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  1502.  @farhadfaisal9410  Yes, but what to do about it? India had an opportunity to join RCEP, our political parties derailed it by saying that Milk from New Zealand will kill Indian dairy. Predictably BJP got cold feet and refused to join RCEP. Not a single soul among our "wise" Parliamentarians bothered to compare prices - In India the price of 1 ltr of milk is nearly Rs 60 and in NZ it is 80-120. Of course, things don't exactly work as per currency convertibility but headlines got created how millions of dairy farmers will suffer if so-called "cheap" NZ milk powder makes it way to India. Lesson from this 1)India has legalized INEFFICIENCY. There is a crab mentality among us. 2) Nobody wishes to take the first step or face the challenge. Nobody dared to say that we'll give NZ a run for its money. We will deliver milk at much cheaper rates. 3) It is simply NOT POSSIBLE in INDIA. It is even unwise to blame Modi or MMS or frankly anyone after the 1990s. India simply missed the development train way back in the 70s and 80s. I have advanced degrees in Finance and yet I too do not deny the fears of milk farmers. As it is margins in India are low (while one can make an argument that powdered milk made milk may not find acceptance among Indian consumers). But it is the same case as the protests against Farm laws. Everyone fears EFFICIENCY because there are people who have monetized inefficiency. End result = Indian consumer is the one cheated. Can't even blame the large population because China has shown that population is no barrier. Perhaps, if the population engaged in Agriculture is moved into other sectors, India may have some hope.
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  1647.  Siddharth Sriram  Never make the assumption that voters are stupid. People evaluate political choices based on future expectations and not entirely on the present. Propaganda is an important tool in politics but it's available with every political party. BJP may be "excellent" but then the question is why is Congress so poor? Never make the mistake of thinking of things as BINARIES in politics. BJP vs Congress is not a "Good vs Evil" battle. Had it been such than the choice OF CHOOSING ONE AMONG THE TWO would have been a logical one. Alas, it's NOT. Hence, it becomes a matter of who can take how many? Herein, lies the problem of the INC. It is not a new party. It has been in power for many years. It has achievements and disasters to its credit. There is no crime it did not commit. Hence, "holier than thou" does not suit the party, but HYPOCRISY is not new in politics. INC's problem its LEADERSHIP. Rahul Gandhi is just a failed dynast. He has NO charisma or a critical mass supporting him. He lost Amethi to Smriti Irani. It just tells you how low down the order he stands against Modi. CHANGE is the ONLY thing that could save the INC. Karnataka has not elected the same part for a second term in the past many years. So odds favor the INC but I hope they lose. A victory will fuel a false sense of security among the party and the Gandhi siblings will takeover everything. A major shakeup is required. Your mother may never change her beliefs about Modi. That's how fans are and it's okay. The question is for the new voter? The uninspiring Rahul may not be his option against Modi but a Tharoor vs Modi may at least force him evaluate.
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  2122.  @mrSamirsri  The meaning of the word statutory is that any purchase below MSP would be deemed a criminal offense. Think from a logical standpoint and refer Economics by Samuelson. MSP is not determined by Supply vs Demand. It is calculated on cost. In the past, it worked because India always had a shortage of food grains. Today we have a surplus over demand which pushes the prices down. A mandatory MSP would encourage farmers to increase the production of food grains without taking into account the demand. Thus pushing the surplus even further. Right now FCI procures about 6% of all grains at MSP and sells the same in the open market at a lower price thus absorbing the losses. FCI has a debt of over 2 lakh crores. One would think farmers would be better off in a statutory MSP regime. Nothing could be further from the truth. Govt cannot force purchases at MSP on traders. They'll choose not to buy. Private traders will import grains which are anyways cheaper. If the Govt bans imports then it would make the Agro-Industry bankrupt. India won't be able to export anything. It won't stop there, everything from bread to biscuits would become expensive. Remember, most Indian farmers (about 80%) own less than 5 acres. They live from paycheck to paycheck. They need cash immediately after harvest. Higher prices will only delay purchases. Private traders have patience they can wait them out. In such a situation, either the Govt will have to buy their grains or they'll be forced into distress sale. Govt buying is simply not an option. As of today, a 100% procurement would cost about 65% of the Union budget. A tall order that would drive any Govt into bankruptcy, be it of Mr. Modi or Mr. Gandhi. At the end of the day, it will turn India into Asia's Venezuela (or even worse).
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  2327.  @indiamusically , I am very comfortable seeing the Ayodhya King sitting on his rightful throne. You talk about things being taken in a "good" spirit, but are they being taken in a "good" spirit? Mira road stone pelters belonged to which religion? Kashmiri pundits were massacred by which religion? Was it 500 years ago? Many from the Left are now singing the tune of the Supreme Court verdict, saying that there was NO TEMPLE DESTRUCTION. In reality, the court concluded the presence of a temple based on archaeological evidence and records of travelers (one of whom was a Jesuit priest who wrote about a Mosque built by destroying a Vishnu temple in Ayodhya by Babar in 1767). A temple that was conclusively there in the 12th century was not there by the 16th century. Now, I don't ask you to read between the events of the 12th century and 16th century but rather implore you to extrapolate the original logic (where they ask us to prove the destruction by Babar) and ask Muslims if they will give us back all the current Mosque lands that were conclusively built by razing temples? There are many with irrefutable evidence. A Hindu Rashtra means nothing to me, but a Ramrajya to me in "practical terms" is RESPECT BEGETS RESPECT. Lastly, you don't have to go so gaga over Hinduism. Not all is jolly about my religion. Intentionally or not, Hinduism did get corrupted. That is why we have the concept of 4 Yugas and a system of progressive corruption of "Dharma". In the current yug it is only standing on TRUTH. However, my Hindu religion is open to debate, discussion, and incorporating new ideas and discarding old ones. Are Muslims willing to incorporate new ideas? Will they acknowledge bad ideas and reform their book? These questions are important because the answers to these questions will determine their place in a "Hindu Rashtra" (which still means nothing to me). You are entitled to DISAGREE. For me, the discussion is OVER.
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  2668.  @RajRaj-zw2cr  The third price is for private players which by the way the Govt cannot control. As to the difference between the Center and state, the original plan was for the Center to buy all the vaccines but now they have allowed procurement by the state govt. Bulk buyers have more leverage hence they are able to fetch deep discounts. In this case, the Center has more leverage as it is buying 50% of the product. The states have less leverage because they will be putting out global tenders and buying from other companies like Sputnik and Bharat Biotech too. The difference in pricing is logical. Nonetheless, the deal created shady optics. The Center should have stuck an exclusive deal with SII and asked states to procure their vaccines from Bharat Biotech and other vaccine suppliers. But then again we both know if such a deal was struck then lefto-liberal gang would have been ranting about how State's were denied SII vaccines. So anyways it would have created bad optics. They clearly acted in hurry after Second started causing all the mayhem and did not think through giving people like you the opportunity to criticize vaccine makers. This vaccine came into the market in 9 months time because private players took it upon themselves to produce these vaccines. Govt labs around the world wouldn't have given these results even in 9 years. Now the unnecessary controversy over vaccine prices has exposed companies like SII to reputational risk. This may prevent them from taking such endeavours in the future. This may not be the last pandemic that we face. Thus, ultimately this hurts us the people. Also, one easily spends Rs 300 on a movie and pizza whose profit margins per tickets are about 50-60%, why is a vaccine of the same amount such a prickly subject? As it is it will be freely administered.
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  2695.  @KunalKumar-np4ig  You are right about the reforms but the misinformation is alarming. I have read articles in leading newspapers from Punjab like the Tribune criticizing these reforms on MSPs which are not even part of these reforms. MSP has no legal stature and giving it one would send the whole farm economics haywire. Lies after lies are being circulated that MSP is a farmer's birthright. MSP is not even a fair price. It is calculated on cost and not Demand/Supply forces. Enforcing and criminalizing purchases below this price would lead to surplus. There is no way Govt can buy all the food grain produced in the country because it would take as much as 60% of all of the Union budget. Even if they buy (by retiring all Govt officers and getting rid of the Army), Govt won't be able to sell at a higher rate in the open market or export because as it is International prices are lower. Govt will have to give export subsidies that means more taxes for the common man who would anyways be under the pinch of inflation. All this you might think would make farmers happy and rich BUT NO EVEN THAT WOULD NOT BE ACHIEVED AS THEY WOULD ALSO FEEL THE PINCH OF INFLATION BUT MORE DANGEROUSLY THEY WOULD FACE DISTRESS SALE AS THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY GOI WILL BUY ALL THE FOOD GRAINS OR Private players will buy at MSP if they can simply import at cheaper prices. In case private companies are forced, they'll go bankrupt. This is NOT LIKELY TO END WELL. Modi Govt should simply forget about these reforms now or simply leave Punjab and Haryana out of these reforms.
