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Comments by "Ayodeji Olowokere" (@ayodejiolowokere1076) on "What If Rhodesia Survived? | Alternate History" video.

Africa was poorer during colonialism. How exactly is it being destroyed?
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@HonuFlight that's nonsense. Older Africans are the strongest supporters of the ANC. Furthermore, the black middle class was smaller during Apartheid. You either heard wrong and never bothered to fact check, or made all that up.
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Considering they were literally 3-7 percent of the population, and were fighting abducted high school kids, not really.
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@maddoxlacy9072 how does that protracted series of ramblings change the fact no one has the right to rule anyone else without their consent?
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@User_5tjk42gj9 a stable organically organized continent depopulated by a transatlantic slave trade for one. For another thing series of economic systems transformed to triangular trade supply states. Finally, complexes of states and empires juxtaposed into warring and competing entities forced into one state. Put aside the unthinking contempt and you'll be surprised what you learn.
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@gravygraves5112 on account of a city being abandoned you deduce the culture that built it became isolated? And Great Zimbabwe goes back to the 11th century.
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@gravygraves5112 there is no evidence Great Zimbabwe had any more or less contact with Eurasia than their successor cultures. And your statement is nonsensical. Organization into chiefdoms were seen in Europe as recently as the Roman period. You're just making up stuff.
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@cupwasneverhere I have asked a citizen of Zimbabwe in person. He reported they viewed Mugabe as a hero for restoring their land.
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@maddoxlacy9072 you've just acknowledged no one has the right to dispossess anyone of anything. You affirmed my point and dismantled yours.
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@maddoxlacy9072 hijacking the autonomy of a private individual or a group is dispossessing them of natural rights. According to you if someone breaks into your home at gunpoint and forces you to serve him, that is not evil. What nonsense.
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@maddoxlacy9072 in the 19th century, Europe had been operating under Westphalian ideals for close to 300 years. That was the 'game' Europe was 'playing' at the time. You're a teenager, aren't you?
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@maddoxlacy9072 people have the right to organize into groups. People have the right to retain what no one else has claimed. Your argument is simply rights and property do not exist.
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@RealAugustusAutumn you either don't know what a fort is, or what Great Zimbabwe is. Either way, educate yourself.
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@gravygraves5112 and neolithic and iron age are not miscible.
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@gravygraves5112 that's moot on both counts. If there was no contact before or after Great Zimbabwe, then what's the comparison? On the second count, you've just admitted your use of 'neolithic' to describe a level of organization is meaningless since it can be applied even to literate societies based on your standards.
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@gravygraves5112 I stated the settlement had always been relatively isolated. I then stated the political organization was that of chiefdoms which is not akin to band structures seen in neolithic societies.
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@Robob0027 if it was segregated, there was a racialized franchise and there were different areas allotted to different races, does it really matter it was technically different from South African Apartheid?
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@greniermick1402 Smith was racist. No.
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@cupwasneverhere to a settler led segregated state, where half the land was reserved for five percent of the population? No. They don't.
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@cupwasneverhere he implied Mugabe was not popular but he made it clear no one missed Rhodesia.
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@cupwasneverhere the country was already poor and racist. Not much changed except it ended up being ruled by its rightful inhabitants.
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@maddoxlacy9072 nonsense. There were thousands of diverse polities ranging from nation states to theocracies to chiefdoms. No one had the right to impose rule upon them without their consent. Your argument is so absurd even if its premise were true. Because one tyrant did it, another had the right to? Utterly absurd.
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@RudolfStern3399 I don't. It just amuses me a Jew thinks Israel isn't the homeland of the Jews.
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@whyismyricewet1986 so you actually managed to figure out what you said? Good job.
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@RealAugustusAutumn not surprising but somehow still disappointing.
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@nickdarr7328 what nonsense. You should be embarrassed. The indigenous people were agriculturalists.
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This whole channel is like an insane asylum.
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 @nielsmichiels1939 Zulu are Bantu.
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@nielsmichiels1939 what nonsense. The Boer Republics were formed after Xhosa Wars and there were Bantu in the Cape Colony.
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@nielsmichiels1939 dude, stop. Zulu weren't the only Bantu in what is today South Africa. There were Bantu in the Cape Colony you're referring to, and later, the Boer Republics.
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@gravygraves5112 none of what you typed makes any sense.
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@gravygraves5112 I'd really more argue you're not following the train of thought. You are correct about the city being vacated by the 15th century which I misunderstood, but everything else was arbitrary nonsense. Take for example you are claiming late iron age cultures in Central Europe were organized "cave man tier". Meaningless statement.
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@greniermick1402 then recommend it to the British.
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@greniermick1402 Rhodesians were British. If you feel so strongly about that world-view, preach it to Britons not Zimbabweans.
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@greniermick1402 better neither Smith or Mugabe.
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@greniermick1402 he never would have without war.
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@greniermick1402 the war started because of segregation.
