punch count in round 2 between Cordina and Vasquez. A round Cordina clearly won. By deflecting all the time, you just prove you're out of your depth. Just as you proved by claiming someone who has had lots of fights is therefore an ATG. Even though many of our fighters have but you claimed they weren't. You just don't know what you're talking about on any point. It's why you desperately play these games. But you'll never top calling a top 10 ATG in Benny Leonard a nobody or claiming a nobody in Andre Berto was a great fighter because "You knew of his name and could search it on the internet". LOL. Whenever you're ready. Where are the answers?
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@Wheca I asked you what qualified as an ATG the last time about 30 times. Not once did you answer. That's why i said that if you deflected once more, you're forfeiting the discussion. You gave one source and were out-classed 50 to 16 inductees. What else qualifies as one? In order to give ATG's, you first need to know how you came to the conclusion of them being so. But you can't. You can't even come close. All you do is make me laugh.
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@Wheca I answered your question. I gave you the 5 fighters in Ball, Billam-Smith, Catterall, Fury and Cordina. The 6th was Leigh Wood who didn't lose the title in the ring. As i say, play these games all you want, But it's clear what you're doing. We're all here having a good laugh at what you're saying. You don't even know what a world class fighter even is. Nor do you know what an ATG is. It's why you keep deflecting every time i ask you what qualifies as one. Bloom and Lewis have many ATG wins to their name. You're just uneducated. You've made that very clear. If you had the same rounds as Bellew other than the 12th round, that means that Cordina wins the fight if you change Bellew's horrible scoring in the 2nd round. What part of that is proving too difficult for you to understand?
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@Wheca How can you give 5 names that are ATG's if you can't answer to what qualifies as one? We went over this the last time and you couldn't answer. You were just giving any old name. We can do 5 names each as long as you can't explain what qualifies as an ATG. But you can't explain. You literally have no idea what you're on about.
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@Wheca You just keep saying back to me what i'm saying to you. The huge difference between us though is, what i say is factual. What you say is in fact, insane and devoid of any merit. You're just desperate to avoid answering the questions because you literally don't have any answers to give. Where are the world class fighters Arce and Aztec beat? Where is the punch count for the second round?
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@Wheca Ball and Catterall are recognised as the real champions when they clearly beat Vargas and Taylor. You'll find very few who claim they didn't win. And they're only saying they didn't win due to being biased. But they know they did win. And clearly.
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@Wheca They have many ATG wins. But if you don't know what an ATG is, how would you know? Tell me what qualifies as an ATG?
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@Wheca An ATG is someone who fought names, hey? Right, you can answer the question you keep deflecting away from and avoiding. Which names did Arce and Azteca beat? List all of them? Now watch you bounce to another point to deflect and come out with mindless nonsense.
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@Wheca Are you searching for wins over names for those two bums you put? LOL. Good luck. You're going to need it.
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@Wheca Wait, you think fighting and losing to Gonzales, Donaire and Darchinyan makes Arce an ATG? What??? LOL. Please make this make sense. ATG's are actually supposed to win fights to prove they're great. Anyone can lose in a fight. Losing to every world class fighter he fought doesn't make him great. Tracy Cox? Kenny Lasalle? You don't even know who they are. You just looked for opponents that had many fights. LOL. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Cox was shot when Azteca beat him. He beat him in his last 2 years in the sport. The second time was in fact his very last fight. But thanks for the laughs. You think this proves Azteca and Arce are ATG's? Are you still sticking to that? LOL.
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@Wheca I'm not dodging anything. You do have to justify and explain what you're saying. But you can't and won't. You said, and i quote " An all time great boxer is someone who fought names, won belts in different weight classes" Now, who are the names Cox and Lasalle fought and what world titles in different weights did they win? What world title in any weight class did they win? Show me where Arce is an inductee in the IBHOF? He isn't. You won't find him there.
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@Wheca No, what you mean is, you can't and won't explain yourself because what you're saying is insane. You want to move on quickly without justifying anything so come out with a load of pointless questions to deflect. When you make a claim, you're supposed to justify it in a rational manner with factual information. You haven't done any of this. You said a fighter is a bum if they don't beat names or win titles in different weight classes. Well, neither Cox or Lasalle won a world title or beat names. So, they must be bums then. That's what you said. But all of a sudden, they're not bums, they're world class and ATG's are they? Hypocrisy knows no bounds with you. Same thing with contradictions. Justify your claims, then we'll move on to another topic in which i'll win just like i did with every other topic. But you have to justify these claims first. That's how it works in the real world.
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@Wheca What am i dodging? Spell it out? Tell me what questions i didn't explain in full?
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@Wheca I asked you which of your questions i supposedly didn't answer in full and explain myself in great detail? You mean the questions you kept on replying with to actually deflect away from you answering and justifying my questions?
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@Wheca You haven't justified a single one of your claims. Over a hundred replies now, and that isn't even including over 200 last time, where you still didn't justify a single claim. If you had Vasquez winning by a point as you had the same score card as Bellew other than the 12th round, where are you justifying Vasquez winning the second round? A round Cordina clearly won, thus making Cordina the actual winner? I asked you to justify Arce and Azteca being ATG's like you claimed. You haven't come close to doing so. I asked for their world class wins. You then changed the actual goal posts by claiming fighting world class opposition proved you were an ATG, even though Arce was knocked out by them. Azteca didn't beat any world class opposition either. You also said you had to win world titles in different weight classes, Azteca didn't even fight for the title let alone win it, as he was nothing but a domestic level fighter. The two opponents of his you gave, also didn't fight for the title as they weren't top fighters. They didn't even fight the best of that era. You only need to check their resumes to see that fact. If Arce didn't beat any world class opposition, that renders his 3 titles at different weights meaningless. What world was he a champion of? Bum world? To be an ATG you actually have to fight and beat world class opponents who are prime, or near prime. Where are they? Explain yourself.
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@Wheca As for your repeating of Phil Bloom supposedly never facing anyone of worth, he fought 7 inductees into the IBHOF and fought them a combined 17 times. You clearly lack any knowledge to speak of.
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@Wheca If you can't explain what qualifies an ATG, why would we put 5 names each? You'll just do what you did last time and put any Mexican you can find up and claim them as an ATG. That's why that question you deflected with makes no sense. You either justify your claims and stop deflecting, or you forfeit this discussion and lose again. Your choices are, accept Arce is a bum and has no world class wins, thus meaning he isn't an ATG like you claimed. Or you give me all his world class wins and justify every one of them. Do you understand? I have no problem in proving we've beaten you more times in world title fights than you have over us. But first, you're going to have to justify the claims you've made here and not deflect for over 300 replies the way you have done. It's entirely up to you.
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@Wheca Do you even know how to read? I said 7 inductees in which he fought them a combined 17 times. Those names are as follows: Ted "Kid" Lewis, Benny Leonard, Rocky Kansas, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Freddie Welsh and George "KO" Chaney.
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@Wheca You're an ATG if you fight 3 world class fighters but get KO'd by all 3 of them? So you're saying that if you yourself fought 10 world class fighters and were to be KO'd by all 10 of them, you'd be an ATG? LOL. And you think this makes any sense? No, you are not an ATG just because you were KO'd by a few world class fighters. You do not qualify as one. Last chance. You either justify Arce being an ATG by giving me enough wins over world class opponents or you accept he was nothing but a bum. Which he in fact was. Deflect one more time and i accept your loss again. It's clear you're out of your depth and want this to end. Deflect again and this all ends for you.
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@Wheca Jorge Arce is not an IBHOF inductee. He may be inducted into some tin pot hall from around the world, but it isn't Canastota and the real International Boxing Hall of Fame. There are a few Hall's around the world like the Australian one, the Nevada one or the Atlantic City one. But they are not being inducted as ATG's. They are no such thing. These Halls don't matter. The only one that matters is the International Boxing Hall of Fame. He is not an inductee. Do you even know what hall of fame he's supposedly an inductee of? Where are you getting this information from?
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@Wheca I've just checked, it's the Nevada Hall of Fame. LOL. He's in there with some of the greatest the world of boxing has ever seen like Clarence "Bones" Adams, Lamon Brewster, Leroy Haley, Don Minor, Richie Sandovol, Freddie Little etc etc. With illustrious names such as these, how could he not be an "ATG" just like these legends. LOL. Seriously, that place started in 2013 and is about as worthless as it comes. If these names don't tell you how low level the place is, nothing will. As i say, Jorge Arce is not an ATG nor an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. You know, the actual real Hall in Canastota? He wasn't good enough. He lost every time he fought world class opposition. Don't tell me, the other bum Kid Azteca is in another one of these great halls? If not, how is he an ATG to you?
