Youtube comments of Kat 1515 (@Kat-fq4ei).
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Did the movie explain that California and all the SW were under Mexico's rule for only 25 years, known as the SW Mexican Period. That's about the extent of "was once Mexico"... There was no Mexico or Mexican before 1824. California, Texas and New Mexico got their names from Spain starting in 1550 to become territories of New Spain through Spains explorations by land and sea. "California" was a mythological tale in Spain extended to the New World. Texas was named after Louisiana Caddo tribes. California and New Mexico extended to Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona lands all claimed by Spain.
What are today NM, TX, CA were colonized by Spain. Towns like Santa Fe, Taos (Don Fernando), Albuquerque, Socorro, El Paso, San Antonio, Nachotiches, San Diego, San Francisco, Monte Rey were early Spanish Colonial settlements 1598-1770 of the Spanish Colonial Period of 250 years up to 1821. Nevada, Utah, Colorado were not colonized during the Spanish Period. The Amerindians were northern tribes as Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Piaute, Shoshone, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Caddo, Kiowa, Navajo, Apache Pawnee and many more.
Mexico/Mexican were late arrivals to the SW after 1824. It was Mexican officials who transplanted north after Mexican independence 1821-1848 Mexican Period. Generally Mexicans didn't migrate north until post Mexican War years approx 1880, after USA westward movement, and after the US government quelled the thousands of unconquered tribes in the SW, and placing in reservations. Mexicans established towns in CA, NM, TX border areas. Americans, settlEd in CA and NM 1821; and TX shortly after, with Mexican issued land grant settlements as Texas was vast unpopulated lands and Mexico needed settlers. Trains, the 1910 Mexican Revolution brought more Mexicans. Americans built the SW, Americans influenced the SW as well as Mexican and Chinese in California. Mexicans were deported in the 1950s. There were not a high percent of Mexicans in California until the turn of the 21st century with uncontrolled illegal migration.
Mexicans are immigrants to the USA and do not share an indigenous tribal heritage to northern tribes who are not Mexican. And Mexicans ancestors are not rooted in California, New Mexico or Texas. No parts of the SW are ancestrally Mexico. I didn't see the Hollywood movie, but sure it didn't go into SW history. My guess is its an immigrants story...
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The United States crossed Indian territory borders -- CA, TX an NM were controlled by northern tribes, it was their borders they crossed. Mexico during the 25 years it claimed these provinces never conquered the Indians. In fact, Mexico was at war with the Yaqui, Navajo, Apache, Ute, Comanche, Kiowa, the lands belonged to them, they never acknowledged Mexico. After the Mexican War, the United States defeated these tribes. Problem with the Gadson Purchase, and Treaty of G Hidalgo border is it was too far north, excluding a good part of Mexico that would have preferred the United States. Always looking north.
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In the first place, the lands were claimed by tribes for centuries, Texas was claimed by France, lands were Spains for over 250 years, Texas Republic. And Mexico for barely 25 years. In fact, Mexico became a country only 200 years ago in 1824. Mexico did not inherit Spains lands, there was never a Treaty from Spain who did not recognize independence or surrender New Spain. The attempted Treaty of Cordoba was never signed by Spains monarch.
The USA conquered Mexico, and Mexicans migrated illegally to USAs borders after the Mexican War and signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. In fact it was the USA westward movement that incentivized Mexicans migration north. Before the USA, Mexicans had no need for Texas, New Mexico or California which was just an uninhabitable barren wilderness with unconquered Indians ready to attack anyone not of their tribe... Unless within USA borders legally and mass forced illegal entry, it is an invasion... It was Americans who governed, beautified and developed California and the SW.
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Who ever made up that quote was historically challenged. It was actually Mexico who crossed the borders on inherent lands of the Navaho, Comanche, Caddo, Kiowa, Piaut , Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo and other northern tribes in today's USA. The Comanche and Kiowa constantly fought the Sonorans and Sinaloans. Fierce warrior tribes who were feared in those villages in today's northern Mexico who's lands were left in shreds by northern tribes.... Truth is Mexico had only been a nation for 25 years before the Mexican War and Mexico claimed its lands under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution of 1824. Spain never acknowledged Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova so Spain never treatied any lands over to Mexico. In fact under Mexico's first 1814 Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico which included Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. Today Mexico is what is left after the USA returned half of Mexico by the Treaty of GH. So "Mexico" since its beginning had been neither here or there. Until both the USA and Mexico negotiated a border. So that quote you mention is pretty ridiculous...
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@michaelcerean1990 You have history turned around. Mexico did not steal land from the SW Indians. There was no Mexico until about in1821, Mexico emerged out of independence from Spain. The Apache, Navajo, Comanche, and Yaqui and other northern tribes did not recognize Mexico as a sovereign nation and were at battles with Mexico for 25 years until the end of the Mexican War 1848, and after that time under United States domain. The Mexican never conquered the SW tribes or ever able to control the Indians lands 1821-1848. Consequently Mexico never stole SW Indian lands, in fact these Indians still live in their indigenous lands and are part of United States sovereign tribes. Mexico would never have claimed the SW territory if had not gained independence from Spain, so borders are neither here or there. Spain had claimed CA, NM and TX for 300 years before Johnny come late Mexicans were ever in the far northern SW scene.
The United States did not steal lands, in fact the United States conquered Mexico all of Mexico, to the extent of occupying Mexico City and part of the negotiations between Mexico and the United States was to give parts of Mexico back to Mexico and annex the northern territory to the United States for fifteen million dollars. With a peace Treaty between both nations.
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Mexican for a 25 year period. Mexico's first constitution 1815 did not include California, New Mexico (Arizona) or Texas as Mexico. Those territories were not involved in Mexican independence from Spain. Some Navaho and other California and SW tribes may have Spanish names, most were unconquered and had little contact with the Spanish and never acknowledged Mexico or identified as Mexican. In fact no one in these territories identified as Mexican until after 1821 much less the unconquered Indians who were never controlled by either Spain or Mexico. To date these northern tribes, Ute, Comanche, Shasta, Piaut, Pueblo, Apache, Kiowa plus hundreds of other tribes had little contact with the Spanish , did not and still do not identify as Mexican or mestizo, in fact many are 100% Indian. Going back to the era, from a better perspective, as for the Spanish settlers, those who lived during approximately 1821 to 1848, take a few years before and after, lived under three flags. Up to 1821 the historical flag of Spain, then some foreign soldier from very far away comes along and tells them they are now Mexican and changes the flag. A few years later another soldier comes along and tells them they're American, a new flag. True story..
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Pelosi fall asleep, she wanted to use Amendment 25 on Trump.. Oh, yes, the swamp... Pelosi, Shumer, Biden, Harris, AOC, Sanders, Pocahontas, etc that stinky swamp is pretty powerful.
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Vibin, since we're talking facts, Spain claimed parts of the US for 300 years, Mexico claimed CA, NM, TX for a brief 15 to 25 years. and US since 1848, 170 years. American continent history had been land claims, land disputes, border issues, treaties, independence, border changes, land purchases and war, conquest, and more.
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This is a bunch of Mexican pilosophy hogwash. To begin with back n 1519 when Cortez first stepped onto what is today American soil, , there was no Canada, United States or Mexico. It was a bunch of native tribes from Alaska to Argentina who were nowhere close to a united nation. Tribes don't even have a common diety within 300 miles.... Tribes were nomadic and happened to be where they were when the European arrived after centuries of displacing , if not killing off weaker tribes. Montezuma's kingdom was no further than Aztec country Tenochitlan. Cortez was seriously outnumbered, conquering Montezuma, strategically, using Montezuma's enemy tribe's to conquer Aztec tribes in their native Tenochitlan, better known as Mexico City for 500 years. In reality, tribes were violent enemies to one another within the local geography, committing slavery, rape, genocide, cannabolisn, scalping, piercing out human hearts for glory -- inhuman atrocities with their primitive weapons of destruction. Nations, borders and independence were made over two centuries later by European American colonist settlers following wars, negotiations, treaties, land disputes, purchases. Mexico is not winning anything on it's own. It's radical left wing, open borders United States politics allowing this since the 1980s with mass illegal migration. If the United States (corrupt) politicians followed the rule of law, muti-millions would still be in Mexico, where coward Mexicans do nothing for their country, instead flee to the foreign NORTH, the ingrates selfishly then wrongly claim the land was theirs. Corruption rules. Mexicans have been migrating to the north, United States, since a border was established after the Mexican War for not only economic reasons, but to escape a dictorial corrupt goverenment and 1910 Revolution. . As stated, they head to to el norte, not south. Land of the free🇺🇸 North is what the United States made and Mexicans would have no need for the foreign north without a United States or Gringo who made it, which they criticize yet the ingrates plump themselves with comfort after fleeing their impoverished homeland. What hypocracy. Mexicans are winning nothing, it's a destructive, upside down corrupt USA run by cartels in a no win situation except for the rich and powerful. It was Spains Casa's Laws of the Indies who promoted human rights for the natives. Mexico abolished slavery, the United States went to a Civil War to end slavery. But it is the United States who has given reparations to United States indigenous, has had a Bureau of Indian Affairs since the 1800s, has federal Indian Laws for the protection of US tribes who get ridiculous amounts of federal funding annually. Mexico has nothing for the natives who complain about their lands stolen by the Mexican gov. And United States Indians have no need for Mexicans, as U.S. California or SW Indian tribes never considered themselves Mexican or their indiginous lands Mexico.
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@damarindo Spain did not recognize Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain did not Treaty any lands over to Mexico. Mexico claimed its lands on paper, under its 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution. One may consider stolen as Mexico Treaty'd lands over to the USA describing a border, lands and water's. There was no such description of lands under any agreement when Mexico took Spains lands. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas were not Mexico. So Mexico's borders changed 4 times within fourty years; from no border as there was no Mexico, then the lands under Apatzingan constitution, then the 1824 constitutional border, and the 1848 border. All in all from later 1800s California had its share of immigrants; Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese and Philippines up to earlier 1900s. And California had been settled by Americans early on during the SW Mexican Period which started in 1821. Mexican soldiers were given Mexican land grants during this Period to encourage settlers, they were few as California was very distant, isolated wilderness and conditions were as uninhabitable as during the Spanish Period, very difficult to settle with dangerous unconquered raiding Indians. Americans were the most population and built Californias infrastructure. Bottom line is Mexicans were not ancestrally rooted in California, they were late arrivals in the 1800s as were Anglo Americans. European Spain was the claimant, settler and founder of early California. It was the USA government who subjugated the Indians..
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SAMUEL JESSE Those lands in Texas were settled by Americans, not Mexicans, through legal land grants and Texas gained independence the good old fashioned way by a revolution and conquest. Mexico upon independence had nationistic problems with populations in territories it claimed in the far outside northern frontier wilderness and south of Mexico too. New Mexico and California were the first to be conquered by the US and many Spanish Colonial population sided with the US, let alone the unconquered Indians of the north were opposed to the new Republic and there were bitter wars between Johnny come late Mexicans and Apache, Navajo, Yaqui trespassing their inherent lands. New Mexico Spanish Colonists even sided with Comanche,, against the Mexican army. These Indians were never conquered by Mexico. Nevertheless the lands were legally conquered by the United States. Mexico is part of western nations showing it chose to model it's independence, constitution and political system after the United States, even it's name, Estados Unidos Mexicanos. It's citizens should have no problem with conquest, a legal treaty and purchase accepted in the Western world. Mexico in 1848 accepted these terms. The Treaty of G Hidalgo mentions nothing about stolen lands. Stolen lands is promoted by Mexican factions who have no respect for anything. The lands were never historically Mexican to begin with., 15 to 25 years is nothing out of almost 500 years. Borders shifted, lands changed hands by purchase or treaty's. Who even recalls France claimed Texas for ten years. After the US defeated the southwest Indians in the 1880s and settled Indian land issues, there were no Immigration laws, Mexicans migrated hundreds of miles to the US border areas, after Indian threats were pretty much over.
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What was Mexico thinking, firing the first shot to start the war on disputed land. Mexico was just hardly a young nation unable to take care of itself and unprepared to go into an international war, fighting among itself. Was unable to manage it's core, central Mexico, taking a bigger bite than it could chew claiming the disconnected and distant northern territories out in an isolated middle of nowhere, where Mexico met much resistence. Conquest is not stealing. War is about land. The United States wanted it. Mexico didn't fight hard enough, the United States stuck it out till it was able to take the young nation, all of it, occupied it, flying it's flag over Mexico and returned half back to Mexico, it's heart, under a Treaty, not under an exaggerated gun. Mexico took the money, swallowed it, as it was in deep debt and 10 years later sold more territory under the Gadson Purchase. The annexed territories were not historically Mexico to begin with and there would never have been a Mexico if 25 years earlier that part of New Spain, what became central Mexico had not gained independence from Spain. Or perhaps Mexico stole from Spain to leftist history revisonists anti American point of view. And what did Mexico want the northern territories for, never colonized or developed, neglected and the territories were self goverened, highly taxed, forced unpatriotic Mexican citizenship who had no need for Mexico. The lands were basically real estate property. Russia other than Spain had it's claims on California, Great Britain was interested, Spain was in the process of giving land grant settlements to Americans, Spain had transferred Louisiana and Florida, American nations were formed, borders changes, treaties, purchases, independence; no longer the early days European land explorations and land claims, yet not all Indians had met conquest after three centuries. Alot going on before Mexican independence. Stolen lands is woke history revison. Lands have been conquered and nations born since time began. Mexico is no exception. It lost the war, a Treaty was negotiated between both western nations, get over it.
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Did God forget Mexicos sinful corruption both the government and cartels, and Mexican people who illegally abuse the USA and leave their children abandoned like a puppy dog to flee Mexico or leave at the hands of corrupt stangers in the barren desert. Not to mention Mexicans coveting that which belongs to the US neighbor for themselves.... Thats not the gospel.... Does God not hear daily every other disgusting cuss word coming out of a Mexicans dirty mouth... Take back what, the lands belonged to the Navaho, Apache, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Piaut, Shasta, Mohave, Chumash plus hundreds of tribes and still belong to them, sovereign lands within the USA. While Mexicos abusive government stole the native lands and is still at it... Get real, a super power Iike China with a powerful military conquered by a small corrupt Latin nation who never could put itself together. Dream on lol...
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@nb1223 Right, time changes as in United States conquest of Mexico which many Mexicans cannot let go of and want to "take back" a lie on stolen lands. War and conquest is part of world history since time began. Thats how Mexico became nation in 1821. Took the lands from Spain. Accept the Mexican War world event, the loss, change, the border. You lost nothing, the lands were not historically Mexico to begin with. Back in 1846 Mexico was a young nation who could barely manage Mexico City much less hold on and never had control the far off wilderness north which had been Spains lands. Mexico claimed California, New Mexico/Arizona, for barely 25 years, Texas 15 years. Learn the history instead of making it up. Mexicans are not God's people. Sorry, your theory is filled with false hope and too many holes. The gospel, nonsense. God will take care of the world's sinful evils at the appointed time, including Mexico.
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You need to read a history book or two... The lands were historically Spains for 300 years. Looks like Mexico had dirty hands as Spain never acknowledged "Mexico" Independence, which became a nation 1824 claimed its lands under its imperial Estados Unidos Mexicanos new constitution. Treaty's were common even prior to 1800s. Spain never treatied any lands over to Mexico. So Mexico made out royally, 25 million dollar transactions, under two Mexico/US treaties for lands Mexico claimed for only 25 years. The lands the USA annexed are not ancestrally Mexico. Mexico was a Johnny come late 1800s to California, New Mexico, Texas. And unwelcome ... Mexican are not in their lands in the USA and are immigrants. Their ancestral roots are in today's Mexico. They began migration to the US border areas after the Mexican War, following USA westward movement many Mexicans look only north. The 1910 Mexican Revolution and trains encouraged migration, much of it illegally. 95% of Mexicans are legal or illegal immigrants as the United States was never their ancestral homeland... California and New Mexico which included Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado; and Texas were provinces of the 1824 Republic of Mexico, the SW Mexican Period for only 25 years... Without historical knowledge on New Spain and it's many territories which were far and wide, disconnected, different histories, geographies, tribes, cultures; SW history can be confusing...
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@mjohnson1741 Heraldo Medrano the united states 1776 grew from the thirteen colonies to independence from great britain (english speaking) adding more territories to the united states which had been founded as an english language nation. louisiana and mississippi areas were french speaking. the point is the united states was founded as an english speaking nation eventually adding other states like california, texas and new mexico which were sparsly spanish colonial populated, had adapted to the english language and americanization in all facets of life as US citizens. there are still traces of the spanish language, but mostly gone, NM native people over a hundred years old of spanish descent speak english in SW USA, as in the south where there are still traces of the french tongue. arizona, nevada, utah, colorado were never settled until they became parts of the US, so were never colonized by spain, spain just beat france, england, russia to land claims. first settlers were anglo american in many parts of the far west after united states annexation. truth be told all the territories in america were indian tongues first. if people want a spanish speaking nation, stay in one of those spanish speaking countries.
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If not for the USA, Mexicans would have no need for the north, as after centuries, they migrated hundreds of miles from their homeland to northern border areas after the Mexican War, interestingly after the US Army quelled the Apache, Navajo, Kiowa, Comanche 1880s, who had roamed and raided the lands. Mexican came as immigrants to the US about this time, especially during the 1910 Mexican Revolution, fleeing refuge in the US.
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What rightful lands back.... CA and SW rightfully belong to Shasta, Piaute, Mohave, Chumash, Apache, Comanche, Navaho, Pueblo, Ute, Caddo plus hundreds of other tribes north of what is today Mexico. Today these inborn north tribes are not crying over Mexico, they inherently know their lands.... These northern inherent tribes hated Mexico back in the 1800s for trespassing on their lands. Ever hear of the Comanche slaughtering Chihuahua to shreds. The northern tribes claimed neither Mexico or the United States, ancient history talks..... but when push came to shove, sided with the good ole US of A... Nothing was stolen, they still live in their native lands protected by US federal Indian Law. , and those from Chihuahua, Sonora, still live in their lands, the native Mexican Indians to this day, rightful lands, are not protected by the Mexican gov. Up for grabs by the highest bidder. The 1848 Mx/US border area was out in the middle of nowhere unpopulated barren wilderness for centuries until Mexicans as well as America established border towns late 1800s after the Mexican War. Why did peasant Mexicans under a corrupt government migrate to the far away wilderness border---because of the United States, pendejo... As a Mexican the far north, homeland to the Apache, Chumash, Mohave etc was never the lands of your ancestors and johnny come late Republic of Mexico goverenment quasi claimed CA, SW for barely 25 years, 15 for Texas. Had Mexico not gained independence from Spain there would be no Mexico. In fact, Spain could have sold "Mexico" to France or Great Britain, for all we know, even Russia who had claims to CA way before Mexico.... Historical events make the world's borders. Mexico was barely a nation during the Mexican War, and not really independent until as after the War, France occupied Mexico trying to set up a monarchial Mexican system with a king y todo... Your blood is boiling over fake lands and fake history and United States tribes had no need for you yesteryear or have any need for you today. Sorry... Your Mexican people migrated to the border areas after the Mexican War, foreign immigrants to the United States.
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CA n SW were claimed by the young Republic of Mexico for barely 15 to 25 years. All of California to Florida, Cuba today's Mexico, Caribbeans, Central America, Phillipines, plus were separate parts/territories of New Spain, under Spains governance. In fact, under quasi Mexico's first attempt toward independence, its first 1815 constitution, CA, NM/AZ, TX were not included as territories of "Mexico. " These territories were not involved with Mexican independence. They were too far north, another world separated by thousands of miles of primarily uninhabitable desert, and had their own history, Indian tribes, peoples, politics, culture just as other parts of New Spain, far n wide. Under the1821 Mexico constitution, the northern territories were still to distant, isolated, middle of nowhere, unincorporated provinces and self governed. Mexico never settled the far northern wilderness with Mexicans 1821 to 1848. Few Mexicans migrated north after the Mexican/US War, to lands that were USA territories or USA states, mainly along border areas establishing towns along with Anglo Americans. In fact, Americans settled CA, NM/AZ, TX , WY, UT, CO, NV before Mexican migration... Occupied first by Indians ( migrants from Asia, etc), Spain, France. Russia had its claims on CA. Mexico was last and short lived until the USA conquered Mexico and by a legal Treaty, took control of the barren lands between both new American nations, Mexico and the USA. Too much is made over 25 years claimed by unhistorically Mexico. People are ignorant about America, it's diverse tribes,who were never one united people or the established new nations created by European independence after 1776 and it's histories ..
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Harris did not step into unfriendly territory. She was forced to face the nation in a true journalism platform; live, unedited, unbiased, with FOX interviewer holding her accountable to the American people. She still dodged questions, blamed Trump, was combative and still the same old sound bites, repeating herself, trying to run out the 30 minutes. Nothing on Harris or Biden, but plenty on blaming Trump. Lies, deflating, refuses to answer and deceipt. She's not mainstream America, no matter the dog and pony show.
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Much of what you state is historically correct. What is Mexico today is lands returned by the USA under the Treaty of GH. There was also an additional 10 million dollars under the Gadson Purchase. As subjects of Spain for 300 years the population were not considered Mexican, they were identified by Territory as parts of New Spain. They were identified as Peninsulares/Españoles, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. After parts of New Spain--Mexico City and surrounding territories, central Mexico today, gained independence and claimed Spains lands in north America that remained after loosing Louisiana and Florida , Mexico under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, it's subjects because Mexican citizens, even Americans or other living in the young Mexico at that time were Mexican. Populations from the far northern Territories; California, New Mexico /Arizona, Texas had been here, many for over two centuries so they would not have returned to "Mexico" as there was no Mexico until 1824 and what was now Mexico was never their homeland. The homeland was today's SW. The only to return to Mexico after the Treaty would have been Mexican soldiers who were given Mexican land grants as an incentive to settle in California after 1824. Whoever choose to remain in what was now the USA SW became American citizens. Mexican is not an ethnicity, Mexican is a citizenship. Many from the SW homeland rejected the Mexican government and wanted independence while being so far north were trading commercially via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri and America mountain fur traders, who were settling by 1821, building better relations with Americans than Mexicans. 25 years does not make a Mexican, many identified as Españoles as they had for centuries. And did not identify as mestizo as by the time Spain colonized New Mexico, Texas, California, starting in 1598, Spain left the majority Indians unconquered except for the NM Pueblo, so the Spanish and Indian never merged to one mestizo culture as in Latin America.
Come USA in the late 1800s, the SW Indians were protected under the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The Spanish land grants under Spain and Mexican land grants were lost to greedy Anglo land grabbing plain thieves and rich Spanish land grabbers as well, taking advantage of poor folks who did not read or write English or have the advantage of legal counsel. And a government who did not honor the Treaty of GH. Interestingly the US government was ready to take the Pueblo tribal lands, but the Indians pointed to their 1705 legal Spanish land grants issued by Spains monarch. As a protected class, the US feds honored the Pueblo tribes Spanish land grants . The Pueblo still live where the Spanish found them over 400 years ago. The Spanish American citizens lost much of their land grants because they had no protection, no voice. USA Indians are well protected under federal law, millions of dollars annually are allocated to the tribes, plus reparations-lands returned. Mexican indians get nothing from the government and their native lands are taken from the Mexican government.
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Actually Spain never recognized Mexican independence. The Crown did not sign the Treaty of Cordova 1821. Under Mexico's first constitution, Apatzingan, CA/AZ, NM, TX were not documented as Mexico. The Territories became part of Mexico under its 1824 constitution, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, the population at that time became Mexican citizens. More like imperialism. ..
Those in CA and SW lands became USA citizens under the Treaty of GH 1848. And the indigenous northern tribes still have much of their lands, sovereign, and protected under US Fed. Law. Additionally, those from Chihuahua, Sinaloa and South of the border were never ancestrally from anywhere USA today. Mexican is not a race or ethnicity, it's a citizenship. Mexicans began migrating north to border areas after USA westward movement approx 1880s. And are immigrants to the USA. These lands for centuries were uninhabitable thousands of miles of wilderness opened up in 1550s by Spains explorations by horse, ships, and European weapons. Stolen lands is nothing but political propaganda...
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Pinocchio Schiff could use a cognitive test himself, plus a psychological neurotic test too. He doesn't listen, it is Biden in question on his mental acutely, not Trump. Pathological lies all the way on Biden and Trump, typical Democrat lies and fear mongering. Biden the worst president ever and can only stand up against Trump with Democrat lies. Schiff as other Democrats blame Republicans, Trump included for their own faults, its common knowledge, eg, Trump pathological liar when Schiff himself tops all liars and is unfit himself for office. Nothing the California congressman was true, just propaganda. Trumps a criminal because Biden threw the Democrat sharks on him. Democracy is not election interference or justice only for Democrats. What crime, what victim. Biden is the dictator and king, violated his presidential oath, congress and Supreme Court. Forced vaccines, closed business, Americans lost job because of the way Biden handled covid. And more people died of covid under Biden than Trump. Biden said he would eradicate covid, a lie. Covid is endemic. Schiff has serious memory issues and really needs that cognitive test. Additionally many Democrats in political power don't agree with crooked Schiff and are questioning Bidens position as Commander in Chief in Americans interest. This guy is as much a liar as Biden. Presidents will not have dictorial power, ridiculous, they are not constitutionally above the law. Although Biden thinks he's already there.
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That's only if your ancestors were from New Mexico, Texas and California -- the original Spanish Colonial settlers 1598-1821.
And the indigenous from these areas Navaho, Pueblo, Comanche, Mohave, Ute, Caddo, Chumash, Apache, Kiowa, Cheyenne, Arapahoe, Shasta, Kumeyaay, Yumas plus hundreds of USA tribes. These are still where they were 400 years ago before European intervention.
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@oirampeceda2409 interesting Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos didn't join Hidalgo in his fights for independence, nor did they take part in Mexico City's battles or political dynamics against Spain. The Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Piaut. Pueblo, Mohave, Shasta, Chumash, Kiowa, Ute plus many more northern tribes were not Mexican. They never acknowledged Mexican intruders on their inherent lands up north and never identified as Mexican or fight for Mexican independence. Mexican is not a race, Mexican is a citizenship from the Republic of Mexico as of 1824 under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution.
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Making a mountain of a molehill. These territories were not historically Mexico to begin with. They historically were parts of New Spain which also included Louisiana to Florida, Cuba, Central America, Mexico, Caribbeans, Phillipines, plus. Spains lands . Short lived Mexican citizenship was forced upon California and SW 1824. These territories lost nothing to cry over as they became United States citizens in 1848. As far as the Navaho, Ute, Apache, Comanche, Piaut, Pueblo, Mohave, Shasta, Chumash plus hundreds of other northern tribes, they never recognized Mexico as their sovereign. Actually Mexico lost not only the territory but all of Mexico in its entirety upon United States conquest. Half was returned under the Treaty GH. More of Mexico was purchased after the War, Gadsden Purchase. Yucatan practically begged for USA annexation. Mexico was barely able to control Mexico City, much less the thousand mile away northern wilderness, quasi governed by Mexico in fact they were self governed, Mexico using them abusely to tax the land. Mexicans immigrated to border areas after the War. Never inherently from the Territory. Had it not been for an historical event, 25 years earlier, Mexican independence, the lands would never had been claimed by Mexico. And probably sold off by Spain, as Spain was negotiating with M Austin for American land grant settlements in Texas before Mexican independence... interesting also how Mexicans only look north, ignoring resource rich parts of Central America once territories of the Mexican republic. These upper latitude territories, too much land for Spain to control, were destined for the US as colonies and territories became nations two and three hundred years after early European colonization. In fact, as with all of New Spain, the cultures, history, peoples, tribes, and geography were separate and different including the separated and isolated far north up to over a thousand miles away, tierras nuevas; foreign Mexicans unwelcome 1824 and any Mexican patriotism was gone with American citizenship 1848.
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SAMUEL JESSE Spain did not claim north "Mexico" because during the Spanish Colonial Era, Mexico did not exist. All were separate explorations spanning over half a century to become different territories of New Spain and identified by separate locations within New Spain. Mexico is not even charted in old maps, yet California, New Mexico and Texas are. Spain claimed Mexico City and added surrounding territories to New Spain, later reaching Zacatecas and conquering those Indians, continued exploring far flung lands as California, Texas, New Mexico and claimed as more territories to "New Spain" . When Spain lost all of these territories, Mexico gained independence from Spain and it's goverenment claimed what formerly had been New Spain. At that time the northern territories became part of Mexico. You are conflating Spain with Mexico, different eras, different system of goverenment, Spain had it all strength, an Empire,, a monarch, money; Mexico did not. Earlier the united States became it's own country by independence and was not obligated to the British motherland, the United States was free to go to do as it wished. At the time of US Independence 1776, the United States recognized Texas, New Mexico and California as territories of Spain, later in 1821 the US recognized these as territories of the young nation of Mexico. Nevertheless Mexico lost the 45% territories within a quarter of a century. They were so far reaching from Mexico, Russia and England were out to claim them also. They were lands out in the wilderness, close to nowhere when Spain explored and claimed, and still were in 1848. France or England would have done the same, but Spain beat them to these lands. 300 years later ending up in Mexico's newly gained domain, unable to control even it's internal affairs much less was able to control the far reaching isolated frontier wilderness. Conquered by legal rights to a neighbor nation that was able to defeat the Indians and settle lands with them, and develop the 45% lands to good use and make them part of a great nation. Mexico did not conquer the SW Indians in a 25 year period, the United States conquered within 20 year's. One can only speculate what Mexico, with it's inept corrupt goverenment, failing it's citizens would have done with an isolated wilderness, the unconquered Indians themselves were plenty trouble and Mexico if by any smarts would have sold to the United States or Russia. Had the United States kept all of Mexico instead of giving parts back, Mexicans would have little to cry over, but not all Mexicans are crying, it's particular factions making all the noise.
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@GiligamerMC The lands Mexico lost by United States conquest was not historically Mexico or Mexican lands. Mexico only claimed the lands because of independence from Spain, so Mexico was not even in the picture until 300 years after Spanish exploration and claims to Spanish territories. Had Spain sold the upper latitude northern lands to the United States prior to Mexican independence, Mexico never would have claimed the lands. Spain had already agreed to allow Anglo American land grant settlers to Texas prior to independence. As it was, after 25 years under Mexico, Mexico never bothered to conquer the Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Yaqui who basically controlled the territories. There was no lost love over sold territories back in 1848, but alot of money was made by Mexico over the purchase who was pretty fortunate that Spain had abdicated the territories. There weren't even Mexican populations in the annexed territories, they were all over in what is Mexico today. Basically the United States military had no one to fight the battles in the northern annexed territories, Mexicans were not from CA, AZ, NM, TX. They came much later after conquest of the Indians and better living conditions in a harsh environment to unpopulated border areas and migrated further north later for jobs.
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@HSSANITO The populations were not inherently "Mexican" , they became Mexican citizens under the new nation of Mexico 1824, Estados Unidos Mexicanos under their new Constistution. Every citizen in the SW whether Indian, Anglo or of Spanish or French or any other european descent became Mexican citizens under the new flag of Mexico's Republic whether or not they claimed patriotism to Mexico which was a problem for the Mexican goverenment the further away the territories were from Mexico City including Guatemala which also had been claimed by Mexico. Almost as quickly as SW territories became Mexican citizens 1824-1848, they then became US American citizens after the Mexican War. Hispanic is a 1960s US Census Bureau classification under President Nixons Administration "Hispanic" promoted by California Mexican American immigrant bureaucrats; and Chicano began as a Los Angeles Mexican American immigrant group stemming from the political racist Brown Berets movement in the 1960s. It was Mexico who crossed the borders as the SW lands were inherent to the northern latitude Indians tribes who still controlled the lands in the 1800s , today protected by United States law and members of sovereign nations within the US. These Indians never accepted Mexico as their country. Today there are just pockets of the sparse Spanish populations inherent to the SW prior to 1821 in fact the only non immigrant of Spanish ancestry in the United States other than Florida or Mississippi areas. These did not migrate or go through the immigration process, crossed no borders, no green cards. Families in the United States for hundreds of years. Opposed to Mexican Americans who migrated to the United States after the Mexican War , starting by establising towns in border areas after 1880, later the Mexican Revolution brought in waves of Mexicans, the Immigration Reform Act in later decades and more recent disregard for US rule of law and open borders.
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@erick2214 You are way off, it was not Mexico or Mexican who explored and introduced Christianity to the western world. It was Spain. By the time Mexico and Mexican citizens came along, 1824, Independence from Spain, Spain had 300 years prior, explored from what is today Vera Cruz to Mexico City by 1521, then explored towards the west to the Gulf of Cortez, then later to Zacatecas spanning 40 years, simultaneously another Spaniard Peninsular explorer, Coronado explored what are today Arizona, New Mexico and Texas all the way up to Kansas. And yet another exploration, Spain claiming California and Pacific coast. All were different explorations and claimed by Spain at different intervals. To become different territories and parts of New Spain along with Florida, Mississippi areas, Louisiana, Pacific coast, Caribbeans, Philippines, plus. Spain established a caste system of Peninsulares/ Espanoles, Criollos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. But no Mexican. The territories were New Spain but no Mexico. Had England beat Spain to claim what is today Mexico, you can bet your bottom dollar the English would have killed you off and relocated the rest to the far off desert and Mexico would not exist. And what are today Mexican indians/European would not be mestizo, instead metis, a mixture of Anglo and Indian and English would be the language, much like the Shawnee and Lenape and other tribes . You see, histoical events determine today's world. Had the European never come, you'd be pure whatever your tribe. Tenichotilan was renamed Mexico City by Spain, so there would be no Spanish influenced named city. And all of what is today Mexico would still be known by the indigenous names who would still be scalping, cannabolizing, and at war with one another. In other words there would be no Mexico, "Indian" would be unknown, "one people" would not be, there would be no Mexican pride. America was one continent of enemy tribes who competed in localized geographical area, were at war, slaved, and influenced by their geography, had different religions, gods, languages and much of what is today called Mexico had no pyramids. The territories to become Mexico is influenced by the European world. But Mexican and Spanish are not to be conflated. Same soil which changed hands like much of the world, different goverenment system, different era and many times Mexican are anti Spanish toward the European that gave them language, Catholic religion and influenced the name of their country, Mexico. No, Mexicans did not explore or bring Chrstianity to the indigenous, Spain did. Mexico is a Johnny come late.
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Get it right, it's actually Biden that wasn't even yesterday's man. Lost, confused, senile, blank. And the Democrat media CNN, MSNBC, and corrupt politicians fooled ya for years. In fact if not for Bidens comical debate, Democrats would still be lying to you, he'd still be on the Democrat ballot. Trump is still in the race fighting for democracy under our constitutional republic. Biden is senile and Kamala acts like she's senile. No better than Biden... Not only are Democrats corrupt, they have made a mockery of America, the world is in tune to the antics of the anti American Democrats--media, politicians, voters.
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Along the same lines, the indigenous Amerindian has culturally appropriated European cultures in the United States. Fruits, vegetables, wheat, livestock, horse, Spains Laws of the Indies and Spanish legal land grants to the SW Indians, money, Christianity, Chrstmas, Easter, military, US flag, Constitution, voting rights, liquor, language, clothing, Red Skins - sports, tribal government, cultual pride, enterprises, museums, refined arts and culture, education, sovereign lands, Congessonal and Cabinet political power, tax paid tribal funding by European based government, English language is the common language among US tribes, federal Indian Law, and what not... They are as much European cultured as they are indigenous and the early European settlers and Indians shared food, shelter and cultures. The Black slaves brought to America centuries ago are totally Americanized, culturally appropriated. Were given the opportunity to return to Africa, and chose to be appropriated.
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@xavi4694 Speak of ignorance, Mexico is not a state, it's a nation---since 1821. It was formed as part of New Spain, not Mexico. New Spain may not have had colonies but it had many different territories from Cuba to Philippines, Central America, California to Florida, today's Mexico. New Spain had a viceroy who answered to the King in Spain, never independent from Spain, . Look at any New Spain map and there is no Mexico. You're conflating Spain with Mexico. What is today Mexico had been several territories of New Spain, the native people were conquered becoming subjects of Spain and answered to Spain for three centuries. they were not independent until 300 years after 1521 when several of New Spains territories became Mexico. . The people were subjects of Spain until 1821 regardless of the riches and affluence Spain brought to Mexico CITY/Tenochitlan in the sixteenth century during an era when there was no European in what is today the United States, the English did not colonize Jamestown until 1610, fourty years after St Augustine Florida in 1565 and 1598 in New Mexico, territories of New Spain also. And almost 90 years after Mexico CITY in the territory of Tenochitlan, land of the Aztec. So naturally there were only buffalo in what became Great Britains colonies at that early time in American history of the 1500s . "Mexico" was never a nation and never independent from Spain until 1821.And it was Spain as it's conqueror who influenced and developed New Spains territories under Spains viceroy. The same land as Mexico of 1821, a new era, a different goverenment, never had the world power, world influence, world empire or world money as Spain had once held... In 1824, the young Mexico formed it's nations constitution under Estados Unidos Mexicanos with it's brand new Mexican flag no longer under Spains flag. The young Mexican government was not monarchial like Spain, rather a western world Republic, born a poor mestizo nation with a corrupt dictorial goverenment, having many conflicts and revolutions, who's citizens were unpatriotic, it's poor soldiers were not beholden to Santa Ana rather to their humble impoverished villages. No comparison to the United States who became a nation in 1776 and by the 1800s had founded a great nation, had a powerful military with advanced weapons, Mexico barely a nation easily conquered. Spain and Mexico were as different as Great Britain and the United States. Each went to battle the European mother land becoming independent and no longer under it's yoke. You're dreaming steam, a native from New Spain did not have the same rights as a native from Madrid, a New Spain European colonist had more rights than a native, all under a caste system of Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. Natives in New Spain were even branded back in the 1500s.
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@xavi4694 . I'm far from all wrong..... Problem is it was not Mexico's Empire, it was Spains Empire, a world power for over two centuries which was gone by 1800. Wrong, they were not Mexican during that time. Under Spains rule, they were classified as Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto, but there was yet no Mexican. Spain did find 1519 a mexica Aztec from Tenochitlan which Spain called the valley of Mexico (CITY). The New Spain territories were full of non-mexica tribes, so by nature there was no county/empire of Mexico, as only a fraction of the Indians in what is today Mexico were mexica/Aztec. . Spain knew the territories as Kingdoms of -- Mexico, Nuevo Leon, Estramadura, Galacia, Yucatan, etc. There would be no Mexico today if Great Britain, France or Russia had claimed the territories never to rename Tenochitlan, Mexico City. There would be no Mexico todsy if in 1800, France had not invaded Spain resulting in Spain putting it's energy and resources in Europe, loosing America , Spain, no longer an empire, lost it's New Spain territories in bits and pieces, Louisiana, Florida Mexico, today's SW, Philippines, Cuba, Central America. Before Mexican independence, SPAIN was in the process of allowing Americans to land grant Anglo settlements in its far north Texas territory-Spain/US borderland, through M Austin, having lost it's great empire before 1800. The US, Great Britain, France dealt with Spain and it's monarchial system and after 1821 with Mexicos Republic. Spain by 1800, had too much land and limited resources when Mexico became a it's own nation ,1821. You fail to mention that Mexico City or Tenochitlans Kingdom of Mexico Territory was was Spains only territory with all the impressive wealth and riches to later become the nation of Mexicos heart and core. In fact you don't mention alot. It was Mexico, not Spain who was conquered by the United States. It was the United States who occupied Mexico City in 1848, all those 300 year old universities, hospitals, libraries, palaces and blablabla then belonged to the United States through conquest, the United States flew the red, white and blue 🇺🇸 over Mexico City, returned the land to Mexico under the US, Mexico Treaty. The United States didn't need all those 300 years old impressive buildings and property ... . The United States was self made, Europe did not make it. Mexico was born impoverished in 1821, just barely a nation in diapers, was in serious War debt, it's soldiers were unpaid, untrained and starving and MEXICO could not hold it together. Mexico was not even truly independent until the 1860s, Europe still had it's power over Mexico. Forget Spain, it was gone before the Mexican War and didn't even give a helping hand to Mexico. Of course Mexico kicked out Spain/Peninsulares after independence, Mexico had no need for Spain even before 1821, battled Spain for a decade and many Mexicans have no need for Spain, Cortez or even Malinche... In fact, Spain is a dirty word to many Mexicans. Von Holbdt explorer and mapper and given his intellect, certainly knew the political climate of his day in America, as a mapper was certainly aware of New Spains territories, and later independence of Mexico as a new nation; yet had been given permission to enter Spains territories by Spains European monarchs prior to Mexican independence. Van Holbdt was impressed by the Kingdom of Mexico territory, Aztec country/Mexico City, many times called "Mexico" specific to that area. If Von Holbdt was so impressed, a great part of Mexico City came from European Spain. And Spain was influenced by the Arabs , who were highly advanced in the arts, science, math, etc bringing these to America. Takings things out of context does no good. Racial integration is an exaggeration. New Spain always had it's caste system, the Peninsulares were superior, followed by their American born children,-crillos, mestizo was a little better, Indians and mulattos were at the bottom: later under the Mexican regime starting in 1821 race was always a problem and the cause of many revolutions. No one is arguing the advances in mesoamerica by the Aztec and Mayan, prior to the Spanish. Archeological discoveries are focused on these native tribes. But they do not comprise all of New Spain indigenous who were not advanced and most still living in the stone age, were not Aztec mexica tribes which were just a portion of New Spain, there were hundreds upon hundreds of enemy tribes slaughtering each other throughout New Spain....And would still be slaughtering each other if not for European intervention. New Spain was heavily influenced by Spain - language, religion, European culture and all those Mexico City European buildings-palaces, castles, hospitals, cathedrals, blablabla brought by Spain through conquest especially in the Tenochitlan or Kingdom of Mexico TERRITORY and surrounding Kingdoms areas, central Mexico today, during an era when there was no nation of Mexico. . Nevertheless the Mexico of today, or parts of New Spain developed into it's own country "Mexico" centuries after its indigenous were conquered by Spain. History is history but Indians from Jamestown and all parts of the United States are protected under Federal Indian law; many lands, rivers, mountains etc have been returned, reparations are the norm, USA Indian tribes receive ridiculous amounts of annual federal funding, while those Indian tribes in Mexico with all their equal rights , have had their indigenous lands taken from them, having no say on the matter. And for all those two utopiac centuries of all races having equal rights in New Spain prior to the USA, many Mexican citizens fled Mexico to the far off wilderness , United States border after the War and continued to flee to the US during the Mexican Revolution.....you need a history lesson instead vof pulling stuff off the internet.
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That's how wars work, the USA was not going to wait around for Mexico to get their act together. Mexico wanted to be a nation and Mexico was the crook here. Spains focus was in Europe at that time, battling France and Spain did not want to loose what was left of New Spain. It had already Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. Spain refused to acknowledge Mexico's independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova, and never Treaty'd its lands to Mexico. Mexico piggy backed what was left of New Spain. Mexico listed Spains lands as Mexico under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824 constitution, Mexico stealing the lands imperialisty but was unable to manage them. Spain and Mexico battled for a decade after independence. The USA was strategic and had better rifles facing the odds of battling on Mexico's turf and outnumbered. USA occupied Mexico and flew the USA flag over Mexico City. That's victory. Even returned half of Mexico, it's heart and core... The USA was not obligated to pay Mexico, victor always takes the spoils. It's written in man's DNA , Mexico is no exception. Mexico lost the war, and lost lands that historically were Spains lands. Interestingly it was convenient for Mexico to Treaty with the USA to define its lands, waters and border, yet 25 years earlier it had no need to a Treaty whatsoever with Spain to define anything. Mexico played dirty. And really had no need for California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas. They were just real estate money for Mexico who was party to two transactions of 25 million dollars. Not bad for stolen lands...
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Just goes to show what little Mexican presence was in California as well as New Mexico/Arizona and Texas. These territories were not involved in Mexican independence, they were too far north from other parts of New Spain. Upon Mexico's first attempt at independence, Mexicos first 1815 constitution did not include these territories as Mexico. Not to conflate the Spanish Colonial settlers of this era from these territories with the Mexican Period. Mexican citizenship was mandated after 1821 under Mexico's 1824 constitution, Estados Unidos Mexicanos. These distant territories fell under Mexico's control after independence. It was mostly Mexican officials who transplanted to the far isolated wilderness north settlements. Texas brought in Americans to settle under land grants to populate vast lands and fight off the Comanche. There were no transplanted Mexican militaries in New Mexicos northern Spanish settlements, Kearney took NM without a single bullet shot. Mexican soldiers were transported to Texas to battle the Alamo, San Jacinto and the the US. Texas also was sparsely populated by Canary Island Spanish settlers. California tòo was sparsely populated by Spain. These were neglected and unincorporated Mexican provinces during the brief Mexican era. Interestingly, these Spanish subjects under the Spanish Colonial era lived under three flags during the transfer to Mexican citizenship, Spains fĺag of 250 years, Mexico's flag of 25 years-10 years for Texas and the USA flag after 1848. Referred to by SW historians as the Spanish Colonial Period, the Mexican Period and the Territory Period for New Mexico. Statehood for Texas and California. Not many years ago there were still folks around to tell the story of Mexican foreign soldiers from far away who brought the news of Mexican citizenship, replacing Spains flag with the Mexican flag, then a few years later another US soldier came by informing all they were now American citizens under a new flag. Folks need to go back to the day to get a perspective of the era. Mexicans migrated north after the Mexican War. It was the prosperity of the United States that many only look north. Had there been no USA the north would still be a barren desert wilderness. Where were they during the Mexican War, not up north. Now they greedly want to claim what was not theirs historically to begin with..
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@raulelenes4194 Nonesense. Thats ridiculous. Your story would be believabe to anyone who is uneducated on the SW.... Northern New Mexico in particular was the first Spanish Colonial towns in New Spains tierras nuevas up in the far north since1598. The only assimilation were the Pueblo tribes, conquered and Catholized. Much of your story is incorrect as you mix all these tribes making it look like everything was favorable between the native SW Indians and Mexicans. Not so. To begin with the NM Spanish Colonial settlers had no ties to the Mayo or Yaqui who were native tribes from Sonora, Sinaloa, Durango. Some Yaqui were brought north up to today's Arizona, at that time was New Mexico, during the late 1700s by missionaries which were dismantled by Spain. The Yaqui and Mayo were totally separate from the Navaho and numerous Apache tribes who were closer in proximity to today's Mexico than the northern Pueblo NM tribes. There was no Arizona territory under Spain. And the Apache n Navaho where far removed from the northern Spanish, being unconquered enemies, raiding NM until 1880s. And boy, did the Apache, Comanche and Kiowa give Mexico torture 1821-to at least 1860. They raided deep into Mexico killing in El Paso, Durango, Chihuahua, Sonora, villages along Yaqui streams, Concho River. Pillaging ranches and mines. Scalping hundreds of heads. So much for assimilation.... To begin with Spain didn't have control over the Indians, except for the Pueblo tribes in NM. And not much berries in California or Texas. On the other hand, US soldiers and Indians toward the east from Comanche lands were permitted hunting on the lands. Also the Comanche had good relationships with the Republic of Texas and Nuevomexicanos. So its your story thats nonsense. The only Spanish settlements in New Mexico were in the north for over 250 years, from Socorro up to Taos, most along the Rio Grande, home to most Pueblo tribes. These peoples be they Spanish or Indian had no connection to Sonora, Sinaloa, Nuevo Leon, Coachuila , Tamalpais.
Approx late 1800s , Mexicans migrated north to border areas. In New Mexico , these towns, southern NM, were 300 miles from northern NM, they were Mexican settlement towns having a heritage, culture and families connected to Mexico. New Mexico was totally barren for over 300 miles to El Paso during the Spanish Colonial Period until approximately 1880, this was past the SW Mexican Period. New Mexico has two cultures Spanish north and Mexican south. Spanish New Mexico preserved the Spanish heritage, was not mestizo in culture as the Spanish did not generally mix with Indians, and the thousands of Indians were unconquered, 100% Indian. Most of the blood mixture was by capturing of one or the other. California and Texas were also SW Spanish Colonial territories and histories are similar to NM but they were close in proximity to different tribes. These territories did not participate in Mexican independence or were part of Mexico City's political dynamics against Spain. Yet Mexico took quasi control of these New Spain lands and mandated Mexican citizenship after 1821 independence, these inherently knew they were not Mexican as well as the Indians. The native Spanish colonists were not necessarily patriotic to Mexico as to Spaim, sided with Americans and became American 1848. Neither do they celebrate Mexican Independence Day. Or are culturally Mexican as those from Chihuahua, Sonora, Nuevo Leon, etc. There really was no historical connection except for New Spain governed by Spain. New Spain was many Territories far and wide, including Cuba, Central America plus much more. My previous comments are historically correct.
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@GabrieldeCastilla-lk2jr You must be totally unaware, but Texas gained independence from Mexico, did you ever learn of the Alamo. And Texas became its own Republic of Texas after victory at the Battle of San Jacinto. Just 15 years after Mexico became a nation after Spains 300 years of controlling New Spain, so it was not Mexican land rather Spains territories. Texas History 6th grade education... The land in question was disputed land... Mexico claimed it as well as Texas by conquest, Texas later annexed by the USA. So there was no invasion, Americans were on land they claimed. Mexico fired the first shot and started the Mexican War.
USA Indian reservations far from concentration camps. In fact USA Indian reservations are sovereign nations and self governed tribes. And protected under USA Federal Indian Law and Indian Acts, have rights to reparations and many have been awarded and still are recipients of returned lands and waters by the US, plus they get millions of dollars of ridiculous amounts of US federal tribal funding annually, jealous..... USA Reservation Indians come and go as they please as US citizens under US freedom under the US Constitution; except on their reservations where they are subject to their own tribal rules as sovereign nations--each tribe has their own government. So you obviously have no clue on the torture of human in concentration camps in Germany. Much less do you know the system of sovereign nations within the USA and are a full of rubbish anti-American. Who fed you the garbage on concentration camps, no comparison, and worse yet you believed them with no ability to reason or think for yourself....
By the way some of these tribes like the Comanche and Kiowa bitterly hated Mexicans and attacked Sonora and Sinaloa back in the 1800s after independence when Mexico claimed the indigenous northern lands of tribes such as Navaho, Mohave, Chumash, Shasta, Piaut, Pueblo, Ute, Shoshone, Apache, Kumeyaay, Cheyenne plus other tribes. In the 1880s these tribes belonged to no nation as USA or Mexico, are today USA tribes and have nothing to do with foreign tribes on their lands just as in ancient times before European intervention in what is today the American continent. There was no Mexico until 1821 and at that time the Mexican government stole your indigenous lands and is still confiscating and Mexican indians are at odds with Mexico...
Looks like you're totally ignorant on the Mexican War and US American conquest along with inborn human instintual rule where victor takes the spoils, as always throughout the centuries, written in mans DNA. . Your ancestors killed off weaker tribes and thats how you survived thru the centuries... so why hypocritically point to the US... In fact, If Mexico had not claimed independence from Spain 1821, there would be no Mexico.
It's you playing with words and twisting history to childish robbery of Mexico... And ridiculous concentration camps. The Spanish and English encountered hundreds of tribes living in the land, today north America -- USA, Mexico , Canada, which they documented. No terra nullis whatsoever. Most Phillipines died of disease during the Phillipine American War and atrocities hit both, shedding blood on both sides, typical in war... So you don't know your head from your toes...
. Grow up...
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You're upside down. Mexico started the war, lost and was conquered. Those are the rules of nature. Winner takes the spoils. Been happening since the beginning of time, nations all over the world are born by war and conquest. In the very same way Mexico battled Spain to gain its own independent nation. Mexico is nothing special or exempt from wars and innate rules. Nothing was stolen except for the Mexican goverenment stealing the lands of the natives after independence. Where are their reservations....
It's not the fault of the US that Mexico was unprepared for international battles, was in deep financial debt, had outdated weapons, was trying to govern it's people on shaky grounds, just hardly a nation of barely only 25 years still in diapers.... Mexico today is fortunate to have a country. The United States conquered, seized all of Mexico, occupied and controlled the land, the Mexican goverenment was in panic upon conquest and fortunate the United States returned half the country cause the United States could have taken all of Mexico had it wanted it. Mexico was far from sparsely populated with millions of people, in fact the Mexicans outnumbered Americans fighting on Mexican lands. The young Republic of Mexico 1824 itsef was imperialist claiming all lands to the far away north (California to Texas) and Central America. So imperialist, it refused 25 million dollars in payment for the northern lands it lost to war and conquest anyway. The United States got the land it wanted, which was way out in the wilderness, neglected by Mexico. The United States made no attempt for more Mexican land. Yucatan begged the United States to annex it, US refused. Imperislism, what about Mexico, Chiapas was part of Central America stolen by Mex. And what about Centra America, it was claimed by Mexico and and broke away. Has Mexico no shame lol. It claimed California and SW, who didn't want or need Mexico. Take the sty out of your eye before so you can clearly see the sty in your brothers eye... The truth is parts of New Spain was lands to become claimed by Spain, territories overtime purchased, treatied, borders disputed, borders changed, independence, wars, conquest, republics, nations all part of the making of the American continent. For the disgusting country the United States is, it is the greatest country in the world. People from all over the world are migrating illegally. No one is saying, let's go to Mexico. In fact, Mexicans have been migrating to the US since 1880, escaping poverty, corruption and a Mexican Revolution.
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Octovio Barajas Loaiza Armed people go to your house and kick you out is no analogy. To begin with Mexico fired the first shot on disputed land stemming back to the Battle of San Jacinto between Texas and Mexico. Americans were on disputed soil, a grey area claimed by both. Mexico had no more rights on the land than USA. The USA won the Mexican American War by conquest in 1848 in the same way Mexico defeated Spain in 1821 and life goes on. In fact the infant Mexico was just barely a brand new Repubic, didn't have the preparedness or experience of a nation by the time the Mexican American War came along.
Had Mexico not gained independence 25 years earlier there would not have been a Mexico in 1824. Into the 1800s Spain had lost it's empire, handed over the borderlsnds Florida and Louisiana, and Spain had been working with the US for American land grant settlers in Texas. Spain would have negotiated with the United States on the SW and CA given the time as historically these New Spain territories were hardly Spains focus, barely financed, never conquered the Indians, or colonized these northern outposts serving Spain on French and Russian intrusion in 17th 18th centuries, Spains dynamics had changed by the 19th century in America and abroad. Europe still had it's hands in Mexicos affairs even after the War, and didn't come bat for Mexico.... Young Mexico was unable to manage it's heart/core, central Mexico, tried taking a bigger bite than it could chew, claiming Spains distant California and SW and Central America where folks were not Mexican at heart, were rebellious, unpatriotic, unincorporated, and were self goverened CA and SW lasted only 25 years under Mex., a very short time in passing.
It wasn't meant to be, the isolated northern territories were a vast wilderness out in the middle of nowhere, bordering the US who had a vision for the land. Mexico did not. Mexico never managed the thousands of unconquered northern tribes who bitterly hated Mexico entering their indigenous lands 1824, going to battles with Mexico. The Indians, not Mexico or USA, were still in control of their inherent lands. The Indians were life threatening, putting trembling fear in California/SW residents until late 1800s, conquered by the US, which by the way coincided with Mexican migration to the US border. How convenient.... Yucatan begged the United States to be annexed. So the people living in that disputed and neglected house they didn't value, need or want the house to begin with. Wars are complex, lame excuses are worthless. Learn the history, Nothing was stolen. California and SW residents, be they Indian or post Spanish Colonial settlers, still live in their pre-Mexican War lands, same lands they were from, today the US, tribal lands are US sovereign nations. No one is crying over Mexico, in fact 25 years of Mexico is well forgotten as the US flag was planted. Under three flags, Spains /250 years, Mexico/ 25 years, and the United States since 1848, Mexico's flag was by far insignificantly the shortest period. People from Chihuahua, Durango, Sonora still live in their native lands, today Mexico. The United States/Mexico border was in 1848 GH Treaty out in the uninhabited middle of nowheree, multi thousands sq miles of wildernesses
It's not all Mexicans but Mexican factions , anti American immigrant groups such as Mexican Chicano Studies professors 1960s and followers, other anti America, who make a mountain of a mole hill attempting to revise history who focus on rights of Indian native lands, adding Mexican mestizo to the pot; conflating todays Mexico with today's United States as one and the same. Not so... Historically SW/CA Indians as in the rest of the United States did not generally mix with the European, not a mestizo or metis culture to date. 99% of today's United States tribes were not primarily mixed blood back in 1848. Most mixed blood of SW/CA natives are products of the 20th C but more so approaching 21st C world in the US due to Indians leaving reservations for education, wars, jobs, etc Anti American history revisonists don't have the librarial historical backup documented by Spain ; records in Spain, Mexico City and New Mexico. . Though we'll intended, years of research or a thorough study on New Spain would help before putting this video on.
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Navajo, Comanche, Ute, Pawnee, Sioux, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Pueblo Caddo and all other California, New Mexico and Texas tribes are not Mexican indigenous. Indians didn't found the USA which did not become a country until 1776. Before the European came there was no America, no Canada, no USA no Mexico, no nothing but vast lands occupied by migrations of nomadic enemy tribes for thousands of years.
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The original and only Mexican were the Aztec "mexica " tribes from Tenochtitlan renamed "Mexico City" by Spain. Tenochtitlan, Montezumas reign was the "Mexico" in 1519, when Spain arrived, and considered the "valley of Mexico" by Spain also known as the New Spain Kingdom of Mexico Territory after Spain colonized, that area the first of Spains colonization in the the New World continent. To later be surrounded by many other territories and enemy tribes who were not mexica Aztec as Spain continued explorations; the Kingdoms of Galacia, Yucatan, Nuevo Leon, Nuevo Estramadura , Nuevo Navarra, etc. Territories, named so by Spain, becoming parts of New Spain over decades of Spains land claimes which also included the far north from California to Pacific Coast to Canada. NewMexico to Texas to Louisiana to Florida to Cuba, Caribbeans, Phillipines, plus They were New Spain and identified by Territory. Mexico 1824 grew from some of these territories after 300 years to become its own nation, Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
The Kingdom of Mexico Territory, central Mexico today and and a few other surrounding territories fought for independence from Spain to become Mexico. Under Mexico's first constitution 1824 Apatzingan , the far north New Spain territories of California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. After the final battle with Spain, the 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution took California, New Mexico and Texas as part of Mexico under no agreement or Treaty as Spain did not sign over any of her territories to Mexico , the Crown of Spain did not recognize independence and refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova.
New Spains northern tribes as Navaho, Apache, Kiowa, Ute, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Piaut, Pueblo, Comanche plus hundreds more never acknowledged Mexico or identified as Mexican. The Spanish Colonial descendants since 1598 were mandated Mexican citizenship in 1598 , under Estados Unidos Mexicanos also known as the Republic of Mexico government, who were those living in the isolated north of New Spain; California, New Mexico, Texas became USA citizens under the Treaty of Hidalgo 1848 and remained in the homeland which became part of the USA. Mexican is not a race, but rather a citizen of Mexico inclusive of many ethnicities and today all native tribes in Mexico are Mexican unlike 500 years ago when only the mexica Aztec were Mexican.
Additionally California, New Mexico and Texas were centuries of thousands of miles of wilderness desert, uninhabitable barren land until Spains explorations in the 16th century. Some Mexican factions falsely claim these were their lands and are reclaiming, but their ancestors were never part of today's USA. It was the Mexican government officials who transplanted north after Mexican independence 1824 -1846, the typical Mexicans did not colonize in CA, NM, TX during the time. There was barely a Mexican living in these areas during the Mexican War, requiring Mexico to bring in troops to the far north to battle Americans. Mexicans began migrating to the border areas with the presence of the USA westward movement, Mexicans establishing border towns about 1880s. Train to El Paso plus the American army quelling the unconquered Indians and placing in reservations and making the wilderness habitable in a desolate land their ancestors never dared to go. Mexico quasi governed CA, NM, TX for barely 25 years. Anything else is making a mountain of a molehill. These were never ancestrally Mexico... It's the USA that brought Chihuahuas, Sinaloans and south of the borderians who since late 1800 only look north...
Don't be fooled. The only Spanish Colonists were first in New Mexico starting in 1598, Texas and California--SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821. During the Mexican Period, 1821-1846 Americans had already settled in California, New Mexico and Texas before the Mexican War. Americans settled Nevada, Utah, Colorado before there was a Mexican in sight. As Mexican were a rarity if any in those states. The Mexican Revolution 1920 brought immigrant Mexicans to California, Colorado, Chicago. They showed up later , about 1950s in Nevada and Utah. The 1970 Immigration Act brought millions, and 1990s illegal open borders brought millions more. Americans need to get a little education on Mexican and American history... Mexicans are late 1800s immigrants to the USA.
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Spain never owned "Mexico". When Cortez landed in Vera Cruz it was unnamed land, not Mexico. That era was Spains explorations and land claimes till about 1560. Territories were since the 1500 to 1800 claimed and governed by Spain and were part of New Spain far and wide. New Spains territories were California to Mississippi region to Florida, Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Caribbeans, Cuba, Philippines and not in Mexico. What are today California and the SW, Mexico, Central America were never known by Spain as Mexico for three centuries. Mexico was born in 1821 by independence from Spain. The far north territories of New Spain, California to Texas never were involved in Mexico City's and its surrounding territories political dynamics or battles with Spain. Mexico as an independent nation claimed the wilderness isolated far north but was unable to finance or control these quasi territories which were self governed and very sparely populated with Spanish settlers who were dictated Mexican citizenship after 1821. And high concentrations of unconquered warrior Indians who never recognized Mexico, the new sheriff in town as their sovereign.
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Right... California and SW are not ancestrally Mexico. The folks living in these far northern New Spain outposts, were descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers , very distant and isolated from other parts of New Spain and were mandated Mexican citizenship under the Republic of Mexico's goverenment constitution 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos. So one day, back in the day, they were informed by some Mexican transplant government official stranger, they were now Mexican citizens, Spains beloved flag removed, replaced by a Mexican flag. Interestingly under the Apatzingan constitution 1814 California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. These New Spain Territories did not participate with Hidalgo and Mexico City's political dynamics or battles against Spain or independence.
"Mexico" is nothing but New Spain lands left over after Spain Treaty'd off Florida and Louisiana before Mexican independence. Spain didn't acknowledge Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain never Treaty'd any lands or had any agreements to transfer any lands to Mexico. Imperial Mexico just grabbed what was available of New Spain in north America, yet was politically unstable with no treasury, since it became a failed monach Empire, all of two years, then a nation Mexico 1824, is late in SW history 1824. Spain still held the waters, Mexico failed to take Cuba.
Anti American movement make a mountain of a molehill over 24 years of the SW Mexican Period , of which Mexico barely made a dent in California and SW, 10 years Texas. These territories were unincorporated to Mexicos main, automous, and the unconquered northern tribes still controlled their indigenous lands in basically a wilderness desert... Mexicans lost the war, no one stole any of their lands as the annexed lands under the Treaty were California and SW and folks there -- the ancient tribes. And Spanish colonists still in the centuries homeland 1598-1821, of the SW Spanish Colonial Period, and welcomed USA citizenship in 1848. No one cried over Mexico. Yet many still loyalists to Spain. Mexicans were not victims, in fact Mexico fired the first shot to become the Mexican War. Mexico had claimed parts of Central America too, Mexicans only look north lol... There's plenty of historical documentation and corrupt anti American indoctrination....
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Only by woke cult indoctrination and history revionists who are fake historians... Real history is disputed land, war, conquest , purchase, treaty, border. Real history is Navaho, Ute, Comanche, Pueblo, Kiowa, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Piaut, Sioux and hundreds northern tribes who were never Mexican or mestizo.... and still live on their lands...
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Right you are. You won't tell a Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Pueblo, Ute, Shasta, Mohave and a host of northern tribes that they are Mexican. They inherently know their indigenous lands. Take the Pueblo in 1680 Pueblo Revolt who chased the Spanish 300 miles to the south, satisfied the Spanish were exiled from their lands. And the angered Comanche, Yaqui and Apache who battled with Mexicans never to acknowledge Mexico after Spain abdicated in 1824. The Apache never could understand why the United States paid Mexico for lands they inherently knew were not Mexican. Mexicans officials after Mexican Independence were the new kid in town, strangers, and were not welcome, either by the Indians or Spanish colonist's in California, New Mexico, Texas. Arizona which was part of NM was not colonized by Spain. Mexican immigrants began migration to border areas after the Mexican War and established Mexican towns simultaneously with Anglo Americans pretty much after the wilderness areas were safer and unconquered US Indians were at peace and placed in reservations.
As is said in the north, el agua es la vida. The Rio Grand tributaries never flowed into Aztec territories and barely touched Chihuahua. Ancient man knew their water source as water is the life force. The northern Rio waters did not sustain the Aztec, or the bulk of Mexico, a great point which is overlooked.
Land in the 1500s was not purchased or stolen. Indians did not have land ownership concept. They learned this from the European. By mid 1700s, the NM Pueblo Indians were legally selling their lands to Spanish colonists and later US courts legally sorted out the issue. The Aztec territories were conquered by Spain in a bloody battle, in the same manner that the United States conquered what became Mexico in 1824. Why conflate Spain and Mexico; different era, different goverenment, different politics, different flag. In fact, Mexico does not recognize Indian lands, Spain did.
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Your history is full if holes, unsubstantiated starting with Santa Ana signing over the SW. The Treaty of Hidalgo was NOT signed by Santa Ana, which is the treaty signed by Mexican and US government officials towards agreed negotiations between Mexico and the US 1848. The US/Mexican War was an all out war started by the young Republic of Mexico on disputed Texas land. Not only did the USA conquer Mexico, flying the US flag over Mexico City , USA army officials occupied Mexicos government buildings and the USA was in position to take All of Mexico. That's what CONQUEST is, control. Winner takes the spoils, its written into mans DNA since time began... Mexico's government and people knew they lost the war plus quasi northern lands recently claimed Mexico 1821, losing those unincorporated northern lands, 25 years later 1848 upon US defeat. Mexico was unable to control the SW....Stolen is imaginary wishful thinking full of excuses. Be it for the H G Treaty half the land, it's heart and core was returned to Mexico, plus 15 million dollars. Later Mexico under the Gadsden Purchase sold more land for another 10 million in dollars, total of 25 million dollars. So Mexico made out royally on real estate for lands that had belonged to Spain for 300 years and Johnnie come late Mexico quasi claimed for barely 25 years, 15 for Texas. There were no Mexican armies to battle the USA army in today's SW and CA during the War, simply because Mexicans 1821 had no need for the very distant isolated wilderness north or its thousands of dangerous unconquered Indians such as Apache, Navajo, etc who never acknowledged Mexico or identified to date as Mexican, scratching there heads over the USA paying millions for lands indigenous to northern indians who inherently knew were not Mexico...Mexicans migrated north to border areas after the Mexican War after the United States army quelled and placed Indians in reservations no longer threatening the lives of anyone not of their tribe. Also you are conflating Mexicans from Chihuahua and to its south, who were not inclusive of descendants of SW Spanish settlers , not necessarily patriotic to Mexican independence, seeking independence from Mexico, many SW and CA were loyalists to Spain. They were forced Mexican citizenship to later become become US Americans. These were not immigrant Mexicans and had been in today's SW for centuries before there was a ever a Mexico. Villa and Zappata were never part of the SW Spanish Colonial settlers, total foreigners up north.