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  2846. The audience Q was whether the judgment on the Places of Worship Act will be the defining legacy of the new CJI, which has only 1 one-year term (Context: An Indian CJI can serve only up to the age of 65. The current Chief Justice, Mr Khanna is already 64. He got promotion late). The other Q was whether the government was planning to remove the Places of Worship Act (Context: The Places of Worship Act states that the status of a mosque or a temple would be considered from 1947. This Act was passed after the demolition of Babri Masjid, which was originally built by demolishing the Ram Temple. I'll digress a bit here to inform you that a Ram Temple now stands at the site. It was constructed after favorable judgment from a legal battle initiated in 1885. Do not let anyone fool you. It is legally established that a temple stood at Ayoydhya. The place is sacred to Hindus as it is considered the birthplace of a revered deity, Lord Ram. In its judgment, the court did not comment on who demolished the temple. It is not hard to fill this void with a little bit of common sense, given the fact that 800 AD to 1400 AD was a tough period for India as it witnessed a brutal Islamic invasion. Coming back to the main issue, the Act had many problems. There were already multiple legal battles about several disputed "places of worship" even before this act. The current Govt is led by the BJP. It's a Hindu nationalist party). The response from the speaker was basically vague. He only responded to the first Q and stated that legal matters take time and he'll have to wait and see how things work out. (My opinion: The debate on the act ignited after the former CJI's oral observation wherein he said archaeological surveys unearthing the history of a place "may not necessarily fall foul" of the Places of Worship Act. Now, you need to understand three things - 1)It is not possible to reclaim everything that was lost to history. Even Israel is not constructing the Temple of Solomon at Al Aqsa. 2) However, should that stop us from deciphering the history of a particular place? In a just world, it should not, but the elements involved here are too volatile to control. India is a deeply religious country. Personally, I am happy with the Ram Temple, and I do not support other Hindu claims. However, there are certain illegal possession of Temples by you-know-who which must be returned back to us. These were not demolished structures. They were simply taken by just claiming and entering like idiots. One of those is the Sambhal Temple dispute, which triggered this discussion. PS: The commentator deliberately avoided a straight answer. (Hint: Avoid Samuel Paty fate)
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  3148.  @deepakkumarsingh5876  Apologizes for the uninvited advice but just a few pointers because Shekhar in his CTC made Goa politics sound too fickle as though it is an unstable state (It has the highest per capita income in India). Goa has many castes but the largest are the Bhandaris who are about 30% (OBCs. They are kind of Goa's version of Kshatriyas). However, there has been only 1 CM from this caste - Ravi Naik and he never got to complete his term. He is now with BJP after many terms with Congress. AAP has promised the CM position to a Bhandari but Bhandaris never vote as a group. It is not uncommon for multiple Bhandari candidates to contest against each other. The most powerful caste are the Saraswats (Fish-eating Brahmins) who make up about 3% of the population but dominate the state's political and bureaucratic affairs. Vijay, Parrikar, Digambar Kamat are all from this caste (also Rajdeep and Vijay Mallya). Not many in Goa are fond of their dominance but caste fissures have rarely gone out of hand because almost everyone in Goa is economically well to do (Even the SCs) and there are no social frictions. Nowadays even intermarriages within castes have become common (even in the case of arranged marriages. Although, not so much among upper castes). Caste is an important factor because for the first time Saraswats have been marginalized and the community does not even have any ministerial position. This has caused resentment among them but other castes are smiling over their downfall but whether it will help the current CM Pramod Sawant to consolidate OBC vote is a big question mark. By calculus, I meant the narrow victory margins in Goa. Hence, all the opinions polls are unreliable. However, these opinion polls are more or less right about the vote share. BJP is likely to get at least half of Goa's 66% Hindu votes but BJP got only 13 seats last time despite 33% vote share which was higher than the Congress's 28% who got 17 seats. Hence, it's a wide-open game in Goa because BJP needs Hindu+ votes i.e at least a section of Catholics or winnable Catholic candidates on its side.
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  3176.  @abhinavc  Firstly, an audit into Nehru's tenure is perfectly justified. Nehruvian Socialism led to Indian entrepreneurship never picking up and Nehruvian secularism is there for everybody to see. Whatever the reason the ideas failed and led to a system of pandering and votebank in India. The rise of Hindu right was inevitable. It's also interesting to see how the RSS has evolved. It has abandoned its rigidity to accommodate a wider Hindu audience. Nehru's was an era of Congress monopoly. He had no competition hence 3 terms in power. Congress also won elections despite defeat in 1962 China war. That said, Nehru was very popular in his time and generally speaking a well intentioned man. However, we Indians are neither slaves to his lineage nor to Congress. We are perfectly entitled to vote and choose our political path. Eras and epochs CHANGE and so do people. We elect Govts that cater to their aspirations. If Congress was perfect, BJP would never have come to power and if BJP was perfect Congress wouldn't have got 50 seats. Politics must be left as politics only. It is cyclical. Congress got 6 decades. It couldn't deliver upon India's aspirations. BJP speaks about people's aspirations while Rahul is offering another cocktail of the failed Nehruvian Socialism. The Left and Right dominate politics in cycles. We are among the lucky few countries that holds space for both. It is Congress's time for reinventing itself or dying and making space for a new party. I don't think it's possible without the Gandhis exiting the political scene. To say that we are down the path of Pakistan is a mockery of the voter and arrogance of the highest order. Arrogance that's actually aimed at morphing one's defeatism. There are somethings we can only live at agree to disagree.
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  3394.  @pardhumurali1206  Only 2% in India pay taxes. Farm income is exempt from tax. Almost every self-employed hides his income. Govt does NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. This year the situation is even more pathetic. GoI's total revenue collection is around $340 billion and expenditure is around $430 billion. Welfare schemes cost money but they fetch votes. At least under Modi, most welfare schemes have been largely corruption-free. Other aspects of his governance were largely disappointing on the economic front. Agro reforms are the first good reform to come out since the Indo-US nuclear deal of the UPA era but see the result. As to India importing products are concerned, I strongly disagree with your assessment. If other countries are able to produce corn and oranges at a cheaper rate then we should NOT be blaming them rather be asking ourselves that why are we not able to do so? or Why are we even producing oranges and corn if we can't be competitive? Of course, the other aspect is technology. Most of these countries that export fruits or crops to India use GM seeds but Indian farmers are not allowed because NGOs start protesting. As to Bihar farmers fetching poor rates, I don't think it is much of a mystery. It is a state where the philosophy is to become collectively poor rather than collectively prospering. Much has improved in Bihar since the 90s but much more is desired. I do not mean to offend our Bihari citizens but I am only quoting the reality. Going by your figures, I see that someone is gaming the market by procuring corn at 900 and selling it at 1800 without even getting involved in any of the agricultural hard work. These reforms will exactly tackle these problems. I am tired of this notion of "evil Corporates". It is the stupidest thing ever. Corporates account for nearly a 1/3rd of India's tax revenue (Rs 6.1 Trillion). Don't get me wrong they are no saints and often involved in tax scams and other heartless activities, but they are run by very smart people. The whole idea that Corporates will cheat farmers or exploit them is completely bogus. $60 Billion worth Mukesh Ambani is unlikely to hassle over a few thousand with farmers. Corporates have billions of dollars at stake and hence would want a reliable supplier. If they indulge in stupidity they lose a reliable and trustworthy supplier. I have personally seen suppliers of MRF, Maruti, or even Tatas prosper. I do not deny that there are problems. One key issue is the delay in payments and Corporates seek strict quality control and may reject the product if it is not as per specifications. Therefore, Govt must set up a SEBI like the association to see that the contract is honored. Otherwise, also Corporates have a reputation at stake. A farmer committing suicide in the name of a Corporate house is not the kind of publicity that any corporate would want.