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@Wheca You haven't given any satisfactory answer to any of the 3 questions i keep asking you. It's just been over 300 replies of mindless nonsense. You even said that YOU didn't say Arce was an ATG, but the hall did. Which means, you don't even know any of the names Arce beat do you? You can't actually confirm or deny if he is or not. You're supposed to have the ability to know about the subject matter. But it's clear you're clueless on everything. Explain how Kid Azteca is an ATG? If you refuse and deflect again, you lose by forfeiting. Do you understand? Either that or admit he was a bum who did nothing in his career. Then i'll happily give 5 world title wins over your lot and you can send me 5. We'll do that until the other runs out. But answer the Aztec question first.
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@Wheca It's clear you want out. I gave you the chance but again you deflected without justifying any of your claims. I accept you quitting again as you can't give anything other than repeating the same nonsense over and over again like last time. You lose. You've embarrassed yourself enough for me to be satisfied anyway. For the record, i could answer every question you put forward. But all you do is ask questions to deflect every time i ask you for an answer and justification for your ridiculous claims. But if you don't answer to your claims, i'm not playing this silly game for over 4/500 replies without you so much as answering to one single claim. That would be insane.
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@Lameahhboi9393 I have no idea what comment/Comments of mine this relates too. But i'll happily set the record straight on your comments. 1) Freddie Roach is a 5 times trainer of the year award winner. Therefore, you're wrong. But that's not all. Your trainer of the year has had his stable fail tests unlike others. Once caught, they all started to lose. 2) Who cares about title wins? It's about the quality of the opposition you've beaten. Chavez isn't in the top 50 all time. 3) Only two countries in history have produced a champion in all 17 weight classes. They are the UK and the USA. Mexico hasn't. Andy Ruiz is American born and raised. Not Mexican. If it comes down to ethnicity, then you lose all of those from the US and Mexico who are of Spanish/European descent. Very few in your history are mostly or fully native. Therefore, you're wrong again. 4) Name all those champions who legitimately won their fights to defend their title without any bad decisions? I think you'll fine nearly all fail in this regard. 5) We can't sell? Would this be the nation who have sold out stadiums and 20,000 seater arena's regularly? Outside of Canelo, who sells big in Mexico? 6) Canelo is the face of boxing in North America. Outside in the wider world, no one really cares nor knows who he is. He doesn't have the international fame like a Fury, Usyk, Joshua etc etc... 7) No, you're the one who needs to sit down. Clearly.
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@Lameahhboi9393 How can you run boxing when all of your champions are only due to dodgy decisions? Name all that are legit and not through ill gotten means? How many wins of merit can you name that didn't have an inactive opponent, a shot opponent, an opponent coming from a loss, or other methods to gain an advantage? Name all those champions that Canelo beat that weren't shot, drained, too small, inactive, robbery, or wasn't allowed a full training camp? Simple question that i've already asked you only to get nothing back. Usyk, Joshua and Fury have fought all over the world and sold out arena's. Canelo hasn't. They are PPV around the world. Canelo isn't. They're superior fighters than Canelo. They don't duck opponents until they're done or inflict a mass of conditions on them before they'll face them. Tank is fraudulent as he's ducked everyone for years and does what Canelo does by making sure his opponents are at their weakest before he'll face them. Crawford is good, but he doesn't go beyond that. His resume isn't strong enough. Plus Spence was far too inactive when they fought. Spence looked shot for a reason. That kind of inactivity will do that to you. It's why your lot seek it out all the time.
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@Lameahhboi9393 I see you accept you were wrong on the trainer of the year award. Wrong on Chavez being anywhere near to the best ever. Wrong on Mexico being the only nation in history to have had a champion in every weight class. That would be the UK and the USA. Not Mexico. Nor have you disputed the fact that Reynoso's entire stable failed a load of tests where their performances dropped quite alarmingly afterwards. You also didn't tell me which Mexicans outside of Canelo sold in big numbers? Could you tell me now please?
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@Lameahhboi9393 Why are you not answering the questions? I've made them very clear. Which of your champions are legitimate through actually winning their fights? Which world class fighters did Canelo beat that didn't have any conditions attached? Which world class wins for your lot had no conditions attached? You're just deflecting and nothing more. Which ATG's popped like Eric Morales did? You said Reynoso was the most accomplished trainer. I corrected you. Who cares where Freddie is from? Is Freddie Roach not a trainer in the world of boxing? Yes, he is. Therefore, you're wrong. Your fallacy won't change that fact.
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@Ab-rt2vw Literally, they did. Many Mexicans said this. It's as laughable now as it was when they first started saying it.
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@mmastiff734 The judges in the UK are mostly international. But which fights can you name that had bad judging? In the US, it's constant. You won't get a card without at least 1.
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Why, Taylor is Scottish, not Irish.
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@intermodus2180 Ah, the film? I get what you mean now.
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@eugdee7293 It does include it in the team name. But it's a bit of a long one to have on their kit.
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@eugdee7293 Team GB sounds much better than team UK. Don't you agree? Wait, it isn't inclusive, but they go by the name of team GB? Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. So you've just contradicted yourself there. What do you mean, if they could, they'd have England on their kit? So no matter what they have, you'll still have the same contradictory opinion? That's a you issue at play here. Nothing else.
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@jasonmcgrath362 No stopping them doing what? Being correct while people make comments that are factually incorrect?
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@Afiajustifiee But he is in fact English born and British. Full stop. Whoever he represents, the facts don't change.
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@eugdee7293 Well, you said they'd really like to have just England on their kit. But they don't, do they? They never have. It's always been team GB. So please tell me how that isn't inclusive?
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@eugdee7293 You've moved onto something else now to try and justify us not being inclusive. You're clutching at more than straws here. All this because you don't like facts. Then when you add in the fact that the Irish are forever trying to claim British celebrities as Irish out of desperation but then accusing us of doing so with projections and gaslighting. We don't need to claim Irish celebrities. We're not insecure.
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@stiofanmcareavey5300 What did they say that was ignorant? Learn the definition of irony. You'll be let in on the joke.
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@davidmoriarty2820 When did England deny him the chance to swim for them?
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@gomey70 The Irish care. They're forever trying to claim British celebs because they claim their blood is Irish so they're Irish. Forget they were born and raised in England. It's the hypocrisy and irony at play i have a problem with. Not the fact he won the Gold for Ireland.
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@Haerinx87 His Father is Irish now? I asked for the source to prove this with another person who made the comment of his Mother being Irish. Guess what, they haven't got back to me. You'll not get back to me either after i ask you to prove his Father being Irish by giving me a source to confirm this?
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@prophetsnake Why, when are they leaving? Do you need a hand with any boxes or anything? Just let me know.
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@paulmurray6663 How would it tarnish his Gold medal? It wasn't done through cheating or anything. Just pointing out the fact he's English after all the Irish came on here with their comments after claiming something was said on the video when it actually wasn't. It's why i'm here. I was expecting it. It didn't let me down.
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@prophetsnake Yeah, sure. What? I asked when they were leaving after you said "Soon to be former Northern Ireland". Why would we be "Riding into oblivion" if Northern Ireland left the UK?
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@Haerinx87 They're both English actually. Both born and raised in Leeds, England. If it's easy to verify that his parents are Irish, why don't you tell me where i can find this information? And i do mean with the information actually there as proof. Don't give me a site and ask me to look for it. Actually tell me where that information is.
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@Haerinx87 You're deflecting now by turning the question on me? I thought it was easy to verify. It doesn't look easy for you from where i'm sitting. Even the surname of Wiffen is a huge giveaway. Why, do you think it's an Irish surname or something? No information online exist that they are Irish. Plenty does for them actually being English. The reason to why no information exists, is because it simply isn't true. Lying about it won't help you. But it's to be expected.
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@prophetsnake Still can't tell me why it would be a sleigh ride to oblivion? Didn't think so.
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@Haerinx87 Still can't give me the source of this oh so very easy to find information of his parents being Irish? LOL.
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@prophetsnake What you mean is, your inferiority complex has you wishing that was the case. We'd save a hell of a lot of money if Northern Ireland left. You wouldn't. It would cost you a pretty penny. But i guess i better start wishing bad on those who invaded us in the past and what not. Just joking. I'm not that sad. You enjoy yourself though. Maybe one day you'll learn.
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@prophetsnake It looks like you don't know either. LOL. I would have thought me knowing about going to oblivion would make you happy? Make up your mind will ya. So it's a secret until the day comes? I look forward to it. Some people, hey...
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@prophetsnake I wasn't trying anything. Just pointing out that your fantasy is just that. A fantasy. Oh i get it, alright. You can't miss it on here. I've been studying the Irish and their comments for years. I know you better than you know yourselves. Deeply unpleasant is putting it mildly. You'll laugh at a reason you can't explain? Oh, right.
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@prophetsnake Oh by the way. Enjoy another Gold medal achieved by another Brit. You should get more of us. You'll actually win something then.