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@maddoxlacy9072 that's the case for every country today. Every country and people still retain the right to autonomy. As a matter in fact, that's the case for every individual. You may as well be arguing for theft on the basis that if you don't steal something someone else will. It's an amoral and illogical argument.
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@maddoxlacy9072 and there was so much bad history there, I'm not going to take the time to correct it all.
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@maddoxlacy9072 needless to say, I disagree.
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 @RudolfStern3399 so you think Israel is a European settler state established at the expense of indigenous people?
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@whyismyricewet1986 utterly unsurprising.
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@McKae00 the slave trade was Europeans themselves purchasing Africans. Slavery in Africa ended upon post colonial legislation. This is relevant to any of my claims, how?
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@matejamartin2199 the slave trade started with Europeans looking for slaves for the New World. Africans did not cause that.
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@matejamartin2199 you're not even from the West. Mateja? Stop messaging me.
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@jo9932 Bantu were there before Europeans.
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I doubt that. There would have been clips all over YouTube. What was it called?
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@ciandoyle3315 message your peers.
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@louisvanniekerk2612 nah. They would have been poorer between sanctions and endless civil war.
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@nielsmichiels1939 the Zulu are the very Bantu you're referring to. What on earth, man?
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@nielsmichiels1939 I'm wasting my time with you. Yes, Germans are distant cousins of Germanic peoples. Give me a break.
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@nielsmichiels1939 are you Danish?
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@nielsmichiels1939 Denmark is developed. Education there would be better. Not surprising. Zulu are a Bantu group. Saying they're distant cousins is like saying Danes are distant cousins of Germanic peoples. Furthermore, the ethnogenesis of Zulu took place alongside other Nguni within the country from common ancestors that had been there for centuries before the arrival of the Dutch.
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@nielsmichiels1939 I won't mock you any further and I apologize. However, your comment is outrageous. The Zulu's forbears long pre-date Europeans in Africa. Where are you getting this from?
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@nielsmichiels1939 how can you ask me not to mock you when you make statements like this? The Zulu's ancestors were in what is today South Africa since before the 12th Century. Zulu were in the lands the SAR and Orange Free State would be founded in long before even the Portuguese visited.
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@nielsmichiels1939 instead of arguing blindly, why not just research the demographics of the Cape Colony and Boer Republics?
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@nielsmichiels1939 and it's like saying Dutch people didn't exist during Roman times so the Dutch have no greater claim to the Netherlands than immigrants. It's just odd. You're throwing your integrity out the window with these historically mistaken and bizarre claims.
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@nielsmichiels1939 you're dishonest. You fully understand my point, you're just too conceited to concede a point.
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@nielsmichiels1939 where are you from anyway? And I said, as you know, that there were Bantu in the Cape Colony. I said nothing about Zulu. Furthermore, I can't help but notice how you ignore how the ancestors of the Nguni peoples have always dwelled in what would become South Africa.
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@nielsmichiels1939 you stated Bantu in the region were cleared out by Zulu. They weren't. Zulu were Bantu themselves. The Mfecane only created a no-man's-land buffer. You claimed there weren't any Bantu in the Cape Colony. There were. Furthermore, the Boer Republics had Bantu majorities.
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@nielsmichiels1939 The Zulu were originally a minor clan in what is today Northern KwaZulu-Natal, founded c. 1574 by Zulu kaMalandela. In the Nguni languages, iZulu means heaven or weather.
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@nielsmichiels1939 it's so weird you take issue with being mocked, given how you are.
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@nielsmichiels1939 reading didn't appear to be your strong suit anyway. That's really what the problem is.
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@YoniBaruch-y3m you people are intolerable. The Mfecane occurred before the Boer Wars and British influence in the region. It served its purpose. Assuming you even know what that purpose was.
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@Teppo Tulppu where are you from?
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@Teppo Tulppu somehow I could tell you weren't actually from a country with any minorities.
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 @hstwodrainage.1410 wasn't it segregated?
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@watkinsrory there was no segregation in the US during the 70s.
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@watkinsrory they could vote and move freely move. On what basis were they treated worse?
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@buckodonnghaile4309 yet it's wealthier than it was in '79.
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@feetsniffer1488 Pakistan has nuclear weapons. During Apartheid most people had no power.
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@dulguunjargal1199 if it was stable it wouldn't have been at war. And absolutely no country on earth was wealthier in the 60s. Bar none.
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@dulguunjargal1199 no, thank you. I'd rather not be ruled by aliens. Not for a split second. Especially not aliens that hold you in contempt.
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@mikefish8226 if they expelled them, they would still move forward.
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@mikefish8226 nah. Every single African country is better off than it was under European occupation. And looking at you, Mugabe was justified in the means he used to redeem his own.
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@mikefish8226 no. You're just dishonest.
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@mikefish8226 it was poorer during the 60s. It's wealthier now.
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@mikefish8226 you're the one who stated Africa was poorer then. You should be answering that question regarding yourself.