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  3414.  @Surya_teja  There are multiple things to consider here. Q1) Let's start with the basics. Nobody would acquire company X at its entire mcap of Y. For listed companies, 33%+ is enough for control (very loose definition. Just for a general sense. There are other qualifiers for control) & 50%+ is considered ownership. For, e.g., Promoter ownership in both of Adani's cement acquisitions is at 50% (ACC) and 65%(Ambuja) only. While you may not acquire firms at the MCAP, you still need to pay a hefty premium over the stock price (usually the case but not always, NDTV was actually acquired at a discount). So in the ACC-Ambuja case, Adani paid $10 Billion for companies whose entire MCAP does not exceed $15 billion. The extra amount paid over the share price goes as "Goodwill" in the balance sheet of Adani group acquiring it. This acquisition was financed using Bonds. So Adani group companies will have to repay money to these bondholders. This is not ACC or Ambuja's loan. They don't have to pay for their own acquisition. 2) In case X goes bankrupt, X's lenders will take over Y. It's the same thing as normal foreclosures. If somebody doesn't pay their loan, banks take possession of their assets like a house, car, etc. X being a health company, will be reauctioned and sold again. I sense your troubles. It has been repeatedly flagged that the Adani group is expanding too fast. Ambuja & ACC are safe, and it has been clarified today that Adani group has not pledged their shares for any other loans (If they had, it would have been a massive fraud because they are already given as collateral somewhere else). IMO, the NDTV acquisition is a total waste of money. Media hasn't been generating money anywhere in the world. Streaming services have bruised them badly. The Hindenburg Report is good and timely. It will slow down Adani's expansion and will revert them to focus on their core businesses. Lastly, with all due respect, "But is there any company in the world that can grow indefinitely and exponentially?" is a flawed question. "Going Concern" and "Business entity" are among the two fundamental assumptions in accounting. Accountants always assume that the firm will continue in perpetuity. In fact, if there is reason to believe that this assumption might not hold, Auditors are morally bound to disclose it in the audit report. As to exponential growth, there will always be periods of slack and rapid rise. Overall, Many firms, like Microsoft, Apple, etc., have delivered year-after-year growths. But even they are at a price multiple of close to 30. Before this scandal, Adani was at 400. It was never sustainable. According to my valuation, the share price of Adani should not be more than Rs 900, so a lot more correction is required. PS: As a side note, Adani's debts, while high cumulatively, are within manageable limits based on ratio indicators). Only Adani Green, which has a debt-to-equity ratio of over 2, is at a dangerous level. nevertheless, in absolute terms, it's just one cheque from Mr. Adani.
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  3526.  @u18walr1n8  Thank you for pointing out the NYT report. It is also true that they were unpaid and underfunded and the US abandoned them. But is that a valid excuse in the face of a battle? Did the Indian army run away after they lost 20 of their soldiers to Chinese forces last year? This was amidst so much propaganda. Remember the videos of Chinese super soldiers fighting in practicing in ice-cold temperatures? Me saying anything won't dent an iota of respect toward the martyrdom of soldiers who stayed behind and fought. However, the facts are clear. The pictures were clear. Soldiers abandoning posts, taillights of US-gifted vehicles rushing towards Uzbekistan, surrender, handing over of weapons, taking of cash, and running away are NOT THE CONDUCT OF A PROFESSIONAL ARMY. They were not just poorly trained but lacked the mental will to fight. That is why I said women would have shown more resistance because they had more at stake to lose. Anyways, feel free to forge your own opinion. I respect your sentiment. The Taliban are savages and perhaps running away was the more wise choice. However, it was NOT the US ABANDONMENT or the SILENCE OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY or the SURRENDER OF ARMED FORCES that allowed the return of the Taliban. The war was lost in the 20 years during which the Afghan administration did nothing to DETOX or DEISLAMIFY the country. There is a meme on Twitter comparing some rules under the Taliban and rules under the former Afghan Govt. THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
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  3716. I think Rahul has provided Modi Govt a way out of the kerb. He raised three problems with the reforms which are very easy to rectify: 1) The first law according to Rahul will enable unlimited buying and disallow purchases in Mandis. I didn't really understand the problem here because Mandis are set up to ensure farmers have a place to sell. As long as there is a sale (which was the primary purpose of setting up Mandi in the first place), why should anyone be worried? Perhaps Rahul fears the disappearance of a Mandi system will leave farmers bound to the private players forever. Fair enough. It's a valid point. Modi Govt can provide legal status to Mandis and guarantee their existence. This way private players also won't get cocky and farmers will have a Govt net to fall to. Although I think the zero tax system in the original law was intended to resolve exactly this problem. 2) The second law according to Rahul will enable unlimited buying and lead to hoarding. This actually is a bit far-fetched because modern businesses don't operate this way. Imagine the headlines if Big Bazar and D Mart are caught hoarding. They'll face mass boycotts. Secondly, there is a storage issue and most food items are perishable. Also, these companies generally operate on thin margins. For them, high inventory turnover is of utmost importance. Nonetheless, Modi Govt can strengthen the existing laws against. I personally feel these laws will eliminate hoarding altogether. The only thing any Govt truly cares about is food inflation. It's impossible to sell propaganda to a population already feeling the pinch. With many legit players Govt will have better control to prevent hoarding. 3) The third law according to Rahul will put farmers against big Corporates in a DM's office. Now, this is again a valid point and it was among the several things Modi Govt was ready to amend. They were planning to replace it with courts but I suggest the Govt go one step further and set up a tribunal. It should allow the Opposition to nominate a third of its members. This way there'll be a more participative democracy. I think BJP must seize the opportunity. Even if it doesn't bring about resolution it will surely expose the Congress.
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  3834. Hey SG, appreciate the analogy but I just want to remind you that Javed Jaffrey had a brilliant plan in place to take down his brother. He had almost succeeded had Akki not interfered. I think it is the most opportune time to strike China. I believe it is actually better to run in the other direction but not FORCE. The advantage of higher tax is that it increases Government revenue. This way Govt manages to tap into money otherwise put into savings. The argument here is that the Government can spend the whole revenue collection. However, considering BJP's main vote bank is middle class, Modi is unlikely to burden them. So I see it as a "Non-Starter". When the road split into two it would be wise to make the 3rd path. India's advantages: Largest domestic consumption market, young population, and Strong IT Sector. Disadvantage: Lack of Infra and manufacturing. Govt should expand the fiscal deficit and tap into foreign reserves which are over $400 billion (esp since Oil prices are low). Since our inflation rate is also low RBI activate should Quantitative Easing. This is a time to give tax breaks and create internal demand. I appreciate Modi's comment on "Self-reliance" and SG is right that we need to produce goods that the world wants but at the moment we are not sure about global demand. Trump-China Trade deal may likely be called off and Trump sure as hell will retaliate. We should provide safe havens to these American companies and foster alliances with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. This Indo-Pacific alliance could be a stellar example of international cooperation. These countries have capital and Technology and India can fill in the labor gaps. Thes are also among the very few countries with whom India does not have any bad blood and they too are hostile to China. Covid19 need not change our trajectory in fact it should serve as acceleration.
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  3878.  @saptarsi7868  Please do NOT feed his delusional cocktail of lies. As I mentioned earlier, Dalit priests are plenty. Gorakhpur temple is just one example. Newer temples have priests from all castes. Temple administrators appoint caretakers. Strictly speaking, they are not "priests" like the ones learned in Vedas, but sometimes "devotion" is the only merit that matters. Hinduism is rich, inclusive, and contrary to popular belief, the great religion has a well-defined structure. Unlike Christianity and other Abrahamic religions, Hinduism actually promotes the pursuit of knowledge. It holds that "knowledge" is the pathway to the creator. The 4 varnas are a hierarchy indicating the state of mind and not a family of birth. It is important that we accept that somewhere down the line, our sacred religion got corrupted. It is essentially that we stop defending the indefensible. Bhagwad Gita is the ultimate authority on our religion. It only discusses "Karma" and "Dharma". We must discard the notion of "hierarchies" among castes. Select pages of texts advocating nonsense like this must also be dismissed. A non-veg eater cannot be called a Brahmin just for bearing a "Trivedi" or "Chaturvedi" surname. How many of these can actually recite even 1/4th of a Veda to deserve such prestigious surnames? We need reforms, and we need them fast. AP, TN, and Punjab are already hotbeds for evangelists. Maha and Telangana are also witnessing the menace of conversion. If it gains a foothold in North India, our civilization will be lost like the Mayans. Don't give an inch to fake news peddlers and propagandists. Don't let them use our religion against us.