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@prophetsnake Snort? It all makes sense now. LOL. You want to take it easy, kid. I think i'll definitely be able to remember you the day you can't explain considering i'll supposedly be able to hear you laughing when this supposedly happens. Or have you forgotten already? I need an imagination now because you can't answer a simple question? We'll be much better off without Northern Ireland. You wouldn't. They're the facts. But you seem to have the imagination to think it will be different. You just can't give any explanation as to why.
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@prophetsnake Yeah, asking questions to a comment is straight forward. It's not trying anything. But as you say, nice try.
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@prophetsnake My reading's fine. Your spelling on the other hand... But go on, humour me. Point out where you think i failed to read properly? Or is this another case of "Nice try"? LOL.
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@prophetsnake I asked you to point out to me where i supposedly can't read. All you've done is write another badly spelled comment saying the same exact thing as before. Do YOU not know how to read so you can't answer properly? It looks like it to me.
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@prophetsnake What isn't so? This is like the worst quiz show on earth. I have to guess what you're getting at because you simply can't be straight forward.
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Yeah, Ramirez getting smacked up.
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In the stand-up? Not a chance. You'd see O'Malley and Topuria fall pretty quickly if they fought this level of stand-up. They only look the way they do due to their opponents being woeful on their feet. In order to reach this level in which Haggerty is on, you have to be great in the stand-up. Most UFC fighters are just basic brawlers. They have no real skill. Sorry.
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@Kenny-li4hs I'm talking about all combat sports. Not just MMA. I think you need to look at the contenders in the UFC again. I think you'll find we have more. However, boxing is the biggest sport in combat so the talent goes there. More money too.
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@gofigure_1 England has just under double the per capita than Australia. But we have more than double the champions than you do in boxing? Australia only have 1 champion at the moment.
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@trawsoza2926 The Mexicans and Latino's are nowhere near to being the best in boxing. They're actually at the very bottom. I'm happy to prove my point using facts.
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@trawsoza2926 Facts by their nature cannot be delusional. That is in fact ironic what you've just said. It isn't a good sign when both your comments fail to stand under scrutiny. Look at all their opponents and tell me what you see? You'll see them intentionally going after inactive fighters (Who take on the form of a shot fighter under these conditions) shot fighters, weight drained opponents which is intentionally inflicted otherwise they won't fight you, and fighters coming from losses. That isn't even mentioning the extreme amount of robberies that go on. They also wait fighters out to age them and come in overweight on the scales intentionally to gain an advantage. If not, give me their best victories in boxing with present day fighters? I'll happily point out what the problem is and how consistent it is.
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@trawsoza2926 Through the lack of legitimate victories you've provided, i think that proves my point quite nicely. They're at the bottom. Not the top. Facts overcome feelings and opinions.
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@darnellbiggumsthe9th658 Do you ever think Irish people will be able to talk about anything without talking about what happened 100's of years ago? It seems you can't. That's the only identity i see of you lot. A victim one.
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@serendipitouscomet Please stop attempting to score fights when someone you support is fighting. The bias is atrocious. George was dominated and outclassed. And yes, George has a lot of blame as he justified the grotesque robbery by saying he won nearly all the rounds with Maxi only winning a couple. It's over for George. Not only for not being good enough, but through his clear delusion as well.
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@transformyalifestyle1349 George definitely won as seen through the highlights? Hahahahaha. You can't score a fight through highlights. Especially ones that come from a corrupted promotional platform that showed all of George's best bits (They were very thin on the ground) and pretty much none of Maxi's. Some people were just not made for the 21st century. They still exist in the dark ages intellectually.
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Yes. Just like there are English and Welsh in there. Which makes them... British.
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@gorillamafia5144 Just because Fury did so, doesn't mean everyone could. Getting used to a new environment isn't easy. With Fury being a Westerner and actually knowing many in the Cronk throughout the years helped greatly. Ramirez is a foreigner to all of this. He doesn't even speak English either. Cubans can get very lazy when they reach the West and lose the focus they had in the amateurs. Ramirez losing his first fight was a wakeup call that he answered. He's even beat the guy who beat him. He now knows what he has to do to succeed.
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@gorillamafia5144 Is that all you have to say? I articulated perfectly why it's different to someone like Fury. And yes, Cubans are very well known for slacking off after reaching the West. How long have you been around boxing? It's a common theme. To go from poverty to being able to eat and doing all the other things you couldn't at home takes their focus in other directions. It happens to Western fighters too. But could you imagine what it's like being in their position?
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round. If you think differently, please give said round in which Spence won? Then i want you to find the score cards and the judges who were working that night. Only one of the judges were British. That doesn't happen in the US. They're all American over there with the ref included. Brook was coming off a stoppage loss, a broken eye socket, and draining himself down to a weight class he was struggling in before he moved to Middleweight. Coming back down was hard for him and left him weak. The fact Spence struggled whilst being active, in his prime and having momentum, scores against him. Had it been the version of Brook before fighting Golovkin, he would have clearly beaten Spence. Your version of events of Spence "Taking Brook apart" is in your imagination only. As for dodgy decisions, you have them every time there's an event on. In fact, it's so extreme, you need to be investigated. Would you like me to list some of them? You can do likewise if you think the UK comes anywhere near to what happens over there. But you'll find yourself scratching your head trying to come up with fights so you'll just name any close fight you can. I won't need to do that. I'll give you actual gifts. But don't worry, i don't think i'll be hearing from you again. And if i do, it will only be to deflect.
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round. If you think differently, please give said round in which Spence won? Then i want you to find the score cards and the judges who were working that night. Only one of the judges were British. That doesn't happen in the US. They're all American over there with the ref included. Brook was coming off a stoppage loss, a broken eye socket, and draining himself down to a weight class he was struggling in before he moved to Middleweight. Coming back down was hard for him and left him weak. The fact Spence struggled whilst being active, in his prime and having momentum, scores against him. Had it been the version of Brook before fighting Golovkin, he would have clearly beaten Spence. Your version of events of Spence "Taking Brook apart" is in your imagination only. As for dodgy decisions, you have them every time there's an event on. In fact, it's so bad, you need to be investigated. Would you like me to list some of them? You can do likewise if you think the UK comes anywhere near to what happens over there. But you'll find yourself struggling to come up with fights so you'll just name any close fight you can. I won't need to do that. I'll give you actual gifts. But don't worry, i don't think i'll be hearing from you again. And if i do, it will only be to deflect.
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round. If you think differently, please give said round in which Spence won? Then i want you to find the score cards and the judges who were working that night. Only one of the judges were British. That doesn't happen in the US. They're all American over there with the ref included. Brook was coming off a stoppage loss, a broken eye socket, and draining himself down to a weight class he was struggling in before he moved to Middleweight. Coming back down was hard for him and left him weak. The fact Spence struggled whilst being active, in his prime and having momentum, scores against him. Had it been the version of Brook before fighting Golovkin, he would have clearly beaten Spence. Your version of events of Spence "Taking Brook apart" is in your imagination only. As for bad decisions, you have them every time there's an event on. In fact, it's so bad, there should be an investigation. Would you like me to list some of them? You can do likewise if you think the UK comes anywhere near to what happens over there. But you'll find yourself struggling to come up with fights so you'll just name any close fight you can. I won't need to do that. I'll give you actual gifts. But don't worry, i don't think i'll be hearing from you again. And if i do, it will only be to deflect.
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round. If you think differently, please give said round in which Spence won? Then i want you to find the score cards and the judges who were working that night. Only one of the judges were British. That doesn't happen over your way. They're all American over there with the ref included. Brook was coming off a stoppage loss, a broken eye socket, and draining himself down to a weight class he was struggling in before he moved to Middleweight. Coming back down was hard for him and left him weak. The fact Spence struggled whilst being active, in his prime and having momentum, scores against him. Had it been the version of Brook before fighting Golovkin, he would have clearly beaten Spence. Your version of events of Spence "Taking Brook apart" did not take place in reality. As for bad decisions, you have them every time there's an event on. In fact, it's so bad, there should be an investigation. Would you like me to list some of them? You can do likewise if you think the UK comes anywhere near to what happens over there. But you'll find yourself struggling to come up with fights so you'll just name any close fight you can. I won't need to do that. I'll give you actual gifts.
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round. If you think differently, please give said round in which Spence won? Then i want you to find the score cards and the judges who were working that night. Only one of the judges were British. That doesn't happen over your way. They're all American over there with the ref included. Brook was coming off a stoppage loss, a broken eye socket, and draining himself down to a weight class he was struggling in before he moved to Middleweight. Coming back down was hard for him and left him weak. The fact Spence struggled whilst being active, in his prime and having momentum, scores against him. Had it been the version of Brook before fighting Golovkin, he would have clearly beaten Spence. Your version of events of Spence "Taking Brook apart" did not take place in reality. As for decisions over here compared to over there. Would you like to put that to the test and see how many each of us can come up with?