Why would Mexicos government want to war with the USAs hand that has fed Mexicos mouth since Pancho Villas Mexican Revolution 1910, Mexicans fleeing north for their livelihood to the US and been sending money to Mexico for a hundred years. Villa is Mexicos hero, lol and your mixed up story, a hodge-podge combining events of independent Texas Republic won after defeating Santa Ana in battle of San Jacinto 1836 and 10 years later the Mexican War1846, two totally different events, shows you haven't a clue on the real history ... besides CA, NM/AZ and TX were not historically Mexico which Mexico claimed in 1821. The SW and California had been undisturbed for centuries and centuries, uninhabitable lands, until Spain claimed and sparsely populated with Spanish settlements to ward off French intrusion into New Spain territories the farthest north of Spains military posts. It was not until the United States came west and won the War, those desert wilderness territories then became attractive to Mexicans, who look only north, because of the US economy and non dictorial government. Mexicans never look south, parts of Central America also who didn't want Mexican citizenship, gaining independence from Mexico. Your version of SW history is upside down and inside out... And many Mexicans don't agree with you. Furthermore, Spain recognizes the SW as United States American. Learn your history before you open your mouth...
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Actually todays SW was out in the middle of nowhere, a few Spanish Colonial villas in New Spain for 250 years under Spains rule. These Spanish Colonial Settlements were very distant and isolated from other parts of New Spains Territories--Florida and todays Mexico, established in the furthest north of New Spain to ward off French and Russian intrusion. Indian tribes were unconquered, raiding and attacking, living was very dangerous throughout the SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598 to 1821.
New Spains Mexico City claimed independence 1821 from Spain after a decade of battles, independence unrecognized by Spains King who signed no Treaty with Mexico. The young Republic of Me xico claimed the SW under its 1824 Constitution, these were lands remaining in the far north after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana early 1800s. Spain prior to Mexican independence was in the process of permitting M Austin American land grant settlements in Texas. Hmm..... These has been Spains closely guarded closed borders for over 250 years. Spain had claimed too much territory and had not financed much in the SW partially because of unconquered Indians and fear of another revolt against the settlers. Especially the Comanche who everyone feared. Early 1800s Spains pockets were draining and Spain was focused in a war abroad with France.
The young Republic of Mexicos government officials, after independence , headed far north to take over the SW from Spain, flags changed. Unwelcome and with rebellion. It was the brief 25 year SW Mexican Period, many SW citizens wanted independence from Mexico as in Central America. Mexico taxed citizens heavily with no return. Mexico never reached uncolonized New Spain, Wyoming, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, nothing but a wilderness with unconquered tribes. The USA had more interest in the SW and these far northern lands than Mexico, the northern Territories were unincorporated and outside of Mexicos main. During the Mexican Period Americans were settling the SW since 1821, because unlike Spains strict closed border policy, Mexico opened the borders. Via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri, a welcome and successful trade amongst the colonists and Americans, good relations between the SW and Americans developed. American mountain fur traders became the part of mix and young Mexico needed settlers out in the wilderness isolated Texas, permitted S Austin to bring American land grant settlers to develop Texas which hardly had a population. American settlers in California seeking a Republic, all in the SW before Mexican migration to border areas approx 1880 with USA westward movement. Establishing Mexican towns in border areas. So while Americans were pushing west, Mexicans were pushing north.
Americans were very interested and had a vision for today's SW, call it Manifest Destiny. Mexico's vision was Mexico City, not the distant wilderness of over a thousand miles away. During the Mexican Period, south of what became the borderans didn't come north to settle in the dangerous wilderness . A few Mexican soldiers were bribed with land grants in California. Mexicans came north after the Mexican War and after the US subjugated the raiding and dangerous unconquered SW Indians and American westward movement. The USA was never what are today Mexicans home to begin with. Their ancestral roots were not north what was to become the USA as the ancestral Navaho, Comanche, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Kumeyay, Piaute , Pawnee, Cheyenne, Apache, Pueblo , etc. Tribes who never knew their indigenous lands as Mexico or know themselves as Mexican, to date. The SW was the Homeland to also the sparse Spanish Colonial Settlers who became American citizens during the US Territorial Period or statehood depending. Keep in mind Mexican is not a race and neither is American. Mexican and US Americans are a citizenship. The USA, Mexico, Canada are new nations in north America starting with USA 1776, comprised of different ethnicities from Native American , European, Asian, African etc. Each of these nations were founded off of the European motherland. The average American is uninformed on SW history--the centuries indigenous tribes from the north; Spanish Colonial Period of over 250 years; Mexican Period of 25 years; US Territorial Period or/ to statehood since the USA conquered Mexico, a Treaty, a border, 15 million dollars--which is well documented--volumes, well researched. Archived in Spain, Mexico City, and Santa Fe, USA. The SW is not historically Mexico, in fact there was no Mexico until 1824, under Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution, just like there was no United States of America until 1776. Mexico just put their foot in these Territories briefly unable to manage, was easily defeated in the SW with out or barely a Mexican soldier in sight. Soldiers had to be brought from the south. The SW Territories were part of New Spain. New Spain was many Territories from California to Texas, Louisiana to Florida, Pacific coast to Canada, Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines, Central America, today's Mexico, charted in any New Spain map pre 1821. Each Territory had their distinct tribes, geography, culture, history. SW history as well as New Spain is misunderstood and misguided. American history teaches the 13 Colonies under New England, but fails to teach the Territories under New Spain, right here in the USA. Under Spain , New Spain in the USA the oldest European settlment, oldest government building, oldest church, oldest capitol, etc. Shame Americans are not aware of SW history.
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@Caseylawton New Spain was comprised of different lands after several decades by separate explorations by Spain, which it claimed as it's territories over about 40 years, conquering many non Aztec tribes along the way. During the 16th C, Tenochitlan was mexica aztec district, renamed Mexico City by Spain after the mexica. The Spanish also referred to it as valley of Mexico as there were tribes other than the Aztec throughout the territories, valley of Mexico was a separate aztec mexica region. So Mexico City was in the Kingdom of Mexico territory. By the late 18th century this territory was commonly referred to as Mexico, it was the seat of the Spanish viceroy and capital of New Spain, while other territories were referred to by localities as Nueva Viscaya, Kingdom of Nuevo Leon, Nueva Navarra, Nueva Estramadera, Kingdom of New Mexico, California, Texas etc. So upon commercial trade between territories, folks made reference to the territory they were trading with. If it was official New Spain central goverenment business it was many times referred to as Mexico (Kingdom of Mexico territory). You need to go back in time to grasp the situation of that time. If historians and writers referred to New Spain instead of Mexico folks would have more clarity and better understand the history. As some are led to believe, today's Mexico was never one united nation called (Aztec) Mexico just as the continent was not called America. After certain New Spain territories gained independence from Spain, they became Estados Unidos Mexicanos after 300 years. The Republic of Mexico became a nation comprised of descendants of many of New Spain's territories many tribes to become Mexican citizens. Thought there were problems with the distant isolated outer edge wilderness SW/CA territories and Central America who were disconnected from the young republics politics, history and culture and were able to break away from Mexico after a brief time.
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@alanbrown342 Trump was convicted for what. What crime, who are the victims. A jury could have found Hillary guilty, had Trump pursued her crime, violation of federal law for unauthorized removal of classified docs including violations of State Protocol and Procedures. Biden and Harris came after Trump with election interference, unconstitutional. Interestingly mentality incompetent Biden was kicked off the ballot by Democrat political bosses, while Trump is still hitting strong for America, a true patriot. Bold with unmatched spirit for America. Too many questions on Harris policy positions, she flip flops her " policy", and hides her vote on CA crime measures. Where are the 300,000 open border missing human trafficking children and where's her tough on crime. Face it, Harris is noteworthy of nothing, has a bad California record, and has destabilized the nation as VP. And Harris is no Hillary---a crooked political, but very smart and accomplished. Harris is lost and will continue on her path to destroy America, of which 79% Americans feel Harris is in the wrong.
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@clairematthews5797 Manuel Martinez daughter Cleofas Jaramillo, wrote her memorares, Romance of a Village Girl. Growing up in Arroya Hondo, she makes mention of her father and is critical of T Catron on the loss of the land grant. It's been years since I've read the book. But later came to read an excerpt by her brother, can't recall the source. He stated he did not know why Cleofas was so critical of Catron, stating that her father, Manuel was in kahoots on the sale of the grant. This is the extent of my knowledge on Martinez. I never could relate to Lopez Tejerina, a Texan and northern NM estranjero, intrusion on NM land grants. Was aware it was a historically later huge Mexican grant as well as the Maxwell grant. I believe the Mexican Period, corrupt Gov. Armijo, a Mexican Patriot was involved in the land grant distribution. I appreciate your pointing out Tijerinas involvement in Mexican Chicano Studies and revision history teachings on stolen lands, interesting. It all fits in. Northern NMs need to learn our history so they are not taken in by immigrant Chicano mentality.
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@clairematthews5797 As much as the Mexican influx in northern NM, starting at the end of the 20th C and influence of the Chicano movement, older folks and even some younger still maintain the Spanish history, culture and influence of yesteryear. In a sense the unique culture is withering with the younger generations only concept of identity is "Hispanic" but an older generation still hanging on not knowing the history and some falling victim to Chicano Studies influence and falling into the Chicano mentality not realizing it's Mexican roots--if they only knew... There was a Texan Chicano that joined our large email group and dropped out because he could not relate to the northern NM culture, northern NMs do not have an Indian or mestizo mentality. I don't recall the source, reading quite a while back that when LULAC (Mexican California immigrant organization) came to NM decades ago, the organization could not relate to NM and left. The Spanish American had political power, which was carried on from the centuries ago in the northern homeland, toiled by our ancestors for survival in an isolated harsh land. The Spanish American were not outsiders, many had businesses, lands and goverenment jobs. the Spanish American were the community, the Anglo American was the outsider. Today LULAC has issues with northern NM culture and sides with Chicano Studies propoganda. The problem is that largely, northern NMs do not have an understanding of it's history and now Chicanoism has acquired a hold on the northern culture because people don't understand that Chicanoism is based on Mexican immigrant politics and they have fallen into the trap. Educators need to step up and educate our traditional American Spanish youth as the Native Indians are doing. In fact, the people identified as Spanish until the about 2000 when Richardson, a Mexican Amrrican Hispanic became governor of NM and the Hispanic term was popularized. As you and I are aware, just because one is Hispanic (a United States Censes Bureau 1960s classification) doesn't mean we have the same history, homeland, culture or traditions or that all are immigrants. I have been learning NM history for about 20 years and sort of put pieces together. One book that was an eye opener because SW historians do not write about, I believe the title is Our Lady of Guadalupe. The Mexican culture arrival and influence in the border areas about 1880, 200 miles away from Spanish Colonial NM, 250 years earlier. I had a coworker interested in history and related the diverse cultures to her and she snapped. As a state employee she could now relate to how Socorro NM was the point where there was a split in culturel differences. History talks. In fact, the NM Indians, especially the Pueblo still call us the Spanish, we are a part of their history and deeply ingrained in their psyche. New Mexico was never a mestizo culture or people. Because the Pueblo Indian and Spanish lived apart, each preserved their language, religion and culture yet were united as allies against the raiding Indians. . Never merging to a mestizo culture as in Latin America.
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New Spain was many Territories, California to Florida. Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans, plus. Governed by Spains monarchal system, by New Spains viceroy from Mexico City. But disconnected territories far and wide , different geographies, tribes, cultures, peoples.
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Harris Biden Administration cannot paint a pretty picture in America. Democrat media propaganda says nothing on their marxist ideologies, economy, border, illegal migration, crime, foreign affairs, trillions dollars national debt, easy on crime, interest rates, mortgage halt, defund police ans ICE, 300,000 open border missing children under Harris human trafficking, women's rights abused, etc. Harris hopes, dreams, aspirations to unburden the burdened and dodging question after question, and lie after lie are a national scam. Harris is not interested in our constitutional republic, and neither is walz... They are creepy an̈ti American marxists.
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California was explored and claimed by Spain. The name "California" had its origin in Spain and early California settlements were named under Spain by explorers or Spanish colonizers decades before Mexican independence and Mexican migration to California after the War. Same with towns in Florida, Texas, New Mexico. Towns were European influenced by Spain. The Mexican War had nothing to do with Spain. The War was between Mexico and the United States. Those Spanish named towns in California , in Polks day, had been named decades before the Mexican War under Spain. Character has nothing to do with war and conquest, which had been the way of the world since the beginning of time. Mexico lost the War, the United States had plenty of character in returning half of Mexico, a new nation that was barely surviving; plus 15 million dollars and another 10 million under the Gadsden Purchase under treaties, . Mexico never had the character, power, influence or finances as Spain of which parts of New Spain went into battles (central Mexico today) and political upheavals to gain independence and become Mexico. Mexico's ineffective government is what brought your family and millions of Mexicans to the United States. California has as many English named cities and towns as there are Spanish and both have left their mark as well as the Mexican and Chinese.
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@robertleon4323 Centuries, Nonesense. There was no "Mexico" until 200 years ago. 200 years is not even close to one century... There wasn't even a Mexico City until 1529, Mexico City named by Spain, controlled by Spain for 300 years, not even close to one century. Spain was a world empire ruled by a monarch. Spain also ruled New Spain which was many Territories far and wide from north west Pacific Coast , California to Florida, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Cuba, Caribbeans, Phillipines plus. Mexico was a Johnnie come late 1824 , from Central America to today's SW, by Mexico's imperialist claim. Short lived as Mexicos land was reduced to half after the USA whipped them...
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@destinypereira587 They have no ancestral roots in the SW or CA. They are immigrants and make a mountain of a molehill over a few, literally a few, blink of the eye, years. SW, a very remote uninhabitable desert was always difficult to colonize during the Spanish Colonial Period. Spain even brought colonists from the Canary Islands. Same problem during the brief SW Mexican Period , the Mexican government offered Mexican soldiers Mexican land grants to encourage Mexican settlers. Mexicans were met with resistance and bitterly were attacked by northern unconquered tribes. Mexicans, not to be conflated with the Spanish colonists, wanted nothing north until US westward movement and Indians were subjugated by US Americans 1880s, since then look only north.
Mexicans wanted America as an escape, and today that progressive USA dollars made SW what it is. Plus a US government for the people. Had there been no USA, the SW would still be a wilderness out in the middle of nowhere desert as it had been for centuries before European intrusion and not a place for Mexicans. Or worse yet, SW would be a corrupt, cartel run, impoverished who knows what dump, with its citizens escaping to who knows where. Hypocrites, they covet the neighbors northern lands. Use 15 -24 years as an excuse and never claim Central America which parts of had been briefly claimed by Mexico. "Our lands" is nothing but revision history propaganda by those who have no clue on SW History. And don't have a leg to stand on when their excuses and flimsy stories are challenged.
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@destinypereira587 Not so. New Spain was many Territories, from California coast all the way to Florida coast. Northwest Pacific Coast to Canada, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Caribbeans, Philippines. All claimed by Spains Spaniards upon explorations by land and sea, takings decades. Goggle a New Spain Territories 1700s map. No way most of these Territories were Mexico. In real history, part of New Spain became Mexico 1824. There's a difference between Mexico and Mexico City. Spains king ruled New Spain from Mexico City by Spains viceroy for typically 300 years, as some Territories had broken from Spain by Treaty before Mexican independence. Some New Spain Territories broke away from Spain later, as Cuba. The Republic of Mexico was created from Spains European influence, a different era, different government structure as a republic, breaking away a monarch ruled Spain. Similar to the 13 New England Colonies became USA. Both battled the motherland and neither were controlled by Europe after independence. Same with Texas Republic, not under Mexico after independence. The indigenous territories to become Mexico were not stolen, they were conquered , financed, and controlled by Spain until 1821. The way the world works for centuries is typically invasion, war, conquest, winner takes spoils. Same way the tribes got lands before European invasion. With Europe, it was just different tribes with ships, horses, guns...
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No, Spain subjugated the Indians in lands today Mexico which was part of Spains Empire, New Spain for 300 years. There was no Mexico until independence 1821, same as there was no USA until 1776. Both new nations
founded from the motherlands, Great Britain and Spain after gaining independence. Both had been New England Colonies and New Spain Territories before independence. The Republic of Mexico was conquered by the USA after 25 years as a nation. What is today Mexico is lands returned to Mexico by the USA after victory. The USA flew its flag over Mexico 1848 and occupied it, gaining control over Mexico. Negotiations between both nations under the GH Treaty returned half of Mexicos land, plus 15 million dollars. A following Treaty. Gadson Purchase, another 10 million dollars. Mexicans as well as Americans are fully aware of the conquest but some are anti American, or white hate white, history revionists twisted to stolen lands total indoctrination by woke left wing liberals wanting to destroy the USA because of its flawed history. All nations are flawed, UsA is no exception, Mexico lost the War.
Mexican is not a race, it's a citizenship from today's Mexico comprised of many ethnicities just as USA citizens....
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There was no such as illegal for centuries until immigration laws in the late 1800s in the USA. What is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico after the Mexican War 1846 by the USA under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo 1848. Mexico was conquered by the USA 25 years after Mexican independence from Spain 1821. Mexico was occupied by the USA, the USA flag flew over Mexico City. The USA was in position to take All of Mexico but chose not to.
The US/Mexican border was in the middle of nowhere desert. Those south of the border Mexicans were never from anywhere in today's SW. The population in California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers, some since 1598. Spains subjects in New Spain were not Mexican 1521 or there about , to 1821. They were identified as Peninsulares/Españoles, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto and also by Territory as there were many Territories in New Spain from Cuba, Caribbeans, Phillipines, Pacific Coast, California to Florida, today's Mexico, Central America etc... Mexican is not an ethnicity.
Under the Republic of Mexico 1824, the subjects of Estados Unidos Mexicanos became Mexican citizens including any American or other residing in the young Republic. Mexican is many ethnicities, same as any American nation in the continent...
The USA was interested only in the northern Territories as by 1800 the USA was headed westward. Other than conquest, the USA paid 15 million dollars to Mexico for the lands under the Treaty of GH and another 10 million dollars under the Gadson Purchase. All was legally Treaty'd. The SW population who had been in these far north Territories under Spain became US citizens. So both Americans and SW populations were legal citizens of the USA. Those from Sonora and Sinaloa began migration to borders areas establishing towns along with Americans late 1800s in wilderness areas never before colonized. Vast lands, thousands of acres with unconquered warrior Comanche, Kiowa, Apache, dangerous uninhabitable environments. These Indians were subjugated by the US late 1800s, placed in reservations and after this south of the borderians migrated north with USA westward movement. These were exempt under the Treaty of GH. So why White people are illegal is plain nonsense. It's Mexicans who are here illegally if they did not enter by immigration law.
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@Lupo-Molino_delRey Unless your Navajo, Ute, Comanche, Pueblo, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Kiowa, Piaute, Caddo Apache of a northern tribe in the USA these are not your lands. If you're Mexican your roots are in Mexico, your ancestors were not from anywhere USA.
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@Lupo-Molino_delRey the Indians from the United States don't speak Spanish Lol... . As far as that goes, they never knew themselves to be Mexican or United States American back in most of the 1800s, or before than and later, they became US Americans. And to this day still see Mexican Indians as foreigners, outsiders, furthermore what is today the United States is lindigenous lands to the northern tribes Lol. They hated the Mexican back in 1821 and have no need for them today. No land was stolen, the United States and Mexico went to war, Mexico not only lost the war but the United States occupied Mexico and flew the USA flag over Mexico City. How's that for winning a war.... Many Mexicans were not even patriotic to Santa Ana..... Nations forever have known when they lose at war they lose the land, that's just the nature of things. . What..... are you saying Mexico stole land from Spain. If Mexico had not gained independence from Spain, there would never have been a Mexico to begin with. And if France had not invaded Spain, Spain would not have lost to Mexico. On the other hand, how could Mexico have owned California, New Mexico Arizona, Texas. Mexico never conquered the indigenous Indians, 1821-1846, in fact the non-Spanish speaking Comanche slaughtered Chihuahua in the 1830s. Actually the northern ,(USA today) tribes didn't even speak the same language as the Mexican. . The Mexicans feared and ran away from the northern tribes, the SW really was lands belonging to the Apache, Navajo, Pueblo, Ute, Caddo, Mohave, Shasta, Comanche, plus many more tribes who owned the lands and let Mexico know it. You can't own a land untill you conquer its natives..... After Spain, Mexico sort of borrowed the lands belonging to the native northern tribes for barely 25 years, till Mexico was kicked out. Mexico was incapable of running a nation and governing it's unpatriotic people, much less had any business in the very far north. . Mexico never conquered the tribes . The United States conquered the indians about 1880, the Indians surrendered to the US Army and today are proud US Americans, oh and are English speaking, just like the Gringo.......History talks. Nations talk. Good day.
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So much noise on taking back territory again. Mexico only flew it flag over California, New Mexico for 25 years. Texas for 10 years. Mexico's flag never flew over Nevada, Utah, Colorado or anywhere else, Because these lands were not colonized by Spain during the Spanish Colonial Period of 223 years, 1598-1821. Mexico never reached those lands during tbe 25 year SW Mexican Period because there were no people to govern outside CA, NM, TX. Had there been no USA, Mexicans would never have come north. After 1824 Mexican government officials with independence becoming the Republic of Mexico, and claiming Spains lands. It was the new government officials with its new flag who transplanted to California, met with resistance, and were gone by 1848. Chihuahuans and Sinaloans and those to the south didn't migrate till 1880 with USA westward movement and trains in 1910 Mexican Revolution. The truth is those from Sonora or Sinaloans or south of the borders ancestors were never from California which was very distant, a wilderness uninhabitable desert. The lands annexed by the USA are not ancestrally Mexico. Those were never your territory until they were taken from Spain 1821. Mexico was not capable of keeping the lands. 25 years is not nothing... 6th grade history.
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Problem is New Mexicans (from Socorro to Taos) do not know their own history or identity. They became "Mexican" citizens after 250 years in NM because of independence from Spain at a time when the new Republic of Mexico claimed the northern territory. New Mexicans were not seeking independence, they just happened to fall into Mexico's hands and were under Mexican (estranjeros) quasi goverenment for only 25 years. Even the Pueblo Indians identity them as Spanish as they were a separate peoples from the indigenous and became a part of Pueblo Indian life for over 400 years to date, as opposed to the enemy warrior tribes the Apache, Navajo and Comanche who also did not recognize the Johnny come late Mexican goverenment after 1821 and were at bitter wars with what we know as Mexico today, during the 25 year Mexican Period. During this era, there were no populations from Socorro to Chihuahua, over 600 miles. Interestingly NM Spanish colonists had a pact with the Comanche since 1770 and the NM colonists sided with the Comanche against Chihuahua Mexico. Many New Mexicans sided with the US during the Mexican Period and did not take part in the Mexican War, even though by this time they were mandated Mexican citizenship, but so had any Anglo living in the province, and the Indians who vehemently rejected Mexico. Any Mexican patriotism waned after Mexican officials left NM as Americans (USA Territorial Period) planted the USA flag. During the Mexican Period , the Old Santa Fe Trail brought Missourians , profitable trade and good relationships came into the picture, and American fur trappers did the same in the far northern Taos and surrounding villages. The vast majority of land grants are Spanish grants which were awarded to the Pueblo Indians as well before the short lived Mexican Period . New Mexico got it's name in 1550, while Mexico did not get it's name until 1824. So much facinating history. Central/northern NMs should start learning it.
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Totally agree, very well stated. These distant quasi provinces were rebellious towards the foreign Mexican officials who were strangers in their lands and were basically self goverened during the brief Mexican Period, the unconquered indigenous were totally opposed to Mexico as well. Spain barely colonized/ financed the far northern territories during the 250 years Spanish Colonial Period which mainly served as Spain's outposts on French and Russian intrusion, by the 1800s Spain had given up Florida and Louisiana, no longer the great empire and was in the process of land grant settlements to Americans in Texas. New Spain's territories in the Mexico City areas were the offenders towards independence from Spain to become Mexico's in 1824, central Mexico was it's heart and core after it became the new Republic of Mexico. As you state Mexico was no oneness . Under Spain, New Spain's separate territories had different and very distant geographic localities, different cultures, peoples, tribes, politics, histories. Mexico tried it's imperialism in the SW and Central America but it didn't work out. Mexico bit more than it could chew, the territories conquered by the US were not historically Mexico to begin with. The progessive United States certainly was not going to inherent Mexico's deep seated internal issues.
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Can't take back what was never yours. Are you Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Kiowa, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Caddo, Piaut or other tribes from up north. If you aren't, all you did was borrow their lands for 25 years.
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Trump exaggerates and has too big a mouth saying inappropriate stuff. But he is genuinely interested in America, it's core values- democracy, constitution, flag, economy, taxes, society security, Medicare, Americans, world peace, border security, legal immigration and many other great causes. Its his policy, not his character that's important for America.
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lezbody3558. Americans need to educate themselves somewhat. This is happening because for 60 years university left wing professors, under the guise of Democrats, have promoted fascist indoctrination. History revision, stolen lands, cancel culture,racism, tearing down historical monuments, anti Americanization, uncontrolled open borders to get the democratic party votes, undermining the constitution and all we are experiencing thats un- American and now the USA unbelievably is experiencing election interference as in banana republics. All of these under the guise od democracy... Vote Republican, vote early, don't hand your absentee ballot to strangers or anyone you don't trust...
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@willcox4561 The Bidens are corrupt liars. Mrs. Pinocchio nose is growing by the day. What performance. Her performance on CNN. Biden has neglected his duty as president first off by not protecting our borders, our border patrol, our interests allowing serious illegal migrant crime on American soil, paying for their expenses, and closing Trumps successful wall. His open border policy is encouraging cartels to run the border into millions of dollars on illegal activity not to mention the millions of dollars we spend as tax payers for illegal migrants. He lied about covid unnecessarily closing the country and workforce, thousands of jobs lost and disruption our childrens education and social interactions. He failed Americans miserably in Afghanistan, has no respect from world leaders, Mexico included and even those democrats who can actually think for themselves. No fiduciary competence, by his wild spending -- the nation's in a deep inflation and Americans finances are in trouble, closed our enery independent gas pipelines--thousands of Americans job losses, he promotes history revionists and a totally crazy woke culture---his selected Supreme Court Judge doesn't even know what a woman is and Mrs Pinocchio awarded a biological male "woman" of the year award, applauded by liberal snowflakes for lack of common sense and too extreme from Christian standards. Done nothing for military dominance, Bidens are blantenly unconscionable and this unperforming so called president is no Trump who stands up unconditionally for the USA and our constitution, conservative. All Biden has done is for himself and to attempt to fundamentally transform America to socialist Godless regime. The USA needs a Republican White House, Republican Senate and Republican House. Hopefully we can return to normal standards, educate instead of indoctinate.
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@ep7663 rubbish, stolen lands is hogwash. If you want to deny history as it took place, go ahead, no matter who wrote it. Lose a war and come up with all kinds of excuses. History revionists. But many Mexicans accept the conquest and Mexicos inability to hold on to the far northern lands. I suppose Mexico stole from Spain, in that case , lands are really SPAINS.... Spain didn't even sign the Treaty of Cordova in 1821. And in Mexicos 1815 first constitution-- California, NewMexico, Texas were not Mexico. These territories didn't even join Mexico City, Hidalgo, Guerrero, or Itebides political dynamics or battles against Spain.
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@allanhwhite.kineticmobiles They both lie. Except Trump is proven strong, alert, a diplomatic, and knows how to run the USA..And doesn't always lie. Now Biden, practically every time he opens his mouth is a lie, mumbles, cannot speak coherently, gets lost in public, runs from the press, embarrassing to America, and is incomplete....
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What's worse, congress heckling over a lie or the speaker of the house tearing up the state-of-the-union papers, never seen that before. Pelosi lies as much as Lie den... Thank goodness Biden brough SS and Medicare, a blazen Democratic lie, and Republicans publicly called him a liar at the State of the Union, way to go, Republicans, this is an effective lie the Democrat's use to gain votes from those who believe them. Biden has done a great job, what a lie and we all know his approval rate is a D minus... these millionaire political creatures are toxic to the USA. Biden has done irreparable damage and they know it. Worse economy since Carter, wide open borders-human trafficking, criminals, drugs and cartels running the border at tax payer cost, those jobs are just replacements that were lost during the covid panic promoted by Biden, were are now energy dependent, promote racism, and promote decaying fundamental rights/ values of America with Socialist agendas- education, woke cultures , defunding the police, abortion, transgendering of innocent children, CRT, violence, support indoctrination in all levels of schooling and promote destruction of monuments, history, education, negatively influencing the media to cover up their sins . Biden and his ducking are far from the middle, radical left wing commies that our parents, grandparents and generations down would not recognize the Democratic party or the USA running rampant. Nancy is fooling you and you're lacking common sense to believe this multimillionaire DC creature. Words are meaningless, pay attention to their actions and vote our only hope for America, there'sno place to run. Vote conservative Republicans. Bidens fantasy speech had been labeled a lie by major newspapers. But we all knew the speech would be 90% lies, before he even opened his mouth.
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What, they make the mafia look like boy scouts. White collar thugs is exactly what they are. The Biden Crime family-- father, mother, son, daughter, sister, brother and who else is hiding the corrupt laundered Biden money... and they and their Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Schmitt, Schumer, and their Democratic duckling point to Trump ...
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@phynnr3469 You cannot generalize. Spain enacted Casas Laws of the Indies in 1542 to abolish slavery and good treatment and preservation of the Indians, applicable to territories in all of New Spain. Changes are not instant but by the early 1700s the Spanish legally granted lands to the Pueblo Indians of central and northern NEW Mexico. Allowed them self governance, preservation of their religion and language; lands and all are still in practice today, over 300 years. It's in the United States where lands have been given back to the Indians, their lands are sovereign, and the U.S. tribes receive insane amounts in federal funding annually. They are protected under law by the government. In the real world, it was European disease that killed off the natives and don't forget, Indians tribes have been killing off enemy tribes for centuries, before and after European colonization. Do the research, small plots of land.... Would you prefer they still be living in the stone age... In a recent survey on most satisfied ethnic groups in the United States, it's the US Indians who came out on top. Gee, wonder why. Compare to the Mexican Indians, the Mexican goverenment took their lands, no reparations, no nothing. Actually Manifest Destiny turned out really good for the United States southwest Indians. They're still in their ancient lands, now sovereign, all expenses paid by the United States tax payer.
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Under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the SW folks who were descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers under Spains rule, were given rights to stay in their centuries homeland 1598-1770, California, Texas, New Mexico. The ancestors of those from Sonora, Sinaloa and to the south, today's Mexico, were never from the SW. The border areas established in 1848 was out in the uninhabitable desert wilderness in the middle of nowhere for miles. After Mexico claimed independence from Spain 1821, it was generally the Mexican Republic government officials who transplanted to the distant isolated north, meeting with local resistance. And were gone after the Mexican War. 1824-1846, the SW 25 years Mexican Period. California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas were not ancestrally Mexico. Mexico just claimed the lands in 1824 under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos (Mexican United States) constitution , after independence, piggybacked off Spains lands without a transfer Treaty, subjugated the people to become Mexican citizens, even Americans living there during the Mexican Period became Mexican. Mexicans migrated to borders areas approx 1880 with US westward movement and trains during the 1910 Mexican Revolution. By 1880 the USA had subjugated the SW unconquered warrior Indians who had been a very dangerous threat to anyone living in CA, NM and TX. Nothing was stolen from Mexico, the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Pueblo, Shasta, Chumash, Piaute, Shoshone, Kiowa , plus hundreds northern tribes are US sovereign lands. Some as the Karenkara Gulf tribes, dispersed to Louisiana or Mexico. These far northern tribes did not inherently know themselves as Mexican. The Spanish remained in the SW homeland under the Treaty to become USA citizens. Mexicans claim California, New Mexico and Texas were Mexico, but fail to add, " for 25 years " making a mountain of a molehill. What is Mexico today is land returned to Mexico under the Treaty of GH. Mexico was conquered, the US flag flew over Mexico which was occupied by the US government after the War, both nations negotiated the Treaty, Mexico was party to two monetary transactions under the Hidalgo and Gadsden Purchase Treaties of $15,000,000 and $10,000,000. The USA annexed lands like any other nation, conquest. Historically correct. It was Mexico who underhandedly took Spains lands. Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova because Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence and Spain never transferred any overseas lands without a Treaty. Florida and Louisiana were Treaty'd by Spain. Mexico never had a land transfer Treaty from Spain. Mexicans are not native to the USA never having ancestral roots in the SW. They are not making it their own again, it never was theirs. It's not only Mexicans crossing US borders illegally, it's the world. The US Democrat's needed south of the border voters to stay in power since the 1970s and now the borders are flooded with illegal crossing from around the globe. Adios America, without a border we got a banana republic...
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@teev9060 Those areas were what is central Mexico today. These tribes have a cultural connection with Central and South American tribes. Tenochititlan was home to the mexica Aztec, later renamed Mexico City by Spain for the mexica tribes. Mexica Aztec territory was only approx 300 miles, Montezuma Kingdom was limited to mexica lands. In fact, under Mexicos first Apatzingan Constitution of 1814, the SW far north Territories were not Mexico. The SW Territories never joined other New Spain Territories including Mexico City in the political dynamics against Spain, or participated in Mexico City's battles against Spain.
Actually, it's Mexico that cannot show any Treatys from Spain to Mexico, Spains king did not acknowledge Mexican Independence and didn't sign any lands over to Mexico. The young Republic, Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824, under its new constitution, claimed the SW lands remaining in the north after Spain Treaty'd off Florida and Louisiana. In fact, before Mexican independence, Spain was already working with M Austin, for America land grant settlers in Texas. So no Treaty between Spain and Mexico, yet there are two Treatys between the Republic of Mexico and USA, Treaty of GH and Gadsden Purchase, totaling 25 million dollars. In fact what is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico under the GH Treaty after the USA conquered and occupied Mexico flying the USA flag over Mexico. The USA could have kept All of Mexico, but wanted only the far north in closer proximity to the USA than Mexico City...
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Teev9096. Those are central Mexico today connected culturally to Central and South America. Tenochititlan was home to the mexica Aztec, renamed Mexico City by Spain after the mexica tribes. Montezuma Kingdom was limited to 300 miles in what the Spaniard called the valley of Mexico. And Spaniards knew the tribes , their lands, and the enemies...That was it, that was Mexico in 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, all of approximately 300 miles. Of all of New Spains many Territories-from today's SW, Louisiana to Florida, Central America, Mexico, Pacific coast to Canada, it was distinctively in the "valley of Mexico" that Spain designated the "Kingdom of Mexico Territory, " no where else was land of the "mexica." Refer to the New Spain map Territories pre 1800s before there was a Republic of Mexico 1824. Each New Spain Territory had its own distinct name and identity, separated by Spains government; same as each New England 13 Colonies had their own name and identity.... In fact under Mexicos first attempted Apatzingan Constitution 1814 , the SW Territories ARE NOT Mexico. Additionally the far north SW Territories never joined other New Spain Territories in the political dynamics against Spain or participated in battles against Spain. The young Republic of Mexico claimed these distant northern wilderness Territories, today's USA SW under it's 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution -- these were New Spain Territories remaining in the far north after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana, and not inclusive of Mexicos main. Not states, rather self governed provinces... Before independence, Spain was already working with M Austin for land grant American settlers in Texas. Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence and Spains King signed no Treaty to Mexico. Can say Mexico stole the lands.... Yet there are two Treatys between USA and Mexico, 25 M dollars combined. In fact, what is today Mexico is land returned by the United States to Mexico under the GH Treaty after USA conquest, occupation and flying USA flag over Mexico. USA could have taken All of Mexico had it wanted, but USA was only interested the northern Territories closest to USA than Mexico City. All is well documented, archived in Spain, Mexico City and northern New Mexico, USA.
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Very interesting, but I disagree with some points on New Spain. Their were no Treaties established by New Spain within New Spain, approx 1525-1821. There were two Treaties established between Mexico and the United States 1848--1852 , the two young nations. Todays SW, were listed as part of Mexico's provinces under Estados Unidos constitution 1824. However, under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution 1814, California, New Mexico which included Arizona; and Texas were not Mexico, according to the document. Today's SW parts of New Spains populations , were not involved in Hidalgos fights for independence nor did they take part in Mexico City's political dynamics or battles with Spain . New Spain of 300 years included several territories, far and wide, disconnected by distance, geography, cultures, tribes, politics, peoples.
The SW sparse populations, descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers under Spain and the many tribes , did not know themselves to be Mexican during the Spanish Colonial Period. Catholic Church genealogical documents record New Spain peoples as born, died , married in Spain or New Spain. Not Mexico. They were Español or mestizo according to records. But not Mexican as there was no Mexico until 1824. As they were under Spains caste system. Of the early 1500s Spanish Period, Onate was crillo, born in New Spain of Peninsular parents; his parents were Peninsulares, born in Spain who were New Spain colonists; Onates kids were mestizo, born of mixed parentage in New Spain; then there were the Indian and mulatto. But no "Mexican" under Spains caste system in New Spain. Spain controlled all aspects in New Spain as Spaniards/Españoles under Spains Empire... Equivalent to "the English," settlers in the New England colonies (Mexican and US American came about later in American history).... And there were metis among the English. All were subjects of Spains monarchal system in New Spain. New Spains peoples identified by the particular territories they were from as Mexicanos, Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos, etc as there were many territories with different tribes and histories. The only "Mexico" back then was in Tenochtitlan renamed "Mexico City" by Spain for the "mexica" Aztec who inhabited that area of approx 350 Sq miles. That was pretty much the extent of "Mexico" also called the valley of Mexico. Which was in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, the territory appropriately named by Spain in New Spain. Spains subjects there were "mexica" derived from the mexica and "nos" derived from Spain, because they belonged to the mexica tribes. The mexica were surrounded by many New Spain tribes in other territories who were not mexica Indians. So those tribes were not mexica-nos, the European Spanish were well aware of the many different tribes , their tribal enemies, their different lands all with indigenous names. Tenochtitlan was pretty much the extent of Montezumas mexica empire, destroyed by Spain. Juan de Onate was not Mexica-n and thats a fact. Politics changed after 1824 upon Mexico's independence after 300 years.
Spain never acknowledged Mexicos independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain never turned its lands over to Mexico under any treaties. Mexico piggy backed off Spains lands in north America that were left after United States and Spain land treaties/transfers with Florida and Louisiana; looks like borders changed within New Spain and the US. And Mexico , as Mexico claimed more lands under the 1824 constitution than under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution. Nevertheless Mexico claimed its lands under its constitutions. No Treaty with Spain. Mexico and Spain battled for another decade, Spain had hoped to regain the lands... so there were Treaties between Spain and the USA, Treaties between the USA and Mexico. And no treaty between Spain and Mexico. Under the 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, it's populations then became Mexican "citizens" like it or not. citizenship was mandated even to Anglo Americans living in Mexico during the 25 years Mexican Period.
You don't follow history and conflate the Spaniards with Mexicans. Totally different era's. Spain established the California missions for the Indians during the Spanish Colonial Period which were not supported or financed during the Mexican Period. During the Mexican Period, it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north which was a dangerous uninhabitable isolated wilderness. Populations were sparse because Spains era held back on colonization, serious concerns by Spain on the many unconquered far northern warrior tribes , and fear of indian uprising in the isolated wilderness, as New Spain had experienced the Spanish settler massacres during the Pueblo Revolt and another uprising in California in the very distant north territories. Still unchanged during the Mexican Period, unconquered Indians all over today's SW. Chihuahuans, Sonorans and all those south of there did not migrate north until post Mexican War, approx 1880. They first migrated to US border areas with USA westward movement and US military quelling the Apache and Comanche who had been fierce tribes and greatly feared be it the Spanish and Mexican Periods, . Under Spains period, travel was rare on the Camino Real to the far northern isolated territories. Spain had very strict laws and permission was required. Journey was once a year with military caravans. During the Mexican Period, Mexico not only opened the Chihuahua Trail 1800s but also opened borders into the USA. On the Chihuahua Trail trade or journey was not flowing steadily until late 1800s, while the Santa Fe Trail , trade from Missouri prospered during the Mexican Period. The established US/MX border area was in a vast wilderness, middle of nowhere for hundreds of miles back in 1848. Few "Mexican" families dared journey transplanting in the north during the Mexican Period , basically this was an annomily... These never had ancestral roots in what is today the US. It was mostly the Californios from the Spanish Colonial Period who had already been in California's New Spain before independence, and not necessarily patriots of the young Mexican government .
You are speculating on the USA. It became a great nation. Spain was one ally to the New England Colonies during the Revolution. So credit does not go to Spain alone. New Spain under Spain held military power because Spain was a world power. Spain had developed Mexico "City" into the most advanced city in North America early on in the 1500s almost a century before Jamestown colonization. But Spain was loosing power by 1800, simultaneously the young USA 1776 was gaining power, founded as a republic based on democracy for the people, which Mexico upon independence used as a model for the Republic of Mexico. Truth is while the USA prospered, Mexico failed as a nation. Mexico as a young nation never had the power, influence, strategy, finances, unity as mother Spain to govern the young independent Republic.
Mexico 1824 was founded by mixed peoples because of its New Spain history of incorporating the Indians and Africans into Spanish society. Yet racism did exist but was never an issue as in today's liberal politics. New England Colonies separated the Indians and African, never part of English society, thus the USA was not founded by mixed peoples. Mexico may have abolished slavery, but it was racist among its own and part of the internal revolutions in Mexico. Mexicans complain today on Mexico's government taking indigenous lands. On the other hand, USA tribes are protected under US Federal Indian laws, US government has provided reparations galore to Indians, lands back, water rights, ridiculous amounts into the millions of dollars annually funded to tribes, and Indians are sovereign over their tribal lands. They have a strong voice in US America. They aren't complaining like Mexican Indians.
All in all, the SW populations were granted their centuries homeland under Spains 225 years Spanish Colonial Period, under the Treaty of GH and never cried over 25 years under the Mexican Period. They had been Mexican citizens for 25 years, 10 for Texas and became USA citizens after the Mexican War. Mexico was a Johnnie come late to the SW 1824 , and Mexico was gone with the blink of an eye...
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How does she expect to win. Took off with Bidens campaign money with zero votes. She's an opportunist alright, but--- the DNC Hollywood high she touted is crumbling, she's obviously not the brightest crayola in the box or is a talented politician enough to serve as President; will not do press conferences, lost the debate of 2 hrs of lies, memorizing her rehearse lines, dodging questions with some balcony about dreams, aspirations , hopes. WHAT... And continues so. The Oprah rally a a flop, regardless of Hollywoodites pretensions, same nonsense. Desperate, she's headed for her failed border; and is begging for a debate, which Trump doesn't need, because he hit a homerun on both debates. She's a great cheerleader for herself but the worst presidential candidate ever. No match for Trump.
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Everyone witnesses this, those in attendance and social media. Jill, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, VIEW will deny, cover, twist n turn. It's priceless, a guest outsmarted MSNBC today with a video of todays events, and left them speechless, hilarious.... These media fail to show us the real Biden. And fail to show us the real Trump as well. Republicans have had it with Democrat and fake media lies, deception, and blaming Trump for Bidens messes...
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Mexico didn't have a chance. No treasury upon independence. No modern weapons. No unity or patriotism. Mexico owed money to France, Spain and Great Britain... The outer northern territories California, Texas and New Mexico which included Arizona didn't join Hidalgo in his fight for independence, neither did they participate in Mexico City's political dynamics or battles with Spain. They wanted independence from Mexico, were too far from Mexico City, the heart and core. And closer to the USA. In fact Spain had Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana and Spain was in the process of negotiations with American M Austin for land grant American settlers in Texas. Had Spain not claimed the territories of New Spain in the 1500s there would never have been a Mexico. It was all Spains, Great Britains, France, Russian explorations, land claims, land disputes, treaties, purchases, borders, war, conquest. Mexico lost the lands it claimed in no time of 2 decades. What is Mexico today is land returned by the USA. Spain didn't recognize Mexican independence or turn over lands to Mexico under any treaty. Spain took lands underhandedly, claimed lands under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos, made the people Mexican citizens. Great video...
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@faded8524 Fake, he was not on the way to help Mexico (Cancun). You have it all backwards, Biden is the one who helps illegals invading the United States. Trump controlled the border, ask the Mexicos president, he knows Biden created a crisis at the border and knows Trump would never even think of such nonesense negativally impacting the United States. Comments from snowflakes are so obvious, haven't a clue what's happening.
I don't deny what Cruz did, it was bad judgement seeing him at the airport, but he did not vacation, he turned right back to Texas to further address the emergency. Where was Biden, he was not in Texas during the emergency as he should have, didn't even send Harris.
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People have always gotten a vaccine to protect themselves, not others . Which is their right as well as it's the right of the unvaccinated to do as they choose with their bodies. HIPPA protects our privacy and whether or not you're vaccinated is no one's business. It's too bad for Americans that the government is sticking their nose into all aspects of citizens life, just like a communist regeme. It's excessive Democrst Liberal goverenment and will get worse unless we the people can save our republic. Our nation has become a government for the politician, not for the people... vaccines are not proven safe, and proven not to protect against CoVID. Bidens regeme has halted proven drugs like Ivermictin which were prescribed under Trump. And if used for CoVID treatment will prevent hospitalization. As it is one is almost in ICU before the hospital administers Ivermictin, or other like drugs. At least 75% of people are low risk or have natural antibodies, so there's no need to vaccinate except for the three trillions dollars Big Pharma is making off the vaccine. CoVID is all political, the liberal media scars us. And Biden says federal postal employee's will not be required to vacinnate. Why, because postal workers carry the Democratic votes to the country court hose to be counted, but some how these federal workers miraculously don't get CoVID. Follow the $$$. Bidens a known liar and his speech was filled with crap. And for trying so hard to convince Americans who he cares nothing for, he rushed off the stage, making sure no questions asked. Hmmmm.
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@Real_OSHA_Unsafety_Engineer No Mexico did not inherent the annexed lands from Spain. Spain did not sign the Treaty of Cordova in 1821 with Mexico as Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence. Mexico's imperialist ego claimed much of Spains territories which it was unable to control. Under the Apatzingan Constitution, Mexico's first in 1814, California, New Mexico/Arizona, California are not Mexico, these territories were not involved in that part of New Spains independence (today's central Mexico), were not involved in Hidalgos political cause for independence, were no part of those territories battles with Spain. They were too far from Mexico City and neighboring lands/territories which were home to Aztec, Taracans and other ancient empires a thousand miles away.... Spain did not support Mexico during the Mexican American War. New Spain was many Territories acquired by Spains explorations encompassing several decades. The far north, California to Canada, New Mexico, Texas were some of the last, tierras nuevas, along with Florida which extended to Louisiana within the continent. Far and wide, including Cuba, Phillipines, Caribbeans, Central America, and present day Mexico.
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@junior1497 Yet northern- central NM had the first 1598 settlement and richest Spanish Colonial history in the SW. The Mexican Period 1824 hardly brought any Mexicans, and US Territorial Periods 1848 and 1912 statehood, NM was basically unindustrial which did not attract Mexicans so northern NM retained its Spanish Colonial heritage being the Spanish stronghold in the SW. Southern NM was populated approx 1880s, mostly during the Territorial Period by Mexicans who had direct connections to Mexico in culture and blood. Arizona had been part of NM until the Territorial Period. And California, New Mexico and Texas had similar histories during the Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821. By the time they were colonized the conquistador era was over, they were New Spains northern outposts for French and Russian intrusion into Spains territories, the Indians were unconquered, life was very distant, isolated, uninhabitable and Spain did not populate or make roadways to New Orleans because of the dangerous conditions, especially fear of Indian revolts.
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@ProtomanButCallMeBlues uneducated... Mexicans are citizens of Mexico comprised of many nationalities. Mexican is not a race. Furthermore , Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, and USA descendants of Spanish Colonial SW and from Louisiana to Florida on the American continent, are all citizens of many Spanish American nationalities. Not necessarily New Spain and have historically identified and still do to their country of origin as Mexicanos, Guatamalos, Argentinos. Even those from the Spanish Caribbean as Cubanos, Puerto Ricaños... All Spanish America are culturally different, by history, geography, borders, politics, tribes, peoples.
Mexico is nothing but lands left over in north America in New Spain after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. Mexico claimed these lands under the new Republic of Mexico government, Estados Unidos constitution 1824. "Mexico" borders changed 4 times within 40 years from no borders as there was no Mexico, to the 1814 Apatzingan constitution under which California, New Mexico and Texas are not Mexico; to Mexicos lands claimed in 1824; to half the lands returned to Mexico in 1848 under the Treaty of GH to include Mexico's heart and core. The USA kept the distant California and SW which were not part of Mexico's main, unincorporated, an not ancestrally Mexico.
Upon Mexican independence which was not acknowledged by Spain under any treaty, Mexicans hated and expulsed Spaniards and to date many Mexicans hold a hated for Spain, Cortez, Spanish. And historically proud of Mexican, their mixed Indian blood, holding a distinction between Mexican and Spanish... As compared to pockets in Spanish SW , Spanish Americans, culturally different from the Mexican, the SW not ancestrally Mexico. No question, had it not been for Spain, there would be no Mexico 300 years later, but Mexicans--citizens of Mexico, hardly identify as Spanish. It's a fact, Mexicans didn't even knew anything "Hispanic" upon entry into the USA at the turn of this century. Hispanic being a 1960s USA Census Bureau classification for people from Spanish speaking countries, rarely in use until the 1990s in USA with uncontrolled Mexican migration, popularized by media and politicians during this time. "Hispanic" unknown outside of USA borders until recently. Yet, Hispano was well acknowledged in the SW. Mexicans in the 21st century are doing DNA and learning of their Spanish blood and and more acceptable of European
The Spaniards headed toward the north todays USA SW to California and tierra nuevas by land and sea. But the Pacific Coast lands were disputed territories among the Spaniard, the English and Russian. And upon Mexican independence, todays SW were open for takeover by GreatBritain and Russia. The Russian and Spaniard were in today's Washington and Oregon over two centuries before Mexico. And Great Britain ships were sailing the areas. "Mexicans" are Johnnie come late to California and SW. Arriving not until the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. They may have had Spanish blood, but they were totally different from the descendants of the 275 years SW Spanish Colonial Period, the SW being the homeland in this part of New Spain and Mexican government met with resistance. Those from Sonora, Sinaloa or anywhere south did not have ancestral roots in the distant north. In fact, those Mexicans who dared come during the Mexican Period were attacked by the Kumeyaay tribes in southern California reduced to almost no outsider Mexican. Not to mention Mexicans fear of the Comanche, of which Mexicans didn't even go near Texas during the Mexican Period. While the Spanish colonists had developed good relationships with Comanche since 1770. And what about the Kiowa and Apache attacks in Sonora and Sinaloa, leaving ranches and mines in shreds. The SW "Spanish" history of 275 years can go on and on--colonization, battles with Indians, expeditions to further north, protecting New Spain against Russian and French intrusion, conquered the Comanche, toiled the northern soil, etc. New Mexico and California were easily taken by the USA in the MexicanWar--hardly a Mexican soldier in sight. Mexico had to bring soldiers from the south. "Mexican" history was just starting in 1824, 25 year presence in the far north. A different government, different peoples, different cultures, different parts of New Spain. Same language as all were claimed/colonized during the European exploration era by Spain. Generally, Mexican didn't settle during the Mexican Period because the SW was far, isolated, uninhabitable wilderness, in many parts impassable. It's because of the USA that Mexicans look only north. The Spanish were already in the SW, didn't participate in Mexican independence or Mexico City politics against Spain. Mexicans have no need for Central America, of which parts had been Mexico for a short time too...These Spanish lands are all but forgotten, Mexico makes no claim to its south.... So rodeo and cowboys are Mexican. So what. The prosperous USA made the SW what it us today and the American Texan and Hollywood put rodeos on the map. It's nothing but cultural influences which has happened by migrations since the beginning of time... The horse, cow, saddle, alfalfa came from European countries connected in many ways, even blood relations. Uneducated haha... you gotta be referring to yourself.
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@Egr-et6ar aridoamerican is nothing but a an ecological desert region . Big deal. An anthropologist theory. "Precolonial Mexico" is a misleading term as there was no Mexico until 1824, on lands limited to territories claimed by Spain. Spain introduced "Mexico" to common use because of Mexico City, land of the mexica Aztec, to become the influencal province in New Spain, because the government administrations viceroy and Europeans fine development was limited to the Kingdom of Mexico Territory early in the Colonial era, central Mexico today . Before European invasion, the lands were inhabited by many different tribes identified by indigenous names from Alaska to Argentina. Who pillaged, slaved, killed, genocided weaker tribes for natural resources. Never one nation, one government or one people. Tribes had been extinct since before European conquest.
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Mexico only claimed today's SW for barely 25 year's. The Mexico City and surrounding Territories of New Spain fought Spain for a decade to gain independence. Of which Spain did not acknowledge, Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. The young Republic of Mexico claimed the SW under its 1824 Constitution, lands remaining in the far north after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. Mexico gave into the USA after 25 years independence. Two years into the Mexican War, Mexico gave up, just like it did with Texas. Mexico was conquered by the USA. What's Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico by the USA under the Treaty of GH, including its heart and core, Mexico City. USA could have taken All of Mexico, but was only interested in the far northern Territories in close proximity to the US, removed from "Mexico's" main. During the Mexican Period, the Mexican government only came as far as today's SW became it was colonized by Spain. Mexico government never reached the more distant wilderness of Nevada, Wyoming, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah. All was covered by thousands of unconquered Indians ready to attack. Stolen nothing. Mexicos military was conquered. Followed by two Treatys including 25 million dollars.
Invasion--ask the Comanche, Kiowa, Apache. The hated Mexico invading their indigenous lands. So did the Kumeyay and other tribes. Bitterly battling Sonora and Sinoma. They never knew themselves as Mexican and knew their lands were not Mexico.
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@JamesEgert-zx3bi All of New Spain was claimed by Spain-- Many Territories by name including California to Florida, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Pacific coast, Caribbeans, Philippines. Breaking away from Spain since the late 1700s as Florida n Louisiana by treaties. Mexico City and surrounding Territories claimed independence 1821 and claimed its lands under the Constitution of Mexico, including parts of Central America and todays SW - California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas including Colorado, Utah, Nevada up to Wyoming. All of these plus parts of Central America broke away from Mexico by independence or Treaty within 25 years.
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You must be referring to Biden, you know the guy whose obviously lost on the stage, shakes hands with no one, gives you babbled speeches, reads all his scipts, falls on stairs, bikes, stage.... follows direction from we don't know who, created inflation, left millions of USA dollars in Afghanistan, made us energy dependent, let's Mexican cartels run our border, forced you to get vaccined, closed the nation, pays people to stay home, and the list goes on. And has no respect from world leaders. Bet you voted this listless , wobbly president and you'll do it again. Some people are just upside down... your free check and unlimited benefits will be in the mail. lol
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@killermentality8859 America is different nations, from Canada to Argentina, young nations in fact, starting in 1776 with the USA. American nations adopted languages from the mother tongues, English, Spanish French, and Portuguese. Much of Argentina is Italian.
The native tribes were many, many languages, and never one government. So there is also diversity in America. As a young continent, American never had the ancient migration, world empires, control, mobility, military, battles, religion, education, cultures, or countries as Europe. It was the European, his ships, horse and guns that connected the American continent.
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Natives did not originate in the American continent. And there's archeological evidence not all came from the northern Bering Strait. Ancients migrated by land and sea. American Indians were nomads, migrated for centuries and most had established where they were when Europeans intervened. Atzlan is a mythological legend, with fables of it being in the west coast, or a paradise island in a lake, and to the north,, todays SW. Or other locations. No evidence of Atzlan anywhere.
The north SW legend fits the Mexican immigrant Chicano movement just fine to justify stolen lands. But they have nothing to substantiate Atzlan anywhere in the SW. Aztec are connected to Central and South America cultures and SW Indians don't acknowledge the Aztec as their ancient tribes of long ago.
Mexico as an independent nation 1821, was never united. It was racially divided, internal rebellions since its founding after independence. If the USA had taken all of Mexico, Mexicans would have rebelled against the "gringo" which means stranger. If Mexicans could not get along amongst there own, they were not going to accept governance by an outsider. Mexico was a different language , culture, and Catholic nation. And why would Protestant USA take on the responsibility of a racist rebellions peoples. The USA was only interested in Texas, California and New Mexico, Manifest Destiny Period. Besides back in 1848, racism was not political or an issue as today when every problem is twisted to racism by propagandists.
Historically the mexica Aztec were from Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City after the "mexica" tribes by Spain. "Mexico City" was mexica indigenous land, inclusive of what Spaniards called the valley of Mexico, approx 350 sq miles; not the entirety of today's Mexico. It was in today's central Mexico. New Spain was comprised of many tribes. And as Spaniards explored lands far and wide in the 16th century, thousands of miles, they became familiar with the many tribes, learned their distinct inherent lands which had indigenous names, and knew which tribes were enemy to other tribes. Indians innately knew which tribe they belonged to, In fact, Spaniard H Cortez learned very soon which tribes were enemy to the mexica Aztec and allied with with the enemy to defeat Montezuma. Mexico as a nation today exists only because of historic events--from Spains explorations, to Spains claims, Spains influence, to the splitting of Spains many far and wide Territories and diversity by geography, cultures, tribes, histories etc, not all of New Spains Territories became the Republic of Mexico. All New Spain Territories were governed under Spain for approx 300 years--depending on Territory, independence aquired or Treaty'd off, and today's Mexico is returned lands by the USA under the Treaty of GH. Had Mexico not claimed independence from Spain, there would not have been a Mexican War . Mexico took much land too, greed? They were Spains lands. And took a bigger bite than it could chew. No longer the 16th century, Spain was no longer the world power, 1800s Spain knew it needed American settlers to fight the Comanche to protect its Spanish colonization in isolated distant Texas. And willing to permit Americans Spanish land grants in Texas. Under independence a couple years later, Mexico's government also allowed Americans land grant settlements described under Mexican law. New Mexico/Arizona and Texas are not ancestrally Mexico. Mexico in 25 years of governing these lands barely made a dent. Mexico was gone in the blink of an eye... interesting how people say the SW was Mexico, but fail to mention for only 25 years.
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@TheodoreRizzo Mexicans Indians are from Mexico, Central American Indians are from Central America, South Americans Indians are from South America, USA Indians are from USA, Canadian Indians are from Canada , Alaskan Indians from Alaska. We all know that. Never were one people, one government or one nation. And Indians migrated from Asia and other places by land and sea. Just like the European or any other ethnicity in America. Starting in 1776, American nations were formed. Each has their sovereign borders with immigration laws. And each Indian identifies to a tribe associated with which ever nation they are from as Peru, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, USA, Canada. A Costa Rican Indian cannot just go to Mexico without immigration law. A Mexican cannot go to Ɓrazil without immigration law. A USA Indian cannot go to Ecuador without immigration law. A Canadian Indian cannot go to Guatamala without immigration law. Even within nations tribes cannot enter other tribes lands without permission, such as a Navaho entering Zuni land. Get the picture...
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Mexico inherited nothing from Spain. Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. There is no Treaty turning over any of Spains lands to Mexico. After Mexican independence, the young Republic of Mexico claimed its lands under its Estados Unidos 1824 constitution. Uuder Mexicos first 1814 Apatzingan constitution California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas are not Mexico. What is today Mexico, is lands returned to Mexico by the United States under the 1848 Treaty of GH and the 1852 Gadsden Purchase. Mexico was conquered after 25 years as a nation, the USA occupied Mexico flying its flag over Mexico City. The USA was in position to take All of Mexico, but was interested in only California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas. Prior to independence, Spain had agreed with M Austin to permit American land grant settlers in Texas. Spain had given up on Louisiana and Florida no longer a World Empire and engaged in a war in Europe during the political dynamics and battles against Spain in the Mexico City and surrounding Territories in New Spain. CA, NM, TX parts of New Spain were not involved with Mexico City towards independence. There history was a different geography, tribes, culture's, in fact the tribes were not conquered, except for NM Pueblo, Spanish never merged with the Indian to form a mestizo culture, the raiding Indians lived in far proximity from Spanish settlements. Barely financed or Colonized by Spain due to distance, and fear of Indian uprisings, serving Spain to Catholize the subjugated Pueblos, and guard against Russian and French intrusion. The SW was destined for the USA as the 1800s Spains circumstances had changed.
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All the USA did was win a war Mexico started and couldn't defend itself. To begin with, there would have been no Mexico if Mexico City had not claimed independence from Spain and took Spains lands. So stop crying over lands that belonged to the Navaho, Comanche, Pueblo, Mohave, Karenkara, Piute, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Apache, Arapahoe, Shoshone, Shasta, Chumash and hundreds more. They hated Mexico 1800s imposing on their inherent lands and some of those tribes fiercely battled Sonora and Sinaloa leaving them in shreds. Mexican they were not....
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Vote radical extreme communist minded Harris who will regulate everything and you won't afford taxes. That's how citizens end up In poverty food lines like Venezuela and Cuba who are warning Americans as they can see the writing on the wall if Marxists win the election. If America votes-in Harris who is cancel culture anti American WOKE cult and proud of it. Un derstand Woke is ruining America-- open border, border crime, migration crime like rape, murder, kidnapping, terrorists, dangerous gangs. Plus so much more destabilizaton of America. Woke damage is ruining American patriot values under our constitutional republic which protects Americans rights to free speech, right to bear arms, among many other rights, threatened by Democrat politicians who admittedly are Woke.
Abortions are in the hands of each state so your governor and state legislators regulate abortions. Not Trump or any president can ban abortion because abortion laws are not federally regulated in the government halls of Washington DC. And Harris wants control under federal law. Harris lies about Roe v Wade which was regulated by pregnancy tri- mester, so she just uses ROE politically to fool women for votes and has used Planned Parenthood politically to use fetus, a controversy over profits, nevertheless Planned Parenthood donated towards Harris campaign. Harris uses "abortion" as womens productive rights which is really woman's deproductive rights. 79% Americans feel Harris is on the wrong track for Americans who most are strangers to cancel culture WOKE as patriotism is inherent to Americans, while marxist Harris cannot defend the other 21%.
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I don't see how. Under Mexicos first , Apatzingan Constitution ---California, Texas, New Mexico/Arizona are not Mexico. Mexico borders have changed from no Mexico to no border, the Apatzingan border 1814, under the 1824 Constitution border when Mexico claimed Spains lands, then the 1848 final US border. The SW is not historically Mexico and the Apache, Navaho, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Comanche, Piute, Pueblo, Cheyenne, Kiowa and hundreds of northern tribes will tell you the same. On top of that the entire SW was claimed by Spain, Texas had been claimed by France and California was claimed by Russia.
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@oirampeceda2409 Apparently the difference between Spain (New Spain) and Mexico is different era's, Spain up to 1821 after 300 years. Mexico a new nation in1824. New Spain was controlled by Spain -- explorations, land claims, conquest, government , political climate, Spains king, New Spains viceroy. Mexico was a different era founded by mestizos, government was not a monach, rather a Republic. Mexico did not have the influence, power, money as Spains great empire. No need to conflate Spain with Mexico. Totally different era's. All Mexico did was piggyback off Spains lands left over after Spain Treaty'd New Spains Florida and Louisiana by 1800. Mexico claimed its lands on paper, Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution 1824. Citizens became Mexican. Mexico was not able to claim Cuba, also New Spain Lands were never Treaty'd from Spain to Mexico, because Spains king did not accept Mexican independence. You might say Mexico stole Spains lands. You need a history book...
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@oirampeceda2409 You mention the Treaty of Cordova, signed by New Spains viceroy, rejected by Spains monarchal system which didn't recognize independence of overseas provinces. Spains king refused to sign the Treaty. Battles continued until 1836 followed by the Calatrava Treaty which was recognition between Spain and Mexico of peace between both nations. There was never a Treaty between Spain and Mexico on land transfers. However Mexico and the USA created a document, the Treaty of Limits, based on the USA/Spain, Onis Adams Treaty to prevent border issues between both young nations, never expecting any of their territories to become an independent Republic as what ensued with the Texas Republic which was annexed by the USA sparking a war on disputed land.
Colonization between the New England colonies and New Spain territories were opposite poles. Spain incorporated Indians to society to form a mestizo culture, while Great Britain colonists separated the Indians from their main. Consequently after over a century and a half, the USA was founded by Europeans, the English governing body was exclusive of Indians or metis; while Mexico was founded by mixed races, a mestizo if you will, inclusive of two cultures. I never stated Mexico 1821 was only mestizo. Pure exaggeration on your part. Some of Mexico's revolutions were conflicts among crillos, mestizo and indian.
The USA was well aware of Spains lands and USA and Spains border lands, negotiating with Spain. The USA also knew of Mexican Independence acquired lands, negotiations were with Mexico.
There are still land grants in the Spanish SW, not all lands were taken by Anglo and in some cases it was rich Spanish folks who were involved in the theft. Most have put this in the past. It appears you like many Mexicans have an issue with Spain and true to your native heritage. That's your right.
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@kansasgoldilocks Historically New Mexico has two cultures other than the indigenous natives. The Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821 was Spanish colonization under Spain from Socorro NM to Taos NM, primarily Pueblo tribes territories. The Spanish heritage has been preserved from early colonization because NM as well as California and Texas were very distant and isolated, no outside influence from other parts of New Spain or Europeans. By the time of colonization in the far north, Spain separated the Spanish from the Indian, they lived apart, each retained their language, religion and cultures, though there was some contact, even mixed blood. Spain was very strict and journey was once annually with military caravans. All of New Spains borders were guarded and closed to the French and Russian. The vast majority of Indians in California and SW were dangerous, unconquered and Indians did not have much contact with the Spanish, so a merged mestizo culture did not spring up in these northern parts of New Spain. The Spanish remained Spanish and Indian remained Indian to date in northern NM. The mixed identified to the culture they were raised. Mestizo was/is rarely heard in central/northern NM by either culture.
The Mexican Period 1821-1846. The Republic of Mexico opens the borders... There's are now trade routes. Chihuahua Trail to the north and the Santa Fe Trail from US Missouri. Americans began settling from Texas, New Mexico to California. Basically it was the Mexican government officials who transplanted north, to California, Texas and New Mexico which included Arizona. The Mexican government ended up in the same, Socorro to Taos as southern NM was uninhabitable, barren and unpopulated. Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos were permitted to stay in their centuries homeland after the Mexican War, under the Treaty of GH to become US citizens. After the Mexican Period 1846, during the US Territorial Period, more towards 1880, Chihuahuans and Sinaloans began migration to border areas with the US westward movement. Simultaneously Americans were settling in border areas also. Mexicans as well as Anglos founded settlements in the border areas where you find towns with Spanish and English names. Mexicans bringing the Mexican culture and Spanish language, having direct blood ties and connections to Mexico. Same with the Anglo who brought the English language and American culture. On the other hand, northern NM have been here in the homeland for four centuries, were here before there was ever a Mexico. We are not Latin American immigrants. Same can be said of Spanish Colonial Californios, Tejanos, Spanish Florida. And Louisiana where the Spanish got absorbed by French and Indian. Northern NMs are not Mexican American. Interestingly to the Mexican amongst central/northern NMs, they know we are not Mexican. The southern NM Mexican culture is linked to Mexican mestizo heritage. Central/north NM is Spanish in heritage, yet there is a shared cultures after over 400 years. The Pueblo tribes were subjugated by the Spaniard. And the Apache and Navaho genizaro who were captured as children and raised Spanish. And the other way around, Spanish children captured and raised Indian. These were historically an exception during the Spanish Colonial era. The Pueblo were allies to the Spanish against warrior tribes. Spain awarded the Pueblo Indians
Spanish land grants which they still hold to date, honored by the US Federal government and protected under Federal Indian Law. Because of owners of 1700 Spanish land grants they were not removed from their lands as other US tribes by the US government.
