Comments by "Sar Jim" (@sarjim4381) on "CharlieBo313"
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All of those streets used to be densely packed with houses, apartments, stores, schools, churches, factories, all the things needed for people to earn a living and have a decent life. Between the tremendous increase of industrial output from the auto factories and two world wars, Detroit had to constantly annex more land and open up new areas for residential and industrial development. The population rose in an almost unbroken line from 993,000 in 1920 to about 1.9 million in 1955. It was a city of wealth almost beyond compare, second only to New York City. Since then, the population has declined an an equally unbroken line to the 670,000 of today. Detroit has all that vacant land because it's a city that was built to hold almost three times more people than it does today.
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Almost all the newer looking abandoned houses were part of North Pointe Village, a project in Highland Park started in 2005 that was going to revitalize the city. There were going to be 153 factory built homes built with government and (supposedly) private money from various agencies and financiers. The project was plagued from the start with corruption, mismanagement, and no one seeming to understand the housing market in HIghland park or Detroit. The houses were poorly built and assembled, were all around 1100 square feet, and were supposed to sell for between $135,000 and $155,000. No houses of that size were going to sell for those prices in Highland Park. The project was financed by a guy named (((Aryeh Schottenstein))). He was on parole for mortgage fraud from federal prison while he was supposed to be financing these new homes. He is a liar and a thief. He was helped along by Fred Durhal, a state representative and feeder at the public trough who has managed to avoid prison while being elected to the state house in 2014 to succeed his father, who had served three terms before him. He received 94.8% of the votes, and this was long after his role in North Pointe was made public. Voters who live in a district and can't recognize mismanagement and thievery are pretty much doomed from the start.
The houses were so poorly constructed that many didn't have back doors, and those that did had the door open onto a three food drop with no stairs. Basements regularly flooded, and the sump pumps were installed in such a way that they pumped the water back into the basement. Windows fell out of the houses, and the substandard aluminum wiring regularly caught on fire. As we can see from your video, not only did they not have garages, they didn't even have driveways that extended beyond the front porch. Art Blackwell, the emergency manager for Highland Park at the time, and since convicted of fraud and mismanagement of city funds, was also part of this criminal conspiracy. Loans were made with no money down to people who couldn't afford the mortgage payments. Despite promises by Blackwell to provide security to the vacant houses waiting to sell, scrappers were breaking into the homes within the first week and stealing everything from the appliances to the plumbing. Those homes rapidly became unsaleable and were boarded up. People who thought they were moving into a nice neighborhood found themselves in area with no streetlights, vacant homes, and an increasing amount of arson fires. Almost everyone who bought a home left within the first year, mostly because the home was going to be foreclosed anyway. It was a disaster almost all the way around, and, except for the few occupied homes, they are all being demolished. Its the same old Detroit story - corrupt Democratic politicians, financial managers that were thieves and couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag, and fraud by criminals way smarter than the those from the state and city who supposed to oversee the project. Detroit and Highland Park will never come back if we can't do better than this.
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Robin John Depends on the definition of "thriving", of course, but the Detroit Riots of 1967 are generally a convenient dividing line. Before the riots, average incomes were still high and there hadn't been any sustained decrease in population numbers. After the riots, the middle class, black and white alike, fled in increasing numbers, and population and incomes began their inexorable declines to the numbers of today. Whites as a percentage of the population in 1967 weren't as high as many people probably think they were, with non-Hispanic whites making up about 55% of the population. Interestingly, blacks as an absolute number of Detroit's population has barely changed since 1967. There were about 660,000 blacks then and about 608,000 blacks today. The difference was many more whites than blacks could afford to leave, so rather than becoming more black, it's really just become less white.
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No, I meant 40 years ago. Detroit still had 1.2 million people, down from its 1950 peak of 1.8 million, but about equidistant from the decline setting starting to set in and the total collapse we see now. Detroit is now at 672,000, almost exactly half of the 1980 population. Detroit (and many other Rust Belt cities) still had a lot of nice neighborhoods, and people could still live decent lives. A lot of people seem to think Detroit was a good place to live only in the far distant past. Like any large city in 1980, Detroit had its problems, but it wasn't bankrupt, wasn't half vacant, and wasn't leading the list of cities with the worst crime rates. Detroit really falling off the cliff started in 1980, not 60, 80, or 100 years ago.