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@richardcollins2622 Although the rounds were competitive, Spence didn't win a single round on my card in the first 6 rounds. I gave him a share of one round only. If you think differently, please give said round Spence won? Then we'll go over the rest of your comment.
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@richardcollins2622 You're not struggling to find a round Spence won in the first 6 are you chief?
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@richardcollins2622 Have you still not found those rounds? It's been 2 weeks. I didn't even have the chance to dissect any of your other comments. You did a runner instead. LOL.
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You weirdo's still keeping up with this propaganda after Wilder has been exposed in every way with his cowardice and delusions? Haha. Crazy. AJ would fight anyone. Wilder only fought Fury due to thinking he was shot. Wilder ducked everyone else like the backwards coward he factually is. Even Fury is on camera saying he wasn't ready for Dillian and AJ, but was willing to fight Wilder. It's because Wilder was, and is a fraud of the highest level.
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@mac9954 England have a history in drug cheating? No we don't. Care to give me some of this supposed history? Quite entitled when you claim you lost due to the opposition being on steroids. Forget the fact that England have an actual history in world rugby playing at the top level where Fiji most certainly don't. But yeah, we could only beat you by drug cheating.
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@John.Flower.Productions If Haggarty bypasses the hydration process for a fact, you'd be able to show me these facts. Where is the evidence? That's all you have to say about whether Haggarty is on PED's or not? "You have a complete lack of knowledge"? Wow. So profound in your reply. No, i'm asking you to point out the signs he's on them where others don't have them. You know like, physical signs? Break it down for me. You've not done that in any way shape or form. You've produced deflections and nothing more.
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@John.Flower.Productions Hello? You've gone awfully quiet. Is there a problem?
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@John.Flower.Productions You've gone really quiet when asked for the evidence to your comments? I think it's clear to how good Haggerty is considering your comments. You're threatened by him for good reason.
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@John.Flower.Productions Are you actually going to come back and finally answer the questions, or are you going to keep deflecting and making excuses? It's clear your comments on it not being your place don't stand. You wouldn't have said anything in the first place otherwise, would you? P.S Stop liking your own comments too.
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@John.Flower.Productions It's the same thing. It can't be true if you don't provide any evidence. If you didn't want to speak on any of this to "Protect" someone, you would never have said anything in the first place. It's nothing but a cop out due to slander. Nothing more. Just look for comments like yours and see who they are written by. It's bitterness.
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@John.Flower.Productions I know slander is spoken and liable is written. I've already acknowledged that and told you they're basically the same thing. But you clearly want to feel you're making a point due to looking nothing but foolish up to now. Why would you speak on something that's supposed to be in confidence in the first place when you clearly can't justify your claims? Aren't you already risking someone's job by putting this out there? It doesn't take much to trace your account and see who you're involved with. You do know that can happen with slander like this?
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@fxcanman4664 What has this got to do with anything i said on this thread? Absolutely nothing. Haggerty moved up because he was struggling to make the weight. He isn't moving up again. He'll just dust himself down and get back on the horse. You know, like any fighter does when they lose.
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@fxcanman4664 I'm sorry. What are you talking about? Check the dates of my last comment before replying to you. It was 6 months ago. The discussion had nothing to do with whether Haggerty lost to Rodtang twice or not. What do you mean you can show me evidence? Are you under the impression i don't know the results of the fights or something? LOL. What? Of course i know the results.
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@fxcanman4664 I'm a fanboy for explaining that my last comment was 6 months ago and the discussion wasn't about who Haggerty lost to? I have absolutely no idea what you're going on about. You're talking about a completely different subject to what i was discussing. LOL. Go to bed. Get some sleep. It's clear you need it.
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@fxcanman4664 Logical thought isn't something you're used to. it's clear to see. Nothing flew over my head. What you said made no sense as to what i was saying. If i asked you to point out exactly where i was upset over Haggerty's loss, you wouldn't be able to come close to doing so. It's because, there is nothing there of the sort. Try and get more sleep. See if that works.
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You don't even need to be world class to beat these Mexican tomato cans. All you need to be is active and without them putting any conditions on you. If it's a fair fight, they lose big. It's happening across the board. If a threat exists, they'll duck until they're compromised in some way. Otherwise, they'll just leave it alone and fight a handpicked outsider. Then you've got all the gift decisions to contend with. And most of their "Wins" are gifts. Just how many wins can anyone name without any conditions or gifts being attached to it? Give it a go and you'll be shocked at how widespread it is.
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@jaydinero2503 Football is the number 1 sport in Mexico. Boxing is second.
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They all wrote songs when Stevie and Buckingham joined. And when did they primarily front Fleetwood? That's news to me.
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@svensvensson2724 They neither headed or dominated the band. How did you come up with that?
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@svensvensson2724 Such as?
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@svensvensson2724 Such as? You have to give more than that. Back it up.
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Canelo doesn't have a single traditional KO against a world class fighter his size who was at, or near their best when he took them on. That says an awful lot. Also, Canelo only gave Callum 3 weeks preparation when he had been training for months for Callum. But when you look at Canelo's fights, you see a consistency in him making sure his opponents are at their worst before taking them on. Yet he still needs robberies when his opponent beats him IE Golovkin.
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@NoName-fo9ty So Whittaker was beaten up and knocked out by someone who was knocked out by a journeyman and was a bum? And knocked out by nothing punches. Izzy wasn't even balanced when knocking him down or out. He was leaning back and hit him with short punches. You're not exactly covering Robert in glory are you?
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@NoName-fo9ty I was just pointing out that your comment was supposed to defend Whittaker, but ended up looking stupid when you break it down. I wasn't defending Izzy though. You were actually defending Robert. So if anyone here wants to be covered in anything as seems to be your fantasy with your projections, it's you.
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@NoName-fo9ty I wasn't the one to lash out either. It was you. Or have you forgotten already? Man, you must really love you some Robert Whittaker.
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Where in the fight did the ref let him recover?
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Haggerty is the biggest star in One. Haha. Just look at his accomplishments. It's easy to see why.
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England weren't led by an Irishman when winning 2 of those world cups. But for the record, it was spoken about quite often that he was Irish. But they obviously weren't going to say Ireland won the world cup were they as it was a whole team playing for England. Daniel was an individual.
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@DiegoLynch-v1o They said Rory was from Northern Ireland like they did on this video for Daniel? Disgusting. Just imagine saying where an athlete is from.
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When did the Englishman become Irish? That's a new one.
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Rolling around on the ground does not equal a "Badass fighter" In fact, quite the opposite. To be badass, you need to be a proper fighter which is found in the stand-up. Rolling around on the ground is for those who can't fight properly so find other ways to compete.
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These are the very best fighters in Muay Thai. What are you talking about? Cans????? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's not an opinion that UFC fighters are levels above. It's fact? Care to provide your facts for me? The eyes don't lie. Most in the UFC have no real technical skill level in any area. They're basically street fighters when it comes to the stand-up. With these guys though, you haver to be the very best to become champion as the top 40-50 can all stand with a high level of skill. You don't see that happening in the UFC. It's a limited pool of fighters who have that kind of technical ability.
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@easylabeler Yeah, the Irish are always being killed due to being Irish. All i see is Irish being killed. All day everyday. (Sarcasm by the way) Speak to someone about your victimhood. It looks very unhealthy from where i'm sitting.
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@HatersHaveOpinion1 No, he didn't. He won. Haney got a gift decision like so many do when fighting in the US. I see you couldn't dispute Tank ducking and cherry picking his fights non stop. A fraud could never run any sport. Regardless of your desperation.
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Japanese fighters don't go after inactive opponents or weaken them before taking them on like Mexicans do. Japanese fighters do it properly with honour. Unlike Mexicans. That's why the Japanese fighters are real and legitimate. Unlike Mexicans. Japan is a real fighting nation. Unlike Mexico.
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Navarrete wouldn't have been dominated by Conceicao if he was the superior fighter.
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@matt-74e Who did he beat to get these titles in 3 divisions? His resume is beyond poor. Something is seriously wrong if you have that many world title fights but they're nearly all cans.
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@matt-74e Canceircao has very little power, and yet, Navarrete was cautious and didn't want to engage much. That tells you everything.
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@deisysanchez1641 Wow! Those belt rankings do not in any way reflect the best in those divisions. Outside of Dogboe and Valdez, none of them were world class. Therefore, nearly all of them were scrubs. Not only that, but it's the WBO. An organisation that Arum (Naverrete's promoter) has close ties with and has on many occasions manipulated the rankings to benefit his own fighters against fighters from other promoters. If any threats in those divisions exist from another promoter, Arum will keep them low in the rankings to make sure they can't get their hands on said title. It's up there with the way Don King operated with the WBC. The corruption is well known in boxing circles and has been going on for many years. But if you think they were world class, give me their name and tell me what they did to prove themselves world class? Then you have the corruption at TopRank were you can lose a fight clearly like here with Conceicao, but get a gift draw or win. This not long after the long count from the ref to protect Navarrete after being dropped by Liam Wilson.