There had been northern NMs who actually were born under Spains flag, lived during the Mexican Period and died US citizens. And notified by officials of the new governments they were under. Mexican is not a race, it's a citizenship. Both the USA and Mexico citizens are inclusive of indigenous, European, African, Asian, etc.
In northern New Mexico, Mexicans didn't colonize during statehood as in California and Texas, because there were no job opportunities, consequently northern NM remained Spanish. It's the last 20 years that there's an influx of Mexicans north of Albuquerque. And there is a notable difference in cultures between northern and southern New Mexico. Northern NM is the Spanish stronghold in the Americas mainly because the Spanish and Indian didn't merge cultures during the 250 year Spanish Colonial Period. The northern NM Spanish culture is being threatened by Mexico's influx.
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@eliseomartinez7911 During the Spanish Colonial Period there were no Mexicans as there was no Mexico. Under New Spain, Spains caste system was Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto but no Mexican. Spain identified its subjects by tribes or Territory. Mexico City being New Spains capital and seat of Spains viceroy was in the Territory of the Kingdom of Mexico and it was this Territory referred to as Mexico, which also land of the mexica Aztec tribes, about 350 sq miles, known also as the valley of mexica by Spaniards. That was the extent of Mexico during the Spanish Period.
During the 1821-1846 Mexican Period, those New Spain territories subjugated under the new Mexican Republic government became Mexican by citizenship and under the new Mexican flag. Mexico tried Cuba too, but looks like Cubanos didn't become Mexican. And Spain had Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana, so looks like they missed out on getting labeled Mexican ....
It was basically Mexican government officials who transplanted north to California, New Mexico and Texas, a handful of Mexican soldiers were given Mexican land grants to encourage settlers in a desert wilderness California, but it was not the typical Sonorans or Sinaloans or those south of there who settled north. After the Mexican Period, under the Treaty of GH, the Spanish Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos remained in the homeland and became US Americans. No longer Mexican citizens. Northern NM remained Spanish because few Mexicans immigrated, there being more Nuevomexicanos than Mexicans so central and especially northern Nuevomexicanos were not influenced by Mexican culture as Tejanos who were basically incorporated to Mexican culture, yet some may still acknowledge their Spanish Tejano history. But cannot relate in Spanish culture to central northern NM. Still in central NM, folks are Spanish cultured even with influx of Mexicans after the 1960s. And not many identify to Mexican American. There's still an inherent Spanish heritage in the original NM Spanish Colonial settlements as Spain left a a well rooted Spanish heritage, was not mixed with the Indian. Heritage is being lost, not necessarily because of Mexican, but because of 1960s US government Census Bureau classification of "Hispanic" a government generic term for anyone in the United States from a Spanish speaking country regardless of whether or not of Spanish origin. With the influx of Mexicans during the turn of this century Hispanic was popularized by politicians and media and in northern NM, a Hispanic Mexican American Governor Richardson, drew attention to "Hispanic," popularizing Hispanic to where younger generation northern Nuevomexicanos no longer identify with Spanish, instead Hispanic or Latino. Immigrant Mexicans didn't know anything Hispanic but learned under title programs , Hispanic unknown outside the USA and until recent times, Latin Americans have learned to accept Hispanic. Then Mexican immigrant Chicano Studies , which don't have a leg to stand on historically, have also negatively influenced the NM culture. Still very few from Spanish NM identify as Mexican American. Many still identify as Spanish American instead of Hispanic. California's early statehood 1880, populated by mostly Anglo, made a distinction between Spanish ( colonists) and Mexican in those early days before much Mexican migration. Same language, different culture. Spanish California became absorbed by Anglo and Mexican. Nevertheless to your point, Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos of the Spanish era, 1598-1821, did not come from Mexico. Are not immigrants or Mexican American. Onates letter from NM to the viceroy in Mexico City referred to New Spain. It was early New World 1598, people got off ships in Vera Cruz and headed to Peru, or different parts/territories of New Spain. Spanish Period settlers are not to be conflated with Mexicans who began migration to the USA approx 1880s, more during the Mexican Revolution 1910 , and 1960s Immigration Act brought millions, and uncontrolled borders even more millions that came from todays Mexico. Mexico and the USA are indigenous tribes lands with a history of exploration, land claims, land disputes-- Spain, Russia, Great Britain, treaties, independence, purchases, more land claims by USA and Mexico, battles/wars, conquest, more treaties, borders changes. There were actually Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos born under Spains flag, lived under the Mexican flag and died under the USA flag, notified by officials of government changes. 25 years does not make a Mexican. Mexican Americans ancestral roots are not from anywhere USA, as are Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos. Land grants are a different issue, many of those lands are US public domain or Forest lands. And land grants still exist. Other than land grants, many original Spanish NMs still hold titles to many lands acquired from Pueblo tribes during the Mexican Period, because the Mexican government allowed the Pueblos to sell their lands without limits. During statehood, some Indians wanted lands returned and US federal courts in a few cases returned lands...
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@@Azhairmaven77 They were claimed by the Mexican government in 1824 under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, don't forget, FOR ONLY 24 YEARS, 1824-1848 SW Mexican Period. Colorado, Montana, and those several other states, never ever had Mexican settlers during the 24 year Mexican Period because those territories were never populated, so there was no need for the Mexican government officials after 1824 to go that far north, to govern nobody... During the Mexican Period, the Indians like the Piutes, Shoshone, Utes , Arapahoe, Cheyenne and other far northern tribes, were unconquered, and were in full control of their lands, and didn't ever know their inherent tribes to be Mexican because they weren't... Mexicans came to Colorado, Montana and those several other states much later, after those states were well into being part of the United States.
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@Duquedecastro There was no Mexican law in 1820, simply because there was no Mexico until independence. Spain was a monarchy and different governing system from Mexico. Same as Great Britain and the USA. Both American new nations were no longer under control or laws of the motherland.
Odd you refer to J Piedras as his position was military and at odds with Santa Ana and other Mexicans officials, but Mexico was not a united government. Nevertheless there are Texas Land Grant maps 1824-1836 which document Anglo American land grant owners in Texas. Look them up...
Prior to Mexican independence, Spaniard Antonio Maria Martinez, born in Spain, assumed political and governorship of Spanish Texas 1817. Spains monach was concerned over Canary Island Spanish Colonial settlers in distant, isolated , wilderness Tejas New Spain which was sparsely populated, settlers lived in dangerous conditions because of warrior Comanche relentlessly attacking settlers with no protection. Spain projected Texas American settlers under land grants to populate the Territory. Gov Martinez approved Moses Austin for permission to bring 300 settlers to Spanish Texas by specific criteria under Spain.
After Mexican independence 1821, Martinez allegiance was to then to Mexican Emperor Interbide, who signed the first permit for settlements of Americans in Texas under Austin's colony. Followed by the Texas legislature passing a law conforming Interbides Act by his congress including laws of acreage granted to settlers, Texas was enormous wilderness territory and hundreds of acres were granted to land grant settlers. . Mexico later enacted the General Colonization Act 1824 to increase acquisition of lands in TX, regardless of race, religion, immigrant status. Santa Ana later ripped the constitution, Mexico was without directives and this lead to conflicts between Texans and Mexican inconsistent governance. American settlers in Mexico was legal, it's documented by land grant owners and Mexican law. During the 25 years SW Mexican Period, Americans Increasingly outnumbered Mexicans.
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@Duquedecastro First of all, Mexicans are Citizens from Mexico. Mexico is not an ancient nation, its only 200 years old. What is Mexico today is returned land to Mexico after the Mexican War under the Treaty of GH by USA. The War took place 25 years after independence. Had there been no independence from Spain, there would be no Mexican War or no Mexico today. Mexico is nothing but a nation, the result of historical events. SW history is approx 225 years Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821 7 under Spains laws and flag; 25 years Mexican Period and 175 USA citizens.
You are totally wrong. Your ancestor was not Mexican and never founded Santa Fe in 1598 as in 1598 there was no Santa Fe. Oñate, founder of NM colonized San Gabriel in 1598, among the San Juan Pueblo Indians, San Gabriel is the first capital of the USA. Santa Fe was founded 1610 a few miles south of San Gabriel by Gov Peralta. Both Oñate and Peralta were Spaniards. Oñates letter to the viceroy referred to "Mexico City" as New Spain, not Mexico according to the document. California was founded by J Serra 1776, another Spaniard and his friars also came from European Spain and never identified as Mexican. European Spain did the explorations, land claims (New Spain Territories), Spains European ships, Spains horses, Spain weapons, Spains purse. The Spanish Colonial Period was governed by Spains king by Spains viceroy in Mexico City. New Spain was controlled by Spain----government, explorations, Catholicism, Spanish language, political climate, European buildings, Spanish influence. In fact had Spain not claimed what is Mexico today 300 years ago, there would be no Mexico as it was Spain who renamed Tenochtitlan "Mexico City" for the mexica Aztec tribes, central Mexico today and home to the mexica tribes. Spain made Mexico City the seat of Spains viceroy--the kings representative, Mexico City the most important city in New Spain, Spanish influenced, governing all New Spains many Territories far and wide. The caste system in New Spain was Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. But no Mexican. Even genealogical Church records do not document Mexico or Mexican, they document Spain or New Spain, Español, mestizo or indio. "Mexico " arrived in the SW late in history, not until 1824, Mexican Period. Hardly ancestral. Mexicans are nothing ancestral in SW. In fact the Mexican government bribed those from south of today's borders with land grants to settle in SW during the Mexican Period after 1824. And not many came. Anglo Americans were settlers just after Mexican independence so they are as ancestral as Mexicans, in fact they were Mexican citizens during the 25 years Mexican Period... It took three centuries for the Republic of Mexico to grow out of Spains Mexico City... The SW Spanish Period Colonial settlers were a different peoples, up to over a thousand miles away from those Sonorans and Sinaloans--the latter were not rooted in today's SW. SW peoples remained in the ancestral homeland under the Treaty of Hidalgo to become US citizens. You conflate Spain with Mexico, Spanish with Mexican, and have no sense of SW historical Periods. The history is documented in volumes of records archived in Spain, Mexico City and Santa Fe...
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The US had a total right by war, conquest, occupation, flying the United States flag over Mexico City, Treaty, 25 million dollars , border. Apparently you have an empty brain. Besides these were inherent lands to Navaho, Ute, Comanche, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Piaut, Kiowa Apache plus many more USA tribes still in their lands. So you lost nothing but common sense.
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Right, Mexico was not even Mexico 25 years prior the Mexican War, the GH Treaty, Border or annexed lands. The United States was not the USA until 1776. They had been lands claimed by Spain, Great Britain and France. Prior they were lands occupied by many nomadic native tribes who were never united. The lands became nations after revolutions, independence. Add on land disputes, treaties, annexed borders, purchases. Mexico is nothing special, they lost some of the land they barely claimed to War. In fact, the United States could have taken all of Mexico had the US wanted it, Yucatan begging for annexation. Five years later Mexico under the US Gadson Purchase got another ten million dollars for additional land. Centuries of human nature dictates the victor takes the spoils, it's an innate law, written in our DNA. Hawaii had always been Hawaii, Hawaiians always Hawaiians. On the other hand California and the SW were not historically Mexico. In fact the northern native tribes as Navajo, Ute, Caddo, Shasta, Chumash, Piaute, Kiowa , Comanche , Mohave, Pueblo plus hundreds more, never did and still don't know themselves to be Mexican or their indigenous lands to be Mexico. And still live in their USA lands. It's really strange how Mexicans who never had roots in California, New Mexico, Texas cry over stolen lands while the indigenous to what is today the US never cry over Mexico. 25 years was nothing to these tribes, in fact they were still unconquered tribes who basically still controlled the land back in most the 1800s. Until Kit Carson gottem...
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Liberal Democrats just came up with edits excuse last week. For months Biden has displayed decline falling on Airforce One stairs , falling on stage at a military ceremony-even making an excuse, unable to get up by himself, so that was no edit. He has been obviously lost on stage more than once, shook hands with no one, tried sitting on no chair in the company of the French President and his wide, while Jill had to lead him away from the event for Veterans, the Frence President had to fill in for Biden, nothing fake. Plus many more booboos unbecoming to the Commander in Chief. Democrats are desperate and now are trying to put doubts in Dumocrats minds with editing, another lie, on true blue pride who never check the facts.
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@adantorres8056 Then why didn't the Mexicans and their powers that be get the land right back. It's because the United States conquered ALL OF MEXICO AT WAR, occupied it's capital, Mexico City with the US 🇺🇸 flying over it. But the United States only wanted the out in the middle of nowhere, far north, connected to the United States Mexico knew that the victor takes the spoils. Mexico is nothing special in the world, rules of victory are inherent to nature, pendejo.... Mexico was forutunate that the United States negotiated and returned half of Mexico. The Mexican government was only too glad to get 15 million dollars out of the deal because it was pitifully in serious debt and gobbled up the money and five years later Mexico, with not a rifle in sight, negotiated the Gadson Purchase for another 10 million dollars. Additionally Mexico was barely a baby nation in 1846, just off the bottle, trying to act like the big guy which it was far from.... In fact Europe still had it's hands in young Mexico until the 1860s never even touching the now part of the United States California and the SW which were not even historically Mexico. As far as that goes Florida to Louisiana had been Spains possessions also. What was so illegal about losing a war.....and signing a Treaty. That's like saying Mexico illegally stole from Spain. Some Mexicans have dumb excuses.
THE LANDS BELONGED TO SPAIN for 300 years, who was Mexico, nobody but a Jonny come late. Barely claimed a distant unincorporated foreign land for a blink of the eye, all of 25 years. Boo hoo. History 101. Whoever influenced you to believe wars and treaties were illegal back in 1848 are out of their minds.
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@BrandonPerez-ob7hs Actually the Aztec are from "Mexico City" area, or valley of Mexico, land of the mexica Aztec. As Spain named it. . What is Mexico today is comprised of many Indian tribes, not only Aztec. Having been enemy tribes before Spain ever set foot in the territories which went by different names depending on the area. Furthermore the Comanche, Navajo, Apache, Ute, Yaqui, Shasta, Mohave and hundreds of different tribes were indigeniuos to the north territories. They were enemy tribes and did not accept Mexico as their sovereign in 1824 or anytime after or before. . The Comanche wiped out Chihuahua and U.S. Indians do not accept Mexican Indians or SW lands as Mexico, today or centuries ago.
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@BrandonPerez-ob7hs You are totally forgetting that Spain made many explorations during different decades encompassing at least 50 years - Cuba, Caribbeans, Florida, Mississippi areas, Vera Cruz, Mexico City,. Later the Sea of Cortez, then towards Zacatecas. Conquering the many different indians. And opening the way to the north, las tierras nuevas, new lands, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas. Pacific coast California to Canada. All different territories getting added to New Spain as they were claimed by Spain, threatened by France, Russia, Great Brittan. The territories as Spain found them were disconnected and very far, different Indians, geographies, and were not under one nation. Mexico just claimed the distant California, New Mexico and Texas after the war with Spain. Had Mexico not gained independence from Spain, Mexico would not have claimed the territories. Had Spain sold the northern territories as it did Florida, California, New Mexico and Texas would never have been claimed by Mexico..As it was Spain no longer had the finances to support the northern wilderness territories and Spain was ready to give land grants in Texas to Americans through M Austin. In fact, Americans had began settling and trading as early as 1821 in California and New Mexico. Before Mexicans, who did not migrate north to establish border towns after 1880.
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@BrandonPerez-ob7hs Mexican officials were unwelcome in California and New Mexico, Texas considered estranjeros. The other northern territories claimed by Spain were never colonized by Spain. Revolts were ignited with the new comer. Mexico was presented with patriotic issues. The original SW Colonial settlers sided with Americans pursuing independence from Mexico, attained under the Treaty. . New Mexican Spanish Colonists refused to ally with the Mexican military to fight the Comanche. The far north territories Colonists were not a part of Mexican independence or wars with Spain, had their own geography, politics, history and culture. And the SW Indians really had trespassing issues with Mexico, these lands were indigeniuos to the Apache, Navajo, Ute, Yaqui Comanche plus hundreds more northern tribes. It's just that one day, after 1824, Mexican officials came to the far isolated north to remove Spains flag and replace with Mexicos flag, no wonder they were estranjeros, strangers in foreign land. It was short lived though. Mexico was gone with the blink of an eye as history documents. 21st C Mexican Revision history is just that. Spains writing of the era are well documented. So is SW history. You are just going around in circles trying to give Mexico great prominence in what is today the United States. Didn't happen according to history. Mexico was just a 25 year miniscule part in SW history in which it did nothing for and allowed self goverenment and unconquered Indians who had the real control over the territory. Why do you think Spain was unable to colonize the far north uninhabitable wilderness, it was the Comanche, Navajo, Apache, Ute feared by Spain, and later Americans and Mexicans. Dream on and have a great day. 😁
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@BrandonPerez-ob7hs It's common knowledge that Mexico gained independence from Spain. It's not common knowledge that regarding the annexed SW, the territories were claimed by Mexico for only 25 years, and were not historically Mexican lands. As far as speculation that the territories would still be in Mexico if not for the war, that's neither here or there. The SW population was not patriotic, wanting independence from Mexico just as Central America. They were too far away from Mexicos core, Mexico City. And the SW colonist population did not relate to Mexico having a different geography, history, politics, culture, including the indigeniuos population. Many are not aware that during SW Spanish Colonial era, travel was rare maybe once a year basically for official business, so there was no contact with the outside world. Spanish rules were very strict, permission required, everything documented. There was no mestizo culture as the non raiding Indians lived separate from the Spanish and did not merge cultures as in Latin America. What if's is not history. Neither is wishful thinking...
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If not for those great constitutional experts, journalists, press, historians, political commentators, attorneys, and Republican media on FOX; Americans wouldn't be as well informed politically. It's obvious those who listen only to faux media CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS are seriously misinformed, lied to day after day. FOX out rates these other media. And Democrat politicians hate FOX for exposing the lies and cover-ups.
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Democrat party is the joke. All those shameless shenanigans. They all were in on Bidens cognitive failure which was no overnight condition, an open secret trying to pass him off as normal plus another run for president. Until Biden let the cat out of the bag in a public embarrassment to the Party. And still no Constitutional 25th Amendment, he's barely functioning. Some crooked back room deal they say. Americans will just have to take the abuse of Democrat power, as Americans don't know who is running the nation. And Pelosi was ready to dump Trump with the 25th, he's still going stronger cognitively than Biden and Pelosi....Democrats the enemy of America which becomes obvious by the day. The only to believe these powers that be liars gotta be delusional, and there's too many out there lacking common sense supporting true blue anti American politicians. If Pelosi put the Cookie Monster as the candidate, got on TV and sugar coated him, they'd fall for it. She can pull the wool and sucker in those Democrat voters because she's one of those Blues, fossilized in the DC swamp, making sure she manipulates her ducklings and proud of it. Its the God above, she can't do anything about, when her turn comes, some Catholic Archbishop will praise her pride in some prestigious Cathedral, but heli is waiting to greet her Godless ways...
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@Tita-n1z The only Mexicans were the mexica Aztec in Tenochtitlan renamed Mexico City by Spain after the mexica Indians. Surrounded by tribes who were not "mexica." Mexica Aztec lands were approx 350 Sq miles, the extent of Montezumas empire. The Spanish upon explorations knew the different tribes and back in the 1500s it was only the mexica referred to by the Spaniard as "mexica" derived from an indigenous tongue, and "nos" derived from the Spanish tongue, in reference to those "mexica-nos" from the valley of Mexica/Mexico, in Mexico "City's" district. All lands claimed by Mexican independence 300 years later 1824 became the Republic of Mexico, under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, its peoples were mandated Mexican citizenship. Those peoples from the SW homeland, descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers, became USA citizens after 1848 under the Treaty of G Hidalgo. As far as SW Indians they inherently never identified as Mexican. The Apache were perplexed at the USA paying millions to Mexico for lands that they innately knew were not Mexico. Today's USA tribes in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma never knew themselves as Mexican or mestizo, they were still unconquered far northern tribes during the 1824-1848 SW Mexican Period and Mexico never controlled them. The tribes in Mexico are Mexican as they are today citizens of today's Mexico. It's just a matter if following history. The young independent Mexico claimed the SW for only 25 years... SW ancestral citizens, be they natives or Spanish America never cried over Mexico's loss to the USA. Mexico arrived in today's SW after1824, generally Mexican officials not necessarily welcome. Gone by 1848 and any few years of Mexican patriotism waned after that Period. Mexicans began migration to the northern border areas approx 1880 with USA westward movement and their ancestors were not ancestrally from anywhere USA. 25 years is making a mountain of a molehill. The Republic of Mexico didn't support the unincorporated SW provinces, yet collected high taxes. Mexico quasi governed the population which basically was automous many seeking independence from Mexico. The USA subjugated the Indians placed in reservations, approx 1880 becoming USA citizens. It's all a matter of historical events on indigenous lands of the many tribes in today's USA and Mexico and even Canada which became nations on disputed lands involving Great Britain, Spain, Russia, France; and later the USA, Canada, Mexico after they become independent nations. The history is European explorations, land claims, land disputes, land transfers, battles, wars, conquests, treaties, purchases, independence, border changes... Who is Mexico anyway, Russia had claims on California and France had claims on Texas, Spain on all the SW, 100's of years before there was a Mexico who was a Johnnie come very late in American history...
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@Tita-n1z Read history books, and generations before myself in New Mexico, there were folks who were born under the flag of Spain, lived under the Mexican flag and died under the USA flag. After Spains governance, they were notified they were Mexican by replacing Spains flag with Mexicos. 25 years later they were notified they were US citizens, a new USA flag..... Same in California; and in Texas they had already been under Republic of Texas. Other than documented historical records, there are actual Catholic Church genealogical records documenting New Spains folks as born, died, married in Spain or New Spain, not Mexico. They were Español, mestizo or indio, not Mexican recorded by priests. Unless you can debunk you are just making lame excuses. There is a plethora or historically evidence without living at that time... And there is actual living history with the SW tribes who do not know themselves Mexican or mestizo, a living testimont to their innate lands, which was not Mexico. There are SW Spanish Americans who don't know themselves Mexican American. 25 years does not make a Mexican which is not a race...
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Actually what is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico under the Treaty of GH.
Upon its becoming a nation 1824, Mexico had deep seated internal problems and a deeply ingrained mixed culture along with the ingrained religion of the land , catholicism, Spanish language and racist issues from within its own peoples. The USA was Protestant. Mexico hated Anglo Americans, the gringo. Many still do. Had the USA taken all of Mexico it would have had a mess to reckon with including revolutions. The USA conquered Mexico, got the lands it wanted. And New Spains history which were many separate territories, from California to Florida, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Caribbeans, Phillipines, plus. As it turned out, USA annexed California and SW were not ancestrally Mexico. Only claimed by the Mexican government for 25 years.
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Alot more to it than sparsely populated. Mexicos first constitution 1815, California, NewMexico, Texas are not Mexico. New Spain was many Territories far and wide even Cuba, Central America, Caribbeans, Phillipines, Pacific to Canada. Mexico is misinterpreted by historians as it became "Mexico" in 1824 under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution and flag. These territories from the distant north did not fight or were involved with Hidalgo for independence, rather were informed that they were mandated Mexican citizenship after Mexico took control after independence. Even then these territories were not part of central Mexico, its soul. The only Mexicans to transplant north were government officials. During the Mexican War there were barely Mexicans in California and Texas to battle, Mexico needed to bring Mexicans north to battle, New Mexico was won without a single bullet shot. Furthermore Mexico did not support the north militarily or financially, they were self governed, taxed heavily. In fact Nuevomexicanos refused to ally with the Mexican army to battle the Comanche. Many sided with Americans and after the War became USA citizens, if there was any patriotism, it waned after the Mexican government departed after the American US took control. Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos remained in the homeland, instinctively knew they were not Mexican and not historically Mexico. The northern tribes never acknowledged Mexico , in fact the Comanche and Apache battled fiercely with Mexico. And no one cried over Mexico, over and done with after 25 years. These don't celebrate Mexican Independence Day or even know the date... Sooner or later they would have gained independence from Mexico, just like Yucatan and Central America. Unincorporated, by all means....
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@Nigiteon Perhaps you are unaware that Mexico started the war in spite of being an unstable country, was a young nation 1824 with nationistic problems in the isolated distant northern territories, the same territories that were lost to the U.S. . The United States a much stronger nation conquered all of Mexico, occupied Mexico City and was good enough to give back to what is Mexico today, the core and heartland. In turn the United States paid for 700,000 sq miles of basically unpopulated frontier wilderness which Mexico was unable to control. Furthermore these lands were not historically Mexico, Mexico claimed only since 1824 by a stroke of luck, so the lands were not inherently Mexican or the homeland. But they were the homeland to SW Indians who considered Mexico a trespasser on their lands. . They were worthless lands in 1848 when negotiations were made with the United States, Mexico did not develop, no infrastructure, no conquering the native Indians tribes. The small Spanish Colonial population living in these isolated territories were not patriotic, many seeking independence and siding with Americans. The United States developed these lands and made them what they are today, and now some Mexican factions want to claim as stolen lands, yet they had been foreign lands to them in 1848. These only look north, never south as Guatemala had once been Mexico. Go figure.
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@lotsoffish If you do not see the destabilization in the USA something is wrong. Yes, there are many folks in the USA who live very comfortably, nice neighborhoods, nice incomes, nice bank accounts, cushy jobs, vacations, inheritances; and don't care about high crime areas, people living on the streets, migrants invading their neighborhoods or schools, crime, street drugs, poverty, inflation because they aren't affected. All of which have grown significantly under the Biden administration open borders. Add to that new issues as never before. Cartels and smugglers management of US border, human trafficking, fentenol from China unknown and now causing thousands of deaths, uncontrolled crime, millions invadering our borders which our government is unable to handle, creating chaos under a totally incompetent president who is a facist along with political election interference, growing concerns on voter integrity, an unconstitutional Judicial system -- all just too similar to Socialist banana republic tactics, while our constitutional republic is shedding away. Either you're in denial or you just don't care, until one day your rights are gone. And the USA will be no middle class, only rich or poor or totally controlled by the Democrat's. Enjoy your privileged world, because it won't be there for your kids or grandchildren.
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You're not recovering your lands. It's USA corrupt politicians open borders. Not only to Mexicans, but to people all over the world...
The lands originally were claimed by Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Piaut, Kiowa, Caddo, Chumash, Shasta, Shoshone, Ute, Pueblo, Mohave plus many more northern tribes who spoke their own indigenous tongues. Cannot recover what was never yours...... The Spanish names came from Spain. These USA lands were part of New Spain. Which had nothing to do with Mexico except for 25 years.
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@robertlowther6979 Because historically Mexico became a nation not until 1824. Under this new nations newly created Constitution of los Estados Unidos Mexicanos the citizens now became Mexican regardless of DNA. Under New Spains caste system there was no Mexican or Mexico, the population were Peninsulares/Espanoles, Criollos (American born Spaniards), Mestizo, Indian, mulatto. The new era after 1824 was Mexican, the new Republic, Mexico named after Mexico City. Mexico City was named by Spain after 1524 for the mexica Aztec tribe, as Tenochititlan/Mexico City was located in Aztec territory or valley of mexica. Not all of those tribes in New Spains territories which are in today's Mexico were mexica Indians, there were many tribes, as well as many territories, under Spains empire. Mexicans are people from the Republic of Mexico inclusive of many ethnicity's. Thus the Aztec territory was not stolen by Mexicans. Historically correct is that Aztec territory was conquered by European Spain with the help of tribes enemy to the Aztec . Conquest was a standard accepted consequence of war for centuries in human history and we all are descendants of both victims and victors at some point in history. History through out the world is captivity, slavery, rape, occupancy, abuse of all kinds. That was the 16th century.
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Hmmm, looks like you are blaming Trump for Bidens failures. A crumbling economy, energy dependent on Venezuela, closing our pipelines and leaving hundreds in this industry jobless, wars around the globe, open borders with Mexican cartels and smugglers running the USA border, millions of illegal migrants who are unsustainable and many are criminals, gang members, terrorists. Human trafficking, uncontrolled crime, transsexuals, government overspending, uncontrolled infatuation. And world-leaders have no respect for Biden. Unlike Trump who is a true patriot with integrity and stands up for America with strength, intelligence, negotiated with Korea, China, Mexico in America's interest, has a backbone and respected in the world.
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Possible so, but these lands were on the unpopulated outer edge wilderness of lands that Mexico claimed 25 years earlier after independence from Spain after 300 years. They were too far from central Mexico, self governed and poorly supported or financed, heavily taxed and unincorporated. Mexico was not in control. California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas were not even Mexico in Mexicos first 1815 constitution. Mexicans lost nothing, Chihuahua and Sonora were undisturbed and Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos who had been mandated Mexican citizenship after independence, stayed in the homeland to become American, while the border was out in the middle of nowhere wilderness desert. As far as the Indians inherent to these lands 95% were unconquered, uncontrolled never identified as Mexican or American. These territories are not historically Mexico. So there's much more to the story
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The USA doesn't want anti American cancel culture WOKE cult govering our constitutional republic. Go Trump, Go Republicans for America 2024. TRUMP hiding, Harris hid for months before her first CNN interview and had to take Walz along. And she's hiding from Rogan, she can't handle 3 hrs like Trump. She's anti American, she hates our history. Indigenous USA are citizens and have proudly fought in world wars , Navaho Code Talkers, and are proud Americans, for starters. She calls USA Black her brothers, she shares no brotherhood, she's an immigrant and doesn't connect historically. She has no love of country as Indigenous and Black USA Americans. USA native tribes are federally protected under Federal Indian Law, get reparations, have been returned lands and tribes get Federal funding annually into the millions. Have been a protected class since the 1800s.
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Actually the mexican government is quite aware that Mexico lost the Mexican War, what is today Mexico is lands returned to Mexico under the Treaty of Hidalgo and a nother Treaty, Gadsden Purchase, totaling 25 million dollars tran sactions Mexico received 1848-1853. Mexico stole the lands from Spain as Spain did not surrender or accept Mexico conquest and Spains King did not ever sign the Treaty of Cordova. California, New Mexico/Arizona were not Mexico under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution and they never joined revolutions against Spain or did they join Mexico City in political issues or battles against Spain. So stop crying, there was no Mexico until 1824, and just barely. The SW was quasi claimed by Mexico under its 1824 constitution. A troubled republic with no finances, no power, ragged soldiers, barely a government with Mexico itself ripping up the constitution. If not for the USA where would Mexicans run for refuge, to Russia LOL....
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Right, it was Mexico's loss of land by conquest, US westward movement, United States placing unconquered warrior tribes in reservations that brought Mexican migration approx 1880s to border areas which was thousands of miles of wilderness with raiding Indians for centuries. They set up border towns in these areas along with other strangers to the land, Anglo Americans. Coming further north into the United States with trains and the 1910 Mexican Revolution. Since then Mexicans only look north to the USA for its prosperity. No mention ever of loss to their south who are culturally and historically connected.
Spain never acknowledged Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova so Spain never transferred any lands to Mexico under any treaty. Mexico paid zero for the lands. Mexico declared lands under its 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution which listed the states and provinces it claimed. Interestingly, 1814 Mexico's first attempt to independence, under its Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas were not Mexico. These New Spain far north isolated territories never joined Hidalgo or Mexico City, today's central Mexico in the political dynamics or battles against Spain for independence. Mexico was unable to claim Cuba and its waters against Spain. Historically it was Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain, after the mexica Aztec in the valley of Mexico, which was the extent of anywhere Mexico. All of today's Mexico was indigenous lands with hundreds indigenous names and tribes who were not mexica or from Mexico City. The many territories, which were far and wide, were referred to as New Spain, not Mexico after European colonization.
The SW population were mandated Mexican citizenship along with any Anglo American living in those provinces during the twenty five years SW Mexican Period. Indians remained unconquered and bitter enemies to Mexico. During this Period, it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north, not necessarily welcome and Mexican patriotism was an issue. This population was granted USA citizenship under the Treaty of GH and remained in the centuries homeland. Any patriotism waned and nothing lost over Mexico...
Mexico was part of 25 million dollars transactions under the Treaties of GH and Gadsden Purchase. Mexico's government has no issue with loss of lands it claimed for 25 years. Mexico offered nothing but high taxes to its unincorporated northern provinces. Gladly took the 25 million it desperately needed and sends us their neglected poor. So Mexico's government made out royally on real-estate it took from Spain 25 years earlier. It is Mexican factions like radical left wing immigrant Mexican organizations such as Chicano Study professors, League of United Latin Americans Citizens, Mexican support groups who indoctinate and push stolen lands. And cancel culture anti American propagandists are in the mix. Mexican education too, presents a slanted version, but its citizens are culturally different historically from SW Spanish colonists. Obviously nothing stolen, the lands belonged to Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Piaut, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Pueblo Ute and hundreds of northern tribes which Mexico had no claim to these lands until 1824. Lost by conquest to the USA... There had been SW citizens up to at least half a century ago who lived and died under three flags--Spain, and notified of their new citizenship under the Mexican and United States flags...
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Does anyone actually believe this administration run by Democrats.The Border Czar VP was asked about an insecure border and she brings up a broken immigration system. If the immigration system is broken, it's the best reason to close the border. Why is the immigration system broken, it's because of illegal migrants flooding into our borders uncontrolled, imigrants have been here illegally for years and not returned and Biden/Harris are deliberately adding fuel to the fire. The sad thing is there are die hard Democrats out there who believe her lies that the border is secure as they are unaware of Bidens executive order to open the border, they have no idea Biden broke Trumps negotiations with Mexico to keep migrants in Mexico, Democrats who are totally unaware of US border patrol fed up with Bidens corrupt cartel control of the border leading to uncontrolled drugs and horrific human trafficking, child exploitation and seriously overflowing border areas with people from all over the world expecting these states citizens to support these migrants. It's mind stunning how Mexico, Cuba, Canada, Latin America, Russia, China, Middle East etc know our borders are open, yet die hard Democrats believe Biden and Harris when they spew their lies before those who can't figure it out and have totally forgotten Trumps Wall to help protect our Borders and how Biden bought it down. And Trump is the bad guy. Take a good hard look at Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris and Pelosi who controls your states Democratic legislator's , senator's and governor's.
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@RodrigoBC86 Mexico declared independence 1821, without Spains acknowledgement. You fail to come up with a document of lands transfer from Spain to Mexico because there was no such treaty. The only 1821 Treay was the Treaty of Cordova, rejected by Spains king on Mexican independence. The 1836 Treaty of Santa Maria de Calatrava was a peace Treaty between Mexico and Spain. The Treaty of Limits was out of Spains scope. It was a Treaty between the USA and Mexico recognizing Spains/USA borders under the Adams Onis Treaty, ratified by Spain/uSA Feb 1821, prior to Mexico claiming independence in September of 1821. The Adams Onis Treaty had nothing to do with California. The territories involved were Florida, Texas, Oregon.
Spain and Mexico were different eras by 300 years, different ruling powers, different governmental structures; and Spain did not control Mexico after independence 1821. In fact Mexico expelled Spaniards just after 1821. Spain had no hands in Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution 1824, under which Mexico claimed its states and provinces, unauthorized by Spain... Mexico and Spain were still battling until about 1831. All you're doing is scrambling the treaties out of context, and conflating Mexico with Spain, hoping it will sneakily pass LOL... In fact the Treaty of Limits backfired because Texas became an independent Republic, then annexed by the USA, sparking the Mexican War on disputed land after 25 years of Mexican independence.
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@RodrigoBC86 What is Mexico today is land returned by the USA under the Treaty of GH. Mexico sold out on Gadsden Purchase, Yucatan practically begged the USA for annexation. After USA conquest, the USA was in power to take all of Mexico, which it didn't. And the USA has stood by the Treaty of GH. And been a great help to Mexico's impoverished. Not bad for the least trustworthy nation to ever exist. In fact, USA government is for the people, by the people. The best government and nation in the world, as millions pour into our borders.
As far as California and SW, those territories were very remote and unincorporated to Mexicos main. In close proximity to the United States and open for takeover by Great Britain, Russia, USA. Some Mexican factions make a mountain of a molehill over the SW quasi governed by Mexico for barely 25 years, 10 Texas. Lands which are not ancestrally Mexico.
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Needs to go on CNN, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, radio. Word needs to get out there to the young, old and in-between... Of course, silly me, unless it's FOX, the Democrat media activists will cover up, deceive, lie, fool whoever is dumb enough to believe their lies filled radical Socialist propaganda .
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Nations collapse typically after 200 years. Mexico collapsed after 25 years. Problem for those Mexicans who claim taking their lands back, under USA organized crime which is experiencing border invasion by the corruption of Socialist Democrat's, its not only Mexicans, also Central Americans, South Americans, Cubans, Chinese among other Asian, Russian, Middle Easterns, Europeans, African, millions upon millions from all over the world crossing illegally. It will never be Mexicos. It really never was.
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@Smoug not simplifying at all, there is plenty involved. North America was european land discoveries and exploration of thousands of miles of vast lands that they identified as territories. The first to discover land was the first to claim it as their territory by Spain, France, or Great Britian. Even Russia wanted a shot at the new lands and Europeans were at constant watch on their claims. Spains exploration took about 50 years from Vera Cruz to tierras nuevas in the far north pacific California, New Mexico, Texas, all named by Spain. Other New Spain territories were claimed from the Atlantic Florida to Louisiana. so the indigenous Indian tribes fell under whichever european conquered them.
Spain knew no Mexico except for the territory Mexico City sat in, Spain naming the city after 1524 being fully aware it was in the territory of the valley of the Aztec mexica tribes. All separate territories were part of New Spain and identified by names Spain gave them if claimed by Spain . There were many separate territories but no Mexico is charted in New Spain maps. Mexican was unknown, verified by Spains caste system, Peninsulares or Espanoles, Criollos, mestizo, Indian or mulatto. Catholic church records spell out birth and death which New Spain location were not Mexico, rather town locations in specific territories. New Spain territories from California to Florida, Pacific coast, today's Mexico, Cuba, Caribbeans, Central America, Philippines, plus other island's were European Spanish controlled by Spains crown represented by Spains viceroy in Mexico City. It was Spains exploration, conquistadors/conquest, language, finances, religion, King, schools, soldiers, roads, government officials, administration until Mexican independence after 300 years, came very late into the picture creating it's own country of Mexico-Estados Unidos Mexicanos, now there were Mexican citizens, a Mexican goverenment, Constitution; a mestizo republic. Independence brought nationistic and patriotic issues for the young Mexico republic especially in the territories that were very far north and far south of Mexico City. The newly created Mexican officials faced opposition in California and New Mexico, considered foreigners in these far northern territories. Many from these territories sided with Americans settlers and traders seeking independence from Mexico, loyalties were still to Spain. Mexican officials were considered estranjeros. Not a wonder, Johnny come late Mexico to the SW was very far, hundreds if not a thousand miles away, thousands of unconquered northern Indians who controlled the territories had no need for the new Republic on their lands. Spanish colonists in New Mexico refused to join the Mexican army in battles against the Comanche. These same colonists were protected under the Treaty of G Hidalgo as they gained independence from Mexico under the Treaty negotiations to stay in their lands and become US citizens as well as the SW indians, with no lost love for Mexico or anything patriotic towards the southern nation. The Spanish colonists and Indians kept their ancestral lands which are today in the United States. Lands that changed flags and borders within approx 300 years; Spain, France, Mexico and the United States.
Mexicans in the SW was unknown to Spain, or the Spanish SW population, or the indigenous northern Indians until 1824. Mexico was in the SW, quasily had its foot in the door for at most 25 years, never in real control and never to conquer the Indians. Mexican officials gone 1848 and forgotten except for Mexicans who migrated to the far north decades after the War 1880 to border areas in the southern parts of the United States establishing border settlements. Mexicans entered the United States after the US defeated the SW Indians, travel was then considerably safe and conditions livable in an inhospitable frontier close to nowhere.
Had Great Britian been the first to discover what is today Mexico, who knows, There would not be a you... There would not have been a Mexico City which is what the Country of Mexico was named after even though there are many Indian tribes. It's all historical events that make today's America. 300 years is much conflict and anything but simple. If Spain, Mexico, Native American Indian and mestizo are conflated then history is misunderstood and confusing.
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@davidgonzalez2115 The border areas were unpopulated, but further north were a sparse early Spanish colonies since 1598 in northern NM, later on Spain brought Canary Islanders to colonize Texas, and then Spain colonized California. These were Spanish colonists who had lands including a small population SW Indians who had Spanish land grants. These lands were protected under the Treaty of G Hidalgo negotiations, they all kept their lands as US citizens after the Mexican War under Territorial status or statehood. Spain had beem unable to further colonize these territories because of isolation, a harsh and difficult living environment, distance from other New Spain territories, and uncontrollable unconquered Indians who attacked and raided the colonies and enemy tribes in an enormous territory difficult for Spain to finance the outer edges of New Spain. Spain had been unable to make routes or connect NM to New Orleans because of the Comanche. Basically Spain sent Spanish colonists to the far north to ward off French and Russian intrusion and to establish missions bringing Catholicism to the Indians in the furthest northern frontier . Travel was annually, by permission, generally for government administrators or priests or trade to Mexico City the viceroy's seat in New Spain, he overseeing for the Crown all of New Spains territories--todays Mexico, parts of the United States CA to TX. Mississippi area to Florida, Central America, Cuba, Caribbeans, Pacific coast, Philippines, plus.
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@Esq25 Haha. I understand the video. And I understand history. The entire Mexico, formerly part of New Spain, was conquered 1846 by the US, from north to south, from east to west. Negotiations were made between the United States and the young Republic of Mexico under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which makes no mention of stealing, rather a 15 million dollar purchase for annexed land, with it's inhabitants to become US citizens. . Read it, you may learn something. And a later , the Gadson Purchase lands sold by Mexico to the US for another 10 million dollars. And keep in mind that CA, NM/AZ, TX were not historically Mexico. They were part of separate New Spain territories for 275 years and part of Mexico for only 25 years after independence 1824 which the new country of Mexico claimed. Different era, different goverenment, different flag. Had Mexico not gained independence, Mexico could never have claimed the SW. Interestingly the Spanish colonial populations in these states and the unconquered SW Indians had no need for Mexico. They were too far out in the thousands of sq miles of wilderness, a different geography, history, culture, politics, and people. Mexican officials were not welcome in the far north as they first arrived after 1824 to quasi govern the foreign territories. . They were estranjeros, with revolt outbreaks. And plenty of battles with the angered Indians who never acknowledged Mexico as these lands belonged to Navajo, Apache, Comanche plus a host of northern tribes in AZ and CA. . Apparently you're ignorant of SW history for the moron I'm supposed to be in your tiny little mind who has no knowledge except what this video has to offer. . I don't need this twisted video to educate me, I've done it myself over twenty years of learned history. A video presented by some woke leftist liberal clown who got his info in a two day web search and hates the United States, probably hates himself because he's white, will not fool or influence me. Good day.
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@GiligamerMC I never said Mexico should have lost more land but it could have. The United States who conquered Mexico gave Mexico's core back under the Treaty. The annexed lands under the Treaty were not historically Mexico's. And Mexican populations are post 1890 immigrants, most migrated north during the 1900s Mexican Revolution, in fact Anglo Americans settled CA before Mexicans, 1821, in which there were already Spanish colonists of the SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598 - 1821. Followed by the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. TX was shorter because of Texas independence, self ruling. The Spanish colonial population who were already living in the SW, some since 1598 and had been long time inhabitants during the signing of the Treaty of GH 1848 and were granted US citizenship as they were not required to relocate from the northern homeland, where they were land holders, to far off Mexico, of which was foreign territory to them . A handful of Mexicans quasi settled during the Mexican Period but this was an anamolmy. SW was basically an uninhabitable wilderness, sparsely populated, very distant, isolated frontier later developed by Americans.Same story for NM/AZ and TX. They were all separate New Spain territories, same as Florida, Cuba, Pacific coast, Mississippi areas, Louisiana, Philippines, Caribbeans. Along with all territories that are today Mexico, claimed by Spain. . Different explorations spanning over 50 years.
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@i999-g6c By the time Mexicans came north in 1824, Spain in the 1550s had named California and New Mexico, which were New Spain territories. The Caddo Louisiana tribes named Texas which became a New Spain territory. Spain named the Spanish Colonial villas such as la villa de la santa fe de San Francisco de Assi. Colorado and Arizona were part of New Mexico; Utah and Nevada were part of California, all Spains claims. Only the far northern territories of today's CA, NM, TX were colonized by Spain during the SW Spanish Colonial Period.1598-1821.
New Spains borders were strictly controlled.
1824-1846. 25 year Mexican Period. Mexico opened the borders. Mexico did not control today's Nevada, Utah, Colorado. American settlers/settlements were founded during these years in those unpopulated lands . Mexico's government did not reach that far north. The lands were full of unconquered dangerous Indians, Anglo Americans settlers in today's CA, TX were mandated Mexican citizens like everyone else in the young independent Mexico. Mexican government officials reached California, New Mexico, Texas. The government officials were basically the only Mexicans to transplant north, among Californios, Nuevomexicanos andTejanos. Unwelcome and met resistance by locals. MX government was gone after US Mexican War conquest. Mexico was a Johnnie come late in history. Mexico in today's SW is making a mountain of a molehill. 25 years was nothing, Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos remained in the far north homeland and didn't cry over Mexico after USA conquest.
United States Territorial Period 1848, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado became US Territories. The USA Anglos named these territories off what Spain had named the Rio Colorado. Same with Nevada, Arizona. Utah was named after Ute tribes. It was also during the US Territorial Period and US statehood that Chihuahuans and those south of the border began migration north, approx 1880 with US westward movement to lands that for centuries had been an isolated, uninhabitable wilderness desert with raiding dangerous unconquered Indians. Mexicans migrated after the US Army subjugated the Navaho, Comanche, Kiowa etc... The peoples from south of todays US border ancestors were from today's Mexico not the US SW. There is no point in conflating Spain with Mexico, different era's, and governments. Mexico claimed its lands under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution 1824, piggybacking off Spains lands left over after Florida and Louisiana were transferred to USA and France. Spain did not Treaty any lands to independent Mexico. Spains king did not acknowledge Mexican independence and refused to sign any treaties. The US SW is not ancestrally Mexico. It was Mexico that stole from Spain, the USA has a Treaty from Mexico. The lands belong to Spain, not Mexico if anything is to be returned...
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The politicized Indian is unreasonable and in total denial and unqualified to help her people better their lives. She just wants more welfare which disables Indians to earn dignity by working hard as the Mormon and Amish, who fall into the trap of socialist reservation and Indian lands governance. But she's a socialist activist, far from capitalist reason and filled with typical activist anger, politician who is most likely making deals with socialist Democrats to feed one another's government welfare pockets, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours corruption. By her looks, she's neither starving or oppressed, neither are those tribal lawyers, BIA and tribal administrators or those lucky enough, independent of socialist welfare. On the spot, Homer you are the interviewee, not the interviewer--Stossel is...
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The north back, it was Spains land, not Mexicos. Your ancestors weren't even in California, New Mexico or Texas during the Mexican War. The lands weren't Mexicos or your ancestors anymore than Guatemala, Colombia, or Pan America. In fact they were lands to Apache and Comanche feared by Mexicans. Plus many more tribes, Navajo, Shasta, Mohave, Kiowa, piate. Dream on or better yet read a history book...
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Mexico knew it was had; conquest, occupation, US flag over Mexico City. A Treaty was in order. Half of Mexico returned--it's heart and core, 15 million dollars , a negotiated border into the far north wilderness desert which served Mexico no good. Forced to sign a treaty-rubbish.... victor always gets the spoils, that's how the world works, for centuries, those are inborn rules of war. Mexico is not an exception..
The USA was on disputed territory over on the Rio Grande. So the US had as much right as Mexico. Mexico started the war....historically speaking. There had always been land disputes in America, borders changed, treaties, purchases. The Treaty of GH was nothing new in America. Mexico later sold more territory-Gadson Purchase , 10 million more dollars for Mexico. More land for the US. Mexico's government was not crying over real estate lands, which were not even historically Mexico. 25 years earlier, these lands were Spains...
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The crusty kid should have been informed enough to understand that New Spain was never Mexico or Mexican before European arrival or under Spain.
Texas, New Mexico or California territories never participated in Mexican independence with other New Spain territories in what's today central Mexico. It was Mexico City and surrounding territories who battled Spain gaining independence to become Mexico. Mexico's first attempt at independence, under the 1815 constitution, neither Texas, New Mexico or California are documented as Mexico. New Spain was always separate territories, California, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana to Florida territories, many territories within what is today Mexico, Cuba, Central America, Caribbeans, Philippines , plus. The Rio Grande tributaries never sustained today's Mexico, its waters barely reached Chihuahua. 25 years prior to the Mexican War the lands belonged to Spain for 250 years. Any claim Mexico had was very brief and not historically Mexico. The California and SW populations were mandated Mexican citizenship becoming American citizens in 1848. It's all well documented by Spain, the United States and Mexico. There are even true stories not long ago by Spanish colonists from the SW homeland who actually lived under three flags. Spains flag, then a foreign soldier from far away comes with a new flag to inform they are Mexican citizens , a couple of decades later another soldier comes along announcing American citizenship under a new flag. Bet you don't celebrate Mexican Independence.....
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@israelcampos6581 if you want to talk invasion, these lands have ALWAYS been invaded, be it Indians against Indians, Europeans or mestizo. . Out of centuries of history, thousands of years, Mexico claimed Texas only 200 years ago and was barely hanging on as a nation during the Mexican War. Mexico was unable to finance the War and it's soldiers were starving, even unpatriotic..... As I stated, Mexico is a Jonny come late who could not even control the land, in fact, Texas was unpopulated when Mexico stole the land from Spain. Some make a mountain of a mole hill, Texas is not historically Mexico, 25 years is nothing. Additionally, the Comanche was never Mexican and Mexico never conquered the Comanche. Mexico may have claimed the land on paper by conquest from Spain, as well the United States, turned this around and now owes the land on paper by United States conquest over Mexico. That's the way the of the nations since history began. Comanche are rooted in Texas, Mexicans aren't. "Texas" is derived from the Caddo Louisiana tribes, centuries before a Mexican ever showed their faces in Texas.
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Biden has made a mockery out of America and Pelosi allowed it along with the Democrat media, Hollywood elite donors and Pelosi, Schumer, Schmitt, Jeffries and the rest of the Democrat Political Swamp by covering-up, lying about Biden , part of the lie campaign and open secret on Bidens years obvious dementia. They all knew about his mental acuity. Today, Americans don't know who is running American or who has run American for four years. But Democrats are masters of deception, programming uninformed voters everyday in believing all kinds of lies, about Biden-and Trump. Odd , we have a president who was pressured by powers that be, to leave the presidential race because of his inability to serve as Commander in Chief due to serious neurological illness- confused, blank, incoherent, cannot string sentences, failed thought processes, frail, not to mention the White House Hur Report on his failed faculties which he displayed at the debate, exposing the Democrat lie. Yet they don't remove him from Office under constitutional law. The Democrat party is a mockery to American and the entire world. In fact if not for the debate, where Biden let the cat out of the bag, Democrats would still be would still be parading the facade and Biden would still be in the race. Absolutely abhorrent. Not democracy, answerable to no one...
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Right. Spanish Colonizers centuries Spanish land grants in northern New Mexico were stolen by Anglo settlers and the United States government. Thousands of acres and no reparations. While, the the same land grants issued by Spain in 1700 to the Pueblo Indians are protected under US Federal Indian laws. Thanks to Spains Land grants the Pueblo Indians lands , these tribes still live where Spain found them over 400 years ago; in the late 1800s their lands were protected from federal US takeover, they were not relocated by the US government to reservations like the Apache, Navajo etc or endured the unbearable Long Walk; while the Spanish American citizens in northern NM, regular Americans, had no protection or special privileges under the law. Lands were stolen to rich land spectators, US forest or US Bureau of Land Management in violation of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, as New Mexico was under Mexico's governance for 25 years before the Mexican War. New Mexico Spanish Colonial settlers 1598 had founded the far north Spanish European outposts in northern New Mexico before Jamestown colonization, protected the lands against French intrusion, allied with the Pueblo tribes to battle raiding Indians, protected the Spanish settlers and Pueblo Indians, Christianized the Pueblo tribes, the first to introduce European horses, farm animals, agriculture, weapons, language, Christianity, culture, human rights in today's United States. Had toiled the harsh northern NM soil for two centuries for love of the land upon US Americanization. And fought in the Civil War. If anyone is owed reparations, it's the two centuries old land grant owners in 1848 whose lands were stolen by the US federal government. Yet nothing on reparations. But in reality, most are grateful for American citizenship through independence from Mexico by United States conquest after 26 years under the brief SW Mexican Period...
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VP Harass just needs to look in the mirror to get to the root of migration from Guatamala. It's open borders promoted by Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Shumer, Cortez, Sanders, radical left Democratic swamp. Guatamala wants free trade for economic development from the United States not aid. Harass is trying to pull the wool with her phony front of a dog and pony show south of the border. Guatamala, El Salvador,, Mexico presidents can see right through her hypocracy. She's all political theater. Migrants are dying at record number the swamp invited over, Harrrass is covering up...
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@beecee9681 Thank FOX and social media for balanced information. FOX has great unbiased journalists, constitutional experts, historian, political analysts. And YouTube ipods also provide valuable information on Trump, Biden, Harris. Disgrace, but White House press secretary is full of rubbish. And so are Democrat media propagandists, suppressing facts. Voters today need to stay on top of politics and politicians agendas. Basically Democrats are radical far left cancel culture anti American woke cult. Hating America, our history, tearing down historical monuments. Going around, over, under our constitutional republic laws with ideologies to fundamentally change America. They want total power. Republicans are conservative Americans, patriotic, stand by Americans founding, forefathers, history, constitutional laws and democracy. And will support American all the way...
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Actually many Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos wanted independence from Mexico. Additionally these territories did not join Hidalgo in his plot for independence or cohort with Mexico City and surrounding territories in New Spains political dynamics or battles against Spain. In fact, Mexico's first Apatzingan 1814 constitution did not list California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas as Mexico. On top of that, these territories were not Mexico prior to 1824, they had been claimed by Mexico only 25 years before the Mexican War, mandated Mexican citizenship, unincorporated provinces and wide open for grabs not only by the United States, but also Great Britain, Russia and France. The far north was not destined for Mexico. Way too distant and disconnected. Historically were not Mexico which was a Johnnie come late to the SW making its way to the far north in the 1800s. North Americans indigenous were never one people, the far north indigenous tribes as Navaho, Comanche, Shasta, Mohave, Ute, Piaut , Kiowa etc never knew themselves as Mexican and still don't. 25 years quasi governed by Mexico , the SW Mexican Period, is making a mountain of a molehill...
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Spain never conquered New Spains northern tribes in California, New Mexico, Texas and the lands associated Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Wyoming, Oklahoma during the Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821. During the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846, Mexico never subjugated these northern tribes who never identified as Mexican or mestizo, neither yesteryear or today as Indians know their lands and never acknowledged Mexico in their inherent lands back in 1824. Mexico claimed the SW and quasi governed for only 25 years, the lands were not ancestrally Mexico. The Comanche and Kiowa left Sonoras Chihuahua and villages, farms, mines in Sinaloa in shreds in the 1800s. So Mexican they were not. New Mexicans/ Nuevomexicanos, descendants of Spanish colonial settlers refused to ally with the Mexican army to battle the Comanche or forewarn Mexico on Comanche raids in Chihuahua during the short lived SW Mexican Period. The US government subjugated the USA SW tribes during the US Territorial Period to become US citizens, late 1800s. These Indians never cried over Mexicos loss to the USA...
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@Civilwar.relics You can interpret as you wish, but historically there was no Mexico until 1824. Mexico attempted independence from Spain in 1814, under the Apatzingan constitution; California, New Mexico which included Arizona , and Texas were not Mexico. Mexicos borders changed from no borders during Spains 300 years era; the 1814 Apatzingan border was not inclusive of today's SW; Mexico's borders during the 25 year's SW Mexican Period 1821-1846; and again the border changed in 1848. " Mexican" was a citizenship born in 1824 under the young Republic of Mexico, Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution (United States of Mexicans.) Mexican is not a race, rather a citizenship. Mexicans were inclusive of Europeans and indigenous. Mexican was also any Anglo American living in Mexico upon Mexico's independence within the lands Mexico claimed under its constitution . Backtracking, Spain never conquered the northern tribes in New Spain (today's SW), during the 300 years Spanish era. Mexico never subjugated the same SW Indians during the 25 years Mexican Period, thus the Indians never were subjects to Spain in New Spain , or Mexico. Indians controlled their lives in opposition to Spains governance and later Mexico. The only Indians to become Mexican "citizens" were the New Mexico Pueblo tribes as they were subjugated by Spain, given land grants by Spain, later Mexico recognized and honored the Spanish land grants, and even later the USA recognized and accepted their land grants issued by Spain in the 17th century as the Pueblo tribes were USA citizens during the US Territorial Period and still hold the centuries old land grants by Spain. The Pueblo to date has never referred to themselves as Mexican or mestizo, a living history testimont. Once the unconquered SW tribes were subjugated by Americans, they became US citizens, but they were never Mexican citizens as they were not subjugated. 25 years does not make a Mexican. And your comments show you are not educated on SW Spanish Colonial, SW Mexican, or SW US Territorial Periods. Additionally, New Spain maps prior to 1821 do not map "Mexico" simply because there was no nation of Mexico prior to Mexican independence. History 101. New Spain was many Territories, including Cuba, Central America, Caribbeans, Phillipines, plus, out side the continent. Same as there was no USA in New England, these were Colonies. These territories and colonies became nations, 1776 USA, and 1824 Mexico.. Your comments to bla, bla, bla are nonsense. They don't relate to historical documentation...
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Why judge 17th century standards with modern day lens. Did Blacks question slavery back in Africa, or was not until they ended up in America it became evil.... Africans slaved, abused and sold their own, selling and shipping them off their native land to other abusers of a different color. Truth is it was violent world of unspoiled wimps. Those people were tough and lived for survival. They didn't sit behind a TV camera, pretencious, full of makeup, pampering themselves. Peoples attitudes evolved. Spain the first to protect Indians human rights back in the 1500s in the America's, Casa's Laws of the Indies of which this panel of morons is totally uneducated on. Still human nature being what it is is extremely slow to change, strick enforcement pushes the moralist efforts, which are Christian values. Democrat's were the slave owners back in 1776, also the evil Klu Klax Clan were Democrat's. Blacks have the right to return to Africa, no one's holding them back... They may have better satisfaction going back to their roots ...
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South of the borderians never were navaho, comanche, ute, kumeyaay, shoshone, cheyenne, apache, shasta, mohave, piute, chumash, kiowa, pueblo, plus many other USA tribes. So no families in the USA.
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If Democrat's wanted to pass the Immigration Bill, then it should have been an Immigration bill. HB HR2. It was a mish mash bill , not entirely linked to Immigration reform. It was overspendature of American tax payer dollars to serve non Americans. The facts are that Biden violated the rule of law, and his Presidental Oath failing to protect our sovereign borders so that illegal migrants could enter the nation to increase Democrat voters from foreign countries so Democrats overpower Republicans and rule the USA, This is unconstitutional, illegal, and Biden can close the border today if he wanted, a sovereign border that was already sealed with a million dollars wall. Biden is not patriotic, and has no love for America. PROOF, Look at his actions, not his words.
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Spanish Colonization began in Spanish northern NM 1598, 1700 San Antonio TX and California 1770. These were the original Spanish settlers in what is today the US SW. These lands were explored by Spain, land and sea 1540 and colonized by Spain in these remote wilderness New Spain, outposts to guard against Russian and French intrusion and far removed from other parts of New Spain for approximately 275 years known as the SW Spanish Colonial Period by SW historians. New Mexicans, Californian's and Texans did not participate with Hidalgos revolt who cried independence and death to the Spaniards (el grito), or join that part of New Spain in Mexico Citys surrounding Territories battles and politics against Spain or towards independence.
Independence 1821 declared the short lived Mexican Empire, which by political battles cut off the Empire, monarch and all. Followed by more political turmoil to become Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824. Under the young Republic of Mexico constitution, Mexico claimed lands left over in New Spain in north America after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. But Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence . Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova, expected to regain its New Spain Territories and battles continued another decade. Never to Treaty any lands over to Mexico.
Mexico was late in history, as was the USA, new nations. And Mexico was late in SW history not until 1824. Mexicans officials headed to remote northern CA, NM/AZ, TX. To notify ancestral Spanish Colonists they were Mexican citizens, remove Spains flag, replaced with the Mexican flag and met with resistance by the sparse Colonists and warrior unconquered Indians. Typically Sonorans or Sinaloans or any others south did not settle in the isolated SW wilderness. And Anglo Americans had settled in California and New Mexico 1821 simultaneously with a few Mexicans officials. This was the historical SW Mexican Period of 24 years, 10 for Texas. Mexicans whether government officials or any other never went anywhere near New Mexico ( only for official business) much less Colorado. There was a Mexican land grant-- huge and the biggest by far, Maxwell Land Grant, far northern NM near Colorado. Colorado, Nevada, Utah were never colonized by Spain as there had been no foreign threats on those territories. New Mexicos Mexican Period governor was a local New Mexican, Manuel Armijo from the Spanish Period. Americans were commercial trading via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri as well as American Mountain Men fur traders. So these were well ahead of Mexicans as settlers in New Mexico. Spanish Northern NMs settled in the San Luis Valley in Colorado about 1860s, about the same time Americans were settling Denver. Mexican migration started approx 1880 to US border areas with USA westward movement. The border areas was a wilderness desert never colonized by Spain for miles out in the middle of nowhere... Mexicans established towns 275 years after the Spanish in northern NM. Mexican towns along the US border having direct ties with Mexico in blood and culture, unlike Spanish New Mexico--Socorro to Taos who had been nowhere near what is Mexico today. Anglo Americans also established settlements in the border areas. More waves of Mexican migration to US during the Mexican Revolution 1910. Moving further north in California, migration also to Denver and Chicago. The Hispanic from the San Luis Valley, Colorado have no cultural or blood ties to the Mexican who migrated to Denver. San Luis has genealogical ties to Spanish central and northern New Mexico. Central and northern NM is Spanish in history and heritage. Southern NM is Mexican in history and culture.
Yes, few Mexicans settled in California during the Mexican Period, but are not ancestrally from anywhere USA, their roots are south of today's border. And they are immigrants. Americans settled Texas under Mexican land grants, because Texas was unpopulated, barely a few Spanish colonists, Mexico needed settlers and turned to Americans. Mexicans weren't interested in a desert wilderness where warriors Indians were ready to attack anyone in sight. It was US westward movement and US subjugation of Indians 1880 bringing Mexican migration to Texas.
It's really unfortunate San Lius Valley lost their Spanish northern NM heritage and conflate Spanish with Mexican. There are plenty Spanish Colonial historians who have researched the history from volumes of Spanish documentation in Santa Fe, Mexico City and Spain. If you don't learn the foundation, Spains New Spain Territories, far and wide. Comparable to England's 13 Colonies, the history gets complicated. New Spain Territories were California coast to Florida coast, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans, Pacific Coast to Canada, plus. Land disputes among Russia, Spain, Great Britain. Border changes, wars, treaties. All News Spain was ruled by Spain in New Spains Mexico City. Early on Europeans got off ships in Vera Cruz or Florida New Spain, headed to one or another of New Spains territories on arrival in the New World...and the rest is a fascinating history of New Spains different geographies, peoples, tribes, politics, cultures, histories. For instance by the time Spain colonized today's SW, Spain separated the Spanish and Indian, each to retain their language, culture, religion, very little blood mixing, never to become a mestizo culture. To date, in central and northern NM, the Pueblo Indians still live in their villages where the Spanish found them. And "Spanish" as well as "Indian" is still commonly mentioned on a daily basis -- a unique culture and heritages in Spanish America. Mexican or mestizo is rarely mentioned, these terms come from Mexico....
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My point is self exclamatory. Invaders.... Spanish colonizers settled New Mexico, Texas and California 1598-1770, these territories the homeland... Anglo Americans settled in New Mexico and California since 1821. And Texas settled by Americanos under land grants since 1830s. When Mexico took control of these areas 1821, it was Mexican officials who left for the far north to let the SW populations know that they were under a new flag and government and were mandated Mexican citizenship. Mexican officials transplanted to these far north territories but not other Mexicans in general. When American Texans fought the Alamo, San Jacinto and during the Mexican War, there were just a handful of Mexican in Texas. When American soldiers invaded New Mexico by the War started by Mexico there was not one bullet shot fired. Barely just a few Spanish settlers and no match against the US. California and Texas also had no Mexicans to fight off the American army, and both Texas and California needed to bring in to these territories Mexicans from Chihuahua or Sonara "soldiers" many not even interested. These states had no Mexicans because the far north was never home to Mexicans. Mexicans began migration north after the Mexican War. Historcally, Mexicans were never a part of California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas. And were invaders as much as anyone else. There's no territory to return. The United States didn't touch Chihuahua or Sonora; and Nuevo Mexicanos, Californios and Tejanos never lost any land through the Mexican War, they were still in the centuries homeland. Additionally, the lands belonged to the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Pueblo, Mohave, Shasta, Piaut, Kiowa, Ute plus many more northern tribes who never acknowledged Mexico as their inherent lands. The border was out in the middle of nowhere barren desert. Mexicans weren't interested in the north till they learned about it during independence or the War. Then escaping Mexico to head for the USA, for a better life. History 1 01. Mexicans territory nothing.
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Oh, yah. The Comanche, Navajo, Ute, Kiowa, Pueblo, Mohave, Piaut, Shasta, Chumash, Caddo, Cherokee, Apache, Pawnee, Souix, Jebiwa, are just for starters among hundreds of American tribes who aren't or never were Mexican. Indians are immigrants from Asia, and elsewhere who in America were never one world, or one nation. Montezumas mexica Aztec reign was limited to Tenochtitlan also known as Mexico City. In fact Cortez conquered Montezuma by allying with mexica Aztec enemy tribes . In 1525 Tenochtitlan or Mexico City was the extent of any thing Mexico. And there was no Mexican or Mexico until 1824. In fact most Mexicans, citizens of today's Mexico are not Aztec or even indigenous. Fifth grade education...
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Four years ago, President Trump never ended up at Camp David for a week , preping, practicing, drilling, crashing, memorizing, or medicating for any debates. Trump was ready, alert and available to deal with any national emergencies in the White House requiring the attention of the Commander in Chief. And never, as president of the USA did Trump in any way, insist on any debates on his terms. Smelly...
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@LoudMouthMama-wy7mk because Democrats lie to get votes---abortion, Jan 6, Charlottesville, Social Security, Project 2025, Covid, convicted criminal, military are loosers, white supremacist, dictator. Russian Collution, and on and on. Desperate for votes. My comments are getting deleted.
