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Principles of democracy. Free nations support each other.
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Nonetheless, Taiwan was never part of the civil war. In contrast, Taiwan saved the Guoming to live and still exist today being adopted as part of government political democracy.
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@m3c4nyku43 US has diplomatic relations to any country but it does not mean support. US and China have official relations but US does not support bad actions.
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@cheala6247 Universal reason is freedom and democracy to support each other. That's why Chinese people support Taiwan.
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@lvjinbin28 Chinese govt should instead help Taiwan's right for a UN seat and all international organizations.
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@jeremytine Taiwan maintains the role model for Chinese democracy ranking no.1 in Asia and 10th in the world. EIU 2023 democracy index.
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@m3c4nyku43 That is an open policy of the US. It has nothing to do with lecturing to you.
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@jay-shakeli9761 Taiwan was still legally part of Japan and under occupation of the Allies. The US merely appointed Chiang-Kai-Shek as proxy of the US. The US became the occupier of all Japanese territories until the peace treaty in 1952. So from the legal point, Taiwan was not part of the 1947 Nanjing constitution. Also, the civil war was about the control of territories left by the Qing government. Taiwan was already ceded permanently to Japan before the civil war.
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@rap3208 Wrong word of reunite because the two territories were never united with one-government.
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@mandjaco-y9i Reasonable and educated Chinese all support for Taiwanese's good example of Chinese democracy.
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@jay-shakeli9761 Facts means fully documented by international law. Your statements are based on lies with wrong assumptions. Japan did not transfer Taiwan's sovereignty to any country nor government which means Taiwan together with Korea became free and independent from Japan in the same articles of the 1952 peace treaty. That is the basis of documented facts.
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@Amidat Taiwan was never involved on any war in China. Taiwan saved the RoC government and preserved the Sun-Yat sen democratic principles. In history books, what happened in Chinas was a rebellion against the legitimate government. RoC's martial law from the state of rebellion was only lifted after RoC has been a democratic government in Taiwan.
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@gonzalos4379 Recognized by the entire world including the majority of reasonable Chinese people.
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@jay-shakeli9761 Don't say facts when you have nothing. Yours are all wrong assumptions without backup documents. therefore a complete lie.
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@mandjaco-y9i Macau was on colonial rights by Portugal. HK was on lease agreement with UK. Both territories were legally handed over in 1999. China's government connection with Taiwan stopped in 1895 after permanent cession to Japan. Since 1895, Taiwan was legally part of Japan. So, it is a false claim to comment on separatism when legally Taiwan along with Korea has been free independent state since 1952 after the peace treaty with Japan or since 70 years ago. .
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@lvjinbin28 The US has official relations to all countries. The support is based on rule of law.
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@lvjinbin28 Jiang was responsible for opening the door for democracy. He started by welcoming Taiwanese participation most notably the appointed of Taiwan-born VP Lee Dung Hui. Now, the country ranked top in Asia as the most free and 10th in the 2023 EIU world democracy index list.
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@zeroZheng2 We do agree on documented facts as the truth which matter most. So there's no point on debating or argumentation. I'm just trying to point against misleading comments based on lies.
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@metalvideos1961 The country was called Ming and not China. So there was no China before 1912.
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@River-ov4ni Taiwan existed since 1648 as a state as Dutch colony centuries before China was born in 1912 by a western educated founder. Facts matter. Bringing up a hypothetical scenario of Texas is non-sense and unrelated.
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@裴寅鹤 RoC was the legitimate government after the Qing dynasty wrote an Imperial edict to transfer the government to RoC. Now the RoC government in Taiwan country got legitimacy after democratic elections among all Taiwanese citizens.
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@mandjaco-y9i The war settlement was according to the 1952 peace treaty. That is the basis of international law. So, there is nothing to complain about.
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@mandjaco-y9i Documented facts contradict your opinion.
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@vere9652 You don't really read the above comments. Taiwan has been an independent state since 1952 or for more than 70 years already after being free from Japan. China only needs to help Taiwan gets back the UN seat and to be able the country to officially participate to all international organizations.
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@mengMeng-lm7si Chinese people are generally nice and reasonable. It's the single-party rulers who turn friends to foe because of the aggressive bullying behavior and utter disrespect of small countries territory.
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Because it never was.
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says who by a daylight pirate?
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@Sakond. Saudi and the gulf countries have been always an absolute monarchy since the beginning of the United Nations.
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@jay-shakeli9761 The US was the occupier of all Japanese territories until the peace treaty in 1952. CKS was just the proxy upon the instruction of the US general commander. Fully documented fact based on general order no.1
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@lvjinbin28 People of the world support the rule of law.
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@rap3208 There were many states and kingdoms meaning different governments in Chinese history.
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@Amidat Qing was a Manchu colonizer of Han people. The country name Qing not yet China. So the Qing ceded the territory permanently without a chance of return to Japan before China became an official name by Sun Yat Sen.
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@dumbbirdvip TW was part of Japan during the rebellion against the government in China. So that answer your any doubt that TW is not part of China.