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Yeah, he didn't come close to winning. Just accept Americans are bums and move on.
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@10OZDuster Naz was a completely different fighter here to the one who Barrera fought. That's why Barrera refused to fight him for years until he saw he wasn't the same. You only need to watch Naz's style from the start and see how it changes later on in his career. I guess Junior Jones and Pacquiao showed everyone that Barrera was nothing. By the way, you can't be great and nothing at the same time like you imply. That actually makes no sense.
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She clearly lost. Nina won that handily.
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@LucieOne There is a criteria for scoring fights. Nina won in every area of scoring.
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@catherinethegreat3912 Care to give the reason as to why you're racist and hate the English? Then break down why the world hates us. Thanks.
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@catherinethegreat3912 You do not like English people because you consider them "Arrogant" without even backing yourself up? That's racist and arrogant because it isn't true. You're demonising innocent people through your own ignorance. How you can have the audacity to claim South Africans or the world don't like the English when your country is number 11 in the world for murder rates and where racism is rife. And that's not even including all the other crimes that happen on mass. To think yourself better is disgusting. How dare you. The irony of your words reveals all I need to know about the kind of person you are. The English have been demonised by scum from Ireland, Wales and Scotland for many years now. They give us as many negative characteristics as they can to justify their excessive hate. hate that stems from hundreds of years ago. Crimes their countrymen where guilty of as well as the rest of the world. But no, they just single us out like the disgusting hypocrites and vile creatures they are. And you're doing the same. Since England beat New Zealand, I've read all over social media and comments on YT how we had booked ourselves the runners up prize and how they're going to win. Some have even called it ignorant to think England could win. Even the reasons for why South Africa are going to win make no sense and are irrational. Look at some of the comments on this very comment section. Show me where the English are arrogant? Separate us from yourselves and others in the world? Where are we different? Try and back yourself up with evidence. Then i'll come back and prove once again how arrogant and racist you truly are. Just like I did here.
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The full fight shows Granados running and losing big. You don't know anything about truth. Clearly. Why is Benn juicing? He's not American or Mexican you know.
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He isn't trying to sound like AJ. Haggerty is from London. He has a London accent.
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Roids and Peds are the same thing. LOL. Is that what Pacquiao was on when he was winning?
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@ Are you saying there isn't a load of Scots who watch in the hope England lose? They don't spew if they lose? You're saying you haven't seen the mass of them all over the internet? Are you also saying there isn't an obsession with us in all walks of life? Denying these wide spread facts is nothing but gaslighting. It's your comment that can't be serious. But then again, i know all the traits so this isn't surprising with the response. It's expected.
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@ Wait, are all these people you supposedly know supposed to tell you they don't watch in the hope they lose? Why would they do that? Have you asked them? And if so, why would you ask that question.
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@ Can't you answer the question? If laughing at Scotland losing was a thing, no one would have time to do anything but laugh. As for a good game. No, it wasn't. It was one sided in favour of Greece. Scotland were poor. Not many people laugh at Scotland because they are irrelevant in world football. It would be a waste of time.
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@ So you can't answer the question so you've decided to deflect instead. Whilst using emoji's??? LOL. People made comments. I asked them questions they couldn't answer. It's that simple. But don't worry, i know what kind of person you are already. You've made that very clear.
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@ And you need to think longer about justifying your comments without deflecting, amigo. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have made any comments to begin with. But now you're being asked to justify something, all of a sudden you want to come out with the old "You need a hobby" shtick. LOL. Take it easy, yeah.
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@ModernistGaming85 Wait, you're back? Even after deflecting all the time? But it gets better. You're off to your pool? LOL. That's champion that. No, seriously. Thanks for that one. What's the question? You couldn't read an already posted comment for it? Yeah, i'll give you it. Are all these people you supposedly know supposed to tell you they don't watch in the hope they lose? Why would they do that? Have you asked them? And if so, why would you ask that question. There you go... LOL.
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@ You're the one who replied back to me. You even asked what the question was again after deflecting. I gave you the question again only for you to deflect some more. It's clear you can't justify your comment. It's just deflections and ad hominem's. It has nothing to do with being a neighbour. It has everything to do with being xenophobic. That's why you won't see those kind of things in those countries but will with Scotland.
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@ModernistGaming85 The fact you keep on replying without justifying your comment speaks volumes. But try again, yeah. What are you going to reply with next. What is the question again? LOL. Towards who?? LOL. It's been made obvious towards whom. But you keep feigning ignorance.
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@ModernistGaming85 Again you reply without justifying your comment. Sorry, but this doesn't mean Scotland isn't xenophobic towards the English. Spain has people living there and playing in their teams. But it doesn't stop them from being widely racist does it. Maybe go out for a fly in your helicopter to clear your head so as to come back with an actual logical response to the question. Or maybe not. LOL.
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No, she's factually born and raised in England. Her parents are Albanian.
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@olliefoxx7165 Naz was already the best at the weight and unified champion by the time he went to the US. He beat every champion out there of all 4 organisations. What were these belts that count if not all 4 of the world titles? Naz had 17 world title fights and won 16 of them. 15 were defences. Tell me how many fighters in history at any weight that had more defences? Barrera ducked Naz for years and waited until he wasn't at his best any more. The fight should have taken place 4 years earlier. You only need watch Naz from start to finish to see his abilities corrode.
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@gmshadowtraders They're there to laugh at and school. They're clueless and have no idea about that they're talking about.
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The fact you celebrate these victories like they're something to shout about is beyond laughable. Kirkland was not only shot, he was out of the ring for 18 months before the fight. Khan was a Welterweight. Canelo had Middleweights there ready to fight, but he goes for a welter??? The punch Canelo broke Saunders eye socket with was an uppercut. The corner of the glove went straight into the eye to make the impact much more devastating. Had the full glove hit him, Billy's eye wouldn't have taken the full impact, so he would have been alright. Callum only had 3 weeks to prepare in a pandemic environment without any proper sparring. Canelo had been training for months with his full camp of sparring partners. But not only that, Canelo only wanted both Callum and Billy after they looked like shit in previous fights. beforehand, Canelo said he had zero interest in taking them on. Rocky had a rehydration clause put on him to make sure he was weak when he entered the ring. Canelo has done this to numerous opponents to ensure victory for himself. And Rocky isn't even close to being world class. Liam is nothing but a decent fringe level fighter. Sorry, But Canelo is a fraud. The conditions he puts on his opponents all the time is never done by real fighters. Just cheating cowards who have no honour or integrity. I'm actually embarrassed for him and his deranged fanatical followers who clearly are delusional and without shame.
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I did ask the French. They said the English just steam rolled them and took the title. They were left on the side of the road crying "We can't play rugby".
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@vey9821 Her went to a school in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK. He's English born. A complete contradiction to all those on your side who claim on "Blood" where it doesn't matter where you're born. What Irish sports did he play? So if you have an LA Raiders cap on, you're not only from LA, but you're part of the team? To your "Core"? LOL. Wiffen even trains in England. But you're welcome. Did you enjoy the second gifted Gold Harrington got? That's twice now where she's lost the final but walked away with the Gold medal. Not once have i seen anyone from your side have a problem with it. But you'll call robbery even when one of yours is beaten legitimately. But it's all hush hush when you benefit. Typical.
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@lollololololololololololo Guevara doesn't have any losses against Europeans. That's how much knowledge you lack here. 1 of those losses was in Mexico. 1 was against another Mexican. The other 2 were in Japan. But do please point out which of these fights were robberies? What was your score card? Moloney won this fight by 3 on my card. 7/4 with 1 even. Just because it's a split or a majority decision, it doesn't automatically mean there was a gift involved.
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@IHTLS Mayweather didn't get any gifts. He beat Maidana, Castillo and De La Hoya in close fights. You don;t get the decision just because you made it close. That isn't how it works. Tell me which of your fighters today that don't have any gifts? They all do. No one gets more gifts in world boxing. That is a fact. Then when you look at the condition your fighters seek out in their opponents, then it gets even worse.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Castillo didn't even win, let alone clearly. Mayweather won by 2 on my card and 4 in the rematch.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Yeah, on my card. Why, on whose card did Castillo win? It wasn't the judges, that's for sure. In order to call it a robbery, you must have your own card where you had Castillo winning. For the record, i'm white. I'm not American either. Nor am i particularly a fan of Floyd. I'm very aware that he spent most of his career cherry picking his opponents and ducked Pacquiao for years until he was past his best.