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Spains resources were never focused on today's SW, which served Spain as the farthest New Spain northern outposts with few Spanish Colonial settlements to guard against Russian and French intrusion. Spain was not successful in roadways from New Mexico to New Orleans because of the Comanche in Texas, Spain holding back on colonization because of unconquered tribes and fear of indian revolts. Come 1800s Spain had relinquished Louisiana and Florida and was interested in US American colonists in Texas. Too much land, no longer a World Empire with deep pockets and was facing war in Europe and America. Upon Mexican independence, which also claimed too much land, the situation was no different from Spain, except Spain had been influential, powerful, rich. Unconquered tribes and neglected SW provinces which were foreign to Mexico City, the Mexican sovereign was rejected by the SW. In fact these never joined Mexico City towards independence from Spain... and were not Mexico under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution. By 1824 Americans settlers made their way into California and New Mexico and like Texans wanted independence from Mexico. SW were easily won by Americans during the Mexican War. Some Mexicans make a mountain of a molehill over 25 years of Mexican intrusion in the SW. In fact south of the borderians were never rooted in the SW. During the brief Mexican Period, Mexico brought a handful to California, mostly soldiers who were offered land grants to incentivise mexican settlerments and attacked by the Indians. These as well as Spanish Colonists who had been in the SW starting in 1598 were given American citizenship under the Treaty of GH 1848. Mexicans migrated later to US border areas approx 1880 with US westward movement establishing border towns with American settlers. The SW is not historically Mexico.
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@MeLlamanJhonny Texas independence to create the Republic of Texas who was not part of the Treaty of Limits. Texas was later annexed by the USA, Texas had conquered the land which become part of the USA which sparked the Mexican War over USA/Mexico disputed land. Regardless of Mexico's borders under the Treaty of Limits, the USA conquered Mexico. North American history is land claims -- Spain, GreatBritain, Russia, France. Disputed lands, revolutions, independence, new nations, Treaty's, border changes, battles, wars, conquest, more Treaty's, more borders changes.
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Mexicans invaded the USA and are immigrants.
Texas had been claimed by natives, France, Spain, Mexico and Republic of Texas and USA from who really know when to 1848
During all those years it was a desert wilderness, unpopulated except for indigenous some connected to Louisiana, the Caddo which is where Texas got its name.
Spain colonized sparsely in the 1700s with Natchitoches Spanish and Canary Islands colonists, Texas same as New Mexico and California were difficult to colonize , Indians were never conquered and life was dangerous.
Fast forward. 1821 Mexican independence from Spain, the young Republic of Mexico opened its borders and permitted Anglo Americans to settle Texas with land grants, legally. To populate and brave enough to tackle the very far isolated wilderness and buffer and fight off the terrifing fiece Comanche.
Battle of San Jacinto Mexican defeat leads to the independence Republic of Texas. Still no Mexicans in Texas . Mexican War of 1846, still no Mexicans in Texas. Mexico was required to bring troops north. 1848 USA conquest. Chihuahuans, Sonorans, Sinaloans and other south of the border begin to migrate to border areas approx 1880. Many more escaped the 1910 Mexican Revolution to the US. Millions more came with the 1970s Immigration Act. And more millions crossed illegally after 1990s. Mexicans ancestral roots are south of the border and have been migrating illegally for a 100 years at least. Mexicans are immigrants and are the invaders...
Texas is in the USA and Mexico has reclaimed nothing. Because Texas didn't belong to Mexico but for 25 years 1821-1848. And on top of that Mexicans were still in Chihuahua and only went and looked north after the USA westward movement. It was centuries of middle of nowhere wilderness until the USA captured it. Reclaiming is just an illusion based on nothing but fake history.
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The US, Great Britain dealt with Spain, it's monarchial system and after 1821 their dealing were with the Republic of Mexico. Spain by 1800 had too much land, little resources when Mx became it's own nation 1821. It was Mexico CITY , Tenochitlan or Kingdom of Mexico which was New Spain only Territory with impressive wealth and riches to later become Mexico's heart and soul. It was Mexico, not Spain conquered by the US, the US occupied Mexico 1848 flying the United States flag over Mexico City. All those three hundred year old buildings now belonged to the United States, universities, hospitals, libraries blablabla through conquest, returned to Mexico under the US Mx Treaty. US did not need the buildings, US was self made. Mx was born impoverished 1821, was in serious War debt, soldiers were unpaid, starving, many were unpatriotic and Mx couldn't hold it together. Those areas of New Spain had no need for Spain battled Spain for a decade before 1821, kicked out the Peninsulares, and many Mexicans have no need for Cortez, Spain or Malinche. Spain is many times a dirty word. Von Holbdt explorer and mapper and given his intellect knew the political climate in America as a mapper was fully aware of New Spains territories, Mexicos independence, and had been given permission from Spains monarchs to enter New Spain prior to Mexican independence. Von Holbdt was impressed by the Kingdom of Mexico, Aztec country/Mexico City commonly called Mexico, specific to that area. If Von Holbdt was so impressed , a good part of Mexico City came from Spain and Spain starting 700 AD was influenced by Arabs who were highly advanced in arts, math, science etc which Spain brought to the New World. Racial integration is an exaggeration. Spain was adamant on the caste system, Peninsulares were superior followed by their New World born children, crillos, mestizo was above the Indian and mulatto. The 1821 Mexican regime was no better causing many revolutions. It is well known that the Aztec and Mayan were an advanced culture prior to European arrival. Archeological discoveries focus on these tribes which were just a portion of New Spain. There were hundreds upon hundreds of stone age Indians slaughtering each other and would have continued if not for European intervention. New Spain was heavily influenced by language , religion, European cultures, all those Mx City European buildings palaces, castles, hospitals, cathedrals, parks blablaba brought by Spain through conquest in Tenochitlan Kingdom of Mexico Territory, central Mx today. Nevertheless it developed into today's Mexico 300 years after Spain conquered indigenous tribes.
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Hillary is a skilled politician, skilled debater , sharp and knows world affairs unlike Harris who w h o r e d her way into California politics and is noteworthy of nothing empty brain politically just crawling her way to the top. Yet Trump beat Hillary an accomplished woman. Don't hesitate, vote early, in person before election day to bank your vote. Democrats are cheating and dirty politicians. Trump can only win with millions of votes. Democrats are no to low information voters and will vote True Blue no matter consequences to America, these are millions who just don't care, the Democrat party has very wealthy donors, supported by left wing radical liberals-- Hollywood, big tech, big pharma, universities, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, plus. propaganda.
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@FM-ki4dl If anything, you were nomads who went from here to there for centuries. And finally established your tribes in Tenochtitlan, otherwise known as Mexico City. Hmmmm 1325. That's like an American Englishman trying to claim land in Hungary when his ancestors have been everywhere for centuries just as yours as your ancestors are immigrants to thecAmerican continent so you didn't originate in Utah or New Mexico. Aztec are connected to Central and South America in culture, arts, language, religion. Many SW tribes speak Dine from Alaska, and SW Zuni are just a mystery, their language is connected to Japan... Why the sudden interest in the USA wilderness desert you supposedly left after settling in Tenochtitlan a land with gold and riches after almost 2000 years. ridiculous... There is no evidence of any Atzlan anywhere... Really, your homeland is in Asia, not the USA, so go claim your home-- Asia, or Egypt, or who knows, but it's not the USA...
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Yes, they were lands to the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Cheyenne , Pawnee, Shasta, Kumeyay, Chilula, Mohave, Pueblo, Piute, Chumash, plus many northern tribes who aren't complaining about the border , the USA and never knew their indigenous lands as Mexico or themselves as Mexican. Many USA tribes are Sovereign Nations, no trespassing....
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Nestor Olivares You are making a mountain of a mole hill. 25 years before the Mexican War, the SW did not belong to Mexico, in fact there was no "Mexico" until 1821. Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos were part of New Spain but were separated by great distant , geography, tribes, peoples, culture, history, politics from other parts of New Spain including Florida. In fact New Spain was many Territories far and wide and disconnected.... The northern New Spain territories did not engage in independence from Spain, or participate with MexicoCity in battles or political dynamics against Spain. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution 1814 California and New Mexico which included Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Utah; and Texas were not Mexico. They became listed as Mexico under Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824 constitution, so these territories are not ancestrally Mexico.
Additionally Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova, consequently Mexico did not inherit its lands from Spain as Spain never treatied anything over to the Republic of Mexico. Mexico claimed Spains lands under its constitution and flag. Mexico was a late arrival to the SW, not until after 1824, consisting of basically Mexican officials who transplanted north during the SW 25 year Mexican Period. The USA took US border lands by conquest. These lands were a very distant, isolated wilderness, unincorporated self governed and highly taxed by Mexico which did not do anything for the lands. Patriotism was an issue as was a need for independence from Mexico. After the conquest both nations negotiated a very generous Treaty, the US returned half the land to a very weak Mexico, barely a nation, which included its heart and core, Mexico City. Mexico agreed to two transactions totaling 25 million dollars for lands which Mexico took from Spain just 25 years earlier.... Mexico which was dirt poor obviously needed the money more than greed... Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos stayed in the homeland under the Treaty and never cried over Mexicos brief intrusion when Mexicans left after the US annexation. The unconquered northern tribes bitterly hated Mexico fighting fierce battles in Sonora and Sinaloa to never acknowledge Mexico's as a sovereign and hated invasion in their indigenous lands. Californios, Nuevomexicanos, were Mexican citizens for all of 25 years, Tejanos for 15 years. To become American citizens under the Treaty after 1848. Regular Chihuahuans, Sinaloans or others south of the borderians did not migrate north until post Mexican War with USA westward movement. So their ancestral roots were not from anywhere in today's USA. Historically the SW were not Mexico. Mexico as a nation in diapers tried its imperialism, a brief claim to the vast distant wilderness was meaningless. Mexico was fortunate to have gotten 25 million dollars for lands Spain never treatied to Mexico. Looks like Mexico's hands were as dirty as any other nation. Mexico wanted to be a nation, lost the War along with land, that's just how nations are worldwide. Stop the tears, Mexico is no exception to humans innate rule of victor takes the spoils...
Mexico's 1824 culture is indigenous as is the United States 1776, both are also major European influenced cultures. The US cultures are regional without conflict, as USA is a melting pot. The United States was founded in the English language -- Declaration of independence, Constitution etc and official government business is conducted in English. Translators when required.... The exceptions were the SW where as in Canadas French tongue, the SW was Spains tongues. As were much of Louisiana and Mississippi areas were also French tongues. The SW after 1848, depending on statehood, were given about 30 years to adjust Judicial courts and Legislatively to English, with translators during the interim.. Just as in Mexico 1824 , the official government was founded in the Spanish language, which is not the native tongue. Germans, Irish, Asians etc citizens had to learn the Spanish language. Some Mexicans are just plain jealous of the good ole US of A...
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Trump is a true patriot. Harris will not stand up for all Americans, she doesn't even support the border patrol and refers to ICE as the KKK. She damaged California with too many regulations and will ruin Americans with extreme taxes for Socialist programs. Nothing is free...
She claims she supports woman's bodies but did not prosecute Catholic priests who abused little girls and Harris is responsible for deaths and rapes of Americans by illegal criminals who she has whole heartedly let illegal into the USA, terrorists, gangs, rapists and let Mexican cartels and smugglers control our sovereign borders, human trafficking while innocent children are missing. She abused women's bodies by forcing unwanted vaccines.
Say whatever about Trump but he as former president never abused anybody. Trump stands for America, protected our sovereign borders, is a diplomat, and works endlessly for America's interests. Trumps government checks as president went to charity, while Biden was using his VP office to money launder 26 million dollars for the Biden Crime family. Trumps 70 something has more energy than Biden, Bill and Hillary combined.
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If you believe Biden is moral and mentally capable, you have a few marbles missing yourself. Too many Democrat voters are the cause of inflation, crime, open borders, cartels, smugglers, human trafficking, overspending tax dollars . And don't care about the destabilization of the USA as long as Democrat's are in the House, Senate, Cabinet, White House changing the fundamentals of the USA. That's the plan of corrupt liars.
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@zd5917 Slapped around by Harris who memorized lies which had been debunked -- project 2025, abortion, Charlottesville, Healthcare, military, foreign affairs, economy, border and border bill. Harris was full of lies. And Trump was more than ready to challenge Harris who is the one begging for another debate because she lost. Trump needs no more debates, he's done two with Biden and Harris for same seat because Democrats cannot get their act together. And Trump hit a home run on both. Harris is no Hillary. Hillary is a a skilled politician, skilled debater, accomplished woman and knows her way around the world, and Trump beat her. Harris a 35 year politician is noteworthy of nothing, slept her way into California politics -- reputed as lazy and dirty politician. Trump a successful millionaire business man knows more about politics and foreign affairs than Harris who cannot even face the nation with any press conferences to date. No teleprompter or politicial notes and she's stuck. Trumps press conferences are countless. Trump will face any body, any media. He's brilliant, bold and has spirit and integrity for America . Pelosi didn't even want Harris on the Democrat ballot after they kicked Biden out of the race. She felt Harris was worse than Biden. Pelosi knows... And Biden has serious mental incapabilities. Leave it to Democrats. Trump does his own thing, puppet to no one like Harris. Sure Hillary, Pelosi and Democrats are scratching their heads and nodding behind closed doors , every time Harris is interviewed.
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Actually you are conflating Spain with Mexico. Spain was a monarch rule, Mexico was a republic. The United States did not go to War 1846 with Spain, the United States went to war with Mexico. A different era, government, and political climate. Both nations had gained independence from the motherland. True the northern territories, today's United States SW were thousands of miles of wilderness lands claimed by Spain who colonized just a handful of Spanish settlements because of uninhabitable lands, unconquered Indians in the very distant isolated frontier which served as New Spain outposts to protect Spains claim from French and Russian intuders. Spain had already provided land grants for American settlers in Texas before abdicating lands to Mexico. Mexico claimed these SW territories after independence, never colonized the distant SW , much less developed it, or conquered the Indians who were bitter enemies to Mexico. Spain had already given up Florida to the United States and Louisiana to France., quite likely would have done the same with the northern SW lands, as Spain was in financial trouble with the French war in Europe which was it's primary focus upon Mexico's independence. Mexico was a weak nation, never had Spains influence or power, had nationistic problems after independence, especially with the far north territories who wanted independence from Mexico.
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What about Bidens obvious lies---police and border security endorsements, Jan 6, border security, invasion, covid, inflation he created, election interference, military, social security. Nancy wags her tongue but says nothing of any good for the people. How many years in DC and the nation is a racial, criminal, in debt, inflation, illegally migration, impoverished mess. Her Californians are moving away, CA is an unrecognizable dirty rats nest. While she sits pretty in her mansions. She's totally unhinged because Trump crossed over what she assumes is her and the DC Swamp domaine. How dare Trump bring the DC institutions back to center as intended under the constitution. She needs to debate Trump himself on the Jan 6 demonstration turned into a riot. There were Antifa and plenty other left wing activists there as well.
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User. Their old territory? Mexico claimed California, New Mexico/Arizona, for barely 25 years, less for Texas. In other words those territories were not historically Mexico. They had belonged to Spain for 275 years. And under the Treaty of G Hidalgo,, the young Republic was conquered by the United States and lucky to get part of the land back, the heartland, Mexico City and other areas today Mexico. Nothing was stolen, negotiations were agreed on, the border was identifed, the far off isolated wilderness was annexed to the United States along with it's life long colonizers who had lived there in the homeland, were land holders, stayed and were not required to pack up and relocate to Mexico hundreds of miles away. Rather became Uniited States citizens under statehood or US territory. Mexico has no basis to reclaim. And the Mexican Goverenment knows this. There's a Treaty and legal purchase of fifteen million dollars plus Mexico later sold what is known as the Gadson Purchase of another ten million dollars. Why would Mexico want the SW, it can barely govern what it has, and sends the US it's poverty.
Actually California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas belonged to Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Pueblo, Yaqui, and a host of Arizona and California tribes who still live in their ancient lands and are tribal members of their own sovereign nations under the United States. If lands were stolen, it was from these tribes who were enemies to Mexico, angered for trespassing their lands and fighting battles with Mexicans.
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@Himallo Grey only northern Indians lived in the SW until Spain colonized starting in 1598. Spains territories were parts of New Spain, Spain controlled the lands. Mexico is a Johnny come late to the SW, not until after 1824. Mexico claimed these lands after independence and really only quasi governed the territories. They were too far, an isolated uninhabitable wilderness. Spain only colonized northern NM, San AntonioTexas, and California--just a few Spanish colonies because of unconquered dangerous Indians, isolation and harsh environment. And placed Spanish colonists in these far north New Spain outposts to protect Spains claim on these lands against French intrusion. These were a separate part of New Spain, different geography, history, politics, people and culture. All of New Spain territories, Florida, Cuba, Central America, Caribbeans, Philippines, Pacific coast, California to Louisiana, and what is today Mexico were goverened by Spains viceroy in Mexico City. You are correct, Mexicans are immigrants, in fact Anglo Americans settled in Texas, California and New Mexico before Mexicans. During the Mexican War, there were no Mexicans in the SW to battle the US, and Mexico gave land grants to Americans for settlements in Texas to fight off the Comanche.
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@JYRey Conquest is not stealing with flair. The Spanish with Aztec enemies battled Montezuma . The Spanish were not exiled, or killed off amist thousands of Indians. By strength the European conquered by 16th C standards.... It was not Mexico, it was territories with different Indian tribes specific to geographic location to become part of New Spain. 300 years later some of New Spain's territories became Mexico. The Mexican American War was started by Mexico, a bloody battle, arms against arms. Mexico was conquered, occupied with the United States flag flown over Mexico City. The United States did not steal, rather took control of Mexico and gave half the land back under the Treaty of G Hidalgo. The young nation of Mexico 1824 established itself as a western world republic, With that came treaties, wars, border changes, territorial purchases. It was not such a small world, Mexico was aware of western world politicsl affairs and willingly the newly established Mexican Goverenment set itself up as similar to the US government system. If Mexico lost the War, too bad, it's history. They accepted defeat and agreed to terms under the Treaty including a purchase. Nothing was stolen. Mexicans lost no lands, simply because Mexicans had never been in those lands that were annexed. It was Mexican officials who left for the SW to claim the lands. In the short 25 years of quasi goverening the SW, Mexico never colonized so there was no need for Mexico to conquer the enemy Apache, Navajo or Comanche tribes...Mexico just let them roam. Simultaneously, the new mestizo Mexican goverenment took the Indians lands in what is today Mexico.
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When Mexico gained independence, its government officials headed to the very far north 1824 to notify New Mexicans they were now Mexican citizens and replaced Spains flag with Mexico's. You're right, this was basically all the Mexican government involvement in New Mexico during the 24 years Mexican Period. New Mexico Spanish settlements were from Socorro to Taos 1598-1821. During the Mexican Period 1821-1846, Manuel Armijo, a New Mexican from the Albuquerque area was appointed New Mexico's governor by the Mexican government. And during this Period, Sonorans or Sinaloans or people south of there, did not migrate to NM. But there was Indian activity against Mexico. Comanche, Apache and Kiowa tribes attacked, pillaged those Mexican villages, mines, ranches after Mexico trespassed their NM, TX northern lands. 1846 , Mexican War, New Mexico was easily taken by the USA Army. Mexico never sent soldiers to NM. By 1848 Mexico was conquered by USA. Mexicans began migrating to US border areas after the Mexican War, about 1880 with USA westward movement. They established towns along the border along with Anglo Americans. Not many migrated further north in NM, because there were no job opportunities as in California and Texas. They later migrated to largest city Albuquerque about 1950s. So the Mexican influx has basically been the more recent 20-3 0 years north of Albuquerque.
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The part of the U.S. that was part of Mexico was for barely 25 year's. How come we never hear this. Lots of Mexicans are Indian and lots are European, not necessarily from Spain. Some Mexicans are Asian, Cuban, Philippine and what not. If you are Mexican Indian, your ancestors were from what is today Mexico which was not always Mexico until 1824. Before 1824 all of New Spain were separate territories belonging to Spain. Being Mexican, your tribes were from down south. Between those tribes and California tribes was one big uninhabitable wilderness for hundreds of miles. It was Spain who first explored California and found Pacific coast and Mohave Indians and many more tribes in- between. Thus Mexican Indians are from Mexico. United States Indians are from the U.S. Your Indian ancestors come from Mexico, they were not indigenous to the northern territories as well as your Spanish ancestors, they were not Spanish colonists in California. Consequently, upon the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States and Mexico agreed on the border. The people of the SW territories were allowed to stay in their homeland and become U.S. citizens, instead of packing up to relocate to far off Mexico. Mexicans on the other hand, lost nothing, stayed in Mexico their homeland. The SW was not historically Mexico. In fact, if Mexico 1824 had not gained independence 25 years earlier, there would be no Mexico. Spain had already transferred Florida to the United States, granted land grants to Americans in Texas. So who knows what the plan was for the upper latitude SW territories. Most likely sold to the United States as Spain had too much land to finance and control, was overstretched.
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@seanbrummfield448 Mexico was a Johnny come late in SW history 1824-1846. , known as the Mexican Period by SW historians. The SW was approx 275 years under Spain, the Spanish Colonial Period; 25 years under Mexico; and since 1848 under the United States , the Territorial Period; depending, from state to states, as the SW States became States at different times. In fact there were some SW folks that were born under the Spanish flag, lived briefly under Mexico's flag, and died under the United States flag as Americans. Mexico became a nation in 1824 as Estados Unidos Mexicano's, it's citizens at that time, became Mexican under it's constitution. The United States was a model to Mexico in independence and a Republic goverenment. As the young Mexico claimed the SW after Spain abdicated the territories, the SW citizens at that time also became Mexican citizens, (Spanish colonists, American Anglo and SW Indians) many reluctantly. Mexico had patriotic problems especially in the very distant territories from Mexico City, the core; and Central America. The SW Indians never accepted Mexico, some the tribes in closer proximity to Mexico were in fierce battles with Mexicans. In fact New Mexico settlers refused to ally with Mexico to battle the Comanche.. As to the northern Indians, the SW was their indigenous lands. To the Spanish colonists , some in the SW since 1598, this was the homeland. The Treaty of G Hidalgo pretty much followed the history of the lands and people in establishing the border. The SW lands and people were not historically Mexico/Mexican. Folks sometimes conflate Spain with Mexico erroneously. Two separate claims, separate era's, two different goverernments. Interesting that Vera Cruz and Mexico were conquered by Spain, 1524. Exploration continued from there to the west, south and decades later north 1550 to California, New Mexico/AZ, Texas . So territory by territory lands were explored and claimed by Spain to become separate territories, in fact some kingdom territories of New Spain, all part of Spains Empire. New Spain was California to Florida, Pacific coast, Central America, today's Mexico, Philippines, Cuba, Caribbeans, plus. Nothing was taken from Mexicans. No lands, no nothing, except for their 25 year claim a distant and isolated wilderness. Conquered in War, a Treaty agreement and purchase. Mexico did not colonize the SW or conquer the SW Indians or were there Mexicans in the SW during the Mexican War in most of the territories. They were brought into the SW to battle the Americans, Americans who had already settled in the SW since 1821. The descendants of the Spanish colonists are still in the SW homeland; the SW Indians are still in their inherent sovereign lands. Some Mexicans problem is that the border was too far north, yet Mexicans were too far south in their homeland.
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Thank you USA for the westward expansion and annexation of the northern territories. Mexico, since it's becoming a nation 1824, Estados Unidos Mexicanos was born of a corrupt dictatorship. In serious financial debt, internal racial revolutions, competition for power, a government not for and by the people. The northern territories were very distant, disconnected and neglected by Mexico who had no vision as Manifest Destiny for the land which became part of prosperous USA. Since after the Mexican War, Mexicans only look north for hope. Many Mexicans are jealous of the United States, especially those in Chihuahua crying because the negotiated border is too far north, falsely claiming stolen lands. And don't forget Yucatan, begging to be annexed by the United States.
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What lands.... The lands still belong to the Navaho, Yumas, Kumeyaay, Comanche, Chumash, Shasta, Pueblo, Mohave, Yokut, Ute, Apache, Kiowa, Piaute plus many northern tribes, and those from south of the border are not welcome on foreign land. And some of those fierce warriors tribes let Mexico know it in the 1800s, after Mexico trespassed their lands. Your lands back is pure ignorance. Mexico claimed parts of Central America briefly too, go claim those lands....
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Pure rubbish, blablabla. In fact the doctors should be sued for medical malpractice as any doctor can observe a serious neurological condition. As each day passes the evidence is mounting. Democrat powers that be were were aware of Bidens decline years ago, open secret everybody knew but no one was honest to talk about publicly. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS Democrat media knew , and failed to report the news. The only media reporting news, the truth on Biden was Republican platform FOX. After the debate Democrat media, celebrities and politicians were caught in their lies . Fake liberal media is no longer covering up for Biden as of the debate. Chaos among Democrats suddenly fighting off each other on support for Biden. If there had been no debate , the fake Democrat media would still be carrying on the facade. These are evil people. They are not even jour nalists, they are actors. True journalism digs for the facts and reports it, unbiased. Democrats be it the media, politicians, elites, celebrities, voters, even Bidens doctors are gaslighters, bought and paid for , selling their soul to you know who... Democrats politicians are a joke, running from reporters in the halls of Congress now that they're lies are exposed, is history in the making by true historians. Another Watergate. Democrats will continue to lie, continue to deceive Americans in every which way. For they crave power over Republicans: Democrats will cheat, lie, violate, even support a corpse ( in their own nutty words) over a Republican, and have no integrity towards democracy or for the people under our USA constitutional republic . Anti American Democrats need to support their damaging policies to the point of bringing in illegal migrants for Democrat votes and have been doing this since the 1960s when Democrats brought south of the border votes to keep them afoat.... with programs and Titles to no end.... bought and paid for with American tax payer dollars. And still at it with open borders. And no voter integrity. After all, the Democrat party supported slavery, it was Republican Lincolns fight for emancipation. And it was the Democrats who organized the Klu Klaz Klan, White Supremacy .
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The migrant vote, easy on crime woke prosecutors, unreported crimes, wide open border, legalized drugs, migrant crime, migrant benefits, dumping migrants in Americans communities, control, election interference, transgender operations paid by tax payer dollars even on children without parental consent, human trafficking, unaffordable taxes and government regulations inflation, overspending. It's doesn't look like America because of destabilizaton, and that's the Democrat plan.
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The Mexican culture in California is imported from Mexico. In fact American Anglos arrived in California , as settlers, 1821, even prior to Mexican government officials headed hundreds of miles, if not over a thousand miles north after Mexican independence from Spain. New Mexico and California were easily conquered by USA 1846 because there was barely a Mexican soldier in sight, they we all still south of today's border... Mexicans started migrating to USA border areas with USA westward movement, establishing border towns along with Anglo Americans 1880s. Most migration started in 1970s with Democrat's Immigration Act , then turn of this century open borders, uncontrolled migration, about 1990s, political motivation for south of the border Democratic vote...
It was the USA who built California which was just a desert isolated wilderness in 1848. Had it belonged to Mexico it would look like a Juarez City dump... On the otherhand if not for USA, it would still be a wilderness desert as it had been for centuries before European explorations by sea, Spain and Russia in the 1500s. California is enriched with USA America culture and Mexicans have copied it lol... Mexican culture has abandoned their children, and put their families in danger to get over the border to our American culture. Ever since USA westward movement 1880s and Mexican Revolution 1910, Mexicans look only north , coveting the northern neighbors land...
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@carloscarlin114 Poinsett... What an exaggeration.
There was no Mexican Empire in late 1700s, during the SW Spanish Colonial era when SPAIN appointed territorial governor's throughout New Spains territories ending in 1821. About 1770, New Mexico Territory, Governor Anza defeated the Comanche, creating a pact between New Mexico colonial settlers and the Comanche against the Apache, another world a 1000 miles distant from Mexico City, a different part and territory of New Spain. Iterbide declared Mexico the Mexican Empire 1821 decades and even a different century AFTER Anza's defeat. The Comanche was still an unconquered tribes in 1821 and never acknowledged Mexico's independence battling Chihuahua and never allied with Mexico or any of Mexico's powers that be. In fact, the Comanche were the fiercest tribes feared by all for hundreds of miles. Mexican independence made no difference to the Comanche, it was violent business as usual for centuries until the United States quelled them.
John Sidell was commissioned by Polk 1845 to offer Mexico purchase of California, NM and TX.. before the Mexican War broke out. This was in the 1840s, Iterbide was no longer Mexico's emporer.
And M Austin was given approval by SPAIN through Antonio Maria Martinez, Texas Goverener under Spain, towards the end of the Spanish Colonial era, for Spanish Land Grant settlements in Texas to American settlers. M Austin died before Mexican independence and his son, S Austin followed through with the young Republic of Mexico to finally get Americans to settle in Texas by land grants. Common sensly and historically, what became Mexico in 1821, was never goverened by two separate governments/entities/nations, New Spains territories were never an empire or a nation while under Spains iron clad rule for 300 years. After independence, many territories became a part of Mexico, central Mexico it's heart and core. The young Republic was barely a nation with internal revolutions and lack of financial resources. Mexico was not fully independent, still under European medding until the 1860s. It lost lands in the isolated wilderness north, and to Mexico's south, distant from Mexico's heart and core where patriotism was flimsy. They were unincorporated self goverened quasi territories.
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@Htxtonytony Hunter is the not the target, but hunter is the footsteps leading to the target with mounting evidence by the day. The investigation is following the money, mansions, Porcha, whistle blowers, bank accounts, email, texts, pictures, Ukraine, Russia, and on and on...
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You're making a mountain of a molehill. 25 years is nothing. Unless you're Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Caddo, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Pueblo, Kiowa, Piaut or other northern tribes those weren't your lands. Mexico was a Johnnie come very late 1800s to California, New Mexico which included Arizona, Texas. 250 years Spain, 25 years Mexico and 175 years USA. Mexicans blood has always been south of the border. In fact , historically the only true Mexican is the mexica Aztec from today's central Mexico. Read a book or two...
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New Mexico was claimed and named so by Spain 1560 upon Spains later exploration in las tierras nuevas or new lands in the far north along with Texas and Pacific coast,, California becoming other parts of New Spain. So New Mexico territory got its name almost three centuies before Mexico got its name in1824 and the United States getting it's name in 1776. What is today's Mexico had been many territories, parts of New Spain which also includes parts of the United States, Pacific coast to Florida, Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines, Central America, plus. Actually, New Mexico predates Mexico, so it was never "new" to Mexico or a "new" Mexico. NM was named for "new" treasures Spain hoped to discover in the far northern lands, as the Spanish had found with the "mexica" Aztecs gold in Tenicholan which was later given the name Mexico "City" (home to the Aztec) by Spain 1524 Not all of what is today Mexico was Aztec territory and there were enemy tribes surrounding the valley of the Mexica. . New Mexico obviously is a misnomer, as the Spanish found no gold...
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@anonymike8280 St Agustin Florida was founded in 1565 before Santa Fe, Jamestown and Plymouth. The first European settlement in what is today the United States. If you are referring to Mexicans take over of the United States SW as reconquesta, that's Chicano Studies nonsense. The SW was never colonized by Mexico which became it's own country in 1824 through independence from Spain. Spain had colonized New Mexico 1598, San Antonio about mid 1700s and California late during the SW Spanish Colonial Period, about 1770. These were Spanish colonies governed by Spain. These SW territories annexed by the United States were a different geography, colonist, culture, history, politics and Indian and very far off in isolated areas of New Spain who were not involved in any way with political conflicts between Mexico City and Spain. Upon independence, Mexico got its name Estados Unidos Mexicano's, it's citizens became Mexican. It was after this that Mexican officials for the first time headed north, today's SW. Quasi governed the territories which were atomonous. Supplanted the flag of Spain with Mexico's. Were met with resistance and considered strangers. Mexico never colonized, developed or conquered the SW Indians who were indigenous to the lands -- Apache, Navajo, Comanche, Ute, Yaqui, Pueblo and a host of other California and Arizona tribes plus more in the far north, never acknowledged Mexico. In fact the Comanche, Yaqui and Apache had bitter wars with the new Republic of Mexico, Chihuahua in particular. One example was the Spanish colonists from New Mexico refused to ally with the Mexican army to attack the Comanche. Furthermore, Mexico had patriotic issues with territories the further away from Mexico City. The Treaty of G Hidalgo allowed Mexican ( SW Spanish colonists and Indians) citizens of the SW, those colonists, to remain in the homeland, now the United States side of the border, becoming United States citizens. These were very distant territories from Mexico up to a thousand miles, the border areas were unpopulated for hundreds of miles. Mexicans began migration north to border areas after the Mexican War as the United States had conquered the Apache and living conditions improved on lands formerly uninhabitable. Mexicans were Johnny come late to the SW, the lands never belonged to them historically except for the SW 25 year Mexican Period. There is no Aztlan to reconquer as Chicano professors teach. It's all propaganda. Mexican factions want to revise history on the strength and success of the United States to justify their lust for the United States claiming as theirs. If the United States goverenment was corrupt and impoverished like theirs, they'd have no need for it. They'd stay in their proud Mexico lindo.
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The annexed territories to begin with, were not historically Mexico. 26 years before the Mexican War, these lands belonged to Spain who did not recognize Mexican independence. Additionally the Spanish settlers from California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas did not join Hidalgo against Spain or Mexico City political dynamics and battles toward independence from Spain. Mexico's first 1814 Constitution of Apatzingan did not recognize the far north California, New Mexico, or Texas as Mexico. Additionally Mexico's goverenment was not necessarily welcome in the far north territories, patriotism was an issue and the majority of the Spanish settler descendants Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos were given the choice to stay in the USA or transplant to Mexico under the Treaty, chose to remain in the historical homeland becoming USA citizens. 25 years does not make a Mexican which was born of mandated Mexican citizenship under Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution during the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. New Spain was many territories separated by thousands of miles, far and wide -- California to Florida, Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Central America, Cuba, Caribbeans, Phillipines , plus. New Spain had been governed by Spains viceroy in Mexico City and territories separated from New Spain in due time, little by little staring with Florida, Louisiana Purchase, Mexico, Central America, Texas Republic, today's SW, Cuba and on and on.
North Americans history did not began with Mexico ( Tenochtitlan later renamed Mexico City by Spain, today's central Mexico). Our history begins with many indigenous tribes who were never one nation or Mexican.
Our history is European claims; Spains territories and Great Britain colonies, French territories, Russian claims. New nations and independence from the mother lands starting with the USA 1776, land disputes, treaties, purchases, border changes, war, conquest, annexed lands.
Spain had claimed too much land; its focus, central government, financial power was Mexico City. It barely colonized or financed California, New Mexico, Texas which were difficult to colonize and basically very distant isolated outposts to guard Spains lands against French or Russian intrusion. Indians were unconquered and living conditions were too dangerous. Turn of the century, 1800s, Spain had given up Florida and Louisiana, and was in negotiations with Americans for land grant settlements in Texas, these were Spain/US borderlands. Spains priority was its war in Europe with France simultaneously fighting New Spain in today's central Mexico. No longer had deep pockets or a world power. If not for Mexican independence, the writing was on the wall, and Spain likely would have sold its USA borderlands it barely supported California, New Mexico, Texas to the USA.
SW Mexican Period, these were too far an isolated wilderness desert, and disconnected from central Mexico, were highly taxed with no return, automous and most likely were destined for USA lands. Who found the gold in 1849.... Actually it had been Mexican government officials who transplanted north after independence, not regular Sonorans or Sinaloans or other south of the border Mexicans. It was the USA that later attracted Mexicans to the north after centuries of thousands of miles of desolate lands untouched except by Indian roaming tribes from the north until Europe brought horses and weapons able to tackle barriers... war was never in history immoral and Mexico is no exception, war, conquest and loss is history throughout the world for centuries. In fact Mexico took it lands from Spain, the Crown never signed the Treaty of Cordova...Mexico helped itself to the territories from Central America to today's SW. You might say imperialism under its Constitution. The territories again were too much for Mexico , unlike Spain had no influence, finances, power, united government and had no control..
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@chicago618 To clarify my post, there is general misinformation regarding historical documentation involving CA, NM-AZ, TX as being lands that were Mexico. True, but typically folks, historians, writters disregard or are ignorant that this was just for a brief few 26 years. Mexico declared independence in 1821 after, at that time, battles ended with Spain. The Crown of Spain did not sign the Treaty of Cordova refusing to acknowledge independence. 1836 Treaty was signed by Spain after almos a decade and a half after Spain finally accepted independence. In between both Treaties were a series of military hostilities between the 1st Mexican Republic 1824 and Spain, Spain attempted to regain control over Mexico, Spain lost the final battle 1829 and a new Treaty was in order 1836 , Spain finally recognizing Mexico's independence. How independent was the young Mexico, European France had their hands in Mexico until 1860s... The Mexican Republic, Estados Unidos Mexicanos failed to gain control of Spains Cuba territory. Louisiana and Florida had been treatied or purchased by the USA and Mexico had no claim to them
The 1814 Apatzingan Constitution supports SW historians, Mexican Period 1821-1846. Prior to this Period, CA, NM/AZ, TX were not recognized as part of Mexico and were not identified as protected/benefited under the Apatzingan Constitution of that day. These territories were not Mexico's children at that time....
The United States colonists voted for independence except for Loyalists of Penn and S Carolina. Many New Spain colonists were loyalists to Spain, unpatriotic to Mexico. CA, NM, TX New Spain colonists did not vote for independence, nor did any other territory for that matter. Rather Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos were informed of Mexican citizenship after the fact of independence and 1824 Mexican Constitution naming them subjects of Estados Unidos Mexicanos. But 26 years later, upon United States conquest, they immediately knew of the change of government. The difference, they were closer to the United States than to central Mexico, of which they were pretty much strangers to. And had ties with Americans via Santa Fe Trail from Missouri commerce trade and American mountain fur traders. Estados Unidos Mexicanos did not inherit Spains lands as Spain in 1821 did not surrender its lands. By 1836 the Mexican Republic had claimed Spains lands on its own through Mexico's 1824 constitution basically mandating Mexican citizenship to Spains territories. 10 years later, Spain did not come to Mexico's rescue during the Mexican War against the USA. The USA colonies Independence grew, gained new territories; while many territories Spain had claimed were lost by Mexican Independence.
Many SW colonists were loyalists to Spain and rebelled Mexican authorities who they considered intruders. They did not join the independence cause. Historically the USA recognized Spains territories and its Spain/US borderlands. And recognized Mexican independence. In reality, Mexico had little control over CA, NM, TX. Additionally the unconquered tribes indigenous to the far north NewSpain-- Navajo, Ute, Shasta, Mohave, Piaut, Chumash, Kiowa Comanche plus hundreds more never accepted Mexico or the US as their sovereign. And as with the Spanish colonists , sided with the USA over Mexico. One example is Nuevomexicanos refusing central Mexico to alli with Mexico's army to battle the Comanche who slaughtered Chihuahua, Nuevomexicanos never did warn of the upcoming ferocious attacks. Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos were forced Mexican citizenship and like the Indians, inherently knew they were not Mexican just like the indigenous northern tribes. The Apache was in awe of the USA paying Mexico $15,000,000 for lands they inherently knew was not Mexico. And I will just circle back to my original post, CA and SW are not historically Mexico. It is historical events of the past resulting where all of us are today.
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@chicago618 To deconfuse, there is no record in the 1814 Apatzingan Constitution or as to your comparison analogy as you state, that "Mexico" of that day, was sovereign to territories that would become Mexico similar to the US. Based on documentation, the written record does not archive CA, NM, TX as Mexico in that Constitution.
The Treaty of Cordova 1821 is the first document to accept, between Spain and Mexico, what WILL become the First Mexican Empire. The record does not record the Crowns signature because Mexican Independence was rejected by Spain.
The 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution records the young Mexico's states and territories, which does record CA, NM, TX within Mexico. There is no documentation recorded on territories, or agreement of Spains transferring lands or waters to Mexico. The 1836 Santa Maria Calatrava Treaty does not document states, territories or boundaries.
The 1848 Treaty of G Hidalgo upon annexation of territories after the documented Mexican War, records in detail ; rivers, coast, ports, ocean, waters, landmarks, authoritative maps , boundary lines established between both nations. Clearly CA, NM, TX were within the Republic of Mexico, briefly, 1824-1848. But not ancestrally, as is typically assumed. Simply put, CA, NM, TX Mexican citizenship of 26 years is documentated and archived. Its referred to as the SW Mexican Period. No ambiguity. Its documentationed history. You can analyze all you want, but you cannot alter the record.
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Right. Mexicans didn't lose any land. They are still in Chihuahua or Sonora untouched by the USA. The Spanish colonists didn't lose the northern homeland of California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas. Mandated Mexican citizenship for 25 years is not Mexican. And the Apache, Navajo, Ute, Shasta, Piaut, Kiowa, Caddo, Comanche, Pueblo tribes, plus, never acknowledged Mexico or identified as Mexican and neither culture identified as mestizo. The Spanish and Indian didn't mix as the Indians were unconquered except for the Pueblo. The loosers were those Chihuahuans who missed the US border as they were too far north, so many now only look north.
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There was no Mexico until 1824, just like there was no USA until 1776. The young Mexico Republic claimed the SW after independence under it's Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution. Mexico attempted independence in 1814, under it's first Apatzingan Constitution, California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas are not Mexico. Mexico just put it's foot in the SW during the SW Mexican Period of 25 years, 1821-1846; Mexican government officials headed north to announce Mexican citizenship, remove Spains flag and replace with Mexicos flag. Many citizens wanted independence from Mexico and these New Spain Territories did not participate with Mexico City for independence. Additionally, Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova and Spain never Treaty'd any of its lands to Mexico. The SW are not historically Mexico, historically Mexico.
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Oh yah, why didn't Pelosi apply the 25th to an obviously senile and incomplete Biden, Because the entire democratic party is corrupt and the destruction of America is from within. Trumps sins are no greater than Clinton or Biden. This is nothing but election interference, didn't Biden say he would do anything to keep Trump fom the presidency. We live in a decayed society where many are amoral liberals and anything goes. Even foreigners can see the breakdown of our republic while democrats are asleep and totally ignorant of Biden babbled speeches, numerous falls in public, lost on the stage, shakes hands with no one, reads all his scriprs, incapable on the world stage, and media bias covering up for him. Yet, the world is laughing. And imbeciles will vote him in a second term....
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Veye ALV The annexed territories, today in the United States were destined for the United States. They were basically in the middle of nowhere, Indian tribes independent from any nation, were inherently neither Mexican or American the lands of more value to the United States then the young Republic of Mexico. Spain had transferred parts of New Spain, Louisiana to France and later Florida to the United States by 1800 and in the process of issuing land grants to Americans in Texas before Mexican independence. The US/Spain borderlands were not in Spains best interest, the Crown minicably financed or colonized and never in 275 years conquered the Indians, Spain unable to develop roads to New Orleans from the SW because of fearcly warrior Comanches. Spain would have sold these territories if not for independence as by this time Spain had lost it's glory and the northern latitude territories were no longer of use to Spain. These territories were claimed by Spain, used as outposts to guard against French and Russian intrusion in 17th, 18th centuies. Arter independence, California and the SW were just quasi unincorperated Mexican territories, disconnected from todays Mexico in distance, history, culture, geography, tribes, politics, people. The connection was language. The rivers did not even feed into what became Mexico just barely and petered out in the outer edges of Chihuahua and Baja California -- Rio Grande and Colorado rivers. Rivers are natural borders, it's tributaries feeding into it's peoples, el agua es la vida. These tributaries did not sustain what is today Mexico. CA and SW colonists did not join central New Spain in battles or politically for independence. Mexico claimed the far north as Spain abdicated the lands, Mexican imperialism and forced Mexican citizenship on the colonists who rejected Mexico, the Mexican goverenment were considered foreign strangers and colonists we're not patriotic to Mexico. In fact NM colonists refused to ally with Mexico's army to battle the Comanche, who raided Chihuahua without colonists warning, leaving in it shreds. Throughout CA and SW colonists sided with American settlers, seeking independence from Mexico. If you say you kept the most beautiful and richest parts of Mexico, the populations in California and SW never intrnistically connected with you. SW history includes the 275 years Spanish Colonial Period, 25 years Mexican Period (government) and 173 years US American Period. 25 years under Mexico is hardly worth the noise. Prior to the European, America was vast land with no linial borders or nations. Europeans claimed lands to become territorial claims. Nations and borders were made by historical events. Yes, Mexico is beautiful but so is the United States. As far as richest? the United States has its own deserts, mountains, prairies, natural resources, rivers, coasts, metropolis, etc and a goverenment second to no nation.
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@navy4735 Generally historians do not make clear distinction between Tenochititlan, todays Mexico City, from the nation, Mexico, and misleading, as most folks don't know the history as this videos presentation. The closest to "Mexico" centuries ago was what Spaniards referred as valley of Mexico or the Kingdom of Mexico Territory in what the mexica called Tenochititlan. 300 years after Spains ruling power, Mexico was born from several New Spain Territories. So there was no Mexico, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, until 1824. Yet, its more than often historians, educaters, writes refer to Mexico the nation 1824 as if it had always been , when in fact it was Mexico City which existed in the 1500s. New Spain was referred to by Territory or towns identification, clearly recorded in Catholic genealogical records where New Spains subjects were born, married, died in Spain or New Spain. Not Mexico, unless it was Mexico City.
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This sermon is hypocritical. Not a word for God fearing Christians be honest and follow the laws of the land as Jesus would have cautioned against disrespect for illegally stepping into another's borders in violation of the Law of the Land. Not a word on respecting God's Laws or respecting the Laws of the Land. Illegal migration involves corruption, crime, dirty politics, rape, murder, human trafficking, votes for Democrats, lies, false documents, abusing the system, taking others resources. She said nothing about lawful Immigration, the honest process under the Law in the manner acceptable to God. It's a biased political sermon also unacceptable to God, as God is not involved in political corruption.
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@ericflores9201 it's you who needs to read a book or two and also take a look at New Spains maps. Cuba and Caribbeans were not under New Granada's viceroyalty and it was never stated that South America had been a part of New Spain, so you need to learn to read as well. The Philippines, regardless of whatever percent of blood ties to Spain, was nevertheless a territory of New Spain. Historically Mexicans have always prided themselves on their Indian blood significantly more than the Spanish blood, more accepting of Spain with current DNA tests, as most mestizo historically have negative attitudes towards the Spanish.... Mexico was established as a mestizo nation, Indian pride and let's not overlook Mexicos patron saint, rooted from the story of the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe who is really Tonantzin, the venerated to date, Aztec godess on Tepayac Hill, cemented worship into hearts and minds of the Mexican Indians and mestizos. . How about Mexicans hatred towards Spaniard Cortez and hatred for his indigenous lover and interpreter Malinche for betraying the Indians. Who knows where you get your upside down info, but it's not real history.
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The NM Pueblo Tribes along the Rio Grande do not consider themselves Mexican. Neither do California or SW Tribes as Navaho, Apache, Kiowa, Comanche, Piaut, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, many other northern tribes. Spain explorations over several decades claimed many territories to become New Spain. Many of these tribes over centuries came from the north speaking the Dine language. Some of New Spain territories became Mexico in 1821. Mexico was never a nation until the 19th century, part of New Spain until then and claimed California and SW after independence, Spain had dropped the European blood after 1519 in the continent, today's Mexico, Pacific Coast to Canada, California to Florida, parts of New Spain, different peoples. Spain also bred with the indigenous far more than the English or French, from today's USA to South America. Spains caste system was Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, indio, mulatto. There was no Mexican classification until 1824. Mexican is a citizenship, not a race. Mexico as part of the America's is a melting pot of peoples and cultures from all over the world. The USA became a nation 1776 out of English colonies , Mexico became a nation 1821 out of Spains territories. California and the SW were under Mexico's governance for only 25 years to become US American after 1848, and these states are not historically Mexico. Folks from Louisiana and Mississippi areas are of Spain, France, Africa heritage and Floridians historically are from Spain/Cuba. Many people's, mixed. Many cultures and skin colores. But for 3 centuries Spain did not conquer the California and SW Indians who were not mestizo as they generally did not mix with the Spanish. Spanish Colonial Tejanos were from the Canary Islands and Louisiana. Mexican citizens migrated mostly after 1880s to USA border areas along with Americans to establish border towns....
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Mexico Treaty'd lands to the USA 1848, border, waters, territories, Spains lands. Spain did not accept Mexican independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova or transfer any lands to Mexico.
Looks like Mexico stole Spains lands. They battled for another decade. Mexico quasi claimed the unincorporated SW for barely 25 years, 15 for Texas. Sonorans or Sinaloans never had ancestral roots in CA, NM/AZ or TX. The land was not ancestrally Mexican. Mexico has no more history than the USA, both New England colonies and part of New Spain territories became American nations off the motherland, Great Britain and Spain. Mexico claimed its lands piggybacking off Spains lands left over after Florida and Louisiana transferred to USA, under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, Mexican citizenship. Mexico was a Johnnie come late not until after 1824 to California, New Mexico and Texas, these didn't fight along with Mexico City for independence. In fact under the Apatzingan constitution 1814, these territories were not Mexico... After 1848 it was bye, bye Mexico. The SW folks remained in their centuries homeland to become US citizens and never cried over foreign Mexico. It's only Mexican factions that hold a grudge over USA conquest. The truth is Chihuahuans, Sinaloans migrated to the border areas after USA westward movement after the Mexican War. Had there been no USA Mexicans would never look north. Why not flee south, it was part of Mexico briefly too. History 101....
USA conquered Mexico. What is Mexico today is historically land returned to Mexico by the USA. Conquest, two Treaty's-- GH and Gadsden Purchase of 25 million dollars is not stealing. In fact Mexico crossed borders of ancestral tribal lands of Navaho, Pueblo, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Shasta, Chumash plus, many more who never identified as Mexican or mestizo. Comanche left deep scars in Chihuahua after leaving in shreds.. Mexico trespassed their lands in the 1800s and Mexicans today trespass USA land unless legally... Well " your land" belongs to the world. USA open borders let's every nation in, so "your so called land" belongs to Mexicans, Cubans, South and Central Americans, Europeans, East Europeans, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Islanders, Egyptian, Indians, and who not. WOW!
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@Shanoxxa Wrong about what? I agree, on the Aztec, Olmec , Mayans and such, advanced cultures who are natives of today's central Mexico and Central America. But they have nothing to do with today's USA. Today's Mexico is not "Mexico" of centuries ago. When the first Spanish European arrived in Vera Cruz by ship, 1519,
they did not land in "Mexico". They arrived in an unknown nameless land which were not nations and upon Spains further exploration they discovered many far reaching lands after over four decades, these were well over a thousand miles by land and sea from Vera Cruz, lands were to become New Spain. All of these lands had their own distinct tribes and indigenous names. Spain did not encounter Aztecs tribes in what they named Vera Cruz. They encountered the Aztec after Vera Cruz Mayans, further inland in Tenochtitlan, mexica lands which Spain renamed "Mexico City" after the "mexica" Aztec. This was ancient "Mexico " or what Spain called the valley of Mexico because they were mexica Aztec lands, were apprx 350 Sq miles. Ancient Mexico was the extent of Montezumas reign of the Aztec mexica. Mexico or Tenochtitlan consisted of only Aztec mexica tribes which was only a very small fraction of New Spains hundreds of tribes....most not yet advanced, still pretty much living in the stone age, having nothing to do and very distant from Aztec mexica "mexico." Basically another world. For close to three hundred years all Spains many territories were known as New Spain,
Pacific Coast to Canada, California, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana to Florida, today's Mexico, Central America, Phillipines, Cuba, Caribbeans, plus... They were governed by Spains viceroy who was seated in richly influencal "Mexico City" who answered to Spains king . New Spains territories were separated by distance, geography, tribes, culture, history, peoples, politics. And they were identified by territory as the valley of Mexico was in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, there was the Kingdom of Galacia Territory, Kingdom of Estramadura Territory, Kingdom of New Mexico Territory , Kingdom of Navarra Territory and on and on. You can easily refer to a pre 1821 New Spain map. Some became Frence territories or USA prior to 1800. There was no "Mexico" as a nation until Mexican independence after three centuries 1824 and not all of New Spains territories became Mexico. Only those territories listed in the Republic of Mexico, Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution of which Spain did not recognize independence or title its lands over to Mexico. What is today Mexico is Mexico under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo because the United States after conquest, under the Treaty, returned half of Mexico 25 years after Mexican independence or the Mexican War. This is all documented history. No parts of today's USA were ancestrally "Mexico" be it ancient Tenochtitlan or what became today's Mexico. The descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers who lived in New Spains far north isolated territories of California, New Mexico and Texas during the Spanish Colonial Period up to 1821, became Mexican citizens as did any American settler living in those provinces during the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. These Californios. Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos became Mexican citizens because the territories of California New Mexico and Texas were claimed as provinces under Mexico's 1824 constitution. Then became USA citizens and remained in their SW homeland now in the US under the Treaty. Not to be conflated with south of the border Mexicans who had no ancestral roots to today's USA, were not here even during the 25 year Mexican Period, but for Mexican officials and a handful of families who transplanted north after independence. Later Mexicans began migration to border areas establishing border towns late 1800s, these are not their ancestral lands. All northern indigenous tribes as Navaho, Apache, Kiowa, Chumash, Comanche, Shasta, Mohave, Ute plus hundreds more, were never inherently Mexican as tribes innately knew their lands.
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@josem588 The USA did not steal land from Mexico. The USA conquered Mexico and Mexico took part in the 25 million dollars transaction for annexed lands. How much did Mexico pay Spain for the territories. Nada.... Not even a Treaty. Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence and Spains monach refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova 1821.
Back up to 1814 Mexicos first constitution, Apatzingan. California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas are not recognized as Mexico. Mexico took Spains territories by an imperialist Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution in 1824. The Mexican government quasi governed CA, NM, TX for barely 25 years. Chihuahuans, Sonorans or any other south of the borderians ancestors were not rooted in anyplace USA. They migrated north after USA westward movement to US border areas approx 1880s. CA or SW are not ancestrally Mexico which was just a Johnnie come late to the far north after 1824.
It was Mexican government officials who transplanted north after Mexican independence, not Chihuahuans, Sonorans or any other south of the borderians. In fact there were no Mexicans in CA, NM or TX to battle the Americans 1846. And the northern tribes, Navajo, Apache, Kiowa, Piaut, Pueblo, Comanche, Caddo, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave plus many other tribes, owners of the lands never acknowledged Mexico in their inherent lands and never identified as Mexican. The descendants of Spanish colonists in CA, NM, TX stayed in the homeland under GH Treaty as US citizens. Many tribes still live on their lands considered sovereign lands in the USA.
Today's Mexico is comprised of Spains lands which grew over decades by Spains explorations and land claimes to become many territories in New Spain. It was Spain who opened up to the very far north barren wilderness by ships and horses and European advanced weapons. And encountered hundreds of enemy tribes who were never one people or one world. There is no Russia, Ukraine similarities. Totally different scenario.
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Trump can hold his own, physically, mentally, brilliantly. No one tells Trump what to say or do. Biden on the other hand is told what to do and say, or he'll be in trouble, says Biden. Biden has to be led, can't find the toilet, picked up when he falls on stage, mentally lost, not in the present, wanders off and can't give a decent speech much less lead the free world. He's lost.
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@cherryvapra6389 I never said Santa Ana was a traitor, but he had dirty hands. Corrupt. You admit to Mexico loosing the War, history records it as a United States conquest. The United States was pretty decent towards Mexico for all it's wickedness. As a stronger nation, the US conquered all of Mexico, occupied Mexico City and gave Mexico back some of its territories, the heartland. Not bad deal for Mexico, Mexico could have ended up landless. The United States could have taken all of Mexico, but only took CA, NM, TX. Nations make negotiations and this is what the U.S. and MX got to business with between both nations, the border was moved, the population living from California to Texas were protected under the Treaty of Hidalgo to become U.S. citizens and there was no mention in the Treaty or other documents that lands were stolen. In fact fifteen million dollars were paid for the SW as part of the negotiations. The U.S. did not need to pay $$ for its conquest of the young nation of MX, which was senseless to the SW Indians, as they knew the lands were not inherently Mexico's. A few years later Mexico earned another ten million dollars off the United States for the Gadson Purchase. Stolen lands is a fabrication, it's only in the mind of those who twist historical events.... So Mexico made out pretty good for lands not historically but barely Mexican for a few years. . The other states were parts of these territories and were never colonized by Spain or Mexico. The United States annexed the isolated northern 700,000 sq miles of worthless wilderness with thousands of unconquered Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Yaqui who hated and were at war with Mexico, The lands belonged to these Indians plus many other tribes in California and further north. The lands had belonged to Spain because the Spanish were the first to explore and claimed these lands for Spain 1550. Other lands were claimed by Great Britian and France. Spain colonized it's claim to guard the other countries from encroachment in their claim including Russia. Mexico was. Johnny come late to the SW after 1824, which any SW Indian knows as the lands were indigenous to the distant northern Tribes; Mexico was a foreigner to the northern lands. The Apache and Comanche battled fiercely with Mexico, raided and pillaged Chihuahua; even the northern New Mexico Spanish, Santa Fe, Taos, Socorro refused to ally with the Mexican military to fight the Comanchies. The Colonists of Spanish descent rebelled against the Mexican Goverenment officials who came north for the first time which was after Mexican independence. In fact Mexico only claimed the SW for a brief 25 years, which it acquired 1824 by a stroke of luck. Spain had given up Florida and Louisiana and allowed Americans to settle Texas with land grants. Had Spain also sold CA, NM, TX to the United States , Mexico would never have claimed the lands. By 1800 Spain had it's problems in America and Europe and too much land in parts of New Spain to finance and control. Americans are inclusive of all citizens from different countries in the American continent. The Indians living on the continent before the 14th century were not American as "America" got its name, not from Indian's, but Europeans. In fact, it was the European who identified as American before the Indians. Indians may have lived in the continent from Canada to Argentina, but were not indigenous to all parts of the continent, in fact were not indigenous at all as they migrated from Asia. Indians had their own geography and tribes separated by hundreds and hundreds of miles of impassible mountains, rough terrain, rivers, villages, deserts, lakes, plains, a sea of Cortez, and enemy tribes; a different world from one another, were nomads, displaced and slaved tribes, cannabolized, and bitter enemies to one another in a nameless continent... They had no central government and and no concept of ownership. Didn't know of the existence of tribes thousands of miles away. Yes they are American today, along with other ethnicity's after colonization by Europeans .Oh,by the way SW Indians, Apache, Navajo, Chumash, Shasta, Pueblo, Comanche, Pawnee, Kiowa, Yaqui, plus many more; and descendants of Spanish colonists still live in their native homelands in the USA, protected under the Hidalgo Treaty. These Indians are tribes of sovereign nations under the U.S. feds. Nothing was stolen from Mexico. Some Mexicans tell the story as they wish it to be, then there are the fools that believe them.... Lol...
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El Agua is Vida---The Rio Grande River tributaries never sustained what is today Mexico. It's poops out in the outer edges of Chihuahua. The Rio Grande, el Rio del Norte was never a part of Mexico's tribes who rely on water for survival.... plus they were all constantly at wars with each other. "Mexico" first attempt at independence, its 1815 first constitution does not include California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas. These states were not involved in the political dynamics between Spain and those New Spain territories in what is today central Mexico. Mexico's 1824 constitution claimed the SW, but they were unincorporated into Mexicos main, it's heart and core. Mexico did not send settlers to the far north isolated wilderness provinces after independence, no infrastructure, failed to send militia to support the Spanish colonizers against Indian raids, or attempt to conquer the many unconquered tribes. Mexico did force Mexican citizenship and tax its subjects heavily. 25 years, Mexican Period does not make the population Mexican ( except for that period 1821 - 1846), Spanish, Indian or Anglo...Many were unpatriotic, the Spanish colonizers easily took to Americanization. And these states were destined for US lands, given that Spain hadclaimed these isolated lands and barely financed, which really served as distant northern outposts to ward off France and Russia. Spain never able to make roadways from the west to Louisiana because of the feared Texas Comanche. After the dust settled after 250 years, these lands were way up in the border US latitude, out in the middle of nowhere and ready for US takeover. In fact prior to Mexican independence, Spain was negotiating with M Austin for American land grant settlements in Texas, the same lands that had been strictly guarded by Spain for over two centuries against foreign intrusion, was opening up. Spain was aware of American westward movement and its neglected isolated northern territories. So who knows, if not for independence, with Spain no longer the world power or former deep pockets, who knows what negotiations Spain and the US would have agreed for land transfers. Factually, the provinces were not historically Mexico.
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barbaramonahan4801. Trump has earned the world's respect, unlike Biden. Trump traveled the world with all its time zones, willing and ready and wide awake to answer dozens of questions for hours on stage, without a prepared script or follow orders from anyone backstage. Trump projected strength and leadership for the American people and stood for freedom of speech, right to bear arms, non - dictorial, protected our sovereign borders, strengthened our military, was a world negotiator and kept his promises to Americans, just a few of his accomplishments as President . Was never under investigation for corrupt crimes as Biden currently is. Trump never aspired for a banana republic in the USA like Biden. If you are unaware of Biden lies and disservice to the American "we the people," you must be hiding under a rock.... shame, shame...
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Just a quick historical overview. It's not odd, it's misinformation. Southwest and Californios are not historically Mexico, as there was no Mexico or Mexican until 1824. SW history is 250 years--Spanish Colonial Period; and only 26 years Mexican Period during which typical Sonorans or Sinaloans or any one south of there did not typically colonize California, it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north. After 1848, was the American Period and California statehood. Mexican are immigrants to California, their ancestral roots are south of the border. Migration began with the prosperous United States to their north after the Mexican War approx 1880s. They are immigrants.
Historical owners is history revionist propaganda. Keep in mind not to conflate Spanish colonists in the California homeland under Spains Spanish Colonial Periods rule ending in 1821, these colonists are protected US citizenship under the Treaty of G Hilalgo 1848 and non immigrants to the USA. South of the border Mexicans migrated to US border areas after 1880s. Also US indigenous northern tribes never acknowledged Mexico or Mexican in their inherent lands--Comanche, Navajo, Ute, Mohave. Shasta , Kiowa, Piaut , etc hundreds more. These have never identified as Mexican and never will..... Mexicans don't have a leg to stand on or justification when they hear these were not their tribes ancestral lands. The 1910 Mexican Revolution brought many, and deportation sent many back 1950s. 1960s Immigration Act brought millions and turn of 20th century open borders brought millions more illegally...
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Cannot recover what was not yours to begin with. Unless you are indigenous Navaho, Comanche, Ute, Pueblo, Piaute, Shasta, Chumash, Apache, Kiowa, Pawnee, Mohave and hundreds other northern tribe's the lands were never yours. There was no Mexico until 1824. Mexico quasi governed the SW for barely 25 years. And during that time 1824-1846, those mestizo from Chihuahua or Sinaloans or anywhere south never migrated north. Mexicans migrated to border areas approx 1880. And their ancestral roots are not in the SW... historically these are mestizo, not latino.
Latino/Hispanic are United States Census Bureau labels promoted by Mexican American immigrants.
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@metalguard4202 Latin in the first place is European by origin, same as Hispano. The terms Hispanic and latino were introduced by the United States Census Bureau in the 1970s to categorize persons from Spanish speaking countries, as Hispanic classification, regardless of if or not , of Spanish blood, CB later included Latino. This was US government policy, not a self ethnic identity. So one could be primarily Indian or completely Indian if from a Latin country and labeled Hispanic/Latino, not of Spanish descent. The US government errously labeling an artificial identity, caused much confusion and unacceptable by many. These were terms rarely in use in the United States for four decades after the 70s because it was unacceptable to many, was untraditional-folks identified by country of origin and opposed lumping all to one group, and there weren't many US Americans of Spanish descent at that time in the USA. Mexicans historically didn't refer to themselves as latino or Hispanic , a USA classification until the 21st century. About 2000, 20 years ago with mass Mexican migration into the United States, "Hispanic" was suddenly popularized by politicians and media and Americans began to equate Hispanic to Mexican. Yet, Latin Americans entering the United States didn't even know they were Hispanic or Latino, which were unknown terms outside the USA. And learned to accept these identities with all the USA government programs thay were entitled to. In fact many still insist they are Mexican, period! good for them. As many Latin America proudly identify to their country of origin. The only connection for Hispanic/ Latino is the Spanish language as these are diverse in origin, country and culture and many don't even speak Spanish or are not accultured in that ethnic world, except for a Spanish surname. And if in the USA would be as American as apple pie ...
As far as Mexico, 1519 European arrival, the Spanish first encounter was what they named Vera Cruz, it was not "Mexico". Cortez traveled further inland and encountered the mexica Aztec tribes in Tenochtitlan, which Spain renamed Mexico City after the "mexica" Aztec, this being the valley of Mexico Aztec and that's the extent of Mexico the Spanish found. Montezumas mexica Aztec reign was limited to Tenochtitlan. From Mexico City, Spain explored many lands in all directions by land and sea, encountered many tribes, who were not "mexica" Aztec, did not live on or were from mexica lands, nor were the tribes one nation or one people., in fact enemies. Claimed for Spain, each as its own separate New Spain territory. Mexico City was logically within the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, surrounded by Kingdom of Yucatan Territory, Kingdom of Galacia Territory, Kingdom of Estramadura Territory, and many others territories outlined in any New Spain map prior to 1821. After three decades, Spains explorations reached the very distant lands, claimed them for Spain, and named Kingdoms of California, New Mexico, Texas , about 1550. Simultaneously there were other Spanish explorations from the Atlantic, and Spains claims were Florida to Louisiana. So New Spain by explorations was very far and wide to include Cuba, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans, Pacific Coast to Canada, plus. There were hundreds of tribes a few miles or thousands of miles away from other tribes in New Spain, barely a fraction were mexica Aztec. All territories were separate, identified by its European named territory in la Nueva España/New Spain, but there was no country of Mexico. Spains caste system was Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. But no Mexican. After 300 years, Mexico's claimed independence 1821, under its 1824 constitution of Estados Unidos Mexicanos it identified its states and provinces it claimed. So it was in 1824 these became Mexico, its citizens were mandated Mexican citizenship under the constitution. In fact upon Mexico's first claim to independence 1814, under the Apatzingan constitution; California, New Mexico (which included Arizona), and Texas were not Mexico.
The 1824 NM, CA, TX provinces were claimed on paper by Mexico, but were quasi governed by Mexico and Mexico was not necessarily accepted in Central America or the SW. Mexico did not inherit its lands from Spain as Spains King did not acknowledge independence, so there never was a transfer Treaty. It was only Mexican officials who transplanted to the SW during the 25 years Mexican Period; typical Chihuahuans or Sonarans or south of there didn't migrate till USA westward movement and Mexico's lost war. There was barely a Mexican in California, New Mexico or Texas to battle Americans and Mexico imported Americans to Texas under land grants because it was a vast unpopulated land needing to ward off the Comanche with just a handful of Spanish settlers who many sided with America. By the way, the Apache were nomad tribe's who ended up in today's border areas from the far north right about the time of Spaniard Coronados expedition all the way to Kansas about 1550. The Navaho and Apache are a similar root language to tribes in Canada, same as many California tribes. The Tarahumara and Apache were too far south and had little contact with SW Spanish Colonial settlers who were hundreds of miles to the north.