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@dumbbirdvip Besides, Taiwan official name already used in 1684 by the Dutch government in Taiwan where there was no China yet but Ming and Qing colonies. Sun-Yat-Sen started to use China in 1912. By that time Taiwan was already part of Japan. So, claiming TW part of China is a big lie.
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@沈括希 None in RoC constitution so don't assume if you know nothing. Acknowledge does not mean agree. So it is illegal if no factual basis.
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@沈括希 Hawaii was ratified in 1959 after the Hawaiians votes to statehood.
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@沈括希 Under the original 1947 RoC constitution, the mainland was the territory being stolen by rebellion. The additional articles are for the democratic government by the people of Taiwan.
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@沈括希 The votes of the people are sacred and sovereign in the constitution. Therefore, Hawaii accession to the statehood was according to the constitution. Taiwan voters also validated the RoC as government of Taiwan according to the additional articles of RoC constitution. Now you must know how important is the rule of law !
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@xbklibry3089 1945 was the surrender of Japan. Chiang-Kai-Shek sent troops to Taiwan upon in behalf of the US as temporary occupier of all Japanese territories. That's according to Gen. Douglas McArthur Order no.1. The temporary occupation ended inn 1952 peace treaty where Japan did not cede Taiwan to any country nor a government and both the US and Japan agreed that Taiwan was free for self-determination according to the UN Charter.
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simpway That is a lie. Japan did not cede Taiwan sovereignty to China nor RoC in 1952 peace treaty. Chinese civil war was in China only. Taiwan was peaceful under Japanese period at that time. Better backread my previous comments. Don't be lazy.
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That claim is a lie. Historically Taiwan was part of Japan even before the sickle and Taiwan now an independent country.
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Wrong side of history.
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tell that to your boss with sickle
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@JonySmith-bb4gx Reasonable Chinese people support Taiwan's freedom. Only the trolls are making non-sense comments.
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@MissMan666 No. A Chinese can be easily cancelled or jailed if not following the regime.
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China was the stolen territory of RoC.
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China's mainland is part of RoC.
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@thiago5372 You are saying one against the world.
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@thiago5372 Facts matter based on the truth. So we agree that NO to hypocrisy and cynicism.
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@zeroZheng2 I did not use my own opinion or historical interpretation. The documented facts are publicly known for everyone with reason as basis of the rule of law. Literally you agree with it. That's also known by the entire world and majority of reasonable CN pl to understand correctly.
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@Monkehrawrrr It's time for you learn and educated yourself what free country means. We know you serve only a one-party. Try to read the 2023 EIU Democracy Index.
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@Monkehrawrrr Your previous comment you don't know what free means now you want to prove that republics are not democracies. Lol ! You know nothing. I repeat read the 2023 democracy index to educate yourself.
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@Monkehrawrrr Here are thoughts for you. The 2023 index is a list of all countries in the world ranking the no.1 the country with highest degree of freedom and democracy. The list includes the republics (The government leader is usually the president) and monarchies (The government leader is usually the prime minister). Democracy is the system of government where the leaders are elected and accountable by the people. Political freedom refers to the rights and entitlements of citizens to express their views and participate in the political process without restriction or fear of retribution.
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@火焰猫燐 China won't allow you to show if the party in power sees it a threat. In the true democratic country, an ordinary citizen has the right to express or criticize without restraint within the framework of the rule of law.
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@杜爽-o6p True democratic countries treat each other equal within the shared values of human freedom.
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@wiskwu 美国及其盟国正在尽最大努力通过威慑维护和平中国对东南亚和台湾海域的非法主张可能会导致武装冲突。The United States and its allies are doing their best to maintain peace by deterring China’s unlawful claims to maritime Southeast Asia sea and Taiwan sovereignty which could lead to armed conflict.
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@wiskwu 自二战以来，美国的军事存在遍布亚洲和全世界，并与盟国合作。最近与韩国、日本、东南亚和澳大利亚加强合作联盟是对中国侵略性非法行为的积极回应。
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@火焰猫燐特朗普是个商人。他的兴趣是让美国和世界各国达成良好的贸易协议。他想要和平。美国人想要和平，台湾人和中国人想要和平。每个人都想要和平。唯一的问题是中国政府中的几个老家伙妄想占领领土来统治以满足他们对权力的贪婪。
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@火焰猫燐特朗普是个商人。他的兴趣是让美国和世界各国达成良好的贸易协议。他想要和平。美国人想要和平，台湾人和中国人想要和平。每个人都想要和平。唯一的问题是中国政府中的几个老家伙妄想占领领土来统治以满足他们对权力的贪婪。
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@とうごうべんけい Be specific what you want to say.
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@とうごうべんけい Why?
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@とうごうべんけい Taiwan was under temporary occupation by the US and Allies before the peace treaty in 1952. That's why American soldiers were there to support the Chiang-Kai-Shek troops. Martial law was lifted in 1987 after the external threats subsided which lead to open up democracy. Taiwan is now a model country maintaining Asia's no1 in freedom and democracy among the citizens.