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Hard to imagine that Gary was still a thriving city of 179,000 and 84% non-Hispanic white in 1950. The estimate is Gary was down to 75,000 in 2018 and about 5% of those remaining are non-Hispanic white. Detroit had a population 1,879,000 in 195o with 83.6% of those being non-Hispanic white. By 2018, it was down to 672,000, and the non-Hispanic white population had decreased to about 6%. Back in 2000, Gary had the largest percentage of black residents of any city over 100,000. Since Gary has now fallen considerably below 100,000, Detroit has gained the number one spot. Both cities had massive population declines between 2000 and 2010. Gary lost about 22% of its population then, but Detroit got top honors, with 25% of the population fleeing. Both cities have been vying for the number one spot in fastest population decline and highest murder rate. Both cities have about one-third of all structures vacant and abandoned.
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@Wëpälkatar We live in a world with less poverty, better education, more political freedom, fewer wars, and generally better housing than at any time in human history. Before the coronavirus hit, more people were employed than at any time in history. Yes, not everyone shares equally, and some people will always suffer regardless of what system we live in, but, in general, all of us as a general rule are much better off than we've ever been. We have the ability to communicate with people almost anywhere in the world. Many have electricity, clean water, and generally have access to healthcare that has never been better at any time in our history. Most people have access to some form of transport, and many, even in the second world, own a car. That allows us to live and work almost anywhere we choose. What time in human history would you rather live in? If there's not such a time, stop whining and start making things better for those who don't have all the things you have.
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huey.p. newton He "stood for his kind"? The kind that get in shootouts, murders a cop, embezzled money from his own organization, shot and killed a woman, pistol whipped his own tailor, thought the totalitarian regimes of China and North Korea were examples to the US, fled to Cuba rather than face charges for the killing and assault, and then returned only after arranging to have the eyewitness to his murder killed. His gang members botched the assassination, going to the wrong house. It turned out it was a heavily armed member of a rival gang. He returned fire, killing one of the assassins and driving off the other two. Newton then decided to add to his body count, ordering the two assassins whacked. His boys botched that one too, shooting one of them three times in the back, not killing him, but paralyzing him from the waist down, and burying him in a shallow grave outside Las Vegas. Two park rangers, looking for an unrelated missing person, ran across what was supposed to be is grave, pulled him out, and got him to a hospital in enough time to save his life. When his tailor testified in the assault trial, he kind of "forgot" who pistol whipped him, and Huey was aquitted. Amazingly, after this killing rampage against other witnesses against Newton, the key witness against Newton for the murder of the 17 year old girl refused to testify. It was ten years later, after deciding that Newton knew too much and might be talking to the cops, that Tyrone was recruited to kill him and, for once, an assassination attempt succeeded. You mean the kind of guy who stood for his people...except the ones he killed or ordered killed? That guy? Like I said, your screen name tells me something about you.
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Jay and Tom, there's no doubt blacks were discriminated against for jobs and housing in the past. However, 1964 and 1968 are now 50 years in the past. Two generations had been born and grown up during that period. These same people continue to elect corrupt, incompetent mayors because they happen to be of the same race as the vast majority of Detroit voters. Kwame Kilpatrick, quite possibly the worst mayor of any American city, was elected twice while he was stealing millions from a city spiraling into bankruptcy. He's now spending 28 years in prison for his crimes, but Detroit will never see the vast majority of that money back again. He was stealing tens of millions at a time when Detroit couldn't afford to repair their ambulances because of his theft. Still, he was reelected by appealing to the tired old saw that Detroit's condition was the fault of whites.
Detroit seems to be moving beyond it's mantle of black racism by electing a white mayor. I hope he will be able to start Detroit on a better path, but allegations of bid rigging in demolishing some of Detroit's worst abandoned homes are already surfacing. He is attracting billions of new dollars into the city. Mostly white individuals, foundations, and companies are pouring billions into the city. It's going to take the approximately 85% of Detroit's black residents to finally get involved with how money in their city is spent and elect people who are honest and understand business, regardless of race. This is probably Detroit's best chance since 1960 to become a great city again. If it doesn't work, Detroit is doomed.
