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Comments by "Jonathan Dibbern" (@jonathandibbern6048) on "He Made Sure Police Recorded His Crime" video.
He absoutely did. The dude was gearing up to fight which creates an exigent circumstance
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No he didn’t. He responded with a apprioprate force to the multiple counts of assult on a Leo the fat guy commited
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@Awaken1YT the dude was gearing up to fight and was in the officers face when the officer pushed him than went in the garage. He had every right to go in
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They had the right to be there they had the right to talk to and make sure he couldn’t go anywhere. You can think there agressive but there legally correct
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@markmahurin8891 I don’t agree they provoked him. He was amped before the cop came up. that came honestly had every right to detain him when he walked up bc of how he was acting. The only thing he may have done wrong is he let it go on too long. But even if a cop who has a right to be there gets close to you you don’t have the right to resist in a violent manner or an assultive manner
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@markmahurin8891 so the female cop touched him because he was aggressively pointing past the male cop after alreadinvbdoing things you can reasonable argue are assult on a police officer. He squared up to the male cop who than pushed him back. Before both of those actions he was loud and agressive. They had the right to touch him both times and they have all the right in the world to be on property so what would a lawyer do?
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@markmahurin8891 your ignoring Like two assaults on a Leo and him getting into the officers face and squaring up before the male officer pushed him. Which he absoutely could do. I want you to watch it again and look who moved into whose space when the officer pushed him. Really watch it. If you do I don’t think you’ll be able to make the cornering argument. He wasn’t corned into after the push and the push came because of the two assaults
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@markmahurin8891 so he absolutely had a right to claim to claim he was trying to barricade. The fact it wasn’t a good attempt is irrelevant to it being an attempt. The cop again had a right to threaten arrest for obstruction at that point. You again can’t respond with an assault which is what the guy did by squaring up screaming and than getting in the cops face. Did you notice that the guy walked up on the cop and now your changing your story bc originally you argued they corned him but that doesn’t work if he was doing things to make his space smaller by first trying to put a barrier between him and the cop than by walking into the cops space
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@markmahurin8891 the man walked into the officer space and as the officer was telling him don’t do that he changed his mind and pushed him back to create space. The assult had already happened so he had the right to move him back. I’d actually say the first assult was when the dude stepped backed and pulled up his shorts moving like he wanted to fight. So your ignoring a lot of build up before the officer touched him. Again with the chair an attempt to barricade is a crime even if it’s a bad attempt
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@markmahurin8891 so first an assult isn’t an attack. It’s a threatening motion that puts someone in fear of bodily harm. So when you pull up your shorts and move like your squaring up it’s reasonable to assume he’s going to fight. That’s an assult. You don’t have to attack someone to assult them you need to put them in fear. That officer didn’t step into the garage until after the guy got in his face. There’s nothing that could get this case thrown out based on the officers actions. The guy provoked a reaction. The cop could’ve put him in cuffs the first time he squared up or obstructed. He gave him multiple chances than the guy assaulted him so he pushed him back. The male cop didn’t touch him first and even the first touch from the female was warranted bc of how he was pointing and yelling
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@jackhenry290 they can’t they have to determine if it’s just an argument or if a bigger domestic issue happened and they have to prevent a situation happening when they leave. Considering the dude wanted to fight the cop for giving him lawful orders like don’t put stuff between us it’s likely he would want ro get in another fight that day
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They were called and invited over to the house. They didn’t just appear. That’s not overreach that’s responding to a call for help. That’s what your want the government to do. It only sucks if your the one causing a problem
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@Awaken1YT when he’s worried about officer safety bc the guys showing signs he wants to fight and there at the seem for a domestic he absoutely does. That’s almost the text book defination of an exigent circumstance.
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They have permission to be there bc the girlfriend called them. They don’t need his permission. Once he commits assult which he did a few times they no longer need a warrant
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You say agressive I say the male cop took control. De escalate doesn’t mean let the suspect just do what he wants. He needed to talk to the guy the guy didn’t want to than started committing assult. It goes down hill from there
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@maynardsrevenge he doesn’t have to talk he does have to follow police commands like not to put something between them. They enter the house after he makes a threatening action that changes them needing a warrant
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@maynardsrevenge his attidude and getting in the cops face is an exigent circumstance all day. Also cops being able to see him doesn’t stop the safety concern of him going to get a weapon. It’s irrelevant though bc the dude was commiting a crime and the cops had been called to the scene.
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So you’ve never heard of an assult charge. Also if someone blows smoke on you that’s a battery. You should google assult though it’s a crime where someone gets into your face aggressively but never touches you
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@lilpenguin092 what rights was he standing up for?
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There not they have pc a crime they need to investigate
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@sekkuar with what we call exigent circumstances like say your worried the guy is gonna fight you absoutely you can. And on domestic calls the worry that the person may be dangerous goes up which allow police to enter. That’s all before we go through the fact we don’t know who called and said they could be there or who called in a compliment giving them pc to be there. So your absoutely wronv
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@sekkuar exigent circumstances arnt just those where you see a crime. It’s one where you reasonable believe someone is in danger. There allowed in the drive way while investigating exspecially if a home owner called him. Than the male cop said let’s talk over here they walked over to the garage and than the guys actions could reasonably put the male cop in danger which is an exigent circumstance. At that point he no longer needs to leave
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@sekkuar also the wife girlfriend clearly wanted police there if she called them over that’s enough of an invite. So no if there called there for an incident which it’s clear they were he’s not tresspassing.
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In no world would he get out of those charges. The male cop had the right to give the orders he did and to push the guy away from him
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I mean your right he didn’t batter the officer till the officer defended himself but he commited two acts of assult before the male cop pushed him out of his space which he’s completely allowed to do
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What assault on civilians?
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@maynardsrevenge the cop only touches him after the guy has commited a crime. That changes him needing a warrant. The guy commits assault in a Leo atleast twice before that which changes the situation. Also it would be battery bc he actually touches him not assult
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@maynardsrevenge the cop can touch him to back him up which is what he did. The dude had commited assult on a Leo atleast twice before that and obstruction. The cop doesn’t have to articulate it to him on scene for that charge to be valid. He told the guy to stop coming close the dude got close that’s when the officer first touched him. The dude looked ready to fight and smacked the officers hand which is battery. So your wrong
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@maynardsrevenge I don’t know why you cited that push back when the dude was clearly getting into the officers face you’d have a better argument from the one before that. There both wrong bc the officer is allowed to push him out of his face and allowed to be on scene bc of the call the wife/girlfriend made
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He did not step back before the cop pushed him that’s just straight up not true. By the time he was pushed he had commited two seperate assault on a Leo’s and an obstruction charge
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