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@とうごうべんけい US country relations does not necessarily mean support. It is easier for the US to make alliances with countries having shared values of freedom and democracy.
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@とうごうべんけい Bullying the small peaceful neighbors and aggressively taking action to steal their small piece of territory are not only inhumane but also ruthless. A friend in need is a friend indeed. The world is doing something to deter aggressors.
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@tony1duan The US has official relations with all countries which do no mean support. In case of war, the military alliance is according to the rule of law particularly the defense treaties between the democratic countries. Note: The alliance is always defensive against aggressors.
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@tony1duan Those unofficial involvement as you claim is complicated with many variable reasons. They were decided according to intelligence reports to protect the US interests. They do not relate to the current issue of China's muscling up to grab territories of other countries by unlawful means.
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@Buster-mz3ee Please make show any proof before making judgement otherwise the naiveness and ignorance is you.
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@tony1duan Not one documented to support you own wrong opinions. Better read my previous which cite the documented facts.
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@jacksmith-mu3ee Outsiders should instead help to convince the govt of China to endorse Taiwan's application to the UN.
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@jacksmith-mu3ee Outsiders are non-TAiwanese. JUst to be clear.
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@jacksmith-mu3ee In simple reminder, it's a Taiwan issue not China. Taiwan people wants official representation to the world for the country of 70 years in existence. Nothing is clearer than that.
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@jacksmith-mu3ee I repeat this thousands times as in the past comments. Your claim is baseless, illegal and against the rule of law according to the documented facts. Please don't repeat your unsubstantiated claim like a bot. Be factual.
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@ustcarter wrong. The US 1979 opening ties with PRC was strategic ambiguity. Search it.
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@markdrewett149 Be specific.
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@gameli9932 Like the rest of countries, the US has official relations with SA. Let's say good relations because US and SA usually agree in peace deals on the Midde east regions. US and China has also good relation since opening ties in 1979 which bring China from poor giant into now superpower status. But the recent bullying behavior of the government against small and weak neighbors has broken the rule of peace and harmony. The Chinese military enforcing the will of other countries sovereignty is violation of international law. The US and the world to create an alliance is just a response to deter the escalation back to normalcy.
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@Zyhysj Iran and China are similar controlled by party with extremist ideology. Islamism and communism.
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@Zyhysj 中国和伊朗有着相似的共产主义和伊斯兰主义极端意识形态。
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@Zyhysj 在最新的 2023 年民主指数中，伊朗排名 153 位，中国排名 148 位，垫底。中国实行共产主义法律，而伊朗则遵循古老的伊斯兰法律。
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@MuhammadQureshi-l1l Only when at peace and harmony.
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@韩轩-l5l what is non-sense? say something factual not lies.
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@xiaoqianghan Two thıngs go together for Taıwan ranked noç1 ın Freedom and Democracy ın Asıa. 1. Free country where the government does not control what people say or do for political reasons and where people can express their opinions without punishment 2. Democracy is a government of the people, by the people and for the people' The political leaders from the highest position of the president to the lowest local government is through democratic election by every voting citizen . That election by citizen voting rights is the true representation of freedom and democracy.
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@AhabPiquard China is the name of the country founded by Dr.Sun, the first president of ROC. government. At the time of founding in 1912, Taiwan was already Japanese territory since 1895. When PRC was proclaimed as government of China in 1949, Taiwan was still a Japanese territory until the peace treaty in 1952. One thing is clear, there is ZERO reason and grossly illegal for PRC government to claim Taiwan.
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@kochmurdochsoroska-shingma5839 because you have nothing to argue.
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@AhabPiquard you are ignorant. During the WWII, Taiwan and Japan mainland were one country and the Taiwanese military were fighting under the Japan Imperial forces.
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@accn66 US is following the rule based on international defense treaties vs PRCs lawless bullying actions to disturb peace. Its common sense.
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@闻博-e4p China and Taiwan are two separate land territories ruled by different governments. Taiwan (1624) is older than China (1912). Facts don't lie.
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@AhabPiquard you know nothing at all.
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@AhabPiquard Taiwan gained independence from Japan after the peace treaty 1952. That's the documented fact. Other claims are just lies.
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@AhabPiquard 1952 SFPT. Learn it.
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@AhabPiquard No treaty or written document about one-China policy. You are fooled of nothing.
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@AhabPiquard When China was founded in 1912, Taiwan was already a Japanese territory since 1895. So it's wrong for PRC government to say One-China includes Taiwan because it a big lie.
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@AhabPiquard In short, Taiwan was already 300 year old state when China was born in 1912. Get it?
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@AhabPiquard Some Facts for to learn. RoC officially inherited the land territories by Imperial edict from Qing country to new name China in 1912. RoC did not give PRC inheritance but stole the lands. Until now the ROC has the historical right to claim back and rule their stolen territory again at least in paper.
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@AhabPiquard Before 1912, there was no China yet and the last Qing has officially written not to interfere anywhere beyond the sea since 1895. So clearly 1949 PRC has no right. So its ridiculous to mention a fantasy book written by an ancient people of Dynasty.