The northern territories, today's SW. There was little mixture between the Spanish and Indian as the tribes were unconquered with little Spanish contact except for the Pueblo tribes. The SW populations were Spanish Colonial settlers, majority who colonized along Pueblo lands, historically the SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598 -1821 and far removed from other parts of New Spain. Isolated by distance, geography, tribes, culture, politics, history, peoples and was never a mestizo culture. Spanish and Indian lived apart, majority indigenous unconquered and lived hundreds miles away from the Spanish, there may have mixed blood but did not merge into a mestizo culture. The SW is not ancestrally Mexico and 25 years does not make a Mexican. These remained in the SW centuries homeland under the Treaty of Hidalgo to become USA citizens.
After 1776 the English colonies became the United States, some of Spains territories became Mexico 1824. Florida was treatied to the USA and Louisiana was transferred to France. In fact Texas had been French territory, "Texas" name was taken from Louisiana Caddo tribes. After the Mex War, The SW was annexed and Mexico was party to 25 million dollars transactions under treaties. So that's how the world works; land disputes, wars, conquest, nation, borders, treaties. Since civilizations began, the human psyche has an an inborn law, victor takes the spoils. Mexico is not an exception. You should be well aware if you have tribal blood that stronger tribes have wiped out weaker tribes, taken slaves, , resources, and land for centuries... And as many tribes were nomadic warriors, they were where they happened to be upon Spanish contact. Who knows where they'd be today if not for Spain... one thing for sure, not todays Mexico, as it was Spain who opened the door for a Mexico and much of the USA.
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Regardless of fortunate Black slave owners, 1400s Africa was selling their own natives to Europeans. Slavery was big business and was not born in America. Slavery is ancient centuries before European set foot in America, as slavery was standard to Amerindians. These wokes are anti American, wake up you racists. Black Moores invaded Spain by 700AD, and held southern Spain for 700 years, Spain is prominently influenced by Arabs. And today's Mexico, Caribbeans, Central and South Americans, Phillipines, Pacific Coast, today's SW all the way to Florida is Spanish America, 10th grade history. So these liberals did go to college to be Socialist indoctrinated, not American history educated. Snowflakes lol...
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@hr-g4640 Genocide, they were never wiped out, not anymore then when they genocided each other before European contact. American Indians never had it so good. Sovereign lands, reparations , protected under US federal laws, and outrageous millions of dollars annually awarded to tribes by Uncle Sam. But now-a- days they glorify themselves. Not a wonder, politics, the rich, museums, arts, and Hollywood also glorify them, putting then up on some imaginary pedestal. There are exceptions. After all, they're just people whose ancestors were no more abused then those from Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East, etc. But wicked US American government has helped then out enormously. Truth is they'd never go back to the stone age where they actually had to hunt to survive....
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Actually there were no south of the border setters in today's SW until the 1800s. Mexico was a Johnny come late in SW history arriving during the 25 year SW Mexican Period starting in 1821 at the same time Anglo Americans began setting SW also. During this Period, the Mexican government brought in American settlers to Texas because the only population were a few Spanish Colonial Settlers from the Spanish Colonial Period from the Canary Islands, and Louisiana border which Spain relocated also to San Antonio. During the Mexican Period, Mexicos government was in dire need of a population bringing in Americans as land grant settlers. The Santa Fe Trail brought in American settlers from Missouri opening up trade into the SW along with American mountain men fur traders. American settlers claimed California during the Mexican Period; as well as California Russian claims a couple of centuries earlier. This lead Spain to settle California in late 1770. It was basically Mexican government officials who came north after 1821, met with resistance by Spanish Colonial Settlers during the 25 year Mexican Period-- the SW didn't participate with Mexico City for independence from Spain. Mexican officials left SW 1848 after American conquest beginning the SW American or US Territorial Period. The SW was a very distant northern wilderness desert with dangerous living conditions. Spain never conquered the northern tribes, so unconquered northern tribes roamed, attacking other tribes, Spanish Colonial villages, and anyone in sight. The established 1848 US/ Mexico border was out in the middle of nowhere wilderness. American government subjugated the northern tribes about 1880, following subjugation, south of the borderans Chihuahuans and others began migration north to border areas establishing Mexican border towns with the arrival of the American westward movement, looking only north from then on. The Mexican Revolution, trains brought more Mexicans further into the USA. Mexicans don't have ancestral roots in the USA, they're roots are in today's Mexico. They are as immigrant to the USA as anyone else unless they are Navaho, Ute, Comanche, Kiowa, Piute, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Cheyenne, Apache, Pueblo, or of any other northern tribes which never, still don't know themselves as Mexican.
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The native USA tribes never had it as so good. The Apache, Navajo, Ute, Comanche Piaut, Kiowa, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, plus hundreds more northern tribes never were Mexican and today tribes receive ridiculous amounts of USA Federal funding annually, reparations, protected under Indian Laws in there sovereign lands with commercial enterprise, of which if they default the US feds will come to the rescue.
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You still speak Spanish simply because of immigration from Latin America the last 50 years. The Americans from the Spanish heritage in the US since Territorial or Statehood Period 1848, adapted to English and by the 20th century, say mid 1900s folks knew English, were Americaized, schools and businesses were conducted in English, no translators. Most socialized to Anglo culture. Though older and some still speak Spanish but not so common. Same as the Indian tribes, who spoke the native tongue 25 years ago , today is a thing of the past. It's rarely heard anymore, and no immigration Indian tribes to revive. Same with French in Louisiana , Frence is a dying language, no hordes of French immigrants to revive the language...
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Overrating Biden is totally ridiculous. But there are those who are ridiculously ridiculous. Imagine voting for a guy who at presidential events turns this way, then that way and looks like he wandered from the nursing home. These bird brains are not paying attention to the real Biden, they are too busy watching soap operas, CNN, NBC, local news, reading biased liberal newspapers or giving their money to casinos, socializing at the senior club. Too never know how deceptive Democrat's are or care that Biden mumbles incoherently, stumbles on stage and stairs, puts illegal migrants, criminals before their tiny little social security checks.
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what is today Mexico was part of Spains Empire, much of it New Spain except for South America starting early 1500s. The Mexican Empire 1821 lasted only 2 years, followed by the Republic of Mexico 1824. Under the Apatzingan constitution 1814 California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. In fact these New Spain Territories did not participate with Hidalgos revolutions against Spain or Mexico City's political dynamics and battles against Spain. Spain never acknowledged Mexican independence, Spains king did not sign the Treaty of Cordova. Mexico stole Spains lands.....Mexico battled Spain for another decade and failed claiming Cuba and Spains waters. Upon Mexico's 1824 constitution, the SW are not States, rather provinces. Mexico claimed what was left in north America after Spain relinquished Louisiana and Florida. Today's SW never really embraced Mexico as the sovereign. The northern tribes as Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Chumash, Karenkara, Piute, Cheyenne, Keres, Tewa, Shasta,Mohave, Caddo, Kiowa, plus many more; never knew themselves as Mexican and innately knew their lands which were not in Mexico. Some as the Comanche and Kiowa bitterly hated Mexico and attacked Sonora and Sinaloa leaving mines, ranches, villages in shreds. The Mexican Empire failed and the Republic of Mexico was unable to hold its own or rather what it stole from Spain. What is today Mexico is lands returned by the USA after conquering Mexico under the Treaty of GH. The USA was in position to keep All of Mexico, but didn't. The USA was interested in California to Texas, Manifest Destiny.
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Covid was the crisis, not Trump. Trump addressed covid as soon as it became apparent-- stopped world travel, implemented a covid task force -- meeting daily to adress issues, pushed the vaccine before Biden came into office and more people died under Biden than Trump. Harris after four years has not irradiated covid as promised by Harris Biden. Plus Harris forced vaccines, disregarded freedom rights to our own bodies, suppressed free speech on covid, closed schools, churches, small businesses and paid Americans to stay home. So this is another Democrat/Harris lie on Trump. Reportedly, covid was planted by a Chinese lab, funded by US dollars, Democrat Liberal Fauci was behind the crisis as was later revealed. Hmmmm....
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Nada robado. Mexico, nacion desde 1824 por su constiucion, Estados Unidos Mexicano's, 25 anos despues, perdio la Guerra Mexicana/Estados Unidos. Por El Tratado Hidalgo negociaciones, Los Estados Unidos pagaron $15,000,000 por territorios de SW, y despues $10,000,000 por Gadson Purchase. Mexico reclamo Los territorios SW resultado de indepencia de Espana. Los reclamo por nomas 25 anos y territorios no eran historias de Mexico. Eras historias de Espana, terrotorios parte de Nueva Espana por 272 anos.
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@carlosalbertoesquivels8724 Es mentira que era El Trato de fuerza. Los Estados Unidos conquisto todo Mexico, hasta la bandera de Estados Unidos 🇺🇸 volo sobre Cuidad Mexico y todas las tierras eras ganado de Estados Unidos y los Americanos ocupado la cuidad. Que fuerte de Mexico que Estados Unidos les devolver parte las tierra. Asi las guerras del mundo, ganado o perdido, nos gusta o no. Tu ni has leido el Trato, ni sabes la historias. Ganan nada, Mexicanos entran a Estados Unidos, no de fuerza. Entran de corrupta de politico de Democrats Liberals que los dejan entrad por su voto. Si no los querian, no entradan. Y pueden deporta, comp antes. No estan aqui de las leyes de immigrante de Estados Unidos. Estados Unidos no es lo que era, immigrantes de todo El mundo, no nomas Mexicano's estan aqui ilegal, y estara tierra de todos del mundo, no nomas Mexicano's. El mundo no es como antes, politica corrupta con prevacion en todo el mundo. No ai utopia como piensan. Pero los suenos son muy bonitos...
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@carlosalbertoesquivels8724 me esta cortando comments El YouTube por verdaderas. No escibo espanol pero conosco historias de SW. Y escibo espanol mejor que usted escriba Ingles. Muchos Mexicano's respetan USA y saben que nacion de Mexico, de dia uno era govierno corupta, dictatora, robo tierras de Indio, tantas revolucions internas que deuda USA y en mas tiempo deuda a France, Britian y Espana. Abuso la gente aunque era govierno republico de la gente. Otros Mexicano's lloran todo de Americanos y andan ayi con quejadas de USA. Mexico empezo la guerra, pero ay unos que dicen era guerra de injusticia y falsedades y andan alli con estorias falsos de tierras robadas y nunca see llenan de falsos de Estados Unidos. La verdad es que Mexico comenso la guerra que no estaba preparada de peliar, tontos; Americanos tenian mas mejor pistolas, govieno, militario, y estrategia. Mexico tenia Santa Anna, que lastima. Y lloran por sus tonteras y qieren culpar Estados Unidos por todos sus enfermidades. Sinverguenzas...
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@carlosalbertoesquivels8724 Otro falsedades. Los origenes no son Mexicano. Mexico era "Johnny come late" to the SW. -- O Juanito vino tarde al SW. Lo que es hoy Mexico, le robaron de Espana; es como ven las cosas de tierras y guerra, los avusados radicales liberales. De verdad, Nueva Espana de territorio Cuidad Mexico, fue a guerra con Espana. Los territorios SW eran de Espana por 275 anos. Y nomas 25 anos de Mexico. Si lo ves asi, de robado, Espana, de derecho es el dueno de las territorios, no Mexico. Mexico era otro epoco, otro govierno, otro politico;. Mexico nunca el gran poder de Espana. Con guerra y indepencia Mexico fue separado de Espana y Espana se reparto de que es hoy Mexico, y no llora Espana por perded la tierra en guerra, no ay esusas falsos. Como lo mismo, Mexico sin historias de mas de dos centuras en SW, perdio guerra por sus mismos tonteras y perdio las tierras SW de nomas 25 years. Mexico perdieron las tierras, como mismo Espana perdio las tierras, no mas son duenos, unos Mexicano's son llorones con reclamas de falsedades. Unos Mexicano's hacen muchicimo de 25 anos, que nomas se les fue el SW de volado. Es lo mismo que si Espana viene a reclama Florida o Louisiana, y reclamar falsos de Treaties de esos dias. O de France reclama todos los territorios de Louisiana como eran de France. Tonteras de falsedades. Ai Guerras, Tratados, Independencia, Compra de tierras, y Cambio de frontera, todos aceptaro en historias de tierras. Nomas los Liberales revionistas de la historias cambiando la historia con escusas de... eran de.....
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Recovered. No way. This was Navaho, Comanche, Ute, Mohave, Apache, Piaut, Kiowa, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo land. They are still in the USA and sovereign nations. Mexicans were never FROM north of the border. Mexicans are immigrants to anywhere USA. Mexico back in 1821 claimed the northern territories and never settled the isolated distant wilderness from 1821 to 1846. The northern territories were not even claimed by quasi Mexico in its first attempt to independence, the 1815 first constitution never documented California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas, they were not Mexico by the Mexican constitution.......These New Spain provinces a world away, were never involved with the other New Spain, Mexican City and those territories in its battles or fight Spain for a new Republic of Mexico. After the semi official independence of 1821, Mexico didn't control the far, thousand miles away wilderness northern territories, they were in the middle of nowhere bordering the US. Mexicans were only interested in the far north after USA Americanization, migrating to border areas after the Mexican War about 1880. And fled Pancho Villa during the 1910 revolution. Had there not been a USA, Mexicans would've migrated south... as up north, was a barren uninhabitable desert with thousands of unconquered warrior Indians who attacked any and every one except for their tribe. Mexico wasn't even totally independence from Europe until after the war 1860 and had no help from Europe, still a quasi nation in diapers. Recover, now that's a fabrication, can't recover what was not yours to begin with...
Nothing stolen. It was a land dispute, War-- blood on both sides, conquest, US occupation, Treaties with agreement to return half of Mexicos land, a border with annexed lands, 25 million dollars in Mexicos pocket, and Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos citizens who were already there some since 1598 were granted USA citizenship. No loss. Many tribes and Spanish settlers still live in what were their lands prior to the Mexican War and no one is claiming or crying over 25 years under the Mexican goverenment. There is no comparison to Russia, Ukraine. It was all Russia for thousands of centuries. History 101. Let's get real....
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@ericmatthews8497 Matthew 7:23. In fact rea d all of Matthew. God hates those who break laws. In fact these migrants are not in need. They are obviously not malnourished and dress as well as the average American. They pay evil cartels thousands of dollars to cross illegally. Migrants desire to take what doesn't belong to them, making themselves thieves, deciding against legal US immigration law and process. Many are criminals, terrorists and will vote in the USA, illegally abusing constitution law. As they are invaders of sovereign soil having no respect for the laws of the land. They may fool your ignorance, but they don't fool God.
It's the political Democrats and followers who have sold their soul to the devil. Breaking constitutional law over illegal activity failing to abide to the rule of law. Illegal crossing involves criminal activity, human trafficking to the extent of children, rape, death, evil cartels who are making millons of dollars and its Democrat politicians who are in on crimes. The prize on all this crime is not for the migrants. The big prize is for the cartels. And Democrat's evil trickery of humanity in the illegal votes they desperately need from illegal migration, on election day to keep them in power to rule with money over flowing into their pockets to control the USA, eliminate the Republicans and enslave the poor. The devil works in many ways... the signs are there for the picking of your choice.... Christians? go figure... It's Republicans who are upholding the law, protecting our borders, constitution, democracy and citizens.
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Don't count on laughing hyena Harris and jumping jack Walz. They haven't yet had the guts to do any interviews or face a press conference. Or yet done a debate. Trump and Vance are facing the nation, have done several interviews and are ready for three debate so far, Harris wants only one. The Convention was all teleprompter pretty talk, prepared speeches, that's all. Oh, lots of lies about Trump to scare Americans. Democrats will vote Mickey Mouse for president, no kidding, they voted a senile Biden, the political bosses got rid of once the donations stopped after Americans found out the political bosses open secret with Biden letting the cat out of the bag on that disastrous debate...he revealed to American he was not in control of his faculties. Of course, many Americans, Republicans, plus many others the world over , were fully aware of Democrat lies.
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Some people are really dumb. Republicans are exposing what is really going on, by eye witnesses, border patrol, cameras, border land owners. Something the Democrat's media CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC keep from the people. Trump was right, the media is the enemy of the people. Thank FOX, internet, social media, radio and Republicans for bringing us the real news which most Democrat's are totally blind to.
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Follow the money. They became rich over the years thru Bidens political influence. Reportedly money laundering. Jill loves the political limelight and wanted a second term first lady no matter the humiliation. By now all America and the world knows of the DC and Democrat media " open secret" nobody talked about but everyone knew, covering up Joe's mental incompetence to run the nation. And the corrupt Democrat political machine abused Americans and the Constitution, by not invoking the 25th Amendment on a president plainly displaying mental decline. Democrats have no integrity towards America and are plainly destroying the Republic. Currently there is no leadership, no message. Just spreading lies on taxes, economy, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, stock market, criminals, border issues, etc., you can call it a Trump hate epidemic spread by radical left wing woke liberals with no common sense. In fact, they have no clue what they are protesting except that it's cancel culture related.
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Why, how did you suffer from his presidency four years ago. Gasoline was $1.88. Everything was significantly cheaper from groceries to insurance, homes, percentage rates. Trump was strong and protected Americans interests --he was no dictator, created no wars, negotiated with Mexico and world leaders earning respect throughout the world. Built a wall to protect our borders and peoples. Had a a great economy , built the military, and was instrumental in assuring a vaccine for covid just for stsrters,,, Democrat's are liars and will destroy him anyway they can. They do nothing for we, the people, rather they are self-serving con artists.
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@drfunny5355 Democrat media is propaganda. Suppressing Trump truths and covering up Harris lies. Propaganda such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS spread Trump hate and lies daily, with an obvious biased debate platform. While covering up Biden and Harris lies and incompetence, and interviews with Harris were biased, edited, and no strong punches. Till she interviewed with FOX, 17 minutes intentionally late, lied and blamed Trump, lied about her accomplishments and put on the spot-- 79% Americans feel Harris is on the wrong track. She deflects, blames, and is no good for America.
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As there was no Mexico until 1821, thus there was no Mexican until 1824, under the 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution which claimed the SW as Mexico. Prior to 1821 Mexican independence, SW settlers and settlements were Spanish Colonial Settlers under the SW Spanish Colonial Period of approximately 250 years. California was late settlers 1770s under Spain because of Russian threats to Spains claims and dangerous warrior Indians. California Territory part of New Spain predates Mexico , so your family would have been a New Spain Californio from the Territory of California. Genealogical Catholic records do not record Mexican or Mexico. They record born, died, married in Spain, or towns in New Spain, Territories in New Spain; listed as Español, or mestizo. Folks were subjects of Spain. After Mexican independence it was basically Mexican government officials who headed north during the brief 25 years Mexican Period. Californios, nuevomexicanos, or tejanos didn't join Hidalgo or Mexico City for Mexican independence. Mexican isn't a race or ethnicity, it's a citizenship from Mexico, a melting pot of Natives, Europeans, Asians, Africans, Middle East-plus.... just like other young nation in the America's starting in 1776 with the USA.
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Rightful nothing. Tell that to Navaho, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Piaut, Kiowa, Apache Shasta, Chumash etc tribes. In fact the Comanche, Apache a n d Kiowa raided, pillaged ranches and mines in Sonora, Chihuahua, Sinaloa, scalped and killed hundreds. California and SW were rightful lands to Nuevomexicanos, Californios, Tejanos. In fact Nuevomexicanos refused the Mexican government to ally against the Comanche, and all those people in Chihuahua, Durango, Sonora were never from the SW, they migrated after the War..
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@TheMostIntelligentAlive777 SW has a long history of over 500 years . Claimed by Spain, Russia and France, depending on which Territory in New Spain. War and conquest have been in the making worldwide centuries before there was ever a USA, Mexico, or Canada in North America of which belonged to nobody for centuries before humans migrated from Asia or other continents. America was never God given lands. Land claims was tribes warring with tribes and later Europeans .
The SW is not historically Mexico, Mexico a Johnnie come late in SW history after 1821. In fact, under Mexicos first Apatzingan Constitution, California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas are not in Mexico. These Territories under Spain never participated with Mexico City or Hidalgo in their political dynamics or 10 year battles with Spain for independence.
Under Mexicos 1824 Constitution, Estados Unidos Mexicanos , the Republic of Mexico claimed these northern lands in New Spain left over Territories after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana.
South of the borderans do not have ancestral roots in anywhere USA. After 1821 SW Mexican Period it was Mexican government officials who went to the very distant northern wilderness desert meeting resistance. Mexicans began migration to border areas establishing Mexican border towns approx 1880 after the Mexican War. So Mexico cannot take back was was never theirs to begin with. In fact Spains monarch never signed the Treaty of Cordova, Spain never Treaty'd any lands to Mexico. Mexico just took the lands belonging to Spain.
SW populations in 1848 never cried over the USA conquest. Becoming USA citizens. So why are you crying.
Furthermore northern tribes as Comanche, Apache, Kiowa, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Cheyenne and hundreds other tribes aren't crying either, they never knew themselves as Mexican , never will, they inherently know their lands which were never American or Mexican until later in history.
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@colbyjackprod s an all out war, started by Mexico over a land dispute. Blood was shed on both sides. Nothing new under the sun, wars have been human nature for centuries, winner takes the spoils. Regardless, Mexico was paid fifteen million dollars upon both nations signing the Treaty and five years later, Mexico was paid another ten million dollars, Gadson Purchase. Stealing is radical left woke culture, history revionist propaganda. Additionally, the annexed lands weren't historically Mexico which was just barely a nation in 1846. The lands historically were Spains lands taken by conflicts and battles 25 years earlier by Mexico. California, New Mexico/Arizona or Texas never did get involved in New Spains (to become Mexico) conflicts or independence. In fact, upon Mexicos first attempt at independence 1814, these territories were not included in Mexicos first constitution. New Spain was many Territories far and wide. Not all were culturally linked to today's Mexico. Different geography, tribes, politics, cultures and histories. Mexico 1821 was a Johnnie come late to the far north. Many make a mountain of a mole hill, 25 years. These SW states never did cry over Mexico. And the northern tribes never acknowledged Mexico. Let's get real...
Additionally nothing was taken. Upon the signing of the H Treaty, Mexicans still lived in the same lands as their ancestors had for a couple of centuries, Chihuahua and Sonora. Spain barely populated Texas with Canary Island Spanish colonists 1700s. These allied with Texans in the fight for Texas independence. Those Chihuahua folks never were connected to Texas, are still in Chihuahua. They still have their language, culture etc. Mexico 1821 needed a population out in the wilderness Texas, as Mexicans did not colonize the far isolated north desert after independence. Americans settled Texas by land grants initiated by Spain before independence and Mexico later were granted the land. Mexicans migrated north to border areas after the Mexican War. Had the United States not gained the west, Mexicans would still be in Mexico. In fact, the Rio Grande tributaries never did sustain what is Mexico today, the waters barely reachChihuahua. Water for centuries sustains life for its peoples.
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You have Trump mixed up with Biden... Bidens the one who can barely walk, can't find his way off the stage if he doesn't fall, stumbles on stairs and falls on Airforce One, shakes hands with nobody, inappropriately makes sign of cross, falls asleep at events, doesn't know who he's talking to or where he's at, mumbles incoherent so called speeches, and half the time appears like he wandered away from the nursing home. What a disgrace to America.
Wow, Trump 2024. He can stand for hours, speak his mind, picture of strength and health. Can hold his own. A true patriot. Stands for Americans.
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Same for what is the United States SW, unconquered Indians with sparse Spanish colonial settlers, in far northern remote and isolated wilderness territories, California, New Mexico /Arizona, Texas. Spain claimed for over 250 years, Mexico claimed for 25 years, neither never conquered the indigenous Indians ot their lands. The Indians were conquered by the USA, today proud US Americans. The exception was the central and northern New Mexico Pueblo tribes who never merged with the Spanish to form a mestizo culture. They each practiced there own religion, spoke their own language, and preserved their own culture, lived in separate villages.
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@aiepochal8092 You are speaking as if American natives were the first ever to experience atrocities. Atrocities have existed since time began throughout the globe. Amerindians are not native to America, in fact are migrants from Asia and other and as much Europeanized as they are native. Let's just all go back to where we originated. Historical events throughout centuries is what makes us who and where we are today, no going back. Most of us are a mix of different cultures, including Amerindians. Many older generation Amerindians don't have a problem with Americanization and don't relate to life 500 years ago. It's the younger indoctrinated generations Amerindians, cancel culture woke indigenous activists making all the noise. Many are mixed blood, but deny their European blood, hypocritical. Revising a history they are uninformed about. I know this because I have experienced first hand on activists hatred for colonization, and lack of historical knowledge, take advantage and give themselves credit for what the European has provided them, advantages they could not exists without. In fact , Amerindians took total advantage of European introductions four, five centuries ago - horses, guns, language, tribal government, money, European land grants, treaties, cattle, education, schools, arts, Christianity, etc. Many are great, while others are not. They are people like you, me and everyone else, nothing special. Let's just all get along this 21st century. USA indigenous have been provided reparations, are proud USA Americans, are protected class since 1800s and protected under Federal Indian Law, their lands are Sovereign, tribes are awarded millions of federal funding annually, they are a very proud heritage wouldn't trade places with any other nation; and no one is trying to take anything from them. They are well respected. Where I come from we're cousins and friends and share an allied history. And its typically radical liberal racist outsiders creating trouble and divisions. Amerindians are no greater in God's eyes than any another as the earth really belongs to God. And will one day be returned to God.
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1598 to 1821 was the SW Spanish Colonial Period starting in New Mexico/Arizona , Texas and then California. Arizona, part of New Mexico was not colonized. The colonists and towns were established by Spain as well as the settlers during a time when there was no Mexico or Mexican in what was know as New Spain comprised of many territories. It's easy enough to refer to a New Spain map prior to 1821 on the territories far and wide, claimed by Spain after decades of exploration, including Cuba, Phillipines, Caribbeans, when there was no Mexico in the 1500s. Spains caste system in New Spain were Peninsulares ( born in Spain), crillos ( children of Peninsulares born in America), mestizo ( mixed Spanish and Indian equal to metis born of French or English and Indian), Indian ( indigenous) and mulatto ( mixed Black). But no Mexican. So the colonizers in California, New Mexico, Texas were of Spains caste system not Mexico or Mexican.
1821 parts of New Spain territories gained independence to become Mexico, under its new constitution, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, Mexican citizenship after 300 years under Spains yolk. Mexicans did not colonize the territories of the Californios, Nuevomexicanos or Tejanos which became the SW 25 year Mexican Period 1821-1846. The Spanish population including Anglo American settlers were then mandated Mexican citizenship, while the indigenous were generally unconquered and didn't acknowledge Mexico, while some indians, under Spains era 1598-1821, had accepted colonialism, allied with the Spanish and even had a pact with Nuevomexicanos. These all became US citizens under the Treaty of G Hidalgo, stayed in the homeland, followed by the US Territorial Period. Later south of the border, Mexicans approx 1880 after the Mexican War, migrated from mostly from Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa to US border areas establishing border towns in wilderness areas never populated which had been lands to indigenous tribes who raided and attacked, tapering off after the US Army overtook them and placed in reservations. Mexicans were a Johnny come late in American history, 1800s..and generally did not colonize today's SW or California during the brief Mexican Period...
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@alaska8429 he meant the USA could have been bigger if it had kept all of Mexico after conquest. The USA gave back half of Mexico, it's heart and core; USA keeping what it wanted, the SW which was sparsely populated while todays Mexico was populated with millions of mixed races which the USA was not interested in. The USA didn't need to take over Mexico's racist problems--smart.
Just so happened that historically, back to colonial period what became the USA , while there were exceptions, the European, Indian and black were kept separate including in the SW; while what is Mexico today, since early colonializm days, because of forced Catholicism, the European mixed not only blood, but culturally with the Indians and blacks creating a caste system of basically mestizo, mulatto, Indio, criole, peninsulares. USA becomes a Protestant nation, 1776 governed by European whites, no conflicts. Mexico becomes a Catholic nation 1824 goverened by a mixed class creating racial chaos.
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Regardless, even if the polls favor Trump, and Harris doesn't debate, Republicans need to vote early, in person, before election day to bank your vote. True Blue Democrat voters will be out in droves this election period to vote Harris, because brainwashed Democrats believe Harris is for the working class with CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS speading Trump lies day after day along with Democrat politicians.
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How were Americans the first illegals. Spain permitted land grant settlements in Texas, So did Mexico. Early 1800s. Spain lands were closed borders, strictly guarded for 300 years up to 1821. The young nation of Mexico government opened the borders after 1821, permitted commercial trade between Missouri via Old Santa Fe Trail and New Mexico, and mountain fur traders. And allowed American settlers mandating Mexican citizenship during the very brief 26 year Mexican Period. California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not historically Mexico. Lands had belonged to Spain who never handed the lands over to Mexico as Spain never recognized Mexican independence. All nations cross borders, its called Conquest. Mexico is no exception. Treaties make agreements between nations. Native Tejanos, Californios and Nuevomexicanos are protected under the Treaty of GH. Period. Mexicans were the first to abuse the border, crossing illegally for over fifty years after the Mexican War. The US created the Texas Rangers to control illegal migration after 1920. Kudos to Trump for abiding by the rule of law and protecting our sovereign borders... And wasn't it Biden who publicly grabbed leftist Eva inappropriately. Looks like those Democrat's have low moral values... Eva needs to learn American history, SW Spanish Colonial history; as well as SW Mexican Period history which was as brief as the wink of an eye....
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@mdc3148 Tejas has a history encompassing the indigenous, Spain, France, Mexico, Republic of Texas and USA over many centuries.... Name Tejas is derived from the Louisiana Caddo tribes which the Spanish attempted to pronounce Taysha. Mexico was just a short part of Tejas history, barely the wink of the eye. Very early in today's SW, 1680, El Paso was the place of refuge for NewMexico Spanish colonists who escaped the Pueblo Indian tribes during the Pueblo Revolt returning after 12 years. During that period, El Paso was part of NM, a short lived colony after New Mexicans returned to New Mexico in 1692.
By 1690, France claimed Texas and was driven off by the Indians. By 1700 Spain needed to colonize to claim the land and abandoned it due to violent Indian resistance . After two decades Spain tried recolonizing with barely any missions or soldiers w no success, forced away from Natchitoches, Louisiana border, to San Antonio along with Canary Island colonists. Wilderness Texas was sparsely populated for centuries. Among Spain, France and Indian wars there was too much conflict. France returned Texas to Spain by a treaty, Spain returned Louisiana to France, who in turn negotiated the Louisiana Purchase at the turn of the 19th century along with Spain giving up Florida to the USA by a treaty.
Mexican independence. Tejanos, Nuevomexicanos, Californios did not join Hidalgo in fight for independence. Neither did these New Spain territories participate in Mexico "City,s" political dynamics or battles against Spain. Mexico's first attempt at independence 1814 did not name California, New Mexico/Arizona, or Texas in the first Apatzingan constitution as part of Mexico. So finally Mexico gets its independence 1821, but Spains Crown refused to accept independence or sign the Treaty of Cordova. Thus New Spains territories were not inherented by Mexico. TX, NM or CA became provinces of the Mexican Republic, no input by Spain. Spain expected to regain its lands. It was by Mexican imperialism through Mexico's Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution of 1824 that territories were claimed.
United States independence was a cohesive body of thirteen colonies who fought for independence from Great Britain and UNITEDLY worked together to found the USA and establish a republic for and by the people with a well thought of constitution. There is no comparison to Estados Unidos Mexicanos. It was the Mexico City and surrounding areas who fought independence. The so called Republic of Mexico had patriotic issues since its birth 1824, and most under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution were forced Mexican citizenship. Central America soon broke away. The Republic of the Rio Grande, Republic of Yucatan and the Republic of Texas complained of Mexico City's deaf ear to issues, fighting Central Mexico's Republic...
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Texas. Santa Anna brought in troops to Texas as there were no Mexican settlers to battle Texans. It was Texas Spanish colonists , who were forced Mexican citizenship, many fought alongside Texans for independence. Almost 75% Mexican citizens in Texas were American. The reason being that Mexico permitted American Anglo settlements because Texans was unpopulated with just a few Spanish settlers. Thousands of unconquered Indians. Texas needed settlers. Chihuahuans, Sonorans, Sinaloans didn't colonize CA and SW during the 26 year Mexican Period. Americans took advantage of the situation as would any other peoples. If Mexico let them in legally, there is always illegal activity which Mexico turned a blind eye. Santa Ana tore up the constitution, dismantled congress, taxed heavily, no rule of law, no courts, leading to Texas independence. For 250 years, Spain barely populated, financed or conquered the Indians in CA, NM, TX. Too far, isolation and dangerous to populate. Great Britain and the USA recognized Spains territories, treaties and borders. They also acknowledged Mexican independence, but Spain did not-- for another 15 years. Great Britain, USA, France, Russia were well aware these lands were wide open for takeover. Spain was selling out border lands to USA--returning lands to France, Florida transferred to USA by Treaty, and after 250 years of closed and strictly guarded borders, Spain agreed to land grant settlements to Americans in Texas. What next for lands neglected by Spain, barely claimed except for New Spain isolated outposts. Of primary importance, Spain was at war in Europe, no longer a world power with deep pockets. The writing was on the wall but for Mexican independence.....
Yes, New Spains territories; Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines, Central America, today's Mexico, parts of USA, plus, were all governed in Mexico City by Spains viceroy, not Mexico the Republic. The viceroy governed for Spains king. The history is European discovery, land claims, disputes, independence, new nations, wars, conquest, treaties, purchases, borders. Read a book. All this nonsense of crossed our borders is a bunch of garbage. Longera fancies herself as a spokes person for "Hispanic's" a 1960 USA Census Bureau government identity for who knows what. Totally muddled.... She's as empty headed in US SW history as you. Sorry..... Additionally, Mexicans began to migrate illegally to US border areas about 1880, well after the Mexican War. Mexicans are immigrants to the USA. And not protected under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, as are Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos who were Spanish colonists living in the far northern homeland under Spain.
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@mdc3148 "Mexican in history," ridiculous. There was no Mexico until 1824, Estados Unidos Mexicanos..... The territories were New Spain. The citizens were Peninsulares, born in Spain. Crillos, children of Peninsulares born in New Spain, mestizo, Indian and mulatto. Apparently you haven't read much.... Before the USA, it was the thirteen colonies. Before some of the lands were Mexico, they were New Spain which were separated territories, far and wide; from California to Florida, Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Central America, Caribbeans, Cuba, Phillipines. Plus. Most split away from New Spain by independence, treaties, purchases, war, etc. There is just no comparison to the USA who gained lands, Manifest Destiny; while the young Mexican Republic lost Central America, California to Texas, not to mention New Spains lost territories Cuba, Philippines, Caribbeans; nevertheless California, New Mexico, Texas are not historically Mexico. 26 years LOL..... Read up..... the history channel just doesn't cut it....
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@mdc3148 Spanish land grants were awarded by Spains crown by 1692 in the far north territories during coloninization; including to NMs Pueblo Tribes. Mexico after 1824 awarded land grants as well. There were few Mexicans who came north after Mexican independence. In fact there were no Mexicans in California to fight off Kearney during the Mexican War. Mexican soldiers were brought north to battle the UnitedStates.... It was basically foreign Mexican officials who transplanted to the wilderness north California while local Spanish Settlers had issues with Central Mexico's governance in the California homeland... The young nation of Mexico issued land grants to Californios in the homeland as well as a few Mexican transplant aristocrats who settled in the north after Mexicanindependence. Mexico opened the borders after 1821, Americans became Mexican citizens, thus illegal immigration was not an issue except maybe for those who broke Mexico's unenforced laws. The biggest Mexican land grant , huge--almost 2,000,000 acres was the Maxwell Land Grant in northern New Mexico awarded to Mexican citizen Anglo-Americans by NM Governor Armijo who governed the province under the Republic of Mexico during the very brief SW 26 yr. MexicanPeriod... So it was not only Texas who awarded land grants to Anglo Americans under Mexico's Republic. Yes, Anglo Americans crossed the borders legally up until 1848, Mexican citizens, then the lands which had belonged to Spain for 250 years, finally became US territories. These were never destined for Mexico same as Central America. Central America, who in fact historically has similar culture to today's central Mexico in art, icons, pyramids, religion etc. Interesting how Mexicans only look north, thats because of the success of the the USA.
Spain governed and controlled New Spains many territories from Mexico City up to 1821, that's documented. Not so under the 1800s Mexican Republic. The government was divided, the constitution was abolished and the territories were self governed. Mexico City had no control as your romancization. Up north there was resistance to the new Mexican government. The indigenous were not Mexican and battled Mexico presence in their centuries inherent lands. Nuevomexicanos refused central Mexico's government to ally with Mexico's army against the Comanche. For someone who wrote books, you are ill educated. In fact I could give you enough historical documentation for you to write a real book. Now that's hilarious! Good day....
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@HIDROGONIUMARINO Hard to determine what your talking about---who are we, they, them, that group are. Today, those from Mexico are Mexican citizens under Mexico's constitution since 1821. Those who broke away are Central American identified by their country. These from the SW are US Americans 1848. They were all separate explorations encompassing from 1519 to 1560, all became different Spains territories under New Spain along with Louisiana to Florida, Cuba, Pacific Coast to Canada, Caribbeans, Phillipines plus, far and wide. All governed by Spains viceroy. New Spain was never united as one nation. By and by after 300 years, territories, broke away from Spain and today fall under different nations and borders. The United States 1776 identified the new nation as United States of America because it was in the American continent. Mexico did not id as American, it name is Estados Unidos Mexicanos. The remote north SW was the homeland to Spanish Colonists since1598 who really never had roots in what is today Mexico. Some may have lived in Mexico City, Vera Cruz, Zacatecas for a few years, or headed to the far north just off the ship, these were early New World days. But they didn't have much connection with the Indians as in Mexico City. Mandated Mexican citizenship after Mexican independence 25 years and soon after became US citizens.
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Comparing a 16th century psychic to modern day standards is unbalanced. Why stop at 16th century European, go back 4000 years to biblical days. Human history is violence even among the American Indian tribes before European explorations. History was brutal humans-- dehumanizing, barbaric , slavery, genocide, battles, conquests. Segregation was still practiced in the 1930s and today all US citizens have equality under the law, while barbarism is still prevalent throughout parts of the world. Why pick on Europeans when inhumanity was the norm in what is today America centuries before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. Rael Galves represents history revision and hate for America. Capture and slavery was prevalent all over the Americans because that was the 16th century world. Africa sold their own to Europeans during the same era. Galves interpretation is part of immigrant Mexican Chicano Studies sympathizing and identifying with the Amerindian and demonizing Europeans. It's all part of destroying America with open borders, stolen lands, cancel culture woke, destroying historic monuments, radicalism of our history as if if the Amerindian were never violent until European intervention. We're fortunate we live in the USA, protected under our constitutional republic, and no longer experience the brutal history of our ancestors who lived for survival of another day be they Amerindian, European, African, etc. We are where we are today because of historical events.
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Lying Biden, 80% of this speech is lies. If this president is so concerned about CoVID, why did he open our border to CoVID super spreaders through unvetted migrants who were transported throughout the country, how's that for keeping Americans safe. Vaccinated are spreading CoVID simply because they are getting the virus so they are not necessarily protecting themselves, or others. The vacinnated and unvaccinated are ending up in the hospital because the goverenment has halted preventative medications to treat CoVID early on, after the release of the vaccine, how's that for keeping America's safe. By halting early treatment, the goverenment is the super spreader, not the unvaccinated as lying Biden stated.. Many people need to go outside of their providers to get the meds, the providers are in fear their license will be pulled. The FDA approved vaccine has not yet been released.. If Bidens theory on vaccination are true, why all the mask and social distancing, folks have always gotten the vaccine to protect themselves, not others. Show respect says Biden , where is his respect for everybody and their personal choice to their own bodies because in truth we don't know that the vaccine is safe. The availability of antibodies and free testing are the only common sense in this speech. The president failed to mention the many who have natural antibodies and are not at risk for Covid, the many also who because of their youth and good health are not at risk, at least 75% of us. . And if they happen to get the virus, there are steroid medications, if treated early, are proven effective. He is overrating unproven vaccines, Why? He protects illegal outsider unAmericans to Americans.... And there are those who ask -- was the vaccine created for CoVID or was CoVID created for the vaccine.... All was fine before CoVID, Trump was working for Americans. During his four years he did not flood our borders with a millions of unvetted, illegals, to be Democrat voters.... He lifted the economy, and did not leave a failing nation to Biden. Bidens excessive Liberal administration is running the country. Americas republic goverenment is for and by the people, does not dictate to citizens what to do with their bodies. We have the HIPPA to protect our privacy. And no one has a right to our privacy records. Forcing people to get vaccinated is unconstitutional. This has not been approved by Congress. And makes Biden a dictator. Oh, and the Democratic Liberals were saying Trump was a dictator, Time for Americans do their own research and stop listening to biased Liberal media.
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After Mexican independence, Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution declared its citizens "Mexican" under the lands the newly formed "Mexico" claimed under the 1824 constitution , even Americans living in the young Mexican Republic became Mexican. Mexican is a citizenship, not an ethnicity. 25 years does not make a Mexican. Those sparse "Mexican citizens" living in the SW homeland, most under Spains Empire of over 250 years, became USA citizens under the 1848 Treaty of GH. Given the choice to remain in the SW homeland or uproot and resettle in Mexico. Most chose to remain in the centuries homeland , many since 1598, of their Spanish Colonial settler forefathers who guarded New Spains northern and western borders against French and Russian intrusion, had toiled the soil, Catholized and allied with a few peaceful tribes, fought off the many unconquered tribes as Navaho, Comanche, had their local politics, lived apart from the Indian to never merge and form a mestizo culture ; and rejected the new 1824 Mexican government who came far north to their distant lands to govern them and faced with rebellion. The northern tribes bitterly hated the Mexican, fiercely attacking Sonora and Sinaloa. In fact California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas parts of New Spain never joined Hidalgo or Mexico City in their political dynamics or battles against Spain or Mexican independence. SW was too far from Mexico City, too close to the USA. Come 1821 Americans were settling in the SW, commercial trading via Santa Fe Trail from Missouri and mountain fur traders into California. Americans were land grant settlers in Texas initiated by Spain. The SW was destined to be a part of the USA just as Louisiana and Florida, except for an unsuccessful Mexican intrusion of 25 years.
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@Red_Fox_87 No, because Democrat's are far left radical Socialists, who fundamentally want to change America--Obamas words. Look what they did to Robert Kennedy, for being a moderate. He intended to run for president as a Democrat. They threw him under the bus... Democrat's are uninformed. HISTORICALLY Democrat's supported slavery, racism, KKK, segregation. More recently are anti semantic, at least Kennedy and Roosevelt and Democrat professors at universities, supported Jim Crow, segregationists, anti American cancel culture history revisionists supporting marxism and indoctrination in higher education.
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Mexico gained independence 1821 from Spain 25 years before the Mexican War. An independence Spain didn't acknowledge and Spains King never signed the Treaty of Cordova. The young Mexico Republic claimed the distant wilderness SW under its 1824 Constitution which were not listed as states, rather Mexico's provinces. They were unincorporated, and not part of Mexicos main. Were very distant and highly taxed for no return while citizens of the SW homeland were exposed to Americans via the Santa Fe Trail, were introduced to commercial trade also with American mountain fur traders starting 1821 , on into California, decades before Mexican migration north after the Mexican War approx 1880s. Texas was unpopulated vast land, and Mexicos government along with S Austin, arranged American land grants in Texas with the US westward movement. So there was much American activity and more Americans in today's SW than Mexico's government officials who were basically the only who headed north after independence, in what had been Spain and US border lands. In fact it was Spain who initiated American land grants in Texas with M Austin before Mexican independence. Spain had by that time Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. . Russia and France had claimed parts of today's SW also. It was all New Spain identified by many Territories. From today's Mexico, California to Florida, Central America, Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines. Similar to New England Colonies. Except Spain had done more exploring and claimed more land. Plus disputes among Great Britain, Russia and Spain. Interesting history.
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Reparations are ripe. The USA Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Yumas, Chumash, Shasta, Pueblo, plus many more northern USA tribes are getting Reparations left and right, millions of annual federal funding from US Federals, protection under US Indian Law and tribal sovereign lands, enterprises, casinos, plus more and more. You, if Mexican are entitled to nothing as your ancestors were not from anywhere USA...and nothing was stolen from you. Except for the Mexican government confiscating natives lands. And that's the real truth.
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And Yucatan begged the USA for annexation... California and the SW were not historically Mexico. Under Mexico's first attempt at independence from Spain, the 1815 constitution, these northern territories were not "Mexico"... America is exploration, land claims, conquest, colonization, disputes, wars, more conquests, treaties, purchases , border shifts.... Woke socialists do not educate, they indoctinate. No common sense ...
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Democrat politicians are full of deceipt, including election interference and failure to support ballot integrity. And Democrat's who vote these vile crooks into office are just as bad. The United States is at the brink of destruction because Democrat's support the evil conduct of anti semantics, racism, transgender, open borders, criminal activity, over spending, cancel culture, liberal facist agenda promoted by liberal university professors indoctrination for over half a century. America has lost its love of country except for conservatives Republicans who stand by our constitutional republic for which it stands. And looks like Bidens total failure in leadership and his anti American politics and Trumps capability in supporting US Americans has finally got many Americans to wake up and take a better look at politics. Yet there are those Dumocrats true to blue, no matter what. Brainwashed by radical Democrat's CNN, MSNBC, CBS and the like who don't inform. Trump was right when he stated the media is the enemy of the people.
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It's already a Democrat Administration under Biden, and American is not great. Biden is destroying it by the day. And everything out of Bidens mouth is a lie. Democrat CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC are mouth pieces for Biden, spread marxist propaganda and lies about Biden who is--anti American, anti history, cancel culture , extreme left radical liars woke cult. You and they cannot prove Trump is against democracy, social security, Medicare, Hitler, or some monster. These are Democrat lies. And there's no proof Biden is this great president. In fact he's senile with dementia and serious neurological problems and been like this for years and Democrats knew and lied about the entire open secret.
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Between Mexico and the USA, both new nations in north America which developed from New Spain Territories and New England Colonies after three centuries of independence from the motherlands. None of these nations were invaded. Mexico claimed independence in 1821 following USA independence in 1776. The young Mexico Republic allowed Mexican land grants to Americans as settlers in Texas because during New Spains California, New Mexico and Texas territories were barely colonized by Spain during the 275 years Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821, because these territories were very distant from other parts of NewSpain, isolated and barely financed by Spain. Spain did not colonize mainly because Spain never conquered the California and SW Indians and these New Spain territories were dangerous for colonists, Spain concerned over Indian revolts as what took place in isolated New Mexico with the 1680 Pueblo Revolt and massacre of Spanish Colonial settlers. Spain also was unable to make connecting roadways to Louisiana also part of New Spain, because of the feared Comanche in Texas. These distant northern New Spain territories served as outposts for Russian and French intrusion into Spains territories.
Fast forward to Mexican independence. Mexico claimed Spains lands which included the far northern territories California, New Mexico, Texas under its 1824 constitution as Spain never acknowledged Mexican independence or Treaty'd any lands to Mexico. Mexico needed to populate Texas as it was sparsely populated, hundreds of unconquered Comanche, and young Mexico accepted Americans to populate as settlers becoming Mexican citizens under Mexican law. Mexican politics, dictator Santa Ana, led to the Battle of Alamo between Texans and southern Mexicans, the final Battle of San Jacinto was a Texas conquest as Santa Ana was captured, leading to Texas independence, the Republic of Texas. Disputed land was unresolved between Texas and Mexico, which was not covered under the Treaty of Limits between Mexico and USA. The USA annexed Texas which of course now became part of USA. Disputed land of ten years unresolved. USA military set foot on the disputed land; Mexico claimed invasion and fired first shot, USA claimed US blood was shed on American soil by Mexico. Consequently the Mexican War. Fascinating history...
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@petermuniz9296 Ancient history. Mexico is derived from the mexica Aztec from Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain in the valley of Mexica which was only about 350 miles in size, surrounded by enemy tribes and many tribes not mexica Aztec. So the Mexica were/are just a very small fraction of natives in today's Mexico right about where Mexico City is. If not for Spain, mexica/ Mexico would be almost unheard of. If not for Spain, Mexico would never have become a nation. And the mexica would be a lost tribe amongst the multitude of tribes in what would, if not for Spain, who kept "Mexico" alive because of Mexico City in regular use as "Mexico City" was prominent in all of New Spain territories as the seat of Spains viceroy and established with catholicism, hospitals, schools, government buildings, big pockets etc. Totally influencal because of Spains great empire.
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@petermuniz9296 Mexico became a nation in 1824 under its constitution Estados Unidos Mexicanos. For 300 years before 1824 the lands, many territories from California to Florida, today's Mexico, Cuba, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans, Pacific Coast were New Spain controlled by Spain since the 1500s. Before that the lands were inhabited by hundreds of indigenous tribes all over what is today north America, with their own indigenous tribal names before there ever was a Mexico, USA, Canada.
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Americans are exhausted all right and finally turned the page on election day from Harris and Biden. Turned the page for a better economy, border control and illegal migration, extreme radical left wing cancel culture woke indoctrination and "strange" left wing policies. Most Americans are conservative, patriots, respect our history--colonization, founding fathers, historical monuments, military, police, ICE, border patrol, flag, Constitutional Republic. Republican Landslide 2024--Red Tsunami! Congratulations President Trump, you did it again for America!
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Spaniards did not name the SW or any other territories "Mexico", the territories were named New Spain, by Spain. Just pull up a pre 1824 New Spain map charting it's territories. There was no Mexico or Mexican until 1824. All territories had been part of New Spain and identified by territory. Just as the Indians were identified by tribe and geography. . The United States did not just simply take Mexico away. The United States and Mexico fought a bloody battle at which the United States overthrew, occupied, and conquered all of Mexico. Both nations negotiated an agreement outlined in the Treaty of GH Including part of Mexico returned by the US. The US could have taken all. Aside from part of the Treaty agreement of fifteen million dollars after the conquest which the US was not obligated to pay as winner of the war, the US/Mexico Gadson Purchase later brought in another ten million dollars to Mexico from the US. That's twenty five million dollars. The purchased lands were not historically Mexico, Mexico had claimed California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas forr barely 25 years. The lands claimed by Spain for 275 years, belonged to SW Indians Apache, Navajo, Ute, Comanche plus many more who still reside in their indigenous lands and are tribal members of sovereign lands within the United States. Stolen is just a recent day term to justify lands lost by accepted conquest world wide throughout history. Some make much of 25 years of claimed land that was quasi governed by a distant Mexican nation who barely set foot in the SW and bitter enemy to northern Indian's who never acknowledged Mexico.
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Trump does not control Congress, he's a private citizen and has no authority over Congress. The Republican House are strong minded patriots and didn't sign the bill because of a conflict with Democrat Congress in giving illegal criminals the right to catch and release under the law. Catch and release is unconstitutional. So Republicans are following the law and protecting our sovereign borders. Harris or Biden, we don't know who is running the USA, do you. Biden is not in charge of his mental faculties. So looks like we don't have a President.... Biden or Harris have the legal right, under the Constitution to close the border today, with pen in hand and signature, their responsibility under the law to protect Americans. Trump has no control over Abbott. First off all Trump is a private citizen having no authority over the Governor. And Abbott as Governor of the State of Texas has authority over Texas, its borders, and under law has the responsibility to protect Texas borders and Texas citizens. Abbott is following the rule of law. Bowing to the guy. Lol. Neither Trump or Abbott are puppets like Biden and a Harris who are obviously beholden to the Democrat political bosses who will get rid of them overnight, Chicago style, like they already did to Biden. That Democrat Convention was supposed to be Bidens, he was voted by Democrats as candidate for presidency not Harris, the puppeteers ran him off... Crooked, twisted Democrats. The Convention was full of drama and endless lies about Trump. Not a word on open borders, uncontrolled crime, inflation, illegal migrants taking Americans jobs and voting illegally, not a word on illegal migrants murdering and raping Americans . Vote Trump for a better America.
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What about the 300,000 missing children under Harris open border policy by Mexican cartels human trafficking. Totally mum... Why is she laughing at Trump, he fixed the problem at the border. He built the wall authorized by Congress. No border crisis under Trump. Ttump followed constitutional law to protect our sovereign borders, he even negotiated with Mexico on Stay in Mexico policy. Trump worked endlessly, tirelessly for America, brilliant political skills, bold and has the spirit for America. A true patriot while Harris does not support ICE or border patrol. Trump has earned their respect. Harris is the one who hasn't done much of anything, except blame Trump and rambles on incoherently. Why is it when Trump speaks, people can follow his speeches of reason and substance. When Harris speaks, no one knows what she's talking about. In fact, she side swipes and doesn't answer questions. Her opportunity for the burdened, with dreams and hope of aspirations is nothing but government control. She's more radical than Biden who is the farthest left extreme president ever. Harris will be worse with all these opportunities she proposes.
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And the south west, California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were claimed by Mexico for only 25 years under Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824 Constitution, as provinces, were automous. Mexican officials were met with rebellion and the northern tribes hated Mexico. These were northern New Spain border US lands left over after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. Under an earlier 1814 Apatzingan Constitution the SW are not states of Mexico, the were too distant New Spain Territories. The SW never was part of Mexico City's or Hidalgos political dynamics against Spain or never participated with Mexico City in battles against Spain. In fact there was no Mexico until 1821. By which Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence. There were battles for another decade.
Anglo American were in the SW 1821 before Mexicans as settlers. Successful trade via the Santa Fe Trail into California, including also Mountain Men fur trade. Mexican government brought in Anglo American land grant settlers to Texas. The entire SW was vast lands of desert wilderness sparsely populated by Spain because of fear of Indian revolts, lands which neighboring USA had a vision for. While Mexico just taxed heavily and didn't support these unincorporated terrories, while the SW Colonial Settlers, who later became American citizens, wanted independence from Mexico, not supporting Mexico in battles against the Comanche. Mexican populations as Chihuahuans and Sinolas were not interested in the SW during the short lived Mexican Period while a few Mexican soldiers were bribed with land grants in California during the those 25 years. Mexican populations migrated 1880s to border areas with US westward movement, US subjugation of SW unconquered Indians near the border, and trains during the Mexican Revolution.
What Revolution? It had been Mexican Independence 25 years before the Mexican War. Mexico as a nation never had deep pockets or a great government. There were many small internal revolutions and conflicts and Mexico was barely able to govern its heart and core, Mexico City, much less vast lands a thousand miles away. Santa Ana even tore up the Constitution. Mexico after independence, followed through with Spains initiative with Austins to allow American land grant settlements in vast Texas lands sparsely populated. The only Revolution was the 1910 Revolution after the Mexican War...
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Media propaganda. Trump lies and hate. No mention on Harris economy, border, illegal migration, marxist policy, foreign affairs, billions dollars lost to Afghanistan, millions paid to Americans for staying home, thousands forced closure small businesses, high interest rates, mortgages halted, migrant crime, unreported crime, easy on crime, defunding police and ICE. And the list goes on. Uninformed voters.
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The swamp is a corrupt political machine with all kinds of money and influence supported by Democrat voters, Illegal voters, Hollywood, Big Tech, Big Pharma, universities, churches, rich communists, elites etc. Trump and Republicans can help, but look at what the swamp did to Trump in retribution. . Charged him for a non existing crime, took him to court, found him guilty of no crime or victim, want him in prison, are using a corrupt court instead of election norms to get rid of a Republican political opponent. Trump exposed them, but he cannot get rid of evil factions that are have become too powerful in America. Republicans need to become the majority, but Democrat's have been importing voters illegally from outside our borders for decades.
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Why should America give it back. Mexico claimed the lands for only 25 years after Mexico took the lands from Spain under no Treaty or agreements. Mexico claimed its lands in 1824 under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution out of lands left over in New Spain after Spain had Treaty'd Florida to USA and Louisiana to France in North America prior to Mexican independence. Today's Mexico is nothing but lands returned to Mexico by the USA after Mexican War conquest under the Treaties of Guadalupe Hidalgo and Gadsden Purchase with transactions of 25 million dollars into Mexicos pockets. Mexico was barely a nation with no treasury, no unity, barely patriotic, about 20 governments within 25 years of independence, unstable and claimed lands too far and unincorporated to Mexicos main, today's California and SW which are not ancestrally Mexico.. in four decades Mexico went from no borders as there was no Mexico, then the 1814 Apatzingan constitution under which California, New Mexico, Texas were not Mexico, the 1824 border, then the 1848 border under Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty. Mexico was a Johnnie come late to California and SW, not until 1824, and gone after 1848. And no SW peoples are crying over Mexico which temporarily quasi controlled the lands, in fact they were autonomous and basically neglected and ready for takeover by the USA or Russia or Great Britain... As the Pacific Coast had been disputed lands among Spain, Russia and Great Britain in the 1700s. And Texas disputed lands between USA and Mexico in the 1800s. And there had been no Mexican populations in California and SW prior to 1824. In fact the Navaho, Comanche, Ute, Chumash, Yumas, Mohave, Shasta, Piaut, plus hundreds of northern tribes never knew themselves Mexican or American. Some of these tribes fought off Mexico after 1824. Today they are USA citizens with their tribal sovereign lands under US Federal Law...
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In any case Europeans introduced cattle and horses to America, the original 13 Colonies English; and Spanish settlers brought cows, horses via the West Indies to the east coast and different parts of New Spain, the French shipped livestock from France. It was actually Hollywood entertainment John Wayne, Roy Rodgers, Gene Autrey, etc who brought the cowboy culture to the attention of Americans. Influencing and setting the stage for the popularity of the good ole American cowboys, rodeo's, etc. Nevertheless it was first the European Spanish who brought the horse and cattle to the islands and American continent which eventually may have influenced certain aspects of cowboys in the United States. Latin America had its own Argentinean guacho, with his bolero... The Mexican has let go of his sombrero and adapted the American cowboy hat. So what, the world over is influenced by other cultures. Things do not "originate" in different places. It's one or the other. Which has nothing to do with the video.
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@vaquero7x You need to do your research on the development of saddles which have been around for centuries going back to BC with evidence of saddles in Africa, Asia and Europe including the horn and similar in appearance to the modern saddle. Humans have been inventing since before recorded history. The nations of the United States, Mexico and all other American nations were later developed after the 18th century, influenced by the Old World. I totally agree, Spain was the great world empire in it's time for about three centuries, but Mexico as a new nation 1824 never had the power, influence or economy as in the development of it's neighboring new nation of the United States. The New World, America is basically a spin off of the Old World. Livestock are part of nature, cowhands necessary for the industry, Mexico or not buckaroos , cowboys were needed by the America rancher who already had cows, horses and saddles. By the way, the Comanche became the outstanding horseman by 1700, self taught, developing expert skill in warfare while side mounted on the European horse. Unmatched the Comanche was second to no European or other Indian tribes during battle -- with no saddle. It's all in the spin-off from Europe, had the European horse not made it's way to America, the Indian would still be on foot.
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@xavi4694 Historically there is no Old Mexico. "Mexico" is derived from the "mexica" Aztec tribes of who did not own what is Mexico today. Their territory was in Tenichitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain, also referred by the Spaniards as the valley of Mexico (Aztec territory). Montezums empire was limited to this area, a small ratius surrounded by non Aztec tribes enemies to the Aztec. It took three hundred years for the development of Mexico as an American nation. No Old Mexico, this is history revision Chicano immigrant non sense and Hollywood cowboy movie's entertainment..Spain was the super power, not New Spain. Spain was the empire, not it's territories. Spains King appointed and ruled over the territorial (New Spain) vice royal. The Mexica Aztec became subjects to Spain after 1523. Spain was the government, not New Spain as Spain conquered Montezuma. Spain owned all parts of New Spain, until transferred, treatied (Louisiana, Florida) or independence Cuba, today's Mexico. The young nation of Estados Unidos Mexicanos crumbled after Spain left. Not the young United States which prospered after separating from the motherland. The United States did not steal Mexico, history revison, it was conquered after both became nations. You pretty much mimicked my view on Mexico City the most prominent in America, but it was all introduced by European Spains great empire. There would be no Mexico today if the English had claimed and colonized the territories.... The English had no mercy for the Indian so they likely would have wiped them out or relocated them as they did to what is today the US east coast tribes. Whoever was left would be speaking English today. In fact, there would be no Mexico today had it not been for Europe. Where would the Indian be without the caballo... Historical events are what make today's nations and the European Spanish, English and French certainly influenced north America. You can have your Chihuahua Mexican influenced vaqueros, who influenced the Texan, Big deal. What peoples are pure anything, if not in blood but by another peoples influence. I noted you didn't pull out the real history books.
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@xavi4694 Cortez did not arrive in Vera Cruz until 1519. He did not reach a "Mexico" rather a land to later become New Spain. The natives there were not mexica Aztec. His translator Malinche was Mayan. From Vera Cruz, Spain later reach inlandTenichitlan. Later the Spanish reached into non Aztec territories Sea of Cortez areas, conquering other tribes, and more conquered tribes towards Zacatecas and later very distant lands in the isolated north and Pacific coast,, this took decades into the 1550s. They became territories claimed by Spain. Not to mention south, today's Central America. History 101.
You're conflating Spain with New Spain. Spain brought to New Spain, European architecture, engineering, philosophy, music, math, art, science etc, much influenced by the Moors and the ancient world, as Catholicism from Rome. New York did not even exist at that time as the Dutch didn't sail and reach Jamestown till the following century 1610, that's almost a hundred years later if you can count. Spain and New Spain were as different as the 13 Colonies and Great Britain, each were rooted in Europe, Spain and England having historical connections and even shared royal ancestry. New Spain was never the richest country in the world, or was it ever Old Mexico or a super power. In fact, New Spain was not a country, it was many territories claimed by Spain. Part of New Spain became Mexico in 1824. Other parts of New Spain became some of the US, parts of Central America, Independent Cuba, Philippines if you get the picture... You've got a false sense of pride, exaggerate and your history obviously is upside down.
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Casinos get bankrupted. But a world pandemic is a an anomaly. Trump stepped up to Covid-a task force, travel was censored starting with oversees, assured ventlators in hospitals, did not close the economy, a accelerated a vaccine. Trump had a great economy, built the military, pushed for Veterans care, strengthened NATO, negotiated with Mexico on Stay in Mexico policy, outstanding in foreign affairs- no wars, lowed taxes. Kamela Harris gave America a dreadful economy, pushed for open borders, cannot account for 300,000 open border missing children due Mexican cartel human trafficking. Her radical extreme left wing politics supports mutilating children on transgender operations without parental consent. Harris is anti American, doesn't support our border patrol and likens ICE is the KKK. And as Vice President she has the obligation under the Constitution to apply the 25th Amendment on Biden for his mental illness. Rather she covered it up. If you are unaware of her atrocities, there's something missing between your ears....
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More people died of covid under Biden then Trump while Biden failed to eradicate covid as he promised. In fact Biden made a mess of covid; forced ineffective vacinnes on millions for big pharma, prevented doctors from using effective covid meds, closed or limited government, education, small businesses, overspent American tax payer dollars uselessly for folks to stay home, etc. Biden says he's not in mental decline, yet Jill had to finish up what he was unable to finish LOL. For all to see, Jill always at the rescue; leading a wobbly senile president off the stage or walking him away from the public at events, cheering him on with no shame after his disastrous debate, finishing off his mumbling. Humiliates herself time and time again. All DC, world leaders, media, etc knew of his mental decline, but America still doesn't know who was running the White House.... Disillusional True Blue Democrats living in a liberal fantasy. Not a wonder the party is crumbling. The USA is a real world.
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@julieburnham9275 Voting from a moral stance. Democrats letting South of the borderans, turning the other way for over a decade, for the vote. Trump addressing the issue, building a wall, controlling significantly illegal migrants, and negotiated Stay in Mexico policy. Then Biden Harris opened the wall, opening the border allowing uncontrolled illegal migrants, Harris lying, saying the border was closed, while all along unvetted migrants were given illegal entry by Harris--terrorists, gangs, drugs, criminals including Mexican cartels, 300,000 open border missing children unaccounted for by Harris, because of human trafficking. Encouraging a dangerous thousands miles trail; death, rape, thievery, hunger, separated child from parent. It's not humanity, it's political, the vote, for power. Plus no concern for America citizens, violating rights to schools, hospitals, housing etc. Biden violated his presidential oath to protect our sovereign border. Harris has the responsibility to trigger the 25th Amendment, the Vice President's responsibility under the Constitution to remove Biden because he's not mentally fit. Harris violated the Constitution and neither Harris orvp Biden care for the rulecof law. Congress tried to impeach Myorkas, Homeland Security, Director, for violation of the rule of border law, who lied lied as much as Harris and Biden, Democrat Congress ignored the lies, rule of law, and didn't join Republican Congress to impeach Myorkas. Yet, Democrat Congress impeached Trump based on lies, with no proof. Democrats are crooked, and immortal. No integrity to the constitutional. They even interfered with election norms, trying to get rid of political opponents, whichever corrupt way they can. It's Republican Congress who investigate government irregularities, while Democrat Congress lie, deflate and don't care. Totally immoral. They have sold their mothers soul... For Democrat power.
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@curry779 As Russians were a threat, Spain brought Spanish colonists to California during the late SW Spanish Colonial Period about 1770, San Antonio was colonized by Spain earlier in the 1700s with colonists from the Canary Islands and Texas Louisiana Spanish colonists from Nachodiches were also resetted in San Antonio. Spain colonized Northern NM as early as 1598. These were by all means Spanish (Spain) colonists. By 1821 Americans were settling in the SW. Upon Mexican independence citizens in these New Spain territories became Mexicans in 1824 under Mexico's Estados Unidos Mexicano's first constitution. The young Republic was weak with revolutions and an unsteady government along with patriotic issues especially in the distant frontier of the north. Mexico did not colonize or give much attention to the SW or conquer the Indians. But did bring Mexican officials and supplanted Spains flag with the Mexican flag in the SW, they were met with resistance and considered strangers in the far northern frontier wilderness settlements, nevertheless at that time became Mexican citizens during the 25 year Mexican Period, to become United States citizens after Treaty of G Hidalgo signatures. The Spanish colonists in the distant north had been no part of the political dynamics between New Spain and Spain. Mexicans began migration north after the Mexican War in border areas, but it was the early 1900s Mexican Revolution that brought thousands to the United States. The sparse Spanish colonists were from a different geographic area, different history, culture, and politics. And the SW Natives were a different Indian. These are indigenous to what is today the United States. The few Spanish colonists got lost with the influx of Mexicans in California and Texas after 1900. Northern New Mexico was able to keep the Spanish culture as it was never a mestizo culture, Spanish and Indian cultures did not merge. The Spanish lived separate from the Indians each preserved their own language and culture, yet the Pueblo Indians were Catholicized. Mexicans settled in the far southern border areas after the Mexican War, so there was plenty distance between southern Mexican and northern Spanish NM were they did not influence one another, historically. Northern NM had a deep Spanish mindset, with not much Indian influence and was able to preserve the Spanish heritage and today is the Spanish stronghold in the Americas. Spain was deeply stamped in northern NM because of two centuries of isolation and a sort of segregation from the Indian neighbors, although the neighboring Pueblo Indians allied with the Spanish against warrior raiding Natives as the Apache and Navajo. Keeping in mind that Mexico or Mexican was not in existence from 1598 to 1824.