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@mikefish8226 relatively, it's wealthier. The per capita income is higher even when adjusted to 2023 dollars. A trend seen with urbanization, literacy, life expectancy and infant mortality.
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@mikefish8226 rage some more, boy.
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@mikefish8226 even if that's true how does that change the fact it is wealthier now? All that means is under European rule it was as poor as South Korea was in the aftermath of WWII.
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@mikefish8226 just imagine how incompetent the European rulers were to have countries even worse off than Africa today. But you really have no arguments so I'd stick with insults.
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@mikefish8226 you've stated that because South Korea is wealthier as a ratio compared to Zimbabwe than it was in the 60s, it should be ignored than Zimbabwe is wealthier than Southern Rhodesia ever was on a pound for pound basis. Completely ignoring the UK and US' gap with South Korea have similarly shrunk.
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@mikefish8226 nah. You project often. The question is if you're aware. Common sense and you don't mix.
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@mikefish8226 you fully understand arbitrarily comparing one economy's growth to another's is not a gauge for whether or not that economy is growing. You fully understand everything I'm saying.
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@mikefish8226 yet Africa is far more developed than when Europeans controlled it. And continues to grow despite the mess they left.
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@mikefish8226 I do and so do you.
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@mikefish8226 hahahaha. Oh boy. No more faux arguments? Just straight insults now?
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@cupwasneverhere who in the world would want to be ruled by foreigners? Would you want to ruled by Russians?
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@grailness1085 respectable to the lowest of the low and restored to its rightful masters.
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@grailness1085 it wasn't. Per capita income, urbanization, infant mortality, literacy. Everything is better today.
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@grailness1085 of course, I realize you only support it because you're of the same stock as it's colonizers. But let's keep pretending otherwise.
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@grailness1085 of course, the real reason you support them is obvious. But let's pretend otherwise.
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@grailness1085 oh please.
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 @maddoxlacy9072 why not leave them alone?
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@maddoxlacy9072 you're silly.
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 @whyismyricewet1986 find help before too much time passes.
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@whyismyricewet1986 as one could expect.
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@whyismyricewet1986 can you think of another stupid thing to say?
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@RudolfStern3399 guess that makes you an honest scumbag. Scumbag or not, I can respect honesty and consistency.
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@whyismyricewet1986 that's part of my point, isn't it?
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@RudolfStern3399 yeah so those reverse colonists you're so critical of, have Europe as their homeland? Interesting how unremarkable you characters always turn out to be. Boundless and unyielding hypocrisy.
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@gch8810 there's that stupidity again. There was no one dimension to sub Saharan Africa. It's like saying Europe was a crappy place before the Industrial Revolution. Based on what standards?
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@matejamartin2199 seems like I struck a chord.
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@matejamartin2199 your comment remains incoherent though.
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@chiefslinginbeef3641 yes.
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@johanbarnard3435 all these countries are more developed than they were upon decolonization. Your claim is nonsense.
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@KeynanMatamalaDeBrito compare per capita incomes in Africa from the 60s to today.
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@warlord733 You'd be surprised. Southern Rhodesia was poorer.
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Ehh. Zimbabweans are better off today than in Rhodesian. And why should comfort come at the expense of your land, anyway?
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@mikefish8226 gladly. Life expectancy is higher in Zimbabwe. Literacy is higher as well. Urbanization is higher and infant mortality is down. It is more developed in every way. Fact check me.
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@kevinp.1842 you'd be surprised.
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@mikefish8226 you claimed the quality of living had declined. Whether or not it's the global trend is irrelevant, life has vastly improved. And compare life expectancy in 1979 to today. Zimbabwe is better in every way.
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@lyr1kn156 why?
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@DukeRhodes you're English from England, man.
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@krisinsaigon in Africa, far away from Europe.
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@TheTrashMobileGamer Europeans do also. Do you see segregation being imposed on them?
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@KeynanMatamalaDeBrito Southern Rhodesia was poorer than Zimbabwe.
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@KeynanMatamalaDeBrito you have no idea what would have happened. Your theory is no more valid than saying it would have been poorer.
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@KeynanMatamalaDeBrito yes they would. No one conquers a land to develop it.
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@teutonicmapper case in point. Thank you for demonstrating.
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@tailsprowerfan2729 just as bad. Both redefine history and reality according to ideology.
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@scipioafricanus2 a country that was rejected by the majority of its own population?
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@gch8810 more like your stupidity. You're the same person suggesting segregation does not constitute racist treatment and you think anyone is taking you seriously.
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 @ciandoyle3315 they should have thanked them?
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@patrickwilliamson29 why were Europeans even there?
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@frogfinance4605 then there are no native Germanic people in Europe.
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@frogfinance4605 then there are no native Germanic language speaking people in Western, Central or Northern Europe. Pakistanis and Nigerians have as much of a right to England as the English. This is an important point.
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@colinjenkins1 that had nothing to do with what the original poster described.
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@stuka80 and this is why Mugabe is vindicated.
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