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@AhabPiquard The last Qing officially ceded Taiwan permanently to Japan in 1895 before China was born in 1912. So it has no relevance to mention anything including the book of ancient people of dynasty.
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@AhabPiquard False claim. A big lie. No valid documents to show that.
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@peterwang5272 So you use another name because you can't prove the false claims?
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@CharlesSummers-b3p The US and the world do not agree with PRC's one-China principle.
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@Snake-i7x Sorry for you. No valid document based on rule of law to support PRC's false claim on Taiwan.
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@CharlesSummers-b3p The US and the world do not agree with PRC's one-China principle.
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Two separate territories ruled by different governments. Only one greedy politics want to take the other territory. Majority of peace reasonable Chinese people don't support the minority politicians.
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@JonySmith-bb4gx Saying Taiwan part of China is a big lie. It's the other way around. The ROC government in Taiwan has historical claim to take back the lost territory of China.
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Instead China should help Taiwan to join the international organizations.
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@m3c4nyku43 Chinese people help each other. That's why they want the Taiwanese to be proud of their freedom.
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@m3c4nyku43 The US is an advocate of peace and friendship. That's why the Chinese in the US are happy. They want people in Asia to experience the same success.
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Wrong word unification. Because Taiwan and China were never ruled as one government.
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@McGillus Claim has no basis therefore illegitimate. Further action is illegal and the world is watching for any wrong move to deter the potential criminal action.
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@McGillus The word is based on lies with zero basis. That's why it's against the world.
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@JonySmith-bb4gx Yeah stay away. None of your business.
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如果所有中国人联合起来要求中国政府帮助台湾申请联合国席位，这对中国兄弟情谊更好
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@jay-shakeli9761 Official documents of Cairo and Potsdam did not mention Taiwan. Besides, the 1952 treaty was final settlement which superseded all previous declarations.
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@lvjinbin28 I support the people's fundamental right of freedom and democracy to run their own country.
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@georgianagina KMT is now Taiwanized after democratization.
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@陳先聲-w8m The DPP has instead helped to become a full democratic country. Just like the US, the KMT, DPP and other parties can check each other for better governance and welfare to the citizens. Taiwan is still the no.1 role model free country in Asia and 10th in the world ranking 2023 for most free countries in the world.
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@裴寅鹤 Colonized not unified.
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@Amidat For that reason, Taiwan name existed before China's name.
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@沈括希 That's not the constitution.
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@沈括希 The imaginary provinces were formally defunct in 2018.
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@沈括希 If you use RoC's original constitution, you are just proving that the current government in China is illegitimate and the rule must be returned to RoC government.
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@沈括希 If you use RoC's original constitution, you are just proving that the current government in China is illegitimate and the rule must be returned to RoC government.
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@沈括希 Obviously by the name itself, Taipei Treaty legally assigned the RoC as government of Taiwan. From that time, RoC represented Taiwan. When the country became a democracy in 2000, the RoC government has been Taiwanized upon election by all Taiwanese people.
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@沈括希 The treaty is mainly the disposition of Taiwanese nationals from Japanese citizens to RoC citizens after the Japanese government left Taiwan. See Article 3. That is the main purpose of the treaty between the two governments. .
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@沈括希 RoC is now the democratic government of Taiwan fully represented by Taiwanese people from voting elections.
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@裴寅鹤 Under the original 1947 constitution which cannot be altered, the mainland is lost territory under rebellion. Technically, the people in the mainland lost the citizenship when the rebels captured them in those time period. The citizenship of current RoC government in Taiwan was based on the Taipei Taipei treaty and mandated by the people of Taiwan by democratic election under the additional articles of the constitution specific for Taiwan only.
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@沈括希 You talked too much without supporting facts. So personal opinions without evidence are considered lies.
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@沈括希 Prove at least one with supporting facts. It's non-sense if no fact.
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@沈括希 So what do you want to prove.
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@裴寅鹤 That is not the constitution.
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@裴寅鹤 What's your point? What do you want to prove with legal documents.
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@yury2608 Japan did not cede Taiwan to any country or government which meant Taiwan and Korea were free and independent from Japan according to the SF Retreat treaty 1952. BACKREAD the previous comments. Don't Repeat.
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@yury2608 I said backread the above comments. I repeat, Taiwan was never part of the real Cairo declaration and Potsdam. Besides the 1952 treaty superseded all previous declarations. This issue has been solved 70 years ago which gave the Taiwanese people their own right of self-determination by rule of law. Foreigners don't dictate the fate of the nation.
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@yury2608 Don't fantasize with lies. Search the signed declaration articles of Cairo or Potsdam. You will never find Taiwan or Formosa there. I repeat the articles of the declarations with names and signatures of the allies.
