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  1267. +Arphemius I think you may be simplistically knocking down religious objective morality with a straw man (deceitful) argument? To be religious is to attain self-mastery, so the man following orders is a low order man, practically an animal man, not a religious man. In that sense, agreed, no better than following laws laid down by the state. Could you be conflating the collectivist happy clapping religious person who just blindly takes orders from the high priest with the religious man who sees all as one, the universe as one whole? The ancient texts tell us a philosophy of life, how to live a good life and avoid getting into trouble. When we live, as if, every action were being watched (not literal - it is a metaphor), then our lives get infinitely better. If you need someone to police that and lay down the law then you are not getting it. The problem with your argument is that history has shown us the only 'civilized' nations have been mostly built upon christian individualist values. Your claims of atheist moral supremacy may well be on shaky ground. Where is your morality spontaneously coming from, just a feeling?It is great that you could invent your own moral code, but where is it similar and different to the christian code of conduct? Without the Christian value sub-structure upon western civilization is built, are we supposed to believe that people would just not kill each other, for example, without need for a state. The only evidence I have is childhood friends, the atheists houses were cold, unsafe, anti-social and unwelcoming whilst the christian households were warm, welcoming and social. Just an observation. I know there must be exceptions. Atheists do not have a good track record when it comes to killing, suicide, homicide, genocide, since time and again we arrogantly throw out the ancient texts with a call of 'we can handle ourselves without this rubbish'. Just an observation - happy to be proven wrong. The problem is some atheists posture and claim to define their own morality but in fact act out the morality laid down by the laws of the land, since they have no self-mastery, self-control, but yet still claim not to kill because killing is wrong, said with a dismissive venom in the voice. Of course, no atheist I know who postures like this, has any issue at all with paying taxes to the state to kill foreign people. In fact, they consider paying taxes to be a virtue which may have something to do with shifting responsibility away from the self. Just some food for thought. Ta.
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  1725.  @kingkoi6542  My point precisely, Gold is a hedge against the expansion of money supply. CPI is true inflation and it is maintained between 1-3% by central banks as too low we have stagnation and zero economic activity (stale mate), whilst, too high, we have hyper-inflation. Why 2%? well that is the number most economists agree on by consensus, and it just happens to be the annual Gold supply inflation. My point again, Gold is not a hedge against inflation, since inflation targets the same number as Gold inflation. If Gold price goes up and down, that is market dynamics of perceived supply and demand, nothing to do with inflation, even though ppl say that is why they are buying, the price bakes all that future supply and demand into today's price. With regard, to BOE not buying back Gold, well, let's just say, the British pound and the US dollar, which are both loosely pegged, are the only fiat currencies that have withstood the test of time, precisely because they have strict controls that target 2% inflation (the same as the Gold supply increase due to mining activity). In countries with dictator control and no central bank, they tend towards hoarding commodities and currency devaluation, resulting in hyper-inflation, whilst the unelected heads of state, keep the Gold for themselves, since ownership is 10/10ths of the law. This leaves the statesmen super-rich at the expense of the poor-populace. I know I would rather live in England than Venezuela, why? because, England broadly speaking, understands finance better and does not exploit the citizens except for the 2% "stealth tax" which is inflation, used to pay for key workers and public goods, through issuance of debt in the form of gilts. GBP has value. However, that's not the point. The point is, what people decide money is. I have never seen anyone go to supermarket and buy anything with Gold. Think about why? Gold is a bad currency, that's why. It is too easy to counterfeit and nobody knows how to verify the Gold you have is real. So trade stops. Gold is a bubble too. Remember that.
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  2678.  @xpsxps1339  1.You are missing the point about corporations being a net benefit to society, they do pay a high price (in tax), if they make huge profits but fail to re-invest them. Not only do they work to eliminate unemployment (full employment is just as important to a state than tax income), but they spend in the economy too. Plus, their employees being fully employed, get to pay tax and spend their money in the economy too. Or at least that is how it should work, if they are going to be a net benefit. Did I mention I am not particularly a fan of globalist mega-corps? (precisely because they can play above the nation state level) - 2. I understand your points, but again you are missing the main point that a corporation is not simply a private entity (even though it can legally act like one), because, if done right, it is offering society benefits that are greater than the sum of the individuals on their own could produce. Imagine, oh Amazon, if everybody was their own Amazon, that would be incredibly inefficient, so you would end up paying more as the end consumer. When you play these redistribution games, you set up all kinds of unwanted effects. Mega-corps play on this fact, to gain favorable terms, that an individual would not be justified in claiming. - 3. Instead of fixating on taxes, look at the broader situation and play through the scenario, that they arbitrarily paid more, tax, you would find that the pot is finite, and that if you put in the laws you are proposing these companies would not exist, but there would be the same amount of money floating around in the system. Yet, there would be more unemployment. Things would cost more. Certain services would be not available or more expensive. - 4. The anti-trust and collusion is the only thing that concerns me about mega-corps. The WEF is a terribly sinister thing, when you think about how much lobbying power it has. Not to mention unelected, unopposed. Regular companies and corps that choose to re-invest rather than pay tax, I have no problem with. I would put all attention on this, and net benefits, and forget about taxes. It is what it is.
