Comments by "Stevie" (@matthewhorizon6050) on "Brendan Schaub's Problem with Jon Jones u0026 USADA" video.
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@hattorihaso2579
"Explain this...the rumor has been floating around from early 2015. If you google it, you'll see articles from January of 2015. How could he duck usada when they didn't begin testing UFC fighters until 7/1/15?"
This is true to a degree, certain commissions were privately hiring USADA, but the UFCs contract w them had not officially started; plus, Jon wouldn't have been involved w any of those at that point. I could be wrong, but I thing Travis Brown and Josh Barrett were the first fighters to be clipped by USADA and Cyborg was immediately tested by them as well. She didn't not pop though.
If you research this topic, you'll find out that Greg Savage from Sherdog was the first and only person to tell the story then Chael heard it and made as though he had talked to someone about it directly (that's completly false) -- it has not been verified by ANYONE.
Go ahead, knock yourself out: find one fighter, coach/trainer, investigative journalist who actually verified this story. It's just a rumour. That said, people will believe what they want, regardless of the evidence before them.
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@francmittelo6731
So essentially you're saying Vitor wasn't that great? He iced about 15 top 10 ranked fighters throughout his career. Plus, he faught for two decades! This is an accomplishment that no fighter has pulled off, other than sloppy heavyweights, literally. Name one non-heavyweight who has faught at a high level for 19 yrs? The answer is NO ONE. The only guy is Randy, but he caught his second wind at heavyweight; hence, my point.
If you take into account his stretch that started after his loss to Hendo to his victory over Hendo, it's a murders row of competition that he crushed. He only lost to Jon and Anderson in that period: that's unbelievable, no?
Don't agree w your logic at all. However, he was a riod freak and jacked on trt through most of it, so it's hard to know how good he really was, but to say that PEDs were of minimal help during his career is utterly rediculous.
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@francmittelo6731
First off, you are entirely inaccurate in saying that steroids have not been proven by science to enhance an individual's physical performance. They absolutely have! You're "lol'ing" me; meanwhile, you're claiming that anabolic steroids do not have the capability to enhance physical performance haha? Are you're fuckin' nuts? You aren't familiar w the physiological and biochemical responses that occur during long-term training, while influenced by PEDs (i.e., quicker muscle regeneration that allows more vigorous training regimens)?
Go to Goggle scholor, EBSCO or any other reliable academic database and you'll find an endless barrage of peer review studies that contradict this crazy suggestion of yours. You're either absolutely INSANE, immersed in pseudo science or take pleasure in being obtuse.
Secondly, you're applying "MMA math" to rationalize why one particular fighter was victorious over another at two different time periods? And Victor headkicked Dan to sleep in the 1st rd of their second fight, so what point Are you making?
Everything that I've stated is grounded in truth and you're generalizing w wild speculative notions, mostly steeped in conjecture.
There's an arrogance about the way you conduct yourself -- it's off putting.
I have no use for this convo. Good night or day, depending upon your whereabouts.
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@whitebuffaloblacksheep
It's weird. In general, Joe is a smart guy and reasonable, but when it comes to Jones he loses sight of reality. And I don't buy for ONE SECOND that he's a shill for the UFC, USADA or any other organization. He simply doesn't need to take on that role, he's fuckin rich.
I think, like a lot of Jones fans, Joe hits the preverbial brick wall of logic when it comes to looking at these array of excuses honestly. In other words, he's simply obstinate about this issue. I get it! I'm a fan of Jon's too; plus, we are from the same town, I work at his old high school, had drinks w him at my buddy's bar "The Belmar Pub" and he crashed his Bentley in front of my ex's apartment. I remember seeing his car smashed into a huge telephone pole/utility pole and thought, wow, that guy must be fucked up! I had no idea it was Jon Jones haha.
Regarding this issue,Joe hits a blind spot in his thinking, everytime he discusses this topic, which we all do from time to time.
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