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@jackwang1238 不要幻想谎言。去搜索一下在开罗或波茨坦签署的宣言的条款。你永远不会在那里找到台湾或福尔摩莎。我再说一遍，没有一份关于台湾的正式宣言，上面有盟国的名字和签名。
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@jackwang1238 那时还没有中国。大清是国名。国民党创始人孙中山先生曾用“中国”作为国名。清政府将其交给以孙中山为首任大总统和创始人的中华民国临时政府。北洋政府是在与孙中山达成协议后才出现的，但国名是中华民国。
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@jackwang1238 当中国崛起时，台湾已经是日本帝国了。从一开始，中国和台湾就是完全不同的国家，有不同的领导人。因此，利用中国和台湾作为其一部分是一个弥天大谎。
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@jackwang1238 北洋政府之后，中华民国政府于1928年回归，以蒋介石为国民党领袖。中国共产党是执政的国民党的成员。毛泽东受国民党雇佣担任劳工部长，但因叛乱中国政府而背叛国家。中华民国政府在美国的帮助下逃往台湾。现在，中华民国政府是台湾人民选举产生的台湾民主政府。
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@jackwang1238 德国、俄罗斯、法国、韩国等国家从帝国到现在的共和国都保留着同一个名字。但是孙中山将清朝帝国改为中华民国，所以中国的历史是从孙中山 1912 年建国之日开始的。北洋政府是中华民国，孙中山是第一任总统。这和你举的例子有很大的不同。国旗变了，但国名中国没有变。唯一的变化是政府形式从中华民国变成了中华帝国，1928 年在新领导人蒋介石的领导下又变回了中华民国。所以很明显中国是一个新国家。共和国领导人没有保留清朝这个国家的名字。
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@jackwang1238 总之，台湾在 1648 年以荷兰人的名字存在，指的是傣族人的原始部落王国。但中国是在 1912 年孙中山的构想下在清帝国之后崛起的。顺便说一句，在 1912 年中国独立之前，台湾早在 1895 年就已与日本帝国统一。因此，直到 1949 年蒋介石政府逃往台湾之前，台湾与中国没有任何联系。叛军还利用孙中山的中国宣布成立自己的共产主义共和国。事实很重要。
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@杰克马-u3d 1.《开罗宣言》: 错误，因为没有盟友签署的文件 2.《波茨坦公告》:事实：这是关于从日本皇军手中解放出来的 3. 中国驻日占领军备忘录 : 错误是因为日本没有关于中国占领的备忘录。事实上，美国命令蒋介石暂时接受日本投降，仅限于中国、台湾和越南，直到1952年签署和平条约，台湾享有自决权 4.钓鱼岛和琉球群岛居民在美国同意下决定重新加入日本
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@xbklibry3089 China was born in 1912 by the US educated founder Sun-Yat-Sen. Before China, the country name was The Great Qing, the Manchu colonizer of Han Ming dynast. So, to be clear there was no China before 1912. Taiwan existed as a state since 1648 when the Dutch made negotiation with Tai people kingdom.
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@马嘉伟-y8g China (since 1912) had nothing to do with Japan's cession. It was the Qing Empire of the Manchu colonizers in 1895 who had dealings with Japan Empire. That's the first point. Everything is based on the rule of law. That is the indisputable fact.
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@Sus-zk5zq What's your point in citing that treaty? I can't comment if you are a joke.
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@马嘉伟-y8g Qing nation after colonizing many territories when China was not even born yet. It is never a Chinese history but a 5000 year old history of Dynasty from the fist Xia (the very smally part of the yellow region) to the last Qing dynasty of the Machus. China was after the Xinhai revolution against the Qing nation. So, it's misconception of using the Chinese nation or China. And Taiwan which was named by the Dutch in 1648 to refer the tribal states of the indigenous Tai people.
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@Vior1910 No one can invent a history except those liars. My comments are from the documented facts. Come back to me which one you are in doubt then I'll guide you where to find the documented fact.
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@tarkshans 我认为这里没有任何逻辑。这都是基于有据可查的事实的国际法。学习和教育。
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@ayklm-s5h 1912年中国诞生之前，台湾就被命名为1612年。所以你的评论无关紧要。
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@兵吴是的，台湾是亚洲自由民主第一的国家。全世界都支持台湾免受非法主张。
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@兵吴在 1912 年中国诞生之前，台湾在 1895 年就已经是一个独立的国家。接受事实教育。
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@-Shubo- Taiwan territory was a permanent territory of Japan since 1895. China as a country was born in 1912. So no relation at all.
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@BravoBrakas some are brainwashed little pinks.
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@cobrajm The USA occupied Japan including Taiwan after the world war in 1945. Japan did not cede Taiwan to any country or government in 1952 peace treaty. Therefore, Taiwan was free and independent from Japan since 1952 for self-determination according to the UN Charter laws. RoC government was used to legalize the Taiwanese who lost legal status as Japanese citizens/residents when Japan left Taiwan.
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@cobrajm Legally, there was no China yet when Qing country signed to stay away from Taiwan forever in 1895 treaty with Japan. China country by RoC was born in 1912 fighting to the territories against provinces of Qing led by warlords and communists supported by Russia. So in short, Taiwan was already an independent territory ruled by local leader. Therefore a claim by China has no legal basis.