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  3958. Not wrong, just incomplete. You got the basic "AB" but missed the "C" and "D". C being conversions and D being drugs. Both have become real menace now and are feeding off each other. SAD got decimated in 2017 on the back of vicious "Udta Punjab" propaganda. Badal family member Manjitia himself was at the center of all attacks. He later filed defamation suits and even won against major publication houses that recklessly sullied his image. Nevertheless, the damage was already done. SAD lost its credibility and people's trust. The Amarinder Govt came in on the promise of making Punjab drug-free in 4 weeks. This was in 2017 and 3 CMs and 1 election later, the problem still persists. Meanwhile, the Conversion activities continued expanding and seeking destitute, Dalit, drug-troubled families feeding them hopes, EU/Canada visa promises, drug de-addiction miracles, and even literally rice bags. Punjab was never the most educated state. Superstition was always there, but the extent of the Dalit-Jat divide somehow got overlooked. The state became a victim of its own success. Jat Sikhs did not share the fruits of success with Dalits. Many are moving away from Hindu-Sikh folds. The Gurudwara Jathedars continue sleeping. Most of the Sikhs simply don't care as they are focussed on settling abroad (same as Hindus of Andhra), leaving the state behind for Evangelists. Agriculture isn't what it used to be. Productivity has peaked, land holdings have become smaller, the population is mainly skill-less, and most of the agriculture is done by laborers from UP-Bihar, leaving the state's affluent youth with a lot of free time. As the saying goes, "an idle mind is the devil's workshop". Drugs, alcohol, and Canadian dreams are spoiling the youth. People are aware of the problems. Change is the buzzword. SAD-INC did nothing to change the status quo hence people opted for a newbie like AAP. Yet, despite ridiculous promises, the ultimate delivery has been nothing. The state needs a complete overhaul. Farm laws were actually a step in a positive direction; we all know how that went. Real sad state of affairs. Amritpal's quick rise tells you the extent of disenchantment that the people have with mainstream parties. The implosion of SAD and INC has frustrated the masses. It's been a total collapse of politics and governance. The state itself has become lethargic and offers little hope of redemption.
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  4137.  @Thallium983  That is also the reason why an all India MSP would spell out the doom of farmers. Buyers won't have to coerce any farmer, the farmers themselves will willingly sell their produce for whatever price they are being offered. A legalized MSP will set floor prices. This will create an oversupply. Most farmers in India depend on the immediate sale of their produce to repay their loans. They also don't have a place to store their produce. In an oversupply, all farmers would compete with each other to get the product out of their fields. The trader now simply has to wait for the farmer to fall at his feet and take whatever rate he is offering. This would be illegal but nobody will complain because it is either that or the trader simply does not buy. Clearly, the latter is not an option for the farmer. I saw a protestor holding a placard and mocking Modi. The placard read "You can't download Roti from Google". Yes, you can't download it but you can order it. A legalized MSP regime will open up smuggling fronts. Traders will either legally import cheap food from abroad or smuggle it. This will further depress the demand for food grains. Farmer's won't benefit from MSP. Farmer's can only benefit by adopting free market. If they don't want to engage with Corporates, it's fine. They can set up their own Co-operatives like Amul. They can get together to grow corn, pulses, palm oil, almonds etc depending on soil suitability. Only a free market can create wealth. Govt of India should withhold these reforms in Punjab but elsewhere I hope they implement them.
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  4209.  @Dr.SD4079  Humans are at the epicenter of politics and religion. As we all know humans are flawed. Sometimes it's best to let people learn from mistakes. We don't vote to appoint hugely successful management figures like Ratan Tata or Aditya Puri. We get what we get. At the level of a PM usually it is more about leaving behind a legacy. People may have their grievances against Modi or Indira or Nehru or MMS or VP Singh or Vajpayee or Narsmiharao but all have made contribution to India's development. As to Islam, you may believe what you want to believe but my first hand experience has been worse. It is also true for many others. Your religion has no relevance outside your home or even beyond your own body but with Islam things are assertive and confrontational. Burning of firecrackers in places with bad air quality is also stupidity irrespective of the festival or the significance of it to a particular religious community. India cannot be bracketed into the Anglo-American philosophies of left and right. The ideological division was never perfect to begin with. India's right has traditionally been more progressive at least on the economic front. MMS era was more engaging at least until the first term. After that it got overrun by the leftists (and corruption) of Rahul era. Most Indians are libertarians and there are not many true liberals. Everyone trolling others is intellectually bankrupt. Perhaps trolling Modi or Rahul is fine (Occupational hazard) but why bring voters into the mix? Obviously that is no way to win over them and if they don't shift basis you are anyways not going to win. In the end respect the vote even if you can't respect the leader.
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  4223.  @kartikeysheokand6647  With due respect, It is not just India where you have consumers favored in the agro sector. The middle class won't mind spending Rs 450 on caramel popcorns in the movie theatre but will cry foul if corn or wheat goes up by even Rs 2 a kg. Agriculture is heavily subsidized all over the world. In Japan, subsidies are almost 52% of the cost of production. In India too subsidies are high. The benefits are not realized in India because we forget that there are 2 classes of farmers-> rich landlords and small farmers. It is very often that the former controls or even exploits the latter. I know that we like to assume that farmers are weak and need protection from others but therein lies the problem. We have created so many barriers to access farmers that private don't wish to be anywhere near them and instead prefers dealing through middlemen who built a cartel around farmers. You spoke about the plight of Haryana farmers who shifted to corn. I cannot confirm the veracity of your statement but I cannot discount the possibility of it. You can't expect results in just one year or even two as is the case with any business. Just because there is a localized supply it does not mean that there will be demand. Firms are tied in long-term contracts and have the need to ascertain the quality and other aspects before recalibrating their whole supply chains to a new player in the market even if the new producer offers corn or any raw material for that matter at a considerable discount. Hence, the need to incentivize farmers in the initial years. It is not about whether the MSP regime is good or bad or pampering the Indian consumer. What most people don't realize is that one way or the other we still end up paying full prices for all these shenanigans.
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  4224.  @harpreetsinghmann  Wheat MSP is about Rs 19,250. The cost of procurement to FCI which includes Mandi fees and Arthiya commission is Rs 27,026. The international price of wheat is Rs 16,400. Thus, making exports unviable. The case with Paddy is similar while the MSP on Rice is very close to international markets i.e. around Rs 29,000, the procurement cost to FCI is Rs Rs 37,000. So don't judge the whole equation only by MSP. Only the MSP portion is received by the farmers but the rest is pocketed by the middlemen. FCI has a total debt of 3 lakh crores and the Govt has to shell out export subsidies to get rid of this surplus esp in the case of sugar which is simply too much in India. (source: MSP website and http://www.businessworld.in/article/The-Perpetual-MSP-Challenge/23-12-2020-357441/) As to your point about MSP stabilizing the prices -> Yes and No. The procurement on MSP is only 6% and applies only to about 6 crops. I would never recommend doing away with MSP. However, I would recommend producing less wheat and rice and shifting to palm oil and even corn where international prices are much higher. In fact, even that would be a folly. Farmers should be more dynamic and always be on the watch for prices. That is how contract farming would help. Assessing their current situation farmer can decide to enter into two or three-year contracts and agree on a fixed price today for whatever crop they decide. One year later the market price may be more or maybe less but the farmer is assured of his price. Nobody gets hurt as everyone was aware of the contract. Of course, I recommend simplicity and supervision to ensure that farmers are fully aware of all the provisions in the contract. FREE MARKETS ARE NEVER BAD. BE IT INDIA OR THE US. It can always ensure good prices and get rid of inefficiencies. It is folly to assume that Corporates are BAD. Setting up cold storage infrastructure is a significant cost. Corporates need to balance between these costs, salaries, and a 10%-15% profit margin for themselves. You can't expect them to compromise on their profits. The idea that farmers will get peanuts is merely a speculation. In fact, in the current system, they are getting peanuts as you pointed n your assessment. The market rate for quality Atta is anywhere between Rs 40 to Rs 100 per kg. Quality rice is anywhere between Rs 50 to Rs 200 and Palm oil is about Rs 60 to Rs 120 per liter. These are the various opportunities to encash upon which can only happen once we make farming more efficient and commercial. Right now we have an over-bloated system that is taking FCI to bankruptcy, Govt to bailout packages, and holding almost 60% of India's population for a paltry sum of about15% of GDP. We all know that MSP cannot increase perpetually. Costs cannot be a justification for the price. Making India an export hub can help improve farming. The Indian middle class won't mind buying caramel flavor popcorns in the movie theatre for Rs 300 or Rs 600 but the moment price of wheat goes from Rs 20 to Rs 22, people start shouting. Agriculture need not be about sloganeering "Jai Kisaan" while ensuring that the "Annadata" never gets out of his poverty. The Indian farmer should not be deprived of modern machinery and technology for farming.