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@giorgiogrillo5053 Yes, my card. Why, how did you come to the conclusion of Castillo clearly winning when Mayweather got the decision? It would have to be your own score card.
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@infinitygens You probably won't see this but... What do you have in mind in the horror genre that wasn't up to scratch?
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@taunica51 The whole system with them is corrupt to their core. Always have been.
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@sisikelelwemadikani May I ask what madness you're speaking? What is this supposed to mean?
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@RM_2423 Would you now like me to list all the many ways to gain an advantage as well? It's even more extreme than the list i've already given you.
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@RM_2423 Every single fight i gave was a gift. But you haven't given me a list of gifts like you claimed you would. Just a few smaller opponents. Why is that? Did you say i hate your fighters after what you wrote to start with? You lack awareness or a sense of irony. Clearly. Canelo - Charlo (16 weeks inactive and 2 weight classes smaller) Fielding (Rehydration clause) Jacobs (Rehydration clause) Golovkin (Aged out and gift decisions) C Smith (Only given 3 weeks camp) Kovalev (Rehydration clause, shot, and not having enough time to rest between fights) Chavez (Shot and drained) Khan (2 weight classes smaller) Cotto (Smaller and finished) Kirkland (Shot and inactive) Angulo (Shot and coming straight from defeat) Lopez (Smaller) Mosley (Shot and smaller) Cintron (Shot and smaller) Gomez (Smaller) Rhodes (Shot) M Hatton (Smaller) Ndoe (Shot and smaller) Baldomir (Shot and smaller) As you can see, he's made a career out of it. But wait, all of yours do.
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@RM_2423 Lara vs Warrington (Warrington inactive 17 months) Lara vs Wood 1 (Wood inactive 1 year) Zurdo vs Goulamirian (Goulamirian inactive 16 months) Ramirez vs Taylor (Taylor 1 round of action in 19 months) Ramirez vs Postal (Postal inactive 16 months) Munguia vs Chenko (Chenko inactive 1 year) Munguia vs Johnson (Johnson inactive 15 months) This is all you see across the board. Could you list wins with merit that DON'T have any conditions on the fight? I see what you're doing. I know how you're doing it too.
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@MichaelHaywood-d5k Clearly you couldn't name more Hispanic ATG's than Caucasian ones. But thanks for the riveting and intelligent reply. It's oozing in irony.
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@RM_2423 Do you know the definition of cheating and cowardice? Have a guess.
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@RM_2423 Do you want to deflect and project now i've proven everything you said as wrong? You're the one who first made your comments so it's clear who lives in whose head. However, it clearly isn't free as it looks very taxing for you from where i'm sitting. Can't you name any credible wins for your guys without any conditions being on the fight? What does that tell you?
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@RM_2423 By the way, if you're going to make comments like this, it's best you don't continue with your comments just 7 hours ago with the same dishonest and bitter claims.
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@althepal8018 Not only Canelo. It's all of them. But i'm sure you wish you'd read my other comments before writing this as i gave a handful of the times it's happened. There's many more. But you get the picture. Could you list all the fighters you claim have been "Saved"? The others on this thread made the same comments only to come back with nothing. I'm sure you wouldn't do that. So, let's see them?
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@RM_2423 Oh look, you've come back to further embarrass yourself. Still not found any wins without conditions being attached? LOL.
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@RM_2423 The only thing you're winning in, is the delusional stakes. LOL. Thanks for the laughs though. Still can't find any wins of merit, hey? Yeah, it's that bad. But please come back with more embarrassing replies with nothing to offer.
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@alexmartinez-og8gu I have watched the whole Mayweather/Canelo fight. What do you think i am, a Mexican with watching highlights and claiming somebody won due to them? Mayweather did very little moving in that fight. Canelo did a lot more against Golovkin in the first fight. Anybody who watches them clearly sees this. As for being rigged. What was? Spell it out to me how it was. You're just making things up as you go.
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@althepal8018 I agree with every fight you've put other than Lubin and the Floyd fight. But as you can see, there isn't anywhere near as much as there is with Mexicans. Nowhere near.
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@RM_2423 I'm a kid living rent free in my own mind? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The only one showing they're a kid and immature here, is you. The delusion is just not allowing you to understand. If you did understand, you wouldn't be replying all the time nor would you have said the things you did only to embarrass yourself. You couldn't even be specific and explain how you're supposedly living rent free in my mind. How could you when you're the one making a fool out of themselves. But please continue. It's funny. I look forward to you coming back and still not being able to give me any wins without conditions being attached.
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@RM_2423 Tell me how you're in my head and winning? Simple question. Be specific?
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@alexmartinez-og8gu I asked you to tell me how the fight was rigged? Floyd mostly stood in front of Canelo. He wasn't doing laps around the ring. You just want that version of events because you can't bare losing all the time. It's your way of discrediting the winner. You see it all the time. Tell me who these big sellers are for your lot? They can't sell anything. It's a myth they can. But if you think otherwise, tell me each and every one of them and why they're a big seller?
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@RM_2423 Well, if replying means somebody is in your head, then i'm in your head aren't i with you replying back all the time. Maybe think before responding. It helps.
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@alexmartinez-og8gu What's wrong, can't you answer the questions? You made the comments. Now i'd like you to justify them. It seems you're having trouble with that though.
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@tguzman7408 Ramirez is only unified due to corruption. Postal should have those titles right now. And that was against a past his best 37 year old Postal.
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Frampton clearly didn't have to pay anything as he was far too good for Donaire. Maybe Donaire was paid to get dominated by Rigo too.
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@doomzdesire20 _ PBC fighters are nothing but hype jobs. Tell me who isn't? They also don't want to fight anyone. But when they do, it's against carefully handpicked fighters who are vulnerable. And even then, they still lose quite a lot and need the usual robbery to protect them.
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@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Did you just claim Tyson is technically the superior fighter? Hahahahahahahahaha. Man are you on some seriously strong drugs. If Lennox was a 10 in the boxing ability bracket, Tyson is a minus 10 in comparison. Tyson was a come forward pressure fighter and nothing else. Lennox could actually do it all. He most certainly didn't put himself square on all the time the way Tyson did. Tyson's actual ability to box is non existent. You clearly haven't got a clue in what you're watching. I've read some crazy stuff in regards to Tyson. But this is one of the craziest.
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@TheKing-tl8si Naz had 17 world title fights. You're right, facts down lie. Uneducated people do though. Naz was only dropped by 3 opponents in Kelley, Sanchez and Alicia. Again, you're factually wrong. Many fighters have been dropped more and knocked out, unlike Naz. Again, you're factually wrong. Naz didn't retire after the Barrera fight. He fought Manuel Calvo afterwards. Again, you're factually wrong. You didn't even write 3 whole sentences yet were wrong so many times. I'd stop talking on the subject of boxing if i were you.
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They got it wrong. He's actually English. He just moved to Northern Ireland.
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@warrenpaine With that kind of mentality, the whole world would hate each other. I'll leave that to those who haven't quite evolved properly. But also hilariously ironic considering Wiffen is English born.
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@warrenpaine I'm not disputing the fact he's on team Ireland. I'm just correcting all those complaining about him being described as Northern Irish and being born in England.
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@warrenpaine An Englishman doesn't all of a sudden become Irish because he moved there. That makes no sense. Would i become Japanese if i moved over there for some years? Learn what "Definition" means.
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@jgill551 I know the difference between nationality and ethnicity. I'm talking about being born elsewhere then going to Japan. You can be a national in a country after being there for so long. But they're still not truly from that country. By the way, Daniel has both Irish and British nationality. But nothing changes the fact he's English and born here.
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@Echoesofwhispers Read what the person said that i replied to.
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@laurencehutchinson8644 How has England colonised Northern Ireland?
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@laurencehutchinson8644 The Irish have never been unified as one country until the British empire came along. Before that, they were fighting each other in different tribes. It's clear you don't know anything about the history. Maybe do us all a favour and keep your ignorance out of it.
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@laurencehutchinson8644 Instead of a fallacy in reply, why don't you spell it out. Show me your supposed education. If you can.
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@@shanelong5602 Northern Ireland is part of the UK by choice. It is not occupied by the British. It is occupied by the Northern Irish. What you've just said is out of the IRA handbook as this is what they called Northern Ireland. But show me this legal definition you claim?
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@laurencehutchinson8644 What happened to you supposedly educating me? You supposedly know history whereas i supposedly don't. Well?
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@@shanelong5602 What happened to showing me this supposed proper legal definition that Northern Ireland is occupied by the British?
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@africanmamba1021 Only an idiot would call Itoje a "Waterboy". But then again, you are South African. And i'm well versed in how many of you act.