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@cobrajm The Qing from Manchu were colonizers of the Hans who took the north territories of the Ming and eventually conquered all the hans. At that time, Taiwan was already an self-ruled island with local leaders.
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@cobrajm The original 1947 RoC constitution did not include Taiwan as at that time Taiwan as part of Japan was under the occupation of the US. The presence of CKS troops as occupier in Taiwan was under the order of the US president in 1945 to Japanese troops in the Instrument of surrender. The RoC government had remained as occupier of Taiwan until the democracy in 2000 participated by Taiwanese people. That's the legality of Taiwan.
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@cobrajm The US occupied Japan including Taiwan in 1945. Chiang Kai Shek military troops in Taiwan followed the US order to Japanese troops in Taiwan. PRC is still the illegal government of China under the RoC original constitution. Therefore according to RoC constiution, the Chinese people of China have all the rights to govern themselves by democracy as original the original principle when China was founded in 1912.
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@cobrajm 自 2000 年以来，台湾已由台湾人民通过民主自由选举进行治理。台湾按照中华民国宪法的附加条款作为一个国家进行管理。中华人民共和国仍然是中华民国原始宪法下的中国非法政府。因此，根据中华民国宪法，中国人民拥有一切权利，以民主方式自治，这是中国 1912 年建国时的原始原则。
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@cobrajm 辛亥革命的目的是驱逐清朝满族，建立汉族政权。孙中山在美国人的指导下，于1912年建立了汉族主导的中国。
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@cobrajm 首先我们同意，1912 年时，台湾不是孙中山所认定的中国的一部分，也不是袁世凯北洋政府的一部分，也不是蒋介石政府的一部分。显然，1949 年的共产党中华人民共和国与台湾毫无关系。
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@cobrajm 全球十五亿华人，并不支持中共现在对邻国发动战争的侵略行为，华人与全世界人民一样，都希望自己的人民能够安居乐业，过上民主自由的生活，所以台湾已经是一个民主国家，是华人在中国自由生活的非常好的模范国家。
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@cobrajm 台湾与其他国家关系良好。事实上，台湾护照目前在护照指南指数中排名第 35 位。它提供 142 个国家的免签证待遇，而中国排名第 66 位，只有 81 个免签证旅游目的地。
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@cobrajm 香港作为前英国殖民地，拥有特殊签证地位。然而，香港人民因自由受限而遭受了很多苦难。
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@mandjaco-y9i You are reading only the trolls not the real people.
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@metalvideos1961 No one agrees PRC's interpretation of their one-China policy. In the rule of law, there is no basis therefore it is illegal claim.
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@metalvideos1961 There was no China country during the dynasty. China was used by SunYanSen's RoC in 1912 when Taiwan was already a Japanese terrritory since 1895. Saying Taiwan is part of China is a complete lie.
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It was the island self-rule by Tungking Kingdom from the Zhengs, the Ming Loyalist who fled to Taiwan after the fall of the MIng government in 1644.
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台湾有自己的独立政府，首先是台湾人，后来是欧洲人。清朝人民逃往台湾和东南亚寻找更好的生活。他们没有返回，而是选择永久居住在台湾。
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PRC never rules territories beyond the seashore.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm Constantine was the emperor of the entire Europe and middle east. In 286 CE, Emperor Diocletian decided to divide Rome into two sections to try and stabilize the empire. No such thing happened in Taiwan. Besides, there was no China yet. The name of the country was the name of the dyanasty and people of dynasty maybe Han people majority. The Qing was a Manchu colonizer of MIng dynasty. The country of China was from Sun Yat Sen republic in 1912 where Taiwan was already a Japanese since 1895.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm PRC has no legal basis to claim Taiwan. RoC has the legitimate historical claim of China because they never turned over the government to PRC. RoC got the government transfer from Qing dynasty. So in short, PRC's claim on Taiwan is illegal. RoC's claim on China is legitimate.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm There was no China during the dynasty. China was officially used by SunYatSen's ROC in 1912 when Taiwan was already a permanent territory of Japan. PRC has proclaimed very late in 1949 with limited rule in the stolen territories in China only. So, no comparison with the Roman Empire which ruled many countries.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm Before going further with your BS, Roman Empire was comparable to Ming or Qing dynasty which ruled on many smaller kingdoms within the mainland they conquered and colonized. The Manchu Qing defeated the Han MIng and expanded the territories further colonization. With the fall of the Roman Empire, Italy emerges as a country. Similar to the dyanstic period when the fall of the last dynasty, China became the name of the country. There was no China and Italy during the dynasty and empire period. That's the fact.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm Taiwan is completely different island with its own history completely no relation with China when it refer by PRC government which was only formed in 1949. At that time, Taiwan had been unified with Japanese country for over 50 years. Not a single relation with PRC-China and Taiwan as ZEro and Nada.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm The two Chinas in dispute is between the RoC - the original successor of the Qing dynasty vs PRC - the pirate government formed by the rebels. The dispute was the territories of the Qing dynasty. Clearly Taiwan was already out of the dispute when Taiwan was already Japanized in 1895 before China emerged.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm You said "As for the international law, the UN admit Taiwan is the territory of China and PRC as the legitimate Chinese government. " This claim is based on LIES. No document exist like this.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm Your historical perspective is non-sense to apply with PRC which was proclaimed by the rebels in 1949. Taiwan was already a well developed economy 2nd only to the mainland Japan.