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  4307.  @pardeeptandon  This is the type of half-baked "gyaan" which is why the Left has lost respect among the mainstream and now remains locked up in its echo chambers. Let me debunk your "myths". Punjab's current problems have nothing to do with Khalistan. In fact, all through the Khalistan movement, it was India's richest state. All its problems are post-2000s. Its wealth became its curse. The lethargy among its youth and overdependence on agriculture led to the state's decline. However, despite the slump, Punjab is amongst India's least unequal states and least poor states. Most people have their own houses. Also, Punjab is 40% Hindu. Its current problems are drugs, Christian missionaries, and the inability to shift away from agriculture. Sri Lanka has always been a Buddhist country irrespective of the Govt in power. It was an Asian superstar (way ahead of India) until its people elected Gotabaya Rajapaksa. The inexperienced idiot and a dynast nuked their economy. The lesson to be drawn from the Lanka debacle is to NEVER ELECT INEXPERIENCED DYNASTS like Gotabaya and Rahul Gandhi. Bangladesh is Muslim and, by character, religiously TOXIC. The UN Human Rights Office of High Commissioner (OHCHR) has called it - "a Secular State with a State Religion". The US regularly rebukes Bangladesh for being intolerant of Hindu minorities. Ram not being a Hindu king is such a puerile argument. Firstly, Ram is a mythological character, but even if he was a historical character, he would have been a Sanatani. The later date coinage of Sanatan Dharma is Hinduism. There is no Brahmanical Hinduism, and there are no multiple Hinduisms. It is ONE Hinduism with multiple FLEXIBILITIES. Even Kabirpantis who do not believe in idol worship identify themselves as Hindus. All things are accepted in Hinduism. There is no "confirmation" or reading of "Kalma" required to become a Hindu. Lastly, the Hindu movement is not religious but rather cultural; hence, it finds resonance among the masses, which you people will never understand. Among the most economically thriving countries of the world are cultural countries. Tiny Israel leads in global innovation. The wealthy Middle East is opening up without compromising on its cultural ethos. Even many European countries have not given up on their cultural identity. The ones that gave up and allowed space for refugees are now struggling. The US is in trouble because its societal values have collapsed. BJP is leading the nation well. There are problems that need to be addressed and there are many things that the BJP is not doing right. However, the alternatives have ZERO PLAN and A MAN CHILD whose only qualification is his surname. If it's a mistake then so be it. The bottom line is even if societies are making mistakes. They have the right to commit the mistakes and learn from those mistakes. You can have your "I told you so" when things go awry.
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  4516.  @krunalpanchal6498  Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself. Only 6% of purchases happens at MSP. I agree it serves as a reference for purchase but over the years cartels have taken over and effectively replaced the "minimum" in MSP with "maximum" but that is just the tip of the iceberg. Making it statutory will make a purchase below MSP a criminal offense. This will put off buyers esp if the market prices are low and they are forced to shell out more money and they would simply not buy. Think about it, Why would you buy wheat for Rs 20 when you can import it for Rs 10? You ban imports and the agro industry would not be competitive anymore. Farmers esp the small farmers need money immediately after harvest and they also don't have storage mechanisms. Private buyers on the other hand can wait them out because in a surplus as it is demand would be low. Farmers will either have to sell at very low prices or would the option of burning their produce. It is one thing to oppose these reforms for political mileage but what is surprising is that Congress is backing this irrational demand of "statutory" MSP? They were in power for 10 years before Modi and many times before that too. They know damn well why a statutory MSP is bad. Even if they win in 2024 over this are they in any position to implement it? This DANGEROUS and effectively the path to becoming Venezuela. Modi SHOULD SIMPLY ROLL BACK THE REFORMS. FARMERS HAVE CHOSEN POVERTY. GIVE IT TO THEM. IT IS EASIER TO KEEP SIGNING FARM LOAN WAIVER CHEQUES THAN INKING A STATUTORY MSP THAT WILL DESTROY INDIA.
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  4581.  @94pranjalshukla  The whole model logic is simply a political gimmick. You don't have to see beyond Delhi where farmers from a handful of states are blocking game-changer reforms that could actually benefit the country. Nandigram was Bengal's biggest fiasco condemned Bengal to another 10 years of poverty. See Ari in Maharashtra which is again stuck because of stupid politics. The Land acquisition bill is not even being talked about. The truth is Indians should STOP BLAMING ITS POLITICIANS for failures like unemployment. Indians have a progress phobia. Gujratis are an exception in the sense that Gujrat readily welcomes employment creating initiatives. As to malnutrition and other stuff, typical Gujrati food is not something that you would call highly nutitious. We have a situation where one party comes with reforms others simply derail them. Modi deserves credit for developing Gujrat. You talk about its natural resources and other advantages but the society was always deeply divided on caste lines. Post-2002 for whatever reasons Modi managed to make it about Gujarati Asmita and steered a collective economic drive backed by all he could collect on his side. Maha too has plenty of resources but the state suffers from corruption and a relative uneasy. It is also a large state which is very difficult to govern (like UP) but nonetheless, none are excuses for it not being the most developed state. Also, it is NOT the richest. It has the highest GDP but ranks 13th in per capita income (behind Gujarat and Tamil Nadu).
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  4729.  @MadhuSudhan014  Enlighten us, how did privatization of railways turn out in the UK? Did it make their population poorer? Are their companies loss-makers like Indian Railways? Indian Railways proudly write on our tickets that 43% of the cost of travel is borne by taxpayers in comparison German Govt owned DB make billions in profits. Railways are not cheap anywhere in Europe. The cheapest mode there is buses next is flights (cheap ones like Ryan Air are even cheaper than buses at times) and the most expensive is railways for city to city travel. Only for within city travel, railways are cheap (because taxis are super expensive). The European landscape is also suitable for cycling unlike ours. Only a handful of cities in India have metros and Mumbai metro is privately owned. Public transport in the US is heavenly by Indian standards. Nevertheless, Subways and Metros in the US are some amalgamations of state ownership. Also, I never suggested outright selling of every enterprise. Within a city, metros are compensated almost everywhere in the world. It is a vital cog that connects labor to workshops. Long-distance travel is generally not heavily subsidized like the case in India. Also, the US has strong anti-trust laws which forbid monopoly. There are many litigations in their courts against this. Telecom in the US is consolidated with largely four players as is the case everywhere in the world (Handful of companies in Telecom sectors). As regards to Cable, you need to see the larger picture there. The threat of substitutes is high making it one of the most competitive sectors today and I am not sure that such competition and rivalry have benefitted the consumers in the streaming/cable sector. In fact, even in India, we are spending way more on streaming/cable/entertainment-related expenses. Capitalism is known to promote income inequality but by far it is the best system. There is no example of a successful Socialist/communist state. In fact, the experiment ended with the collapse of the USSR.
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  4737.  @AryanRaj-yf2mj  I have my reservations about the Congress but I am not a hardcore Modi suppporter a.k.a "Bhakt". I am a Capitalist as I believe it is the only way wealth can be created for all (of course people get greedy a.k.a crony-Capitalism). I agree with the latter part of your argument. I have faced such situations because in my state surname is a dead give away of ones caste but then I had brahmin friends and professors who were very encouraging and helpful. So its not about caste but more about people. I do see merit in general caste argument after all they do score better than OBC list and its natural to have feelings of resentment. Lets face it we have a bad education system. Why should some stupid merit score determine one's admission? No worthy person should be denied of admission. Also, in my state we have had instance where OBC cut-off has been higher than General. If that becomes a recurring theme than Generals will have nothing to complain about. It is not a question of resevation being bad or evil. It is there forever because it is political but one must be mindful of the fact that those who take aadmissions or jobs do an exemplary job so that nobody can raise questions. The problem is our mentality irrespective of caste. Its a bad practice of over 1000s of years. Only assimilation can change it and assimilation takes time. The leftist army of the country which primarily is made up of upper castes is actually force of evil that is furthering casteism. THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT UNITE US THAN THOSE THAT DIVIDE US.
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  4804.  @slashybluesy  Productive Infra? People in India always think of life in Germany and New Zealand. Of course, it is better. They have the best healthcare and very little poverty if at all any but why? They have a tax-to-GDP ratio of 35% (In India it is 10.5%). They have resources and Industrial corridors. India on the other hand have an unstable policy and Industrialization is frowned upon. POSCO signed an MoU in 2005 to start a steel plant in India, till today they haven't got their land. The MoU also expired. From where development will come? You can easily develop hinterlands of UP and Bihar if you can set up rail corridors and connect them to ports of Kolkata and Surat but do we have the political will to do that? NOPE. No party has that willingness neither Congress nor BJP nor regional parties because all are concerned about losing votes. THAT IS THE STATE OF PRODUCTIVE INFRA FOR YOU. IT IS A NON-STARTER. NO Country can progress with such a lax attitude towards development. I can understand that NE, Kerala, Goa, parts of Karnataka, Odisha, MP and Maharashtra are ecologically sensitive regions but what about the rest of India? Also, being ecological sensitive is no excuse for lack of progress. Why couldn't Kerala become an IT or Educational or Financial hub? Ditto for other ecologically sensitive states. You will accuse me of shifting the Goalpost but this is the state of affairs in India. I don't care if CENTRAL VISTA is vanity or vermin. It is still work, unlike your so-called PRODUCTIVE INFRA that gets CAUGHT UP AND BURIED UNDER RED TAPES. India needs to embrace Keynesian economics.
