Comments by "Guy Who Likes Ecclesiastes" (@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts) on "Based Camp with Simone & Malcolm Collins"
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It's certainly possible to act in a moral way without religious guidance, the Bible itself says "By their own conscience they are accused, or even excused." Regarding unbelieving gentiles, but one needs to factor in the whole, not just individuals. Over a large population, over a large time frame, which system promotes the most moral behaviour? Which system is best at combating dishonesty, violence and other immoral behaviour? That can be tested empirically. Moreover, I would also point out that multiple people can behave in a way that is outwardly moral, but for different reasons, their moral reasoning is different, just leading to the same conclusion. If a new situation arises, one system might promote immoral bahavior while the other doesn't, even if they agree on another matter.
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Broad idea, please do an episode on Jehovah's Witnesses. We publish realy detailed population statistics, we're extremely evangelistic, we exist everywhere, around the world, continually grow through evangelism, not birth rate, I really struggle to find stats about us not published BY us, since we're pretty small, around 9 million, or 22 million by worldly standards. If you don't know a lot about us, we would probably be a useful data point, at any rate, I would love to learn more about our demographics in a way you are well equiped to do.
Thank you.
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Broad idea, please do an episode on Jehovah's Witnesses. We publish realy detailed population statistics, we're extremely evangelistic, we exist everywhere, around the world, continually grow through evangelism, not birth rate, I really struggle to find stats about us not published BY us, since we're pretty small, around 9 million, or 22 million by worldly standards. If you don't know a lot about us, we would probably be a useful data point, at any rate, I would love to learn more about our demographics in a way you are well equiped to do.
Thank you.
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@tann_man The end of serfdom was not morivated by Christianity, but the end of slavery, based on the horrors of the trans Atlantic slave trade, were motivated by Protestantism. Religious toleration was an accident, and plenty of Atheists have tried to enforce Atheism through violence, and still do to this day, say, in Xinxiang, universal literacy existed in ancient Israel which was a hyper religious theocracy, and modern literacy was again, largely a product of Protestantism. The abolition of serfdom was really an economic inevitability, as technology changed, economic systems needed to do so also.
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Video games are one form of media, theoretically a book, a movie, an oral recitation, a video game or anything else COULD convey a worthwhile moral or educational message, even while being entertaining, but you're right that much in the way of video games are either vapid or immoral. The issue is the content, but then again, as the Jesuit said, the media is the message. There are moral and immoral books, but video games will encourage a different kind of content than books.
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Oh boy... we're all going to have some real wacky dreams tonight. As for me, I used to have a lot of nightmares, then I got really, really Christian, and now I have things that should be nightmares but I'm totally unconcerned. Like, recently I dreamt I was in the bottom of a tower where I had been taken on a historical tour, there were recurring blackouts, and during each blackout a demonic red face appeared and each time drew closer to us, but I was totally unconcerned because I knew I was a Christian zealot and didn't need to fear demons, but I was on the tour with a black grey person, who was an unbeliever, and they wouldn't leave quickly and were just standing in the door, so I was worried about the grey person. That sort of thing is pretty common, though some are very complex and have a pretty reasonable narrative.
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@PanopticonMind in this case, that's missing the point. It's not nessercerily that evolution is flawed, so we should believe in God, it's more that evolutionnis so wildly improbable that you would need a probalistic notable for it to happen. At that point, whether it's evolution or another method, it looks like it shouldn't happen but did. Until we can empirically prove abiogenesis, we can'tknow whether it's possible, but we do know that if it is it probabalistically shouldn't be.
No matter how many layers deep you go as regards causes, you end up at the same place, things are either contingent or non contingent, you can't have only contingent things, so there must be a non contingent thing on which others are contingent, and since the world is ordered not random, that contingency appears designed. That's the meat of the question.
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Perennialists do exactly this, and perennialism and accellerationism are two sides of the same coin. It is a mistake, of course, as you say, relying on human wisdom, and while these two are profoundly wise, it is better to trust wholly in the Bible, for Jehovah is absolute and his wisdom is superior to ours to a degree we cannot comprehend, rather than write your own.
But, if you believe that God will use reason to give new revelation after the Bible, which I don't and it doesn't seem the Bible teaches this, but if you do believe that it makes sense.
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