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Don't argue with me says Fakie. He mislead the country on Covid, vaccines. The arrogant doctor in charge, is been proven wrong on lying to us all. What goes around comes around , these investigations are nessessary, Americans lost lives, lost livelihoods, plus freedoms. Other doctors studies did not matter with Fauci in charge. Not only were vacinnes misrepresented and recklessly forced, they caused serious irreparable health damage to many. Many did not get vaccinated or Covid. This super arrogant man should face the consequences. Vaccines, masks, six feet, were proven wrong. Covid is here to stay and medications are effective in treating the virus.
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Native Americans from Mexico are Mexican as Mexican is not an ethnicity, Mexican is a citizenship. Interestingly come 1824, and the Republic of Mexico claims today's SW, the Apache, Navajo, Ute, Comanche, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Piaute, Kiowa, Cheyenne, Arapahoe, Shoshone, Karenkara plus hundreds more northern tribes rejected Mexico. They were neither American or Mexican in 1824, they identified as their own tribe, much like they do today. The Mexican was bitterly hated; the Comanche, Kiowa, Apache set out to attack and pilage farms, villages, mines in Sonora and Sinaloa . In California, what few Mexicans the government was able to bring north, were attacked by Karenkaras and other Indians. All these tribes have never identified as Mexican, simply because they know their innate lands and tribes and inherently know they are not Mexican.
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1836 Battle of San Jacinto, Santa Ana captured by Texans after Santa Ana's own soldiers turned him in. Santa Ana had both legs during the 1838 Pastry War, the Mexican war with France , he lost one leg to a bullet injury, leg was amputated. And during the Mexican War his wooden leg was left behind during an escape . Some Mexicans are full of excuses and persistent on victimization. Mexico lost the war, grow up and life goes on. Mexico was incapable of controlling Mexico City, much less unincorporated distant northern territories over a thousand miles away who weren't even ancestrally Mexico. Mexico just barely a nation in 1848, no treasury, old weapons, hungry soldiers and just barely hanging on, was fortunate that the USA returned half Mexico's lands and Mexico pocketed 25 million dollars. 25 years earlier the lands didn't belong to Mexico, they were historically Spains lands.
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Where were you under Trumps administration. Strong leadership, Constitutional, respect under the world scene, negotiator, protected US sovereign borders, strengthen our military, non dictorial, exposed the DC corrupt swamp, never a socialist banana republic ideology as we are witnessing under Bidens administration. If we Americans have no choice other than Biden who weakly follows orders and reads of a script, does not project leadership or strength, falls on the stage and Airforce 1 stairs, shakes hands with no one, gets lost on the stage, mumbles incoherent speeches and announces he's ready to go to bed after 5 minutes on the world stage, at this weekend Vietnam Conference. Perhaps our voting regulations need to start testing voters for mental competence already, if folks believe Biden is our only hope..... Disgrace.
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. Trump may be no spring chicken but he's energetic, brilliant, a world diplomat, a patriot and will stand up for America. No one was personally negatively affected by Trumps presidency. The Harris Biden Administration has been wars , a bad economy, over spending, destabilizaton, open border ridden with Mexican cartels, human trafficking, rape, terrorists, gangs, drugs. Plus approx 350,000 children are missing under Harris watch. Any one who votes for Harris doesn't know who she is. She changes her stripes every other day and no one know her marxist policy or record. She's anti American cancel culture and throwing out promises to get votes which will be overspending for all sorts of handouts which will be higher taxes. Nothing is free. Trump has the common sense that Scamela never will. Her government will over regulate everything plus extreme taxes. Communism does work. Democrats are the enemy of the people and those who bury their head in the sand will never know....
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Mexican history is upside down. California barely had Mexican soldiers and USA military defeated California and moved on. Blood was shed on both sides as is the case in all wars since the beginningoftime. As in war, there is a conqueror who takes the spoils . Land is not stolen, land is controlled. Some Mexican factions make excuses of victimization, yet are only victims of the Mexican government. If Mexico wanted twin and keep its lands it should have fought harder, instead of giving up after only two years. This part of New Spain, central Mexico today fought Spain for ten years. Independent Mexico didn't fight hard enough... Losing the annexed north territories ,were unincorporated to Mexicos main. Mexico claimed these lands on a document , Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824 which were never Treaty'd to Mexico from Spain... Mexico didn't control these north distant lands or bring support for its high taxes. Americans settled these northern isolated lands simultaneously with Mexican government officials transplanting north. And many Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos wanted independence from Mexico. In fact, they never fought for Mexican independence and lands are not ancestrally Mexico. 1848 south of the borderians were not ancestrally rooted in anywhere USA and lost no lands. Mexico ate up 25 million dollars real estate money which it desperately needed. Did Mexico's unpaid starving soldiers get a dime of this money, foreign payback was more important than soldiers. The soldiers were used as they knew it. Point to the sty in your own eye instead of pointing to the USA. There were no stolen lands, this is nothing but propaganda. In fact these lands inherently belong to Navaho, Ute, Mohave, Shasta, Chumash, Piaute, Pueblo, Comanche plus many northern USA tribes who still live in their sovereign lands and some of those protected under the Treaty of GH in California and SW , allowed to stay in centuries homeland and become US citizens still live in their lands. Mexican history needs catching up...
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Stolen land... California and the SW belonged to many Indian tribes. Mohave, Shasta, Yaqui, Navajo, Apache, Pueblo, Ute, Comanche, Caddo, Piute, and many more who have sovereign lands within the United States. No one is telling them to go back to to the country they came from. And are protected by US Federal Indian Laws. Speaking of stolen lands, Mexicos young goverenment 1824 took the land from the Indians, today Mexican Indians are landless.
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@bradcanning875 He was referring to Mexicans. Hispanic are people from many different countries, races, color, cultures, history, about the only commonality is the Spanish language, on top of that, many don't even speak Spanish by generations of Americanization, or of mixed families , say Anglo and of Latin descent. There are many Hispanic who's ancestry is European and look it. In fact, Hispanic is a 1970s United States Census Bureau concoction. Hispanic is not used outside the United States.
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Look at the greed, immoral, and corrupt the typical John and Mary has become. Turn their ears and eyes away from the corruption in DC, all's fine, banana republic, Inflation, open borders, injustice, drugs, a senile, incompetent president, no God, trans gen, crime, no problem. A decayed society, Don't expect much, many of us know our destruction is from within....Sad.
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California and all of the SW were parts of Spains territories since 1550s. Mexico 1824 was a Jonny come late to these northern territories which Mexico claimed for only 25 years. These territories were not historically or inherently Mexico, which became a nation in 1821, but the young Mexico was still under European control until 1860s. The indigenous tribes from California to Texas never were or claimed to be Mexican or American, before 1821, or during the short lived Mexican occupation, 1821, over and done with by 1848..... In these territories, later part of the United States , Kit Carson within 20 years killed more indigenous tribes than Spain did in 250 years during which time the Apache were enemy to the Navajo, Comanche, Pueblo and the Spanish Colonial settlers; and centuies later the Mexican 1821-1846. These battles continued during the American Period after 1848. The Apache were still raiding American Anglo and historical Spanish settlements till about 1880. Until the United States army conquored the tribes..... Actually the only tribes "taken in" in today's SW by the European Spanish were the Pueblo tribes in New Mexico 1598, all other tribes from California to Texas were undisturbed except for local battles, and unconquered by Spain during the 250 years Spanish Colonial Period which ended in 1821. Later, Mexico in 25 years, never conquored or controlled them, yet went into battles against these northern tribe's. In fact, descendents of New Mexico Spanish colonists refused to ally with the Mexican army during Mexico's SW 25 year occupation to battle against the Comanche. Nuevomexicanos , Californiaos and Tejanos had become native to the SW lands during the 16, 17,18th centuries founding towns and villages and protecting Spains interests; Mexicans were outsider Intruder newcomers hated by the the indigenous to these northern lands.
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Can you imagine Biden working the window at McDonald's. Would be a total disaster, he wouldn't be able to handle it mentally or physically. And Harris lies to us all on Bidens acuity, like if we're all blind and deaf, even these know better... . And she's currently trying to say Trump has no decoram, is mentally unfit, physically run down, can't handle the campaign, yet he runs circles around Harris. Trump was totally the opposite of Harris remarks at McDonald's in an unfamiliar, quick paced environment for seventy something. Many people that age are lost in a strange environment, strange people. Take Biden for instance. Folks just loved Trumps McDonald's stunt, he's always been great around regular folks.
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@guillersl9510 yes it sounds very familiar... Before the Texas Revolution, the Mexican government arranged for Mexican land grant American settlers in Texas with Austin, whose father M Austin earlier had arranged for American Spanish land grants settlers in Texas under Spain. Texas was sparsely populated with Spanish Colonial Period Spanish settlers since early 1700s and unconquered Indians raiding all over Texas upon Mexican independence and Mexico needed settlers of which those from Sonora or Sinaloans were not interested in settling in the far desert wilderness frontier during the 25 year Mexican Period 1821-1846. During this Period, the young Mexico opened Spains closely guarded borders of over two and a half centuries. The new Republic of Mexico government 1824 allowed commercial trade to the far west California and SW on the Santa Fe Trail from USA Missouri. American Mountain men fur traders were hustling away in the fur trade also and not illegally. Mexico was changing tariffs on goods brought from US America. And Anglo Texans settlers became legal Mexican citizens.
Illegally these Americans did not enter Mexico, they were Mexican citizens under Mexico's constitution which Santa Ana ripped leaving Mexico a lawless nation. Leading to the Alamo rebellion. Followed by Santa Ana's capture by the USA military, by which Santa Ana's own soldiers turned him in, to American military during the San Jacinto Battle, a Texas American settler victory. Leading to the independent Republic of Texas, on now Texas land by conquest. Which later was annexed to the USA. The land in dispute between Mexico and the US was where American soldiers had entered when Mexico started the War. Disputed land is not illegal entry. Texans entry to New Mexico was a boundry issue. And California entry was part of Mexico opening the borders.
Face it, many Mexicans enter the United States because they want to be Americans, like their friends and primos, brothers and familia who had already been in the USA. And have no need to return to their land or culture. Americans don't enter Mexico by the millions illegally to where Mexicans find repulse by their tax dollars going to fed, house, school, medicate, foreign residents.
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Mexico started the Mexican War 25 years after becomg a nation, claiming independence in part of what had been New Spain after 300 years. Fighting Spain unrelenting for a decade to become its own nation .
Republic of Mexico was conquered, losing the War to the USA after two years. So looks like Mexico should have fought harder...
Mexico was occupied by the USA which flew the USA flag over Mexico, this no question is conquest. And the USA was in position to take All of Mexico had it wanted to, but chose against it.
What is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico by the USA under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. 25 million dollars was paid to Mexico under two Treaty's for annexed lands. 15 million dollars under the Treaty of GH and 10 million dollars under the Gadson Purchase Treaty. California to Texas were not incorporated as part of Mexico's main during the 25 years SW Mexican Period 1821-1846.
Mexico's border changed numerous times -- 1814 under the Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas were not Mexico. Mexicos border changed under the 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution where Mexico claimed lands remaining in north America -- California, New Mexico, Texas after Louisiana and Florida's New Spain Territories were Treaty'd off by Spain and Texas later 1836 became the Independent Texas Republic before the Mexican War and annexed to the USA, a disputed border. Then other borders were established under the 1848 Treaty of GH and 1852, Mexico sold land to the USA, Gadson Purchase and border was again changed.
What's in Mexicans books that Americanos overlooked... History is history regardless of which side of the border Mexicans side with. Many Mexicans weren't satisfied on the established border which was agreed on between Mexico and USA as some Mexicans felt the border was too far north, excluded from American citizenship. Then other Mexicans claim stolen lands historically unsupported.
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California back to Spain. Spaniards explored by sea routes, 1540 . California was way off in the remote desert wilderness and settled by Spaniards to stamp Spains claim against Russian claim. 275 years later Mexico grabbed the lands from Spain as an unincorporated province, outside of Mexicos main, unable to control or send Mexicans to settle out in the remote uninhabitable desert with warrior unconquered Indians. Easily taken by USA soldiers because there was barely a Mexican soldier in sight, all were still not only south of today's borders but hundreds of miles away on impassable land. Mexico annexed California to the USA after 25 years. Common sensly California is not ancestrally Mexico. If not for USA California would still be out in the wilderness as it had been before European explorations and claims. Mexicans are immigrants to California , it was generally Mexican government officials who headed north to inform a few Spanish colonists they were Mexican citizens under Mexico's constitution and replaced Spains flag with the Mexican flag 1824 during the 24 year Mexican Period. Anglo Americans settlers were already in California with Spains colonists. And a few outsider Mexican soldiers were given Mexican land grants by the Mexican government to encourage settlers, attacked by the Kumeyaay Indians . Mexico is very late in SW history, not until 1824. The USA takes California, subjugates the Indians 1880s and Mexicans begin migration north with USA westward movement. Mexicans are immigrants to California . And have no more claims to California then America settlers who were in California by 1821. Lots of noise over 24 years. California is USA American built by progressive USA. And if, just by some catastrophic event, California had been made into a Mexican state after 1824 and populated and governed by Mexico, it would be a Mexican dump just like the part of El Paso, Texas that became Cuidad Juarez on the Mexican side of the border, Mexicans pouring in on a once remote unpopulated wilderness, Mexicans escaping Juarez for USA. California back, are you kidding. Mexicans would have paid cartels and risked their lives, children and all to escape California...
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And if you go to school and learn history you will learn--
Mexico was conquered by the USA upon which the USA occupied Mexico and flew the USA flag over Mexico. Now that's victory... Throughout world history, the victor takes the spoils, which is inherent in humans DNA.
Mexico's borders changed four times within 30 years from 1) no borders as it was part of New Spain for 300 years and there was no Mexico. 2) under the 1814 Apatzingan 1st constitution, California, New Mexico, Texas which included Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, parts of Wyoming and Oklahoma were not Mexico. 3)1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos which listed Mexico's lands under its new constitution. 4) its new border 1848 under the Treaty of GH. Californios, Nuevomexicanos or Tejanos did not participate with MexicoCitys battles and politics towards Mexican independence. They just one day learned they were mandated Mexican citizenship under a new flag. In fact, the young Mexico nation had patriotic problems throughout the far reaches of independent Mexico including today's Central America, Yucatan and the SW.
What is Mexico today is land returned to Mexico by the USA under the Treaty of GH. Mexico was party to two monetary transactions under two Treaty's 1)15 million dollars under the Treaty of GH describing border, lands and waters. 2) Another 10 million dollars for the Gadsden Purchase Treaty. Stolen lands is a lie. Speaking of Treaty's, Spain did not accept Mexico's independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova and never turned any of its lands over to Mexico under any Treaty describing any transfer of lands. Mexico just grabbed lands under its constitution. So it was Mexico that stole 100% of Spains lands... It's all 19th century documented.
Mexico was a late presence in the far north SW, not until after 1824. Mexico actually crossed the ancient borders of many indigenous northern tribes in California, New Mexico and Texas who never identified as Mexican. In fact under New Spains territories no one identified as Mexican until Mexican citizenship under the 1824 constitution. Spains peoples identified by the territories they were from. Nevertheless Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos were never ancestrally Mexico. Mexico was a Johnnie come late to to SW history as any SW historian and educator should know. Mexico's claim to the SW was barely 25 years, the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. 250 year's the SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821. After 1848 SW Territorial Period followed by USA statehood. You can't spin conquest, Treaty's, 25 million dollars to stolen lands, it's just not common sense. Mexico is no exception to the inborn rules of wars. In fact Mexicans began to look north after USA westward movement in the mid 1800s. If not for the success of the USA as a nation, Mexicans would have no need to covet the neighbors land. As Central America also was once a part of today's Mexico, yet Mexicans have no need for the brotherland who is pennyless and offers nothing for the pockets of the northern neighbors..
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Additionally, the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Kiowa, Pueblo, Chumash, Shasta, Ute plus hundreds of northern tribes are enjoying their ancestral lands in the USA. They never identified as Mexican or mestizo. It was rather Mexico who crossed their inherent borders after 1824. They clashed with Mexico big time. Sonorans and Sinaloans were terrified of the fierce Comanche and Apache who left villages, ranches, mines in shreds. Mexican they were not...
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Liberal priests. What can one say. First of all they should be neutral and not be involved in dirty politics. Their Christian duty is to the word of God; honor, truth, and moral values. Trumps campaign first time around exposed the corruption of the Democrat DC Swamp for years and is being harassed by neurotic Democrats for interference with what they think is their domaine, the government and their power. Biden obvious lies non stop and this is unacceptable to God. Biden is part of the cover-up on his mental decline since his first run against Trump four years ago. Democrat platform media CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, Democrat politicians, elite donors were well aware of the open secret and were part of the lie covering up for Trump and still would be promoting the facade if not for the Trump/ failed Biden debate, exposing Biden for his mental confusion which took place after the Hur Report where Biden upon questioning didn't know his years vice presidency or when his son died, a frail old man with diminished faculties....After the failed debate came chaos among lying Democrat politicians, hiding in the halls of Congress from reporters. Biden is lost on stage, cannot speak coherently without speech writers or teleprompter. Biden may have a dozen rosaries, make his cross sign, all pretensions mentioned by Jesus. He has violated his presidential oath, violated congressional rule and defied the Supreme Court, this is not democracy. On top of this Biden has defied the American people, he wags his mouth on democracy yet his corruption promotes election interference which is anti American and unconstitutional. Biden also has no respect for voter integrity, in fact he opened USA sovereign borders to illegal migrants to overthrow Republicans on election day for the Democrat vote. And this priest defends him.... Jesus admonished paying God's things to God and Caesars things to Cesare. A Christian cannot serve two masters. Biden or this priest have no fear of the Almighty God... the origin lie came from the devil... Trump was a great president, patriot, defender of our constitution republic . Great economy, lower taxes, world peace, protected our sovereign borders, respected on the world scene, negotiated with Mexico on migration, energy independent, built up the military, strengthened NATO and made countries pay their share and defended democracy. Democrats lie and lie and lie , programming Americans against Trump and Republicans, twisting the facts and this priest is party to the lies.
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@Birchsongsltd Because True Blue Democrats are desperate for any puppet after senile Biden. Only those who are uninformed will vote for Harris who was installed undemocratically by Democrat political machine after they stabbed Biden in the back. Biden had the votes, Harris never had one vote. The evidence is overwhelming on Democrat corruption and the DNC was nothing but lies. Harris is not capable and the political bosses are hiding her too as they did with Biden. So far no interviews, no press conferences, no substance. Harris changes her marxist stripes every other day hiding her extreme radical far left record, unacceptable to mainstream America. Trump is Trump. A true patriot who stands up for America; constitution, flag, we the people. Strong and bold. Democrats lie about him day in and day out, brainwashing Americans with none sense--a dictator, a threat to democracy, Social Security, Medicare, Jan 6, a convicted felon, lies and more lies; because he's a threat to their corrupt power. Trump was president and never put anyone in jail. Killed no one except for Iran terrorist Saleimani who wanted to kill Americans. Harris has caused deaths and rapes and crimes to Americans by her open border policy, allowing millions of unvetted migrants illegally enter our sovereign borders , terrorists, gangs, rapists, criminals. And overspending our tax dollars to support them and take American jobs. And Harris has lost 350,000 innocent missing children to Mexican cartels and human traffickers. She is far off from Trumps policies. The fake Democrat media covers up Harris as they did Biden.
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Why is Hillary off the hook. She is not protected under the Presidental Records Act, Trump is.... Democrat's support corruption and are responsible for racism, inflation, human smuggling and criminal cartels controlling our borders, violation of the rule of law, energy dependence, crime, forced vaccines, closing the nation, Fouci covid, over spending, and the list goes on. Your freebie welfare check has been mailed. Enjoy the benefits reaped off Socialist commie Democrat's driving America to the ground. Leave Jordan out, he's not responsible for the corruption.....
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If you want higher taxes and more government regulations, vote Harris. The Democrats are destabilizing the nation, its the plan. Open borders; higher taxes--or confiscation whatever you wish to call it; defund police, easy on crime Democrat DAs , failed economy, millions upon millions of illegal migrants-with drivers licenses permitted, transgender abuse, anti American radical far left Liberal policies promoting cancel culture and denying it because it's not mainstream American; anti Semitic; pro Hamas Palestine-violent demonstrations, burn our flag, deface historical monuments , protesters who hate America, racist DEI identity politics appointees; no freedom for not only women but all Americans forced a vaccine by Biden Harris on their bodies who also forced closing small businesses, schools, churches, unemploying millions American. Vote Harris and kiss American good bye...
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Why, the United States has been a refuge for Mexicans who only look north since the USA conquered Mexico. Had there not been a USA Mexicans could only have escaped south with no where else to go.... Mexicans never had need for the northern uninhabitable desert until the USA took control the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, and hundreds of tribes, it was the US who developed the lands. The tribes never were or identified as Mexican. Your Mexican ancestors dared not come near the northern wilderness before lands became the USA. Land was never yours except for a measly 25 years quasi claimed by the young Mexican government who was defeated. The lands belonged to Spain for 300 years, in fact CA, AZ, NM, TX were not even claimed as provinces in Mexicos first constitution of 1815, too far in anotherworld. Additionally Mexico was still under European yoke until
1860, Europe never allied with Mexicos war against the US. You make a mountain of a molehill over a middle of nowhere desert of which the US paid 25 million dollars. Grow up and read a history book. You can't claim lands back that were never historically yours to begin with. Parts of Central America were barely claimed by Mexico also, get your nuclear bombs pointing to your south as well, oh but Central America is not the hand that feeds you , lol.... plain hypocrisy.... Mexico stole the lands from Spain, and young mexico never had control or strength, support, patriotism, decency or hold to keep those barren isolated lands annexed by the USA after 25 years. CA and SW are not claiming Mexico or crying over it because they weren't Mexican to begin with.
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I can vote for Trump because he was a successful president with true spirit for America. Patriot, Bold, and Competent and proven so. Protected out borders, stay in Mexico policy, had a great economy, made foreign countries pay their due, lowered taxes, maintained world peace, is a diplomat, knows how to negotiate, for starters. Harris is nothing but trouble, unless your head is buried in the sand, voters are aware she promotes defunding police, promotes open borders with criminal activity -- Mexican cartels and smugglers running our borders- bringing in unvetted criminals like terrorists, gangs, human traffickers- Harris is responsible for 350,000 innocent missing children. Plus illegal migrants attacking our police, murdering and raping American women. If you think Mexican drug lords are sick for lacing candy with fetonol fir our children, then Harris must be just as sick for allowing them our border for almost four years. She is spending our hard earned tax dollars on illegal migrants and bankrupting our Social Security and Medicare funds on them while they are taking Americans jobs. She allows illegal foreigners to vote and is anti American. Unlike Trump, she supports them over Americans. She's responsible for overspending and bad economy, she lied to America by telling us Biden was sharp as a tac, hiding the fact that he was not in charge of his mental faculties, she influenced Facebook censorship of free speech, all for starters as VP which doesn't even include her record in California as DA as prosecutor. She's an extreme left wing politician with radical marxist policies which she's trying to hide because they don't fit mainstream Americans. She's trying to win the election with her personally. If you believe the fake smile and campaign friendlyness, your head is buried in the sand, she's obviously toxic and 90% of her VP staff has split. She has proven ineffective as Vice President.
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Vote Trump, He stands up for America. Bold, patriotic and has spirit, a proven president. Great economy, world peace, diplomat, respected by world leaders, closed borders, stay in Mexico policy, lowered taxes,
Harris is an extreme far left radical polical marxist whose policies she's trying to hide because they don't serve mainstream Americans. Defunding police, against cracking, wide open border policy which promotes illegal criminal Mexican cartels and smugglers activity. Permits entry of unvetted terrorists, gangs, criminals into our borders, murdering and raping Americans and attacking our police. Human trafficking -- Harris responsible for 350,000 innocent missing children. And if you think Mexican cartels lacing candy for our children with fentenol is sick, Harris maybe is sick for allowing permitting criminal activity. Trump is not responsible for any deaths, killed no one but terrorist Saleimani who was out to kill Americans.
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Wars had no rules. 25 years was nothing. The lands were Spains for 300 years. Poor looser over what... Nothing was taken, Chihuahuas and. Sonorans still had their lands, the US didn't want em. The border was hundreds miles out in the middle of nowhere wilderness. Californios, Nuevo Mexicanos and Tejanos still had their lands. And the Navaho, Apache, Ute, Comanche , Mohave, Chumash, Kiowa, Piaut plus other northern tribes hated Mexico on their inherent lands.
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Mexico's independence would have then been questionable by your line of thought. Spain was involved in a war in Europe with France, simultaneously lost Florida to the US-Adams Onis Treaty, lost parts of South America, and battling some of New Spains southern territories, todays central Mexico. Spain was putting its energies and financial resources in Europe as France invaded Spain, and its intent was to regain its New Spain Territories in north America left over after Florida and Louisiana. Spain rejected Mexican independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. There was no Treaty between Spain and Mexico on transfer of any lands. Despite, Mexico claimed its lands under its constitution of 1824 and declared its citizens Mexican. And battles continued between Spain and Mexico for another decade. Had there been no independence, there would have been no Mexico and no Mexican War. Mexico was in the same situation as Spain. Too much, enormous territory , distant lands, uncontrolled, unconquered Indians, unfinanced, unpopulated unincorporated wilderness. Spain was even willing to permit Americans land grant settlers in Texas, of which Mexico allowed. It was no longer the 16th century. The 19th century was Spains loss as a world power and her lands shrinking in America, the US was expanding territories and moving westward. While Spain has a sisterhood with today's SW as historically part of Spanish America, Spain has put her American lands to rest. Its all under the bridge.
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More to your point and historically correct and stands to reason. Because "Mexico" stands for the mexica Aztec tribes. Their valley was renamed Mexico City by Spain, New Spain was separate territories and Mexico City was in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory. New Spain a caste system by Spain; Peninsulares were born in Spain, crillos were Spaniards born in New Spain, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. There were many non Aztec tribes from everywhere except Mexico City or Kingdom of Mexico Territory who did not identify as mexico, from other territories as Galacia, Yucatan, Nuevo Leon , Navarra, California, etc. Mexican was a much later identity except for those from Mexico City also referred to as valley of Mexico. Spain identified New Spains population by territorial location, not Mexico or Mexicans. For example, 1682 Diego DeVargas brought " Espanoles Mexicanos" as settlers in northern New Mexico, in the Territory of New Mexico, These were subjects of Colonial New Spain from "Mexico City" home to mexica Aztecs. They were Españoles from the mexica Aztec Territory. When Juan de Onate arrived in New Mexico 1598 he mentioned coming from New Spain. Mexico or Mexican is hardly heard of in Colonial New Spain. Genealogical Catholic birth records of that era are documented as born in New Spain or Spain, Españoles, mestizo. Not Mexican. During the 1810 political dynamics between New Spain and Spain "Mexico" was in its beginning but not inclusive of all New Spain. It was Mexico City and surrounding areas battling for independence from Spain. "Mexico's" first attempt towards independence, in its first constitution 1815, the far north, California, New Mexico and Texas New Spain territories are not Mexico. Even the Rio Grande tributaries did not sustain what is today Mexico or any Aztec tribe. The waters barely reached the outer edge of Chihuahua..
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@xavi4694 're conflating Spain with Mexico. Parts of New Spain ended in 1821 with a new Republic. Ending the relationship with Spain who n ever came to Mexicos rescue during the Mexican War. In fact Texas, New Mexico , California never participated with Mexico City in Mexicos independence or were part of Hidalgos, Guerrero or Itebudes politics. Upon Mexico's first attempt at independence, California, Texas, New Mexico were not included as Mexico in the first 1815 constitution. New Spain was far and wide, many territories, many tribes, from north America to Cuba,Caribbeans, Phillipines plus. Never under one nation. All separated from Spain in there own time. Mexicans are citizens from Mexico since 1821, and their ancestors were not from California, New Mexico or Texas. The Anglo American settlers in the territories of California a n d New Mexico by 1821, and Texas 1830. It was Mexican officials, by government business, who transplanted north after independence, mandated Mexican citizenship. No Mexican settlements out in the remote wilderness by the young Republic. Heck, there weren't even Mexicans to battle Americans at war time. Mexico had to import soldiers.... Until after the Mexican War Mexicans outsiders migrated to the border areas , setting up Mexican settlements, interestingly after US Army quelled the dangerous unconquered SW Indians and set them up in reservations. So no , the United States SW was never home to Mexicans, not to conflate with SW Spanish Colonial settlers who had made the remote north their homeland since 1598, fighting the likes of Ute, Navaho, Apache, Comanche, toiling the harsh environment for survival. Mexico was just a temporary Johnnie come late 1821, government officials left 1848 and any patriotism, if any, waned after this. Spain left its stamp, not Mexico... Its only because of the progressive USA, Mexicans look only to the north...
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Mexico claimed the land only 25 years prior to the Mexican War, under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos 1824 constitution. Under Mexico's first 1814 constitution of Apatzingan, CA, NM/AZ, TX were not Mexico. Mexico just barely a nation in 1846. Spain did not recognize Mexican independence and Spains Crown refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova 1821. So there was no Treaty of land transfers. You're making a mountain of a molehill, 25 years is nothing, and the annexed lands were not ancestrally Mexico. Additionally, Mexicans ancestral roots are not in today's USA. Mexicans migrated to border areas after the Mexican War with the USA westward movement. Not to be conflated with SW Spanish Colonial settlers who had been in the SW for centuries, most chose to stay in the USA homeland under the Treaty of GH. The USA is what attracted Mexicans to the north. They were a desert barren wilderness, uninhabited for centuries with northern tribes roaming the wilderness. The SW population, descendants of SW settlers are still there along with the indigenous tribes and are not complaining over annexed territories. It's some outsider Mexican factions who cry over lands never theirs to begin with...
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@slowmojo9355 . Why stop with the SW, the nomadic Amerindian has DNA connected to Asia, that's where it all started. Who really knows or cares how many centuries ago. Appears through the centuries they split up, as human nature has it, became enemies and belonged to the different tribes they had become when the European found them. Nomads, who knows where they would be today if not for European intervention. Different language origins as well as religion. Aztec have pyramids, priests and similar religious practice to Egyptians? And icons with African features totally unrelated to the SW? Culturally the SW Indians are very different from the Aztec, Mayan and South American natives. Civilizations have been around for centuries and there's no going back to where one started which would be Mesopotamia. SW Indians came from further up north, no one knows when, were likely chased off and have no desire to claim or go back to wherever that was in what is today America. The SW Indians are basically still where they were 500 years ago. Which tribe would have wiped out or chased off another never happened because of the European. One thing for sure is the SW tribes had claims to the SW lands 500 years ago regardless of what had happened centuries earlier. Today they are proud of their tribal heritage and lands, over time have become United States Americans resulting from the American nations created after 1776.
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@isaiasflores3250 And the Republic of Mexico 1824 crossed the borders of the Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Mohave, Chumash, Shasta, Piaute, Caddo tribes etc lasting barely 25 years Mexican Period, and these tribes let Mexico know it by battling the Mexican Iintruders on their indigenous lands. These there neither Mexican or United States American tribes in 1846. They were oiu in the middle of nowhere. And whose borders did Mexico cross, Spains. Mexico was a Jonny come late to the far north 1824, strangers to the lands and the people, known as estranjeros.
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@raulelenes4194 Rubbish, how could they be part of Mexico for 300 years when there was no Mexico until the 1800s. In fact upon "Mexicos" first attempt at independence, CA, NM/AZ, TX far north New Spain territories were not included in "Mexicos" 1814 first constitution, according to reliable research. The northern territories were in another world... Texas had been claimed by France for a time and California was claimed by Russia., according to research. In fact Anglo Americans had settled California, New Mexico by 1821 and Spain was in negotiations with M Austin to land grant Texas to Americans prior to Mexican independence which became a republic. Under the Republic of Mexico, settled by Anglo Americans who were in TX before Mexicans. According to research. TX, CA, NM/ AZ Spanish Colonial settlers were not involved in Mexico City's or other parts of New Spain territories in the political dynamics against Spain and never joined forces with the likes of Hidalgo, Guerrero, Interbide etc or involved in independence from Spain. They were way off in the disconnected isolated north, different tribes, peoples, politics, history, culture, according to history. New Spain became the first Mexican Empire 1821 claiming far off lands with no connection to the young Republic except they had all been parts of New Spain for three centuries. Claimed by Mexico, and still unincorporated for 25 years. Historically people from Chihuahua or Sonora and to the south, today's Mexico, its then Mexican citizens of the south, by the new constitution, had no roots in California or SW and lost no lands, they are still were they settled before the Mexican War of 1846. It was after the Mexican War when Mexicans stared looking to the north after the US Army overtook the unconquered CA and SW Indians and put them in reservations. Prior to the 1880s those lands were uninhabitable and dangerous. If there had been no USA or prosperity in the isolated wilderness up north, Mexicans could only head south after PanchoVillas Revolution with no USA for refuge, , after all parts of Central America had once been part of Mexico, having no need for the young Republic of Mexico after independence, just like TX, CA, NM/AZ. Yes, Spain had sparsely populated the very isolated northern territories of New Spain; New Mexico, Texas and California since 1598-1770, documented as Spanish colonizers by Spain, at a time when there was no "Mexico" except for the Kingdom of Mexico Territory in Mexico City, land of the mexica Aztec, according to research -- just one of the many Territories under New Spain which were far and wide, each identified by territory by Spain, also governed a n d financed by Spain for 300 years. Spain had claimed each Territory, separately, each had its history, tribes, culture and colonizers according to history. It did not become New Spain in one day, New Spain was a compilation of new land discoveries over decades of exploration and land claims according to research. Novohispanos ( European colonizers from Spain) where ever that term came from, historically each had their own territorial claims to anywhere America where they settled, and never were one nation, dispursed throughout from, California to Florida, Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines, today's Mexico, Central and South America according to research. In fact most don't even identify as hispanos or Hispanic except in the United States, a 1970s US Census Bureau government identity for those from Spanish speaking countries according to research. Most identify to their country of origin and many don't even have Spanish blood.... So the young Republic of Mexico, barely a nation in 1821, quasi claimed the northern territories, yet Mexico during its brief claim, the historical 25 year SW Mexican Period, did not colonize, conquer the Indians or provide any assistance or infrastructure according to research. It wasn't until about 1880s when Mexicans began Mexican settlements in border areas in the wilderness deserts to the north all Mexicans are immigrants to the USA and historically never shared an inherent land with the Navaho, Comanche, Pueblo, Mohave, Ute, Piaut, Kiowa, Caddo, Chumash, Shasta, and the tribal list goes on..... which is a whole different story. In fact, it was the Spanish colonizers and French from New Mexico, California and Texas, Louisiana, Florida, if any, who had contact with these tribes according to research. Conflicts wars in South America created borders, same with Central America. Same with USA and Mexico. 25 years that the Republic of Mexico claimed the SW and CA, lost the War, does not give Mexicans a right to the USA any more than any Latin American claiming rights to Mexico or any other Latin country of which they are not citizens. Historically Wars make borders. Interestingly no one native from the SW or CA homeland, be they tribes or Spanish settlers are crying over 25 years claimed by Mexico, these territories were never historically Mexico, or even patriotic to the Republic, they basically had been in the middle of nowhere during Spains control and closer to the United States as it gained control of the west.
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@raulelenes4194 Oh yah, and you say a whole lot of nothing. To begin with, novohispano is a political Mexican term which is not mentioned in historical documentation. Spain classified New Spain peoples as Peninsulares, crillos, mestizo, Indio, mulatto. There is a clear distinction between the 300 years Spains era New Spain. ( New Spain was not only today's Mexico of many Territories within-Galicia, Nuevo Leon, Yucatan, Sonora, to name a few; but also California to Florida, Pacific Coast to today's Canada, Cuba, parts of today's LatinAmerica, Caribbeans, Phillipines, plus). And the Mexican era, todays Mexico, on native lands discovered by Spain, Spain identified as territories, not identified as Mexico. Under Mexico's 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution and flag, the people of the land became Mexican citizens. No longer under Spains governance, flag, finances, influence or power. Since the 1500s Indigenous lands were explored to become America, claimed by Europeans as territories or colonies to later on beginning 1700s become nations, first colonies became the USA, a few decades later territories became Mexico, the land had always existed but nations were later established on Indigenous lands. It's clear that parts of New Spain became Estados Unidos Mexicanos , Mexico, just as the New England colonies became the United States of America. Canada became a nation as did Central and South America nations after three hundred years. Before and after the Mexican War, parts of New Spain became the USA-all these are historical events. You are putting words in my mouth as well as misinterpreting what I stated or not a very good reader. .. I am well aware that that SPAIN named the many Territories and towns in the 16th C as California, Nuevo Mexico was a combination of Spain and aztec Mexico for hopes of new treasures as were plentiful in MexicoCity, Texas was derived from the Caddo tribes, Santa Barbara, San Gabriel, San Antonio, la villa de la santa fe de San Francisco de Assi-Santa Fe, Los Angeles, San Diego, Socorro, El Paso, San Idefonso, Florida, words clearly with origins in SPAIN not Mexico, named under Spains monarchal ruling powers. Not to mention the many native names which never changed... Spain does not record Mexican presence in its documents pertaining to its territories as there was no Mexico in the 1500, 1600 or 1700s. The only reference to "Mexico" was the Aztec valley of Mexico, pertaining to the mexica tribes, Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain. Hundreds of tribes in New Spain were not mexica Aztec. If Spain had not renamed the influencal region "Mexico City" (Tenochtitlan) in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory (central Mexico today), being the seat of Spains viceroy representing all parts of New Spain far and wide, who knows what Mexico would be called today. The renaming was influenced by Spain.... what if the English or France had claimed the lands, there's a far chance they'd have named the Aztec valley Mexico City... Genealogical Church documentation from that era also does not record Mexico or Mexican. Rather the priests recorded Español or mestizo with birth in New Spain or Spain.
Because of distance, isolation and unconquered warrior Indians, under Spains ruling, there was little Spanish Colonial presence in California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas. Spain was unable to make roads to connect trade from SW into New Orleans because of the dangerous Comanche. These territories were populated by Spains monarchal ruling system, basically as outposts to ward off French and Russian intrusion. These territories were very distant, dangerous and travel was restricted with military journey and typically only once annually for over two hundred years, so few came or left. The culture was not mestizo as in Latin America because most Indians were unconquered, raided villages, and lived separate from the Spanish. The majority of Indians were 100% Indian blood. The Pueblo tribes were Catholized early on and a handful of Apache, Comanche or other later converted or spoke Spanish but any Anglo among Spanish speakers also spoke Spanish. The Comanche after defeat under NM Territory governor 1770, even had a pact with the NM Spanish. Still standing during the following century, during the brief Mexican Period as unpatriotic New Mexicans refused to ally with the Mexican army against the Comanche.
You conflate Mexico with Spain, and Mexicans (citizens of Mexico 1821) with SW Spanish populations. And just barely scratch the surface of SW history. The Spanish colonists had been in California, NM , TX starting in 1598 being the inherent homeland while Mexicans are new comer immigrants who migrated after the Mexican War and want to rewrite SW history with political terms like chicano, Hispanic, latino, raza, novohispano in attempts to Mexicanize the north. Mexico government was a Johnny come late 1800s in the far north. It was basically Mexican officials who transplanted to the north after independence and were well gone after the War. Given that Mexico mandated Mexican "citizenship" on the SW AFTER independence from Spain, patriotism was flimsy in the distant north territories and the population accepted US citizenship, forgot the 25 years of Mexican quasi governance. Most especially in northern NM who were not influenced by Mexican influx in the 19th and 20th centuries don't consider themselves Mexican American as their non immigrant Spanish Colonial ancestors had been in the SW homeland for over two centuries, it was they who toiled the SW soil, fought off the warrior Indians, struggled for survival, guarded the borders, spyed on the French up to Nebraska, preserved Spains heritage on the land upon the signing of G H Treaty..
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@andonlytheone111 it's not bigotry. It's history that the radical left wing, Democrat's, judges an ancient psychic and violent world with modern day lens. The right wing, Republicans, believes history cannot be changed or covered over by trying to destroy an era of discovery, explorations, conquest, wars, founders, noted settlers, heros and new nations. While, in todays world, protecting life, liberty, conservative values, the US Constitution and US flag; and support for Putins communist regime doesn't even come close to common sense, it's every right wings belief that when US Americans fear government, tyranny has taken over. Obviously the left have the audacity to lie about Republicans while blaming Republicans for messes the left commits.
Life was never utopia ANYWHERE, and slavery, violence, wars and conquest existed EVERYWHERE for centuries, so these acts of human brutally was here before the European conquest. Who is Mexico to think they are some special species immune from centuries of typical human greed, power and new borders. THERE WERE NO RULES FOR WAR. The Mexican War, loss of land by conquest was nothing new under the sun. The right wing believes in education; while the left wing is dead set on socialist indoctrination for over half a century now, promoting racism and destroying the fundamentals of USA democracy. The Klu Klax Klan were Democrat's. It was also the Democrat's who promoted slavery. Speaking of bigots, why point to the USA, the Republic of Mexico 1821 was founded on racism. The Peninsulares looked down at the mestizos, while the mestizos looked down at the indio.... And all Mexicans hated the gringo, be they left or right. Oh, and all were so called Christians..... And there is plenty of greed and evil in Mexico. The dictorial government has never been for and by the people; and the government confiscated and is still confiscating native lands. And where is the corrupt governments protection for the people against the dangerous cartels..... Think man, THINK.
The Mexican War had nothing to do with racism, war was started by Mexico over a land dispute. The lands annexed, for 25 million dollars, weren't even historically Mexico's. 25 years earlier they were taken from Spain or to your indoctrinization "stolen" so stop the victim mentality. The only thing you're a victim of is woke culture indoctrination where you're told what to think....
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Texas had been French territory, mostly Spains territories , only Mexican Territory for 15 years. Texas is derived from the Louisiana Caddo tribe. 18th, 1900th centuries had been land disputes among Spain, Russia, Great Britain, purchases, treaties, borders changes. New nations, disputes, war. Historical events is a result of where we are today....
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The USA used good judgement for not taking all of Mexico. Indigenous have always been warriors and attacked violently against enemy tribes. Racism among them was never a problem, the problem was inherent tribes. Any Mexican Indian knows their ancestral tribe, which are not Comanche, Navajo, Mohave, Piaute, Ute, Shasta Cherokee, Caddo, Pueblo, Chumash etc, northern tribes . A united North America, impossible, the nature of man. Today's laws are what keep today's society somewhat in order. As far as racism, humans tend to stick to their kind, their culture, their tribe, yet tolerate "they" the other. The USA is a melting pot, the Democratic party is foremost in racism. and partisan politics is far from promoting unity. Forget Mexico, it's roots are deep seated in racism. There was never utopia, man's nature is greed, but you can dream on...
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Mexican is a citizenship under Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution of 1824. Mexican is not a race or ethnicity.... After Mexican independence it was Mexican officials who went to the very distant north to claim its new citizens and replace Spains flag with Mexicos. Unwelcome with rebellion. Todays SW, was claimed by Mexico for only 25 years. The SW was too distant a desert wilderness with American settlers since 1821 that Chihuahuans or Sinolas were not interested in during the 25 year SW Mexican Period. Mexico lost the Mexican American War after two years. Under the Treaty of GH it was the native SW population, descendants of the 250 yr Spanish Colonial Period, the SW their northern homeland who were given the privilege to stay in the homeland, become American citizens. Todays south of the borderans do not have roots in anywhere USA, Their ancestors were from today's Mexico and they have no more rights into the USA than any other immigrant. New Spain had many Territories, separated by distance, geography, tribes, history, culture. After over two centuries America became nations after a history of discovery, land claims by Spain, Russia, France, England. Settlements, land disputes, battles, revolutions, independence, treaties, land purchases, war, conquests, new borders,
treaties, borders. Historical events pretty much put people's where they are today after many centuries of migration. And nations today have sovereign borders, and immigration laws.
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@markhockman1368 You call lies, deflating, not answering "mopping the floor." Lol. Democrats immediately knew she lost the debate and she needed another debate which Trump refused because he hit debate home runs twice, against Biden and Harris and didn't need a third debate. It took Harris forever to interview and she needed her security blanket, Walz at CNN who basically asked about ice cream. Then CBS 60 Minuets was edited and re edited after it aired, so no one knows what the interview was about. No such favors for Trump on Democrat interviews. Then Harris is intentionally 17 minutes late for FOX, tried her dirty politics -- mad as a feral dog, lied, deflated, gave herself undo credit, refused to answer, blamed Trump for everything. But the journalist was on top of her game and managed to counter her, and put her on the spot, 79% Americans feel Harris is on the wrong track, while her team was rushing Baier to end interview and get her the heck out of rough territory. No wonder she backed off the one hour FOX interview. She simple couldn't handle 25 minutes much less an entire hour. It's Trump who is mopping the floor while Harris is desperately pandering, making herself over this way and that. She's just not charismatic, she's obviously hateful, extreme radical left wing cancel culture WOKE cult marxist, and not mainstream America. Nobody cares for her middle class family, and dreams to unburden by aspirations and hope inspired by burdens nonsense but m o r o n s impressed with her crap.
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Texas became an independent Republic, neither Mexican or American. Texas later became part of the USA, no longer a republic, creating conflict on the Treaty of Limits which stared the War. 1700s disputed land was typical among Great Britain, USA, Spain, France, Russia--all sorts of treaties. Adams Onis Treaty was between Spain and the United States, had nothing to do with Mexico. Spain had expected to regain its lands after disputes with New Spain. And didn't sign the Treaty of Cordova. The Treaty of Limits was to clarify USA and Mexicos border, both nations piggybacking on the Adams Onis Treaty border. Texas Republic situation was neither here or there on the Treaty and the rest is history. Wars had no rules until WWII. The United States conquered Mexico and both nations agreed to the GH Treaty, purchase, border. With an additional Gadsden Purchase after the War..
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This sounds like speculation. Mexico was offered a buyer and refused; and Mexico could have refused the Austins American settlers initiated by Spain. Manifest Destiny was the desire. But conflicts with- in Mexico and Mexico destroying its constitution lead to the Alamo. In war, who's to say, anyone can win. All in all, the territories were not Mexico, historically, or even culturally or politically, and it was in the territories best interest to become US American. They were out in the middle of nowhere , the US had a vision for the land and Mexico was unable to control central Mexico much less the isolated distant north .. Mexicans lost nothing, they remained in their ancestral homelands in Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa. The border was out in the wilderness unpopulated desert except for roaming warrior tribes. While the Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos remained in their homeland. And the northern unconquered Indians never acknowledged Mexico..
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Indians were nomads even at European intervention. Apache came from the north as the Navaho and have a commonality in the athabaskan language all the way to Alaska. Tribal brothers they were not. Apache tribes may have had genetic ties to Sonora, Talmahura , Sinaloa tribes who may have spoken the same language to a lesser degree but as for the Apache from what is today NewMexico, Comanche and Kiowa tribes, battled tribes into El Paso, Chihuahua, Durango, Sonora, Yaqui lands, killing pillaging and scalping until at least 1860. Indians all over north America for centuries banded into different enemy tribes and never were one indigenous nation or identified as as Mexican, American or Canadian, they identified to their tribes, Nations were formed, borders made boundaries, and they came under a national government and flag. Nomadic Indians just happened to be where they were when Europe came, 1500/1600s and who knows where they'd be today if not for the European . Exterminated nothing.... USA Indians today are sovereign nations, USA tribes get ridiculous amounts of federal funding annually, reparations to no end, protected under USA federal laws, Indian Acts and never had it so good. So I kinda think they'd be at a great disadvantage as Mexican Indians whom the government of Mexico continues to take their lands, to date. Which Jews in Germany have been gifted reparations? The truth is history is human violent atrocities for centuries. Had it not been the English, Spanish, French during the era of exploration, discovery, land claims and conquest. The Russian, Chinese or another nation would've done the same. In fact, the outnumbered European Spaniards conquered Montezuma because of enemy tribes who allied with Cortez. Many Pueblo tribes begged the Spanish to return after the 1680 Revolt for fear of the Apache and Navaho. Later the brown Comanche, were the superior tribe with no mercy and feared by all, would have exterminated the Pueblo of New Mexico if not for European Spaniard intervention. No utopia anywhere, and Indians would never go back to a stone age existence. Why judge a 16th century psyche with modern day lens. Justify history, no, but atrocities happened and no one, not even the Indians would want to return to their country of origin. Where would most go with centuries of migration land and sea. No one is really "native" in America. Historical events is where each of us is at today. Why cry over the past, we didn't even know our ancestors and all of us are descendants of slaves and lords over many centuries... Justify history, no. Anglo-Saxon USA founders knew how to create a great nation under democracy for and by the people, today all are equal under the law after a bumpy history, for this the world is piled up at our borders, illegally gaining entry to the racist white mans world.
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Trumps hair is nothing. He can stand on his own and respected by world leaders, stands up for America. Unlike puppet Biden who doesn't know where he's at, who he's talking to, mumbles incoherent so called speeches, stumbles and falls, can't find his way off the stage, can't face reporters, and looks like he just wandered away from the nursing home. The world is laughing. Bidens speech today on the Judicial system was garbage. Biden is above the law. And will not be held to the courts for illegally taking government documents because his an old man, the law doesn't apply to him. And the rule of law under the Democrat's watch looks the other way on his money laundering of twenty some million dollars, open borders, economy, cartels, smugglers, human trafficking, crime and the list goes on. Trump made his money asca businessman. Biden, Pelosi, Clinton went to DC broke and are multi millionaires off your tax dollars. You are very innocent...
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@wilebaldoalvarez The United States offered 25 million dollars which Mexico rejected before the War. the United States interest was Manifest Destiny, from Atlantic to Pacific seas, and also the railroad, not gold. The US accomplished their goal after the War. Regardless, the gold was in California, whether or not who knew what or did not know or where. The War started in Texas, by Mexico over disputed land, miles away from California, where the gold was . The United States won over New Mexico without a battle, then the US headed towards California where there was not much opposition except for a couple of small battles, the Mexican army was brought in from Mexico. If the United States knew of the gold, it coincided with the Mexican War. But there is no documentation. As in any war, the victor takes the spoils be it minerals or land. But gold was not the cause of the War. Just the final prize after the conquest.
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If MSNBC didn't lie so much, you might believe half of what they say. They criticize Trump endlessly, speculate and believe their own lies. On the other hand, viewers don't get the real Biden on MSNBC. They cover him endlessly so their viewers have no idea who theyre voting for thinking Biden is incredible. While he is nowhere near capable like Trump, regardless of Trumps inperfect human faults as having too big a mouth, good for him. Says it like it. No politics correct hogwash.
All Americans survived his successful presidency, until Fuchis covid. Trump was no dictator, no racist, no jail, no inflation, no forced vaccines with threats, no illegal migrants breaking through our sovereign borders, no giving Americans tax payer dollars to foreign interests including illegal migrants, no falsely accusations, no election interference, no wandering off the stage, no incoherent mumbled speeches, no shaking hands with no one, no mental impairment, no falling on Airforce One stairs, no Afghanistan disaster, never one be disrespected on the world scene, no one pushed him around, unlike Biden who tells he will get in trouble. Trump donated his salary to charity, Biden got rich off the American government. MSNBC has no truth and no conscience.
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@quarefremeruntgentes This is ridiculous, historically speaking. Spain did not recognize its Spanish Colonial settlers as Mexican. Spains caste system was Peninsulares, born in Spain; crillos, children or offspring of Peninsulares born in New Spain; mestizo , mixed European and Indian, mulatto, of black mix.... but no Mexican. New Spain Catholic Church records from the Colonial era document those baptized/marriage/deaths in Spain or New Spain as Españoles, mestizo, Indio. But not Mexican.
You are totally way off in New Mexico , founded by Spain under J de Onate, a crillo Spaniard, establishing San Gabriel 1598 in northern NM and first capital in todays USA by Spanish settlers under Spains rule; ten years later the capital was moved to la villa de la santa fe de San Francisco de Assi, known as la villa or Santa Fe, back in 17, 18th centuries. All of this wording came from Spain, not the New World. 1680 the Pueblo Revolt and the Spanish were exciled away from the indigenous Pueblo Indians territories in northern NM after 80 years by the Indians, to uncolonized El Paso which was in New Mexico in the 1600s. El Paso was abandoned after the northern NM settlers left and was not in Texas at that time. These same Spanish colonists returned back to northern NM twelve years later under Gov Don Diego De Vargas from Spain in 1692 during which New Mexico was reconquered, resettled; with colonists, governors, towns, agriculture, vineyards, herds, European culture, soldiers, Church, Spanish land grants even awarded to conquered Pueblo Indian tribes. So to date, descendants of Spanish settlers have been in northern New Mexico for over 400 years, today USA. And non immigrants , rather are in their homeland.... The oldest continued USA government building, Palace of the Governor is in Santa Fe, the oldest annual festival in today's USA is in Santa Fe, la Fiesta de Santa Fe in honor of northern New Mexico patron saint, La Conquistadora, who returned with the Spanish after the Revolt. These were Peninsular or crillo governors and governed and controlled by the Crown of Spains viceroy in New Spain Mexico City, as well as all other many New Spain territories-- territories of California, Texas, Nueva Galacia, Nuevo Leon, Nuevo Estramadura, Mexico, Yucatan, Navarra , Cuba, today's Central America, Caribbeans, Philippines, Louisiana to Florida, etc. They all were governed in Mexico City by Spain and the viceroy.
New Mexico just one territory of many in New Spain, the Kingdom of NM was populated by Spanish settlers during the SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821; followed by the very brief 26 year Mexican Period 1821-1846, Mexican citizenship; to become 1848 US Territorial Period and US citizens going into statehood 1912. There was no Mexican or Mexico until 1821 under Mexico's 1824 constitution of Estados Unidos Mexicanos. All citizens became "Mexican" in 1824, in what became the Republic of Mexico, including Anglo settlers who lived in the young Mexico... This isn't history 101, it's 6th grade history. And there is significant documentation by Spain on New Spain historical records during the 300 years Spanish Colonial era housed in museums and libraries in Spain, Mexico City, Santa Fe. The only "Mexico" when Spain invaded in what they named Vera Cruz 1519 was a couple hundreds miles inland, Tenochtitlan, Aztec Montezumas kingdom, renamed "Mexico City" by Spain. Tenochtitlan was mexica Aztec territory or valley of Mexico, limited to what is central Mexico today, Spain named this territory Mexico, (a no brainer as it was Aztec mexica territory) surrounded by many other territories. All claimed by Spain, one by one after each exploration over several decades. Aztec were basically Indians, not Mexicans... your Mexican version, probably taught by Chicano Studies history revionists, is totally upside down, inside out. By the way, Mexicans were not colonists in New Spain Spanish era, 1525 historically speaking, the European Spanish Peninsulares/crillos were the colonists..... The Aztec mexica indigenous were not in control of anything, Spain was the political rule, Church, finances, infrastructure, government, horses, weapons, settler. Not Mexicans...
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@defenestratefalsehoods I've yet to see any videos on Trumps taking a wrong turn, it's not uncommon to do this occasionally, but Biden, well he's another story. I don't care how many turns Trump took, he was an effective president. The American public and journalists ate still waiting for a way overdue President's first Press Conference and address unbiased journalists who have questions for President Biden. Hello --where the heck is he. He has alot to answer for to "we the people" and we're not getting answers. Crisis and fraud at the border along with CoVID illegals are bringing, school openings, job losses, and 80,000 CoVID deaths under Biden Harris administration. Biden Harris have done no more or much less than Trump to address CoVID. To name a few... Biden is weak, and the world is watching, ah, oh laughing.
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Displaced, how..... Under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo; California, New Mexico/Arizona, and Texas were permitted to stay in the homeland , live where they had always lived , many for centuries, and became US citizens under the US Territorial system or US statehood. The Indians from these territories were subjugated by the US government and today most hold their sovereign lands under the US Federal laws. The people south of the border in Sonora, Sinaloa, under the same Treaty, stayed under the Mexican goverenment as they had been for 25 years 1821-1846, always been there for centuries before the Mexican War, and not protected as US citizens because they did not become US citizens under GH Treaty. Does no good to conflate US citizens with Mexican citizens. No one south of the border was displaced by the US government...
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That's Biden all right. Biden has turned our sovereign borders over to Mexican cartels and smugglers. Democrat blue cities are disgusted by Bidens turning over shelters, food stamps, let's just say American resources to illegal migrants, while Americans are ignored. Biden has systematically violated the Presidental Oath defying rule of law and constitution, pretending to save democracy and the constitution. Do your fact checking.
Trump loves America and is a true patriot. He is super strong on the world stage in America's interest. He made the wall protecting America, he reduced our taxes, USA had a great economy, low unemployment. He stood up to Korea, China, Russia, Mexico and terrorism. Biden is no match and is the greatest lier and tops as worst USA president ever .
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Rubbish. Ancient Mexico was in Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain, for the mexica tribes, Their lands were approx 350 Sq miles, known by Spaniards as the valley of Mexico. Surrounded by many enemy tribes living outside of mexica lands, today's central Mexico. . Spain explored from Vera Cruz, Mayan tribes, into today's Mexico, to Kansas in today's USA for over four decades and knew the many tribes. Just a very small fraction were Aztec. The Aztec neighboring tribes were enemy tribes who allied with Spain to defeat the Aztec. The Aztec in today's central Mexico are connected to Central America tribes in culture--arts, religion, language. And even South America. The tribes in the Gulf as Karenkara came from the Caribbeans, and totally unrelated to Aztecs culturally. The Pacific Coast tribes are connected to Polynesia, Apache and Navaho and a skew of tribes in the SW are from way up north Alaska. Indians were nomads for centuries, not necessarily from Asia through the Bering Strait. Humans have migrated for many centuries to what is today America by land and sea. Never one people or one nation, rather enemies battling and conquering lands for resources. Many were still nomads when the European arrived and just happened to be where they were when the European intervened. Some were advanced and had rich civilizations. The Apache had arrived to today's SW just before the Spaniard and Comanche from the north a century after the Spaniard.
There was no nation of Mexico until 1821. Spain took the indigenous lands which became Mexico after three centuries. Mexican is not a race. Mexican is a citizenship from today's Mexico. A Mexican is many peoples from Europe, Africa, Asia, Middle East ,etc and natives...The lands are no longer the 15th century, grow up, get over it and do yourself a favor and read a couple of history books...
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Bidens mental decline is news to many Democrats who are gaslighted by CNN. MSNBC, ABC, CBS spewing lies that right wing media edited clips which show his decline. No edits, just lies. Very recently in France, Italy, and much earlier Biden falling on Airforce One stairs, falling on stage unable to get up, mumbling incoherently, shaking hands with nobody, lost on stage, and totally lost during the debate without teleprompter and speech writers threatened by Trump. Fake media unable to cover for Biden with all to see the real Biden, unedited just as the rest of all other clips. Biden lied on police and border security endorsements, military, border security, election interference, Jan 6, inflation, covered his crimes. The man has violated his presidential oath, defied the Supreme Court and congressional mandates. And is spending the USA dry. He refuses a cognitive test, debated on his terms after 10 days of preparation to face Trump. The White House Hur Report implies he's a frail old man with diminished faculties unable to stand trial. He couldn't recall his VP dates under Obama or when his son died. The debate 90 min debate defined him regardless of all the gas lighting. So Democrat voters are lost on this man and don't even have a clue the anti American cancel culture woke stance promoted by Democrats taking the nation to a Socialist regime. Hordes of Democrat voters have no clue be it Biden or anything other. Kennedy wanted to run on the Democrat ticket, not woke enough, so the Democrats threw him under the bus. The issue is American or Democrat. Republican 2024 to get this countries institutions back to center.
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@JR-xj2vr Biden closed the pipeline on day one and made us enery independence. From there all hell broke lose. He destabilized the nation with inflation, open borders, invasion into the millions, cartels and smugglers running our border, human trafficking, fentenol, massive overspending, crime, false sense of social justice, election interference, banana republic tactics for starters. Why are you the 28% voting for such a destruction president.
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Joy, can you tell us who is running our Republic, because Americans and the world know Biden is unfit to serve as Commander in Chief and for years the corrupt Democrat media like you, politicians and Hollywood donors have been part of the open secret, lied to America and covered up for Bidens mental acuity. Irresponsible Democrats have had years to remove him fom office not only because of his faculties but for violating his presidential oath, defying Congress codes , the rule of law, and the Supreme Court. Bidens above the law and thinks he's a dictator. And has defied election norms by trying to get rid of his political opponent. Democracy is not his policy or best practices, so how exactly are Democrats savings America. We all with common sense know Biden was never running our country, so you, an elite Hollywood donor, tell America with your big mouth , who is running we , the peoples Republic. Looks like you could use a cognitive test yourself...
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Do your homework. The United States fought a bloody battle with Mexico and conquered all of Mexico, not only the SW. US took some of the conquered land and gave the rest back to Mexico under the Treaty of Hidalgo. Under the Treaty, the United States paid 15 million dollars for annexed lands. And a few years after the War , there was the Gadson Purchase, another 10 million dollars into Mexico's hands. Obviously no lands were stolen. Quite a great real estate deal for Mexico who lost the war and made out on lands it quasi claimed for barely 25 years, being the SW were not historically Mexico's. They were indigenous lands to Apache, Navajo, Comanche, Ute, plus many more northern tribes, still in their sovereign lands in the United States. And they were bitter enemies to Mexicans,the Comanche fighting fierce battles in Chihuahua with the enemy. Never could figure out the United States paying for lands that did not belong to Mexico. And probably still scratching their heads... Goverenment knew this in 1848 and the Mexican Goverenment acknowledges this today. Nothing was stolen. Mexicans were not indigenous to the SW. The Treaty addresses this. Under the Treaty, the few Spanish colonists, Anglo Americans and civilized Indians became Mexican citizens under Mexico's 25 years SW claim, who had lived in the SW prior to Mexican independence were allowed to stay in the SW and become US citizens. Never to fall under Immigration laws, along with the Indians as they had been native to the SW.. These were never under any "return to Mexico" as they are non immigrants. People from Mexico, like it or not, are immigrants and foreign to United States soil.
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Never were Mexicans lands to begin with. Mexico was late in SW history, not until after 1824. 1824-1846 years were the SW Mexican Period . Mexico quasi claimed these unincorporated distant lands for 25 years. Mexicans lost no lands. Their ancestors were from nowhere today's USA. During the Mexican Period California, New Mexico which included Arizona, and Texas were an isolated desert uninhabitable wilderness as they had been for centuries. The 1848 Mexico, US border lay out in the middle of nowhere wilderness. After the Mexican War, approx 1880 Mexicans started to migrate to border areas establishing Mexican towns with USA westward movement and since look only north. Parts of Central America had been claimed by Mexico also for a brief period, but Mexicans have all but forgotten those lands. The problem for many Mexicans especially Sonora and Sinaloa is the negotiated border between the USA and Mexico was too far north and America was the dreamland. Yucatan begged the USA for annexation. Stolen lands is a lie and anti American propaganda. Read the history on 1500s European explorations, land claims by Spain, Great Britain, Russia, France. New England and New Spain... Land disputes on Pacific Coast territories among Spain, Russia, Great Britain. Independence, new nations, USA the first in north America 1776. Treaty's, border changes, war, conquest, land purchases. Mexico was taken from Spain 1821, claiming New Spain lands in north America left over after Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana. What is Mexico today is nothing but land returned by the USA after Mexican War US conquest...25 years before the Mexican War, there was no Mexico or Mexican. Plain truth is California, New Mexico, Texas are not ancestrally Mexico. It's all historically documentation.
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But all those US Americans fought in the Civil War, Spanish America War, WWI and all others. And supported by the USA as a nation of unity. Patriotic.
How Mexico were they to begin with.... Texas, California, New Mexico/Arizona terrories did not get involved with those parts of other New Spain territories in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory areas, Mexico Citys political dynamics, Hidalgo and Guerrero, New Spain independence revolutionists . Neither were California, Texas or New Mexico named as territories in Mexicos first constitution of 1815. Mexicos 1821 independence, Mexico City the heart and core, did not support these northern territories militarily or financially, never settled the northern territories with Mexicans after independence (Americans came west), or bothered to conquor the hundreds of tribes roaming the lands. Just claimed the lands and didn't control them. One point is northern Spanish colonial settlers inherent to the Territory of New Mexico refused the Mexican government to ally with the Mexican military to battle the Comanche, or even warn the government on upcoming Comanche raids in Chihuahua. In fact the Apache, Navajo, Ute, Pueblo, Mohave, Shasta, Piaut, Kiowa, Chumash, Comanche and hundreds of tribes never acknowledged Mexico or inherently knew themselves as Mexican. Also the Apache and Kiowa tribes battled Sonora, Sinaloa, Durango, Yaqui lands at least till the 1860s. Sure looks like they didn't incorporate themselves to Mexico, and Mexico didn't incorporate them into Mexico. Quasi territories except for taxes.. Mexican ancestry.,,, Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos were actually informed by Mexican officials after 1821, who transplanted to the remote isolated foreign north, that they were mandated Mexican citizenship. Mexican ancestry nothing. "Mexican" was a Johnnie come late, after 1821 in New Spains 260 history under Spains flag and stamp in the SW. Patriotism was an issue towards the young Mexican government. And loyalty was to Spain, the motherland... Bottom line, New Spain, which was many territories near and far, was not Mexico 1500s to 1800s... Chihuahuas, Sonorans Mexicans migrated north to border areas after the Mexican War approx 1880, establishing Mexican settlements along with Anglo Americans settlements on barren and unpopulated wilderness for centuries. By the way, it was the US Army who quelled the western Indians, placed in reservations, you might say incorporated them.....
Mexicans are immigrants to the USA.. what is Mexican ancestry anyway, there was no Mexico , Estados Unidos Mexicanos, until 1821. Mexicans are logically Mexican citizens from Mexico of European, Asian, Middle Eastern ancestry etc as well as indigenous. Just as US Americans. Citizens of the New World years past the 16th century..
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@eduardom.8766 being pedantic is because generally folks are very confused on SW History. Cross culture is not historical but goes back to the last century when Mexicans migrated more n more and influenced Spanish colonists in cities in the US west, becoming populated by Mexican American, outnumbering Tejanos and Californios. Except in northern NM, settlements since 1598, where Mexicans were not attracted to, as migrants in the 1800s. And the Spanish heritage was preserved and not culturally Mexican. The connection was the language. Until the last two decades Mexicans have infiltrated northern NM and the NM culture is dying out. Historical northern NM have been Americanized since the Territorial Period 1848 and cross cultured to Americans especially in populated cities for 150 years. But the culture historically is not Mexican. Folks are not immigrants, or identify as Mexican American, generally have identified as Spanish or Spanish American for the history. Not to conflate with Mexican American in southern NM who migrated in the 1800s and have connections, families in Mexico. But in time with mixing of cultures, Spanish north, Mexican south, primarily had been through education. And now, cultures are merged through US Americanization, same as cultural merging with Anglo, and other ethnic Americans. But anymore, 20 years, the landscape is illegal Mexican bringing their culture. As well the SW Indian has come together with other cultures even the northern NM Spanish, as historically in northern NM the Spanish and Indian lived separately and each preserved their heritage.