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  4831.  @Fernandez.54  Quoting facts does NOT make me APOLOGETIC. Sikh-Hindu history has been far more COMPLEX before 1984. Sikhs and Hindus had a common enemy in Mughals, but Sikhism has always been DISTINCT from Hinduism (it does NOT matter that Guru Nanak was born Hindu. Jesus was also a born Jew). Sikhism drew most of its adherents from Hinduism. The war with the Mughals led to peace and tolerance between the two faiths. There were also many goodwill gestures toward Hindus by Sikh Kings. Hindus also revered Sikh Gurus and played a key role in forming the Sikh empire. However, post the formation of SGPC, Sikhism became very political. In fact, the demand for Khalistan is older than Pakistan. Sikhs were still numerically small. Post-partition, Hindus & Sikhs had to migrate to India. Many were hosted in Punjab. This increased their numerical strength in Punjab. Post-the trifurcation of East Punjab, a new Sikh-majority Punjab emerged. The state was still raw from partition wounds and the Sikh identity crisis (which had nothing to do with Hindus) ignited the fire of Khalistan. We Hindus are among the stupidest people when it comes to religious assertion. We have no uniform faith to speak of and are always in a hurry to HINDU-IZE other religions. We unilaterally declared Sikhism and Buddhism as offshoots of Hinduism. NOPE, they are NOT. Our Gods and their Gods are NOT the same. Hindus need to set their own house order. Unless we protect our culture and our religion. We will always be under duress from others.
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  4863.  @surjakarki4807  I have already admitted flaws in our foreign policy, but you are making baseless and incorrect assertions. Both Eelam and East Pakistan separatism are well documented. You just have to read the history. India played no role in fueling them. Bengalis were subjected to great humiliation by Punjabis for years. Yahya dismissing Mujeeb's claim to PMship was the tipping point. The last thing India could have wanted was a sovereign Tamil Eelam. It was not just a threat to Sri Lanka but also to India. The systemic isolation of Tamilians cultivated the LTTE. Sirimavo Bandaranaike's policies toward Tamils were no different from Hitler's toward Jews. In fact, India repeatedly warned the Lankan Govt. Perhaps, India's fatal flaw was not acting tough on the Lankans. One reason was the untimely death of Indira Gandhi. She had sternly warned Jaywardene and even threatened military intervention. Rajiv Gandhi had greatly weakened by late 80s. His IPKF made Sri Lanka India's Vietnam. All in all, our foreign policy needs to be decisive when it comes to our neighbours. We have been very fickle and sometimes too slow to react. As to Nepal, we should not have any stake in the country's parliamentry democracy. However, let me CRYSTAL CLEAR, We have no stake in Nepal's integrity either. It is for Nepalese to hold their nation together. It is for the Nepali Govt to keep Madhesis and Pahadis united. Stop pinning the blame on India and curse us. We are not fuelling any separatism in the country. Last year, KP Oli selfishly used India as an excuse to prolong his govt. He weaponized foreign policy and challenged India's sovreingty. India could have reacted sharply yet we showed patience and maturity.
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  5066. @Arnab Haldar I respect your opinion but I have to disagree with much of it. First of all, I doubt the political discourse has anything to do with "secularism". Politics is politics. If they don't pick religion a politician would pick some other issue. I remember the days when I was a teenager and swayed by Raj Thackeray's "Bhumiputra" nonsense. Now, I know better that it was merely a political tactic. Nothing is getting worse in India. The BJP is winning because the Opposition is led by morons. Also, Modi has a strong following. People like good orators and his Hindu hriday samrat image is a major selling point. Now that Afghanistan has triggered a national security issue, Modi is once again likely going to benefit from it because Rahul, in the words of the late Sheila Dixit, is still not "mature". Also, please don't bring up the "BJP destroyed his image" excuse. His Lok Sabha performance and his interview with Arnab speak plenty. Coming back to the notion of secularism. I am from a place where there are several oral tales about the destruction of Hindu properties by Muslim invaders. We are brought listening to stories of the great Shivaji and his adventures against the Mughals who are always the ENEMY. The events are true and the destruction was real too. Of course, it was years ago but if you try to sell us secularism as "There was NO DESTRUCTION by INVADERS. IT IS ALL A MADE-UP STORY", Then bro we are sorry. We don't buy such SECULARISM. We are not some rioting place. The constituency was always loyal to the Congress but only since 2014 the tied has switched toward the BJP. Back in 2014, the MMS Govt had become so lethargic and unpopular that there was a wholesale switch towards Modi. Since then the Congress has got completely disintegrated. I think the kind of "Secularism" that you described never existed in India. The church or in India's case the temple never really set the terms for the state because there is no one authority on Hinduism in India but religion has always been a factor in policymaking. For a highly religious country like ours that's not necessarily a bad thing. The beef ban was not a BJP policy it was from the times of Congress or the funding of Madrasahs for education. However, Post the 80s the ban on Satanic verses, the Shah Bano case, the opening of the Temple gates in Ayodhya by Rajiv Gandhi, or even Mamata's policy of stipend for Imams and ban on idol immersion during Muharram were a part of larger "pandering" or "appeasement" to the "fundamentalists". Even today the Pew study is clear that Indians are tolerant. Hindus are in fact more tolerant. Muslims are understandably more "religious" because it's just the way they are brought up. However, Secularism in India has always been maintaining some minimum status quo. In fact, one of the findings of that study was that we do not like intermixing. There are no "blasphemy" laws in India but we still arrest people for "disrespecting and insulting faith under instigating rioting" (applies to all regions in India btw). French secularism on the other hand would do no such thing. Their freedom of speech allows Charlie Hebdo but ours is an outright ban.
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  5125. ​ @Subh8081  FALLING BACK TO OLD HABITS OF PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD ARE WE? READ MY POST CORRECTLY. Your EARLIER quote "but don't ever say that ". You have NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND I CANNOT SAY. I CALLED THIS A TERRORIST-TALIBANI behavior NOT YOUR CRITICIZING OF MODI. I never told you to say this or that. I have been clear from the onset of the debate - You are entitled to your opinion. As to Fascism and Hitler. YES, IT A REAL THREAT. BUT FROM WHOM? Here are some links. https://www.ndtv.com/bangalore-news/arrested-bengaluru-doctor-abdur-rahman-allegedly-made-app-for-isis-says-anti-terror-body-nia-2282707 https://www.dw.com/en/india-arrests-9-suspected-al-qaeda-terrorists/a-54986076 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kerala-man-trained-by-isis-in-iraq-found-guilty-by-special-nia-court-2300985 Who are these offsprings of Mussolini? They are waging a war against the country. They want to turn India into a battleground. You are happy to look the other way round because it suits your VICTIM CARD narrative. You are fine with them because they do not burn your house. There are no Concentration camps in India but there are RADICALIZATION CENTRES. CONGRESS FACILITATED THE BREEDING OF SUCH ELEMENTS and were happy to see them bomb Hindu temples and destroy Hindu lives. You say you condemn them. But they exist. Why? As recently as a couple of weeks back a mob of thousands burnt a house and that too an MLA no less. YOU SAY I CONDEMN THEM. WILL YOUR CONDEMNING HAVE ANY IMPACT? CAN YOU GUARANTEE THERE WILL BE NO SUCH INCIDENCES? NO. You know radicalization is a problem. Instead of SOLVING THAT YOU WRITE PASSAGES ON HINDURASHTRA. Reminds me of a Raj Kumar dialogue -> About people leaving in glasshouses and throwing stones at others. You HIDE LIKE COWARDS BEHIND VICTIM CARD and the bigger problem goes unacknowledged - The deafening silence. These people do not do such acts without specific motivations. The silence amounts to collusion. THIS IS THE REAL CANCER. You DO NOT VALUE HINDU LIVES. TO YOU THEY DO NOT MATTER. After all, you reduced the Kashmiri Pandit Exodus to "Terrorist threats". They were more than just threats. It was GENOCIDE. It was ETHNIC CLEANSING. You habitually quote hate speeches from BJP leaders. They are just empty words. This is REAL HATE IN ACTION. They don't want your condemning they want justice and the homeland and properties. But of course, they DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF THE VICTIM CARD AND VOTE BANK POLITICS. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmiri-pandit-exodus-sunanda-vashisht-1619180-2019-11-15 https://eurasiantimes.com/indian-media-wakes-up-after-30-years-to-cover-kashmiri-pandit-genocide/ Coming back to Banglore riots. I know it was a Congress MLA''s house. Yet the statements of Congress leaders were nothing but cringeworthy. Instead of expressing solidarity, Congress was advising the NEPHEW of the MLA. His alleged post while wrong and stupid could have been tackled by law. But JEHAD COULD NOT WAIT. DOES THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH OR ISHWAR NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CAUSE EARTHQUAKES AND WHAT NOT? ARE THEY SO HELPLESS THAT THEY NEED PUNY HUMANS TO FIGHT THEIR BATTLES FOR THEM? IS IT FAIR that Hindus live in FEAR all the time? I BEAR NO ILL WILL TO ANY RELIGION. Your hypocrisy stands SO MUCH EXPOSED when you try to justify Rahul's temple run and Priyanka's Ram Mandir support. You called and I quote "Shifting of Discourse". Here is an example of the shifting of discourse. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/ram-temple-is-coming-up-with-consent-of-all-kamal-nath/article32247412.ece https://theprint.in/politics/rajiv-gandhi-fulfilled-idea-of-ram-rajya-mp-congress-functionary-claims-in-full-page-ad/485901/ https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/rajiv-gandhi-opened-locks-called-for-ram-rajya-in-1985-kamal-nath/632586 THE CONGRESS IS TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR RAM TEMPLE. Yet you say it is a CENTRIST Party. IT IS NOTHING BUT A SHIFTING PARTY. AS TO YOUR CRAFTY CONDEMNATIONS and supporting examples of How a Jewish group supported Hitler. By your own logic, the above actions of the Congress would be like becoming the NAZIS. But it is Congress and it dangles the carrot of appeasement so ALL IS FORGIVEN. SO FAR YOUR ENTIRE DEBATE: THE BJP IS BAD and WHEN YOU FUMBLE TO EXPLAIN THE DUBIOUS ACTS OF THE CONGRESS, YOU ADD A "BUT" to CONGRESS. This is partisanship but somehow to you, others are "sycophants" except your own self. As to PRINCIPLES OF THE CONGRESS PARTY. Here is the dictionary definition of the word Principle https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/principle?q=principle It clearly DOES NOT mention that Principles can be altered in response to other people's actions. They are supposed to be guiding system even amidst challenges. Does that make Congress a party of PRINCIPLES? Nope. It is an Opportunist party -> The 180 on farm bills, sudden Ram bhakti, or its alliance with Shivsena are the most recent example. You say and I quote "Religion and Politics must be kept separate". Has the Congress kept them separate? Shah Bano ruling -> NOPE, Satanic verses -> NOPE, Sikh Genocide -> NOPE, Ram Temple -> NOPE (To add insult to injury they are now even attributing its construction to themselves). JUSTIFY THIS. DO NOT GIVE THE EXCUSE "CURRENT GENERATION OF CONGRESS". The above are recent news articles and from LEFTIST Media outlets and just from a few days back. SO TO CONCLUDE YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE: YOU ARE ACCUSING THE BJP OF CRIMES THAT THE CONGRESS HAS ALREADY COMMITTED. You accuse me of looking the other way YET YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ESSENTIALLY LOOKS THE OTHER WAY. You turn a BLIND EYE to the Congress alliance with Shivsena, Soft Hindutva, Shifting discourse, Rajiv Gandhi's opening of Ram Temple, Sikh genocide, Kashmiri Pandit Exodus, Islamic Terror, and everything else. You say you CONDEMN THESE ACTS OF CONGRESS, YET YOU CONTINUE TO PLACATE CONGRESS AS AN ALTERNATIVE. That's HYPOCRISY. So do not pretend that you ride the horse of morality with Congress behind. Your condemnations lack sincerity. You basically have NOTHING TO OFFER BUT ONLY MOCK MODI. You taunt him using words like "God". Is it working? SO FAR NO and that is what is frustrating you. If somebody thinks CONGRESS IS SOMEHOW BETTER THAN THEY ARE ONLY FOOLING THEMSELVES.
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  5126.  @Subh8081  YOUR HYPOCRISY speaks for itself when you SAY "Kamal Nath was spotted near Gurudwara". So you offer him the benefit of the doubt but NOT SADHVI. And yes, I think nobody should resign until proven guilty. Its politics every day there is some accusation or the other. I do not think it is practical to get cleared on one FIR and then resign again on another. As to apology - It's okay to BURN someone's house and just say SORRY? Is this some Justin Bieber song? It's lives. Clearly, For you, Sikh/Hindu lives hold lower value than Muslim lives. THIS IS HYPOCRISY ON YOUR PART. So Hindu house burns you will WhatsApp them a "Sorry" article. Modi dared the Congress to jail him if he was guilty. What happened in the 12 years of investigation. Why did Congress fail? As to "Innocent until proven guilty". The phrase still stands. No court can bar him for him contesting. And he cannot be barred from becoming MP/MLA if he wins. Name of that Person is -> Waiz Ul Islam. My support or no support does not count. Nor it counts in Pragya's case. I am anyways not the voter who chose her. As to ticket to her. I am fine with it. As to you daring me. I say it here- Modi is clean, incorruptible and I support his agenda. It is my right to say whatever I think. YOU ARE EXHIBITING TYPICAL TERRORIST mentality when you say "don't ever say" . You have no right to tell me what to say and think. Next, what burning my house? Like the way it was done in Bengaluru. To be clear in none of my post I've said anything ill about Islam. You can check and re-check. AS TO HINDURASHTRA. Who is more committed to HINDU RASHTRA? Why Not a single word on Congress alliance with Shivsena. Are you so naive or you purposely ignore it on account of your SYCOPHANCY to Congress and BLIND HATE for Modi? I openly confess I am not looking for a saint to become the PM. There is no saint available. The next best option to everyone is Modi. I look the other way in the same way you IGNORE Congress-Shivsena, alliance, Rahul's temple run, Priyannka's Ram Mandir support, Kamal Nath's largest Hanuman temple, Sonia's pandering of Buhari, Owaisi's Hate jibes, Mamta's pandering of You-Know-Who and LEFT's support for Afzal Guru. SO DO NOT TELL ME YOU ARE NOT A HYPOCRITE. THE ONE'S WHO ARE THE MOST DENY THE MOST. If BJP is SO UNPRINCIPLED why can't Congress lead the way and show what it means to be PRINCIPLED? If we have to choose one among a pool of the LEAST WORST then don't tell me your choice is better than mine. If there was some third party with much better leaders who DO NOT talk about RELIGION, who do not indulge in APPEASEMENT POLITICS, DO NOT PANDER TO ISLAMISTS/HINU HARDLINERS, Do real work of CREATING EMPLOYMENT opportunities instead of going the Welfare scheme route - I would have supported that party. BUT I CAN NEVER SUPPORT A PARTY LIKE THE CONGRESS.
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  5128.  @Subh8081  You have presented NO FACTS. Parroting the same lines DOES NOT make them facts. LIES: Criminal MPs FACT: NO CRIMINAL CAN hold a public office as per the order of the Supreme Court. Something which Congress wanted to overturn. LIES: Terror "accused" FACT: Innocent until proven guilty. She was elected by the people of Bhopal by virtue of their infinite wisdom. If they think she is the right candidate for them then that is what matters. There is no shred of evidence against her. The investigation is a work in progress. As to "whataboutism"- That is where your BIGOTRY & HYPOCRISY STANDS EXPOSED. You reduce a genocide against the Sikhs to "What about it?", You reduce the Kashmiri Pandit exodus to "What about it?". So according to you these crimes must be simply forgotten and left UNACKNOWLEDGED. There itself is one reason why people are sick of the MINORITY APPEASEMENT Politics. As to what I don't acknowledge. I am a rationalist. I know what I seek. I see a direction. I like the direction under Modi. MMS was the PM hence he was accountable. But UPA 2 was all about Scams. As to being a part of the Church of Modi, It was never a Church - Maybe a Cricket league or Club football. I have every right to be biased just like the way you are biased against the BJP. There is no such thing as blind faith. People are NEVER BLIND. Nor will they be blind in 2024. You should ask yourself the question, why have you not offered the PERFECT alternative? Yes BJP is not perfect. Yes, Congress is not perfect. Who is the better of the lot? Depends on who you ask. Right now, Modi has the numbers.