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@mikespencer4922 Give me examples of whinging and whining that are exclusive to only the English? You've got to be Australian with this comment. Also ironic with this reply. aren't you "Whinging and whining"?
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@prudeuncle We touched South Africa's side last time out. And historically, you have a handful of wins more than we do over you, and only two more world cups. Leave the stupidity alone, it exposes you as a simpleton. Nearly every win for every international side are "Singular wins". Haha. Unless there is a series, all games are singular. Why, which games to you celebrate? We don't win very often? What???? Are you really this backwards and beyond help? Tell me the difference between big games and small games? If you're thinking only winning world cups as the big ones, then if you've only won 3 in history, then you lose nearly every time historically don't you? Which means, you don't win very often.
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It seems you need to learn the rules. Anyone thinking you should lose because your opponent headbutted you shouldn't be making comments about the sport.
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@SkinnyVinnie By "Marching down" do you mean she walked forward barely throwing anything whilst getting hit to body and head with a mass of combinations? Nina clearly won. You can't score a fight.
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@runelillebuen6422 Yeah, because you can have dodgy refs and judges, but not those who do the punch count in order to try and justify their decisions. I've checked many in the past only to find that the one who got the gift decision landed nowhere near to what the stats said. The one who was jibbed landed many, many more shots than said too. The whole system is corrupt. It's out of control at this point.
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@runelillebuen6422 Are you from Australia by any chance? Cherneka got bossed is what you meant to say. And clearly so.
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@ricardofernandez3133 Where did you get this idea from? Name them? We hardly ever fight. The only time we do is in the amateurs. The pros is completely different. We all know when it comes to the pros that Cubans don't do so well. Also, what is "Playing boxer"?
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 I take it this is aimed at me? You're supposed to tag me so i know. Tell me who these Cubans are in the top 5, and in which divisions? I must have missed them if there's as many as you claim. We have over a century of "Breaking asses" and many ATG's. Many more than Cuba could ever come close to manage. Cubans don't do so well when it comes to the pro game. You have some good fighters here and there, but nothing major. It's just the way it is. Rigo vs some unknown fighter? As i say, we hardly fight each other in the pros. This is evidence if all you can come up with is Rigo vs some unknown. Off the top of my head, the only fights i can think of as worthwhile between the two of us is Stracey vs Napoles. Mcavoy vs "Kid" Tunero. Legra vs Winstone. "Kid" berg vs "Kid" Chocolate. You see, there isn't that many. But at least these fights are note worthy.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 Lara is finished and hasn't beaten anyone of note in many years. He is not top 5 at either the Middle or Light Middle divisions. Rigo is finished and is coming off 2 losses. He is also not top 5. Dorticos is top 5. That's legit. Morrell is not top 5 at SuperMiddle. Nor is he a real champ. That regular piece of garbage is worthless. He hasn't done anything at the weight to be top 5. Ugas is top 5. That's legit. Luis Ortiz is a bum who hasn't beaten anyone of worth. A hype job. He isn't even top 10. Barthelemy isn't top 5 at 140. He hasn't beaten anyone worthy other than Mendez which was way back in 2014. That was 8 years ago. He isn't even in the top 10. So you have 2 fighters in the top 5 in Dorticos and Ugas. That isn't many divisions. And they're nothing but good fighters. They're not very good or even close to great. If i were to ask you to name their best wins, what would you come up with? Sorry, but you're even close to being the best nation in boxing. Out of the traditional boxing nations in the world, you and Puerto Rico are in last place. The UK, US, Ukraine, Japan and Mexico take up the top 5 places. Then you have Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and others who are above you too. They have better and more proven fighters in professional boxing.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 What do you mean, the UK were 25 pounds ahead of the Cubans? I don't understand. Rigo did dominate Donaire. I agree. But that was years ago. Lara i also had beating Canelo, but that was years ago too. You can't live on past glories today. No fighter can do that. It's all about what you've done recently. But both are finished fighters now. They're shot. Neither will do anything at world level. Those days are gone. It's just the way it is.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 Which UK boxer weighed heavier than the Cuban? I named 4 fighters. Who did "Kid" Chocolate beat that was anywhere near world level? The wins over Chocolate for Berg stand, as both were great fighters and at world level.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 How can Rigo be the lineal champion when he just lost his last two fights? Lara hasn't had a win of worth in many years. The last one he had was with Hurd, and he lost that one. Who doesn't want to fight him? I've been around boxing for decades. Ortiz is a nobody. Sorry, but it's the truth. You may not like it, but it's true. In all these years he hasn't got a single world class win. He's has many opportunities to fight them, but he keeps running from those fights after mouthing off. Fury would destroy Ortiz. Fury beat Wilder the 3 times they fought. The first time when only at 50% and fat. When Ortiz fought Wilder both times, he was knocked out. Fury is the champ and is actually world class. He's beaten world class fighters. Ortiz hasn't. And to say Fury isn't a puncher when he knocked out Wilder twice, whereas Ortiz got knocked out twice, is hilarious. Ortiz is the most overrated puncher in heavyweight history. He hasn't knocked out anyone of worth. You believe Ortiz would beat everyone out there other than Usyk? You're crazy. Ortiz would get brutally taken out by the whole of the top 10. Hell, he nearly lost to a badly damaged bum in Martin last time out. You're in the top 5 by the wins you have over top 5 fighters. Not because some other fighters said so. Berlanga and Benavidez are also fighters who haven't done anything of worth. Their resumes combined are worthless. Haven't done a thing. Sorry, but you're wrong when claiming Cubans are the best in the world when it comes to pro boxing. I know you want to believe that because you're patriotic, but it isn't true. When Cubans get the chance to shine, they fail most of the time. They get their chances. They just don't do anything with the opportunities. Sorry.
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@estrellasboxisticas6360 You believe they're the best based on amateur wins? Many great fighters have been beaten by lower level fighters in the amateurs. But when it comes to the pros, they're not even close to being in that class. Augie Sanchez beat Floyd Mayweather in the amateurs. But would you be so crazy as to think he's the better overall fighter? Tyrell Biggs beat Mike Tyson when in the amateurs. But what happened in the pros? Would you say he's a better overall fighter because of that amateur win? Hell no. The amateurs and pros are two very different sports. If you know your boxing, you'd know this. I'll stick to one question at a time because you don't seem to answer otherwise. Which British fighters weighed more than the Cubans with those 4 fighters i mentioned? You said they weighed 25 pounds more. Who weighed that much more? Name them?
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The UK is in fact the sovereign nation. His "Chosen" country? I thought the only thing that mattered was their blood? He's English born. Therefore, he's English. He isn't actually representing his actual country. The Scots and the Welsh have chosen to represent team GB. But don't let me stop your hypocrisy. At least that Gold medal is actually yours.
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richiengnt Who cares what flag is anywhere. Where was he born? Is he English, yes or no? Does he have an English accent, yes or no? But i do love all this being turned on it's head with you lot always saying it's not about where you're born. It's about their blood. But look at this now being the opposite. The hypocrisy is blinding. P.S Stop liking your own comments.
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richiengnt Clearly he's representing the Republic. I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and the fact he's British.
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@harshbutfair8993 Can you show me a source of his Mum's maiden name being O'Keefe? She, like his Dad, was born and raised in Leeds, England.
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richiengnt He grew up in Northern Ireland so he chose to represent Ireland. But it still doesn't change the fact he's English though.
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@harshbutfair8993 Can't find that supposed source to prove his Mother is Irish? Funny that isn't it.
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I haven't taken them seriously for years. These robberies are non stop at this point.
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You do know they're both the same thing? Haha. But is he the only one on them? Are his opponents clean? If so, how do you know?
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@aavinashchaliha7810 Performance enhancers and steroids are the same thing. They enhance performance. I didn't say everyone was on roids. I asked you if Haggerty was the only one on them. If so, how do you know? How do you know if Haggerty is on them? Why did you make that accusation towards him and no one else? What do you see in haggerty that is different to his opponents? You're the one who made the accusation. I want you to justify it.
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@aavinashchaliha7810 So only Foreigners need them to compete with the unbeatable Thai's? Hahahahahahaha. Yeah, they don't. But keep telling yourself that after watching them getting beaten time and time again. I knew this was down to bitterness. Get used to it though. It's only going to get worse. It will end up like the Japanese in Pride where they kept getting beaten so shut it down to save face. You know it's coming. If Haggerty is on them, then they're definitely on them. Just look at their physiques compared to Haggerty. They're jacked. I'd love for you to explain though why "Farangs" need them but Thai's don't? I have to hear this. For the record, the UK is a hotbed for great fighters and has been for centuries. Thai's don't even come close for internationally known great fighters like the UK is. The only reason to why Thai's dominated their own sport was due to them being the only ones participating in it. That's changing all the time. It's clear you're feeling it too with these kind of comments. It will only get worse.