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These CNN reporters, what long faces... Trumps raided Marilargo made the news all the headlines just two months before election, a political move. Bidens sins were uncovered just days prior to election, where were the FBI and DOJ, covering up, that's where. Now CNN, tell us why Biden cannot stand on his feet when questioned by reporters and has to read off a script written in his defense, can barely read and mumbles and stumbled all over the place. So unlike Trump, ready and willing to defend himself, the USA and doesn't run from repoters, does not get lost on the stage or shakes imaginary hands. And is respected on the world stage. . Did 80 million Americans really vote for a president who obviously should have already been removed under the 25th Amendment. Where were Pelosis ethics and her committees. Lets hear about this CNN. At least half of Americans can see whats going on... and are totally aware that Trump as a President was within his rights to hold the documents at Marilargo, while H Clinton and Biden had no right to classified docs in their residence. CNN was hush hush on this while making lame excuses for Biden and sure to carry on the witchhunt on Trump.
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All Americans need to understand that Mexicans were victims of no one, they were landless in California, New Mexico and Texas. American settlers came west as far as California during the early 1800s. Quite the opposite with Mexicans. After Mexican independence 1821 , the only Mexicans to head to the far isolated north were Mexican officials to officiate the new Mexican government to the already there Spanish colonists who received little assistance from Mexico. These same were mandated Mexican citizenship for 25 years, stayed in their lands and became US citizens under the Treaty of G Hidalgo and are still in the homeland, today's US southwest all the way to California, never historically Mexico Mexicans from Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa migrated to USA border areas after the Mexican War approx 1880. During the 25 year Mexican Period, 1821 - 1846, all citizens from California to Texas were considered Mexican be they America settlers, Spanish colonists or Indian as they were under Mexican control, under the Mexican flag, paid taxes to Mexico whether they liked it or not, but the one thing is that Chihuahuans, Sonorans, Sinaloans did not inhabit the far north as they never had in an isolated distant land which was unprotected from the raiding Apache, Navajo, Kiowa, Comanche and many other unconquered tribes who hated the Mexicans who now claimed their indigenous lands. Mexicans migrated to the USA after the US military conquered the Indians. Had there been no prosperous USA, Mexicans would still be in Mexico never to look north....
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@robertwilsoniii2048 Actually, Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos of the Spanish Colonial Period didn't identify with Mexico City, weren't party to Hidalgos plight for New Spains independence and did not participate in Mexico City's political dynamics or battles against Spain. There was a difference as Nuevomexicanos refused to ally with Mexico's army to battle the Comanche and didn't forewarn Mexico of upcoming Comanche attack in Chihuahua. Mexicans government officials faced resistance in these distant territories and under the Apatzingan constitution 1814, these territories were not Mexico. Mexico justice claimed the territories under its 1824 constitution. Spain didn't acknowledge Mexican independence or transfer any lands to Mexico under any treaty. So Spain had Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana by Mexican independence. If not, Mexico would have claimed them too, as Mexicans.... Mexico was lands in north America left over from New Spains territories. Mexico also claimed parts of Central America and lost those too. Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos of the Spanish Colonial Period became US citizens under the Treaty of Hidalgo and permitted to remain in the homeland under Territorial USA or statehood. During the Mexican Period 1821-1846, Sonorans or Sinaloans didn't leave their homelands to settle in the isolated northern territories. They remained Mexican citizens and some migrated to border areas after the Mexican War establishing border towns along with Anglo Americans. In fact, in northern NM, where few Mexicans immigrated to, the culture remained Spanish heritage. New Spain was different from New England as the Colonies were only 13, and compacted in size. New Spain was far and wide, different geographies, histories, tribes, politics, peoples and mixed cultures in most territories. Californios were incorporated to Anglo Americans or Mexican cultures after the Mexican Period with Mexicans moving in, same with Tejanos, with few traces of a Spanish heritage.
Texas and Mexico were taken by typical battles and an international War. And conquered. Same as any other wars in history. Blood was shed on both sides. California and SW are not ancestrally Mexico. In fact, those from south of the border in today's Mexico have no ancestral roots in any where USA. They are immigrants.
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@MeLlamanJhonny Comanche, Kiowa, Kumeyaay, Mohave, Apache, Ute, Shoshone, Piaut, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Navaho, Caddo, etc, northern tribes hated Mexico and never identified as Mexican . The Indians innately knew their indigenous tribal lands. And those from Chihuahua feared the Comanche and Kiowa who pillaged their villages, mines, ranches and left in shreds after the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846 and during the same Period, Kumeyaay attacked Mexicans in San Diego and other California tribes did the same... in other words, Mexicans were unwelcome in foreign lands up north... To the uneducated its of no concern, to the anti American cancel culture history revionists snowflakes, well what can one say to those who cannot think and live in a state of brainless nonsense..
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@MeLlamanJhonny Point being that New Spain Territories were separated by distance, far and wide, from California coast to Florida coast, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Caribbeans, Phillipines, Pacific Coast to Canada. Different explorations by Spain, land and sea, different geographies, tribes, culture's, histories, peoples.
The New Spain peoples were identified by Territory for 300 years by Spain. Part of New Spain to become Mexico claimed independence, and declared for its subjects, Mexican citizenship, entered the Territories, some far and very distant lands, as a new nation and new government, new flag and subjugated the lands after 1824.
California, New Mexico and Texas never joined Hidalgo in his revolution to fight the Spaniards or join his cry, el grito, death to the Spaniards. Nor did California, New Mexico or Texas join Mexico City in its political dynamics and battles against Spain. The new Mexican government officials enter the distant hundreds if not a thousand miles away SW Territories to meet resistance by the Spanish Colonial settlers many who had been in the far north New Spain outposts for centuries, put there by Spain to guard against Russian and French intrusion on Spains lands. They were peoples of different geographies, cultures, tribes, histories from other parts of New Spain, in fact all of New Spain Territories could relate to the same. Florida different from Texas Territory, Estramadura Territory different from California Territory, Mexico City different from Cuba, Vera Cruz different from Sonora., Chihuahua Territory different from Guatemala. All different, yet ruled by Spains viceroy in Mexico City under Spains king.
Tbe New England Colonies were only thirteen, people also identified by Colony, but in much closer proximity to one another, all fighting for independence together, forming an independent patriotic union, united as a republic, became the USA after the American Revolution. New Spain was scattered, Mexico as an independent nation was at war within, its citizens were as rebellions as the government and many especially in the outer edges of "Mexico", unincorporated, never took to "Mexico", wanting independence from the young nation of which they had never had a unison during the 275 years Spanish Colonial Period. Spain had claimed too much land and losing it come the 1800s. Sonorans or Sinaloans or any one south of today's border did not come north during the 25 years Mexican Period 1821-1846. The north was way too far, in the isolated wilderness, uninhabitable desert with attacking unconquered warrior Indians. Few dared transplanting to live under these conditions. Nothing was stolen from Sonorans or Sinaloans, they still live in their lands. Californian's, New Mexicans and Texans still live in their lands but SW have lived under Spain for over two centuries, Mexico for 25 years, 10 for Texas, and USA since 1848, as American. And ancestrally are not Mexico. south of the borderians are immigrants to the USA having no ancestral roots north of the border...
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@pedrorodrigues7285 Yes, Spain claimed alot of land it was unable to control. Barely colonized just a few pockets in later discovered lands of New Mexico, California, Texas and unable to hang on to Louisiana to Florida just before Mexico gained independence. So who knows what would have happened to the far and isolated SW and CA had Mexico not gained independence. The United States wanted these lands in close proximity to them, Spain no longer had the financial resources and there's a good chance Spain would have sold these isolated territory's to the United States. These were a wilderness frontier and hard to colonize because of this and thousands of Indians still controlled their lands. Spain did not finance or support these provinces as it did those territories in close proximity to Mexico City, and Mexico after independence did the same. Spanish Colonial populations were sparse, distant and were not involved in Mexican independence, Americans were doing trade and began to settle in these territories. Spain had abdicated the lands, but the citizens were not really all that nationistic towards the new Republic, and as other territories in Central America wanted independence from Mexico, so did those in the far north.
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And lie they do. Democrat media distort the facts. And point to Republicans for their own sins and Dumocrats believe such stupidity as the border is closed while all know millions are pouring in; illegal migration crime is not a problem while they are killing, raping. robbing, plundering streets, attacking police and citizens while living on tax payers expense ; Biden is in tip top shape mentally/physically, oh yah, right; the economy is no problem, while folks are living on credit cards to buy necessities at high interest rates, cannot buy houses, or live on inflation; Biden is an outstanding president, lol; the stolen classified records found in an open garage is no crime, of course; the millions of dollars from Russia, China, Ukraine schemes just miraculously popped up in Biden family bank accounts out of nowhere, while Joe Biden constantly pops in on Hunters business meetings, lunches, phone calls , connected to business emails with foreign business associates linked to large bank deposits, diamonds and super pricey cars. Hmmmm, it all looks good to corrupt media and politicians.... Even Democrat's. those of the honest sort, looking up the facts. are fed up with the corruption. It's not Democrat or Republican. It's who has integrity towards the Constitutional Republic, protects the border, has the backbone to stand up for America and world leaders instead of turning to mush, and cannot find his way off the stage, while shaking hands with no one, before stumbling on stage, needs help getting up, starts none sensible mumbling, if he can make it up the steps on Airforce One without falling, once, twice, was it three times. if you missed the show on CNN, MSNBC there's a video somewhere to catch up...
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Mexico willfully took part in the twenty five million dollar transactions and agreed to the annexed lands and border. Stealing is Chicano Studies (Mexican immigrant) and left wing university professors indoctrination since the 1960s. Mexico became a nation in 1824, Spain did not approve of Mexican independence or did Spains king sign the Treaty of Cordova or Treaty lands over to Mexico. The annexed lands were never ancestrally Mexico. In fact, under Mexico's first 1814 Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico and Texas were not Mexico. Arizona was part of New Mexico until USA annexation.
Additionally those from Chihuahua, Sinaloa or south of the border ancestral roots were not from California, New Mexico or Texas. These Mexicans are immigrants to the USA after the Mexican War and USA westward movement appro 1880. They are not to be confated with Spanish Colonial settlers or SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821 who were brought under Spain to the far isolated north 1598 - 1770 as New Spain outposts to ward off French and Russian intrusion . And under the Treaty of Hidalgo 1848 were allowed to stay in the isolated homeland to become USA citizens. The northern tribes as Navajo, Shasta, Piaut. Pueblo, Comanche, Souix, Apache and hundreds other indigenous in the SW never acknowledged Mexico as the sovereign 1824 or identified as Mexican. They knew their inherent lands, and Comanche and Kiowa especially, battled fiercely with Chihuahuans. Interestingly during the 25 year SW Mexican Period 1821-1846 it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north, today's SW. For centuries the SW had been thousands of miles of desert uninhabitable wilderness. The typical Chihuahuans or Sinaloans or other did not migrate north to the far wilderness until these territories became the USA. They established border towns after trains and the US Army placed the unconquered Indians in reservations. And there are many Mexicans who will testify to this. They know their roots...
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@roqueroman3334 No one gave lands to the Amerindians who were not native. They were not from the American continent. They ended up here through migration, like any other migrants. Took, by force, lands from other Indians tribes for centuries, typical human patterns. Never one nation or one people. Humans have migrated for centuries, most are full blooded nothing. Migration, exploration, wars and conquest have always been since civilization began, victor takes the spoils all over the world. No one exempt...
Amerindians are as Europeanizated as much as they are American, in fact would never return to 1500 century world after influenced by the European such as your name which resembles nothing pre Columbian....
In fact if you enter a UnitedStates tribal reservation without tribal permission, you are entering their lands illegally.....Illegal are 19th, 20th, 21st century standards. Judging a 14th century world by modern day standards... Not any of us were around. Get over it, you wouldn't want any part of a violent age...
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@robiking011 To be more specific, CA had a host of Indian tribes when the Spanish claimed the territory about 1550 such the Yuma and Mohave in the south to Chumash, and Shasta up north and many tribes in between. Other SW were Apache, Navajo, Yaqui, Ute, Kiowa, Comanche, Pueblo. Spain claimed these northern territories of New Spain for 300 years, until 1821 which is when Mexico gained independence to become it's own country. In other words, there was no Mexico until 1824, Estados Unidos Mexicanos with it's own flag, constitution and under those, became Mexican citizens. In the SW, Spain earlier had Christianized the Pueblo in NM and some CA but most were unconquered during independence, and during the 25 years that Mexico claimed the SW, there were wars between SW Indian and the young Mexico. Mexico never conquered these Indians who controlled the SW except for a few areas colonized by the Spanish.. Don't conflate Spain with Mexico, different eras, different goverenment. Different parts of New Spains Empire were California, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana to Florida, Pacific coast to Canada, todays Mexico, Cuba, Caribbeans, Central America, Philippines plus other island's. Mexico was referred to as New Spain before Independence.
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The stronger tribes win since the beginning of time, it's in written in man's DNA. No excuses. Mexico fought Spain for a decade, gave up on the US within two years. Just quit... The northern Territories, which were annexed by the USA were not even Mexico under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution. And under the 1824 Mexico constitution were not States, rather provinces, unincorporated from Mexico's main. Thats how important they were to Mexico City. Barely a Mexican soldier in sight upon USA take over of New Mexico and California because these Territories under New Spain were separated from other New Spain Territories by great distance up to over a thousand miles. New Spain was huge, part of today's USA, Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Cuba, Caribbeans, Phillipines, Central America, Cuba. Separated far and wide. Different geography, tribes, politics, cultures, peoples, histories. "Mexico" the young Republic, was late in the SW not until 1824, these are not ancestrally Mexico. What is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico by USA under the Treaty of GH. Fortunately for Mexico it's soul and core , today's central Mexico was returned. Mexico may have started another war over her
intermost heart, if that part of Mexico had not been returned..
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@henrivanchayala1039 The revionist history cancel culture portions. No lands were stolen. The events were standard -- land disputes, conflict, war, CONQUEST, negotiations, borderline, Treaty and fifteen million dollar purchase to seal the deal. The money was so favorable to Mexico, a few years later it sold more land for ten million, the Gadson Purchase , moving the borderline even more. Conquests were the established standards of that day and accepted in the Western world in 1800s, Mexico part of that world.. The Mexican goverenment is not crying over annexed territories, they were nothing but real estate lands out in the unpopulated wilderness frontier with thousands of unconquered Indians. Rather, it is self interest Mexican factions who are now-a-days crying over isolated uninhabitable wilderness lands in the 1800s, which the United States developed and made part of a great nation; and radical snowflakes who know no better, in tune to Socialist indoctrination of White guilt.
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Texas has some history. Was land to natives, claimed by France, then Spain for over 250 years, claimed by Mexico for 15 years, became independent Republic of Texas 10 years and then USA. Texas is not historically Mexico and Mexicans migrated to Texas late in history, approx 1880 with USA westward movement... The name Texas was derived from nothing Mexican, "Texas" name came from the Louisiana Caddo tribe. Mexico also has a dirty history and ever since USA westward move, Mexicans look only north...escaping an abusive Mexican government for refuge in the US of A. Mexicans would still be south of the border as they had been for centuries, if not for the USA.
Read the history of Texas, except for a few Spanish Colonial settlers from Canary Islands and Louisiana border, since the early 1700s, it was Americans who settled Texas 1835, along with the Spanish, fought the Comanche, toiled the soil and made Texas. Mexicans were far away, having no need for Texas until much later after the USA military subjugated the fierce warrior unconquered Indians apprx 1880, who Mexicans tremblingly feared and dared not go anywhere near..
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@SOLDOZER Trump has a big mouth, Harris is no match, no way. She's trying to win with that fake smile, doubtful she's anything great to work with when her office is a toxic environment losing 90 something % of staff. Trump is bold and has spirit... Brilliant, patriot, will stand for America and great in foreign affairs. Harris is silly, immature, no policy, no substance and doing first interview with Walz, odd. But she's been running scared of interviews, press conferences and her terms on debate of which agreed by Trump and she changed her demands again. A debate with notes , odd again; and Trump wants three, lets see if she even will do one... No better than Biden. Only those fooled by her ridiculous campaign charm will vote for her because they are totally unaware of her toxic record as DA. And unaccomplished as VP.
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If you read the record, under Mexico's first 1814 Apatzingan constitution California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. 1821 Spains king did not acknowledge Mexican independence and refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Mexico gained Spains lands no Treaty, no agreement. USA standards were above Mexico, a Treaty fully describing lands and waters annexed plus a 25 million dollar transaction. 25 years prior to the Mexican War, the lands were not Mexico's, they were Spains... According to New Spain history. Additionally the California lands belonged to the northern indigenous Shasta, Chumash, Piaute, Pomo, Karok, etc. The tribes knew they were not Mexican, and never cried over Mexico after US takeover. On the other hand Chihuahuans, Sonorans or south of the borderians roots or ancestors were not from the SW. And migrated to the USA border areas approx 1880s with US movement west. Mexicans are immigrants and Americans settled the SW about 1821 before Mexican migration... SW not ancestrally Mexico. 25 year SW Mexican Period is nothing, Mexicans didn't even colonize very far northern wilderness after Mexican independence so what's so sad. The Spanish colonists already there in the homeland centuries before the War are still there as USA citizens under the Treaty of GH...
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@angelcampos7675 How's that, before European contact, natives lived on the land who were not mexica Aztec. In fact "Texas" is derived from the Louisiana Caddo tribes. Texas was also claimed by France, Spain, Republic of Texas, and Mexico . There was no Mexico until very late in history. Under Mexico's 1814 Apatzingan first constitution, Texas or any SW are not Mexico. There was no Mexico as a country until 1824. It became Estados Unidos Unidos Mexicanos under this constitution, it's citizens became Mexican which is not a race, in fact much of Mexico's citizens are not indigenous. Mexicans are actually many ethnicities from natives to abroad. Mexicans are immigrants to the USA and brought the culture from south of the border. It was actually Spain who colonized Texas 1700s with a few Spanish colonists from the Canary Islands and Spanish settlers from Natchitoches on the Louisiana border. And it was Americans who founded Texas towns, fought the Comanche and loved their land granted by the Mexican government 1830s because Texas was in dire need of population and protection, decades before Mexicans migrated to Texas after the Mexican War approx 1880 with the USA push west. Since then, many Mexicans look only to the north... Ancestrally Mexican, not according to Texas history...
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@josepalacios2955 segregated, killed, persecuted, dispossessed of land was nothing new under the sun. Happening for centuries in what is today America and world wide. The Spanish practiced all these atrocities in New Spains territories, and before that natives tribes did the same. Neither California or SW tribes ever considered themselves Mexican before or after Mexican independence during which Mexico became a young nation. These territories were claimed by and under a totally new and foreign nation of Mexico for barely 25 years, 10 for Texas, inherently they were neither Mexican or US American. Most natives were not influenced by the Spanish during the 225 years Spanish Colonial Period in California/SW, continued their ancient practices and spoke their native tongue until just a hundred years ago, fully Americanized. yet many still retain their indigenous heritage. They aren't crying like Mexican indians. Or are they complaining that Mexico was taken from them lol. Of all United States peoples as a group, they are the most satisfied. Why not, the tribes are no longer at war with the other, they are sovereign nations within the United States, the tribes get millions of dollars funding annually from the USA federal government, USA tribal members get royalties from tribal enterprises, plus reparations, they are more and more protected under USA Indian Laws and for two centuries United States Indians have been protected under the Bureau of Indian Affairs, tribes falling under this federal agency as more and more territories became part of the U.S. Thankfully are not fleeing the United States, the native land, for good sustainable pastures elsewhere, like the native Indians from Mexico. Its because all U.S. tribes so happen to be very fortunate Indians as United States citizens. U.S of A Indians have pridefully served their great country the United States of America in military service and War. 75 years ago, the modern era, military U. S. Navajo code talkers were incredibly noteable during WWII for the use their ancient tongue in USA military service aiding to defeat the enemy --- 🇺 🇸🇺🇸. Looks like the poor native Americans are from Mexico who only look to the far north for salvation.
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So odd, yet Biden is obviously an outrageous lier, mentally incompacitated. Doesn't know where he is, shakes hands, with nothing, falls on stage and Airforce One stairs, makes sign of cross inappropriately, cannot handle speeches to Americans much less world leaders. Screams at the press, Is totally weak. If you are unaware, its because CNN, View, MSNBC, ABC etc hide this from the viewers. But the evidence is in numerous videos. And Biden no comparison to Trump. Worse yet, Bidens VP is worse than Biden. She can't even present a respectable speech much less run the USA. She's not patriotic, like Biden, and they both try to run the USA to the ground. Anti Americans who have no respect for democracy or the constitution. The proof is violation of rule of law -- open borders, taking a political opponent to court, instead of practicing election norms in order to rid Trump from the ballot, taking away millions of Americans right to vote. It's called election interference, un Americans, unconstitutional. Republicans don't do this....
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Inflation, transgender, racism, Socialism, indoctrination, history revision, fuel dependent, treason, open borders, illegal migration, crime, over spending and breaking the bank, Who's stupid. Not the Republicans. They didn't vote crooked, senile Biden. When ever has Biden spent 2 hours out in the heat fighting for Americans in front of thousands. Never. He can't even present a coherent speech, babbles, gets lost on the stage, sell snake oil paid by the vote, falls, and reads his scripts off the teleprompter, lashes out at reporters, when he's not hiding from them. . Look at Trump, by far he out does Biden. Trump 2024. He delivers for the US of A.... I voted for Trump and I'm not stupid, I'm informed.
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The SW were unincorporated provinces, not states under the 1824 Republic of Mexico. South of the borderians never had ancestral roots north of today's border. It was basically Mexican government officials who transplanted to the distant California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas during the historic SW 25 year Mexican Period .
CA, NM and TX parts of New Spain didn't participate with Hidalgo in his plight for New Spains independence, and these far northern Territories were not involved with Mexico City, it's Spaniards, crillos or mestizo and its politics and battles against Spain for independence. Under the first attempt towards Mexico, 1814 Apatzingan constitution, CA, NM/AZ, TX are not Mexico. Mexico is a result of historical events and today's Mexico is land returned by the USA under the Treaty of GH. There would not have been a Mexican War if parts or some of New Spain Territories had not claimed independence from Spain 25 years earlier to become Mexico. On top of that, Spain did not recognize independence as Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova and battles continued for another decade. Spain never Treaty'd any lands over to Mexico.
Mexico after it claimed independence brought American settlers under land grant ownership to populate Texas which had already been projected by Spain/USA under agreement to protect Spains Canary Island and Nachotiches Spanish colonists settlers in Texas against the Comanche as Spain barely populated these far north New Spain Territories, Indians were a major threat to settlers, too dangerous, too far and isolated and difficult to populate as Spain never conquered the CA, NM, TX warrior Indians . Because of the greatly feared
Comanche , Spain was unable to open a route in Texas to New Spain Louisiana. These New Spain Territories were distant outposts in what were a huge enormous uninhabitable wilderness desert claimed by Spains later explorations in mid 1550s, Just a handful of small isolated towns and ranches were colonized by Spain in NM, TX, CA since 1598 during the 250 years Spanish Colonial Period to guard against Russian and French intrusion on Spains lands.
Interestingly the descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers up to over a thousand miles away from Mexico City to become the USA SW, did not welcome the Mexican Period--Mexican government nor did the indigenous northern tribes. Rebellions sparked against the new Republic and independence was sought from Mexico.
Spain strickly guarded its borders. Mexico's government opened the borders, commercial trade opened up from Missouri on the Santa Fe Trail , American and mountain men fur traders had settled in the SW decades before Mexicans during the Mexican Period. In fact as settlers these became Mexican citizens including all under Mexico after independence. Spanish Colonial descendants in northern NM refused the Mexican government to ally with Mexico's military to battle the Comanche, the colonizers were inherent to the SW and nortern NMs had a pact with the Comanche. Mexico was not in control and these Mexico Republic provinces were autonomous and outside of Mexicos main. Mexico brought soldiers north to Texas to battle the Alamo and San Jacinto, the Spanish settlers sided with American Texans. Later New Mexico, absent of Mexican soldiers was gained by Americans without one bullet shot and California was easily won with barely a Mexican in sight. It was Spanish Colonial settlers descendants who populated the SW. Mexicans or those from Sonora or Sinaloans or south of there, were not ancestrally rooted in the SW and migrated approx 1880s to border areas with USA westward movement and US military subjugation of the SW tribes and since then Mexicans look only north. Mexicans had no need for the isolated wilderness desert California, New Mexico or Texas back in 1821-1846 Mexican Period or the centuries before.
All the noise on stolen lands is nothing but immigrant Mexican Chicano Studies nonesense , they can prove nothing; and Anti American history revionist cancel culture propaganda. The SW was Spains land forc 250 years, Mexico 25 years, and USA 200 years. Mexico barely made a dent in the USA SW. And what's the big deal, Mexico claimed parts of Central America too, after independence, lost it, but when does anyone hear anything about those lands back or stolen. In fact, Mexico's indigenous are connected to Central American and parts of South America in art, culture, religion. SW tribes have connections to the far north Canada and Pacific islands. And never identified as Mexican. Bitter hatred, as the Comanche and Kiowa terrorized Sonora and Sinaloa after independence and even after the Mexican War. It's all volumns of documentation , archived in Spain, Mexico City and Santa Fe.
Immigration to the USA is not reaping what was sowed. Its the Democratic party Immigration Act of the 1960s , the Democrat's desperately needed the votes from south of the border and since then the flood gates were open but controlled. At the turn of this century, open borders and millions entering illegally uncontrolled from everywhere for the Democratic vote. Politics and corruption, and no integrity. Nothing to do with USA conquest, two Mexico/US Treaty's, or 25 million dollars which is water under the bridge...
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Mexicanos living there are illegal if they are not legal immigrants. They came from south of the border and were not rooted in California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, Nevada. They are not Navaho, Comanche, Piaut, Pueblo, Mohave, Kiowa, Chumash, Shasta, Karenkara, Ute. So st I p crying...
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Harris lost because Democrat politicians cannot relate to Americans. Democrats will continue to lose because people like Harris, Biden, Obamas, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton's, rest of the swamp, Democrat media, Hollywood, elites are too radical, racist, extreme, woke and Americans are fed up, want politicians like Republicans who will address serious issues like economy and open border crisis. The political machine is old, tired, broken and Americans are sick of lies and deceipt. American voters registered for the first time to support Republicans, along with Democrats. Denial won't help. Sound turned off on concession speech which was too late. Harris just doesn't inspire. Past time to turn the page, America has spoken, Democrats in the middle can now speak out for common sense. Thanks to Trump.
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Texas back to Mexico.? Mexico did not become a nation until 1824 due to independence after 300 years of Spains claim and governance of the many territories. Mexico became a new nation, Estados Unidos Mexicano's. And quasi claimed the far off wilderness of California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas for barely 25 years, known as the SW Mexican Period. These territories were not historically Mexico and the United States knew this when the SW was purchased for fifteen million dollars. The United States knew Spanish lands and had a history of dealing with Spain and Spains border lands in the United States. Not to mention Spains financially supporting the United States during the American Revolution. Spain had granted Americans land grants in Texas for settlements before Mexican independence. If the SW is to be returned it should be to Apache, Navajo, Comanche, Ute, Yaqui, and a host of SW tribes, California and Arizona northern tribes who never acknowledged Mexico after independence from Spain. The SW was a different geography, history, culture, politics and sparse population of Spanish colonists who had issues with Mexico. Fierce Indian battles ensued as Mexicans trespassed SW indigenous lands. Mexico was a Johnny come very late to the SW. Mexicans are Immigrants to the United States, in fact Anglo Americans settled the SW before Mexicans starting in 1821. Mexicans migrated north a couple of decades after the Mexican War. Americans need to learn SW history 101. Additionally, the famous Rio Grande never served Aztec territories and barely touched Chihuahua. Ancients knew their water source and tributaries as water sustained life. The northern River never sustained the Aztec. Some conflate Spain with Mexico but are mistaken. Different era, different goverenment, different politics, different flag.
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Biden is the farthest radical extreme far left president ever, and Harris will be worse. Trump did nothing, says the liar, he built the wall authorized by Congress. Protected the border of our constitutional republic. Harris is unconstitutional, un American, cancel culture woke marxist. She has no strength, no one voted for her 2020 presidential campaign, first to drop out. No votes 2020 primary. Before 3 months ago , no one knew who she was or nobody liked her. She's a marxist and couldn't care less for our founding, our history, historical monuments, or Christians. Has done nothing for America's fundamentals and will change them once she gains power...
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@samzetroc2634 Some Mexicanos make a mountain of a mole hill. CA and SW were not historically Mexico to begin with. Mexico was a Jonny come late to these territories 1824 and it was basically Mexican government officials who came north and left after the Mexican War. Not to conflate with the Spanish settlers under Spain whose families had been in NM since 1598, Texas 1630, and California 1770, before there was Mexico. The rest, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada were total unconquered Indians, not a European in sight, never settled by Spains 250 years Spanish Colonial Period. Or Mexico after 1824, the 25 year Mexican Period. In fact there were just a few south of the border Mexicans residing in California, NM or Texas when Americans attacked the territories. Most were imported from the south to battle Texas and CA.. 25 years under Mexico was nothing, gone in a flash. Mexico needed citizens granting land to Americans. Most Mx migrated to border areas after the Mex war, then Villas Revolution, then Immigration Act, them mass illegal migration. Then they want to tell us the US stole Mexico. White guilt woke revision history. The native Indian from the north inherently did not identify as Mexican, simply because they and their lands were not Mexico. Mexicans lost nothing because they were not from anywhere USA. Most Mexicans in the United States can go back only to 1970 with the Immigration Act. They have always been south of the border immigrants. Can't return to where they weren't from to begin with.
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@Sailor-Mars- How was Spain confused by the Louisiana Purchase exactly. Mexico did not inherent from Spain. Spain and the New Spain territories of what is today central Mexico battled for decades and had issues after what became independent Mexico for a decade. Was not a smooth transition. Texas was barely a part of Mexico. First of all it was too far in the wilderness and barely populated. Texas or any SW or CA did not participate in independence and many were loyalists to Spain seeking independence from Mexico, forced Mexican citizenship after 1821. The northern Texas tribes Comanche and Caddo never acknowledged Mexico and never identified as Mexican and at one point slaughtered Chihuahua leaving in shreds after New Mexicans refused to ally with the Mexican army as allies. Spanish settlers Texas and Californios likewise were unpatriotic to Mexico. Spain just prior to Mexican independence was negotiating with M Austin for Americans to land grant Texas and after 300 years Spain was in financial straps, treatied with the United States to Americanize territories and who knows if not for independence how Spain and the United States would have negotiated the same territories that were a close to the United States as Mexico. These lands were just a vast isolated desert wilderness of more value to Mexico as real estate than any vision for territories Mexico did not control, support, or finance. Mexico did tax the populace, though. Nevertheless there was no loss for Tejanos, Nuevomexicanos or Californios after the Mexican War. Any show of Mexican patriotism waned and folks became US citizens after 15-25 years under Mexico. Texas was not historically Mexico and Tejanos knew it so did the unconquered northern tribes from California to Texas, basically the SW n CA were self governed quasi provinces unincorporated to Mexico's main. Mexico birth was 1821, a different era, sovereign, rulership and political climate compared to Spain. Many people don't know the history of San Jacinto, Republic of Texas or that Mexico fired the first shot on disputed land. Most people have no clue on New Spain and it's many separate territories stretching far n beyond, thousands of miles from today's Mexico or know that the different parts of New Spain had different cultures, histories, tribes, peoples, geographies. Including CA and the SW. Most people don't know that Mexicans are immigrants to the USA since after the Mexican War but mostly after Pancho Villas 1910 Revolution, and people do not know that Mexicans have no historical or inherent roots north of the border in CA n SW or anywhere USA. And most people don't know that California n SW were not historically Mexico which was a Johnnie come late to the SW and very short lived, in fact most people don't know that Mexico did not exist till 1821. Most people don't know that the USA could have taken all of Mexico upon conquest. 25 years that Mexico claimed the far isolated north not worth the exaggeration. In fact most people would get a big fat F on SW History and the Mexican War.
This is America from Alaska to Argentina. Typical human activity -- exploration, land claims, new nations, independence, conflict, wars, conquest, land disputes, treaties, purchases, border changes after 200 years regardless of which European claimed what territories or colonies. Spain acknowledges the USA western movement, her far north isolated territories in New Spain. Still populated with thousands of unconquered Indians when she abdicated the lands , as part of today's United States, same as Spain acknowledges all the other conflicts and border changes throughout America after Spains inception in America. New nations Mexico / US, conflicts was nothing new under the sun....
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@samzetroc2634 pendejosi is an excuse for ignorance. The lands belonged to Spain for 250 years. Mexico couldn't even control the territories in the Mexico City areas much less very distant CA n SW. In fact, upon Mexicos first attempt to independence from Spain, Mexicos first constitution 1815, CA, NM/AZ, TX were not included as "Mexico", they were thousands of miles away in another world. Mexico's quasi claim, Texas 10 years; NM, CA , 25 years was nothing. Mexico did not settle the unincorporated territories in the isolated desert wilderness, did not govern, support financially or conquer the thousands of Indian tribes up north, who never identified as Mexican or mestizo, to date. But Mexico did tax the heck out of the north. If you're south of the border, nothing was taken from you, not even your ancestors were from north of the border, so you can't get back from what didn't belong to you in the first place. Those from CA and SW are still there, be they Navaho, Ute, Mohave, Shasta, Piaut and hundreds of other northern tribes; and Spanish colonizers who had been up north starting in 1598. Your lands as belonging to Mexico is a big fat lie and you don't have any proof to claim otherwise....
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Texas was not getting services for its taxes. Mexico turned a blind eye to slavery and did not enforce its laws. Santa Ana ripped the constitution, made himself a dictator and set off the battle at the Alamo. Texans took control by defeating Santa Ana. To become an independent Republic of Texas. Then Texas became part of the USA prior to the Mexican War.
Mexico started the War on USA/MX disputed territory. While some parts of Mexico put up a good fight, the USA conquered Mexico which had claimed the lands for only 25 years after Mexican independence. Mexico was in no position to start the War. Upon independence, the young Republic of Mexico didn't have a treasury. No modern weapons. Patriotism was questionable... No soldiers in New Mexico which was overtaken just by American soldiers presence. Not one shot was fired. Barely a soldier in California. Mexico needed to bring in troops to the very distant wilderness with no money to pay them. These were barely Mexican lands. Let alone Nevada, Utah, Colorado, parts of Wyoming, Oklahoma, Kansas. The Mexican government didn't reach those extremely far areas during the 1821-1846 Mexican Period. Mexico couldn't govern central Mexico much less the outer provinces which were open to takeover by other nations. Pacific northwest were disputed territories among Spain, Russia and Great Britain. Actually CA to Texas had been Spains territories for at least 250 years. Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos didn't join Hidalgo in New Spains fight for independence or participate with Mexico City in its political dynamics and battles against Spain.
Mexico's borders changed in just four decades from no borders as there was no Mexico. Spains territories were New Spain. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan 1814 constitution , New Mexico which included Arizona, California and Texas were not Mexico. Mexico 1824 claimed its lands under its Estados Unidos constitution and lost all its lands after 25 years, defeated by the USA in the War Mexico started. Under the Treaty of GH, the US returned half Mexico's lands plus under two Treaty's including the Gadsden Purchase, Mexico got 25 million dollars. Prior to Mexican independence, Spain had Treaty'd Florida to the USA and Louisiana to France. Truth be told, Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain never Treaty'd any lands over to Mexico. Mexico took them underhandedly, more of a thief or "stole" than the USA who actually negotiated lands with Mexico, under the Treaty; describing the border, lands and waters.
California and SW were Spains lands, part of New Spain for 250 years, not quite the 300 years as today's central Mexico, because the very far northern territories were explored and claimed by Spain decades later to become part of New Spain. Without Spain and its New Spain territories, there would never have been a Mexico ... Same as without Great Britain and its New England colonies there would be no USA. Mexico claimed these provinces, 25 years for California and New Mexico , and ten years Texas. These were Spanish colonists populations who were mandated Mexican citizenship under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution as Mexico 1824 piggybacked off what was left of Spains lands, after New Spains, Florida and Louisiana were no longer under Spain.
California and SW are not ancestrally Mexico. In fact those peoples from south of todays borders ancestors were from nowhere USA. All are immigrants to the USA. California, New Mexico and Texas were once Mexico , but Mexicans stop short of adding -- for 25 years. I noted some Mexicans and anti-Americans are full of excuses and short on historical knowledge. Really, was the USA to wait until a troubled Mexico with internal revolutions, and no treasury , to pull itself together to gain strength... Had the USA not taken Mexico, Russia and Great Britain were not far off. USA like all other nations including Mexico fought for their lands. Mexico is no exception to man's inherent rule of war, of victor takes the spoils.
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As if Mexico didn't have dirty hands--too. Lol...On top of that, lost the war, lost land. USA had better gun's and better strategies and better finances. And a vision for the west, Polks Manifest Destiny - what a better way for CA the SW and its people. Who did Mexico have but traitors and just barely a nation in diapers.... No one from the annexed territories cried over Mexico which was gone in a blink of the eye, 25 years. Grow up, get over it. 200 years ago. You're just jealous over the gringo. It had been Spains land to begin with, had there been no independence, there'd be no Mexico. Spain had already negotiated with Austin on American settlements, the gringo, in Texas before independence and Mexico signed the Treaty of GH, plus 25 million dollars, all historical events, where we are today... lame excuses don't hold water..........
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Actually, the Navaho, Comanche, Piaut, Kiowa, Shoshone, Ute, Shasta, Mohave, Chumash, Pueblo plus many more USA tribes still live in their lands and you're trespassing if you don't have permission to to open the gate... Mexicans ancestors never lived in the SW. They all lived south of today's border..
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Jesse, 25 years prior to the Mexican War, there was no Mexico. Texas had been claimed by France, Spain and very briefly by a brand new nation baptized "Mexico" 1824. Before all of this it was claimed by indigenous tribes who never claimed any nation. "Texas" is derived from the Louisiana Caddo tribes. Texas Comanche or Caddo never claimed Mexico or a Mexican identity. "Mexicans" are late 1800s immigrants to what became the United States SW and they want reparations. It's as much hogwash as all those others who cry reparations judging a sixteenth century world with modern lens. How come those of African descent don't ask for reparations from their African ancestors who abused and profitably sold them or better yet, go back. Fact is life was pretty cruel centuries ago, slavery was common, no matter which way one turned and humans basically lived for survival, of which we are descendants of those hardened survivers. Todays wimps wouldnt make it. Mexicans need reparations from the abusive dictorial Mexican goverenment of which many fled hundreds of miles in a harsh barren wilderness desert to the United States after the Mexican War. They didn't go south to face more oppression. Mexico is still stealing off and selling indigenous lands to the highest bidder. While United States SW tribes who were never Mexican get ridiculous amounts of US federal funding annually, and are privileged federal Indian Law and royalties from gaming and other enterprises backed by Uncle Sam. Nice welfare system for not living a stone age life style. Sleazy world ruled by greed. Bottom line, California and SW was never historically Mexico or incorporated Mexican provinces. 25 years a quasi Mexican territory is making a mountain of a mole hill. Nothing stolen, the SW Indian tribes still live in their inherent native lands as do descendants of Spains colonial settlers who founded Spanish towns as Santa Fe, including St. Agustin, Florida, more than a decade before Jamestown was founded. Parts of New Spains many territories. In fact, these are non-immigrant, centuries old United States Spanish families were here before there was a United States, Mexico or Canada. Let the tribes aside, many in the Mississippi areas were absorbed by the French and Indians, and many Floridians ended up in Cuba. There are just a pocket full of Californians, Texans and New Mexicans who have been absorbed by Anglo and Mexicans the last 100 years, Nevada, Utah, Colorado were never colonized by Spain. Arizona had been part of New Mexico. SW History 101. Northern New Mexicans still hold to Spains heritage. . Guess reparations are due for who knows what, but thousands of acres of land were actually stolen in New Mexico after Americanization by rich land speculaters through the United States goverenment who failed to respect established land ownership.
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Actually the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo allowed inhabitants, Spanish colonists, already living in the SW which was a very distant frontier wilderness,, to stay in their lands and become United States citizens. They were not required by Mexico or the United States to pack up and relocate to far off Mexico and leave their centuries homeland behind, now in the United States. These territories were not Mexico except for 25 years. Nothing was stolen, the United States conquered Mexico in a bloody battle which Mexico lost. Claimed by Spain for 275 years with just a few Spanish colonies, the lands have always belonged to SW Indians and these tribes still reside in their indigenous lands in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and further north who never accepted Mexico. In fact they are sovereign Tribal lands within the United States. And many of these tribes as Apache, Comanche fiercely fought Mexico for trespassing their northern lands. These lands were never destined to be Mexico, they were too far, a different geography, history, culture, Indians, politics, people. Mexican officials were unwelcome as they came north , met with resistance, revolts and considered strangers in foreign land.. Patriotism to Mexico was shaky and as Mexican officials left after the United States conquest so did any nationism towards Mexico. In fact, the SW Spanish colonists were never a part of the political dynamics between New Spain and Spain or Mexican independence. It's just that one day after 1824 the young Mexico showed up at the very distant SW door and removed the 275 years, well rooted flag of Spain and replaced with the flag of Mexico. The very short lived SW Mexican Period, gone in 1846 after 25 years. Mexicans are as immigrant as anyone else to the SW. In fact Americans 1821 settled the SW before Mexicans.
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@williamriley6033 violation of the Espinoge Act. He helped himself to classified records without the right to do so. At the time he did not hold the privilege to classified materials because he was not under the Presidental Executive Branch . A very serious crime, punishable under the law making Biden a criminal... in other words, if you're a US government official, except for the president, and take classified materials, it's a crime, punishable by law, time in the Big House for a few years, regardless of age or mental status... listen to the legal experts on FOX. CNN and other fake media may laugh, but then they keep their viewers in the blind, the big cover - up is the plan.
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@skipvillanueva9927 The only mexica in the 1500s were the Aztec in Tenochititlan, renamed Mexico City by Spaniards. Tribes in what is todays America-Argentina to Alaska were not brothers. They were bitter enemies and inherent to their own innate tribes . They were never one government, or one people. They were territorial, violent and unconnected in geography, by great distances, and Aztecs are culturally connected to Central and South America tribes, not to northern tribes . Navaho, Ute, Comanche, Cherokee, Shasta, Chumash, Kumeyay, Arapaho , Tewa, Keres, Mohave and all other northern tribes never identified as Mexican. So it's the tribes south of Mexico better suited as your brothers.
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@skipvillanueva9927 Some left wing liberal deleted my comment, so I'll try again. Atzlan is not reality, it's a myth with various locations. Here or their, nothing tangabil. Amerindians migrated from primarily Asia and are not indigenous to what is today America. They were nomads migrating for centuries from the Bering north, many making their way south. Ancient peoples also were seafarers and likely winds brought them to America as Aztec had stories of the east, not north. There's no Atzlan in northern tribes mythology. But Aztec are connected to Central and South America tribes culturally and even Egypt as in religious priests and great pyramids. Atzlan is 1960s immigrant Mexican factions promoting in the USA "Chicano" history revision holding a grudge against America for Mexican War USA conquest falsely claiming stolen lands, attempting to hold ancient claims to the USA. Historical SW documentation does not support Chicano Studies. Mexican immigrants ancestry are not rooted in the USA. Mexicans have looked only north since after the Mexican War with USA westward movement approx 1880. And after the USA successfully developed a wilderness isolated unpopulated desert full of unconqueredtribes-- California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, immigrant Mexicans come along after 50 years, more or less to claim a mythical Aztlan and lands that were never theirs. And just in case the Aztec had migrated to the SW sometime about the year 900, the Aztec had long abandoned the north for greener pastures in Tenochititlan. Just as they had abandoned Asia or anywhere else. In fact, humans have migrated for centuries since before the beginning of recorded history and we all are brothers going back to the first civilization in mesopotamia over 4000 years ago and there's no going back. The interesting thing is Mexicans want to claim the USA SW, but never look south to Central America, same language and culturally connected.
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Actually the land was disputed land resulting from the Independence of the Republic of Texas . Mexico lost the Battle of San Jacinto and Texas. Upon the start of the Mexican War, Mexico had been a nation for only 25 years. Mexico stole Spains lands and claimed in its 1824 Mexican Constitution the unincorporated SW which were lands in north America left over after Spain Treaty'd off Florida and Louisiana. The SW were not historically Mexico. Mexico reached California after 1824, basically it was the unwelcomed Mexican government , then a few Mexican settlers bribed with Mexican land grants to settle in the distant wilderness, and in 25 years Mexicans never found the gold. Anglo Americans settlers were already in California by 1821, before Mexicans, it was Americans who found the gold. In fact Russia too claimed northern California , forcing Spaniards to colonize California in the late 1700s--Spanish Colonial settlers. California was never Mexican until the after the 1970s with US Immigration Act and turn of the 21st century illegal migration when uncontrolled hordes of Mexicans illegally crossed the border, elevating Mexican population.
Historically Mexico's borders changed a few times. From no Mexico prior to the 1800s, then before actual independence from Spain, under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution, Quasi Mexico did not claim today's SW. After Independence Mexico claimed its borders, untreaty'd by Spain. Spains monach never accepted defeat or independence. Borders were changed under the US/Mexico Treaty of GH, and then border changed under Gadsden Purchase Treaty. What is Mexico today is lands returned to Mexico under the Treaty of G Hidalgo. Easy to call Americans thieves. Mexico fought Spain for 10 years to gain independence, yet Mexico gave up on the Mexican War after only two years. Mexico didn't fight the USA hard enough, but then the SW was not Mexican. In fact there were hardly any south of the border Mexicans in the SW during the 25 years SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. Mexico brought soldiers from the south to fight the War in California and in New Mexico/Arizona there wasn't a Mexican soldier in sight when the Americans took the Territory. Mexicans migrated to border areas after the War 1880 which was after the US subjugated the warrior tribe's roaming and raiding Sonora and Sinaloa. More Mexicans migrated on trains with the 1910 Mexican Revolution .
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Not so unless you're Pueblo, Navaho, Apache, Comanche, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Shoshone, Karenkara, Cheyenne or other tribes from the far north. Mexico didn't enter California, New Mexico which included Arizona, Texas until after 1821, the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. South of the borderians have no ancestral roots in the USA.
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Amerindians were nomads who did not originate in the America's. There is archeological controversy on the age of humans and age of earth from just a few thousand years to many thousands, depending on the "science".,,, Amerindians were never one people or one government in the America's. They very well may have arrived on the continent from different peoples according to varied archeological theories. Not only Asian, but Euro Asian and other continents as humans migrated for centuries. Amerindians were genocidal warriors fighting for resources, the stronger survived as is typical in worldwide conquest. Upon European encounter in the 14th C, the European found tribes where they happened to be, after centuries of migration and abandoned lands, were still migrating to greener lands. In fact the Apache arrived in the SW from the north, just before the European. And the Comanche also from the north arrived in the SW well over a hundred years after the European about 1700. Amerindians were neither American, Canadian, Mexican, Central American, or South American until nations were created starting in 1776, the USA. Comanche and Kiowa hated Mexicans and were at constant battles with Sonora and Sinaloa after Mexican independence 1821, a new people and government on their lands. Unwelcomed. And Apache never could figure out why the USA paid Mexico 25 million dollars for SW lands the Apache inherently knew where not Mexico.
It's really odd how not only Mexican Indians, but factions of Mexican citizens of today's Mexico claim the north USA lands as theirs but never claim the lands to the south, Central America. Nevertheless, USA tribes do not acknowledge Mexican Indians as their brothers. Among today's USA tribes there were wars, slaves, and human conflicts same as what are today Mexican tribes--enemies, prior to European colonization. Would still be battling if not for the European colonization. USA Indians recognize their inherent lands as their tribes sovereign land and any non tribal Indian or any one other would be trespassing their lands without permission. So all this stuff on 13,800 years is a bunch of rubbish. Try this nonsense about claiming your lands in Central America and Canada and you'll find your 13,800 years laughable...No matter how you twist it.
USA tribes do not claim Mexico or Mexican lands as well as Central America or Canadian lands much less South America as theirs. Mexicans are the only neighboring border nation and Latin Americans who falsely claim stolen lands. It's radical far left wing, anti American indoctrination pushed by Mexican immigrant Chicano Studies. Part of cancel culture woke Socialism .
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Biden as President blamed Trump for all sorts of issues during Trumps first presidency. And is still blaming Trump. The View is no serious platform. Interviewing a past president who is not there is ridiculous. They are part of the Democrat propaganda covering up Bidens mental Incompetence. They believe their lying eyes and all are far left radicals. Hillary also claims Trump did not win her "stolen" election. Nothing unusual post elections. Anna is a Democrat propagandist. The Democrat political bosses had it with Bidens open secret senility and knew Biden was going to destroy himself, part of the political machines plan. Anna is only fooling those who are under informed. She respects a non funtional president and criticizes a fully funtional president because he's not cancel culture woke politics president. Trump exposes DC liberal corruption and Democrats hate it. Trump has done more for America in 1 month than Biden in four years. In fact, who was running the USA Anna. Not a mentally incompetent Biden. No 25th Amendment, no integrity by Democrats. Annas full of hogwash. Even Jill admitted her Democrat friends turned on the Bidens after the debate, campaign donations stopped. End of Biden no matter how much jill loves the old senile man who mumbled all over the view, Jill to the rescue, again on the Views dog and pony show. Bla, bla, bla.... Democrats are pointing and blaming each other on Joes failed administration. The pope otta teach morals, obedience to the law, respect for borders, honesty. And oppose all sorts of corruption. Otherwise he's no Christian.
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stevenjamison5896. Harris is the border czar and dropped the ball-- human trafficking, terrorists, gangs, rape, illegal migrant crime, Mexican cartels and smugglers controlling our borders-innocent children are missing, Harris has full authority to sign, today, all shecneeds is a pen, to close the border and get the Nation Guard for invasion on US soil.. Harris was the deciding Senate vote to pass the disastrous Inflation Reduction Act creating massive tax payer spending on give aways to special interests groups causing more Inflation for Americans. Biden had not been in charge of his faculties for three years, an open secret among Democrat media, politicians, elite donors - lying and deceiving Americans . As Biden has been in mental decline, Harris as VP is under constitutional obligation to use the 25th Amendment and never fulfilled her duty to Americans. Biden has no business under the Constitution to currently serve as President. Plus Biden failed to meet his obligation under the Presidential oath and was never impeached. Democrats are all talk as usual, crooked and do not serve Americans. In fact you can see Democrat Congress on TV, running away from reporters on questions about Harris policy. Cowards with no dignity. Educate yourself. Democrat history is slavery, racism, KKK, segregation, and mafia are Democrats. And todays Democrats are anti American Socialist marxist ideology, cancel culture, racist woke. Lie day in and day out, repeat, repeat, repeat Trump lies and Trump hate because Trump is a threat to Democrats fundamentally changing America. Trump is a true patriot defending America.
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No, Gadson Purchase lands wasn't even Mexico ancestrally. All lands were New Spain, which were many Territories, controlled by Spain in Mexico City. Spain gave up Florida and Louisiana by Treaties. And Mexico after independence grabbed what lands were left in north America of New Spain, which was from Central America to today's SW. These lands were not inherited from Spain, Spain did not acknowledge independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. There was never a treaty or agreement turning lands over to imperialist Mexico which claimed its lands under its 1824 constitution. Under Mexico's Apatzingan 1814 constitution California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. Mexicos borders changed within fourty years from no border/Mexico, Apatzingan border, 1824 border, 1848 border, and finally Gadson border 1854. Anti American movement history revionists, makes alot of noise over the SW Mexican Period which was all of 24 years. In fact the northern tribes Comanche, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Mohave, Yumas, Kumeyaay, Cheyenne, Shoshone, Apache, Navajo plus hundreds more never accepted Mexico in their ancient borders and never and still don't identify as Mexican. Mexico was late in SW history 1824, met with resistance and gone after 1848.
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Historically you are wrong. The Mexican heritage was brought to California and SW after the Mexican War to border areas especially after the 1910 Mexican Revolution. These lands are divided to three eras by SW historians. The 250 years Spanish Colonial Period since 1598, the brief 25 year Mexican Period 1821-1846, followed by the US Territorial Period or statehood after 1848. All part of New Spain, the towns and heritage were Influenced and governed by Spain, the villas and territories were named by Spain. By the time Mexico hit the far north 1821, these territories had been colonized by Spain by over two centuries. Mexico did not head north or colonize until approximately 1880 and Mexicans are immigrants in the United States. In fact there were few Mexicans in the US until the 1980s, and by 2000 they have flooded in illegally. Historically, the northern lands are not Mexico just like parts of Central America were under Mexican governance for a few years and broke away, but were never historically Mexican. Mexico's heart and core were central Mexico, not the outside edges of territories Mexico claimed, very distant and unincorporated under Mexico's government.
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@amacookies89 Mexico lands for 25 years that is....
25 years before tbe Mexican War, California, Texas , New Mexico which included Arizona were parts of New Spain, which were Spains lands. Spain explored and claimed all of New Spain and colonized during the Spanish Period in 1500s. Before 1821 there was no Mexico or Mexican. Same as before 1776 there was no USA or American. Spain and Mexico were different era's and different governing bodies. The USA and Mexico were formed from Great Britain's New England Colonies and many of Spains Territories since the 1500s to 1800s. Mexico is a Johnnie come late 1821 in both Mexican and US history.
During the Spanish era California and SW were influenced by Spain-Spains government brought the colonizers, flag, finances, heritage, language, missions, names of villas, a European Spanish heritage etc under New Spains viceroy who acted on behalf of Spains king to indigenous lands. 1810, parts of New Spain battled Spain for independence of which the territories of California, Texas, New Mexico did not participate with Mexico City and surrounding territories for independence. Under the Apatzingan first constitution of Mexico 1814, California, Texas, New Mexico were not Mexico. Mexicos 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution claimed Spains lands for the Republic of Mexico under no Treaty and the people under Mexico's government became Mexican citizens under its constitution.
Spanish Colonial settlers had been living in California Territory, New Spain, since 1770 and these people were the foundation of California society, Californios, under Spain. The California Indians were unconquered , dangerous and did become not part of Spanish society so Californios were not mestizo as the Indians and Spanish didn't merge not merge to a mestizo culture. All of New Spains far northern provinces were very distant and isolated from other parts of New Spain-- Louisiana, Florida, Cuba, today's Mexico, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans... in fact, Spain colonized California after two centuries of Spains claims to stamp its claim against Russian intrusion.
Mexican independence from Spain brought Mexican government officials to very distant and foreign California after 1824 informing Californios they were now Mexican citizens. They brought a handful of Mexicans from the south with them during the California Mexican Period 1821-1846. California was very far away in the desert with raiding Indians and didn't attract Mexicans transplanting north. In fact when the USA attacked California after defeating New Mexico, California barely had a Mexican in sight , Mexico had to bring in troops from far south to battle Americans. So California after 1824 was part of the young nation of Mexicos quasi government. The United States was no longer negotiating with Spain after 1821. Any negotiations, treaties, purchases etc were between Polk, or USA and Mexico after 1824, to answer your question. After 1848 Californios became USA citizens under the Treaty of GH. Most were the Spanish settlers since before independence. Mexico claimed California for only 25 years. California is not ancestrally Mexico. Mexicans began migration to California border areas with USA westward movement mostly during the 1910 Mexican Revolution with availability of trains. Bottom line, Mexican ancestry roots are south of today's border. The Spanish colonial settlers, Californios, from the Spanish era were not ancestral Mexican. US Americans settled in California about 1821 decades before Mexican settlers were attracted to the far northern isolated wilderness desert of California. US Americans are just as California as Mexicans, even more so. Both immigrated in the 1800s. But it was USA westward movement. Manifest Destiny, USA statehood that made the California desert wilderness under the USA prosperous and after California's development, Mexicans look only north. After California USA statehood, the sparse Spanish colonists and heritage were absorbed by Americans and Mexicans. The Indians were subjugated by the US government and many California tribes are US sovereign nations. The Mexican culture in California is from Mexico decades after the Mexican War.
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@amacookies89 interesting you mention Spanish American as this is the identity of most northern NMs who don't identify to Mexico or Mexican culture although were mandated Mexican citizenship for 25 years under the Mexican goverenment and flag. This includes many from central NM as well who are closer to the Mexican border.
The early Spanish Colonial settlements during the Spanish Period were from Socorro to Taos, in Pueblo Indians territories. The Spanish lived apart from all Indians tribes, never to merge to a mestizo culture. The heritage remained Spanish, the Indians remained Indian, unlike today's Mexico where the Spanish and Indian formed a mestizo culture,
After the Mexican War approx 1880 south of the borderians from Chihuahua began migration to border areas establishing border towns and brought the Mexican mestizo having direct connections to Mexico in blood and culture to southern NM. Northern New Mexico is historically Spanish heritage and rarely identify to Mexican or mestizo. While southern New Mexico is Mexican or Mexican American. There were some Chihuahuans/Sonorans who relocated to central/ northern NM after 1880, and identify to Mexico or others are more connected to northern NM by blood connections and generations of Spanish NM and identify as Spanish as this has become their heritage and family.
Northern NM did not offer job opportunities and not many Mexicans were attracted to northern NM, so a Mexican culture never established in northern New Mexico as in Texas where the Spanish settlers there, in time, were absorbed by Mexicans to lose their Spanish heritage, some still loosely connect to Spanish Texas. And today identify as Mexican. But during the Mexican Period, California and SW it was generally Mexican government officials who transplanted to the Spanish far north, met with rebellion. There were rarely Sonorans or Sinaloans who came north in those days. Texas needed settlers as it was unpopulated and Mexico brought Americans under land grants as settlers, Mexicans weren't attracted to the isolated uninhabitable desert full of raiding Indians. Interestingly the Spanish Tejanos sided with American Texans towards Texas independence from Mexico. Some of those historically informed Tejanos today will say, it was the Americans who called them Mexican back in the mid/late 1800s. Mexican was not their self identify, it was an imposed identity by Mexico and Americans after 1824. The same can be said of Spanish central/northern Nuevomexicanos and Spanish Californios, though the Spanish in California, too, were absorbed by the Mexican and American over time. Northern NM was able to keep the Spanish heritage and identity because the Mexican was rare and had little influence over much of New Mexico. Back during the Mexican Period 1821-1846, were there rarely northern NMs who were patriotic towards Mexico as Padre Martinez of Taos, who was schooled in Durango Mexico and Mexican influenced. Any Mexicans patriotism waned after the Mexican Period. Which central/ northern New Mexican celebrates Mexican Independence Day. A big celebration in Mexico. Really there's no historical connection to Mexico in north/central NM except for the 25 year Mexican Period.
Zorro is Hollywood fiction.
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@amacookies89 Just because there's little Mexican influence, doesn't mean one is Mexican. Anglo Americans came to NM also by 1821, and more about 1880. They influenced the Spanish American significantly more than the Mexican, doesn't mean the Spanish are Anglo. The Pueblo Indians were significantly influenced by the Spaniard in the 1600s. Doesn't mean they are Spanish.
I've paid attention to Longoria and she doesn't knows the history of the Spanish Colonial Tejano and conflates both Mexican and Spanish. Totally different. As the Spaniard did not have an indian mentality as does the mestizo. Typically Tejanos, they weren't many during the 18th 19th centuries in Tejas and lost the Spanish heritage to blend in with the late 1800s Mexican who migrated to border areas. Mexican culture is mestizo, merged cultures. Not so in central/northern NM, the cultures are not merged. Indians call themselves Indian even if they have Spanish blood. They have called the Spanish, "Spanish" for four hundred years and still do. The northern Spanish still call the Indian "Indian" and the Spanish American identify as Spanish even if of mixed blood. No one identifies mestizo. Same as the English and French who's mixed with Indian are metis, don't identify as metis, they identify by culture that raised them, depending on which side of the fence, Indian or Spanish.
The original Spanish Nuevomexicanos is not Latin American or southern NM. Not immigrants and were in NM before there was a Mexico. In fact New Spains far northern territories, California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas were barely populated by Spain. Too dangerous and uninhabitable because Spain did not conquer the Navaho, Apache, Ute, Comanche, Mohave, Shasta, Chumash, Shoshone, Kiowa , Piaute plus hundreds of tribes. These territories were very distant New Spain outposts to ward off Russian and French. And were barely populated. Mexico brought 1 or 2 Mexicans to the north after independence during the Mexican Period so basically it was the Spanish colonists by far who lived in CA, NM, TX. And many didn't welcome the Mexican government.
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@amacookies89 I am well aware of Spanish Colonists. New Mexico was the first to colonize 1n 1598, Under Spain which explored, claimed, colonized, created New Spain from from California to Florida, Pacific Coast, today's Mexico, Cuba, Central America, Phillipines, Caribbeans, plus. Spain governed New Spain through Spains viceroy, controlled the political climate, finances, infrastructure, education, religion, language, Spains influence in all of New Spains territories near and far. Texas colonists were Spains Natchitoches settlers from the Louisiana border who were relocated to San Antonio and Spain brought colonists from the Canary Islands by ships. El Paso attempted colonization but never materialized until much later. Longoria family was most likely somewhere between Nachotiches, Canary Islands, El Paso, San Antonio, Spain as Spanish Colonists under strict Spaniard rule from Spain. Texas origin was indigenous, France claimed Texas, Spain was the longest about 150 years, Mexico 15 years, Texas Republic 10 years , and the rest is USA.
Wide areas of Texas was developed by Anglo American Texans before Mexican migration. Mexico was not Spain. Mexico was founded by mestizos, had no influence as Spains great empire, had no treasury, many were anti Spanish wanting separation from Spain, and proud of their Indian blood. Those mestizo migrated to Texas about 1880, and yes, there had already been non mestizo culture Spanish colonizers who had been in Texas since early 1700s. And now consider themselves Mexican as they are highly influenced by Mexico because there was an influx of Mexicans who migrated to border Texas bringing the Mexican mestizo culture.
Central/northern NM whose ancestry is Spanish heritage has a different experience as they were not Indian or mestizo influenced. As the New Mexico heritage for 223 years was from Spain, Spanish was the tongue the Spaniards brought, was the language of the people which came from Spain. 223 years of under Spain is never erased overnight, not even after 400 years. During the US Territorial Period, although under US government, official proceedings were in Spanish as well as media, business, documents etc. As well as translated. Under statehood, legislative proceedings as well as the Judicial system were bilingual with interpreters to translate every degree of the language to Spanish or English giving Spanish New Mexicans about 20 years to assimilate to English language, Mexicans from down south as they too became New Mexican migrating to NM Territory much later. The official NM language is Spanish as well as English as Spanish was at that time the dominant language in Spanish US America. Both the Anglo American and Spanish American, New Mexico legislators worked in unison, towards the interests of NM American statehood. 25 years does not make a Mexican. Mexican is a citizenship of the nation of Mexico , not a race. Mexican American immigrants roots are in Mexico. Mexico had little influence on Spanish NM, the Spanish language and Spanish heritage, culture had been in northern NM for over two centuries by Spain before Mexico arrived a Johnnie come late in California and SW history after 1824, very late in today's history. In fact, Mexico's culture, art, icons, Indian religion, indigenous tribes are connected to Central American and even South America, not to the US tribes. Again the Mexican identity was not the identity of Spanish NM. It was imposed by Mexico and Americans. Spanish NM through history, were Españoles and northern NM was Spanish American identity since statehood. Spanish for the heritage from Spain, and American for the US America. Spain after 300 years upon US statehood, left a strong Spaniard stamp in central northern NM. Ask any SW Spanish Colonial historian.
Why the infatuation of Zorro a fictitious character. I prefer real history.
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To begin with, California and SW were too distant and out in the unpopulated wilderness which was barely colonized during the Spanish Colonial Period, the majority indigenous were never conquered and territories basically served as outposts to ward off French intrusion to Spains lands. Upon Mexico's independence 1821 the young Republic of Mexico opened the borders and allowed commercial trade with Americans via the Old Santa Fe Trail from Missouri and mountain fur traders. Americans began settling in California and New Mexico since 1821 as Mexican citizens. interestingly those from Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa or other Mexicans didn't migrate after independence... They migrated after the Mexican War, primarily in the 1880s. These isolated lands had been open to takeover by Great Britain, France and Russia. And would likely have been sold by Spain to the United States if not for Mexican independence as Spain barely financed its far north territories in close proximity to the United States. Spain had treatied off Louisiana and Florida at the turn of the 19th century. At the same time at war in Europe, no longer the world power, too much unattended lands, and its finances were troubled. Spain had negotiated with M Austin for American land grant settlements in Texas. Basically the writing was on the wall... Spain did not accept Mexican independence or turn over its far north territories to Mexico which Mexico claimed. Mexicos first claim to independence 1814, the Apatzingan constitution did not name California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas as provinces. These territories never joined today's central Mexico in its political dynamics or fight for independence. Mexico or Aztec mexica tribes was inclusive of only Mexico "City" valleys and territories on to Mayan lands which are connected in cultures centuries before European intrusion. Spain referred to Europeans in these territories as Españoles Mexicanos as these Spanish resided in mexica Aztec valleys. That was the extent of "Mexico" in 1519. Much of today's central Mexico was the Territory of the Kingdom of Mexico, which was just one of New Spains many territories, not all territories were inclusive of Aztec tribes. New Spains divided territorial names are available on any New Spain map prior to 1821 which also included Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines, Central America. It was Spain later in the 1500s who had opened the way to the north territories away from mexica lands, consisting of lands of many non Aztec tribes and then moving even further north to others tribes as Navaho, Shasta, Mohave, Piaut, Kiowa, etc.... Never known as Mexico until 1821, the Mexican Period short lived, all of 26 years. Mexico City the heart and core of Mexicos new Republic. The far north was never historically Mexico as any northern indigenous tribe can attest to. All of this Mexican land nonesense is just a sham...Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos never really embraced the new strangers in town, Mexican officials after 1821. Tejanos fought for independence alongside American settlers, political differences and high taxes warranted independence from Mexico also by Californios and Nuevomexicanos. Folks make a mountain of a molehill over twenty six years. 10 for Texas...
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How so.... There are millions of Africans, Asians, Cubans, Colombians, Hondurans, Europeans, South Americans, Middle Easterns, bla, bla, bla in the United States.
Are you Navaho, Comanche, Piaut, Kiowa, Caddo, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Ute, Pueblo, Apache, Pawnee or other northern tribe. Most likely not. How can you take back land that was never yours ...
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@harpoonmcfierce9697 There is justification for conquest, it is winning a war. War and conquest are the history of the world. Mexico is a western nation, it's goverenment, Constitution and name of country -- Estados Unidos Mexicano's modeled after the USA. As a western nation Mexico conforms with conquest, treaty, purchase, border changes. This is exactly what transpired after the Mexican War. Nowhere is there any documentation on stolen Mexican lands. The United States conquered all of Mexico and like a good neighbor gave the heartland, Mexico's core back to Mexico and on top of that, purchased the isolated distant frontier wilderness of the SW with thousands of unconquered Apache, Navajo, Comanche who never acknowledged Mexico as the lands were inherently SW and California tribes indigenous lands. Lands not historically Mexico's, Mexico had claimed them, just since 1824. Easy come, easy go....