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  5129.  @Subh8081  You again make NO POINTS. You are again just beating around the bush. I already said - It's Politics. Nobody is CLEAN. Your argument is BJP is much worse than others based on some selective reports. There are plenty of events that suggest Congress/LEFT is the worst. This is not the Church of Narendra Modi or Church of Rahul Gandhi - They are political parties. Brutal and committed to power by any means necessary. Congress has been dismissing Opposition ruled State Govts for ages. If they ever come back to power they'll repeat the same. Politics has no principles - evident from their alliance with Shiv Sena. Now DO NOT DEFEND THAT. YOU HAVE MADE FAR TOO MANY STATEMENTS ON RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. As to your video links. Indira Gandhi promised the end of poverty in 1980. What happened there? Rajiv Gandhi promised the end of corruption. What happened there? As to religious bigotry. When a sitting PM states that the first right on the nation's wealth is that of minorities. What message does it send across? You talk about reports on Muslims. What about the Sikh genocide? What about the Kashmiri Pandit exodus? Muzaffarnagar riots? or the open pandering of Muslim Mullahs in West Bengal? As to Modi being the best candidate for development - Here is the thing that matters - HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE - because he is already the PM. I see reforms up and running the Farm bill and new Labor Laws. I see Industrialization as a real possibility. I see intent and commitment and MOST IMPORTANTLY, I see TRUST. UNFLINCHING and UNCOMPROMISED. Only votes count in elections - NO OTHER STAT.
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  5134.  @Subh8081  First of all I do not get angry. You guys can never get under my skin. I capitalize words that I feel need to highlighted. I have done this even before this argument started. You can check. There is NO TV STYLE DEBATE HERE. IT WAS ALWAYS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. We were never going to abandon our posts. As to your long stories. Here is the thing. You have no points. People have spread venom against Modi. Did not work in 2002, 2007,2012, 2014, and also 2019. Good luck for the 6th time. Maybe you need to ask yourself why IT IS NOT WORKING? You can't fool everyone for such a prolonged period of time. Be it Balakot or Sanitisation drive or Electrification or Housing or Gas cylinder for the poor or stipend for farmers. Everything reached the masses without any hassle. Why Congress was unable to do it without corruption? You can deny this but everyone knows its the truth. Of course, some were Congress schemes. Development and Social welfare do not have a unique template - It is the same old basic needs. Like in Cricket you have a 6 and a 4. It does not matter if you hit the ball up in the air. It has to cross the boundary line to count. As to Hindurashtra - India can never become one. Hinduism as a practice varies across the country. Also, in the long term, I do not see a future for any religion that is not accommodating progress and science. As to dirty politics - NEWS FLASH - It was always dirty. Read about the Romans. That is why Socrates labeled Democracy as the third-worst form of Governance. Nonetheless, It is the Opposition whose duty is to balance the filth and create awareness among the masses. YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU THINK IT IS ALL ABOUT BIGOTRY AND RELIGION. The rules of the game are like this since 1947. BJP was formed in 1980. It started with 2 seats. Be it Erdogan's Turkey or Imran's Pakistan. IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESS. Euphoria does not last long only tangible benefits do. Of course, there is a hardline section that supports the BJP. There is also another section that supports ANYBODYBUTBJP. Endo of the day Modi will win on the development plank. Although I do acknowledge at the moment he holds a headstart.
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  5135.  @Subh8081  I have been clear from the very start. MODI IS INDIA'S BEST BET. I have never shifted any GOALPOST. You raked up figures about corruption. I simply showed you the mirror. I do not care about Electoral Bonds and PM Cares fund. I trust my Govt to spend it wisely. I do not trust anyone in the OPPOSITION TO DEVELOP INDIA BECAUSE IT IS 2020 AND THEY WERE IN POWER SINCE 1947. IS INDIA DEVELOPED? NO, AND NOT EVEN CLOSE. It took a MODI to deliver electrification, sanitation, and farm reforms without any corruption compare that with MNREGA. WERE THEY ADEQUATE? Maybe not but people appreciated his efforts and voted him for another term. DO NOT DEFEND RAHUL GANDHI. HE WAS IN POWER FOR 10 YEARS. HE IS NOT NEW OR UNTESTED. WE SAW THE UPA 2 FALLING APART POST 2009. Regarding Sonia Gandhi's Cancer. She is free to go to any facilities she likes. No questions there. BUT WHY SUCH HOSPITALS WERE NOT DEVELOPED IN INDIA? AS SOMEBODY GOING THROUGH THAT PAIN COULD SHE NOT UNDERSTAND PAINS OF MILLIONS OF OTHER INDIANS? AS TO THE RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. Who is responsible for it? Pandering to Islamists obviously had its consequences. Lalu used to roam with a look-alike of Osama Bin Laden. Was it not for vote bank politics? Mamta's West Bengal is another example. Where is EQUALITY as enshrined in the CONSTITUTION? I have NO PROBLEM with any religion. Go and check the Speech by the younger brother of OWAISI. IS IT NOT CRINGEWORTHY? Remarks and actions of Siddique of BSP (perhaps now in SP), Waris Pathan, or the great thugs of Muzzafarnagar riots or the latest Tahir Hussain are no different. Okay, Yogi is a hardliner. But what propelled his rise to power? Even the courts berated the SP Govt for its discrimination of compensation. SO DO NOT PRETEND LIKE THIS WAS NOT A PROBLEM. Everything is about safeguarding one's vote banks. I'll admit the situation post CAA is so polarized that it looks like the BJP will never lose. ALL THE PROBLEMS YOU LISTED APPLY TO EVERY POLITICAL PARTY IN INDIA. BUT as Yogendra Yadav aptly puts it - Neither the Congress dies nor it allows others to take its place. See the plight of Bihar. 15 years is too much for any Govt but more than Nitish Kumar's performance it is the fear of a return of Jungle Raj that is keeping people on the edge. Congress and RJD have lost the trust of the masses and FOR VERY GOOD REASONS. SAME IS TRUE FRO REST OF THE INDIA. NO TRUST, NO VOTE. HERE IS THE THING - YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION. OTHERS HAVE THEIRS. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. BUT WE CANNOT FORCE US TO CHANGE OUR OPINIONS. SO FAR A LARGE MAJORITY ARE STEADFASTLY SUPPORTING MODI.
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  5136.  @Subh8081  You first get your thoughts in order. You keep shifting goalposts. No party in India say they are corrupt. From where you got the yardstick to measure corruption? In total BJP has been in power only for a little over 12 years. It was Congress before that. Clearly, You have an agenda. Nothing wrong with it. However, I am not buying your agenda. I couldn't care less about religion. Of course, I am wary of Islamists running amock in this country as everyone should be. There is no such thing called "True" reforms. Good reforms benefit the entire economy and that can happen only if every stakeholder can benefit - Industrialists, Labourers, farmers, services etc. You need a multiplier effect to reach every stakeholder. That is basic economics. Regarding criminal cases - It's politics. You are not sending saints to parliament. A rape accused got elected in Haryana who was a minister in Congress cabinet. People elect them and Parties give them a ticket because they are electable. As to my priorities - They've been clear from the start. I want India to become Germany. I want Industry, cleanliness, equal opportunities and good social standing. It also means I do not want meddling from ANY RELIGION. NO APPEASEMENT. I do not want a Congress who are right now in bed with Shivsena and whose leader go to the US for a routine check-up and whose Opposition is only limited to one tweet a day. India has no other alternative - The closest is Prince of Incompetence - Rahul Gandhi. Kejriwal was once a promising face but no more. INDIA's BEST BET IS MODI and IN 2024 PEOPLE WILL VOTE ONLY MODI.
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  5221.  @AbhishekKumar-fe7yy  First of all your premise is wrong. Your arguments are - "Trust me bro, I know everything". If you can't cite evidence you are intellectually bankrupt. "Foundations nahi tha" it seems. South Korea also got a bad hand (in many ways much worse than India). Yet, their leaders were smart enough to ensure long term prosperity. They adopted the model of "guided capitalism" and built Samsung, LG, Hyundai and other giants. We couldn't create anything. Also, let's not just restrict to the Iits and AIIMS. The numerous engineering, medical and management institutes set up during esp in South India created the much needed human capital. However, Govt policies of the time discouraged entrepreneurship. Soaring tax rates discouraged foreign investments. The problems only got compounded during the Indira era. At least, Nehru delivered 4% growth. Indira Gandhi crashed it to 2%. The tax rates were upwards of 90%. There was no incentive to work more as it would not have led to higher earnings. Nehruvian Socialism was all about denial. The kind of denial you are exhibiting now. It was a disaster, Hence Congress itself abandoned it and opted for mandated reforms in 1992. The rest is history. PS: Stop ridiculing Pakistan's success (the very little they ever had). They too started with meagre resources. However, the army was inherently self-serving. Hence, it went down the path of capitalism and prospered before Bhutto ruined it. Also, we ourselves were at the mercy of foreign aid and among the US sponsored PL50 program. We would have gone hungry with the American corns.
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