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@aavinashchaliha7810 So only Farangs need them to compete with the unbeatable Thai's? Hahahahahahaha. Yeah, they don't. But keep telling yourself that after watching them getting beaten time and time again. I knew this was down to bitterness. Get used to it though. It's only going to get worse. It will end up like the Japanese in Pride where they kept getting beaten so shut it down to save face. You know it's coming. If Haggerty is on them, then they're definitely on them. Just look at their physiques compared to Haggerty. They're jacked. I'd love for you to explain though why "Farangs" need them but Thai's don't? I have to hear this. For the record, the UK is a hotbed for great fighters and has been for centuries. Thai's don't even come close for internationally known great fighters like the UK is. The only reason to why Thai's dominated their own sport was due to them being the only ones participating in it. That's changing all the time. It's clear you're feeling it too with these kind of comments. It will only get worse.
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@aavinashchaliha7810 So only Farangs need them to compete with the unbeatable Thai's? Yeah, they don't. But keep telling yourself that after watching the results over the last few years. I knew this was down to bitterness. Get used to it though. It's only going to get worse. It will end up like the Japanese in Pride where they kept getting beaten so shut it down to save face. You know it's coming. If Haggerty is on them, then they're definitely on them. Just look at their physiques compared to Haggerty. They're jacked. I'd love for you to explain though why "Farangs" need them but Thai's don't? I have to hear this. For the record, the UK is a hotbed for great fighters and has been for centuries. Thai's don't even come close for internationally known great fighters like the UK is. The only reason to why Thai's dominated their own sport was due to them being the only ones participating in it. That's changing all the time. It's clear you're feeling it too with these kind of comments. It will only get worse.
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So only Farangs need them to compete with the unbeatable Thai's? Yeah, they don't. But keep telling yourself that after watching the results over the last few years. I knew this was down to bitterness. Get used to it though. It's only going to get worse. It will end up like the Japanese in Pride. You know it's coming. If Haggerty is on them, then they're definitely on them. They're jacked. I'd love for you to explain though why "Farangs" need them but Thai's don't? I have to hear this. For the record, the UK is a hotbed for great fighters and has been for centuries. Thai's don't even come close for internationally known great fighters like the UK is. The only reason to why Thai's dominated their own sport was due to them being the only ones participating in it. That's changing all the time. It's clear you're feeling it too with these kind of comments. It will only get worse.
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@aavinashchaliha7810 What happened to answering the questions? Have you no rational response?
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@suzie9874 Who were the "Several top fighters" Foreman beat in the 90's? Outside of beating Moorer who made the mistake of wanting to better everyone else who beat Foreman on points and going out there to knock Foreman out? Had Moorer been smarter and boxed like he should have, he would have dominated Foreman. But he did too much and started to run out of steam later on and allowed Foreman to get to a now slower Moorer.
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@DW-nb2zc How? Duran was a Lightweight with Hearns and Leonard Welterweight. Can you name any natural Middleweights like Hagler in that era?
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@suzie9874 It's easy to see what Holmes would have to Tyson prime for prime even though Tyson dominated Holmes when they fought? No, you claim it by putting up another fighter in Lewis against Tyson and make out it means something in a Tyson/Holmes fight prime for prime. That literally makes no sense. Then you add in the fact Tyson wasn't prime against Lewis. It's clear to me now without a doubt that you are absolutely clueless and illogical in what you're saying on this thread.
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@DW-nb2zc You have listed some fights not FIGHTERS in reply to me asking if you can name any natural Middleweights like Hagler from that era? Are any of those you named natural Middleweights like Hagler? No, they're not. A natural Middleweight would be someone who started out as a Middleweight and didn't need to come up in weight like Hearns, Leonard and Duran.
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@DW-nb2zc The point i was making was that the 80's Middleweight division wasn't that great on account of the main fights happening in that era were fighters moving up from the lower divisions. I agree more money was on offer with them getting fights with the champion in Hagler and them being big names in the lower weights. But on the whole, i think it was overrated. Hagler had too much of an advantage over them. Surprisingly though, he lost to Leonard who had been out for years. He only beat an even smaller Duran by a single point on my card. The only one he beat decisively was the Hitman.
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@robertbrown7896 Yeah, they're natural Middleweights. But none of them are close to being great. Mugabi and Roldan never proved anything. They're fringe level fighters at best. Hamsho was a good fighter however. Minter, Antuofermo, Sibson, Hamsho, Briscoe are the best he fought as natural Middles.
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Benn won 9 of the 10 rounds. You're very painfully delusional. If all you watched were the highlights and not the full fight, how could you score any rounds after not seeing everything?
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You do know Ramirez ducked Prograis twice don't you? He even ran away from the tournament both Taylor and Prograis fought in. Taylor has only had 1 round in 19 months. He's not prepared properly. You don't fight for undisputed in those conditions. It's never been done. Well, not from anyone in the US anyway. So my bet is Ramirez. Not because he's the btter fighter. Taylor would smack him about had he been active. But due to circumstances only.
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rany lopez You believe having only 1 round in 19 months is an excuse? Do you believe Barrera being shot and out of his weight class against Khan was just an excuse for the loss? Context is everything. And for the record, Ramirez DID DUCK Prograis twice before the tournament. You can even search for it on Google if you like. I don't make stories up.
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@charleyu5506 So you agree that 1 round in 19 months is as good as any preparation? There's nothing to see here? Or are you the usual who acknowledge the situation but hope no one sees so you can claim full credit should Ramirez win? I think i'll go with my experience dealing with boxing "Fans" and go with the hoping no one sees. Well, i see.
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This dude is Irish, not British. Jeez. And the Irish can't fight for shit.
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@avtobus1234 Who are these British fighters who fight like him? We have many different types of styles over here.
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You have that reaction when you get the decision in the US due to the mass corruption. You're shocked you actually get your well deserved win. This is the British broadcast with Jim Watts scorer card. ignore it as it stinks like most of his score cards. Brook dominated this fight with ease.
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@smokemmz Maybe word it better next time. You made it look like you were saying Curiel beat Sunny up. You know because, we're on the Sunny/Curiel video? It's Bam who needs to step up. How many shot, inactive or disadvantaged opponents has he fought now? His career is built on them. When he fights someone fresh without any funny business, you'll see who he really is. I don't think you're going to like it either when it does happen..
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You think this is only Kickboxing? One shows MMA, Muay Thai and Kickboxing. And yes, no other organisation has this level of stand-up across the board. Their striking is vastly superior to any other.
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@olliefoxx7165 Naz was more then world class. He's an ATG. He beat Robinson, Bungu, Kelley, Vasquez, Ingle, Medina, Soto, Johnson, McCullough, Badillo, Belcastro who were all world class and world champions. You literally are clueless. When it's time to retire, you retire. Being world class is based on beating world class fighters, not when you retire. That doesn't even make any sense. As is you claiming Naz only beat euro opponents. Most of them were from overseas. Name all the fighters Fury beat who were world class? Fury never was undisputed. Again, showing how clueless you are. Naz beat all the champions in every organisation too, so you're contradicting yourself as well. But to go further and claim an actual bum with no skill and no world class wins in Wilder as an elite fighter when he wasn't and isn't even world class, is beyond irrational. How clueless must you be to claim Naz wasn't world class but Wilder is? That is literally insane and shows you know nothing about the sport to making comments in the first place. Naz unified all the titles, Wilder never did it once. But give me another laugh by listing the world class fighters Wilder beat? And tell me why they're world class.
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@LambTjops The point is, South Africans shouldn't be going around talking about arrogance when you read and listen to their fan base. That is arrogance. Toxic arrogance at that too. He also said he wanted the All Blacks to have the breaks beaten off them because of it. If that's the case, South Africa should be the team you'd want to see the breaks beaten off them if we're going by levels of arrogance.
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@LambTjops Arrogance is THE point. It's hypocrisy for South Africans to be talking about arrogance when you know what they're like.
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@LambTjops I think learning about what a point is will help you. I didn't bring up the subject of arrogance. The person who made the original comment did.
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@LambTjops But he wants the All Blacks to have the breaks beaten off them? Why would he want the team to be beaten if it's just the pundits? Therefore, if arrogance is the cause for wanting them to lose, he should make South Africa the top of his list considering. It's quite easy to understand. It's also easy to understand his claim of their pundits showing humility as not in tune with reality.
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@LambTjops And all Rugby fans should want South Africa to have the breaks beaten off them to shut up the fans after all the talk they come out with.
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@LambTjops I take it you missed all the talk before the last world cup and the situation with Erasmus? And that's before we get into anything else.
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@LambTjops I'm not the one who is confused here. I'm talking about how they talked before the last world cup and on the subject of Erasmus with what went on during the Lions tour on their show. There have been many shows with different talking points at different times. How this confused you i don't know.
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