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Dang. Unless I missed it, not a single boarded up house, and some of the public housing looked better than the apartments here. No clumps of urban "yutes" blocking the streets, and no swathes of urban prairie. The demographics tell the tale. The population is 40% white, 40% black, and 20% all other races, including 7.5% non-white hispanics. While Detroit lost 25% of its population between 2000 and 2010, Greensboro clocked a gain of 21%. The percent of households with a family but no husband present was 16% in Greensboro in 2010. The figure for Detroit was 31.5%. Greensboro has 22.7% of its population under 18 while it's 31.1% in Detroit. The median family income in Greensboro is $41,628 while it's 25,787 in Detroit. The percent of those employed or actively looking for work in Detroit is 53.4% while it's 68.8% in Greensboro. It's a good demonstration once again that the way to stay out of poverty is graduate high school, get a job, don't have kids until you're married, and do your best to stay married, at least until the kids are out of high school.
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@bkbrown7489 Ah, yes, the urban version "We wuz Kangs!" It'/s also possible black babies were poisoned by space aliens, or that Catholic nuns were poisoning the water. I have just as much proof for those statements as you have for yours. Liquor stores in black areas would go out of business without customers. Drug dealers would go out of business without customers.
The hood would begin to improve if people spent time getting their GED or or going to trade schools instead of sitting on the stoop with a 40 or waiting for the other deliveries of, and using, substances that are also poison. The hood would begin to improve if lack men developed some responsibility at stopped laying down with every thicc hoe that walked by. The hood would begin to improve if black women stopped laying down with every bad boi that walked by. The hood would begin to improve if black people got married and waited to have children until they were. The hood would begin to improve if strong families were instrumental in improving schools and making sure that their kids went to school and weren't carrying knives and guns. Places like Detroit and Gary have over 40% of households led by single, primarily black women. You can't have strong families and kids with a future with those kinds of numbers. Stop pining away for the days of Black Wall Street. Most of those ended 100 years ago. If you think resegregation is the answer, place like Detroit and Gary, with 80%+ black populations and nearly 100% black political leadership should be thriving. With few exceptions, majority black large cities are disasters. Work on what can be done today, not what should have been done in 1920.
Stop waiting for the while savior to fix all your problems. They have been "fixing" things since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the beginning of the "Great Society" in the same time period. It's now 55 years later. Do you think things have gotten better or worse? Do you think another dump truck load of money dropped off at the feet of leaders like Kwame Kilpatrick will make things better or worse?
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@silversword4428 Well, I knew someone like you would show up. You call squatting in burned out houses or ones with no paint, no electricity and infested with rats and other vermin "affordable housing"? I'm certain there are subsidized rents for some the poor people still there. The working poor can get by with that safety net. People who are disabled for some reason and can't work also have social programs to house them. When it comes to those who refuse to work, rob, steal, deal drugs, mug people, do home invasions, and make responsible people feel so afraid they leave then, yeah, they can become homeless. Maybe some time on the street will help reorient their way of thinking to become less predatory.
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@ericsean6693 I've never heard of a public street called a private street. A driveway is a private street. That tells me you don't know much about streets. The actual amount of money being spent this year on repaving is $58 million. It's all coming from bond funds. Amazon, Google, and Dan Gilbert have nothing to do with it. The project plan, which is available at the Detroit DPW site, calls for the repaving of 58 miles of residential streets in 2018. They don't show how complete that is.on the plan. Detroit has about 1900 miles of residential streets. In my understanding of math, 58/1900 is 3% of all residential streets, not your clearly ridiculous figure of repaving 60% of them. There's also no half billion fund of mysterious street paving money that I can find. If you say it's true, provide a link. Even if that fund really existed, it wouldn't be anywhere near close to enough. Based on what's already been estimated, it would cost at least $1.3 billion to repave 90% of the residential streets, and that's assuming no cost overruns, something extremely unlikely in Detroit. I won't even get into your made up figure of the number of houses demolished.
Detroit can't even plow residential streets. Their own snow clearance plan is that the city won't even attempt to plow a residential street unless at least six inches of snow has fallen. Less than six inches and you're on your own. They don't even have to start until the snow has "substantially stopped falling", a neat set of weasel words. Even if they get to your street, the contractors (who do all the residential plowing) are only required to plow a 10 foot wide strip down the middle of the street, not actually plow the street as a non-Detroiter would think of a plowed street. Good luck getting out of your driveway after a foot of snow and trying to reach that 10 foot strip.
Maybe you're just a big Detroit booster that thinks repeating "Dan Gilbert" like some kind of mantra that will convince people Detroit is really on the rise. Maybe you're just a Detroit troll that pulls numbers out of your ass and sees if anyone bites. Whichever it is, stop it. This is the internet. It's too easy to check so-called facts. Lying about Detroit doesn't help Detroit.
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