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@harpoonmcfierce9697 Hey, who said the United States is flawless. There are many who recall segregation, yet experience a much better life than their grandparents, admittedly so. They recall things they no longer experience within a generation. Now you go nap in the clouds. Someone who chooses to see Mexico as stolen, ignores the progress of citizens of color, reparations, civil rights; ignores an ancient psyche, progress of a nation within two and a half centuries, over an exaggerated systematic racism, critical race theory, white guilt or racist causes demeaning the United States which is flawed like any other nation is a waste of time. Your mind is set on lopsidedness. Good day.
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@sandra-ho2zf All we can do is vote Republican. Democrat's historically pushed slavery, racism, klutz, civil war, segregation, anti Semititizm . Today Democrat's push history revion, racism, cancel culture, stolen lands, anti Americanization, uncontrolled open borders, too much government, overspending, and everything else un-American . Vote early, vote in person, don't hand your absentee ballot to anyone you don't know or trust...
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THis is racist rubbish. The so called "Mexican" citizens of that time 1841-1848 and Indians living in California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were protected under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo to become USA citizens after 1848, Indians were placed in reservations after the US Army halted dangerous Indian raids on citizens and placed tribes under protection by the Bureau of indian Affairs , to date are protected under US Federal Law, tribes get insane funding annually and are sovereign nations. Genocide is ridiculous, lives lost in Indian battles in the late 1800s were not genocide, which is over stated. This comment is anti American propaganda. True Kit Carson probaby killed more Indians than any of Spains soldiers, Spain never conquered the northern tribes in 250 years. And Mexico's 25 years in CA, NM, TX barely had control over the lands which were autonomous and Mexico had zero control over the northern Indians tribes who battled and hated Mexico.. And mestizo was not even the culture in the far north as the Indian and Spanish typically did not mix and each lived separately and practiced their own culture. The Spanish lived in their towns and Indians lived either in a Pueblo or way off , unconquered tribes hundreds of miles away disconnected from the Spanish except for raids or captives.... So mestizo was not the culture in New Spains far northern territories as in Latin America...
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@briangarcia1975 Not all territories of New Spain are Mexico today, including the southwest. Exploration from Vera Cruz to the northern tierras nuevas California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas took about 50 years, by ship, horse and advanced weapons in exploration and conquest of some of the Indians from those territories which later became additional territories to New Spain. 300 years later Mexico claimed independence from Spain and these northern territories quasily came under young Mexico's domain for a brief 25 years at the most. Mexicans migrated to US border areas after the Mexican American War. Except for Mexican officials who came north after Independence and were rejected as estranjeros. Among Mexico's many issues, one was nationism and patriotism in the far north and far south territories from Mexico City. Mexicans did not colonize or conquer the Indians of CA, NM, AZ, TX. In fact these territories and their people were hundreds to a thousand miles from today's Mexico. Mexico used Texas American settlers to fight off the Comanche. These territories were in the isolated distant frontier wilderness close to nowhere with hundreds of miles of barren nothing but raiding Indians between the few Spanish colonies of the SW and territories of what is today Mexico. The SW Indians were at war with Mexico after independence. The Apache criticized the United States for paying the young nation of Mexico 15 million dollars for lands the Apache knew was not inherently Mexico. Additionally Anglo Americans settled starting 1821 California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas before Mexicans migrated north about 1880 to the United States border establishing border settlements near the border along with Anglo Americans as these areas had no populations. This was after the Mexican American War, the United States had defeated the SW Indians and the territories were safer for migration and living conditions were then livable. History needs to be put in proper perspective. Then these is also the Treaty of G Hidalgo agreement which only protected the SW population for American citizenship.
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Mexico stole the land from Spain 1821, and the SW was not historically Mexico. Mexico claimed the SW 1824 under Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution, for only 25 years. Under an earlier Apatzingan Constitution 1814, California, New Mexico/ Arizona, Texas are not Mexico. The United States did not take the land, in fact what is today Mexico is lands returned to Mexico under the Treaty of GH. The USA conquered Mexico at a War Mexico didn't fight hard enough. In fact Mexico battled Spain for a decade and quit the Mexican, USA War after two years. The USA could have taken All of Mexico but was interested in the SW.
Nuesta tierra of who.... Todays Mexico was only part of New Spain, governed and controlled by Spain for up to 300 years. New Spain was different Territories from California to Florida, Pacific coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Cuba, Central America, Philippines, Caribbeans. Different geographies, different tribes, different cultures, different histories. Nuesta tierra would be your land, tribes, people, culture. The SW is excluded from todays Mexico in numerous ways since SW settlements began 1598 very far away from Mexico City and Florida, New Spain.
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These wokes suffered nothing during the Trump Administration. Under Biden USA were forced a vaccine, people lost jobs, schools were closed, businesses were drowned, economy was shut down, Afghanistan took our soldiers and properties, and how about second class citizens over illegal migrants who have no business crossing our borders.. Republicans in jail--this is not China and whoopi is very dumb on Supreme Court and all. Navarra can jump all she wants, but ole yeller was on top of nothing except for whatever they pumped him with after practicing him none stop on the teleprompter for a Democrat political rally... Worst State of the Biden, ever...
Ask for reparations from Africa who sold their own natives to Europeans back in 1400s. These racists think slavery was born in America by Europeans, but slavery is as ancient as the bible. Even Amerindians practiced slavery amongst themselves before European intervention. The Black Moores invaded southern Spain 700AD and occupied for 700 years, prominently influenced Spain. Spain colonized the Caribbeans, today's Mexico, Central and South America, Philippines, Pacific Coast, United States SW all the way to Florida-- Spanish America. 10th grade history. This snowflake went to college to be indoctrinated, not USA history educated. All she needs is to look in the mirror, hardly a trace of African blood.
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Spain did not control Mexico. Same as Great Britain did not control the USA. Before the USA and Mexico existed as nations the lands were New Spain Territories governed by Spain, New England Colonies governed by England. After independence parts of New Spain Territories became Mexico, and the English Colonies became the USA, neither no longer controlled by a monarch. Rather governed by Republic. 300 years before all of this, these were indigenous lands invaded by European Spain and England èach making claims on lands. Spain claimed much of what is today the USA. Never black or white. 1700s were Pacific Coast disputes among Spain, Russia, England. France jumped in. All this time Indians were in the background, neither American, Mexican or Canadian for 300 years. Subjugated by the young nations to become USA, Mexico, Canada in North America. 1800s treaties and new borders among Spain, France, USA. Later land disputes between USA and Mexico after a Territorial conquest. War and conquest. Historical events, all documented..
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The inheritance of committing fraud LOL, LOL..... Which racists, Mexican or American. Racism was not a primary issue in 1848. You're ignoring a Protestant country to a Catholic country, an English language compared to a Spanish language; not to mention, Mexico's racist, mixed culture, corrupt dictorial politics. The USA used good judgement, didn't need the headache of transferring deep seated Mexican racism, culture, political issues to America. The Mexican War was not fraud, it was typical war over land. Mexico started the war on disputed territory. Mexico was not stolen regardless of anyone's skin color. The USA had a vision for a few territories which were not inherently Mexico, way to far from central Mexicos heart and core, these distant northern isolated territories were in close proximity to the US and a wasteland for Mexico. These territories were controlled by unconquered tribes which Spain never conquered. Mexican Indians know their native tribes and lands which were NOT Comanche, Mohave, Ute, Caddo, Shasta, Chumash, Navajo, Apache, Pueblo Piaute, Kiowa etc if you get the picture. On the other hand, these tribes know their inborn lands. These tribes still have their lands and not crying over Mexico which they never claimed. Nothing was stolen from Mexico.
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Vote Republican for America. Democrat politicians are radical far left cancel culture anti American woke cult who promote hatred for Americans history, demolishing historical monuments, suppression of speech, hate right to bear arms, separation of power-- in other words hate the constitution, it's forefathers -- go around it, under it, over it to destroy it so they can fundamentally change America. Democrats hate democracy, hate what our constitutional republic stands for-we the people. Democrats are the enemy of we the people with a president who has violated his presidential oath and a Harris who stands behind him on open borders, border crisis, illegal migration crisis, election interference, failure to enforce voter integrity, destabilizaton of America, forcing vaccines on our bodies, transgending children without parents consent, away parental consent, men in woman's sports. So where is democracy. 79% Americans feel Harris is on the wrong track and she failed to defend herself to 79% of we the people. Great Harris interview ever with FOX, no wonder she was 17 minutes intentionally late and her team rushed Baier to finish it up quickly so Harris could get the heck out of there... she calculated, typical of her dirty politics record.
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@georgeluna5845 My comment is based on history as I am well aware of SW history... I don't conflate the Spanish Period with the Mexican Period. And am well aware of Spains separate territories in New Spain, exploration and discovery periods and land claims by Great Britian, France and Spain. And Russia interest in claiming lands. I am well aware if the English had discovered the territories of what is today the SW, or even todays Mexico, who knows what would have evolved, as it is heavily Spanish influenced. It was all historical events; first exploration and discoveries, first to claim the territory's, conquest, independence, treaties, land disputes, border issues, wars, negotiations, land purchases, border changed. I'm fully aware the Yaqui, Navajo, Ute, Comanche, Apache Kiowa, Pawnee, Pueblo and a host of California tribes did not recognize the young country of Mexico and at least the Apache, Comanche and Yaqui battled with Mexico after independence for trespassing on their indigenous lands. There was no Mexico until 1824, these Indians are not Mexican, never recognized themselves Mexican as they knew their lands were not Mexico. The Apache criticized the United States for paying 15 million dollars to Mexico, land not Mexico's by SW Indians claims on these lands. Mexico of 1824 was hundreds of miles to the south, another world. You need to check the history.
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@Paul_ZK Your just a Mexican propagandist. Legally??? Spains laws in the 1500s legally were enforced in the New World. Spains laws and Spains great empire controlled the many separate territories, the natives, the Church, the lands. In New Spain which included the Caribbeans, Cuba, Philippines, Central America, today's Mexico, Florida which extended to todays Louisiana, todays SW-California to Texas. But especially so in the territories encompassing what is central Mexico today (Mexico City) as this was where Spains Vice Royal was politically seated to govern New Spain along with Spains Catholic Bishops who controlled all aspects of life and where the bulk of monies were lavishly spent, after all this was where the Aztec mexica tribe gold was found. The Republic of Mexico was a Johnny come very late 1824 to California and the SW. In fact the California and SW tribes NEVER knew themselves to be Mexicans in their inborn northern land's, this still stands to date. The tribes knew theIr inate lands which they fiercely protected. Take the Pueblo Indians who in 1682 chased the Spanish off (Pueblo Indian Revolt) their inherent lands to the south, todays Juarez, once off their lands the Pueblo didn't care where the Spanish went, ancient borders talk..... Don't conflate Spain with Mexico which were separate entities. Totally different governments. Mexico never had the power, influence, money, accomplishments that Spain once held. In fact there would be no Mexico if not for Spains 300 years developing what later became Mexico. It was Spain who renamed Aztec Tenochitlan, Mexico City after the.local mexica tribe, later to be known as the valley of Mexico which was not the home to all tribes, which were enemies, the valley was specific to the mexica tribe. And there would be no Mexico today if these first inland territories had not gained independence from Spain, these being the young Mexico's heart and core...
History did not begin in 1824 when Mexico became a nation as you assume. Back in 1517, when Cortez landed in Vera Cruz, there was no Mexico or Mexican, much less was there a Central America or United States SW that was ever Mexico. The English arrived in Jamestown not the United States in 1610, growing into English colonies.So there was no USA American. Neither historically or logically did early European settlers conquor a Mexico or United States. They were all just territories or colonies claimed by Spain or Great Britain. Historical events make todays world borders. Cry baby Mexican propagandists make a mountain of a mole hill, the Republic of Mexico claimed the SW for barely 25 years at the most. Russia claimed northern California before there was even a Mexico, France had claimed Texas, in fact Texas got its name from the Louisiana Caddo tribe many moons before there was ever a Mexican. Americans settled California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas almost a century before immigrant Mexicanos migrated to border areas. In fact Mexicans ancestors are deep rooted in today's Mexico, not north of the border, United States. New Spain's territories were separated by up to over a thousand miles in distance, different cultures, peoples, tribes, geography, local politics, histories. It was the territories around central Mexico who went to war with Spain and gained independence, became Mexico. Mexico later tried imperialism into the far distant territories who were not inherently a part of the young Mexico. They were quasi unincorporated territories out in the middle of nowhere, self governed and basically answered to no one after Spains departure, yet included as provinces in Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution as citizens. Forced citizens. During the over two centuries SW Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821, todays Spanish colonized SW was known as California, Nuevo Mexico, Tejas. They were not identified as Mexico except from 1824 to 1848, only ten years for Texas. The USA conquered all of Mexico during the Mexican War. Victor takes the spoils. Looks like you need a history lesson.
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Under the 1814 Apatzingan 1st Mexico constitution, California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. Within four decades Mexico's borders changed five times from no borders as there was no Mexico, to 1814 Apatzingan border, to 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos under the young Republics constitution border, to the 1848 USA border under GH Treaty border, to 1852 border under the Gadsden Purchase Treaty. The SW was governed by Mexico for barely 25 years known as the SW Mexican Period and since 1848 SW is part of the US of A. The SW as part of New Spain, under Spains lands for 275 years, Mexico 25 years, 10 for Texas and USA for 200 years. Period... SW is not ancestrally Mexico, in fact Mexico was a Johnnie come late to the SW, not until after 1824 and unwelcome by northern tribes, Apache, Kumeyaay, Mohave, Navajo, Ute, Kiowa, Chumash, Piaute, Shoshone, Comanche, Pueblo, Cheyenne to name various few who never acknowledged Mexico in their inherent lands or identified as Mexican. Comanche and Kiowa terrorized Sonora and Sinaloa leaving them in shreds. San Diego Kumeyaay attacked outsider Mexicans along with other California tribes. Mexicans came to California, New Mexico, Texas as outsiders and Mexicans government officials were gone by 1848 after the Mexican War...
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I believe in God. But it looks like Satan's in charge. Corruption, indoctrination not education, history revision, transgender, abortion, crime, Socialism, open borders, abuse of tax payer dollars, election interference. Wake up America, we need a Republican administration, hopefully Trump...
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@xj4low322 It's never been proven that Trump lost the election, Biden won by a margin and fraudulent votes is a fact. Most people who get CoVID, regardless if vaccinated or not, do not end up in ICU. Biden is a hypocrite, he is a CoVID spreader by opening up the border to illegal foreigners CoVID carriers in spite of the surge in CoVID cases, no social distancing and free to roam, thousands unmasked, creating chaos. What kind of president is that. The presidents first responsibility is to protect our border. Trump would never have allowed unvetted migrants with CoVID into our borders as Trump supported Americans. Trump was about individual choice, Biden is a dictator and has no respect for HIPPA or an individuals right under the law to refuse medical treatment and ordering federal workers around in regards to an experimental vaccine, not approved by FDA . CoVID is political, mandates are hypocritical. Science is neither here or there, it changes from day to day. CDC reverses it's descision to no end. Close the border Biden, help stop the spread of CoVID, show respect for Americans who live in border communities and the rest of the United States.
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Couldn't give Mexico back, because California was really not Mexico to begin with. The Mexican government came to the distant far north wilderness after 1824, because
the Republic of Mexico, Estados Unidos Mexicanos Constitution 1824, listed today's SW under Mexico as provinces, not states. Historically this was the SW Mexican Period of only 25 years. Quasi governed by Mexico during this Period. American settlers were in California by 1821, before Mexicans who migrated after 1880 with USA westward movement. Mexicans are immigrants in the US, their ancestors never rooted anywhere USA. Historically California was indigenous tribes as Shasta, Chumash, Chilula, Yukuts, Kumeyay, plus hundreds other tribes, later explored and claimed by Russia and Spain, colonized by Spain centuries before the very brief Mexican Period 1821-1846.
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Mexicans didn't take it back as California, New Mexico , Texas weren't ancestrally Mexico to begin with. The USA took New Mexico by just entering Santa Fe and claiming it. Not one Mexican soldier in sight, not one shot was fired. Next the USA easily took California with hardly a Mexicans soldier in sight . Why because Mexicans were never from California or the SW. Two hundred years ago Mexicans had no need for the desert wilderness, with hundreds of wild unconquered raiding Indians attacking villages in California, New Mexico or Texas after Mexican independence. Independent Mexico brought American settlers with land grants to Texas which needec a population, and a handful of Mexican soldiers under land grants to encourage settlers in California. Took bravery and integrity to live in the isolated far north . It was tough Spanish Colonists with guts who toiled the soil and fought off the Indians for love of the land since 1598 on these far northern New Spain outposts to guard against Russian and French intrusion during the Spanish Colonial Period. Same with Texas American settlers during the following Mexican Period who toiled the land and fought the Comanche and the Mexican gaining Texas independence. South of the borderians never had ancestral roots in California or SW. And migrated after the USA subjugated the California and SW Indians who never identified as Mexican, you know, the Comanche. Apache, Kiowa who hated and terrorized Sonora and Sinaloa. And all those other northern tribes Mohave, Chumash, Ute, Shasta, Piaut, Shoshone plus many tribes nothing Mexican. There's nothing to reclaim or nothing stolen. It's coveting your neighbors land as Mexicans only looked north after USA westward movement. No one goes south, Mexico lost those lands too... If California, New Mexico, Texas lands were still an isolated wilderness desert , Mexico would look pretty good.
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Tough enough to do the interview, intelligent enough to question the government. Covid was a farce-vaccines, masks, distancing, closures, hysteria. The science was there, but no, the government wanted to dictate to Americans. People lost their jobs for refusing the jab. Meds were available, Biden censured. You want mental issues, take a look at all those politicians and media who cover up Bidens lies, say he's doing great, while our nation crumbles. Biden said he would eradicate Covid, it's still here - to stay, vaccinated or not. Today, medication is administered. Looks like you need to question and inform yourself...
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Harris that tough prosecutor is afraid of FOX. Whatever happened, she told Doocy, at the DNC, when he caught her off guard, Harris gleeing with pride after Democrat elite donars pumped her with a fake veneer. Telling Doocy she was working on doing FOX. Whats the problem with the 40 year tough politician who can't face FOX. She can barely do interviews with her friends on ABC, CNN, Black journalists, Oprah, much less FOX where theres no bias, no friends, no shoulder. Lied to FOX.
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You need to go back to the early 1500s when the European Spanish arrived in what they named Vera Cruz and continued on to Tenochtitlan, the Aztex lands, renamed Mexico City by Spain for the mexica Aztec tribes. Spain continued exploration and claimed more lands each with different tribes, indigenous names and in time, some towns were given Spanish names These lands became New Spain. But it was not Mexico in the 1500s. Explorations continued for decades reaching the far north, California, New Mexico and Texas, claimed for Spain each named as a territories, also became parts of New Spain. Spain classified its people in New Spain as Peninsulares who came directly from Spain, crillos who were Spaniards born in New Spain, mestizo of mixed blood, Indian and mulatto. The only who Spain identified as Mexican were the Aztec from the valley of the mexica in Mexico City In the Territory of the Kingdom of Mexico as was identified by Spain . Other tribes were not mexica Aztec and were not Mexicans until 1821 when that part of New Spain became Mexico through independence from Spain under its new constitution of Estados Unidos Mexicanos. So Mexicans have been Mexican citizens only since 1821. A Mexican is a citizen of Mexico comprised of peoples from many nations just as anywhere in America. As far as language, different people spoke different languages, the Indians learned Spanish as New Spain was governed by Spain and the tribes also spoke their inherent tribal tongue. Pre 1821 the Indians did not identify as Mexican unless they were Aztec tribes from Mexico City mexica valley. You need to follow history along to get yesteryears perspective . Just because parts of New Spains territories became Mexico, a new nation in 1821 and its citizens became Mexican, doesn't mean the land had always been Mexico, Same with the English colonies which became the USA in 1776. New nations were founded in America on Indigenous lands that had no nations or names upon European explorations.
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The young Republic of Mexico did not rent land to Americans. Mexico took control of Texas after independence and made out homestead land grants to Americans to populate Texas as settlers, because there were hardly any populations in the isolated wilderness vast lands. Also Mexico needed settlers to fight off the fierce Comanche and shield Mexican back in Chihuahua from the trembling fear they had for the Comanche. Mexico did not enforce its rules on slavery or anything much else. In fact, California and the SW were unincorporated provinces and pretty much automous and heavily taxed by the newly established Mexican government, Mexicans immigrated to the north after the United States came west. Their ancestral roots are not anywhere USA. Not to be conflated with Spanish Colonial settlers who had been in New Mexico, Texas and California since 1598- 1770. And were mandated Mexican citizenship for 25 years, yet many sided with the Americans. These became US citizens 1848. Spain sparsely populated these territories because the far north was much too dangerous, the Indians unconquered and warriors. But Spain needed northern outposts to ward off the French and Russian and these tough colonists survived through faith and self perseverance in an isolated land ..
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@zhiyongzhang6513 apparently she cannot multitask. She'snot around for four days preping for tbe debate on her terms. Trump can do all; debate, interview, press conference. No problem. He is tough as steel and bold as they come. Harris does no interviews or press conferences. She's running scared and changes her stripes with this policy today and another tomorrow. Who ever votes for Harris doesn't know who they're voting for. At least we all know what Trumps presidency was and yet to hear anybody went to jail, no one took their guns, no one was forced a vaccine, no one was forced an electric car, we all had beef, taxes were lowered, gasoline was affordable along with living expenses, secure border and we weren't spending millions on illegal migrants, no human trafficking, fentenol was a rarity, Trump made migrants stay in Mexico and on and on.
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New Spain was founded by the Spanish/Spain who controlled and financed every facet of life especially in the Mexico City valley which was the seat for the viceroy born in Spain, represented the King of Spain. Spain established the architecture, finances, university, libraries, hospital, education, travel, Inquisition, Catholicism, language, exploration, colonization, Indian warfare, political climate. New Spain began to sway away from Spain about 1800. The viceroy administration managed communication between Mexico City, for New Spains colonized territories thousands of miles away--California to Florida, Cuba, islands, Central America and all territories surrounding Mexico City to Vera Cruz, Sea of Cortez, Chihuahua. Basically he acted on behalf of the Crown.
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Which land back... The Apache, Navajo, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Caddo, Mohave, Chumash, etc if you get the picture aren't crying about wanting their lands back. They are US sovereign nations. In fact back during the Mexican War, they claimed no nation, only their own indigenous lands. They were neither Mexican or American. They inherently knew the United States paid Mexico for lands the Indians knew were not Mexico. Atrocities, no more atrocities than any other nation. Yes, the United States has its flaws but its the DNA of Declaration of independence, Constitution, Immancipation, freedom for all under the law and protection for the Indians under federal Indian Law. History is history, you cannot choose it any more than you choose family. People don't leave the United States, rather people pay cartels thousands of dollars to enter the United States illegally. Tell Putin the lands historically belonged to Spain, after battles between some New Spain territories and Spains very distant wilderness areas were claimed by Mexico for a very brief 25 years.
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@xavi4694 Wrong, they were still fighting in 1829, not until 1836 did Spain recognize independence. Spains acceptance of Mexico's independence was as good as the Treaty and Purchase between Mexico and the United States. Mexico did not steal from Spain anymore than the United States did not steal from Mexico. In fact the far north territories the US annexed were removed from the Mexican Constitution. You must be totally unaware that border are made by war. Mexico is not an exception. . . The United States did not invent borders. Land has been acquired by war for centuries, that's how Mexico became a nation 1824 and acquired it's land. Tell your imaginary Putin your ancestors never knew these lands, total strangers to the north. As if he cares... I suppose you want Central America back too. Mexico never conquered those northern warrior tribes, Constitution or not. The United States did. Nevertheless those tribes inherently knew they were/are not Mexican. Mexico never did colonize the unincorporated distant territories, instead Mexico allowed American settlements in Texas providing ownership by land grants. Mexicos heart and core was central Mexico, not the outer edges barren wilderness. The territories surrounding Mexico City were the people who wanted and fought for independence from Spain. Mexicans as well as Americans began migration north or to US border areas establishing isolated border settlements after the Mexican War, migrating after conditions were livable, the United States had quelled Indians by this time and they were no longer attacking and battling every human in sight. The Treaty, the border, the history like it or not. Mexico desperately needed the twenty five million real estate dollars more than a vast no mans uninhabitable wilderness with thousandd of uncontrolled Indians who hated the Mexican to the far south. Natural borders talk, lol.... Logically the United States stole nothing. Stealing Mexico is nothing but indoctrination for those who cannot reason for themselves . It's all part of hate the United States woke cultures revison history. Putin's military....why not Mexicos.
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Todd, Madcow, what was Trumps crime, who was the victim. Nobody knows. These Biden mouth pieces defame Trump, misled the public , trying to fool Americans that Republicans are the political enemy, so Democrat's have control over America, thats the Democrats unconstitutional plan. Yet pretencious on claiming democracy.
Now there's plenty of proof as to Hunters crimes who has been privileged and sheided all his life by his political hack dad from facing the consequences. Hunters military record is reportedly not exactly honorable... Hunter will be a pardoned White supremacist, while the unprevilaged go to jail. So stop the tears and tell the truth.
If Trumps children were found guilty, my gosh, they'd be trashing the family.
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@lucysanchez98 It was really Spains lands and the SW was claimed by Mexico, a new nation 1824, for only 25 years prior to the Mexican War. Had there been no independence, there would be no Mexico. Central America separated from the young Republic early after independence. Actually under Mexico's. first Apatzingan constitution, California, Texas, and New Mexico /Arizona, and adjoining lands to their north were not even Mexico. So the young "Mexico" within 33 years was many
border changes until 1854 with the Gadsden Purchase.
It was just what is today central Mexico that did the battling and involved in the political dynamics against Spain-- just a small portion of New Spain. So its no wonder Mexico lost so much land, and was fortunate land was returned, including its heart and sole, Central Mexico by the USA under the Treaty of GH. All of Mexico's lost lands were not historically Mexico. Mexico claimed much land for just a short time and didn't control them. Yucatan begged the USA for annexation. And many Chihuahuans feel cheated because the border was too far north for Americanization. Mexico was just not meant to be a humongous country or a great nation... Mexico since its early days 1821 was unable to control Mexico City and states in close proximity, much less provinces hundreds to a thousand miles away. Actually in those 25 years, the Mexican government officials never reached Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming as they were never colonized by Spain. Spain just claimed the lands and left them untouched. It was the USA who founded them.
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@willpickering5829 this says nothing on Indians being victimized by the 1846-1848 War. Spain was not a part of Mexico at that time. Spains era was 1519 - 1824 during which there was no Mexico. It was part of New Spain territories which became Mexico in 1824 according to Mexico's constitution. By this time Indians were not an issue, the Indians south of today's border were regular citizens under Mexico's new Constitution and participated in the MX AMER War. On the other hand, the unconquered SW Indians, today US tribes, were at war with the young Mexico after Independence 1824, never to acknowledge Mexico. Victims they were not. The Comanche raided Chihuahua slaughtering the town, just one of other raids. The Apache, Navajo and Yaqui too had their battles with the young nation of Mexico. These SW tribes were never conquered by Mexico 1824 - 1848. Or were they conquered by Spain, except for the Comanche, which resulted in a pact with northern New Mexico Spanish colonists during the Spanish era. Also the Pueblo and a handful of California tribes were Spanish civilized and Catholicized. Indians were not victimized during the War which was during a new era, a different government, 300 years after the Aztec conquest by Spain. All these Indians you mention still live in their indigenous lands in the United States, they were conquered. And today are tribal members of their sovereign lands, are recepients of reparations and get incredible annual tribal funding from the US government. Now Mexico, those Indians are different tribes under different laws in a different nation... Victims, by the War, no way....
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@willpickering5829 That's right, Spain was never a part of Mexico, or was Mexico part of Spain as there was no Mexico or Mexican until 1824. New Spain was not Mexico. The territories were not under the banner of New Spain, New Spain -- today's Mexico, Central America, Philippines, Caribbeans, Cuba, Pacific coast, California to Florida, plus were all parts of New Spain, under the same banner of Spain. Gaining independence from Spain. the new goverenment of Mexico had control of it's young nation which was not sparsely populated. 1825 these particular territories under the Constitution became Estados Unidos Mexicano's, it's citizens became Mexican. The Mexican American War was just that, a war. The winner takes the spoils. In war there is no right or wrong,. War is life, winner or looser. Conquest has been an established standard for centuries. We all are offspring of victims and victors at some point in the past. No one is special or an exception to the natural rules of war. Those territories that Mexico claimed for a brief 25 years were too far north, had their own geography, history, politics, people, culture, and Indians who were possessive of their lands. In fact the Apache was dumbfounded at the United States paying fifteen million dollars for lands they inherently knew was not Mexico. Mexico would never have kept the SW, it was closer to the U.S. and the sparse Spanish colonists had connections with American trade on the Santa Fe Trail in northern NM, Canadian mountain fur trappers in California and NM, American settlers before the MX War, and Texas had just a handful of Spanish colonization. These sided with the Americans. Under Spain, all these lands were undeveloped because of the dangerous Indians, uninhabitable lands, isolated and too distant from other parts of New Spain. Under Mexico, issues did not change. And as territories became Mexico, very distant ones away from Mexico City as Guatemala and SW, claimed by Mexico. These had patriotic and nationistic issues and wanted independence from Mexico. Mexico was unable to manage it's own problems, was broke, thousands of unconquered Indians, who hated Mexicans, so MX was much less interested in far off lands that just happened to fall in their jurisdiction.
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Very well stated. Also the Gadsden Purchase, another Treaty a few years later, ten million dollars. There is no way any lands were stolen. And to begin with, had there been no claim to Mexican independence from Spain 25 years before the War, there would be no Republic of Mexico. Nothing was treatied to Mexico from Spain. All the lands treated to the USA are not historically Mexico. All had been parts of New Spain from apprx 250 to 300 years. Under the Apatzingan constitution 1814, these lands are not Mexico, furthermore, they never were a part of Mexico City's political dynamics or battles against Spain. They were in the very distant northern edges of New Spain; isolated geographically. Different culturally, tribes, peoples, history, political. Were linked to the USA about 1821 by commercial trade via the Santa Fe Trail and American mountain fur traders and American land grant settlers in Texas. And resisted the Mexican government, never incorporated into Mexicos main...
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salvadorhurtado9988. What you state about Tenochtitlan, ancient land of the Aztec is probably historically true, but on California and the SW you are not historically correct. North America was never one nation or one people. Encompassing a few decades in the 1500s, Spain claimed and connected these territories bringing them under New Spain and it's ruling government, represented by Spains viceroy in Mexico City. Far and wide, Spains territories, New Spain were disconnected. Different tribes, cultures and geography; from California to Florida, Pacific Coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Central America, Phillipines, Cuba, Caribbeans. Plus other islands. Mexico (part of New Spain) became a nation in 1824, under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution and flag, which replaced Spains flag of 300 years in this part of New Spain. Spain , early 1800s, has let go of Florida and Louisiana/Mississippi areas to the United States and France. The young Mexico did not inherent California or the SW, it's imperialist ego claimed them. Spain did not accept Mexico's independence and did not sign the Treaty of Cordova thus Spains lands were not turned over to Mexico by a treaty. Mexico's first constitution of Apatzingan upon its first attempt towards independence, 1814, did not list California, New Mexico or Texas (the other states - Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado were within these territories ). These far north territories did not join-in with Hidalgos activist attempts towards independence or Mexico City's political dynamics or battles with Spain, so these far north territories took no part towards Mexican independence.
California and SW tribes are distinctly different in religious dieties, culture, art, icons, etc. Today's central Mexico, some of it Tenochtitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain after the "mexica" Aztec, is closely related in culture, art, language to Central and South America. The pyramids and Aztec religious hierarchy are similar to Egypt and Toltec icons are remarkably African influenced. Man has migrated for centuries by land and sea. There is no definite proof of where pre Columbus peoples originated. Many theories.
The northern tribes such as the Navaho, Comanche, Ute, Pueblo, Shasta, Piaut, Kiowa, Mohave, Chumash, Caddo are believed to have come via the Bering Strait from Siberia, and some Pacific tribes from Polynesia and no connection to the Aztec. The only Mexican back before 1824 were the Mexican City Aztec Indians from the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, today's central Mexico.... Spains caste system back then were Peninsulares, born in Spain. Crillos, children of Peninsulares born in New Spain. Mestizo, Indian and mulatto who never identified as Mexican. Mexico was a Johnnie come 1800s late to the northern California and SW. Furthermore the United States did not invade Mexico, the United States was on disputed territory and had as much a right to the land as Mexico. In fact, just 25 years earlier, the far north territories were Spains lands and not historically Mexico... Going back even further, Texas had been French territory. "Texas" is derived from the Louisiana Caddo tribes. Pacific Coast lands were disputed territories--Spain, Russia, Great Britain... Chihuahuans, Sonorans or Sinaloans were never rooted in the far isolated north California or SW wilderness. Mexicans are immigrants to the United States and did not colonized after independence. It was basically Mexican government officials who transplanted north during the SW Mexican Period 1821-1846. Mexicans began migration after the Mexican War approx 1880s, and were not part of the SW Spanish Colonial Period, 1598-1821...
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@salvadorhurtado9988 Actually, the disputed land I mentioned resulted from the 1836 Texas independence by conquest at the Battle of San Jacinto, Santa Ana was taken prisoner. That made Texas a Republic. The US/Mexican disputed land sparked the War, started by Mexico. The United States military came west, to New Mexico, then California and throughout Mexico to finish the War.... And I commented on the Mexican War 1846. I am fully aware they did happen, It's part of United States SW history known to SW historians as the Mexican Period 1821-1846. Short lived...
The northern states were claimed by the Mexican Federation after independence from Spain for approx 15 years Texas, and 25 years California and New Mexico. The Mexican Period was problematic for Californios who had issues with governors sent from Mexico City, meddling in their affairs, negligent on Californios needs, seeking independence from Mexico to the point of possible allying with Great Britain. There were hardly any Mexicans in California during the Mexican Period to battle with the American military during the Mexican War, California desperately needed to bring in forces from Mexico. Same situation in New Mexico, Mexico City governor rebellion, forces were not supplied to fight off warrior Indians who constantly raided Spanish villages. Basically high taxes for no return. Independence considered. Nuevomexicanos refused the Mexican government to ally with the Mexican army against the Comanche. All Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos were autonomous, Mexico had patriotic issues, meantime the territories up north developed relationships with Americans opening trade routes via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri and northerners mountain fur traders, American settlers in California n New Mexico since 1821 and during the MexicanPeriod were Mexican citizens. Unconquered Indians all over the isolated wilderness north. Texas was basically unpopulated except for a few Spanish settlers in San Antonio. Mexico collaborated with M Austin for American land grant settlements to populate the province and buffer the feared Comanche. And Tejanos fought alongside Americans for Texas independence.
The United States conquered Mexico, returning half the land, it's heart and core. Mexican officials left the north and any Mexican patriotism waned. Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos, under the Treaty of GH, were given the choice to remain in the homeland and become Americans or uproot and move to far away Mexico. Hardly anyone left the homeland. These became patriotic Americans, some held influential positions in US government systems, some battled in the Civil War and Spanish America War before moving on to the 20th C as American patriots. 25 years of mandated Mexican citizenship in California and SW is nothing out of over 400 years history. Mexicans were racist back in the 1800s. The gringo had come westward onto Spains historical lands and the Mexican was more racist than the Comanche, Navajo, Apache.... And the far north isolated wilderness was wide open for takeover by the United States, Great Britain, France, Russia. Land belongs to the conqueror and those who take care of it... It's the Mexican immigrant who escaped Mexico during the Mexican Revolution of 1910 and later, their offspring and even later illegal migration who have issues with the United States. Brown Power Chicanos, League of Latin American Citizens (LULAC), Chicano Studies, Somos un Pueblo Unido, Hispanic US Census Bureau bureaucrats, history revionists, Mexican American egotistical Indian blood proponents and the like. Immigrants who come to America and complain about everything given to them, think they are entitled to abuse the system, and oh yes, are racist....
Stand by my first comment which is historically correct. If you think I'm full of it, well you didn't do a decent job of refuting it... in fact, you hardly know anything on the far north and are totally upside down. You're better off sticking to ancient Tenochtitlan, Toltecs and those central Mexico and Central America histories. Nevada, Colorado, Arizona at gun point , LOL! The US military never invaded, these lands were never colonized by Spain, no towns, no governors, no churches.... no one to shoot.... Totally unpopulated except for hundreds of unconquered tribes... Thank you.
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@salvadorhurtado9988 Spain of the European countries inter bred far more with the Indian, consequently creating a culture of mixed people. 300 years later it was these lower class, crillos and mestizo who initiated and battled for independence from Spain.
A new nation 1824 , within an era of slavery throughout the world for centuries. Mexico was founded as a nation of supposed equality, being that it was a 19th C nation comprised of national political leaders of 300 years history of mixed breed cultures. So you might say, the new era's, powers that be, were compadres and looked out for their kind. Given the common genetics, slavery was abolished in writing, but Mexico turned a blind eye and failed to enforce its laws. Texans were the primary abusers, only because Mexico allowed it.
As far as racism, realistically all are racist, prejudice, biased, call it what you wish, by nature towards those not of your kind. But the class system of discrimination was alive and well in the young Republic of Mexico, kinda a hidden racism. And today the indigenous are complaining about their stolen lands and white Mexicans have an attitude looking down at Indians, same as 400 years ago, in fact many 21st C Mexicans no longer want to admit mestizo, the historical identity.
The United States founded and fought for by the Anglo Saxon typically did not mix with the Indian or African, were a separate peoples, and the Anglo-Saxon by default were the ruling class of the 18th C new nation 1776 they created. Accordingly was the maneuvering of the Anglo Saxon establishing the US political system, not mixed races. Racism was not an issue back then, racist was not in the language; and slavery was part of everyday life still in wide practice from prior centuries. Indians were considered less than human upon early European settlements. Decades later, It was by Spains, Casa's Laws of Indies in the 1500s, that Indians were regarded as God's people in New Spain, and attitudes slowly, but not entirely changed among Peninsulares and crillos. Christianity was practiced by Spain, France, Great Britain; Catholic and Protestant . Many Americans were opposed to slavery--Republicans, and went into the Civil War to abolish slavery. The Constitution was amended, but deep seated racial psyche, human nature , did not adhere to Christian values. Today all Americans have equal rights under the US law, while slavery is still practiced in the world. For all the equality and abolishment of slavery in Mexico, Mexicans have fled to slavery and racist United States as a safe haven since the 1880s. Free of racism or slavery was of no good to them over the UnitedStates..... in fact the world is escaping to the United States in hordes and circumventing Mexico as the first nation of refuge. Looks like the United States has been the last stand for the world since the 1800s, eventhough the radical left liberal politics cry racism at every turn.... Millions have escaped Mexico. So don't know what your point is. Why Judge an earlier era's psyche with modern day lens. The important thing is we move on....
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Sure did, it was a long ago era of explorations and conquest when Natives had no guns, horses, cattle, liquor, shoes, casinos, money, computers, education, cultural arts, the English language etc. Wanna go back in time.... i bet not...
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@ricsgro The real owners of these territories were Apache, Navajo, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Yaqui, Kiowa, Caddo, Mohave, Shasta and other northern tribes. Puyallup in Washington, Seminole, Creek, in Florida and more. For those states involved with Mexican independence, the tribes were In control of their lands after Independence and were involved in bitter wars with Mexico, vehemently opposed to Mexico trespassing their inherent lands. Apaches never could figure out why the United States paid Mexico for lands they "inherently" knew were not Mexican. During the brief Mexican Period 1824--1848 Mexico never conquered the far north aforementioned tribes. Actually their language was not Spanish or English ; or not even a common Native language, they all spoke their own dialect. And they were all enemies to one another. They had no need for Johnny come late stranger's, Mexicanos, back then in 1821 who were at least 600 miles away when Mexico became a new national republic, same stands today. Your justification doesn't have a leg to stand on..
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@ricsgro Indians are not Spanish, Arabian or Roman. Europeans arrived in what is today America in 1519 Vera Cruz, 500 years ago, not centuries ago. Spain established an impressive "Mexico City" in that particular territory within the vast lands/ territories it claimed in waves of discovery to become parts of New Spain. Spain lost steam by the late 1700s, giving up from Louisiana to Florida which were never a part of Mexico Their ports were in Cuba to Florida. Spain had too many far flung territories separated by distance wilderness areas, hardly any Spanish colonization except territories in closer proximity to Mexico City, thousands of unconquered Indians; and a perilous War in Europe which Spain had an obligation to prioritized. Mexico, after independence and no oversight from Spain, never had the finances, prominence, or became an Empire as the motherland in comparison to the United States after it gained it's independence from Britain, creating a world class nation. So it really does not matter today that under Spain, Mexico City was the first to establish a hospital, libraries, or university in America. Mexico since day one was never able to get a strong hold of it's new Republic or govern it's citizens or nation effectively. Had Spain not given up New Spain, Mexico never would have claimed California or the SW for all of 25 years, 15 Texas. And Spain probably would have sold the northern territories to the United States anyway. Spain had already initiated land grants to Americans in Texas before Independence, Mexico honored the grants, allowed American settlers because Texas was unpopulated by Mexicans or these Aztec, Spanish, Arabians, Romans you mention for hundreds of miles. In fact Mexico needed the American settlers to fend off the Comanche. The American settled Texas during a time there no Aztec or Mayan in the Texas frontier, rather Coahuilans indians around San Antonio.
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The USA recognized the young republic as Mexican sovereignty after independence from Spains lands. The USA supported Texas independence won at the Battle of San Jacinto. to become the Republic of Texas. Many descendants of Spanish settlers -- California to Texas did not recognize Mexican citizenship as these territories not engaged in New Spains battles with Spain, furthermore the Mohave, Chumash, Shasta, Sioux, Piaut, Comanche, Apache, Navajo, Pueblo, Ute, Caddo plus hundreds of other northern indigenous tribes who were invaded upon by Mexico never acknowledged Mexican sovereignty.
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Execute, lol. Where's the proof... Trump uses colorful metaphors, figures of speech when he's angry. These liberal Democrats will take out of context to destroy Trump, fear mongers, use common sense except when it suits them. Served as president for four years and never executed any one. It is Biden actions as a dictator, forced the vaccine against peoples choice, violated his presidential oath by bypassing congress on border and illegal migration, defied Supreme Court, used the court system instead of election norms to get rid of a political opponent, is ridding democracy. Msnbc, CNN and the rest of the woke media keep this hush, hush...
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She wasn't too bright. She was full of lies, didn't answer anything because she's blank up there and instead blaming Trump with same old memorized lines. She's desperate, even her puppeteers aren't impressed so she came off with an attitude, combative, mad as a feral animal, deflated and even blamed herself for a failed Harris four years, remember she stated taking responsibility for your actions-- her failed economy, border crisis, migrant crime, failed foreign affairs, destabilizaton of America and wants to turn the page -- on herself. No America doesn't need a Commander in Chief with her level of incompetence. She can't even figure out Biden is mentally unfit when he showed the world his inability to function years ago and obviously apparent on debate night 3 months ago. That's the reason she was on FOX instead of Biden. Wow...
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Harris is nuts. Trump did the Catholic Charities in person, Harris didn't show. Trump did Rogan, 3 hrs. Harris again, a no show. Trump did dozens of press conferences, no show Harris. Trump answered questions--who, what, when, where, how. Harris flip flopped on policies she couldn't articulate. Who knows her policies, according to Harris, her website. Those lazy like her will never take a look.... No answers except for her tired lines, middle class family and a bunch of marxist lines about unburdening and dreams, hopes, inspiration,,aspirations. Enough already. No substance.
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Right, they have no idea who their grandpa's n grandma's were 300 years ago hang on to bitterness and remain in poverty. Life was never utopia anywhere, they were wronged by the white man who later provided reparations, are unappreciative of the fed gov resouces yet would never go back to killing a buffalo for food, warfare on foot, live in a teepee. They could rid of every white man and still desire the white man's way of life and every convenience the white man introduced and return to tribal warfare. It's already took place, Pueblo Revolt 1680 when the SW Indians drove the Spanish out of New Mexico. Indians returned to tribal wars, their leader Pope governed as a Spaniard, oppressing them, the Pueblo had learned the white mans way and conveniences, wanted the Spanish back to fight the Apache and Navaho. The Spanish after twelve years returned, provided them Spanish land grants on their ancestral lands, still live where the Spanish found them, granted them preservation of their culture, language, religion and tribal self governance, still in practice, to date. During the late 19th C, they were able to point to the 1600s legal Spanish land grants so the US gov two centuries later was unabe to confiscate their lands protected by Spains legal documentation. . There was no oppressive Long Walk for the Pueblo, thanks to the Spanish.... Many Indians are dishonest unappreciative lying hypocrites and are mum about things the European Spanish introduced as adobe's, beehive ovens-- hornos, navaho weaving, etc which they take credit for to impress the foolish unsuspecting white tourists. In fact their pottery, arts would be nothing if not for white mans trading posts and the white man's museums and schools; promoting, educating and helping to develop their arts. They willingly imitate the European in every which way they possibly can.
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Harris was trying to impress like Vance, but doesn't have his wits. She tried running the clock by repeating herself and unable to control her combative stance. Presented nothing new to American voters, same sound bites, lied, deflated as usual, blaming Trump for her failed 4 year Administration. Didn't answer questions as is her norm, and if she thinks Biden is mentally sound, she's the crazy one, not Trump. All Democrats politicians, Democrat media, elite donars, Hollywood were part of an admitted Biden open secret no one talked about and Harris was right in the middle. She's a hoax campaign, typical of Democrats--blame Republicans, lie, deflate, refuse to answer, deceive, admit nothing.
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Why should they think it's theirs. American settlers were in today's SW by 1821. Via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri, trade was welcome and successful also with American mountain fur traders. After independence and claiming New Spains northern Territories in Mexico City, under the 1824 Republic of Mexico Constitution, the Mexican government needed settlers in Texas and with S Austin given permission, brought in American land grant settlers to develop Texas. California American settlers were on their way to claiming the Republic of California. It was only the Mexican government who headed to the distant north after independence, faced rebellion. They never reached Wyoming, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Spains uncolonized Territories. Mexicans began migration after the Mexican War 1848, approx 1880, with US westward movement to border areas establishing border towns , this also was after the US military subjugated the unconquered SW tribes placing in reservations. Mexicans later migrated during the 1910 Mexican Revolution, trains brought many to the USA. They are not indigenous to anywhere USA. Their ancestral roots are south of the border. And they do not belong to USA tribes as Navaho, Comanche, Kumeyay, Shasta, Chumash, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Ute. So all this stuff about our lands is nonsense. Mexico quasi governed the SW for 25 years, the SW Mexican Period. Any SW Spanish Colonial historian is well versed on the well documented records archived in Spain, Mexico, and northern New Mexico USA
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Not so, that part of New Spain, what is central Mexico today battled Spain for 10 years. Under the Apatzingan constitution Mexico's first, California, New Mexico and Texas are not Mexico. In fact these northern New Spain territories did not join Hidalgo in his plight for independence or participated with Mexico City in its political dynamics and battles against Spain. Mexico claimed independence in 1821. Spain had already Treaty'd off Louisiana and Florida. Spain did not recognize Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain never Treaty'd any lands over to Mexico and battles continued another decade. Mexico claimed what was left over of New Spains lands in north America under Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution 1824. Mexico's borders changed 4 times within 4 decade. From no border as there was no Mexico, the Apatzingan claims borded, the 1824 border unrecognized by Spain and the 1848 border of which Mexico had lost all of its lands to the USA after only 25 years as a proclaimed nation and lost the annexed the far isolated northern territories which were unincorporated by Mexicos main and parts of Central America. California, New Mexico, Texas are not ancestrally Mexico. Mexico claimed for a brief time known as the SW Mexican Period during which Mexico's government tried to populate the distant desert wilderness with little success except for Americans in Texas with Mexican land grants and a handful of Mexican soldiers in California also with Mexican land grants to encourage settlers. These Mexican soldiers were hardly an army of any means to hold of American soldiers and California like New Mexico were easily taken during the Mexican War. And were separate from the Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos who had lived in these territories since 1598, Spaniard colonists under the 275 years Spanish Colonial Period and Spanish land grants. To one day after 1824 learn by Mexican government officials who moved north, of a new Mexican citizenship. Mexican government was met with resistance. Also the Comanche, Navajo, Ute, Mohave, Shasta, Chumash Apache plus many northern tribes who never innately knew themselves to be either Mexican or American tribes during the Mexican Period and some of these aggressive tribes fought fiercely and terrorized Sonora and Sinaloa after the Mexican government moved north to their inherent lands. California and SW are not ancestrally Mexico. 25 years is a mountain of a molehill..
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Many of those inhabitants lived under three flags. Their ancestors had been under Spains flag for 250 years, 15 to 25 years under Mexico's flag-- mandated Mexican citizenship; and US flag after 1848. No one is crying over Mexico , which was just a small bump in the way towards Americanization, patriotism was a problem for the young Mexico especially the outer edge territories. Parts of Central America gained independence, Yucatan begged for USA annexation and California and SW way up north, never joined Mexico City's New Spain in its battles for independence, many remained loyal to Spain. In fact they were not even included as provinces in Mexicos first 1815 constitution. Under the GH Treaty 1848 they had the choice to uproot and move to Mexico. The majority stayed in the northern homeland, founded by their ancestors, becoming US citizens. These were the Spanish settlers who guarded New Spain against foreign intrusion and fought the Navaho, Apache, Ute and treatied with the Comanche and basically left the northern tribes untouched and unconquered. Those tribes to the north never acknowledged Mexico or identified as Mexican, they knew their inherent lands. No one up north is crying over 25 years under Mexico's poor governance of the area. Mexican officials left and any patriotism quickly waned.
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Spain had claimed too much land and barely financed and populated the far northern New Spain Territories, California and SW which served as outposts to guard against Russian and French intrusion. By early 1800s , Spain Treaty'd Florida and Louisiana and Spain was in the process of negotiations with M Austin for land grant American settlers in Texas with the USA westward movement. The scene had changed after 250 years with two new nations. Mexico claimed what was left of New Spain, including those same territories over a thousand miles from Mexico City which were not part of Mexico City's battles for independence. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution 1814 California and today's SW were not Mexico. These were never incorporated into Mexicos main , rebelled against the newly formed Mexican government after Spain abdicated as they, for centuries had been isolated from other New Spain territories. The only connection to Mexico was the language and Catholicism, as the Mexican government was an intrusion and not necessarily welcome or supportive for the taxes imposed. Mexico opened the borders, USA Missouri, Santa Fe Trail west, and mountain men were trading, settling and developing relationships with descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers during the SW 25 year Mexican Period. Other than USA conquest, things were opening up for independence from Mexico for Californios, Nuevomexicanos and Tejanos. The USA economic status won the War, but Mexico had no chance with the far northern territories which were far off in the middle of nowhere, closer to the USA than Mexico's main. And lands ready for US Manifest Destiny. The lands anyway were not ancestrally Mexico.
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@adom6750 Follow the history. NewMexico which included Arizona, Texas and California were sparsely populated by colonists and the tribes were unconquered. You are conflating the Spanish Colonial settlers in the SW since 1598 and northern tribes as Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo. Mohave, Piaut, Kiowa, Caddo, Comanche, Apache, Ute , Navaho with peoples from Chihuahua, Sinaloa and anywhere south of there who had no ancestral roots in anywhere today's USA. There was no Mexico until 1824, under the Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution which claimed its states and provinces, the citizens became Mexican citizens including any American living within the Mexican Republic. For the SW citizens up to 1824 had lived under the 250 Spanish Colonial Period 1598-1821 and then the Mexican Period up to 1846. During the Mexican Period it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north. Generally Chihuahuans, Sinaloans or another South of there did not go north. Texas was vast lands, unpopulated and Mexico needed people so Mexico brought in Americans under land grants. Come 1846 the Mexican War, there were hardly any Mexicans to battle Americans in New Mexico. Same with California and Texans, Mexico had to bring in Mexicans from miles away to battle Americans. The bulk of Mexican citizens were far off from the isolated north and uninterested in a barren wilderness provinces, uninhabitable dangerous living conditions with unconquered warrior Indians. "Mexico" was a Johnnie come late, not until 1824 to CA, NM, TX. After the War and Treaty, these were annexed lands, now under the USA, its citizens were allowed to stay in their SW homeland, became American after 1848. So they had been "Mexican" for only 25 years. As far as Texas, it became its own independent Republic after battles, as Mexico broke its constitution and they were living under no laws. Mexicans began migrating to border areas after 1880. Their roots and ancestral ties were south of the border. Mexico itself was more interested in money instead of an unincorporated wilderness it was unable to manage. It was the USA movement west that attracted Mexicans north after living conditions improved by United States quelling Indians, placing in reservations. Descendents of Spanish colonists and northern tribes are not crying over Mexico, 25 years is nothing, a mountain of a molehill and CA, NM, TX are not ancestrally Mexico. Why some Mexicans cry over lands that their ancestors of centuries ago never claimed is beyond reason....
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How can Biden be best president if he wasn't or isn't running the country. I mean if you are obviously senile and delusional, can't function and unwilling to take a cognitive test , there's not a chance your the best president. Biden did not decide to put American first and withdraw from the ballot. That's a pure Democrat lie. He was pushed out by the Democrat political machine. Democrat media, politicians, Hollywood elite donors were fully aware of Bidens cognitive disability and covered up, lying to America. Had there been no debate, with Biden exposing his mental faculties to the world , Democrats open secret exposed, Biden would still be on the ballot, Democrats carrying on the facade and Biden would be out there campaigning for Biden, not America. People who aren't informed, bird brains, believe all the lies Democrat media and politicians spew about Biden, and Trump.
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Kamela is full of bull dung. She hates America, our history, anti American who wants to fundamentally change it. Her values are marxist, pretencious, trying to appear mainstream. She's easy on crime, proposes defunding police, hates ICE and border patrol. She's big on climate change and environmentalists and will ban fracking. She has no known policy and is running on abortion, abortion, and abortion. The killing of little lives who who have no rights - she believes the world is overpopulated. She's responsible for 300,000 open border missing children through Mexican cartel human trafficking. The has no concerns for children, no matter how much she waves her hands around. She all talk and says nothing...
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The answer is obviously something called Manifest Destiny.... Actually the Republic of Texas was annexed by the USA , after which the USA, under Polk, offered Mexico 30 million dollars in 1845 for California and New Mexico inclusive of today's Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado; offer was refused. This offer by Polks administration to purchase was prior to the Mexican War, which was conquered by the USA. Immediately followed by USA occupation of Mexico, flying the USA flag over Mexico City. The United States was in position to take all of Mexico, but instead returned half of Mexico, including it's heart and core, Mexico City. The USA annexed only what it was interested in prior to the War, which were the US border territory lands, todays SW, to accomplish its goal towards Manifest Destiny, Atlantic to the Pacific. .
Mexico itself was a racist nation since its beginning in 1821. But racism was not an issue in the 1800s as today when everything has radically become politically racist... USA strategics did not need Mexico's deep seated internal problems of 5 million people of a different culture who spoke a different language, Spanish, and practiced a different Catholic religion. On the other hand, the SW un-incorporated territories were very isolated and very distant with a small sparse population of Spanish colonial settlers, outside of Mexicos main, of which tribes were still unconquered, except for the Pueblo tribes. These SW tribes never identified as Mexican as they inherently knew their lands were not Mexico and bitterly refused acknowledgement of Mexico as the sovereign on their lands 1824. Spain had sparsely populated this part of New Spain because of dangerous living conditions, the distant territories were basically outposts to guard against French and Russian intrusion into New Spains borders, for at least 250 years prior to the brief Mexican Period. Mexico claimed these territories under its 1824 constitution, all citizens became Mexican including American settlers. Incidentally, these territories were not involved in Mexico's (New Spain) independence. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution, 1814, California, New Mexico, Texas, were not Mexico... Nevertheless these wilderness barren desert lands were of more interest to the United States than Mexico, which already had American settlers since 1821 and a trade route from Missouri, the Santa Fe Trail, and American mountain fur traders. Many of these Mexican citizens had wanted independence from Mexico during the 25 years quasi governed under Mexico's Republic..Just how Mexico had anything to do with the United States Civil War is beyond me, as the Civil War was fought to free African citizens...Why pick on Polk, Santa Ana was corrupt and didn't serve his Mexican citizens.
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Better take a better look at Biden and Harris. TRUMP looks like a saint compared to both. To overlook Biden who has been unfit mentaly and is still acting president is in violation of the Constitution , Amendment 25 and abuse of Americans. Harris was basically a no body 6 months ago, nobody voted for her extreme radicalized policies as presidential candidate 2020, and no Democrat voted her 2024 under our democracy . She lies non stop, and distorts facts, is not mainstream America, pretencious. Who closed the nation, forced vaccinations on our bodies, closed schools, churches, suppressed free speech, involved in election interference, 300,000 unaccounted missing children under Harris open border, human trafficking, easy on crime Democrat DAs, men in woman's sports, violation of parents rights. Harris did not prosecute Catholic priests child molesters, made it legal to steal up to $900. Did not enforce death penalty on an illegal migrant police officer killer. Trump has a moral compass compared to Biden and Harris.
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@yasminvillanueva3141 I'm not sure what you're getting at, but historically there's a difference between Mexico City 1525 and the nation of Mexico 1824. The Aztec city of Tenichitlan ruins was renamed Mexico City by Spain for the "Mexica" Aztec tribe, Tenichitlan/Mexico City area was Aztec territory sometimes called the valley of the mexica Aztec or Mexico.. There were other tribes in surrounding territories that were not Aztec thus they were not mexica tribes, nor were they from the Mexico City area territory. It took three hundred years for some of the territories to become the nation of Mexico, Mexico City included. . Pre 1821 New Spain maps do not chart Mexico. The maps chart New Spain's territories, which came about by different Spanish explorations spanning over 50 years, Spain claiming the territories for Americas New Spain. New Mexico got it's name about 1550, became the Kingdom of New Mexico after Spanish colonization 1598. The Republic of Mexico got it's name two and a half centuries later than NM, and you could say the territory of New Mexico predates the country of Mexico historically. Mexico City territory/valley was called "Mexico" or Mexico City just as other locality's in New Spain were called by their name as Cuernavaca, Puebla, Zacatecs, Toluca, Vera Cruz, Oaxaca etc. But they were not a consolidated Mexico, they were separated by territories, some to become part of the Republic of Mexico under a different era 1824, and new goverenment after 300 years. Mexico City under Spain was a prominent city, New Spains viceroy for the King was seated in Mexico City governing all of New Spain -- California to Florida, Pacific coast to Canada, today's Mexico, Cuba, Caribbeans, Philippines Central America, plus. To later become their own nation or territories became parts of the United States or Central America.
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Not boring, very interesting. But the rest is history. Alamo, San Jacinto, Texas Republic, land dispute, War, conquest, occupation, purchases, treaty and border. Nothing new under the sun. Both Spain and later Mexico basically neglected the far north isolated wilderness which was open for the British, Russian and US. Spain should have just sold its border territories to the USA. They were too far from the rest of New Spain. Mexicos first 1815 constitution did not include California, New Mexico or Texas as Mexico. Series of historical events places us where we are today. Just think if Spain had not discovered what is today Mexico, say England or Russia had, the peoples would have turned out entirely different ..
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Speak of imperialism, not all of New Spains territories fought for independence. Today's SW peoples back in the early 1800s did not join Hidalgo or Mexico City's activism, political dynamics or battles against Spain. In fact, under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution California, New Mexico/Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. 1821, Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. So Mexico just helped itself to the lands under its 1824 constitution. How's that for takeover of lands...
It is factual that after independence, it was Mexico's government officials who transplanted north to California and New Mexico. Mexico needed a population and allowed land grant settlements to Americans in Texas. The isolated SW was difficult to colonize, Indians were not conquered and living conditions were dangerous and uninhabitable with only a handful of descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers who were mandated Mexican citizenship after independence. The typical Chihuahuans, Sonorans or other south of there, did not settle in the SW during the 25 year Mexican Period. During that Period, America attacks upon warfare and just a smidgen population in the SW to battle. Many of the population had issues with Mexican takeover, wanted independence and sided with Americans. Mexican patriotism was a problem. SW was unincorporated, highly taxed and ignored by Mexico.
Yes, Mexico was occupied by rights of United States conquest flying the USA flag over Mexico and was in position to take All of Mexico, as throughout mans history the world over, the victor takes the spoils. But instead, American permitted that both nations agree to a Treaty--annexed lands and waters outlined in the Treaty, border, American citizenship for the SW population who did not necessarily care for Mexico, and a 25 million dollar transaction. That's alot more than no Treaty between Spain and imperialistic Mexico who took advantage of Spains lands while Spain was at war in Europe with France.... But that's how the worlds nations gain land... So Mexico made out royally by stolen lands from Spain...
Those in what became Chihuahuans, Sonorans and other south of the borderians never were interested in the north for centuries until the USA westward movement, trains to the border and Americans quelling the northern tribes and placing in reservations. Ever since many only look north. They have all forgotten Central America, of which parts had also been part of Mexico. But Mexicans cannot use the south, having no need for it. Nothing wrong with the gringos account and many Mexicans acknowledge a weak, unstable Mexico, who couldn't even govern its heart and sole, central Mexico, much less the very distant SW who were already trading with Americans via the Santa Fe Trail from Missouri and in close proximity to the USA... US takeover was destined to happen as Spain had claimed too much land, barely financed and populated, unconquered Indians, plenty land was in the north eventually meeting US borders. Spain had even permitted American settlements in Texas after two centuries of closely guarded borders. So times were changing after 275 years... .
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Only a snowflake would compare breaking into a house to war. To begin with, there was no invasion; the land Americans were on was disputed territory, claimed by Mexico and the United States. Mexico started the war...
So the USA pointed a gun over a few dollars. It was more like millions of dollars impoverished Mexico had never seen the the likes of and spent as soon as it was handed over. Mexico's soldiers were starving and ragged. And Mexico owed Europe for cost of the war.. Imperial Mexico played dirty since its inception 1821. It musta broken into Spains house, but didn't have the decency to negotiate or purchase, LOL... And couldn't manage all those lands. Mexico was just plain ole silly to start a war it was unprepared to tackle... Blood shed was on both sides as is the scenario in all the world's wars. Mexico is no exception to humanity's inborn laws of wars world wide. And the annexed lands were claimed by Mexico for a mere 25 years and not ancestrally Mexico. Unless your Apache, Navajo, Ute, Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo, Mohave, Piaut, Comanche, Kiowa or other indigenous northern tribes, the lands weren't Mexicos any way. So what are you crying about... Educate yourself on SW history and grow up.
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Mayans really did not have anything to do with Mexico when they built the pyramids, because there was no Mexico at that time. There were no nations in the continent, just native lands identified by Native names with many different Native tribes who were enemies fighting amongst themselves. When the European came; whoever got there first Spain, France and Great Britian claimed lands which became separate territories. Over a couple of centuries the territorios became nations, independent from the motherland along with wars, land purchases, treaties, border changes. Texas was first claimed by France, named Texas after Louisiana Caddo Tribe, longest claim was by Spain during which the Comanche ruled; claimed by Mexico for only 15 years, Comanche still ruled; became it's own Republic, Comanche still ruled; and USA for 173 years.
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Not so, there was no Mexico until 1824. Mexico has never ruled anyone/anywhere but Mexico. Spain through it's viceroyals, the Kings representative were Spaniards, ruled New Spain trom Mexico "City" which was inclusive of many inland territories, Cuba, Philippines, Caribbeans plus. Historically Mexico had no financial means, government management skills, or political influence as did Spains Monarch Empire, a different entity and era. Spain explored much of America, claimed lands, conquered, ruled New Spain until that part of New Spain became independent Mexico after 300 years. New Spain maps do not chart Mexico, the maps chart territories, some today's Mexico. After independence, Spain was gone. The new Republic of Mexico, flopped like a flat tire. Mexican History 101.
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For the USA it was Manifest Destiny. The USA was interested in California, New Mexico/Arizona, and already had Texas. Nothing else.
Historically north America was numerous indigenous tribes that were neither American or Mexican. European explorations claimed the lands and split into New Spain and New England, no nations in the 1500 and 1600s. Spain had claimed much more land than England. Spain claimed part of today's USA, today's Mexico, Central America, Caribbeans, Phillipines, Cuba. Pacific Coast to Canada. 1776 New England gained independence creating the USA. 1821 part of New Spain too gained independence creating Mexico. 1846 brought the Mexican/US War, Texas was already part of USA. The SW was in very close proximity to the USA, very far from Mexicos main , Mexico City and unincorporated. What is today Mexico is lands returned to Mexico under the Treaty of GH. And lands left over after Mexico sold land to the USA under the Gadsden Purchase.
Under New Spains history the population were not Mexican, they were Spaniards or Peninsulares. Crillos-born in America of Spaniard parents and offspring of unmixed blood. Mestizo- of mixed blood same as metis, English or French of mixed blood. Indian, and mulatto, of African blood. "Mexican" was an 1824 citizenship identificationfrom the young nation of Mexico after independence from Spain. The SW population became US Americans after US annexation . Its all historical events as anywhere else in the globe that have put us where we are today. Mexican is not an ethnicity. Mexican is a citizenship. Mexicans are European, Amerindian, Asian, African, etc. A melting pot no different from the USA. Mexico is a new nation only 200 years old. No comparison to historical nations like Russia, China, England etc. where all speak the same tongue.
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@NYyankeeboi according to Chuck Todd, a Biden Cabinet member knew, everyone knew and were afraid to talk about it. Was an open secret. And NBC neurologist said its obvious Biden has some form of Parkinsons. Democrats have lied, covered up, mislead, this is not democracy; a 20th century Watergate. Democrat policies are not about we the people, they are interested in nothing but power. Letting millions of illegal migrants over run our sovereign border and overthrow the Republican Party on Election Day . MAJORITY Democrats are opposed to voter integrity, any non citizen can vote for our president, congress, mayor's, etc. Without Republicans there is no freedom of choice or America.
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What happened on January 6th... All I saw was an outdoors demonstration that got out of control. President Trump announced that people leave peacefully. He never held a weapon ot lead an activist group to anywhere, if that's what you saw, you're delusional. The Democrat media twisted the facts and you believed lies no one witnessed. Trump requested the Nation Guard and Democrat Pelosi, Speaker of the House, who was in charge of security dropped the ball, no protection, activists raided the Capital, and I'll be darned if Pelosis daughter was ready with video camera, taping the ordeal as if expected, or so it's reported... Democrat Pelosi quick with lies, accusing Trump of insurrection, of which there is no proof or are there any criminal changes. Trump was not criminally charged with insuesurrection
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@zimtschnecke9284 What we know as Mexico today was not always Mexico. In 1519 Spanish ships arrived in what the Spanish named Vera Cruz, the land inhabited by many tribes in time to become part of New Spain increasing the many territories to Spains empire. Each territory was claimed by Spain with further exploration taking a about 60'years to reach the northern frontier now CA, AZ, NM, TX. It took 300 years for these territories to become independent from Spain and establish it's own nation, Mexico, prior to this were land claims by Great Britian and France, the first to explore was the first to claim. Spain had posts in the far isolated north and small Spanish colonies to stamp their claims and prevent encroachment from competitors including Russia. There had been land disputes, border issues, treaties, purchases from Texas to Florida territories; independence, wars, conquest. 300 years, great history.
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