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  4310.  @kingkoi6542  Gold has gone up because it is a bearer asset, with some degree of scarcity, so it will go up, in fact if you had held anything it would have gone up by a similar amount relatively due to the expansion of the money supply. We almost agree, but the thing I am not making clear is that it's not about Gold per se, and it's not about hedging inflation per se, it's about owning anything physical. A hedge against inflation would linearly with inflation, but Gold simply fluctates with an upward trend, due to money supply increase or pereived scarcity or fear taking hold of the markets. It's not a hedge because it will probably go up with inflation but that is not guaranteed. CPI, consumer price, is the inflation we are talking about though since that is the one that we mean when we say inflation. Going "off the gold standard" was about stimulating the economy, technological development, getting ppl into paid work and paying key workers and funding public works. None of that was happening on the "gold standard" because there was a stale mate situation where the gold holders were afraid to spend because they would not part with their precious metals due to it's perceived value. You can own all the Gold in the world and it's not going to help you in a crisis, which is when it is supposed to help you. The reason Gold and Silver are not accepted as money, is that they are really bad currencies with a lot of friction in transaction and trust issues. Not to mention the cost to carry and secure. Gold will go up and down in value but you may just find it's not due to inflation. Remember, if something "should" be worth more tomorrow, then I will price that in today. If we know Gold is going to go up in value, why don't we just buy all the Gold today? Because the future price of Gold is baked into today's price, which is why the market price fluctuates, not even to mention the vaults of Gold happy to sell to you at any price, why? Because they own the supply of Gold.
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  6638. ​ @gordonthefreeman  The thing is Gordon, we are talking meta-physical and abstract concepts. Something that children and animals are unable to do. It is great that we have you to tell us what they are thinking, despite them largely agreeing on how to live and meaningful life despite the fact that life is suffering. The difference being that Jews largely believe that God is "out there" whilst Christians believe God is out there and within our ancestors and within us (metaphorically). Belief that we are the Universe, not separate from it. Studying human psychology it is self-evident that "stupid religious beliefs" are human nature. The false Messiah or false prophet is the worship of things of a temporary ephemeral nature, such as the self, another human, a team, a tribe, a country, a currency etc. In other words, if you think you have no religion or beliefs, think again as you are probably worshipping a false prophet, even if the only belief you held was in the currency of your country. The only thing that gives a currency value, is in fact our collective belief, thus money is a religion, so just be careful when ridding the world of religion as that is precisely what the Soviets and the Nazis did. We have already done it. Also Venezuala recently tried to kill all religion - how did that turn out? Worship of the state! The death of God is not necessarily something to celebrate as it is not clear you have a better system to fill the void, that does not result in poverty and genocide. How do you propose to replace "God"? Is atheism a good survival strategy? The common ground between atheists and theists is only found in the concept of God (the unknown unknown). The fact that we can argue over the details of something, indicates that the something exists, we just argue over the form it takes. How can you explain I spend an inordinate amount of time debating the concept of God with atheists? Do you understand irony?
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  6758. Who is "they"? I registered your points but I asked for mechanism of collapse. Just saying everything will collapse (....so buy silver) is a pretty juvenile narrative. Collapse into what? For every trade, you have a buyer and seller. The "they" you speak of, what makes you think "they" are not rigging the silver markets? When you sell stocks, someone buys them from you and you effectively buy dollars, or pounds, or yen or whatever. Furthermore, when this "collapse" happens, what use will your precious silver be. If the government does not take it by confiscation, in the event of a huge calamity, I would prefer things around me that have utility value, such as oil, water, shelter, food, tools, weapons etc. Silver is the last thing I am thinking of when in a survival situation. You talk about a "fragile house of cards" but we are way more decentralized as a society than ever, and there is more liquidity and markets than ever. Not relying on "gatekeepers" to carry out trades. You need to reconcile your position because you simply can't have a stock, bond, housing and currency collapse. People buy stock and bond with currency and they sell stock and bond for currency. In other words, stocks may "collapse" into bonds or vice-versa. Houses may "collapse" into currency or vice-versa etc. etc. What are you even saying? It is so incoherent and unclear what your narrative, or mechanism for collapse is, other than, it's all gonna collapse. Just to be clear, I am not saying that there will be no collapse, there may be some kind of correction, but I am saying that if it does happen, silver is not going to mean shit, when your neighbor is trying to eat you.
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