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@Bamboo-fk5dm The UN resolution 2578 was about the stealing of the UN seat from RoC by PRC to represent as government of China - the territories legally inherited from the Qing. Don't drag Taiwan into it because the Qing had permanently ceded the sovereignty to Japan in 1895 about 17 years ago when China was proclaimed by RoC. All this BS floating around is illegal based on lies. .
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@Bamboo-fk5dm The Italian kingdom emerged after the collapsed of the Roman empire. The kingdom was fragment part of the vast Roman Empire. The similarity was emerging of China by the idea of Sun-Yat-Sen from the collapse of the Qing Empire. China did not control the Qing territories because of competition warlords. The Republic of China became headed by a general in his own Beiyang government. They later he changed the republic into a an Empire of China. Then internal wars happened with the new leader of China republic fighting territories with warlords and the communists. The China history was years of blood and tears costing ove100 million people in war related death for over 40 years until the seizure of the communist republic in 1949. Throughout the history of China, there was no connection of Taiwan - the self-governing state of Japan until it's independence in 1952. So please know the true history and documented facts.
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那是一个谎言。真相。中国领土被中华民国共产党叛乱分子掠夺。
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The US was the country who helped China to trade with free countries.
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Not China but the leaders of different rulers. China was a colony of the Manchus before the civil war.
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Taiwan is never part of China. However the ROC government in Taiwan has historical claim of taking back the lost territory of China.
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@light·years·away China was born in 1912. Taiwan was already the permanent territory of Japan since 1895. So there was no link or connection between the territories since the birth of China. Go figure.
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@light·years·away There was no China before 1912. China was born with the idea of western educated Sun-Yat-Sen. Before China, the name of the country was the 'Great Qing' by Manchurian colonizer..
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China was not born yet at that because the country name was Ming. Taiwan was officially used by the Dutch in 1684. The country of China was born in 1912 by Sun-Yat-Sen. Before China, the country name was 'The Great Qing' 大清
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brainwashing effect.
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@tensorsj It is opposite to party dictatorship that people are suppressed with their freedom to complain about the wrongdoings.
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The issue has been settled by Japan and USA long time ago. The Okinawans voted by referendum with the return with Japan in 1971.
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You are referring China as PRC government. So stop, no legal basis to talk about Taiwan. None at all.
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Not the same. Taiwan has already their own independent governments since day one. People from the ancient dynasty merely came to Taiwan as settlers to find better work oppurtunies.
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Wrong. Real fact : The current govt of China were former rebels against a legitimate government.
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That is a lie. The US doesn't agree with China's false claim.
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Buying properties in China is a scam because no one can buy a piece of land. Anytime, the government can take the land including the properties. It is also hard to send money out of China. Taiwanese wants to diversify their investments. Some think they will earn easy money or profits in China's investments.
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@JonySmith-bb4gx So when Singapores want to be part of China?
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Taiwan has been doing well without the sickle.
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RoC was the legitimate government of China.
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They are using the tactic of fear and intimidation. Their peace is the peaceful surrender of authority to them like HK.
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同意。该决定应基于台湾已独立 70 年的法律事实。因此，中华人民共和国应帮助台湾申请联合国席位。
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how much Xi pays you?
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wrong because there is nothing to return. China and Taiwan have been always two separate territories. The sickle wants to pirate it.
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Communist scare tactics are real by bullying with military incursions on Taiwan's territory..
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Taiwan has never been part of a sicked sickle.
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@zebapervaiz3733 It was never part of a sickle.
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@zebapervaiz3733 Historically, China is a territory stolen by the sickle by force of RoC now the current government of Taiwan.
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@zebapervaiz3733 China was the territory forcibly taken by the sickle from RoC - now the representative govt of Taiwan.
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@zebapervaiz3733 I was stating the fact and it's nothing about the logic.
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Wrong narrative. The US and allies are just reactive to deter China's aggressive action of unlawful claims of southeast Asia sea and Taiwan. China's claim is baseless and illegal.
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That answers you why the whole world is joining the US-Asian Alliance to deter the China's disastrous effect to the world economy and people's lives.
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@jiiiz-e1i Ancient history, Taiwan name was from Dutch with their native partners Tai people. People from China came by boats to find a living mostly working with western colonizers trade business.
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@zebapervaiz3733 Taiwan and China are two separate territories. The UN resolution was about the government of China only..
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@zebapervaiz3733 Based on my statement, you can educate your self by reading the resolution word by word.
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@zebapervaiz3733 so which words you found?
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@zebapervaiz3733 1. It's not an article but a UN resolution. Taiwan was not part of it. Your assumption is wrong. 2. Agree. So the US and the world do not agree with the ccp's claim. 3. It's a single party dictatorship. People cannot protest the party. 4. No proof. 5. Make sure you find evidence and documented proof.
