Comments by "Stevie" (@matthewhorizon6050) on "Joe Rogan u0026 Kamaru Usman Review Askren/Lawler" video.

I support this comment/idea haha. See how legit that choke really was! I'd bet that the Curly Headed Fuck puts him out in that scenario.
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@tartopomme8946 It's a hypathetical scenario. He's pointing out that it would answer the questions surrounding the choke. Don't be so literal.
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@Little lizard, In all honesty, we are discussing semantics: neither of us know exactly what happened. But I agree, in a perfect scenario, Herb should have let it go, but in all fairness to him, his view was impeaded as a result of their positioning against the cage. Herb never saw the thumbs up, but he did see Robbie's arm drop. This fight being called is 100% on Robbie. First off, don't get caught in a choke that restricts you from moving. That never looks good in the eyes of the ref. Secondly, don't drop your arm in a manner that looks like you lost conciousness, if you aren't unconcious. And thirdly, defend the choke! I'm not saying Robbie is some punk -- he's a fuckin nightmare for anyone, but you have to look active when the ref can't see what's going on. I get the fact that relieving the pressure of a choke can be done by dropping an arm and attempting to roll into the choke, but the arm dropped and he did nothing but hold a thumb up while his hand was nearly on the canvas. Bottom line, if you don't want the fight stopped, don't drop your arm and instead, defend the choke by attacking the hands and/or fingers. In all truth, I'm not absolutely confident that he was out, but he damn sure looked like it. He did everything wrong in that moment. Hoping that someone's arms burn out is a bad strategy in a situation like this.
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@tartopomme8946 Yeah, I hear ya. In all reality, it's kind of rediculous to discuss. It would have to be like conducting a duplicate research study -- the attributes of the environment would have to be replicated, exactly. However, the result of the fight will be forever debated, but one thing that everyone agrees on is that Herb should have let it go a few more seconds (but I think it was a goof stoppage w all things concidered -- his position was impeded by the cage -- it limited his view). If Robbie went totally out, Askren-haters would look at Ben differently.
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@beaug6126 You're right, he did hold on for dear life. Luckily for Ben, it was Robbie's neak that he was holding. #watermelonchallenge
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@waynebollentin989 I was on board until you made the comparison to the Khabib-Conor choke scenario. The application and motive of those two chokes are nothing alike. Khabib had him in a neck crank, which isn't a blood or oxygen choke. Neck cranks feel like your neck is gonna break, they're extremely uncomfortable and/or outright painful, depending on the appliers technique. But you'd have to be a fuckin master to restrict an opponents breathing or blood flow w a neck crank.
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@waynebollentin989 Clearly, you know what you're talking about. I was just wondering.
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@littlelizard3483 Reasonable statement. I agree for the most part. But if I were a fighter, I'd much rather be in Ben's shoes than Robbie's. Not technically, and essentially, it helps to look as though you're defending the choke; hence, the reason this fight was stopped. As I said, I realize that sometimes a choke is sinched in tight and there's simply no way of getting out. You have to let muscle fatigue enter into the equation, but as we've seen, this strategy can be problematic. Granted, we don't see scenarios like this a lot, but I can't help but thinking -- strategically -- an effort to show the ref that you're defending the choke by moving or working, even in the slightest manner plays to your advantage. It's just a precautionary measure; a visual if you will, to ensure the fight won't be stopped. Not everyone has the reputation of Brian Ebersole haha. The rematch isn't going to happen, Dana knows better. He can use Ben to promote new matchups and it's great for marketing. He's not going to run the risk of allowing Robbie to potentially buzzsaw through him again. However, in a fair world, yes, a rematch is fair play. Good talk. It can be exhausting arguing w an ignorant fool or total fuckin asdhole. 😉
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@AP 113 To a point, I agree. But let's face it, the question going into this fight was whether Ben could get him to the ground or not; because Robbie's takedown-D is sensational. Although Robbie ragdolled him w that gorilla flip and as Kumaru said, "ran a Mac Truck through his face" it was a grappling-clinch fight, which is precisely what Ben wanted to do. When's the last time you saw Robbie on the ground getting choked? Ben made Robbie fight his fight. Personally, I'd like to see them run it back for Robbie's sake, but I am also interested to see if Ben can do this to other elite fighters. He's always claimed that he can beat anyone without striking -- one down -- who is next?
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