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@zebapervaiz3733 Taiwan was not stated in UN resolution 2578. You are making your own wrong statements.
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@zebapervaiz3733 It's never a debunk when you present lies instead of documented facts.
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@zebapervaiz3733 There are no documents to support your personal opinions. All points 1 to 5 proven to be lies! Try to find with proof. Troll.
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All Chinese people are generally good and reasonable. It's the one-party dictatorship who has the greedy to over rule smaller countries.
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China has no right. Israeli owns it.
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Taiwan is a country by fact and reality.
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@chavdarnaidenov2661 Your comment has no basis therefore an ignorant assumption. Better read it and if you find any there come back and sight the constitution article. The US has ambiguous diplomacy meaning it does not agree with China's claim. The US has official law to help Taiwan and Taiwan people from external treats. That official commitment to Taiwan was prerequisite for the US opening ties with China.
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After driving away the Tungning Kingdom of the Zheng, the Qing actually forbade their people to come to Taiwan because of the natives reputation of being violent. The administration in Fujian was mainly focus in recording the illegal crossing of people going to Taiwan and later imposing interested in collecting tax on the settlers who stayed 1/3 western part of Taiwan. The 2/3 majority is controlled by tribal kingdoms. Taiwan has been visited and invaded by different foreign powers in addition to the Dutch and Spanish colonies, the French and Japanese also came in later period 1870's-1880's prompting the Qing to invade Taiwan and officially declared as province 1683-1895 despite partial control. But the Japanese fought back to defeat the Qing naval fleets in few months ending up the permanent cession of Taiwan to Japan in 1895.. The contact with mainland stopped until 50 years later when the US allowed Chiang-Kai-Shek forces to represent the Allies as temporary occupier before the the final peace treaty.
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Chinese claims have no basis because it was the Qing - the Manchu colonizers of the Mainland. The official China was born in 1912. The false claimants had nothing to do with the past.
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@AACC-n7c China was born in 1912 by the idea of Sun-Yat-Sen. So the names of the country were the names of the empire. So, the Manchu Qing Empire did not add Taiwan into their territory for 200 years of partial and limited control of the settlers only. The indigenous Kingdoms still dominate from central and eastern Taiwan. Despite partial control, the Qing official annexed Taiwan into a province for only 8 years 1887-1895. So Taiwan was never part of China (1912-present). Qing's 8 years was not China yet. The cession to Japan was permanent and forever. That's why Japan could transfer the sovereignty to another country nor to a govern in 1952 treaty. Since that time, technically Taiwan and Kore were freed and independent from Japan for their self-determination. Conclusion : Taiwan and China territories were never ruled as one Chinese government throughout the history.
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@AACC-n7c The monarchy(ies) had used their empires as the names of the country. It was only in 1912 that the country named 'China'. So that's the country of China started in 1912. That's the fact. Don't twist it. Remember, China refers to the country with the idea of restoring leadership to the Hans copying the idea of western style democratic republic from the Manchu colonizers Qing Empire.
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@AACC-n7c Conclusion : China period 1912-present. Taiwan is never part of Chinese government in China legally and reality supported documented facts. Your opinion is purely speculation based on lies without a piece of legal document.
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China is not Taiwan's motherland. People immigrated to Taiwan to have their own life independent from their ancestors.
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@zebapervaiz3733 Taiwan has its government since the beginning of time.
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@zebapervaiz3733 Taiwan name existed even before China's name.
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@zebapervaiz3733 China only appeared after KMT named it in 1912. Before it was Qing (大清). Taiwan was first used by Dutch in 1624 after the Tai tribe people of Taiwan, the Dutch partners. So, Taiwan existed before China.
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@zebapervaiz3733 The country name was Qing not China. Qing was a Manchu colonizer of Han people.
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@zebapervaiz3733 NO. China did not exist yet. It was the KMT 中國國民黨 who followed the Qing government. The KMT then used China as name.
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No communists in Taiwan and people don't want it.
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Troll.
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China and Taiwan are two different territorial lands ruled by different governments. Don't use China because it is just a land. Say it's your greedy boss.
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To be clear, Taiwan is not part of the UN's one-China.
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China has the right to stop acting as a bully trying to intimidate smaller neighbors. That is a bad image for the China and Chinese people overseas.
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Does it mean, party dictatorship is serious?
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For that reason, it is better for Chinese people from Mainland China to join hands and convince that the government PRChina should support Taiwan's application of UN seat and let the Taiwan enhanced their international particpation for better world.
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Taiwan maintain the no.1 country in Asia in freedom and democracy. Read 2023 EIU Democracy Index.
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请中国停止阻止台湾申请成为联合国正式会员国
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It should be Sickle obsession of piracy.
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Taiwan is a different territory than China. There two territories were not ruled together. Taiwanese want to keep their peaceful way of life as it is now being having their own country. Don't make misleading opinions.
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@JonySmith-bb4gx You are troll. My comment is based on documented facts.
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